The Exit Polls Autopsy

It's probably the immigration issues.

This is purely my assessment, which I do not recommend you taking to the bank, but:

Gen X is the last pre-internet generation, has lost the spotlight to highly announced Millenials and Z (and now Alpha), and have had to deal with a LOT of change that has been foisted upon them. Most of us have had to really work hard to change careers as technology changed several industries, watched our parents get laid off in the 80's, and the job-for-life culture disappear. We weren't trained for this, so i can see why people want to pull things back a bit and shy from progressivism. We're nearing retirement, lots of us haven't saved, and we watched house prices skyrocket while wages stagnated. It wasn't just the Millenials that got this, and Gen X got no airtime as the credit crunch shattered many dreams.

Gen Xer here and r2 I agree.

I thought when the boomers died. MAGA was done. Maybe Gen Z will save us.

Fuck Gen X.

There should be no more whining about Boomers. This is all Gen X.

It’s funny for all the ink that gets spilled about MAGA gays, LGBT are second only to Black Women when it comes to voting D at 86%

Gen X should NEVER be president.

Trans, crime, the border, the economy, wokeism. The end.

Based on this. Trump won every age group of men, including Gen Z. "Gen Z will save us" is just dumb.

Gen X was always conservative. Growing up in the 1970-80s, homophobia and racism were rampant. We grew up during the Reagan era. There was a strong anti-gay mood in the country during our teen and college years because of aids.

Thats why so many of us are bewildered why so many in your generation think you're all that, R10? You all think you're so cool, so superior.

It's a fucking act, r11. Our parents left us very alone to figure shit out for ourselves, and my opinion is that it led to a lot of insecurity and "fake it til' you make it". Remember Latch Key kids?

I wish they'd ask gay, lesbian, bi, and transgender separately. I've come across more gay MAGAts than lesbian or trans MAGAts.

R12 yeah Ive always known your "whatever, we are so tough" was nothing more than posturing.

Yours is a deeply fucked up generation that could benefit from the therapy they are crying out for.

[quote]Trans, crime, the border, the economy, wokeism. The end.

This, and the men of most ages just weren't going to vote for Harris.

There aren't that many trans people. They just have a massive floodlight on them right now.

Gen Xers like me came up under Reaganism and most of us are rightwing shitstains.

You can relax now, r8, Trump won.

This also shows that basically there was no difference in the crossover vote between the two parties. Liz Cheney and others were not representative of anything real going on in the country.

That's why I dated younger boomers until my mid-30's. Part of it was me being around the HIV/AIDS crisis a little more than my generational peers, and I couldn't stand the petty bullshit when there were far bigger issues to handle than finding your next pack of Parliaments.

Millennials turned out for Kamala.

Veterans went for Trump. He was right about them being suckers, huh?

I hope Turd sends their kids to help Bibi turn Gaza into the Israeli Riviera.

Meanwhile, Donald Trump won young men by 10 points, flipping them from Biden. And for the first time in decades, Republicans won young white voters outright. Young voters went MAGA.

R24 dont try your tricks and blame young people for this mess.

This was ALL GEN X.

[quote] Veterans went for Trump. He was right about them being suckers, huh?

This is what pisses me off. My late father was a Vietnam Veteran. He hated Trump. He passed away last year and a part of me is sort of glad at least he's not here to see Trump get another term. I know that sounds weird, but I'm just upset for various reasons.

Gen Zis not going to save the world as predicted. White voters 18-29 went for Trump. Boomers went 50/50 for Trump so they aren't responsibile for this disaster at all.

I have never in my life needed more proof that Millennials need to smash Gen X down than I do today.

R19 Yesterday afternoon they were suggesting she's get 17% of Republicans. LOL How innocent were we 24 hours ago.

[quote] Gen Zis not going to save the world as predicted

Fuck Around and Find Out might come into play for the Gen Zs if they end up negatively effected by abortion bans

Can't believe Exit Polls. People purposefully give wrong info to throw off the results.

Gen X is out-populated by the Millenials and Gen Z. Blaming this on just Gen X is a futile exercise at best. Boomers also played a huge part in this election.

Ron Filipkowski from Meidas Touch has a very good and clear eyed autopsy. Worth a read if you have the stomach for it

Financial stresses certainly played a role. The cost of housing. The cost of education. Retirement concerns. I also think immigration is an issue that the Democrats have yet to address in a way that "works" for "non woke" people. The election was a massive repudiation of Democrats in general and Biden in particular--fair or unfair. I do think, however, that Trump's economic policies will only worsen the sorrows of our mature capitalist system. Want to see inflation get really really bad? Tariffs and massive deportation of migrants!

Trump Voters DO NOT participate in polls. That was one of the lessons of 2016.

On the bright side, when he tries to put through his agenda he will most likely just fuck it up, like building a wall plus he will be surrounded by grifters who will do him no favors. Plus he's too fucking lazy. And of course blue states have very aggressive AGs who will most certainly try to throw a wrench into anything he tries.

[quote] There aren't that many trans people.

You wouldn’t know it thanks to Democrats, the media, and jobs where you now have to announce your pronouns, even in emails. They demand to be recognized and language be changed to suit their delusional. Biden turned us into birthing people who do chest feeding. This shit has consequences.

[quote] Gen X is out-populated by the Millenials and Gen Z.

Millennials are bigger than both and are bigger than Boomers now. They will be making all future decisions. Zoomers will barely make it past 35. They’re hopeless.

[quote] On the bright side, when he tries to put through his agenda he will most likely just fuck it up, like building a wall plus he will be surrounded by grifters who will do him no favors. Plus he's too fucking lazy. And of course blue states have very aggressive AGs who will most certainly try to throw a wrench into anything he tries.

I can some kind of power struggle/infighting happening between Bezos, Musk, and Thiel.

R18, he’s basically a Trump zombie. He never stops with the Trumpist version of BRAINS, BRAINS

R37 Bernie Moreno (in Ohio) ran endless Anti-Trans commercials and beat Sherrod Brown.....Moereno Tag Line = "Sherrod Brown is for They/Them. Not US". And it worked in Ohio. Also there is a lot of anger in Ohio over how Biden (and Buttigieg) handled the East Palestine train wreck mess. Both promised to return. Neither did. Buttigieg refused to answer questions from local Ohio reporters (one of whom was an older female anchor in Columbus). He would only take questions from the national press who traveled with him to Ohio. Not a good look.

You buried the lede to fit your own bigoted aims. The trans ads were an accessory to the East Palestine main course. What a twisted asshole you are to try and shove this "trans ruins everything" narrative. If we go by your logic, Bill Clinton and John Kerry should have stayed away from us. You're not just disingenuous, you're dumb.

R42 = You sound loony....I didn't say "trans ruin everything".....I said-----because maybe people NOT in Ohio don't know---that Moreno went after Sherrod Brown over the Trans Issue. It was a major campaign issue. That's 100% true. Buttigieg and Biden mishandled East Palestine. 100% true. Get help.

Take your ad homimem hate and find a museum to live in. You are a hateful relic and just let me clear argument sit there. You have NOTHING.

R44 Something is wrong with you girl. Get help. People like you embolden others to vote against them. Just ask Kamala or Hillary. Don't be so abrasive. We are all in this Trump 2.0 together.

For many, who were Dems and level headed, its a combination of economy and the extreme progressive agenda being rammed down peoples throats, a forced and legalised suspension of beliefs. When a 16 yo pulls you up for not using the correct pronouns, you know something is broken.

In 2028 Dems better run a white male for president. I'm sorry to say this, but no more women for now.

Ignorance and hate. I’m sorry, I’m that demographic and I’m shocked

White women are dumb again. Notice how elderly black people almost voted for the democrats 100%. Because they remember being treated like second class citizens

I just can’t stand anymore how Jack Tapper insists continually on pronouncing the word “down” as “dayyyowwn.” Stop!

[quote]Ron Filipkowski from Meidas Touch has a very good and clear eyed autopsy. Worth a read if you have the stomach for it

I agree with a lot Ron wrote. But, I disagree with his take on some of the current Dem governors

[quote]While we have many bright lights in Congress to give us hope, to me the greatest constellation of future talent is with Democratic governors. I believe that our next president is going to come from one of them, and they are well positioned to appeal to the voters we lost since 2024.

[quote] Just look at the talent among the youngish current governors: Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Andy Beshear, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, Jared Polis, and others. Two of these teamed up on a 2028 ticket would be very formidable, and can bring new ideas and a fresh approach. I also believe that Kamala Harris will join their ranks as Governor of California in 2026.

Josh Shapiro is Jewish and Jared Polis is gay. Neither one can get elected in the US because of conservative Christians and Christian Nationalists. The US clearly doesn't want a female president so Gretchen Whitmer is out of the question and it kills me to say that because I love Big Gretch. Newsom doesn't have the ability to win over midwestern voters. Maybe, an Andy Beshear/Wes Moore ticket could win in 2028.

R38 THANK GOD millennials outnumber Gen X.

We will MAKE SURE to counter block these MAGA turds moving forward.

I've said this before several times on DL, but the Dems need to fucking drop AOC as their poster girl. They need to focus on moderate Dem women who can possibly win over men.

I have been SCREAMING from the rooftops about how much more terrible Gen X is than baby boomers but nobody listens!!!

Maybe now they will?

OH god, it really is tea cake.

He won males of all ages. But it’s clear that white Males are by far his greatest supporters.

Also 42% of voters consider themselves moderates, 34% conservatives and only 23% liberals.

That was an election where too many liberals decided to just not vote, probably because of the Israel - Palestine war.

[quote]That was an election where too many liberals decided to just not vote, probably because of the Israel - Palestine war.

And that's about to work out so very well for them. *eye roll emoji*

People don't take Dump seriously. If the Heritage foundation has been trying to takeover the government since the 1970's, why didn't they infiltrate during Dump's first term? The problem is that he's already been potus, and though he's boorish, embarrassing, stupid, etc., nothing truly catastrophic happened. Most of his supporters blow off most of what he says, and are just hoping for that stupid wall. Americans are undereducated and stressed out, and not constantly dissecting every news blurb. That's all I've got.

Covid was not truly catastrophic?

I studied voter behavior for a number of years as part of my job. The Economy is a winner to use against any incumbent. It doesn't matter whether it is good or bad, or what the rate of inflation is, or unemployment, or interest rates. Voters are always worried about the economy. And they believe saying so makes them appear smart. But everyone things everything is "too expensive" and everyone is always worried about job security. So it is easy to exploit. No one ever wants to hear you the candidate say that things are really going well and getting better all the time. So if you're ever lookiong for an issue to run on, the economy, inflation jobs security, etc.are winners. The other thing to run on is Crime. Now most people are not crime victims. But it is the fear of possibly becoming a crime victim that sends them screaming. So crime is good. And give them an enemy. Immigrants is a great enemy. Scary, menacing and illegal! The other thing is to make sure you threaten children. Their safety, security and the books they read. Anything that makes you feel like you're losing control of them.

Fuck. And I’m 45-64

Just, fuck

It's going to be embarrassing for Hillary and Kamala to both be at Trumps next Inauguration in January. I can't wrap my head around that.

Fuck people your age, R61.

How are you worse than 65 and older?

I was pleased to see that gay people voted for Kamala 86% Our percentage was higher than almost any other group except for black people over the age of 65. We saw through the bullshit. But as a group, we are better educated and, as an oppressed minority, we understand that the modus-operandi of Republicans is to scapegoat rather than to acknowledge failings. We have been and will probably always be on their chopping block whenever they need someone to blame. Two (2!) people who were in prison received trans surgery, and out of this event, the Republicans ran 41% of their advertisements. No intelligent person can see anything in this other than scapegoating. Most of us here are not trans, nor do we understand trans people any better than non-gay people. But we understand oppression and we can be empathetic to people experiencing it. There will undoubtedly be attacks upon gay people in the upcoming Republican years, and we'd better start girding our loins for it.

R64 = That was an EXIT POLL by NBC News. Not scientific at all. Trump Gays are not going to exit poll. Sadly I know many gays who voted Trump. My ex became a MAGA back in 2015. He believes every MAGA theory. He used to send me pages and pages of their rhetoric.

And yet I wonder why 20 MILLION Joe Biden voters stayed home?

I find it very hard to believe that 15-20 million Biden voters stayed home because of Gaza while Trump increased his support everywhere after all that he did - the violent rhetoric, the threats, the enemies within, the rambling, the dancing, Springfield. But maybe that is us. Maybe we have Dems who won’t come out until the candidate is perfection and reflects their views 100%, while men and rural voters want Trumps cruelty and will come out to vote.

The young baby boomers and older Gen X demographic are the worst.

[quote]I find it very hard to believe that 15-20 million Biden voters stayed home because of Gaza while Trump increased his support everywhere after all that he did

I read an Atlantic article this morning about what went down in PA & the article interviewed voters who didn't vote or voted some Green Party bullshit because of her support of Israel. You don't like Biden's position - I get it - but that miserable fuck Trump will back Bibi all the way and start a larger war with Iran, is that really what you want? Because that's essentially what you just voted for! Just the stupidity & short-sightedness of some people - good god!

Yes the protest voters will have so much blood on their hands when Bibi wipes out Gaza and puts up a Trump hotel. And when more Ukrainians are killed or displaced. Trump will not extended temporary protection to those people who may flee so they’ve done a really terrible thing while feeling smugly moral.

R4 Gen Z is more conservative than the last 2 previous generations were at their age. Good luck with that. Lol

Meanwhile millenials are being ignored, they were always super blue and yet Kamala beat Trump by a measly 1% in their demo....why are people ignoring this lol

In the 18-29 year old age bracket in 2016 (for the most part, milenials) , 55% voted blue, vs 36% that voted red. Now those milenials voted 49% blue vs 48%. Milenials went red FAST. A 12% gain from republicans.

Compare that to 2024, 18-29 year olds of now (Gen Z), voted 54% blue to 43% red......they are still blue, but the difference is much smaller than it was with millenials.

The big divider is economic class not age, gender or race. When the Dems figure that out, they’ll start winning again.

R73 I would argue gender is a big divider too.

r66, that is the part I just don't get

What is CRAZY is how red the under 50k a year demo went this election. In 2016 it voted for Clinton with a 12% of difference between Trump. In 2024, it went 3% in favor of Trump. People have been warning democrats since 2016 about how democrats were losing touch with the working class, and, yeah, it happened. The post covid economy and the pandering to extreme and kooky woke pushers just pushed it even harder.

Also in 2016, people making 100k or more a year were evenly split with Clinton and Trump at 47%. In 2024 Harris beat out out Trump by 5%. Democrats are officially the party for the wealthy now. The elite.

The working class were fed lies. Lies about the economy, lies about immigration, lies about trans kids. If they buy the lies, what can one do?

R77 where they though? Or were they neglected? Were they or did dems chose to pander to upper middle class white college kids who are interested in all various forms of genders, or upper middle class women with an axe to grind against men, instead of towards the lower class who don't have TIME for their first world problems?

r67, which is why Biden won in 2020. Old white dudes get shit done.

But the billionaire class has changed things, I am looking at Pritzker more and more.

Please, JB, get on Montero for the sake of us all.

[quote] OH god, it really is tea cake.

Yes. He’s the I Hate Gen X Troll.

Infiltrates every thread, like Teacake.

Wildly stereotypical, like Teacake.

Starts threads with brief yet incendiary text, like Teacake.

Apparently is on DL all day, like Teacake.

He’s likely borderline and needs attention desperately. Unfortunately, this new character has zero dimension or motivation. Just bile.

So boring.

Like Teacake.

[quote]Our parents left us very alone to figure shit out for ourselves

r12 I believe it. My Gen X mom was so ignored by her parents she ended up getting knocked up with me by a parolee when she was barely out of high school. That's what a lack of parental supervision gets you. Ex-con offspring and presidents.

[quote] It's going to be embarrassing for Hillary and Kamala to both be at Trumps next Inauguration in January. I can't wrap my head around that.

They shouldn’t go. He didn’t go to Biden’s. Why should they suffer through that?

He’s lowered the bar on civility so much that Dems need to finally stop turning the other cheek as if it’s so noble and say “Fuck it. I’m not going to a rapist and insurrectionist’s inauguration.”

They have zero to lose as their political careers are done and may just get some respect.

I agree but they likely will go. I won't be watching.

My wish would be that Kamala and Doug fly off to Hawaii that morning and never look back.

I’ve been reading a lot of the post-mortems on the election and they all make good points about why Kamala lost (inflation, the border, her late entry into the race, woke culture, Gaza, etc.)

I wouldn’t dispute the importance of any of those factors. But in my gut I suspect a larger answer may be much simpler. Trump lost the presidency to one man. He beat two women.

I think a male candidate very similar to Kamala - as (heavily) flawed as she was - would have easily beaten Trump.

When Hillary ran, many of my mom’s friends - all lifelong Democratic women - said they were either supporting Trump or sitting out the election. They just couldn’t “picture” Hillary Clinton leading the country. No real reason. The fact is that the sexism and misogyny in the U.S. are so deep seated. And these latest results show that many women are as reluctant as most men to place their trust in a woman.

Gretchen Whitmer is bright, strong, intelligent, talented. But given the mentality of the American populace, I don’t see her as a viable candidate in the near future. Sad but true.

And on another point many are making about Kamala’s campaign - that she didn’t do enough to distinguish herself from Biden - she was between a rock and a hard place. How could she say she would do things differently without criticizing her own role in the current administration?

"I think a male candidate very similar to Kamala - as (heavily) flawed as she was - would have easily beaten Trump"

No...not if he had been an emergency nominee who only had 3 months to gain a fanbase..

We will not have a woman president until we are fully a minority country and can wrestle America out of the grip of Evangelical White Supremacists. That is the takeaway of this election. And it depends if we have the same Constitution.

[quote]The young baby boomers and older Gen X demographic are the worst.

In my experience, people born in the 60s tend to be absolute cunts. I don't know what it was about that decade, but people born in it are AWFUL.

[quote]Meanwhile millenials are being ignored, they were always super blue and yet Kamala beat Trump by a measly 1% in their demo....why are people ignoring this lol

This pisses me off too.

People are at their most bitter and angry when they are 45-64. That's when they understand that they are getting old and that their failures and screwups are permanent.

[quote] We will not have a woman president until we are fully a minority country

You’re so funny, gringo. 🌮

[quote]Were they or did dems chose to pander to upper middle class white college kids who are interested in all various forms of genders, or upper middle class women with an axe to grind against men, instead of towards the lower class who don't have TIME for their first world problems?

more lies. biden and harris were both pro-union, and harris planned on taking away taxes for tips. go back to FoxnEws

Dems should have run Pete. He's a veteran and Americans like that plus he's a very intelligent and likeable guy. He in no way comes across as elite and being gay is not as big of an issue in politics as some here seem to think.

Representative Shirley Chisholm, the first Black woman to run for president, wrote in 1970 that “women in America are much more brainwashed and content with their roles as second-class citizens than Blacks ever were.” This remains true today

After Trump’s victory, the right-wing activist Nick Fuentes tweeted: “Your body, my choice. Forever.” It really is a man’s world now.

^ R94 And Black people got a foul text message telling them to report to the plantation. A guy i work with got it and then his phone blew up because it seems thousands of Black people were targeted.

And that is why thousands of Dems left Twitter and Youtube yesterday. We saw that coming. We know what we were voting against. Now they are on their own. We are not subjecting ourselves to the hate. We are not fighting back. Let the 51% of white women and 40% of Latinas who voted for this handle this. If it really bothers then they should wake up and change their politics.

R92, lies and hate about him being a trans kid would have churned out 24/7. He would have lost just like Harris.

I saw it here in GA. THey bought the lies. Trump had very effective ads about inflation and about immigration and crime. Those ads ran at saturation level for weeks. They chose the right programs, the right number of exposures, and they were relentless. For every five ads Trump ran Kamala's campaign ran two.

I still want to know about the Evangelicals. When you tell me Trump got 52% of the White women, I want to know who they were. We'll have to wait until the dust settles. All the knee jerk analysis based on exit polling is not accurate. I want the real number crunchers to drill down into real numbers. That may not happen for a few months.

Look. They all know who Trump is. They don't care how he acts or what he says. I believe some of the misguided fools who voted for him figured, " well, we survived him before and it wasn't so bad. We can do it again." They ignore the racism, the Project 2025 shit. They figure he won't go through with it, "someone " will stop him. So misguided.

R97, rich highly college educated white women voted for harris, but if she was more middle-class and maybe only got an MRS degree, she likely voted for trump

white vote went UP for harris form biden, two or three points and down one for trump. latinos and "mixed" voted MUCH higher numbers for trump this time around, like 18 points higher

R16 the whole GLBTQ+++ is only 7.2% based on professional survey

Although in the GenZ age group (Gallup 2023) there are more trans than gay men,

And the Jewish vote went up for her too after all the scaremongering that Trump would win them over! Of course, had anyone been online with open eyes they would have seen vile anti semitism coming out of the bros supporting Trump. Even the 'best' of them veer into conspiracy that Jews are behind everything they dislike and most of them are open white nationalists.

We've had a reset and if we could take all black people, all Jewish people, all atheists and all educated white people and stuff them into the west coast or the northeast coast and secede we'd have a prosperous, secular country. Alas, we have to face the fact that Latino men are very susceptible to the type of leader that caused all the problems in their country of origin and forced to the US. And rural whites have been destroyed by evangelicalism and are now a white nationalist cult. Major fucking sigh.

It’s gonna happen anyway

I was watching with a friend who is a numbers cruncher. He said her margins were not as high as Bidens among some groups. So maybe she was up two points where Biden was up 3-4. It looks insignificant but cumulatively, it isn't.

R103 a friend told me that we are heading Right and Biden was just a stop gap, because the drift is to the Right, so yeah.

From preliminary data, this election was lost by two reasons: the defection of certain key demo groups over to Trump, and lower voter participation.

In the case of the first reason, there appear to be three key groups that shifted over right in a major way - in order of impact: younger males 18-35; Latino males; black males. The latter two demos have always been thought of as traditionally strong Democratic stronghold groups. We need to investigate what happened, and why. We need to listen to what they have to say, ugly it may be.

In the second reason, 13 million+ voters who voted in 2020 sat out this election. That's a LOT. What is the breakdown of these sit-outs and why did they sit out. I'd like to see the age/gender/race/party affiliation breakdown of these. If many had been Biden supporters (it looks like they were), that cost Harris the election.

We need to look into these issues and find out what happened. No recriminations, but research. There will be no re-building without the research and looking at facts.

That’s mystifying to me

A lot of Gen-X Americans were subjected to school desegregation busing in the 70s, which led to MORE segregation because white parents pulled their kids out of public schools. Kids had to get up in the wee hours to ride up to 20 miles to an unfamiliar neighborhood —in morning traffic, leading to tired and cranky students who disrupted class. Also, the mix of suburbanites and inner city youth was explosive. I think forced busing is one of the factors that led to more racism and distrust of government-imposed DEI and (more broadly) hatred of “wokeism.”

A lot of my high school classmates (1985) are stressed financially. Supporting or caregiving for elderly parents and simultaneously taking care of teenagers / young adults. The inflation spike hurt everybody but those whose incomes are holding households together and struggling to do so, have lost the most sleep over it.

No president or their direct successor has ever won (re-)election with the voters feeling this much discontent. And it didn't happen on Tuesday night either.

The Trump years 2017 thru 2019 were far better economically, you can say that Obama set that up but a lot of people do remember that the Trump years felt prosperous until Covid hit. So sure we can rant it's all mean sociopathic people, mostly white and mostly male, voting for Trump. But I know a few who are not that tuned into politics and are cynical about both sides and struggling to just manage life, and they just want to revert back to how they felt in 2018, vs the stress and sense of drowning that they felt 2022-23 watching prices and bills soar while the stock market tumbled. They somewhat still feel the pain today. And rightly or wrongly they do think Biden is at fault. They are typical Americans who have no clue or interest in knowing that the post Covid inflation surge was worldwide and that America managed it better than most of Europe did.

Maybe people will stop assuming all members of an age group share one mind. Ditto for Latinos and other POC. This is about economics not generations. At least, the fools who kept saying Trump is done when the boomers die and US has more POC than whites will shut up for a minute.

R108, All of that is very real, but inflation was inevitable coming out of a massive global pandemic. The whole world is experiencing it, and all incumbent governments are paying the price, even if they are not at fault. The US is by far in the best economic position right now, but people have the need to blame somebody, and Biden is the natural recipient of that blame.

[quote] They are typical Americans who have no clue or interest in knowing that the post Covid inflation surge was worldwide and that America managed it better than most of Europe did.

This must change before we become Hungary and it may already be too late. We are one of the only (only?) countries to freely hand the reigns over to a strongman fascist in a good economy with no civil war.

Suzy Wiles has said she'll control who enters the WH to keep out the 'clown car' Good luck. She'll be fired after a few months. We cannot have an electorate so dumb that they will put the conspiracy theorists and grifters and lunatics into power because eggs are expensive or two people are work are they/them.

[quote] Dems should have run Pete. He's a veteran and Americans like that plus he's a very intelligent and likeable guy. He in no way comes across as elite and being gay is not as big of an issue in politics as some here seem to think.

No one’s voting for that sissy boy. He’d probably wear a dress to the inauguration. Plus, he has butt sex.

Nasty!

[quote]Suzy Wiles has said she'll control who enters the WH to keep out the 'clown car' Good luck. She'll be fired after a few months. We cannot have an electorate so dumb that they will put the conspiracy theorists and grifters and lunatics into power because eggs are expensive or two people are work are they/them.

This, so much. Everyone here forgets that this group of clowns last time around couldn't run a Kool Aid stand for 5 minutes without massively effing up. Suzy (who is the late Pat Summerall's daughter, the sportscaster - did anyone else know this?) will be gone by next spring, replaced by a rotating door of cronies who will NEVER get anything done.

I think it all boils down to racism and misogynism.

I hope Susie has good good lawyers. Orange Jesus is immune but ETTD. After she gets fired and he croaks there will be lawsuits

[quote]We cannot have an electorate so dumb that they will put the conspiracy theorists and grifters and lunatics into power because eggs are expensive or two people are work are they/them.

But unfortunately we do, we have a huge swath of fellow citizens who are imbeciles, full stop. And we need to start accepting it, and figuring out how to go about dealing with them and their growing numbers.

There are approaches that can be taken, to get many of them back on board. It will take a lot of soul searching and research, but it can be done. Remember: there is a current category error existing between "MAGA diehards" and "Trump's winning coalition." The latter is not the former, at all. Trump could not have won with his cult alone. We can't persuade the cult, but we can persuade the others.

It starts now and with people like us here, who have a large politically/socially active membership on an open board with anon posting and fairly open posting parameters. We need to keep the lines open and keep up the work. They say some of the MSM read us - I fully believe it.

And there it is: the economy and immigration, with wokeism coming in a close third behind the other two. Several people were saying it all along, here and elsewhere, so it shouldn't come as a surprise.

I loved Harris and Walz and their campaign, the past 4 months have been some of the most positive and uplifting, politically, of my life. But I have to ask: $900 million in donations raised, and where did it go? Did anyone spend it on survey polling shown at r117? And if they did, did they listen to it AT ALL?

I should clarify at r118: the "economy" specifically meaning Inflation, not job growth (which got decent approval).

Democracy is dead. We all will be in a few years.

Drink to remember, drink to forget.

[quote]They are typical Americans who have no clue or interest in knowing that the post Covid inflation surge was worldwide and that America managed it better than most of Europe did.

But inflation still hit America hard. That's what matters. Nobody gives a shit about how it hit Europe because it doesn't affect them in this country.

R119, "inflation" might be a euphemism for "low wages." If you are well-compensated, you notice cost creep but it doesn't shock you: your investments have gone up too, so it's all good. But for most people, real wages have been stagnate since the 1970s. Life is great for some people, but not so for many others. Someone has to at least talk about this.

R122, there have been several “we need to talk about how Bernie was onto something back in 2015-16” opinions going around the past few days, and I was not a Bernie Sanders supporter but I agree.

not a Bernie fan but at least he talks about things that matter. He understands that the working class has been suffering for years. He also isn’t all in on the woke agenda which is despised by everyone including POC now.

Keep in mind that there will be more detailed, accurate, and professional exit poll analysis by Pew and one other group (can't remember the name) later. Don't base every take on these exit polls.

Also, in regards to turn out, there are still votes being counted and the 20 million less than 2020 number is no longer accurate and it's now 12 million less for her compared to Biden 2020 and that number will get even smaller as there is something like 10% of the votes left to be counted. Trump will still win the popular vote, but just a reminder that patience is key when wanting to understand what really happened.

Ugh, people need to STFU about "woke." Not everything you hate is "woke."

R107 they sound like resounding fools then. “How it felt in 2018” is a very short-sighted way of looking at things

Pod Save America Host Says Biden’s Internal Polling Showed Trump Winning 400 Electoral Votes

Doomed from the start

Trump will never see the inside of the White House again. People don't like when others evade justice. Someone will take him out.

If Iran doesn't get him first.

Please stop with the fantasies. Trump is never going to jail and will live to 90.. Also there was no October surprise and no big scandal that would stop him. Try to live in reality and not wishful thinking.

[quote]I thought when the boomers died. MAGA was done. Maybe Gen Z will save us.

Gen Z men went for Trump.

So much for that theory.

Blacks went for trump Hispanics went for trump maga gays went for trump lots went for trump.

The majority of American voters went for trump

Terrible

WRONG R132, the majority of gays did NOT go for Trump, the majority of blacks did NOT go for Trump, the majority of WHITE WOMEN went for Trump and Hispanic Men and GEN Z MEN went for Trump.

[quote]there appear to be three key groups that shifted over right in a major way - in order of impact: younger males 18-35; Latino males; black males. The latter two demos have always been thought of as traditionally strong Democratic stronghold groups. We need to investigate what happened, and why. We need to listen to what they have to say, ugly it may be.

The reason this happened is misogyny. And the answer is that Dems have to stop running women candidates. It’s ugly, but it’s the truth.

[quote]Covid was not truly catastrophic?

Yes, but would it not have been catastrophic if a Dem was President? Democrats wanted endless lockdowns, which would not have been popular with voters in November 2020.

Their problem is costs are too high under Biden. And they resent illegal migration. And don't like jihadism. And don't want billions spent arming Ukraine, they see that as Europe's problem.

Democrats can either stop being the self appointed morality police about other adults' language and legally held and expressed views, or they can keep losing.

Democrats do not create welcoming non judgemental fun spaces for young male voters. They do guilt trip politics and cancel culture and bring on the entertainment industry kings and queens to instruct us on voting. It's a losing strategy.

The sudden association with Musk is suspect.

OP is stuck in the psychological position of denying the actual level of support for Trump's policies.

If Trump DOESN'T deport millions, if he DOESN'T "drill baby drill" , if he DOESN'T stop arming Ukraine, his ratings will plummet. Voters WANT these things.

Americans are calllous and cruel that the US had the deaths of any developed nation. If our deaths were the same as Canada/UK/Germany etc we would have lost about 500,000 fewer souls. We shrugged and allowed half a million people die because we didn’t want to wear a mask or stay home for a while. And now we wonder why the same people are okay with a president who is a rapist, liar, cheat, insurrectionist while the rest of the world gasps in horror at what we’ve done? There is a selfish, cruel streak running through people who are dumb as fuck and completely ignorant.

R140 Right which is why no Dem could have won and why going on Rogan would not matter because Rogan’s voters want to ban vaccines, they want to deport people, they want to take legal status away from Haitians etc Pete would kill on Rogan - in our opinion. Rogan voters would call him an idiot because he’s not telling them what they want to hear.

I don't think we will see "mass deportations." I think we will a few busloads, and maybe some visuals of a round up and then it's over. Here's why. First it is impractical. Second, the mass deportations Trump talked about were based on the hoards "the millions and millions" of criminals flooding our open borders. " Of course this never happened. But if it did happen Trump would go after them. Now I may be wrong, but he might empty our prisons of any Latino gangsters and send them home, but that seems stupid since, if you release them they will be free to crime again. I don't know much of anything about his new chief of staff, but maybe she will find a way to fuck up Stephen Miller. Of all the bottom feeders in Trump's orbit, Miller is one of the few who have never had Trump turn on them. He's overdue.

Reading about Jon Favreau talking about how Biden's people and Biden knew he would lose to Trump and they were shivving Kamala behind her back too. Makes me even ore sympathetic towards her. Can you imagine functioning in that asylum?

Ron Filipkosi's Part 2 Autopsy. Another smart take

In 2024, for the first year on record (with 120 years of data), every wealthy-country ruling party has lost ground, regardless of whether it was left or right of center. Across Belgium, France, Japan, Austria, Portugal, the US, and the UK, the average swing was 20 points.

Worldwide, political scientists are arguing, this is a reaction to high prices. Inflation leads voters to punish whoever’s in power, even if they didn’t have control over it. The fact that US voters swung less hard against Democrats may be due to the greater success in the US, relative to other countries, in bringing inflation down.

Look. The only reason Trump won is because of Inflation and Immigration. Period. Now he will also enact tax cuts, and he will do a few tariffs to please his friends. But mostly he will look for great business deals for him and his family. Does anyone want to take bets on when (not if) Jared returns to Washington?

The election was a rejection of Biden. Other Democrats did quite well. Notice how Dems did very well in the 2022 midterms when Biden wasn't on the ballot. On the flip side, Republicans do much better when Trump is on the ballot. The answer is that voters like Democratic policies more than Republican policies. The problem for Republicans is that Trump is gone in 4 years.

I hope the woman he just appointed his chief of staff knows how to get r id of Elon.

Inflation.

Global problem; global response: Punish incumbents.

The end.

There was a pandemic playbook, Trump ignored it because it was developed during the Obama administration. Things may have been quite different if he'd followed it, but he didn't and fucked everything up but people have forgotten about that.

Despite Trump's massive fuck ups, the democratic overreaction to Covid didn't help things either. Which in turn lead to the price gouging, which has fooled people into thinking that the economy is bad, which lead to this past Tuesday. It goes back to Covid, Trump's fuck up and democratic overaction.

First let me say that I voted for Kamala. I am not a Trumper. I have never supported him. But here's my take. Instead of trying to blame any one group for a losing campaign, maybe the blame belongs with Democratic Party leadership. Kamala was never set up for success. The party got distracted with issues that the majority of the country simply didn't care about. Majority rules, friends. No amount of finger waving or foot stomping or protesting is ever going to change that. The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. More and more people are coming out and saying this exact sentiment too. Latino men AND women and all other non-black races overperformed for Trump. Are they all bad people? Are they all evil? In other words, the Dems need to get their collective heads out of their asses if they ever want to win back power again.

This cheered me up a bit yesterday - thought I'd post:

I work with quite a few Republicans, and most of them said some version of "I know he's an asshole, but this is about my bank account." So I really do believe it's all about the economy and inflation for most people.

[quote] Latino men AND women and all other non-black races overperformed for Trump. Are they all bad people? Are they all evil?

Yes and yes. There is something wrong with American culture where this man’s behaviors are not disqualifying. Until the culture is fixed, those within it should be deemed enemies of humanity.

Latinos and women vote the economy just like everybody else. Inflation coming out of a global pandemic wasn't Biden's fault, but at the end of the day, being able to pay your bills is a far more pressing issue than anything else. Exit polls showed that Harris was more popular than Trump, but voters were more worried about inflation.

There were endless polls showing that voters trusted Trump more on the economy. That should have been a huge warning sign for Dems. Instead, they doubled down on "the economy is great," and made abortion the biggest focus of the campaign. It didn't resonate with voters.

I look at the breakdown of who voted for him, and the guys who voted for him are assholes who like people who can get away with shit. Period. They see him busted for lying about his property values on loans and they love it. They wish they could do that. Fuck banks. They look at him insisting his election was stolen and they know he lies all the fucking time and he took the classified documents and they watch him scam his way out of trouble and they root for him.

r156, I can't agree enough. trump ran on hate and lies, nothing more. he could have run on honest issues yet didn't

[[quote] but voters were more worried about inflation.

despite inflation leveling out over the past seven months, I call lies again. all lies, lies upon lies

R161 you looked at the last 7 months. They looked at the last three years. Get it?

which is stupid, get it?

It’s not so stupid that it functions elect a President with just kvetch 50% percent if the vote. You’re looking at from the wrong angle.

*functioned to elect

based on lies, a global pandemic clearly, especially looking at you

Yes anyone who looked back at where they ere is an idiot. We get that’s what YOU think. And it got you you nowhere.

[quote]but voters were more worried about inflation

So for that to be true, 90% of all black folk are rich? They didn't have to worry about inflation? All the gays rich too? Seems to me those groups also worry about inflation. Interesting how that message didn't get through to white women but did through black woman.

Trump is growing over winning the election because of his "Earned Media". That is what he is calling Fox/OAN/Newsmax and Russia Today carrying nothing but positive stories about Trump and only stories with negative spin about Harris. Dems did remarkably well in their down ballot races, but MAGA said that they didn't know who Harris was, which is correct, but then said she was a failed "Border Czar". Hmmmm, filtered propaganda.

Murdoch figured out that you don't have to lie, only provide unfair and unbalanced "Earned Media".

[quote] Interesting how that message didn't get through to white women but did through black woman.

Not all white women, but there is a certain type of white woman who thinks that nothing can't be adjusted to suit their whims/needs. This type of white woman will just fly to another state to get healthcare and dare anyone to say a thing about it. It's a perk that many other white women and definitely not minority women get to enjoy.

R170, for many white women being subordinate to men works out well enough. They have their kids taken care of and they have a roof over their heads and they are willing to put up with injustices for that. It’s the Betty Draper lifestyle: sure, they get depressed but they can go shopping.

Black women may not be regularly given that kind of opportunity to sell out. They have see things as they are.

Inflation is bad. No doubt. Pre Covid I averaged about $350 a month for groceries. Not counting ordering out or eating out. Now, I spend $550 a month and I don't order out or eat out often. Maybe once or twice a month. I cannot even imagine what a family of four or six has t o deal with. And the cost of housing has been problematic since 2020. Biden had a piss poor Secretary of Housing. She was awful. And housing is a main driver of inflation as far as living expenses. The thing is none of this was mysterious. We knew for at least the past two years that the Republicans were going to go after immigration and inflation. Period. And we could have gotten ahead of those issues, but they have an attack machine that is so effective it can make you believe the sun rises in the West if they pound it into you long enough. And we sit there and go on the defensive every fucking time. Was it 6 months ago, we were all praising Biden, "Thank you, Joe!" and now his approval ratings are in the toilet? WTF!

I haven’t experienced that at all.

r172, Biden and his people did an absolutely piss-poor job of COMMUNICATING successes and getting ahead of Trump's framing of their performance. Say what you want about Trump, but he is a strong communicator of simple ideas - an untruthful one, but that's not the point. He knows how to frame up his opponent, especially one that stands around unable to produce a decent response or even describe their own achievements.

He and his team knew how to use podcasting, social media, vloggers and the like. They used this brilliantly. The Dems stuck mostly with legacy media, which is reaching no one under 35 these days. Major error. Coupled with the Biden WH's inability to communication or brag about the simplest things.

I'm old enough to remember Bill Clinton in the 90s - you couldn't keep the guy away from a microphone, every other sentence from him began with "I" or "Me/my". He constantly communicated his goals, plans and accomplishments. If anyone was caught out criticizing him, he was all over it, responding, explaining. He won two terms. Obama - not as ego-based as BC - also loved to orate and talk about his work, what he wanted to do. You had no such output from the Biden WH or Harris much herself.

[quote]I don't think we will see "mass deportations." I think we will a few busloads, and maybe some visuals of a round up and then it's over. Here's why. First it is impractical.

It's also massively expensive, almost to the point of impractical. Who's gonna pay for all of it? They'll try to make the biggest spectacle of it, for sure, to get the most public relations bang for the buck.

R174 I happen to agree with you. The Republicans have always been more effective at messaging. And the Biden Administration failure at effective messaging and image building was glaringly obvious. If we have learned nothing else, the GOP messaging machine can take a pile of shit and convince anyone that it is a steak dinner. Grade A Prime. They took a mentally incompetent lunatic, and sold him to us. It didn't matter what he said or did. Biden was bullied relentlessly especially following the debate. The Media never not one time treated Trump close to the same. And t hat proved to be a significant part of his success. So not just messaging, but a very cooperative, collusive Media.

[quote]The Republicans have always been more effective at messaging.

Because their base is simple, and that's not shade. The Democratic base is much more complicated. Therefore, creating a cohesive message that every faction in the party is happy with is more challenging.

Here's a cohesive message the "party" needs to be happy with: we want to WIN. We want the crazy far right out of power.

It's as simple as that, and anyone who doesn't want to get it together and get on board, needs to re-think what they're doing.

When given a semi-charismatic, attractive, articulate and professional candidate - like Kamala Harris - the fractious party can certainly unite behind them and get it together, putting misgivings aside. We just saw it happen on a large scale. They need better messaging next time, and a clearer platform geared toward issues concerning the majority of Americans. They will win again then - more easily than I believe anyone here thinks.

R172, what is the federal government supposed to do about the cost of housing? Voters believe that their homes are sacrosanct preservers of wealth; no one who owns a home wants its value to ever go down. In theory the income earned by the private equity firms who buy residential homes for investment could be taxed at a higher rate, but good luck selling that to the investor class and their lobbyists. It's a complex problem that does not lend itself to easy solutions.

Build more housing at a lower cost. Problem solved.

[quote] Gen X was always conservative. Growing up in the 1970-80s, homophobia and racism were rampant. We grew up during the Reagan era. There was a strong anti-gay mood in the country during our teen and college years because of aids.

Gen X here. Completely agree. Culturally, the 80s were fucked. High school was 82-86 and college was 86-91. We grew up less informed and less accepting than late boomers who came of age in the 1960s.

[quote] And yet I wonder why 20 MILLION Joe Biden voters stayed home?

When California finishes counting it will only be about 10 million that stayed home. The electorate believes Black and/or female candidates are only transformative for the disenfranchised. They want to maintain the status quo but make things better only for the majority culture. They don't realize they are being bamboozled, nobody can make America "great" again in the way Trump encourages his Deplorables to envision. Trump 2.0 will show them. In 2028 his supporters will feel the despair that normal people are feeling today -- and their despair will be accompanied by shame.

Or there was election interference, they DID get into our voting systems, (Trump "I've got a secret"), 10 million Kamala Harris votes magically went "Poof", and we're all blaming the wrong people!!!! (which is EXACTLY what they wanted) ................

The exit tallies favor my scenario over yours....more than a 3% difference says something was fucked. Even Karl Rove said so.

I still say it's the anti-trans ads. Have you seen them? I didnt because I live in a blue state. But when I looked them up, they were like the Willy Horton version of Trans freaks are going to convent your kids.

To be fair, we should have seen this coming. A lot of straight men are not comfortable with men who wear lipstick, wear woman's close but still look like a dude. And that's the kind of examples they showed. 30 million dollars worth just on that one type of add.

Does not matter that 0.001% of the population is actually trans, that's not what stuck in their mind.

R181 I am later Gen X (born 1978) and that couldnt be farthest from the truth for me. As a child AIDS was a huge topic, as well as homophobia. Granted, I grew up in a blue state, but the general idea was that AIDS was awful and gay people were just as good as straight people and to not be a homophobic asshole. I remember Rock the vote, and Mtv in 1992, I was too young to vote then but I thought they did a great job in engaging younger people in voting, making it hip to care, and what do you know, they voted in droves and mostly for Clinton.

Racism was also a huge topic of discussion. So many movies and sitcoms dealt with it. I remember Malcolm X coming out being a huge thing and young people everywhere with X shirts. Yeah, the general consensus then too was being a racist meant bring a piece of shit.

So at least as far as later Gen X is concerned, you are full of shit.

Black Gen X has some opinions about you white Gen X motherfuckers.

In my Experience GenX people are the least in touch with reality of any generation except for their GenZ kids. They do not understand basic things about society and the economy. These are the idiots who thought shoplifting was legalized becasue of the lies of right-wing media. These are the morons who think cities are hellscapes of violence. These are deeply racist morons.

R188 those idiots actually think Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of their lifetime.

Ronnie who tripled the national debt, cut the real incomes of people under 25 more than 25%, had 450 officials of his administration go to jail for turning the government into a pay for play scheme, who negotiated over and over with terrorists: first to win the election by delaying the release of hostages, then by trading arms for hostages, then after the Beirut disaster, starting ridiculous pointless wars (Grenada?). Implementing a Star Wars program that has never worked. Who encouraged antigay bigotry and violence and refused to deal with the AIDS crisis.

This entire thread is about what stupid fake ass cunts white Gen Xers are.

[quote] I still say it's the anti-trans ads. Have you seen them? I didnt because I live in a blue state

I live in a blue state and I saw them quite a bit over a two week period. But, the week before the election I didn't see them at all.

i never saw them. I'm sorry that my generation fucked up so bad. I nor anyone I know from my generation (except for some facebook "friends" who i haven't seen in over thirty years) would ever have voted for turmp.

the one thing you millennials will always have over us, be heartened, is that we are officially the smallest generation ever, so we will and have been outnumbered.

we were hacked. It is very easy to do if you do it right., First you need a really close election. The media helped deliver that. Then you need the technology. Elon was helpful t here. And third you need to know exactly how many votes to steal and from where?

I'm Gen X, and I don't particularly like that many other Gen Xers are in the Trump gang, but I get it. We're still better than every single Boomer and Millennial because, unlike them, we can actually take care of ourselves.

The MSM was coopted by the right wing propaganda machine.

Harris was running against the Fox/OAN/Newsmax/Russia Today propaganda machines who were able to focus the issues on Trannies and Immigration. Then the Dark money forces were able to niche produce anti tranny ads and, get this, pro Latino/anti illegal Latino immigration ads. Sweet Jesus, Harris didn't have a chance when the entire combined propaganda machine only reported on Trump good news, and Harris/Dems bad news. The lesson Murdoch learned after the $787M fine was that

HE DIDN'T HAVE TO LIE, ONLY FILTER THE NEWS.

When you scream that you are fair and balanced, you have accomplished your first con job.

Just going to leave this here

Based on how you make up the largest homeless generation, I would wager that many of you cant take care of yourselves, R195.

Wait until your gen gets older R199. Happens to them all.

People get more conservative as they get older. It happens with every generation. It happened with Boomers during Reagan and now it's happening with Gen X. It's the cycle of life.

How is it that the elderly generations voted more Democrat than the middle-aged one? Has that happened before?

It seems that the elders are concerned with their Social Security and Medicare being cut. It is pure financial security.

Who voted for who makes no difference now

None of us will live long enough to ever see anything but a right dominated Supreme Court and Federal Court system. And that is going to get so much worse in the next 4-8 years..

In a few years the liberals or moderates on the SC will be some of trumps first term appointments. Those worst is still to come.

There is nothing to stop him now. This election was a game changer unlike Nixon Reagan Bush Bush or even trump the first time around.

The courts will be theirs as long as you are alive.

And if things to crash and burn like it has in other countries where the economics are truly bad and the wheels start to come off——how many times to do countries turn to a liberal moderate mor democratic govt to lead the way?

The country could even turn harder right. And they could start to look for the enemies within. Self pointed civilian milita.

This can and will likely get a lot worse. They are going to get their revenge

^^^^^

YES, in 2020 when the group that was back then 45 through 61 was a greater supporter of Trump than the people who were already in their late 60s, 70s and 80s

Not saying that people born in the 1940s and early 1950s didn’t vote for Trump, but the people born in the 1960s and first half of the 1970s were the ones who TRULY favored Trump over Biden.

I was talking to R202

This piece by Timothy Snyder is fascinating. It explains what happened better than any of the finger pointing articles.

[quote] A liberal has to tell a hundred stories, or a thousand. A communist has one story, which might not turn out to be true. A fascist just has to be a storyteller. Because words do not attach to meanings, the stories don’t need to be consistent. They don’t need to accord with external reality. A fascist storyteller just has to find a pulse and hold it. This can proceed through rehearsal, as with Hitler, or by way of trial and error, as with Trump.

[quote]vA Leader (“Duce” and “Führer” mean just that) initiates politics by choosing an enemy. As the Nazi legal thinker Carl Schmitt maintained, the choice is arbitrary. It has little or no basis in reality. It takes its force from the decisive will of the Leader. The people who watched Trump’s television ads during sporting events had not been harmed by a transgender person, or by an immigrant, or by a woman of color. The magic lies in the daring it takes to declare a weaker group to be part of an overwhelming conspiracy.

[quote] The one thing that is not arbitrary about the choice of an enemy is that it must exploit vulnerabilities. The Trump ads projected a fantasy of Kamala Harris allowing millions of sex-changed foreigners to take jobs from Americans. This touches, all at once, on gender, economic, and sexual vulnerability. We are unprotected and impoverished and will be replaced by something alien. And this is all orchestrated by a shadowy enemy in the background—in this case, a woman of color who knows how to laugh.

a GOOD READ! thanks

R208, I also recommend the article linked at R207. It makes two particularly disturbing pointing points. First, business leaders are always so excited by the idea of crushing labor unions and repressing wages that they support fascism, even though the historical evidence shows that they, too, are likely to be crushed by the ensuing social upheaval. Second, Trump has a larger base of support than Mussolini or Hitler ever did.

Financial distress. Caring for aging selves, kids, partners, parents, and other loved ones including friends or siblings, grandparents, sandwiched with work, bills, trying to buy groceries, and homes maintenance.

Snyder and BenGhiat are the two experts on Dictators and Tyrants.

R209 interesting last sentence, any data to support that? Both M and H were very popular in their own countries until they lost the war. Trumps support is only a small majority of Americans I would think.

And Spain a fascist country seems to have done OK by not getting into the war,

Time for Dems to stop supporting mentally ill trans people.

[quote]People get more conservative as they get older. It happens with every generation.

That's a MYTH Repugs love to repeat. Helps to when converting your liberal bride to Republican as part of her "maturing as a woman process" by letting her man lead the way with politics.

The truth is I know many elderly who are liberal, progressive, happy people. It's usually the bitter cunts that end up more Republican.

Yeah, older boomers voted more for harris generally than Biden

Wise words from Jen Psaki

I'm not sure people get more conservative as they age so much as more skeptical. And you enter the "this is how much money I've got left to live on" phase.

R214 I am an old bitter cunt who is no longer actually for real a liberal a progressive or happy. I dislike these idiot progressives who may be the future of a constantly losing Democratic Party..

I always vote I always vote Dem and I have never once voted GOP.

R212, the history supports it. Neither Mussolini or Hitler ever won a popular vote. Mussolini came to power through a coup. It took Hitler several coup attempts and a lot of political maneuvering before he consolidated power.

I'm a moderate and have never liked extremes. I personally prefer two functioning political parties. The Republican Party, as it currently exists, is no relation to the Republican Party that I grew up with. It's an embarrassment. Democrats support some things that annoy me, but I suck it up and vote for Democrats because the alternative is awful and not voting is the same as voting for awful.

R219 the 1924 vote in Italy Mussolini and his party won an overwhelming victory. Second place was not remotely close.

Hitler was legally appointed chancellor in 1933. He never had to run for an election after 1933.

You have not proved your point that both men did not have majority support or that Trump has more.

indeed, the far left I roll my eyes at , but the GOP makes my blood curdle

A lot of Latinos voted far left and Trump. AOC and Trump for example. Unravel that!

Why is Jen Psaki dressed like the man from Glad?

For Gen X - they are in the middle of the most stressful time of their lives - kids in their late teens to early 30's who are still living at home or can't get on their own two feet, then they are also taking care of aging parents.

Does anyone know the turnout rate for Millennials and Gen Z? Because I bet it was VERY low.

People did NOT turn out like they should.

Actually, votes continue to be counted and turnout was low but not VERY low.

And yeah, GenX is the “squeeze” generation. Supporting both dying parents and kids

Theil and Musk delivered for Trump. They "found" votes for him. Neither can ever be President, but they bought one. And for sure Musk is an agent of Putin. I've heard Musk referred to as the richest person on the world, but he isn't. Vladimir Putin is.

R225 yeah poor Gen X is so unique in that regard, like no other people older than them didn't go through the same thing. Such martyrs.

R221, in 1922, Mussolini led an attack on the Italian government and the Italian King appointed him prime minister. He was a dictator by 1923, and had revised the election laws to favor his own party. Hitler's rise to power is well-known; of course, he never stood for an election after 1933, it was too late for that. The Nazis never won more than 37% of the popular vote prior to 1933. As the author of the article I was discussing said, both of them took a somewhat complicated road to power. Had a few things gone differently, they might not have become dictators. But neither one was simply elected by a popular vote.

Vote or not Hitler and the party was very popular in Germany until the wheels came off. He was seen as a savior. He was adored.

And the party membership under Hitler went from 2 million to 5 million to 8 million .

Trump will prove to be……..(time will tell)

R229

R228, only you said unique.

If Koch’s family were actually wealthy, he’d have gone to Harvard-Westlake, or at a bare minimum Sierra Canyon.

Wrong thread 🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote] I still say it's the anti-trans ads. Have you seen them? I didnt because I live in a blue state.

I’m in Philly and saw them non-stop.

And look what happened in the Philly suburbs….

they supported harris, except for bucks county. Allentown voted for harris

So voter turnout was lower but his numbers up in specific places? We need to drill down into those places.

The margins were comparatively lower. Allentown is not a Philly suburb.

Remember the theory that Harris would make every effort in red areas, if only to cut Trump’s margins? Well it turns out she failed, but Trump succeeded in his attempt to cut margins in blue areas.

Oh, bitches, it's worse than you can imagine. Read this and weep. AOC asked why people would split the ticket and vote for her and also Trump

The T was a gift. Right or wrong it was a great gift. What we might have called back in the day a nice slow practice pitch right down the center.

The gop would have been guilty of political malpractice not to take advantage of it

Now off to enjoy a cold BudLight.

The View was a gift too. SASE. She really fucked up that one. I heard on CNN today part of the problem was her deep loyalty to Biden. She just wouldn't agree to part company with him, even though the staff proposed messaging to that effect. I'm not sure it would have made a difference anyway. I suppose she felt a great obligation to him since he endorsed her and killed the chance of a mini primary.

It was less deep loyalty than surface distance.

They are evil.

Leave the trans people alone. Republican advertising made them an issue when in reality what .6$ of Americans do is kinda minimal.

When people can say that Harris was a failed Border Czar (a title given by the Fox/Newsmax/OAN/Russia Today megaphone) and at the same time said that they didn't know her, just reeks of advertising. White men bought the advertising.

When people were asking about why we were sending money to Ukraine but not to Americans, while at the same time economists were singing the praises of a Biden soft landing to the Trump fuck up of the Pandemic AND NOBODY BROUGHT UP THE 1.9TRILLION DOLLAR BAIL OUT/STIMULUS UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT?

That is where Democrats lost the election. The Fox/Newsmax/OAN/Russia Today megaphone did not say one good thing about Democrats and only applauded Trump's hatred of second class citizens. BUT NEITHER DID DEMOCRAT.

Democrats, so numbed by Trump and his minions in Congress decided to turn the page, but MAGA propagana spun the page turning back on Democrats.

Democrats should have run a forceful campaign againstr the shitty Trump record. We lost beause the Fox/Newsmax/OAN/Russia Today megaphone said over her, over her...Trannies!

R245 The Dems lost the election because the Uber right wing media the ones everyone knows is right wing media along with Russia did not praise Harris and the Dems enough?

An interesting argument as to why you think Harris lost.

It’s thinking like this that will result in dem victories in 2028 and beyond.

Someone has started a campaign:

If the Democrats don’t initiate a recount for the swing states and bring an investigation into Elon Musk’s involvement in the Trump campaign, they are willfully ceding our nation to fascism in the face of results across 7 states that defy any precedent or reasonable explanation. We all deserve a #SwingStateHandRecount.

I guess anyone here who agrees should pass it on.

A recount is unlikely to change anything, however Elon is another story. Definitely some laws broken there. Government contractor who secretly chats with Russia for example. He's allowed to talk to whoever he wants but he's also supposed to notify the US gov he did that as a contractor with access to US secrets.

And you are a lunatic. No recount needed to show that.

Wisconsin had the largest voter turnout - it was close and Hawaii the smallest.

Hawaii always has a low turnout.

So now Republicans have the Presidency, the House and the Senate. No more excuses. No more blaming others. If and when everything goes to hell they're the ones in charge and responsible.

indeed they are

Starlink satellite helped with vote tabulation. Yes they did.

Source, r254?

R252 they've been more or less in charge of the country since 2000.

I have R254 blocked. Was that me or Muriel?

You r257. I can see them clearly here.

I just read that George Clooney is now receiving backlash because Kamala lost. If not for George, after all, senile Joe would have still run and beaten Trump! It's all Clooney's fault!!

Now, if Clooney joined the group demanding a recount, and they found something, Clooney would be cleared of all responsibility. If they found nothing, he'd be forgotten.

Looks like an each choice to me.

^^ It looks like an EASY choice to me. Damn spellcheck!!

They’re big fucking babies. Source: Ian one and had to grow up with these people.

Oh, dearing myself. I am one.

[quote] I’m in Philly and saw them {anti-trans ads} non-stop.

I have been saying, the pushback on Trans issues was a huge part of why Trump won. And people were like "Kamala didn't mention the T one time in three months." Honeys, it's not about the three months, it's not about anything that Kamala specifically focused on or didn't focus on. It's not about Kamala. It's about the last few years. It's about optics. The Dems being seen as "loonie liberals." It's about Trump creating and anti-brand for the Dems and pummeling the public with this terrible branding for years. It's the GOP overstating, exaggerating and downright lying about how many Trans people there are, and how many children are getting gender-affirming care (0.0001%). They have brainwashed their followers that not only are we supportive of Trans people, we are GIDDY about it. Now thousands of low information voters think we are actively recruiting otherwise normal individuals to become Trans, for why I don't know - some sick pleasure? Why would anyone in government have the time or the bandwidth to gleefully coax people into becoming Trans? Polarization around Trans issues started years ago, it's been a HUGE stumbling block this election. I don't know how some of you don't see this.

I have a theory that the MAGA people were raised by very stern, stubborn, invalidating and potentially verbally or physically abusive fathers. They were brought up to see men as emotionally invalidating, always right, my way or the highway authoritarians. And while a part of every MAGAt's soul is dead, they now recognize someone like Trump as "tribe." They respect him. They understand him. They were probably condescended to as children by their withholding fathers, and would do anything to win father's approval. They want to please Trump. They weep about Trump. It's like he is Daddy, and he is the center of their universe. I mean didn't Tucker Carlson refer to Trump as "Daddy" and how sometimes "Daddy" needs to spank his children to make a point?

He's not their tribe; he'd rather be boiled in oil than lunch with any of them.

Nobody voted for Trump because they like him. They don't. If he had been assassinated they would have been relieved. They HATE HATE HATE liberals and all this driven by non-stop 24x7 lies about the world the economy, what's happening in the nation, etc.

That ad wasn't as anti-trans as people like to shriek. The closing line: Kamala Harris for they/them, President Trump is for you - wasn't anti-trans, it was exploiting the radical loony liberal angle, which for a nation pissed off about inflation, worked. They could have used any number of clips, probably, but they got lucky enough to find one of talking about spending tax money on gender surgery for prisoners.

Repeat: spending tax money on gender surgery for prisoners. That's the Fourth, Black Friday and Powerball rolled into one.

That so many people are missing the point of what that ad worked is one of the big problems for Democrats.

[quote]They have brainwashed their followers that not only are we supportive of Trans people, we are GIDDY about it. Now thousands of low information voters think we are actively recruiting otherwise normal individuals to become Trans, for why I don't know - some sick pleasure?

They have been good at the brainwashing and targeted ads, hand them that. They really made high use of the late-campaign Trans ad against Harris, $41 million dropped on it - it worked, unfortunately, along with the other factors (inflation, immigration). All is fair in love and war, and election season campaigns.

No one expects Dems to drop basic Trans rights from their agenda. Equal treatment under the law, rights to employment, housing, schooling, freedom from bullying and discrimination in basic things - all of these will remain part of the platform, and proudly so. Most Americans can get on board with these basic precepts - they are about general fairness and dignity. It's the mandated pronouns, the interfering with sports unions rights to determine fairplay, or other more fringe issues that irritate and upset the general public. Not hills to die on, as stated upthread.

I wish they'd spend some of the advertising money on "I told you so" commercials going forward. It would be great to point out all the horrible things going on rather than wait until October of 2028.

Andy Beshear is on MSNBC. The campaign has begun.

No one saw it.

[quote]The Dems lost the election because the Uber right wing media the ones everyone knows is right wing media along with Russia did not praise Harris and the Dems enough?

No, it is not praise, it is coverage masquerading as entertainment. Harris was nor running against a disgusting, defective, conman, but THE IMAGES THAT WAS created for both of them. When Right-wing media said nothing good about Biden/Harris and Harris said to turn the page, she was ignoring the direct attack on Trump. But no, she bought into the reality show cavalcade of musical supporters, while "news" outlets shut out her lists of supporters. She should have attacked him directly AND RELENTLESSLY. And even then it was a chance that the MAGA propaganda machine would have muted her. Like, they muted the $1.6 TRILLION DOLLAR BIDEN/HARRIS American Rescue Plan and ever two years later "newscaster" are not sure why we don't have a recession and that people are pissing themselves over a 10¢ rise in a dozen eggs. How about the MAGA propaganda machine did not want people to give credit to Bidenomics and talked the recovery down. Talked the $1.6 TRILLION DOLLAR RECOVERY DOWN. How did Democrats let Republican message makers get away with ripping off million s from the Paycheck Protection Act? Billions of dollars that went to prevent a recession and people are standing around like turkeys drowning in the fucking rain.

All the Ruski Trolls are doing another diversion and focusing on the Democratic blame game whe the actual culprets are the MAGA Propaganda machine and the news filters they put on Democratic good news. It wasn't that Democrats didn't get out their message, they WEREN'T ALLOWED. It was Big Business against Labor from the start and that is the reason Big Business backed a FAILED man for President. You can tell that even the Big Business info Barons did not support Harris and there was Sturm und Drang and Bezos and his ilk not supporting Harris but that wasn't going to happen EVER. Bezos does not want Unionized Labor in his Billionaire Manse. He looks like an American but he is an International Member of the REAL New World order.

Gen X was the generation most involved with punk rock and "post punk". We can trace the Trump support back to that. 1980s punks posed as liberals but there were always strong shades of fascism and intolerance in the punk and post-punk movements. John Lydon, Morrisey. So-called "straight edge" punks ripping beers out of other people's hands would be enthusiastic MAGATS in 2024.

Why has no one wanted to discuss the invisible Merrick Garland? If that fucker had done his job, Trump and 147 members of Congress, plus state and local officials would be banned for the rest of their lives from ever running for office again, and a lot of those fuckers, beginning with Donald, would have gone to Prison. And Biden expressed no urgency. He gave us a stern warning. All the Dems do is talk. They hold hearings and make speeches and the Republicans ACT. They don't give a fuck about ethics or what's legal.

I’m agree. Therein lies the rub

Biden could have arrested Trump at the White House today instead they are smiling at each other like best buds. All this proves that Biden and other leading Dems fear the left more than they fear the right, and that's bizarre.

“All this proves”

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

DL insight :-)

Biden has a grudge against Harris and the other Democrats now, R275. I can think of no other explanation for this.

Biden hates Harris and the proof is that Biden did not arrest Trump at the WH yesterday.

This is the kind of political insight that all Americans should be willing to pay $1.99 a month for,

And of course there can be no other explanation which makes it truly classic DL.

that makes no sense

R277 I just think he is bitter in general. After all his hard work, and all those phony assed "Thank you, Joe!" his approval ratings are in the toilet...thanks to the troll factories, and yes people who now wish he'd announced his dropping out sooner. He doesn't deserve the shit he is getting. His Infrastructure Bill and all the good work he did to revitalize manufacturing in the USA, rebuild our unions, make progress on the environment are all being ignored as the GOP Governors and other elected officials take credit for it. Our economy is stronger than any other country in the world. He didn't start the war in Ukraine nor did he attack Israel.. Supporting your allies is what we do. So I feel bad for him...and yet, I wish he would just fade away because he isn't going to do a damned thing to stop Trump.

I honestly do too. I don’t find him a vengeful character though

Biden hates no one.

He may be disappointed in Jill a bit and his sister, but Biden hates no one.

Joe must be the only Irish in the world that does not hate someone. We are some world class haters. I bet there are a lot of people Joe hates.

Biden is old school Irish and he will just get morose and feel sorry for himself he won't spend too much time hating. But. If there's a way to outsmart his opponents and shiv them... he will.

Biden should have pulled out a baseball bat and done what Daniel Day Lewis did at the end of There Will Be Blood. Instead of giving Trump a handshake, he should have made him drink his milkshake!

[quote] But. If there's a way to outsmart his opponents and shiv them... he will.

that would be trump

From Reddit: I figured out how Trump did it