Kamala wasn't the problem, America is.

Agreed.

When Hillary lost, a female friend told me this country will not elect a woman as a US President.

She is right. I’m thinking of her now and she’d kindly gently say to me “ I hate to say I told you so….”

We have been broken since 2015. Mitch McConnell and the GOP literally STOLE the Supreme Court in broad daylight. We watched it happen.

I have no problem agreeing with you, R1. My aunt said the same thing years ago.

It’s not their femaleness. Hugely sexist countries have had female leaders.

It’s about Obama. All of this sprang out of the Tea Party and the fact that America is not mature enough to deal with a black leader. Centre-right Obama was considered a Marxist. It’s ridiculous and it will never stop being ridiculous.

Forgot to add, OP, that what I wrote at r1 is just one aspect to your larger point.

Trump encouraged his followers to commit violent, deadly theft of 80, 000, 000 American votes.

And now he’ll falsely utter another oath of office.

That’s on America, not him.

He also encouraged a failed insurection only four years ago.

CNN are using the terms "sweeping victory" and "mandate" and they're right.

Agreed R4 but you're deliberately omitting the rampant racism. It drove those people insane that a black family dared to be inside the White House.

The problem is not America

The problem is late stage capitalism

Late stage capitalism was triggered by the 2008 financial crisis. Obama was the symptom, as is Trump. Two unorthodox politicians who campaigned in abstracts. The country oscillates between two poles seeking creative solutions for an unfixable problem.

The United States will not return to “normal” because this is now “normal”. The pendulum will swing wildly until the robots achieve sentience and decide they need to end us all.

Late stage capitalism is impacting on the world, but the United States is the only English speaking nation that would ever elect a man like Trump.

Clearly the US has unique issues.

Trump represents the fraud the United States is. That’s all there is to it.

[quote]Trump represents the fraud the United States is.

And the cruelty towards others which is the United States R11.

R1 I want to go back and show you some of the posts you wrote back in April

You were told exactly what would happen

Now you want to blame America

You are just as responsible for this as anyone who voted for Trump.

As I said in another thread, this attitude is exactly why they will keep winning. Some of you folks need to do some self reflection.

So true. Remembering the way 2016 really happened. Trump came down that gold escalator in May 2015, announced he was running for President... and most of us who vote Democrat just laughed. And then WHOOSH within a couple of months a huge segment of America had gravitated to Trump and begun to venerate him. Like an instant school of fish. THEY did this, his base, even more than Trump did. And they did it because they had been shaped to want this. Shaped and conditioned for years by Fox, by Rush Limbaugh, by the full infiltration of far right wing politics into their churches and communities. Shaped and conditioned.

[quote]As I said in another thread, this attitude is exactly why they will keep winning. Some of you folks need to do some self reflection.

What should everyone self-reflect about R14?

[quote]And the cruelty towards others which is the United States

Of course. America is set up for the rich by the rich. Everyone else is just fighting for scraps. That's the mentality of most Americans because a large majority of them are fighting just to survive. Just to put food on the table. Others who are middle class realize this and want to stay middle class. They don't want to lose anything.

Let's not forget the immigrants and price gouging were MAJOR factors in the election. And when asked about the high price of groceries, President Biden just LAUGHED. People are BROKE and can't afford groceries and Joe Biden LAUGHED.

And trump isn't going to do anything to help the average citizens, but he can at least get a fake message across that he plans to help people. He's able to make people think he will help them.

The average citizen did not like Kamala Harris. She accomplished nothing, except allowing millions more mostly male immigrants to swarm through the border. Most Americans are against these immigrants. The democratic politicians don't care if people are against them. They care more about the immigrants. Trump being against the immigrants makes the average citizen feel like he cares about them. It GALLS the average citizens to see democrats throwing BILLIONS and BILLIONS at the ungrateful immigrants. That's one of the exact reasons so many voted for trump or just stayed home & didn't vote. And after this election loss, the democrats won't change at all. It will be more of the "same old, same old" with the democrats. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT. They want change, even if it's bad change (with trump).

That's the truth.

It was not Harris’s fault. She wasn’t a perfect candidate, that doesn’t exist. But she did fine. A different democratic candidate probably would not have won unless they really broke with what democratic candidates have been doing.

People know Trump is always hyperbolic and frequently lies. They adjust for it. So they aren’t worried about what he might really do or what his secret motivations are. He’s horrible, but it’s a case of what you see is the worst case scenario.

1. Why is Biden still president? Who is really running the country? This made Harris look bad because she seems complicit. I think she is blameless because she would have come across as a power hungry bad guy if she tried to “seize” power. But she should already be president. That didn’t happen and it made some people suspicious. This was a lose lose situation for Harris. Biden should have dropped out of the presidency, not the race.

2. Americans don’t like illegal immigration, Harris should have voiced her plan more aggressively and put republicans on the spot preemptively. “This is what I am going to do and if the republicans try to block it - blame them. And, BTW, some stuff is going to cost more. Including food. But my plan will cause less inflation and chaos than Trump’s, especially since who knows what he will actually do?” Own the inflation issue and argue it with common sense. This should have been 90% of what she talked about from the second Biden dropped out.

3. A less nuanced version of (2) - Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of voters showing ID. Make that happen. What are you afraid of if that happens? What’s the big deal? People can argue about the theoretical example of a 99 year-old who no longer has a driver’s license, but on a practical level 80-90% of Americans are Ok with the tiny minority of people who find getting a government issued ID challenging being unable to vote. Why not do this and inspire confidence? Being reluctant to do this makes conspiracy theories about election fraud easier to believe. Prove that those theories are nonsense. This was such an easy potential win.

4. People don’t care what Trump says. They discount it. What he does is a little different. More focus on his financial shenanigans (especially Jared’s dealings) would have been good. Biden couldn’t fully exploit this because, Hunter. But Harris seems above reproach. This is maybe another area where being tied to Biden hurt her.

He should have been easy to beat, but Biden’s debate performance complicated things. A more productive path forward would blame Biden and his handlers. Not the swing voters who said, “WTF?”

Looking back, a lot of us had a blind spot about Biden's abysmal favorability rating. It was already in the negative teens heading into that disaster debate of June 27. You can't win re-election with those numbers.

The post-COVID inflation spike really hurt, long after it simmered down, and Biden took the blame and still does. Wrong or right. Kamala Harris gets a 10/10 for her campaign, but she was facing too many headwinds. Not just racism, and that's all too real. Not just misogyny, and that's also all too real. But Kamala Harris is absolutely tethered politically and in reputation to Joe Biden, and too many voters saw it that way. They didn't see her as new and fresh like Barack Obama in 2008. They saw her as Biden's VP and they strongly do not like Biden.

We are no longer united, that’s for sure.

R8, the rampart racism was my point, and it started with Obama. Kamala Harris just reminds them of him.

Remember than a majority of Americans voted for Obama. And apart from the Tea Party lunatic fringe, middle Americans became horrified by lack of “gratitude” showed by the black community, and further minority groups, in the years that identity culture became mainstream on the right and political correctness morphed into wokeness in the left.

I know liberal white women who spewed venom about “old white men” are now fully MAGA. Younger left-wing generations who couldn't afford houses and grew up on tumblr didn’t sign on with their Sheryl Sandberg/white CEO/ethical slut feminism, and they felt left behind.

Because white women don’t want liberation for all women and all underserved communities; they want the power of white men.

She didn’t lose by much. Shit like this didn’t help. A foreign student registered to vote with his student ID.

Rejoice. The country so quick to call every other a 'shit hole country' is now the #1 Shithole Country. A shit hole soon to be run (again) by shit holes...and proud of it.

I don't think Bob Menendez was a fluke, other than he was caught. I think they ALL get suitcases of cash and gold when they get to D.C. I really do. The elected officials and the cabinet members. We have all been sold out to corporations and foreign nations. How do they end up with mansions and vacation homes on a 200,000 salary when their previous salary was 122,000 and their salary before that was even lower?

Of course it's the fault of the voters--allowing this felon to be voted into office? But let's blame Biden, Kamala, Latinos, trans--everyone but who voted the Dump cunt into office.

What a loser country.

Mum said " A country gets the government it deserves".

In what kind of country are we living? I have very little in common with most of it.

Apparently most voters don't care about electing a criminal, one who incited an insurrection, led a cult, broke the law and one who aspires to be an authoritarian. Most voters don't understand corporate greed because the president has no control over the price of fucking eggs. They are willing to sacrifice NATO, give upon Ukraine. They are willing to vote for a convicted felon who was running to stay out of jail. Trump is stupid beyond words. He doesn't care. And neither do the people in this country. They didn't want to elect a woman who is qualified, decent and worked toward American ideals that no longer seem to exist. It's disheartening and a disgrace.

[quote]Mum said " A country gets the government it deserves".

R26. No, it doesn't. There are still at least half the country that does not deserve this tragic and horribly sad election. There are millions who worked, voted and fought not to have Trump. Your mother is wrong. So very wrong.

It is a loser country. Just a heap of filthy white trash.

We are a loser country.

Who will emerge in the coming years as the new leader of the Democratic party? We better figure that out BEFORE the 2028 primaries.

R29 I wholeheartedly agree. Americans are a bunch of self-absorbed and willfully ignorant trash.

Yes and no. I think she was qualified and capable, but the only reason she got the VP gig in the first place is because Biden wanted to appeal to the woke mob. “I’m gonna pick a black woman.”

That's a stupid assessment. Of course, Kamala was to blame for her loss. She wasn't a good candidate. She was propped up by the networks, celebs, and social media. Your comment abour America has some truth, but absolving the candidate of any blame? Not a logical statement.

So Dump and January 6 and the voters who voted for him,their stupidity and entitlement, are exempt and meant to be humored, R34?

The question was: it has nothing to do with the whims of a stupid electorate, R34? Answer the question.

R34 either chooses not to, or is incapable of answering a direct question: is it an idiot electorate who goes with a traitor after Janaury 6, or it's Kamala Harris's "inability" to change the minds of idiots?

According to R34, it was Harris's inability to persuade idiots who already made up their minds, not Dump's criminality, the SCOTUS decision to exempt him, or an idiot electorate, that's the problem. Right, R34?

I honestly think part of the problem is the fact that America can’t stop talking about and obsessing over race. If you keep talking about white vs black vs Asian, etc, people are only going to see Kamala as a black woman.

One hundred percent. Harris ran a great campaign, yet she didn’t lie and that was her downfall. . . . .

R34 can't seem to answer direct questions being put to her. Just like a MAGAt.

Stay rich in the suburbs, folks.

R34 is a coward who won't answer a direct question. Don't let the cunt off the hook. FF her.

Kamala did herself no favors picking Walz (who couldn't even carry his own home state). She should have picked Shapiro or Buttigieg.

Joe should step down tomorrow, making Kamala POTUS for a little while at least. Republicans heads would explode. Do it for the home team, Joe!

Yeah, R44, that would have solved the problem--not the idiots in swing states.

I will never be convinced that Harris had a fair chance. I wish Biden had chosen not to run from the beginning. But I also can't name anyone that I can honestly say would have beat Trump based on the over performance of support he got from surprising demographics. I am no political scientist and I have lived and worked in coastal cities, so maybe I am coastal elite (minus the millions). That said, I was looking at some data today and did not expect to see the number of latino red votes and another demographic segment called "All Other Races" (all races other than white, black and latino). And I couldn't believe how many voted red. Now I just dread having to listen to his voice for the next 4 years and will likely pay attention to the daily news much less. It just gets so damn old.

The Democrats stopped trying in states like Ohio and Sherrod Brown is proof of it. Dems stopped trying in rural Michigan countries. Pennsylvania is possibly salvageable. Kamala ran a swing state campaign. That isn't how you broaden the party. You cannot keep counting on the gay voters when only ONE letter of the LGBTQ seems important. You cannot keep bringing out Oprah and Obama to tell people who to vote for when you didn't do anything to earn their vote. Even Michelle Obama didn't act like she wanted to be there.

So, R49, that's why why all the swing voters chose to ignore January 6 as insignificant? Because Dems cared about trans, not because the swing voters didn't give a shit and made their minds up already, regardless of anything else?

r44 of course he carried his home state. What are you talking about?

Answer the question, R49.

R18: Adopting voter ID wouldn't win us the election. Stop being twee, sweetheart.

There was never any excuse to vote for Dump. Period.

R50 = I don't owe you an answer. You only want a response so you can fight. Sorry. but I'm going to have to deprive you of the opportunity to argue with me. You don't want to fix anything. You just want to keep heaping Trump Bullshit. You learned nothing from Election Day.

So, R49, you're a coward who won't answer about January 6--you're fine with insurrectionists. Your non-answer is an answer. Your obsession is trans people.

R49 is a January 6 supporter.

[quote]Kamala did herself no favors picking Walz (who couldn't even carry his own home state).

Neither could Trump.

R55 is on the record as a Capitol-rioting supporting MAGAt who supports killing Capitol police.

[quote] There's something seriously wrong with America if it's prepared to elect someone like Trump. America is broken, there's no way around it.

Media plays a big role. We also have fucking dumb citizens. And traitorous government officials here and there.

And Russia has been trying to influence us for years. They really started succeeding when Trump arrived on the scene. Now with Trump in the US splitting America apart, and the German government falling apart and regrouping, all the "traffic cops" of the world are distracted, and Russia and China will do what they fucking want to, without sanctions or repercussions.

R55 is pro January 6.

OP correct and I will never be part of that broken America. Feel sorry for democratic officials in and out of US who have to congratulate and suck up to this criminal. President Zelenskyy-that poor man. What is he to do?

Why don't you ask r55 how she feels about the fate of Ukraine and Zelensky, r62?

R61 = You have been bouncing around DataLounge for HOURS "demanding answers" from myself and other posters about your fucking Trump obsession. Sorry. I don't want to rehash January 6th the day after Kamala lost. Everyone knows Trump is an incompetent asshole. We ALL know it. Do you think repeating that helps anything? Seriously. What the actual fuck is wrong with you? You are trying to pick fights on Datalounge with strangers. And you think TRUMP is the crazy one? I was talking about Ohio turnout and YOU started talking about January 6. You are crazy.

She was a poor candidate. She had one of the lowest approval ratings of any Vice President in history, and her speeches were dollar-store Obama knockoffs. I never heard much genuine enthusiasm for her as vice president on this site, and barely any as a presidential candidate.

So, R64, January 6 is meaningless?

I don’t hear social medial radicalization, with hypno shows like Rogan and the like are getting enough blame for stealing our male youth away from us.

We need them to contribute to society, to protect society and honor and uphold civility. and not spend all day being brainwashed by Silicon Valley.

And, R65, Dump and his crimes were less important than how Harris ran her campaign?

R65, just to remind you--January 6, stealing documents, trying to blackmail Zelensky AND trying to steal the 2020 GA election results--that means nothing?

R34 here, to all who responded to my comment: you all live in an echo chamber. You don't seem to understand nuance. The woman was an incredibly unpopular VP until she replaced Biden. I like her and think she is a smart and capable woman, but I don't fool myself into believing she didn't contribute to her loss.

[quote] You don't seem to understand nuance.

R70, you couldn't possibly, with a straight face, level that accusation against Dems in defense of Repugs--or are you saying Repugs are masters of nuance?

Kamala was a DEI hire, plain and simple. Biden actually said that whoever he picked was going to be a black woman, and that’s the only reason she got the VP gig. And just like the corporate world does with its DEI hires, America gave her the boot.

I’m not saying she isn’t smart or capable, but she wasn’t a great candidate.

So, R70 and R72, Dump, with all the crimes we know he's committed, is somehow less to blame for Kamala losing the election that he is, is that correct?

R73 Absolutely. Trump is an absolute bottom of the barrel piece of shit. How can you not beat that?

R70/R72, is criminality irrelevant?

R75 What the fuck are you talking about? Trump is a criminal and the people who voted for him are idiots. But what does that have to do with Kamala? She lost against a low life like Trump because she was unpopular and she ran a shitty campaign.

I'll ask again, [R70]/[R72], is his criminality irrelevant?

It would all be a moot point if Democrats had chosen a stronger candidate. Trump would now be behind bars and Dems would have won the electoral college, popular vote, as well as the House and Senate.

R78, no matter who the Dem candidate was, Trump would not be behind bars. It's not because the Dems had not chosen the stronger candidate. It boiled down to the whims of the swing states. Stop pretendimg otherwise. Grow up.

R77 = Manless. Has framed photos of his mother in his bedroom. 6 cats. House smells like pine scented candles.

Ohhhhh! Apparently, according to genius R78, if the Democrats had chosen a stronger candidate, thse 3 things would have magically happened:

[quote] Trump would now be behind bars and Dems would have won the electoral college, popular vote, as well as the House and Senate.

Who knew those 3 things would have happened--especially the first, that he would be behind bars as we speak? In spite pof the fact that he has avoided being behind bars forever? And yet, it was ALL Kamala's fault!

So, R78, Trump's ascendancy is ALL the Dems' fault--not the swing states that planned to vote him back in all along?

Sorry, 5 things would have happened! If only the DEI-hire Kamala had not been SUCH a sub-par candidate, this would have happened: Trump would now be behind bars and Dems would have won the electoral college, popular vote, as well as the House and Senate!

Because there's NO accountability for him, or his cult. It's ALL her fault!

R, 73!

That was for R73.

Any contingent of the population, especially half the population that would vote for him despite January 6 and all his crimes, IS the problem.

As overwhelming as Tuesday night was, I'm absolutely stunned to keep reading here and elsewhere that the election results are some sort of reckoning for the Democrats and that we now have to do some soul-searching to figure out "what we did wrong." Because people seem to feel that the Democrats forced them to vote for Trump because we didn't try hard enough to make them feel good about voting for Harris. The laundry list of objective reasons that disqualify Trump for any rational person isn't enough, they needed to be coaxed and swayed and courted to be adults and make the most responsible choice. It's like saying, "The only choices for dinner were a hamburger and a shit sandwich, but I wanted boeuf bourguignon, and since you didn't serve it I ate the shit sandwich and that's all your fault!"

If you voted for Trump, don't blame anyone but yourself. And if you're unhappy with the results in a few years, don't blame anyone but yourself.

R86 Don't worry. They'll blame Kamala and Biden anyway. And probably throw a little Obama blame in there too. Plus Pelosi blame. And Trump loyalists will line up for shit sandwiches if he told them too.

Can we talk a little about Tim Walz? Was he ultimately a good VP pick? Did he influence any Kamala-haters to vote Dem? Does the VP candidate really matter?

Though I was a big fan, I'm not sure Tim ever recovered from that galumphing appearance at the VP debate.

Tim Walz? HE was the problem, R88?

BLACK was the reason.Most of Amercia hates blacks in any authoritative position.Kamala is black=Trump

Tim made no difference-don’t dwell Mel.

I'm gonna get down voted to hell for this, but every white person has had an experience with an uppity and loud black bitch. And as a person who has been in retail management for years, they are the ones who cause the most problems with theft, screaming for a manager, etc. Ironically, it's not usually a white Karen talking shit to a cashier. And every time many whites look at Kamala, that's what they remember. I'm sorry, but there will not ever be a black female potus in the USA.

Oh, R92, so THAT's why Harris lost? Because "every white person has had an experience with an uppity and loud black bitch"? Well, hunty, I've had plenty of experiences with loud white bitches. I've also had the same with loud white men. Your analogy is stupid and meaningless, but I guess you're not as completely stupid as you type, because you seem to know that already.

'America' was cursed from the beginning. The "Indian" holocaust and black slavery is baaad karma. Now the Devil has come home...

I feel Kamala's celebrity endorsements hurt her. Every time I read something about her it was almost always about who was endorsing her, whether it be Cher, Billie Eilish, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Jamie Lee Curtis, Eminem, Usher, Stephen King, Beyonce, etc. It always felt like it was more about them than it was about Kamala herself. They never heard about Kamala's plans or policies, just who was endorsing her because these media outlets felt like that was what's important.

And the voters don't care about these multimillionaire celebrities think they should do with their lives. They know Jamie Lee Curtis grew up with rich parents and has never once had to worry about whether or not she'd have enough to make rent, groceries, and bills for the month, so can't relate to their problems and she wants to tell them how they should vote? So no major celebrities wanting to touch Trump with a 500 foot pole (for obvious reasons) actually worked to his advantage in the long run. It made it so he could say "I'm for people like you, not rich stars."

They sure loved seeing Elon Musk and I would argue that he is one of the biggest celebrities in the world. So is Joe Rogan. They have no problem with filthy rich trust find babies telling them who to vote for as long as it's Trump.

The majority of Native Americans voted for Trump. Any thoughts why?

Maybe it was the Democrat Party that is the problem. What does the party even stand for anymore? So hung up on things that simply didn't resonate with the vast majority of the country. I knew the pendulum was swinging back but had no idea it would be a colossal wrecking ball. I think the entire Democratic party leadership should be scrapped. Needs a total redo. More in touch. More relevant. Less woke. So many voters used the words "too woke" in response to why they didn't support the blue ticket. The Latino voter is strong in numbers and it's like the Democrats don't even know them. Latinx? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. Bunch of dumbasses.

That's a vague and meaningless statement - we're facing a complex network of serious problems with over a century of history to each of them. The simplest answer is exactly what Bernie says. The overwhelming majority of Americans live in financial hell and under insane levels of stress and despair. Older gay white men - the majority of DL - is a disproportionately affluent demographic. Small business and child tax credits are a fucking joke. That's all she had to offer and then they roll out all these fucking Republicans chasing these moderate swing voters that aren't even real. People who are stupid or gullible or inattentive enough to believe that well at least maybe Trump means it when he says he'll fix all these things and enrich the country - they aren't choosing to be so stupid as an act of malevolence. A confluence of dysfunctional family environments, early exposure to drugs/alcohol/degenerate habits, poor public education, lack of economic opportunity and purchasing power, and very importantly the stress on time and focus that being poor causes - Republicans were able to generate this environment after Reagan over some decades, really accelerating under Gingrich, and it works. Because of course it does. For all the crying and hand wringing about the 'radical left' they barely veer left of fucking Nixon. If you survey American voters on 'far left' domestic policy in neutral language it's wildly popular even with Republicans - many of whom believe universal healthcare is already the law of the land but they can't get it because it's all diverted to Mexicans or they won't let Christians have it or whatever.

R99 meaningless is the wrong term - it's stupid. you can't analyse what's going on without looking at both the failures of the harris campaign and strategy specifically and the context of how fucked up retarded demented this country is. i think she would have won with a better message and angle and in retrospect she should have picked bernie as vp because no one gives a fuck if the vp might croak.

[quote] So many voters used the words "too woke" in response to why they didn't support

But ask them to define that and they can't. They'll mention stuff that doesn't exist. They will give a version of 'they're eating the dogs' Outrageous lies about minority groups that are exaggerations, conspiracy theories or completely made out.

Kamalas first step to losing was Tim Walz. He was a gift to the MAGA loons on Day 1. Feminine Jazz Hands? Gay teen boy "mentor"?. Claimed he witnessed the Tiananmen Square Massacre? Indigo Girls concert? Tampons in boys restrooms? The IDIOT WIFE has a looooong list of stupidity that has traveled out of her mouth going back years. YES the MAGA would have attacked whoever Kamala picked, but Shapiro was the attack dog she needed, without the baggage. So was Pete. Even Kamala couldn't explain why she picked Walz.

r101 go watch some anti woke stuff and let it take over your algorithim. not idiot commentators like tim pool but stuff like sjw freakout compilations. that content has gotten less attention than the big influencers now but in 2016 when this started that's what was all over the place. that's why this social media environment is so dangerous. the algorithim can cook your perception of reality so easily. if you study stats or psychology you know how easily our brains are fooled by small numbers. look at what's happening now with crime. yeah with bodycams and ring everywhere you can post 100 videos a day of black guys committing scary crimes and the humans instinct is to perceive that as overwhelming. if you allow yourself to watch a bunch of that stuff constantly you might be surprised by how easily you start feeling insecure about your own beliefs. so in 2016 the online right wing machine headed by rick mercer and bannon, mutated out of gamergate, was creating the perception that every single university campus in america was like going to the death camp of tolerance from south park. because yeah you can just make every single little thing that happens go viral and you can make a statistically insignificant number of events seem like an overwhelming pattern that defines everything. lots of lazy and stupid DLers fall for this tactic. it's really effective. when Elmo takes control of the internet or whatever the fuck is gonna happen you'll be lucky if you see one person online that isn't an AI astroturf manipulating you. HELL IS HERE

I know it will never happen, but all voters should have to take a citizenship test. My stupid MAGA sister couldn't name one member of the Supreme Court except Clarence Thomas. She knows what county she lives in, but not the name of her House reps. She just knows TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

R102 his favorability numbers were fantastic. idiot. you believe she lost because she didn't court the swing republicans that don't exist. that's all she did. unless she came out and said i'm declaring trannyism a mental illness latinos were never going to fucking go for that and they don't like gays any better by the way. the problem is EXTREMELY DEPRESSED TURNOUT DUE TO ECONOMIC DESPAIR AND DECADES LONG ABANDONMENT OF THE BASE. get it through your thick stupid boomer or gen x out of it know nothing bubble living fucking skull because people like you are dead fucking weight.

R101 It's up to the Democrats to figure out what they mean. They sure as hell had plenty of money to figure out what the burning issues were. I hear over and over from Republicans that the transgender nonsense was a bridge too far. And before anyone jumps my ass for saying that. Hear me out. We no longer live in a world where facts matter. No one is a reliable news source. Most people get their info from some other knucklehead on social media. Long form media is no good. Perception IS reality to people. Trump just got up there and said the same insane things over and over and over until our ears bled. And people remembered. Everyone is trying to brainwash everyone else because no one is factually held accountable. It's so messed up now I don't know what to say anymore. I'm out.

OP, thank you. The title of this thread says it all. I agree. Trump was not a mystery. Everyone knows who he is.

OP America has always been the problem. R94 is right. If you started a relationship off with a lie about yourself and the other person that relationship would die because you can't ignore a controlling truth. American have never wanted to see the truth. That they hate minorities, or at least think they should learn their place. Americans hate female leaders. Nancy caught more hell than Mitch- even though he violated the Constitution. Americans also want to be rich- very few think that living within their means is the right way to live. That is why their parents made off better than they do. They think they deserve the first place in line- their grandparents thought you earned your place in line. Americans are poorly educated. For a country that has colleges that people come from far and wide to attend, Americans as whole are completely undereducated. From MAGA to Free Gaza Americans simply don't want to know the truth or to be educated. Why because the Rushs, Joes, and Trumps have playing down education. One of things that creates a middle class is an educated population willing to learn - at least for a better job. Staying ignorant is a major choice. Kamala wasn't the greatest. If Biden had seized the moment sooner they would have picked a better candidate. But Biden's ego wouldn't let go .But no matter the orange Elmer Gantry will free them. Willful stupidity, and a lack true knowledge about history and civics got us to this point. God have mercy on us. Most people will never know what hit them. The experiment is over. Maybe Hamilton was right- we should have a king instead of president.

I'm already tired of the lamestream media's analyses of how shrewd Trump was and why the Democrats failed to attract voters. I guess everyone had forgotten about all those Covid deaths that Trump caused. And how shrewdly he fellated that microphone. Nothing has changed, Anyone who voted for Trump is an idiot.

And totally forgotten that he was crying fraud at 3pm and calling in bomb threats to black counties at 4pm. All magically wiped out of memory. I heard one talking head say that Kamala's team spent too much on lawyers. Yes - see above. He had a whole plan to steal and cause chaos had she won MI and PA.

From The Onion:

[[quote]A less nuanced version of (2) - Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of voters showing ID. Make that happen. What are you afraid of if that happens? What’s the big deal? People can argue about the theoretical example of a 99 year-old who no longer has a driver’s license, but on a practical level 80-90% of Americans are Ok with the tiny minority of people who find getting a government issued ID challenging being unable to vote. Why not do this and inspire confidence? Being reluctant to do this makes conspiracy theories about election fraud easier to believe. Prove that those theories are nonsense. This was such an easy potential win.

Insisting on not having to have I.D is one of the stupidest things ever. Democrats are a bunch of idiots for this nonsense.. It's pure bullshit. This type of nonsense is why they lost. And NO, they will not learn anything from this GIGANTIC LOSS. They didn't learn a thing from the 2016 elections and actually doubled and tripled down on their stupidity in 2020 and 2024

NO ONE can exist legally without an I.D. You can't go to the Dr. or have a bank account without an I.D. Most red states will give out free state I.D to people so that people can vote.

There is no 99 yr old person without an I.D . A valid state I.D is needed to sign up for social security and medicare.

Are we supposed to believe that someone is so poor they can't come up with $10 - $20 for an I.D (or free in most states) , but they are healthy enough that they never have to go to a doctor? that they can get by without food stamps or any type of government assistance? Even though they are so very poor, they can survive without social security? How are they buying food? Who is paying for it? Where are they getting all this cash? They have to be using cash, because a person can't get a debit or credit card, without proper I.D

How is this "poor person" living? Who is paying their rent? Who is paying for their food? If they have a job, they MUST have I.D. How are they able to remain healthy? Even the health department requires I.D. How are they getting around?

And of course, the can't own a car, because they'd need I.D to purchase it. They'd need I.D to buy car insurance.

It's 2024, unless you are a criminal and/or an illegal immigrant (which is a criminal), you can not live without I.D. And almost all those places I listed above (dr,bank, insurance company, etc,etc) insist on valid I.D. They do not accept expired I.D

The democrats foolishly do not mind if tens of millions of people (even some potential constituents) think they support voter fraud. Instead of using a little common sense, they not only believe, but also create policy based on some urban legend about a person who is "too poor" to afford I.D

Andy Cohen sent a consolatory message to his friend Kamala Harris on Instagram while grinning from ear to ear.

R54 as correct as you may be, people were going to vote for him. Any opponent is then forced to take him seriously and to try and figure out why they will do it so they can provide an alternative.

is R44 Iost in an alternate reality? What is she talking about? MN stayed blue and has the longest blue voting streak in presidential elections of any state I believe.