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Trump’s second term will look nothing like his first

Donald Trump’s election victory will return him to the White House, but both his allies and detractors have made clear his second time around will look nothing like the first.

With the Republican Party now entirely his, its anti-Trump figures banished for good, Trump will enter the Oval Office with both the experience of having done the job before and a wealth of resentments over how he believes the system failed him.

That makes the coming four years uncertain ones that cannot be easily predicted by the first Trump presidency. His rival, Vice President Kamala Harris, tried warning voters of the risks. But to his supporters, the promises of fixing what he called a broken country — even if it means abandoning long-held principles — was the whole point.

Figures who once hoped to act as stabilizing forces — including a string of chiefs of staff, defense secretaries, a national security adviser, a national intelligence adviser and an attorney general — have abandoned Trump, leaving behind recriminations about his character and abilities.

They’ve been replaced by a cohort of advisers and officials uninterested in keeping Trump in check. Instead of acting as bulwarks against him, those working for Trump this time around share his views and are intent on upholding the extreme pledges he made as a candidate without concern for norms, traditions or law that past aides sought to maintain.

Trump’s axis of influence has shifted greatly since he left office in January 2021. While his daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, were once prominent campaign surrogates and senior White House staffers, they’ve since stepped away from the daily churn of politics. Ivanka Trump has made clear she has no plans to return to the West Wing, and while Kushner has been involved in the transition efforts, sources familiar with his thinking said he is unlikely to leave his private equity firm.

Instead, Trump has found himself relying on people like Donald Trump Jr., Elon Musk and Susie Wiles throughout his third run for the White House.

The former president also seems eager to reward those who supported him — like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. — even if their viewpoints exist well outside the mainstream. Despite his belief in vaccine conspiracy theories and his antisemitic comments, RFK Jr. said recently that Trump told him he would “fight like hell” for him if Kennedy wants to run the Department of Health and Human Services.

Stung by his experience dealing with agency legal offices, Trump will look to staff the government this time with lawyers who will work to find legal rationale for even his most radical ideas, rather than raise concerns.

Even now, Trump has skirted the conventional transition process and refused to sign ethics agreements that would allow his campaign to begin working with the Biden administration on the handoff, a process that typically starts six months before the election. The holdup stems from Trump’s deep mistrust of federal agencies, certainly those not run by his own loyalists. This means his team has not had to disclose donors to his transition process but has also been blocked from national security briefings and from receiving millions of dollars in funding to aid the transition.

As the struggle over the wording in the agreements has become protracted, resulting in the missing of key deadlines, Trump’s aides are unable to obtain security clearances. (Some have floated conducting their own without the FBI.)

In Congress, where moderate Republicans used to occasionally criticize Trump’s most outlandish behavior, fealty to Trump is now almost uniform among the GOP. Efforts to place limits on presidential power over the last four years largely fizzled, and anti-Trump Republicans have either retired or been voted out.

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by Anonymousreply 64November 16, 2024 12:09 AM

Federal courts have also been reshaped since Trump was in office, including at the Supreme Court, which now has a conservative supermajority that could potentially affirm actions that would have been overruled by the high court when Trump was first in office. He’s also reclaiming his position atop the federal government with a vastly expanded level of power after the Supreme Court ruled presidents have immunity from official acts in office. Trump’s win will likely allow him to wrangle out of most, if not all, legal cases that were facing him.

Perhaps most importantly, Trump himself has changed, people who know him say. He’s aged four years since he left Washington in 2021, and although he hasn’t released extensive details about his health, he has appeared at moments tired or unsteady.

He’s now a convicted felon, and he still faces dozens of other indictments in separate cases whose future is now uncertain.

And he’s become, in public and in private, consumed with matters of retribution in ways that weren’t as visible at least in the early days of his first administration. He is angrier and makes little attempt to hide his fury.

The four years of Trump’s first presidency were marked by constant staff churn, chaotic decisions based on whim and constant frustrations on the part of the president that the federal government couldn’t bend to his will.

For example, he grew irate at times at the Justice Department for failing, in his view, to properly investigate his political enemies or bring charges against them. And while he tried — and was later impeached for — working to overturn the results of the 2020 election, his efforts failed.

On policy as well, much of what Trump attempted to do was undone, either by aides who went around the president to blunt the effect of his orders or by incompetence by a staff that mostly came from outside the government.

This time, many of the guardrails against the most extreme actions Trump has proposed will be absent. And the people working for him have become more adept at pulling the levers of government to wield power more effectively.

Trump has a raft of executive orders, policy papers and regulation reversals ready to go as soon as he’s inaugurated, two sources familiar with the plan have said.

As they look to staff the new administration, Trump and his aides have made clear they are seeking loyalty above all else, stung by the high-level appointees that turned on Trump from the last administration. Trump has pointed to his personnel decisions as perhaps the biggest mistakes of his first presidency.

That means the staffing decisions this time around will be designed intentionally around individuals who will not work to undermine his agenda from within, an accusation Trump has made against those he fired from the White House.

by Anonymousreply 1November 6, 2024 12:11 PM

We knew that already, it's payback time. Expect Elon to gut federal agencies until there's nothing left. Can't even imagine what the country will look like in 2028.

by Anonymousreply 2November 6, 2024 12:13 PM

Me neither

by Anonymousreply 3November 6, 2024 12:15 PM

These people who voted for Trump really have no idea what they have wrought.

They've never lived in a dictatorship, or in a country where you have no rights and freedoms.

They're soon going to find out.

by Anonymousreply 4November 6, 2024 12:19 PM

Nobody knows what they have until they lose it. Many of those that voted for this monster today, will have buyers remorse tomorrow. Expect apologies and laments. Americans took for granted many things that they are about to lose soon.

by Anonymousreply 5November 6, 2024 12:23 PM

I can't believe he got the popular vote too.

by Anonymousreply 6November 6, 2024 12:33 PM

Yes, R6.

Still winning by more than 5,000,000 votes.

by Anonymousreply 7November 6, 2024 12:40 PM

This country got what it deserves.

by Anonymousreply 8November 6, 2024 12:40 PM

America is now a banana republic.

by Anonymousreply 9November 6, 2024 2:21 PM

This is Season 3 of the Trump Presidency, with a new cast.

Elon, RKJ, Vincent.

Nowhere to be seen at the recent rallies: Q anon signs, MTG, Karl Lake, the Pillow Guy, Matt Gaetz.

by Anonymousreply 10November 6, 2024 2:31 PM

[quote] Concentrating executive power at the cost of checks and balances. Fidesz party in Hungary has used its parliamentary majority to pass constitutional changes that centralize power in the executive branch, raising concerns about the state of democracy, which if there is any. Erdoğan, too, has expanded the presidency’s powers in Turkey, following a constitutional referendum in 2017 that transitioned the country from a parliamentary to a presidential system, which empowered Erdoğan with no accountable measures.

Another shared characteristic is the undermining of judicial independence. Orban’s government has implemented changes to the judicial system in Hungary, concentrating powers in the hands of the ruling party and raising concerns about the impartiality of the judiciary. Erdoğan’s government has undertaken a significant restructuring of the judiciary, leading to the removal of judges and prosecutors perceived as not aligned with the government’s agenda. When governments have the power to interfere with judicial independence, they unleash a great power that not only jeopardizes the core principles of a fair and impartial legal system but also poses a profound threat to the foundations of democracy itself.

by Anonymousreply 11November 6, 2024 3:26 PM

My Mum's fave post election quote:

"A Country gets the government it deseves"

by Anonymousreply 12November 6, 2024 3:51 PM

Day 1

He made even more loony promises this time than 2016. Any desperate lie to get elected and stay out of jail. He doesn't know how to make anything happen. And now that he won, he has no interest either.

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by Anonymousreply 13November 6, 2024 4:37 PM

In 2016 I knew his presidency would be bad, but it ended up that it was far worse than I imagined it would be. This time around I expect it to be a horror show of epic proportions. If it's worse than I'm imagining, and it probably will be, this country will be unrecognizable in a year's time. R1 lays it out pretty well. Fanatical religious extremists at the helm (JD and Project 2025 psychos joining those on the Extreme Court) and no guardrails like reasonably competent people inside his administration. Gormless voters fucked around and they're about to find the hard way that they're not going to be better off economically under 2.0 what with his planned tariffs and Elon's promised "temporary hardships".

by Anonymousreply 14November 6, 2024 4:37 PM

My Pillow dude could get a cabinet position!

Imagine that.

by Anonymousreply 15November 6, 2024 6:04 PM

He's gonna pardon all those Jan 6 dumb cunts

by Anonymousreply 16November 6, 2024 7:14 PM

he promised to deport 11 million illegals

by Anonymousreply 17November 6, 2024 10:42 PM

Just knowing that grifter family is moving back into the White House-PERMANENTLY is sickening.

by Anonymousreply 18November 6, 2024 11:34 PM

I hope it will be less chaotic than the first. Also, I hope that he follows through on the policy to deal with illegals aliens and fake asylum seekers. Immigration was the second biggest issue of the election after the economy. He has a mandate to act in this area,

by Anonymousreply 19November 6, 2024 11:39 PM

[quote] he promised to deport 11 million illegals

I don’t think it will end up being that many. I could see a policy that everyone who entered the country illegally or under a false claim of asylum from January 20, 2021 through current date would be subject to expedited removal. That would at least get us back to before the start of the open border policy.

At some point there will be a real guest worker program set up to allow some illegals to stay temporarily to do specific menial labor.

by Anonymousreply 20November 6, 2024 11:44 PM

Stephen Miller said they're already working on denationalization as well.

The leopard ate my face?

by Anonymousreply 21November 6, 2024 11:56 PM

The criminality will have zero shackles this go around.

by Anonymousreply 22November 7, 2024 12:00 AM

Surprise they don’t make English the national language

by Anonymousreply 23November 7, 2024 12:01 AM

I'm ready for him to just burn everything to the ground.

That's what MAGATS voted for.

Now I want to see it happen.

Complete chaos.

Burn it all to the ground.

I'm done.

by Anonymousreply 24November 7, 2024 12:07 AM

I am not tuning in. I just canceled my subscriptions to nymag and reddit. I have a legacy YouTube channel and I am considering closing that bitch too. No Twitter and I am thisclose to bouncing off datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 25November 7, 2024 12:15 AM

I “unfollowed” all political accounts on instagram. Don’t have Twitter or Facebook accounts.

Have threads and ready to leave that - it’s a poor substitute for Twitter in its heyday.

Still look at Reddit - but not a lot

by Anonymousreply 26November 7, 2024 12:18 AM

I've been voting for a long time and when my candidate didn't win, I was disappointed but knew that person wasn't going to end democracy. Can't say the same now.

by Anonymousreply 27November 7, 2024 12:33 AM

[quote] No Twitter and I am thisclose to bouncing off datalounge.

If you leave here, don’t think for a minute we won’t hunt your ass down and bring you back kicking and screaming. We need ALL of us here to commiserate together.

‘Sides, you’re hot.

by Anonymousreply 28November 7, 2024 4:23 PM

Maybe Rudy can be Attorney General.

Oh, no, wait. Tsk.

by Anonymousreply 29November 7, 2024 4:26 PM

America fucked around and we're about to find out in January.

by Anonymousreply 30November 7, 2024 4:41 PM

We all just have to hunker down. Work your asses off, make and save as much money as you can. The real estate market will probably crash. If you live in a hurricane or prone to natural disaster area move and work hard and save save save. Make sure your money is safe. If you're married make sure spouse is beneficiary on everything you own. Or better yet set up a trust. We will persevere. Democracy is an ideal, goodness is an ideal, being ethical is an ideal worth living for. Choose to be happy and loving but don't allow anyone or anything to take advantage of you. Star sober, level headed and at the end you will come out on top. Unfortunately the masses will go through a lot of pain but only though that pain will we see change. I had hoped for a different outcome but I will never give up on my ideals and all is not lost.

by Anonymousreply 31November 7, 2024 4:57 PM

Maybe economically it will be like the mid 1980s with material prosperity. Laissez les bons temps rouler.

by Anonymousreply 32November 7, 2024 5:08 PM

Lazy what now?

I think your keyboard broke.

by Anonymousreply 33November 7, 2024 5:51 PM

Laissez les bons temps rouler = "Let the good times roll"

by Anonymousreply 34November 7, 2024 6:05 PM

Can't wait for Melania's Christmas decorations!

by Anonymousreply 35November 7, 2024 6:37 PM

This is going to be hell. And I won't even have social security

by Anonymousreply 36November 7, 2024 6:49 PM

Will Barron finally break his silence?

by Anonymousreply 37November 7, 2024 6:50 PM

[quote] This is going to be hell. And I won't even have social security

It pays to have saved for retirement.

by Anonymousreply 38November 7, 2024 6:51 PM

[quote] It pays to have saved for retirement.

What about my OnlyFans subscriptions?

by Anonymousreply 39November 7, 2024 6:54 PM

I am saving for retirement. But SS is my money. And I want that shit back

by Anonymousreply 40November 7, 2024 9:00 PM

I'm wondering how they will unwind social security. Will all of us that paid in our whole working lives receive that amount plus accrued interest? Or will they just say too bad suckers, you get nothing? Or here's your amount in bitcoin?

by Anonymousreply 41November 7, 2024 9:38 PM

"Is Ivanka Trump a secret Democrat? No – and neither is Melania"

Some liberals have a weird urge, based on the flimsiest evidence, to see conservative women as misled victims of Maga men

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by Anonymousreply 42November 12, 2024 8:36 PM

[quote] If you leave here, don’t think for a minute we won’t hunt your ass down and bring you back kicking and screaming.

No, we won’t. We make sure the door hits anyone leaving DL on their way out.

by Anonymousreply 43November 12, 2024 8:44 PM

[quote]Stephen Miller said they're already working on denationalization as well.

Good lord, they ALWAYS overreach. Winning just isn't enough for them, getting to implement their agenda isn't enough. They have to go 10 times overboard with what anyone out there wants, or can afford to pay for - who's paying for all of this??

r20 describes a rational, Republican immigration policy, one that would fulfill their promises to the electorate but not gut our nation or economy. But nope, they'll go for the most insane, cynical, chaotic version possible.

by Anonymousreply 44November 12, 2024 9:17 PM

[quote] Good lord, they ALWAYS overreach.

In politics, you have to overreach so that you can negotiate down to what you actually want.

by Anonymousreply 45November 12, 2024 9:19 PM

Wtf r45? Miller and Trump don't have to negotiate anything, they just won the election and have a blank check in front of them to do whatever they want. They aren't overreaching because they have to negotiate anything, they'll overreach because they're stupid, vengeful pricks who don't know how to rein anything in, in any manner.

Miller thinks that denationalizing illegals will make them more popular with the people - it will with some of the hardcore base, sure, but I don't know if the general public/non-MAGAs would approve. Especially when they find out how much it will all COST.

by Anonymousreply 46November 12, 2024 9:23 PM

Stephen Miller is sadistic.

by Anonymousreply 47November 12, 2024 9:24 PM

[quote] Miller and Trump don't have to negotiate anything, they just won the election and have a blank check in front of them to do whatever they want.

As we’ve seen in the past with both the House and the Senate, Republicans don’t all fall in line, and with the small margins, a few wayward members can detail the plan. It’s not a totally blank check.

by Anonymousreply 48November 12, 2024 9:42 PM

One feature of fascism is using the democratic process to achieve power, but once in power the object is to dismantle the democratic process that brought you to power.

This is frightening.

by Anonymousreply 49November 12, 2024 11:51 PM

Terrible

by Anonymousreply 50November 15, 2024 6:18 AM

Bet nobody had “wishing that George HW Bush was in charge again” on their bingo card….

by Anonymousreply 51November 15, 2024 11:29 AM

Actually it looks a lot like his last term so far.

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

by Anonymousreply 52November 15, 2024 11:33 AM

Never underestimate the fact that trump will fuck this up. Despite his good fortunes, he laws finds a way to cancel them out.

He has never in his life been able to get beyond par.

Everybody around him has succeeded but he’s always sabotaged himself. He can’t let himself succeed past his own low self esteem.

by Anonymousreply 53November 15, 2024 11:37 AM

He's going after those who fucked him over....that's for sure

by Anonymousreply 54November 15, 2024 2:26 PM

That's the fear r54. Those that "fucked him over" include his former political opponents and their supporters. It includes just about everyone in the country who isn't MAGA.

It's the vindictive, nasty, crazy side to Trump that I hate and fear the most. His creepy, unqualified lackey hires are bad enough, but his now-aging, obsessively vengeful personality is what will really ruin everything.

by Anonymousreply 55November 15, 2024 5:15 PM

[quote]He's going after those who fucked him over....that's for sure

Both the Republicans and the Democrats are now telling the other "fuck around and find out". Of course, now the Republicans have the power to actually carry that out. Everyone is in revenge mode.

by Anonymousreply 56November 15, 2024 6:57 PM

He wasn’t elected to punish his enemies. He was elected to keep prices low. And because people ,got tired of the Democrats. That’s it.

by Anonymousreply 57November 15, 2024 7:04 PM

Watching the latest news it feels like virtual tanks rolling down the streets of our communities.

by Anonymousreply 58November 15, 2024 7:57 PM

And you think that matters to him, or anyone, r57?

Such a sweet kid you are.

by Anonymousreply 59November 15, 2024 10:21 PM

[quote] Watching the latest news it feels like virtual tanks rolling down the streets of our communities.

Anything else going on in your brain that people should take note of?

by Anonymousreply 60November 15, 2024 10:25 PM

[quote]Everyone is in revenge mode.

No, not everyone is in "revenge mode", just Trump and his skanky minions, who are going to waste all the new goodwill they have as a new incoming administration, as well as a lot of money, exactly retribution and revenge against their perceived enemies - aka any Democrat who ever criticized him.

by Anonymousreply 61November 15, 2024 11:38 PM

And r57 is correct, he was elected to do two main things: get ahold of the immigration situation and lower prices or at least keep them as low as possible (ie, totally arrest any new inflation). Both very difficult tasks at hand.

Any major moves off this course will not boost his approval rating, which most here will recall was in the basement by the end of his 1st term. Also any major moves toward dangerous retribution, such as silly arrests, turning the military against civilians, or other similar actions, will destabilize the markets immediately and REALLY piss off those who matter, such as Republican backers and donors. Those are the people who matter most to Trump and Co., and who are really pulling the reins there.

by Anonymousreply 62November 15, 2024 11:43 PM

[quote] No, not everyone is in "revenge mode", just Trump and his skanky minions

Even if the only site on the internet that have visited since the election is DL, you still would have seen all the calls for revenge against Trump voters, so that’s not believable that you actually believe that.

by Anonymousreply 63November 15, 2024 11:56 PM

And how the heck would anyone here exactly know who was a Trump voter, and what kind of "revenge" are you talking about? Not grabbing morning coffee with that conservative co-worked of yours, for the next few months? Not too damaging there. DL is full of big talkers and venters, but no people who tend to go out and actually do what they muse about.

99% of Democrats would have been thrilled with a Harris win, and would be looking ahead to how that would be looking in our country, and not sitting around wasting their time poking at opposition voters - this is the KEY difference between Dems and Repubs: the vengeful attitude.

The Repubs, on the other hand, are shaping up to be hellbent in victory, to damage and harm their opponents. We're talking job or income loss, professional or legal harassment, potentially law enforcement harassment on a widespread scale. This is a WHOLE OTHER LEVEL than anything a few bitter Dems might think up.

by Anonymousreply 64November 16, 2024 12:09 AM
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