Trump's second presidency - likely to implode?

He really isn't well positioned to get a cabinet or team together, unlike the first go -round when he at least had some sane people to assist him (who later all deserted him)....RFK Jr, Musk, Kid Rock, the wrestling guy (whose name escapes me)? it's going to be a very rough and bumpy road going forward, he doesn't have half the goodwill he had going into 2016.

You could kind of see it on the faces of his family last night - tepid happiness, cautious, not gleeful at all. They know. Buckle up Don.

None of that will matter if he has a glowing economy.

I just don't think Trump has the stamina, focus or involvement for Project 25.

R2, if he straps the tariffs in place, there will be no glowing economy.

Elon was warning the Trumpers to prepare for poverty.

A reminder of how this worked out for George W. Bush.

r3 Those tariffs take some time to show results/effects on the GDP, he's bound to be riding high heading into the midterms, unfortunately.

He will turn it over to Steve Bannon, Steven Miller and the other loonies, on the one side. And on the other side it'll be Jaydine, the tech bros, and the Heritage Foundation/Mike Johnson types moving legislation through and dismantling government. Trump just wants to watch TV half the day and give press conferences where the media licks his shitter.

We're about to go through some things.

He's a 78-year-old man who exists on uppers and KFC. I think the most frightening aspect of this win is Vance may indeed ascend the throne before the next election. If there is a next election. It's a lose-lose no matter the scenario.

Also, the economic crash will come in the second or third year. Maybe there will be a short term stimulus from tax cuts and slashing of interest rates. Trump will coast along for a couple of years on the Biden economy, like he did with Obama's economy.

R1 This is correct. After all of the people that were completely fucked over the last time, ANYONE with a brain will stay away. As you said, all the con artists will eat each other alive trying to be in front. Endless palace intrigue.

R2 - There is absolutely no fucking chance whatsoever of that. The market does not, never has, and never will, like instability.

[quote]Maybe there will be a short term stimulus from tax cuts and slashing of interest rates.

Maybe? The market exploded when his first tax cut dropped. If anything, the economy will overheat itself.

I need to go buy a case of popcorn for the confirmation hearings.

Yeah, it remains to be seen but incompetence, infighting and overreach might be a thing that helps slow down their progress in remaking this country.

R10 - 7 months in and we will see the biggest depression since the '30's. 'market exploded', indeed.

At some point, when the Treasury issues bonds to fund our massive debts, the auction will fail. It came close this summer. A tax cut might push the envelope. Then we will learn about economics in real time,

As we’ve been slowly coming out of Covid fallout, all Trump has to do is NOTHING and take credit for a booming economy in a year. If he forgets or is talked out of the tariffs.

My biggest fear at this moment is if Trump dies or gets too sick to continue and we get Vance.

It doesn't matter whether it implodes or not. The rethugs control the House, Senate, and Supreme Court.

Cheeto won a majority vote as insane as that sounds. This wasn't a win. It was a route.

Hope and wishful thinking are not an effective strategy. We need an actual plan that prioritizes and focuses resources to win both mid-terms and the next presidential election.

How do we put pressue on the media? How do we win local elections to prevent the voting fuckery that occured. Where are the key levers of influence. Yeah, so the dems won a few seats and governors' offices. What are we doing to build on that and help them retain them?

We need actual leadership and vision going forward.

I hate to be a downer, but he'd need to seriously fuck things up to ruin this economy. It's just not happening, corporations will LOVE him deregulating everything.

R9, the economy and the market are not the same thing, dear.

[quote] [R2], if he straps the tariffs in place, there will be no glowing economy.

Trump is an idiot, but he's not stupid enough to impose tariffs right away. His plan for tariffs will be like "build the wall" or "infrastructure week."

Just as Trump coasted on the success of Obama's economy during the first years of his first term and took all the credit, he will coast on the success of Biden's economy during the first years of his second term and take all the credit. The economy will crash during the second half of Trump's term, but he'll find some way to blame it on the liberals and the fake news media, and his supporters will accept whatever explanation he offers. Maybe, if we're lucky, we'll elect a Democratic president in 2028, but that president will have to clean up the economic mess that Trump leaves behind and will get all the blame for the mess. Rinse and repeat. You'd think that at some point, voters would wise up, but they never do.

[quote]The market does not, never has, and never will, like instability.

Oh, is that why it shot up like a rocket today?

r19 He implemented those tariffs and started a trade war with the EU in his first term already, he's not afraid of using them at all.

I think it's going to create divisions and hatr that last as long as people have had against Margaret Thatcher.

R18 - I was referring to a catastrophic collapse.

It is true that within certain operating parameters, they do not correlate.

However, if the market collapses à la 1929, the economy will slide straight into the toilet within weeks.

R20 - Yes, just like late 1920s and early 1929.

My god, all the geniuses who are going to lose their asses over the next few years.

Neither the market nor the economy will collapse. However, they are definitely not going to serve the poor suckers at the bottom who voted for him. The exact opposite, in fact. But hey, at least they'll have those deportations to entertain them while they're starving.

Dream on. There’s a whole cadre of well-organized Christian Nationalists who will use this Presidency to execute their plans as laid out in Project 2025. They will gleefully stack the Courts. Trump doesn’t care. He’s already accomplished everything he wants—he’ll die a rich, free man.

I would expect Clarence Thomas to retire in the spring. He's ready to be done with it so he and his fat cunt wife can drive around in their RV and enjoy their ill gotten gains. Aileen Cannon will take his place. And she's what-40 or so? She'll be on the court for 40 years. Alito will probably retire soon too and be replaced by a 40 something conservative. And Sotomayor is not in good health. so there's that. Imagine an 7-2 Trump majority on the court for the next several decades.

When will he present his health care plan?

It's going to be difficult. Take public education in the United States of America. It is no secret that MAGA World wants to kill it. Ensuring that the up and coming voters are made as MAGA and as dumb and as psychologically manipulable as possible.

So what will happen when the newly appointed Secretary of (Killing) Education goes for it? The federal government spends about 11% of the total expenses of K-12 education. State and property taxes and other state/local taxation vehicles tend to cover most of it. So public K12 ed would weaken in blue states but not die. It could really weaken in deep red states if state legislatures decide to align themselves with Kill Public Education on the federal level.

Will the GOP Congress rubber stamp a Yes on killing federal funding of K12 ed? Will anyone protest? Will protests in DC be cracked down upon, harder than ever?

Just one example.

The more I read DL today, the more I realize just what a bubble most of us exist in.

Ask folks in Kansas and Indiana how raping their education budgets went. And they STILL voted for this asshole.

R23, the economy collapsed and went into a depression because there was a run on the banks after the stock market crash. And there was no federal insurance on money kept in banks like there is today.

Bitcoin and other crypto isn't FDIC insured.

[quote]he’ll die a rich, free man

That's only if Trump doesn't do something else and get in trouble.

Not yet r33. Give it a few months, that may change.

Trump will defend crypto. They paid, for him. The gave him a slice of the pie.

What If rump’s administration removes the FDIC protection? All your money can be gone in a blink of an eye

[quote]The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) protects depositors' money in the event of an insured bank failure. The FDIC insures deposits up to $250,000 per depositor, per insured bank, and per ownership category. The FDIC's insurance is backed by the United States government, and no depositor has lost money from an FDIC-insured account since the FDIC was established in 1933

[quote] Bitcoin and other crypto isn't FDIC insured.

I'm hoping the MAGAts will run out and invest heavily in crypto. Then when the crash comes they'll be left penniless.

Sure OP.

If it gives you peace of mind, this is what will happen

The Bannons and Millers are tickled-they are the real winners

Don’t you people get it-Trump is a successful Hitler.

He hasn't even begun the transition process, usually started six months before the election.

He's got Linda McMahon and Cantor Fitzgerald's Howard Lutnick working on the transition.

Well, to the FDIC Heritage Foundation is not in favor of the government providing insurance backup protecting bank deposits, so there’s that. They want to do away with it as an independent agency and merge it into another department. They would like to reduce deposit insurance down from 250K to 40K for starters. Their twisted “logic” is in a 2017 position paper of theirs.

r42 Doesn't matter, the Project 2025 people have been planning his first day in office for years now. You'll see when he signs 500 exec orders on day one.

Jesus Christ.

[quote]r41 = Don’t you people get it-Trump is a successful Hitler.

Hitler was a successful Hitler...until he wasn't.

Exactly.

And don’t forget he has the power to replace the military’s command if he chooses to use it.

Just accept that everything is doomed and you’re powerless. It’s liberating. There is absolutely nothing you can do to change it.

Once you acknowledge that, live a life of ignorance to politics because it will only madden you. Then surround yourself with comfortable and cozy things to make yourself feel better.

Treat yourself well. Because as you have seen, no one else will.

Fuck, I forgot our money won't be safe in banks. It won't be insured when they get rid of the FDIC.

There's your mattress r50. And foreign banks.

Read up in the Savings and Loan crisis of the early 90's. The FDIC saved many, many asses.

I got timed out and FF bombed when I posted a link to. Republican who opined that it might be better for the Republican Party if Trump lost, because an aggrieved Trump as president was going to be a disaster, and it will complete the destruction of the Republican Party.

Better for us to lose the White House so we can start rebuilding the party, he said.

^^^ to a Republican

Trump was just the Trojan horse. Fart right assholes like Bannon, Vance and the Project 2025 people were behind his reelection.....they'll step in and they are far worse than even Trump, who does whatever he's told to do for a buck.

R53, Trump isn't aggrieved right now, he's ecstatic. He won a pres race he didn't expect to, he won't be going to prison, he's in a very good place. Voters agreed with his deportation fantasy and believe his horseshit about "fixing" the economy. He's in hog heaven.

I'm sure that is VERY temporary r56. His natural state is grievance and hatred and resentment. Right now, yes, probably overwhelming relief that he pulled this shit off, again, but soon this will pass.

I don't know if Trump has the stamina for that anymore.

I give it a day or two before Dump goes back into grievance and revenge mode.

r59 He already said his second term would be all about revenge, it won't even take a day.

The Trump Cult is a lot bigger than I imagined.

Yeah, imploding all the way to his handover to Lara in 2028. Don's last laugh will be the first female President will be a TRUMP.

[Quote]His natural state is grievance and hatred and resentment

No, his natural state is trolling, entertaining, and reading the political weather accurately.

r61 When it's the majority, we're the ones who might be in a cult.

Trump has been a master of earned media for almost 50 years. It's his primary grift.

Yeah, very cultish of us not to want a career criminal grifter to get a second chance at that insurrection he's pining for.

He’ll let Elon and Vance take over and sit on his fat ass all day.

Don't forget Bannon, r67...and Stephen Miller.

You know, I actually really don't care that much about lazy Diaper Don getting back into the WH, or his gnarly family. He isn't the real threat. He's all out of gas at this point, no real ideas or ambitions.

It's Miller, Musk, Bannon and RFK that are making me worried and ill. They will cause most of the damage to all of us.

Jesus Christ, there’s been millions of predictions of Trump’s imminent demise, and he just got re-elected president.

R41, given his lofty goals—converting a democracy into a repressive police state, taking over part of/all of the world, eliminating all political opponents and vulnerable ethnic groups—Hitler got a lot done. Most Americans don’t have that German obsessive focus. Our natural sloth may bail us out.

There's an article about white supremacist Bannon in this month's Vanity Fair. I'm still working my way through it but in a paraphrased nutshell:

Liberals are the enemy within. The Maga/Bannon belief is that white men should control women and have power over Jews, Arabs, immigrants, and other inferior humans. Purge the liberals and you'll have Kansas City 1946, when things were as they should be. Keep LGBTQ in the closet, Blacks in "Black jobs" and women barefoot and pregnant. Know your place, people.

Don't forget Bannon scammed MAGAs by keeping the funds they donated to Build the Wall. He's a shameless hater crook like the rest of them. Their voters were scammed again and progressives will pay the price.

As the young man said in the article when he came out to his fundy parents, "There is no hate like Christian love."

I'm having trouble believing this election wasn't rigged in some way. Perhaps through red states with all red legislatures. Note the trump cabal isn't screaming "rigged" when they win, but they sure do know all the scenarios that can make it happen.

It's just so hard to understand how so many people could vote for that deranged, evil, lying slob. A terrible day for America.

I feel the same way r73

It's a fair concern.

I think so, too, and I think there may be some people looking into things. It's not advisable to come out swinging without clear evidence and narrative, but I really hope people are on the case.

America gave an old demetia-ridden toddler the nuke codes..

[quote] I'm having trouble believing this election wasn't rigged in some way.

Silence! Only MAGATS can register conspiratorial complaints.

Rules for thee and not for me.

Trump will be out by February, either by "illness" or something else. Peter Thiel bought and paid for Vance and wants a return on his investment.

It really was that simple for Peter Thiel to buy a president in three easy steps. 1: Buy a US Senator in Ohio 2: Convince the Republican Presidential candidate to choose said senator as his running mate 3: After inauguration get rid of elderly president through an untimely death or having him step down for health reasons. Voila - you’ve bought a president to go hog wild with. While we were all laughing at JD Vance’s bizarre statements on cat ladies and awkward attempts at appearing human during the campaign I knew he’d ultimately have the last laugh.

And don't forget what everyone is pretending isn't happening: he's a sundowning 78-yr. old now in charge of planet Earth. Not the slick star of The Apprentice anymore

All he did on The Apprentice was pit contestants against one another in the fake boardroom. He lives for creating chaos and conflict. Oh and making people call him "Sir."

Bannon is facing jail and Trump can't pardon him.

The Trump circus can't get their shit together any better now than they did then. If anything, they hate each other even more.

Musk and Trump are unlikely to maintain a workable relationship.

Don't get me wrong, these are vilely evil people with destruction on their rotting minds, but the idea that they're going to be able snap their fingers and produce the Fourth Reich overnight - or even over four years - is pretty laughable on the face of it.

He had the house and the Senate last time. That didn't accomplish rat shit.

The only thing he's going to do is keep his sagging ass out of court. And maybe not even that.

VP Harris was trying to do everything to win so she closely aligned with Republicans and ignored Gaza. Millions of democrats were turned off and stayed home.

Do I agree with them? No, they are spoiled selfish cunts who can't see the fascist that is a clear and present danger.

Agreed, OP.

People this stupid, venal and inept will soon be at each other's throats. All it takes is one national emergency for them all to implode.

Look for it end like Nero.

Wishful thinking OP.