What is Kamala’s political future?

President of Howard University or University of California.

I typed HOWARD, not Harvard.

Similar to Al Gore's. The other young-ish VP who tried and failed. She's done in terms of national electoral politics. Maybe she can hone in on a specific mission or cause to champion as he did with climate change.

Please, no game shows.

Dancing With the Stars

Hillary 2.0. Expect her to disappear for a couple of years, then come up with a memoir.

Make Doug go back to work, sit back and live like a queen.

Her presidential career is dead. She did worse (by one) than Clinton.

She'll probably just leave politics entirely and the two of them will make millions. There's no good will or halo going to come from this loss (which I say as someone who thinks she ran a decent campaign and was the best option under the circumstances.)

But she's got to let go and so do we. Her collapse is complete.

I'm more interested in Pete's future, frankly.

r7 I said as much months ago when someone asked that question and I got attacked for being too vicious. But it's true, her political career is over.

R8, you may have noticed last night's election results. Pete doesn't have a political future.

I feel bad for walz

r10 I didn't say "political future", I just said "future" for a reason.

She’ll probably be happy that her political career has ended. She’s 60 years old and needs a cushier job. There are plenty of opportunities in the private sector.

R12, fair enough. Sorry, I missed the subtlety. I don't know what becomes of him. There's no political future in the short term. We don't even know what American democracy looks like in future. They talk of brain drain. I don't see it in the short term, but I wonder do the Petes and Kamalas and Obamas etc. just drift to other countries? A post at Oxford here, a gated luxury community there. I guess it all depends on how bad it gets. I don't think there's a short term rush for the exit but I do think there's a real risk people with money and intelligence may just quietly move on if it gets bad enough. I mean, why would you stay?

Do nothing.

R11 don’t feel bad for Walz. He was at the end of his political career as well. He gets to finish up being Gov of a state he adores. Then retire from politics as originally planned.

Dems have fantastic governors in place and we can take back the House in 2026. The Senate is a lost cause. Hope none of our SC justice die before January 2029.

Yeah, she's toast - which is too bad because she stepped up in a way that shocked everyone and I don't think there's anything else she could've done. But her national aspirations are over. As someone else noted, maybe CA governor

I think she’ll be done with politics. Would you really want to face the public again in another campaign after that loss? But CA Gov wouldn’t be a bad bet, but I’m sure she’s ready to return to CA and make some serious money.

Governor Walz has his lovely family and term left as governor so he’s going to be fine.

Both of them will be fine, but the sting will never go away for Harris. She and Hillary probably will grab a drink and have a nice LONG chat in the near future.

I just hope she doesn’t cry in the concession speak. Don’t give them the satisfaction!

[quote] I think she’ll be done with politics. Would you really want to face the public again in another campaign after that loss?

Yes.

I wouldn't count her out. Gore had had a longer national political career than her, so he isn't a good comparison. People as different as Biden and Nixon had been counted out numerous times.

Back to McDonald's?

She's done. This was the kind of outcome that will end her political aspirations. She will go into the private sector.

"We have him on the run now!"

I'm sorry, but Hillary needs to go away too. No more DNC speeches, ever.

I'm not even sure the Obama magic survives this.

And I hope Oprah's role in politics is over.

Do you think Doug beat her up for losing yet?

Sadly for her it's a humiliating defeat. I don't really see a political future left for her. But she will become a university president or something like that. But I'm proud to have supported and voted for her.

so stupid of her to appear on SNL

speaking of Gore...wtf has he been up to?

[quote]I just hope she doesn’t cry in the concession speak.

CRY? She'll be laughing her head off!

I don't think it was humiliating for her. I think she handled herself admirably. Too many people feel squeezed, don't believe Trump is who is and do believe his easy answers, so punished the incumbents, to whom they don't have a lot of loyalty anyway. It's pretty simple. She can hold her head up and she'll be counting her millions.

She shot her shot. She’s done. If she had been smart, she would have run for CA senator again.

I too am still proud of her. But I also knew that is she won this battle she’d lose the war in a way. Even the best estimates had a split congress. So, her entire term would have been like Obama’s second term, but unlike Obama, she wouldn’t have ever had the senate so her cabinet and judicial options would be limited to non-existent.

Knowing all that, she still forged ahead.

The only thing we could have done, is hold a primary given Biden’s age and hope another candidate would come up.

But even then. With the era we are in, Dems were in a terrible predicament

We will move forward with a new strategy and focus for 2026 and 2028. But this loss will be felt for the rest of our lives.

She and Walz’s political careers are dead. Obama is still the most influential figure in the Democratic Party but his influence will wan as the years go on.

She will write a book about this election titled "What Happened - Part 2".

She ran to be President of an America that doesn’t exist anymore.

See you at Costco. Behind the tuna sale display.

I see her becoming the Governor of California. And I also like the idea of being a university President. I think she would want to DO SOMETHING. And I think it may involve education of future leaders. Doug was teaching at Georgetown.

What's the course called? Don't Do This?

She should release a CD of her cackling Beyonce's greatest hits.

Maybe relocating to Australia.

I just want her to flourish in privacy. She is a brave person and she did everything she could while standing up in front of the whole nation under a vile onslaught of slurs hurled by the worshippers of a senile felon.

Shapiro must be breathing a sigh of relief.

^ same with Wes Moore

Let's prep Shapiro for 2028. Calling it now - he'll be the candidate.

As for Kamala, she and Sunny Hostin will start a new HBCU from the ground up. They will start with the bricks Sunny has been shitting all morning.

Dem scramble for 2028 should be interesting. Kicked off already, I should imagine.

I’m calling it now - Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, Moore, Beshear etc will all announce their 2028 campaigns next week.

The word “toast” comes to mind.

r46 I don't think so, you need to peak at the right time. Plus, there's so much that'll happen over the next four years you need to adjust to when it comes to your political message and come onto the stage with a finished product. They'll slowly start announcing in spring 2027, I think.

Will the dems run Biden again in 2028? He will still be eligible having only served one term.

R25, Doug is Jewish

Er, 60 isn't young, OP.

Her future - a failed Vice President. She can blame Walz, the celebrity surrogates, bombing on “The View” but the Biden Harris administration is a failed administration.

By any objective measure the Biden administration was highly successful. Voters punish incumbents for inflation which happened globally.

After two years of Trump, again, and considering that Trump killed all political norms, that Harris should announce her 2028 candidacy for president, NEXT FUCKING YEAR before the midterms. She has momentum. It will push Trump to be a real two term President. Trump was running for president since he lost. Nixon ran til he won. I think a year from now Harris announces for 2028.

[quote]She has momentum.

Babe, has last night registered yet? She got one less EC vote than Hillary. She trailed Biden's results more often than not.

She's a compelling person and she ran hard and respectably, but one thing she doesn't have is momentum. Come on.

And she needs to feed in her votes to Hakeem.

And she needs to go head-to-head with the Propaganda machine of Fox/OAN/Newsmax,

Nobody cares.

Fries are up!

[quote]She's a compelling person

How about a talk show?

Leading a university makes sense. If she wants to stay in politics, the only real option is a state governor. She's already been a Senator.

She obviously smart and ambitious. I think she ran an amazing campaign in the short time she had. The problem is she ran as the standard Dem candidate. Dems need to whip up the fear that the GOP does every single time so effectively.

How about acting? She's very pretty and has a banging bod!

Every state went redder except Nebraska and Delaware. Black and latino men loathe her. The only job she'll get is at Netflix just like the Obamas.

Before the election, I thought a loss would've been like Hillary's & she could've had the California gubernatorial race for the asking. But not after this shellacking.

While Marjorie Taylor Greene has been given another chance to rampage around in her customary manner. How disgusting is this country willing and able to be?!

See Mike Dukakis.

How about a song & dance act with Mike Pence?

R66, he became a professor at Harvard, I think. That seems like a respectable outcome.

[quote] She ran to be President of an America that doesn’t exist anymore.

Quote of the day right there.

I'm guessing Doug will go back to his law firm asap. He missed the work and he doesn't seem like the type of mope about. She will write a book and she can be brutally honest now that she's not worried about her political future.

I’m sure her ego will tell her to run for governor in California but the Democratic Party is done with her.

Cushy jobs on corporate Board of Directors, President of a University, talking head on TV, head of a non profit. She should be okay.

[quote] the Democratic Party is done with her

I'm sure there is a place in a deep blue state for someone who can draw 75,000 people out to a speech - if she wants it. She has never worked in the private sector so I can't see her doing that, they don't need the money. She is very attractive and was very personable on SNL and Colbert so maybe she'll do something in Hollywood.

Maybe she can find a nice lifetime Congressional district and become the new Pelosi.

Would she want to commute 3,000 miles from CA to DC again? Nancy has a Joan Rivers type drive so she’d walk it before she’d quit. I don’t see that in Kamala.

[quote]How about acting? She's very pretty and has a banging bod!

Incidentally, they should make a sequel to GAME CHANGE, which was about the 2008 election from the Republican point of view, mainly that Sarah Palin was supposed to be this big game changer as vice president and McCain still lost to the juggernaut Obama.

Only this time, it will be about the 2024 election from the DNC perspective, about Kamala attempting to be a game changer and losing to the juggernaut Trump.

High-paying speaking gigs and consulting. Writing books.

She will have a much happier like than she would have in the White House.

They live in LA and have deep Hollywood connections... she would be offered a fortune to do her own podcast or sign a development deal.

[quote] Incidentally, they should make a sequel to GAME CHANGE, which was about the 2008 election from the Republican point of view, mainly that Sarah Palin was supposed to be this big game changer as vice president and McCain still lost to the juggernaut Obama.

A far more entertaining film would be about Harris and her early years and what she did to get ahead. Like an R rated version.

[quote] I just want her to flourish in privacy. She is a brave person and she did everything she could while standing up in front of the whole nation under a vile onslaught of slurs hurled by the worshippers of a senile felon.

Kamala Harris is smart, dedicated and brave. She more than rose to the occasion but as r35 noted, this is no longer America. The influences of social media, corrupt billionaires, free-flowing misinformation and a dumb, unprincipled electorate have eroded this country beyond recognition.

What r79;said

Put more innocent black men in jail.

Don’t let Viola Davis play her in a movie.

She’s going to be the next Duchess of Prussia, Rose.

Is this Nancy Pelosi's last hurrah or has she got 2 or 4 years ahead?

This is not America

Nancy Pelosi needs to sit in a quiet room and read the Bible.

[quote] Nancy has a Joan Rivers type drive so she’d walk it before she’d quit.

Translation, please. Also, black and Latino men don't like the idea of a black woman President. It's not personal.

Black men - 78% - they don't like the idea of a black woman President

White men - 36% - tumbleweed

Black men are not the problem.

Nancy Pelosi has a similar deal to the one Rose Kennedy had with Satan, just with the facelift option.

[quote] Black men are not the problem.

White men are not part of the Democratic base, Black men are. So it is a big deal when you experience deficits with members of your base.

Latino men are the problem. I want to ask - don’t you have a bad ass mother?

She's 60. Are you joking, saying that's young for politicians, OP? Or what?

Shit.

Those of you saying she could make serious bank in the private sector - what kind of roles would she be looking at? That whole world is completely foreign to me. Do you mean she’d become a lawyer again at a top firm or something else?

Work those Hollywood connections, girl. Form a respectable hard hitting talent agency featuring Megan Thee Stallion and Cardi B.

I can envision Kamala going the Jimmy Carter/Al Gore route of starting a philanthropic organization that will have longevity and legacy. She’s an intelligent and attractive woman - the camera adores her - and would be an effective face for any endeavor like that and give her a real legacy, unlike being despised by half the population, which is every president’s fate.

There’s also potential Netflix deals and other entertainment opportunities, as mentioned.

She is going to be so much happier than being in the White House, where she would have been subjected to years of racism and sexism while nothing got accomplished, ala Obama’s second term and she would have been branded a failure before her first day in office.

Why wouldn't she just run again in 4 years?

It's silly to speculate over Kamala's future as though we know what our future portends after this "election." Kevin Roberts (the Heritage Foundation guy) scared the bejesus out of me when he said "We're having a second revolution that will be bloodless... if the left allows it" and what I fear is that the people have little idea of the shitstorm coming. We've crossed the threshold in which democracy — the "us" in USA — could protect us and instead, it has been turned against us. It's going to be a real eye-opener when the folks who voted for Trump realize that immigration has fallen off a cliff because there's no opportunity in the USA for anyone — other than billionaires. And by the time they, the working class, are being forced to pick the crops in the fields or in meat packing plants for subsistence wages (or perhaps no wages) because we've deported all the folks who were doing that work, and their replacements, that have come for decades to willingly do this work, aren't coming, it will be too late.

We should consider that at several points during the campaign, there were people on the right who praised slavery, most notably, North Carolina's gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson, but there were others. I even saw a podcast in which a conservative girl (and she was just a girl) said that she would be okay with bringing slavery back. While we've been discussing the intricacies of Trump's convictions, the right has been discussing bringing back the things that we have long considered shameful artifacts of our past. So much for "original sin."

Regarding Kamala's future, we're assuming Trump isn't going to have his political rivals executed. I fear a high-profile execution may be the beginning of the warning to those of us who would protest and fight. We're dealing with people who literally speak in biblical terms.

We are in for a shitshow unlike anything anyone alive has seen.

R94, for profit corporate board of directors seats can pull $300 to $500K per year. But it's easy for comparative nobodies to make a million.

"former House Majority Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri earned about $1 million in director’s fees last year. The 14-term former House member also tops the list of overall earnings since his retirement in 2005. He has picked up a total of $10.8 million in director compensation since then, according to the Bloomberg analysis, by sitting on a number of prestigious corporate boards including those of Ford Motor Co., U.S. Steel, Centene Corporation and CenturyLink."

Or she could become chairman of a major law firm... she wouldn't do anything except provide marquee value. Meantime, Doug keeps raking it in as an entertainment lawyer. Forbes estimated they already have a net worth of about $8M.

r97, if Trump can do it, why not Kamala, especially if he has got himself into trouble and cannot violate the 22nd Amendment and become dictator for life.

I really don't see her getting another job in Government. Trump did better with women than she did with men. She won women by 7 points. This shellacking makes Hillary and 2016 look like a success story.

The only political job she'd consider would be CA Governor. I haven't seen the data yet, I don't think they have finished counting. I guess her performance there will push her to or away from the job.

I can see Trump trying to investigate her for some BS.

And *quiet voice because I hate putting this out there* Had she beaten him 270/268 I would be constantly worried about her being shot and I hope she stays safe because the Veep does not have permanent SS protection, just a year I think.

You could read subtext in her remarks yesterday that suggested she intended to stay active in the public sphere and would seek to run again. I think it's hard for candidates couldn't win to be given a second chance but you can't predict these things. There's a lot of bench strength in the Dems. There's bound to be rivals and that's not a bad thing.

Don't you worry about this humble public servant. Those eight years were no problem and led directly to my $50Million Vineyard estate, fat Netflix and book contracts, summer vacations on my BFF's yacht, and perks like my kid's film internship with H Weinstein. It all works out

Gee , R99, I HAVE a net worth of 8 million, and I’m not supporting anyone.

She barely won New Jersey.

r63 80% of black men voted for Harris. How can they "hate" her.

[quote] I can see Trump trying to investigate her for some BS.

No. One of the benefits of not having done anything as VP is not having done anything illegal.

^ And you think that minor detail is going to stop the Trump goon squads?

At least we won't have to look at her homely stepdaughter anymore.

She could be a speaker in the lezbo Uni circuit and start a left wing bakerey in Oakland. The panther loaf.

Maybe get back into law.

I see a spot on The View!

Just saw this suggestion on Instagram -

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor retires.

President Biden appoints Kamala Harris to Sotomayor’s vacancy.

LOVE that idea R114.

But I think she'd make a great CA governor, though there are plenty of folks there who want it. But I think she's not done. She's pretty terrific.

R82, Kamala PLAYS HERSELF!

Better yet, R114 - Clarence Thomas drops dead next month and Biden appoints Kamala to the Supreme Court.

the republicans will block and delay a new appointment.

They don't have the votes, R118. But I don't think the Dems could corral their majority for this. But If they could, they would need to go for a much younger nominee.

She should have been Attorney General during Biden's Presidency rather than VP. She would have prosecuted Dump and he'd be locked up now.

If we go back 6 months, Kamala must have known in her heart that Biden would likely lose this year. She may have been thinking about 2028 or Governor of CA. And she likely had a plan for both. Or for something else. She and Doug will be devastated right now. They worked their asses off for 100 days, she had the world on her shoulders and now she has to just go home and …..that’s it. I’d crumble tbh but she’s a tough cookie. In time she’ll go back to her initial plan.

In her shoes I’d write a book. Use the money to buy a house in Santa Barbara and then go to Governor of California.

[quote] Why wouldn't she just run again in 4 years?

She’s free to let herself be humiliated in the primary process. She’ll be dumped a lot faster than Biden was this year.

None. She failed.

R1 Nobody will confused Howard with Harvard

R124 I suppose. After all, even you didn't, yet you conjugated a verb after a modal.

[quote] If we go back 6 months, Kamala must have known in her heart that Biden would likely lose this year.

Is there any record of a vice-president on a losing reelection team getting elected president? It's hard to believe that Mondale managed to get the nod in '84. Of course, he lost 49 states in the general election.

[quote]Maybe she can find a nice lifetime Congressional district and become the new Pelosi.

R73 no. She's not a natural politician, and she doesn’t have an ounce of the natural political talent of a Nancy Pelosi or a Willie Brown. She's extremely personable, but that alone doesn’t make a good politician. Regrettably.

Do you guys actually like Kamala? Come on now.

[quote] Do you guys actually like Kamala?

I can’t get the past the voice and the laugh. If she could get voice training and learn to control the cackle, I’d be willing to reevaluate her.

[quote] I’m calling it now - Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, Moore, Beshear etc will all announce their 2028 campaigns next week.

Earlier this year, the dean of Lansing political reporters, Tim Skubick, opined that he did not believe Whitmer, whom he has closely covered for years, dating back to her days in the state legislature, will ever run for president. And, obviously, that was before Harris's defeat. She has to know now there's no chance the party will take the chance on nominating a woman for president in '28. A problem for a party dominated by women.

R121 That reminds me of the 2013 documentary "Mitt". It shows him watching the results come in and realizing he is going to lose. And then the next day returning home to his empty house and it's like "now what?". It's fascinating how the defeated presidential candidate can go from being on the verge of being the most powerful person in the world to irrelevant in a few hours.

R131 Right! At least she has a softer landing as she’s still VP. Tim Walz is back on his couch probably wondering if he had a crazy dream.

Y’know from the moment she stepped out in the Delaware HQ to the very end she knocked every speech out of the park. Flawless debate. She looked presidential. You could see her fitting right in with other world leaders. Had Biden dropped out earlier, I think she would have won the primary. Everyone assumes it would have been someone like Shapiro who is better in small doses. His speeches on the trail get so shouty he would go hoarse. But the Dem base was really charmed by Kamala from Day 1. After the DNC we all thought she was going to be up by 6 or 7 at the end of September. Her rallies were huge. I can’t see 100,000 people turning out to hear Andy Bashir speak.

I want her to go on Hillary Clinton’s podcast and I want the two of them to unleash! Then I want the book that spills all the tea.

And I also want her to go back to Instagram and give us more cooking videos.

Well, Tim did go back to being Governor and living in a decent place.

[quote]I’m calling it now - Newsom, Whitmer, Shapiro, Moore, Beshear etc will all announce their 2028 campaigns next week.

Lay off the crack.

No woman is ever getting the nomination again.

R133 needs to grow up and stop speaking like a black drag queen.

The sewing circle

Growing bitter and writing books no one reads.

In 74 days, Vice President Kamala Harris will leave office, with no concrete plans about what to do next or how to proceed as a private citizen for the first time since she was elected San Francisco’s district attorney in 2003.

Her friends, aides and political allies have said in the hours since her loss to former President Donald J. Trump that it is too soon to even contemplate, let alone plan, the next phase of her life, except to say that the 60-year-old Ms. Harris will have plenty of options.

Like the defeated presidential nominees who came before her, Ms. Harris is experiencing incredible political whiplash. On Tuesday morning, she was the leader of the Democratic Party and widely seen as its future. By Thursday, officials were privately saying they expected her to remain engaged but assumed the party would want to move on from the Biden era as soon as possible.

“I believe that she is more respected than ever within our party,” said Lt. Gov. Eleni Kounalakis of California, a longtime Harris ally. “I think the question really is, what does she want to do? Right now I’m sure she is simply trying to process. But I have no doubt that she will have an answer to this in the coming months.”

Here are six options for Ms. Harris as she contemplates her post-vice presidency.

Bide her time and run again in 2028 Democrats have not exactly hungered for their defeated presidential nominees to try again. After her 2016 loss, Hillary Clinton came to be seen as a deeply flawed candidate. She has maintained a rapport with donors, but when it came time for the Harris campaign to deploy her as a surrogate, Mrs. Clinton held an event in Tampa, far from a battleground state.

John Kerry returned to the Senate and eventually became secretary of state. Al Gore briefly entertained running for president again in 2004 but later endorsed Howard Dean in the Democratic primary race.

There is no reason to believe Democrats are eager to anoint Ms. Harris as their 2028 nominee, especially given how comfortably Mr. Trump won the Electoral College. She received the 2024 nomination in part because President Biden dropped out of the race with too little time for the party to hold a proper primary election.

Yet four years is an eternity in politics. Ms. Harris has access to the party’s largest donor network and could bank on nationwide buyer’s remorse if the second Trump term is as chaotic and damaging to the country as she predicted.

Run for a lower office Returning to the Senate is theoretically an option, but it’s unlikely: Next year, California will have two senators in their first full terms who are unlikely to step down anytime soon.

California will also have an open-seat race for governor in 2026. Still, Ms. Harris might be reluctant to campaign against other Democrats like Ms. Kounalakis, who is already running.

If she did, Ms. Harris would not be the first vice president to run for governor of California after losing a presidential election. Richard M. Nixon was denied the presidency in 1960, then the governor’s mansion two years later. When he lost that race, Mr. Nixon proclaimed to reporters, “You don’t have Nixon to kick around any more, because, gentlemen, this is my last news conference.”

Six years later Mr. Nixon finally won the White House, though things did not go entirely swimmingly for him after that.

Join the private sector As she said repeatedly on the campaign trail, Ms. Harris has had one client her entire career: the people.

Plenty of people with lots of money and business in Washington and California would be happy for her to take them on as clients if she chose to join a law firm or lobbying outfit.

Cashing in after a career in Washington is such a well-traveled path that recruitment of retiring and defeated members of Congress begins well before they leave office. But while it would be quite lucrative, Ms. Harris would probably avoid going into lobbying or corporate law if she has any visions of running for president again.

Do advocacy work or join a think tank During Republican administrations, the Center for American Progress in Washington has become a holding area for future Democratic administration staff members and potential candidates.

But joining an existing think tank might be too small a move for someone who was on the verge of sitting in the Oval Office herself.

Standing up a new organization in her own image would also be an arduous task likely to require substantial fund-raising from Democratic donors who are burned out and angry about the party’s 2024 debacle.

Before she jumped into advocacy work or a think tank, Ms. Harris would need to decide what precisely she wanted to be advocating. Her presidential campaign was largely an exercise in promoting the policies of the Biden administration. In 2025, she will be free of that political straitjacket, and can again prioritize whatever issues she wants.

“She provides immense value to the party,” said Representative Barbara Lee of California. “Her background, her understanding of intersectional policymaking, and her ability to build coalitions are her biggest strengths. She is a fighter for the people. She has, and will continue to, help make life better for everyone, regardless of their background. Whatever she does next, I know she will continue to inspire.”

Write a book There will be no shortage of publishers interested in selling Ms. Harris’s thoughts about her experience in the Biden administration and running against Mr. Trump.

Hillary Clinton wrote a book titled “What Happened” after Mr. Trump beat her in 2016. Mr. Gore plunged into environmental advocacy and produced the documentary film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

How candid Ms. Harris might be about her feelings would probably be indirectly proportional to her interest in seeking public office again. But there will be enormous public interest in what she really thought about serving with an aging president and losing an election to a man she described as a fascist threat to democracy.

Practice self-care — and go for a hike About the only clue regarding Ms. Harris’s post-election plans is her apparent desire to spend more time with food not eaten on a campaign plane.

“I plan on putting on some pounds after this is over,” she said on Oct. 27 in Pennsylvania at a bookstore in Pennsylvania. “They’re working me to the bone.”

She could also emulate Mrs. Clinton.

Days after she lost to Mr. Trump in 2016, the former secretary of state was spotted by a fellow hiker on a trail outside her home in Chappaqua, N.Y. Bill Clinton took a photo that the woman subsequently shared on Facebook, where it went viral.

Ms. Harris still has 10 weeks left to reside in the Naval Observatory, the grounds of which are not known for good hiking. But Rock Creek Park in Washington is nearby, with miles of pretty trails for the vice president or her supporters to relieve their post-election stress on foot.

We still control the Senate. With Harris's vote. If Biden got rid of the filibuster and appointed her to the Court no one would be able to stop him. And he could expand the court instead of forcing Sotomayor to retire. I wish Biden would pass court reform, voting rights and reproductive freedom before he leaves office. He has 60 days.

Biden won't be doing her any favors. He seemed gleeful today and not a bit sorry she lost.

"She can go fuck herself!!!!!!!"

R142, the filibuster rules no longer apply to judicial appointments, so that wouldn't be an obstacle. But I don't think Manchin & Sinema would play along at this late date. I also don't know if Harris could vote for herself in the event of a tie.

R144 did she really say that about Harris?

Harris can run again in 2028. She has established herself as "Presidential", and Trump will break every so-called promise he made to help Deplorables. He will invite more plagues to our shores and he will render a huge share of the population destitute. He just needs a few more years to finally betray all of his supporters and break the spell.

Harris just needs to stick around. She needs to start her campaign in 2026.

A suicide mission, R147.

I’m a woman and I hate to say it, but we should nominate a man next time. A white man. A straight man. Seems like that’s only way we’ll win again.

[quote]But her national aspirations are over.

As are the Democratic party goals for the next 10 to 20 years.

It's not about how congress might flip in 2 years, not about who we might run in 4 years. In case you didn't notice THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS. They don't want a progressive, they don't want a woman, the don't want highly educated, they don't want to be forced to say them/they and anyone who supports Trans is dead to them.

I am not saying it's my choice but it's crystal clear if Dems want to win in 4 years, the ONLY way we can bring back lost voters is we need a White Male, Aggressive, Outspoken, Entertaining, Fast Talking, Anti-Trans, Influencer established on TikTok. Until we can produce someone like that, Democrats will lose again, again and again.

NYT: There will be some on the left who will say Trump won because of the inherent racism, sexism and authoritarianism of the American people. Apparently, those people love losing and want to do it again and again and again.

The rest of us need to look at this result with humility. American voters are not always wise, but they are generally sensible, and they have something to teach us. My initial thought is that I have to re-examine my own priors. I’m a moderate. I like it when Democratic candidates run to the center. But I have to confess that Harris did that pretty effectively and it didn’t work. Maybe the Democrats have to embrace a Bernie Sanders-style disruption — something that will make people like me feel uncomfortable.

Can the Democratic Party do this? Can the party of the universities, the affluent suburbs and the hipster urban cores do this? Well, Donald Trump hijacked a corporate party, which hardly seemed like a vehicle for proletarian revolt, and did exactly that. Those of us who condescend to Trump should feel humbled — he did something none of us could do.

But we are entering a period of white water. Trump is a sower of chaos, not fascism. Over the next few years, a plague of disorder will descend upon America, and maybe the world, shaking everything loose. If you hate polarization, just wait until we experience global disorder. But in chaos there’s opportunity for a new society and a new response to the Trumpian political, economic and psychological assault. These are the times that try people’s souls, and we’ll see what we are made of.

[quote] don't see it in the short term, but I wonder do the Petes and Kamalas and Obamas etc. just drift to other countries? A post at Oxford here, a gated luxury community there.

The Obamas are full on media grifters with Barack funding terrible movies to give his daughter a start in the industry and and Michelle becoming a boring version Frau version of Oprah, complete with Tyler Perry PR tours.

This is the 15th presidential election I’ve closely watched & with so many of them there has been handwringing that this is the end for the Democratic Party. But the fact is that Republicans regularly fuck up. And that will be even more true when they have total control of the government. A government led by a much-hated figure - even by many of his voters - like Trump. And in our two-party system, aggrieved voters will have no choice but to vote for the Democrats. The pendulum always swings back & forth.

This is the same feeling as when Reagan won, only worse. And that lasted 8 years. And he was not as strategically decisive as Trump. He was very popular with Republcans and had a good sense of humor. But unfortunately fear and hate run much deeper in American society and therefore it last longer and hits harder. I will be 10 years before Democrats get back in power no matter how many fk ups Republicans make.

And while Trump cant run a 3rd term, he 3 sons that are eyeing the same job.

R150, Oh I think most people, on the g round, are illogical. I had a Tea Party neighbor next door. This middle aged couple were active Republicans. They traveled to neighboring states to work on campaigns. The wife adored Sarah Pailin. Yeah. I would say hello to them. I don't "look Gay." After I took their measure I kept my distance unless we talked about our vegetable gardens. I was doing some yard work one day and she came bounding over to say hello. Startled me. "Rose," I haven't seen you for a while how are you? " Well, turns out the old girl had asthma and she said "I can't wait until I can get on Medicare. These inhalers are expensive." Now this bitch and her husband were actively fighting Medicare. She didn't seem to think what she did politically had any connection with her prescription drugs.

My point is people are illogical. They want the very things they claim to oppose. They want the good life, they want to go to nice parks and beaches. They want nice cars and clothes. They want a nice home. And yet they are too stupid and illogical to appreciate that their lives their jobs, their healthcare, their education, the environment, clean drinking water and decent roads comes with a price tag. All these fucking Republican governors and senators and House members are right now taking credit for Biden's infrastructure legislation as it benefits their states and districts. I hate these stupid destructive assholes.

3 sons that are eyeing the same job.

?? I fear four years. I fear nothing from Manny, Moe & Jack—don’t be absurd.

Under the Constitution, there’s nothing to stop her. Done & done…

“I also don't know if Harris could vote for herself in the event of a tie.”

There may be a Senate rule, R157.

There isn’t. You’re pretty dumb. In any case: Senate rules don’t trump the Constitution.

yes r146 she said it after Kamala called Joe a racist in that primary debate

I had a conversation with her during all of this (we have mutual friends in common). She's a very, very genuine person. She's extremely motivating. I think actually (she'll never do it) but.... I know it's lame but I kept thinking she has a talk show in her. But like I said she'll never do it.

Gov of CA isn't a bad idea. I'm concerned this experience is really going to make her not want to do any major political office again. Which is too bad because I really think she would have made a great President.

Hostess at Denny’s

R124 it's called autocorrect

[quote] I’m a woman and I hate to say it, but we should nominate a man next time.

Maybe get over your hatred of men, lady. Geez.

Why the unnecessary need for the ad hominem attack, R159. Surely you must be aware that the filibuster rule is entirely a Senate convention, whose origin is wholly outside the Constitution. And nowhere does the possible rule I mention violate any constitutional precept.

It wasn’t about the filibuster was it? It was a post about whether she could vote for herself to break a tie. No senate rule trumps the constitutional provision that the VP’s vote breaks the tie in the Senate. The end.

Dems need to nominate white dudes, that makes me sad but it's probably the only way forward. Then tell the minorities and women to shut up and sit down if they complain, there is no use in pandering to people who won't support them.

[quote] Dems need to nominate white dudes, that makes me sad but it's probably the only way forward. Then tell the minorities and women to shut up and sit down if they complain, there is no use in pandering to people who won't support them.

White men don't vote Democrat.

[quote]If she could get voice training and learn to control the cackle, I’d be willing to reevaluate her.

With all of her and Doug’s Hollywood connections, it’s surprising that voice training wasn’t a priority when she first got into politics on the national stage.

The 2028 race is going to a wide-open clown car show on both sides. There’s no clear Democratic front runner, and Shady Vance is a weak option on the other side who will be challenged.

I think she’ll want to continue in public service of some sort, since that’s always been her interest. I don’t see her joining a private law firm or going the academia route.

She seems passionate about victim’s rights, especially women and sexual abuse cases. I could see her starting an advocacy organization or policy initiative somewhere in that realm.

Ah, yes, I momentarily forgot about the constitutional role of the vice president to break Senate ties. But I do wonder if that power could be broad enough to enable a vice president to cast a vote for him or herself. Just as there is some debate among constitutional scholars about whether the a president’s absolute pardon power extends to self-pardons.

If Gavin moves on, she should always run for Gov of CA. Yeah it's a step down from VP but CA is like a country onto itself and it would be very receptive to her running there.

Gavin has no choice but to move on. He’s term-limited.

R173, after he lost the 1960 race to JFK, Vice President Richard Nixon returned home to California to run for governor in 1962. He lost, prompting the widespread belief that this loser’s political career was over.

And then look what happened!

Some Dicks are tricky.

She should shoot someone in the face!

[quote] minorities and women to shut up and sit down if they complain

Yeah because they are the real problem! Let's silence the 92% of black women, 88% of Jewish women, 78% of black men, 73% of Jewish men, 57% of college educated white women who supported us. Put them all in their place and then we'll surely sweep the white men. Those 75% of white men in Georgia will vote for Jewish Josh or San Francisco Gavin once we put those pesky broads and minorities in their place.

R173 It's a step down in prestige and glamor I guess. But it's a much more powerful job. And certainly a lot more challenging and interesting than being a muzzled VP who has to be loyal and subservient.

Her laugh is fine, I quite like it, because whatever it sounds like, a big part of what it sounds like is genuine. What I struggle with is when she lapses into her down home speak. Honey, you grew up in California and Montreal. It's like when Shapiro channels Obama. Children, just be yourselves.

Hey, I'm a White Dude!

DIdn't Nixon run for Governor of California after he lost in 1960? I was looking at the numbers and man, Nixon could have really put the screws to JFK if he wanted to. That election was CLOSE.

Once she reaches 80, she’ll be the right age to run again for President.

There's some funny quip about Maya Rudolf here but I can't quite figure out what it is.....DL bitches, help me!

The whole crew playing Kamala/Doug/Joe/Tim are done. They brought them in expecting a whole season of openings centered around these people. The guy playing Trump is not great and Yang's JD is ridiculous. Their ratings are going crash because their core audience does not want to see Trump every week and they are not ready to find anything funny or cute about the 4 years ahead of us.

When Nixon lost the California gubernatorial race in 1962, he promised, "You don't have Nixon to kick around any more, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference." Unfortunately, he lied.

And ABC, when the networks would actually devote time to such public affairs matters, ran a broadcast entitled, “The Political Obituary of Richard Nixon.”

Kamala's BIL makes 10 million per year at Uber. She write a book and then do something like that for 5 years. Retire at 65 fabulously rich. But I don't know if she is motivated by money. It doesn't seem like it because she's never been in the private sector.

Nixon was one weird, fascinating, fucked up individual.

[quote] Her laugh is fine, I quite like it, because whatever it sounds like, a big part of what it sounds like is genuine. What I struggle with is when she lapses into her down home speak. Honey, you grew up in California and Montreal. It's like when Shapiro channels Obama. Children, just be yourselves.

Harris was briefly in Canada and then immersed in the HBCU life. It is not an affect, that is her. The struggle for any female statesman is to present herself in a way that does not deflate male egos. This is very, very hard. Women that are type A -- aggressive, arrogant, assured and smart -- will always rise to the top and threaten men. Harris threatens men. HRC threatens men. Pelosi threatens men.

Harris had to contort herself into someone softer and palatable. She replaced her grimace and scowl with what she believed was a friendly, inviting laugh. She tried to shed her natural cynicism and replace is with "joy" (an illusion). That is what was unnatural about her. Her "down home" is genuine.

Yes, R190. And a closeted homosexual.

Feline rescue.

There is absolutely nothing to indicate Nixon was a closeted homosexual. Nothing. Nada!

Her collapse is complete. She will never be President.

I think Biden should put her on the Supreme Court. In fact he ought to force Roberts to resign (He's a crook) and make her Chief Justice. She earned it working for him and his mean spirited wife.

To R28, my ex-BF grew up in Washington DC& knows Al Gore very well.

Nobel Price Prize, Academy Award, Apple Board of Directors& I remember correctly, worked at Google 1st, paid him in Google stock. Divorced Tipper(marriage was over). Playing the field as a divorced multimillionaire str8 guy.

^^^^Plus Al Gore has a "prime-time Emmy"& Major climate change advisor^^^^

[quote] I think Biden should put her on the Supreme Court. In fact he ought to force Roberts to resign (He's a crook) and make her Chief Justice. She earned it working for him and his mean spirited wife.

Harris is an advocate not a jurist. She would loathe being on a SC with a conservative majority. She got the wind knocked out of her -- we all did -- but she will rise again.

[quote]And she needs to feed in her votes to Hakeem.

The next nominee must be a straight white man.

I fell in love with her during this election so consider me biased. But I think she should try for governor.

[quote]All these fucking Republican governors and senators and House members are right now taking credit for Biden's infrastructure legislation as it benefits their states and districts. I hate these stupid destructive assholes.

The problem with Democrats is their messaging. Where were the loud voices on the left taking credit for all these positive things they passed which actually helped real people?? All you ever hear from the left is "transphobia" and "genocide".

What R199 said. Doesn't anyone remember this same discussion after Hillary lost? Obama should put her on the supreme court. Sure.

[quote]Harris was briefly in Canada and then immersed in the HBCU life. It is not an affect, that is her.

No one acquires a voice affectation in adulthood that isn't just an affectation.

[quote] The next nominee must be a straight white man.

No. Obama came after two terms of Bush where everyone felt betrayed. Trump is going to cause so much ruin, poor people (white, wannabe-white and non-white) will finally see that while they were playing 'race' checkers, leaders were playing 'class' chess. Republicans, MAGA and Trump are NOT for the working class. A critical mass of the electorate will have the message after 4 years of term-limited Trump.

As I recall, at a few of his rallies Trump urged his supporters to just get out there and vote once more and you'll never have to vote again. WTF did that mean>?

[quote]As I recall, at a few of his rallies Trump urged his supporters to just get out there and vote once more and you'll never have to vote again. WTF did that mean>?

His campaign was trying to get low propensity voters to vote for him. As he said, he was asking them to vote for him this one election.

Agree r207. It sounded ominous like he was going to destroy democracy and install himself as a Putin-esque dictator (and he still could). What he actually meant is he could only run one more time and serve one more term and then he would never have to ask them to vote ever again.