WE LOST THE POPULAR VOTE

When Biden went down he should have gone with Whitmer or Pritzer

Wow people really still hate women. Even other women. Two smart capable women couldnt beat a complete lowlife like Trump. A guy who wasn’t all there could though.

It's one thing to lose the Electoral College.

But, losing the popular vote is a lot more damning - FFS.

Cheeto can claim a "mandate" from the people.

It really sucks that we’re going to have another 4 years of Trump.

But the Democrats can only do the “vote for me cause I’m not Trump” pitch without offering anything else but that.

Kamala’s hype was front loaded.

Regardless of the accuracy, the American public views liberals as elitists who want gender neutral bathrooms and illegal immigrants and there was nothing during this campaign that shattered that image.

People are going to be mad at me right now but it’s the truth.

R1 It's not about who the candidate is. Any candidate would've simply stickered their name on Biden's campaign behind it's not the candidate that makes the decisions but the DNC, an organization that's rotten to the core. You want to win people back? Fire the entire leadership, AND keep make sure the new leadership stay the fuck away from AIPAC money.

We haven't lost it yet OP. Don't get hysterical. Much of the west coast hasn't been counted, various big cities i the east like Clelveland and Philadelphia and Atlanta and Detroitt are not fully counted. You will see.

The View will be MUST SEE TV tomorrow...

People made fun of Donald Trump at McDonalds. He probably got the fast food employee vote.

All the liberals were shitting on him.

He did spend the last month reaching audiences and it clearly made a difference.

It’s hard to admit but it’s the truth. It’s the only way I can cope.

They called Florida and Texas suspiciously early. And in Nevada Republicans were trying to stop students from voting by claiming their signatures didn't match their registration cards.

[quote]Wow people really still hate women. Even other women.

I have been saying this for years. Woman don't trust other woman. No matter how much they bitch about how life is unfair because men control everything, they still hate women more.

Everyone thought the racism of the Madison Square Garden rally was a death knell. Just the opposite. That was their hail m ary to win by appealing to racists who had no other reason to vote.

Maybe the economy will improve

Too much word salad from Kamala and now she's choking on it.

Biden on the campaign trail didn't help either.

Well one thing for sure is that I don’t want to hear another damn word from any women about how unfairly they are treated by men. Fellow woman have given them a slap in the face harder than any man could. That’s just straight up treachery.

R2 Oh honey, don't do that

That's mostly WHITE woman R14.

The first thing I want Dump to do is sign a nationwide abortion ban passed by Congress. Women voted for Dump, too.

Unfortunately r9 you can scream elections are fair for two months straight, blasting Donald Trump for planting false stories about it not being fair, and then start looking for cracks and cheaters when you don’t win.

R2 Hillary was a President’s wife and Kamala was VP because Biden made a deal with black voters to put a black woman in office.

They’re not close to women like Thatcher or Merkel.

So I disagree with that.

People are underestimating how the horrible state of pretty much every major US city, the unsustainably of the open border policy of Biden/Harris administration , and the soft on crime DAs has played into this result. All of this has been ignored and ridiculed on DL and elsewhere but is very real to the average person. We now have a vile scumbag for President as a result.

R16 polls are showing a larger than average turnout of Hispanics FOR Trump in certain areas like NJ and Nevada. It’s not just white women. I think the only group of women you can say that DIDN’T turn out for Trump are black women.

Your comment on Hillary Clinton r19 is like saying Lady MacBeth was just the King’s wife.

The saddest part is that all these traditionally democrat constituencies voting for cheeto think he'll make their lives better.

And, when their lives are even worse, they'll still blame the dems, deep state, and liberals for making their lives worse.

The Hispanic vote for Trump sounds like it was huge.

Kamala and liberals did nothing to incite the black vote.

And I’ll tell you something else. I grew up in a melting pot city and Hispanic / Latino Americans don’t like “Hicks”. That’s what they called them. This idea that Latinos welcome illegals is so false and Democrats pandering to the “dreamers” is again, an image they didn’t shatter.

Oh, please R12. The “economy” is going to improve overnight with a Trump win.

It’s not about the economy. It’s about racism and misogyny.

R18 Republicans complain so loudly about cheating becasue cheating is what they do. They started with Floyd Crollo in the early 90s, engaged absentee fraud with Bob Martinez, and then it fell into the lap of Dan Quayle, who enlisted the help of William Welch and the Urosevich brothers to figure out how to cheat with electronic voting machines. Jeb Bush being technologically challenged the resorted to old fashioned vote sealing and bribing the opposition, but by 2004 Kenneth Blackwell and team did what they had to do to steal Ohio. In 2006 they tried but failed, and for a decade their main effort was to buy control of all the voting machine companies and kill anyone to made a truly secure one. Dominion to some exent foiled this plot, which is why they have been doing low tech vote suppression this time, but this time they probably also had the support of Russia and China, which oculd make all the difference.

The thing is, you present evidence for years about how insane, uninformed and dangerous Trump is.

But you only have to say a woman is stupid once.

^^ That’s misogyny.

Everyone is going to claim the Democrats lost because they supported (insert social issue that the poster doesn't support). We'll have to wait to the dust to settle before we can really start assigning blame.

I'm sorry DL. Thoughts and Prayers.

lol.

What's odd is I really think objectively, if she were a man, everyone would agree she ran an almost flawless campaign. But in the end, non of that mattered. People just voted on personality and grievance.

Exactly, R23. In a way, Democrats should just stay out of it for 2 or 3 election cycles until the Republicans have conclusively ruined everything. All that happens otherwise is Republicans have their fun, tank the economy, murder 1.2M Americans and then the Democrats have to come in and do all the hard work again for no credit.

You know what’s misogyny? Saying a man in a dress with long hair is a woman. Ie The left loat it’s goddamn mind with this shit and gave the issue to a POS like Trump.

Trump is NOT insane.

He’s the Madonna of politics. He is an entertainer. He had a hit TV show for a decade. He understands marketing.

Yes, his following and the people around him are dangerous.

But again, the whole “you’re going to be thrown in concentration camps” approach doesn’t work. We had Trump for 4 years. We’re all still alive.

I’m not defending Trump but this is why he won. Rationalizing the win by saying half the American population are Nazis who want crazy is just not true at this point and it’s why we as Democrats lost.

We should have had a centered politician run after Biden stepped down.

R32 Are you high? What did the flawless campaign constitute exactly, other than adopting Trump's 2020 platform on immigration, parroting Republican rhetoric on the military, screaming "TRUMP WILL BE WORSE!" as the go-to response to any substantive questions about their policy positions, and trying to shame and morally blackmail those who want no part in a genocide into voting for them as if bullying is how you win over people who are turned off by the genocide you're doing?

Here's how bad her campaign was - she would've won easily had the election been held the week of announcement. All her campaign's accomplished since then is squander any goodwill and positivity she once had.

You're wrong R35. WE weren't thgrown into concentration camps becasue he didn't have the current set around him. He had a bunch of people who thought he was insane and dangerous. And he fired them all. It will be different this time around R35. Fight fight fight. Do not every make peace with a republican. We won't stiop until the party is legally banned and its leaders in Guantanamo/.

She lost when she picked Walz. I'm sorry. Did she learn nothing from Hillary? Another bland nobody. And so far Walz can't even deliver his own state. Still uncalled.

She had a massive ground game r37, that usually what matters, she went on almost every talk show, interview, news org, pod cast, social media that asked her to including Fox. Except for one stupid podcaster. Trump didn't do anything like that. She raised close to 1 Billion in cash, she convinced over 400 top Republicans to openly endorse her.

A Kamala/Buttigieg ticket would have beaten Trump/Vance. Picking Walz was the beginning of the end.

R40, and she also was considered to have beaten Trump in the Presidential Debate.

You defeatist pirck. We will win.

R39 Walz was a fucking rock star when he was first picked. His correctly pointing out the weirdness of MAGA was by far the highlight of the campaign. Fuck only knows why they decided to shove him to the backbenches and never let him speak to the press again since then.

And clearly Cardi B and Taylor Swift did not help.

I was still in high school at the time, but this feels very much like when Ronald Reagan won, only worse. Decades of Republican ideology took over the country.

Yep, R7. Thanks Sunny!

I’m sure Asians, Jews, Catholics and Latinos did not feel particularly cherished by the Harris/Walz campaign and now we see the results.

[quote] Walz was a fucking rock star when he was first picked. His correctly pointing out the weirdness of MAGA was by far the highlight of the campaign. Fuck only knows why they decided to shove him to the backbenches and never let him speak to the press again since then.

Yeah, I found that odd too. Walz was all over TV calling Trump and Vance "weird," and then he went into hiding.

Look. It's not the candidate. She had 102 days to mount a national campaign and she did a great job. She had crowds in excess of 20,000 people and an enthusiastic army of volunteers. What she did not have was the media who have been controlling this game for the past 8-9 years. The barrage of lies in his ad campaigns, saturation c overage, and the news media sanitizing hi, normalizing him, literally brain washing people. Playing to their fears and their ignorance. We have millions of stupid fearful people out here who are easily manipulated. The entire National security establishment was against him. Prominent, credible Republicans were against him. But when you talk to his voters they kept saying immigration, our "open borders" and inflation, and "the economy." One dumb ass in Philly talked about being able to keep more of his paycheck when Trump was President because he was gonna cut his taxes. He worked in the service department at a car dealership. Harris did everything she could but nothing overcomes the lies and the fear mongering. I have studied voter behavior for years. Then lets look at which demographics went for Trump: Latinos! and he was even getting a significant % of Black men. Racism, sexism, and stupidity were all factors.,. But IMO the Candidate and her campaign were not the main reason. The pundits will say what she could shoulda done, but they will never look at the Media's role. And the openly hostile efforts to suppress the votes by Russian "bomb scares" in Democratic precincts and counties in 5 states. Anyway that's my analysis.

R48 The Biden/Harris administration has assumed 73% of the cost for the genocide in Gaza. How much harder do you want them to cherish the Jews?

Biden had no housing policy. Housing costs were a prime driver of inflation and living expenses. And Biden was too slow to address the border issues. Dems have always been notoriously poor at messaging. His infrastructure bill and the efforts he made on climate change were significant. We have more union, manufacturing jobs. But none of those accomplishments featured in campaign strategy, at least not in digestible sound bites.

This was bigger than Kamalas Campaign. We lost the Senate. Solid "unbeatable" candidates like incumbent Sherrod Brown lost.

I'm thinking about my mother losing her social security and Medicare. I'm thinking of the 1000s of civil servants who will lose their jobs. I'm thinking about them finally dismantling the Affordable Care act and people like me, with a pre existing condition unable to get health insurance. I am thinking about Abortion bans becoming a national law, and my sister, who has had two miscarriages will certainly be affected. The impact of this victory will surely affect all the dumb people who voted for him. mass deportations, tariffs, etc.

Clearly a Madison Av e conpsiracy that has been going on for decades. Advertising execs are all the kind of people who tried o sell the world Stroessner and Mobutu.

It’s not odd r49, he did poorly at the debate against a smug moron he should have cremated. After that he disappeared.

R54 Why would your mother lose her social security and Medicare? When have Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) ever fucked over the seniors over the youth?

All these greedy powerful and rich folk are going to be sorry when the homeless population explodes to 10 times what it is now. You cut people off medical care, food stamps, jobs, what did you think would happen?

Look at htat fraud who said "maybe the economy will improve." That stats are in 50 million new jobs in Democratic Administrations since 1989, 1 million jobs in all the Republican administrations combined since 1989. Republicans always tank the economy. It's their thiing, and probably sometimes it's deliberate.

Fucking cunt Jill Stein once again isn't helpful. Guess we'll see her again in four years.

[quote] It’s not odd [R49], he did poorly at the debate against a smug moron he should have cremated. After that he disappeared.

I agree that Walz wasn't great during the debate. But he had disappeared even before then. And he seemed to be pretty good at interviews and rallies.

Vaccines will be banned. So will fluoride. Can you imagine?! Kids will get polio again. Cops can kill whoever they want for no reason. They’ll repeal the 14th and 19th amendments. To start.

Trump himself did even more poorly when he debated Harris, who cremated him. He should have disappeared, but, instead, he was elected president again. He's a cult leader who can, and does, say whatever he wants, however false and hateful, because it doesn't matter: he knows the MAGA cult will continue to support him, as they proved today.

Thanks, New York Times, for normalizing it all and making it possible. You, too, will suffer for this.

Take a nap get to sleep wake up early just now and——-holy shit.

It looks like, as has been said here often but maybe not often enough, the US is not the DL the US will never be the DL we at DL are the ones out of step, we at DL are the fringe, we are the ones who are the losers the unliked.

It’s a crushing loss and even the women and abortion could not save us. The country has moved away from the values of DL.

DL loses the majority of Americans win. Hey I lived thru vietnam I understand being beaten——and surprised,

Not the fucking results I was expecting. But at least we will not have to hear for 4 years that at least we won the popular vote.

Shocking absolutely shocking,

I watched CNN briefly tonight before he won. They all seemed shell shocked and their voices were actually shaking as the realization hit them, especially Jake Tapper. I just thought it was weird since they enabled him all the way.

I agree, R44. Walz was held back because Harris is terrible at interviews and since she didn’t want to do them, he was reined in. If he’d been able to keep at it his debate performance would have been better, or it would not have mattered as much. Too much was at stake.

By far the biggest mistake was Harris restricting interviews.

The one thing I NEVER heard talked about is the Asian vote. No one really addressed how unsafe they felt in the post Covid Biden years when they were being attacked in the streets. I am sure they turned up in large numbers for Trump who has promised to make big cities safer.

Disgusting. In what kind of country are we living? We have very little in common with most of it.

They were attacked because Trump called it the China virus!!

I agree R50 Adding, the whole country has taken a giant step to the right, on purpose. It’s a sad night, saying goodbye to what was once a great country, and the envy of the world. Ready everybody? Here we goooooo

They’ll live behind heavily gated areas, R58.

Oh, R57. /smh

Oh no now they are all taking the stage and smiling. My god the trumps return in victory with flags and patriotic songs. My god.

And just a few days ago I sounded a warning about a super trump ad on the nfl game and how that ad would appeal to normal regular Americans that ad caught my attention in an alarming way——instead of discussing that ad and how important or not , morons instead gave me a FF , got accused of being Russian or worse a GOP, and I got banned for two days.

But that ad should have been a giant warning, There is an america that is nothing like DL.

We got crushed. Fucking crushed.

President JD Vance——Oh Mary :-(

[quote]The one thing I NEVER heard talked about is the Asian vote

What about the Jewish vote? I saw ads with 4 old white ladies sitting in a diner talking about Israel and how they think Trump is the only one who will keep them safe. My former boss who is also an older woman, wealthy woman living on her own also talked like that even though she had no idea about politics and almost never bothered to vote.

I guess all we can hope is that Trump and family, as well as Vance, follow Health Czar RFK Jr,'s expert medical advice.

R70 I think we can take anything Trump says out of the equation. He’s obviously the Magic Man. He can say anything he wants and is never blamed for anything. It doesn’t matter he called it the China Virus. The cities got worse under Biden. That’s all that is recorded. Trumps campaign literally called Puerto Ricans garbage and Latinos turned out for him in larger numbers for him than 2020.

The man told us ten years ago he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it if. He’s right. He IS the American Psycho.

Step One: Stop being flabbergasted but what Trump says.

I think I feel worse tonight than I did in 2016. The people surrounding Trump now (JD Vance, Tucker Carlson, Musk, Peter Thiel, RFK Jr., Gabbard, etc.) are far more dangerous than the crew he had last time.

All I can do at this moment is just weep. I don't think I can go to sleep tonight. This election has drained everything out of me.

I’m fairly shell shocked myself but I can’t agree with any explanation provided in this thread. I don’t have one myself either but none of them make sense.

My initial reaction is that the USA is no more. There is nothing United. Kamala Harris can pack a stadium and get 10 million views on YouTube. But Donald Trump leads a cult. It’s like we need a big move - all Dems over here, all MAGA over there and split into 2 countries. Of course, we’ve completely lost our reputation and it will likely be 20 years before we move back left.

Well, it is a great irony, R75, that the Jews have solidified the rise of fascism in the world.

Wonder how they’ll feel when another people claim a Holocaust in 15 years?

The popular vote goes to two billionaires. Gee, what could go wrong.

R75 I brought up the Jewish question months ago on the “How long will the Harris frenzy Last” or whatever thread and I was laughed out of existence. I said what a lot of my rich Jewish clients were posting about Trump and I was told I was wildly out of touch.I gave several examples as to what Harris needed to address and I was told to sit down. I guess I was right.

R78 I haven’t been able to weep and I think it would be healthy to get it all out. I feel completely numb. It all happened so fast. I turned on MSNBC, Florida was called, Allred lost, Steve didn’t say one positive thing at that darn map, the panel had dead eyes and boom he’s won.

Don’t worry, R81. Billionaires really identify with the little people and have lots of empathy. /sarcasm

R82 The problem is that she is one person, with 100 days. In the last hours I’ve heard that she should have reached Jews, white men, Asians, union workers, Arabs, white woman, the working class, black men, Catholics, Latino gen z……Its impossible and she would have been dragged for pandering and sending mixed messages because you cannot please all of these people.

Unless you are Trump! Then you can insult each of them on a daily basis, offer no policy and they all gravitate towards you.

I’m sure many books will be written but I’d love to see the internal polling that the Harris people had. I believe it was good and very good in the blue wall. The people who predicted Trump in 2016 all missed it this time.

R58 Asians did not turn out for Trump because Trump was the reason they were attacked in the streets during COVID.

If we had to lose I am glad we lost the popular vote. It makes it cleaner. It makes us address the idiocy as some peddled here yesterday that we had won even when we lost we won and the EC stole it.

We change we adapt we learn how to steal maga voters in the future or we liberal moderate Dems become some clearly minority party for decades.

The next four years are going to be interesting. But the good news is no US troops will ever be killed fight ing for Ukraine, Maybe against Ukraine but not for.

Dems just don’t have that evil mindset when it comes to cheating.

That is not true R88. You don't understand how Trump works. He tried to start several wars last time he wsa president but his advisors stopped him.

Women have been a majority of voters since 1920. That we haven't had a woman president is down to the fact that they don't want one. Or maybe it's just too painful for them to reflect on the fact that they had all the power in society all along and chose to give it to men.

He is four electoral votes away from winning. This lying, cheating, dangerous convicted felon in diapers that I will continue to call Dump is going to be the next President. AGAIN! I was convinced we had an opportunity to be rid of him, the people chose and we are fucked.

Accusing democrats of communism , socialism and woke seems to work in this miserable country.

R90 what I sad was that no US troops would die helping Ukraine. The Ukraine is now burnt toast. In Jan Russia will have the US on their side or at least neutral..

Of course US troops will deploy and get shot at as well. Mexico and countries south comes to mind as a country (s) where US troops will be sent to attack and fight cartels and others.

Not so numbnuts R94. Russia will not ever be on our side. And Trump could well push Poland into war with them.

R92, he is 78 years old and declining. The only way America will be rid of him is in death. And they'll probably be wheeling Jimmy Carter up to the front pew for the ceremony.

[quote] Disgusting. In what kind of country are we living? We have very little in common with most of it.

It’s officially a Third World shithole country as of tonight.

There will never be a MAGAT in my life.

We’re in a civil war.

Do the Democrats have the balls to go through with it?

R85, I take solace in what someone else said in another thread - Kamala and her campaign were not the problem. America is the problem. She ran a fantastic campaign. There is nothing you can take away from it.

R98 That was the closing question. This election is not about him or her. It’s about us. And “we” turned our “last great hope for all” country into a third world shithole and laughing stock because eggs are expensive.

R95 we will be on their side not them on ours. Or at leader we will be on Putin’s side. Aid military aid to Ukraine will come to an end. The US will not stand behind them, That defines helping Russia or Putin.

And Poland is not going to enter direct fighting because they will see that the US has left and will not support them against Russia.

Russia will get and keep their gains and the fighting will sooner than later come to a close

[quote]Do the Democrats have the balls to go through with it?

Are you seriously asking that question? Of course not.

I do find it interesting how election by election Democrats are losing themselves. Remember how fast "when they go low, we go high..." was thrown out the window? I wonder what the next iteration will be. Maybe they's realize at this point there is no UNITING the country. The country is clearly divided and you need to play nasty to get what you want. It's really come to that.

R97 exactly what actions are you going to do in the coming civil war you claim started last night?

Yacking is not action

Ukrain is about the size of Texas. America now is not going to lose its shit over that. They put up a good fight. I think it's the end of the road for them. The country will just become the new gulags and prison camps for Russian defectors.

The Economist, in its current issue, lays out the ramifications of a second Trump term very clearly. Sample: “Mr Trump’s policies are worse, the world is more perilous and many of the sober, responsible people who reined in his worst instincts during his first term have been replaced by true believers, toadies and chancers."

I hope FL and NC enjoy all the hurricanes next year. Because there won’t be a FEMA.

Living in Italy, and with the whole NATO question in play, I am comforted a bit by the fact that Meloni is pretty, a far right conservative with huge tits and basically Elon Musk's next baby-momma.

R105, yeah, you would think that some of those Southern states that get damaged so badly by climate change and floods would realize that Republicans don't take the science seriously and are going to gut the EPA and all other environmental agencies.

More people will continue to have their homes destroyed by floods and climate change in the years ahead. North Carolina, Florida and Georgia should have voted Democratic. They have only themselves to blame if they lose more of their homes in the years ahead.

It's not going to work that way, Trump will pick who gets money and who does not. Red states will be bailed out, blue states will be cut off. He already tired this once when California had some wild fires up north, he didn't want to allow any federal money go to CA until someone on his staff told him most of the people who lost their homes in the fire were in a very Republican part of the state.

And here is what the real losers from tonight will do, the ones who will be true losers 4 years from now as well, they will point fingers at everyone else. They will attack Harris, Waltz, bigots, GenZ, MAGa gays, etc etc etc. what these losers will not blame is themselves.

Self reflection more than finger pointing because there is a lot about America about DL and what people here say they do here that much of America hates. We were warned by several posters. We ridiculed, made fun of, and banned those who on DL sounded the warning.

I hope in 4-8-12 we get better at this. But winning in the future just got a lot fucking harder.

President JD Vance—-holy fucking shit.

Yes, I bet Gavin is currently in contingency mode because he knows CA is getting nothing for the next fire. Just conspiracy theories and insults. Luckily CA has such a strong economy that Trump can go fuck himself but it shouldn’t be like this.

California has one thing Elon wants, Vanderberg Air force base. You want to keep using that launch pads for rockets by the ocean? Well Elon, talk to your boss.

More America blaming, no reflection by a lot of folks. This will just keep repeating until Dems stop doing that.

There is no America, R112. It’s amusing that you think there is.

But the swifties !

Why did so many Latinos vote for Trump?

The majority of American voters of Latin American origin are Mexican-American. They don't care about immigrants coming from South America and Central America Although the majority of Latin American immigrants are still Mexican, their numbers have lowered in recent years, and all they see and hear about in the news are Latin American immigrants from Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, not to mention Central Americans from Nicaragua and Guatemala. Mexican-Americans feel no allegiance towards them.

Basically, there is no such thing as the "Latino vote". There's the Mexican-American vote, the Puerto Rican vote, the Cuban vote, etc.

Uh R112, Trump has been calling the US a failed state and referring to the Enemies Within. If we don't blame people for these attitudes, they will think they can use them to put others down all along. It's time to ifght fight fight. This election was fraudulent from soup to nuts. Look at the way the media said it violated the Fairness Doctrine that Kamala appeared on SNL. The Fairness Doctrine that they abolished in the 80s so they could achieve a media monopoly. And now the media is blamed because it isn't a 100% monopoly like in Australia.

{quote] Basically, there is no such thing as the "Latino vote". There's the Mexican-American vote, the Puerto Rican vote, the Cuban vote, etc.

Correct. Hispanics are not monolithic.

And none are more detestable than Cubans.

Everyone is gonna pay higher prices and lots of people are gonna lose their jobs thanks to Trump’s tarriffs. Even those in red states.

I still can't believe that women couldn't put two and two together and see that an abortion ban is not just about preventing women from having abortions but a whole new national policy of saving babies over mothers. That is what they voted for.

Mexican males are still trapped in a Machismo mentality to begin with. Even down to what food you eat. Add into that religion which is VERY strong in that community and you get a conservative voter. Ironically, Mexico just voted in their first female president.

The country is dead because this election solidified the hate for the other side,

And it's not even saving babies over mothers - it saving PREGNANCIES over mothers, because in a complicated pregnancy were the mother's life is in risk, the baby usually dies with her. A teen girl just died the other day because no hospital wanted to touch her and risk the complications of treating her sepsis which might have interfered with her pregnancy.

Not true R34. Renee Richards was playing professional womens tenni8s in 19971. Wasn't a big issu then. Why did it become a big issue? Kaitlyn Jenner lifelong Republican and Trumpist (and murderer). And Jennifer Pritzker billionaire republican (formerly John McCain's campaign finance chair) as well as major funder of a m ilitary museum. The left has not been pushing transgenderism, the right has. That said, another that happened is that women have successfully transformed into men, so it's not all creepy men trying to blame all their lives on their penis or engaged in a weird fetish or trying to pretend they weren't doused with testosterone for decades. It's the right which embraced transgenderism as an alternative to homosexuality for men.

But now we also have successful FTM transgenderism which should probably be protected as these women usually make better men than cis men.

[quote]Everyone is gonna pay higher prices and lots of people are gonna lose their jobs thanks to Trump’s tarriffs. Even those in red states.

Yep. What will be interesting to watch is if Elon does get to take over who gets to stay and who gets to go, he's notorious for making big cuts, and big mistakes hiring them back to fix the problem.

There will be lots of suicides and Gofundme

70 million votes for The Devil 😈

None of these people expect Trump to do anything for them. They just want him to punish people of whom they disapprove. Republican antigovernment rhetoric has become so pervasive that the idea that the government can do things to improve lives is not believed, although it would be if any of these people had ever traveled to say Scandinavia.

It's all too raw in this moment, but over the coming few years the Democrats will need to take the deepest dive possible into why this has happened. For all that we mocked the NYT seeking to do this... clearly we DO need to understand the Trump voters more than mock them. Because it became brutally clear tonight, they outnumber us.

One thing that was on my mind during this campaign was Kamala Harris' choice to go upbeat, smiling, confident, happy. "Vibes." I do think millions and millions of people out here feel ... not happy. And I was never a Bernie Sanders supporter in 2016 but he's the one person on our side who galvanized those who feel socio-economically abandoned, predated upon, lost, and treading water and maybe even drowning. I was thinking several times, where's our heir to Bernie. AOC gets it but she is too far left progressive in her prescriptions. As was Bernie.

But somehow, there has grown a disconnect. Trump was all frowns and anger and resentment. We recoiled, and we thought Harris was being more Presidential. But the rageful, messy, persecution-complex Trump just won the popular vote. I know a large % of his support is fueled by racism. But there's more going on. There is a lot there to unpack.

R128, yeah, the blame for that starts with Ronald Reagan in the 1980's. He always went on a crusade about wanting to reduce the size of government and make it so small "it can be drowned in a bathtub".

Wait till you have to renew your drivers license at the DMV. You think it's bad now?

Our Heir to Bernie is TRUMP. He hand delivered him!

No, it’s not about saving babies or pregnancies. It’s about controlling, punishing, and killing women. Take heed.

It's just embarrassing. We live in a country full of stupid bigots.

It's definitely not about religion since I've yet to meet an evangelical who had anything Christian in them at all.

I think what throws me the most is the huge crowds of 80,000 people that were showing up to the Kamala rallies. I mean normally that's a good indicator of who's going to win. It seems like if nothing else, she should have won the popular vote.

R129 that deep dive may or may not happen, And there is a small outside chance a really small one that the Dems will go after and try to recruit all those gop voters that in my life time were once mostly all Dems and try to win them back.

It’s more likely that we will encourage them to return to the correct dem side by constantly calling them stupid Nazi haters.

EvanTrumpicals

Your strategy has been tried and failed R137. The only way to deprogram these people is to make them pay a price.

R139 is correct.

Unfortunately, it's going to take years. Maybe several election cycles until there are no more Democrats to blame. Maybe decades since now that Trump will most likely be able to put 2 more judges on the Supreme Court. We are going to be stuck with that for decades.

Yes R129, democrats need to realize that the vast majority of Americans don’t want to end in a socialist reeducation camp. Especially immigrants. They need to win voters back instead of vilifying and ridiculing them.

What the fuck is a socialist reeducation camp?

JHC so surprised how much the Dems underperformed in macomb, Wayne, Oakland counties in Michigan, underperformed being different than lost,

How the fuck how does a black woman do worse in Wayne county than biden did?

It's something only Russian bots know about R142. We've never had them in the USA. the majority of Americans don't give a fuck about terms like "socialist." They do hate "woke" but that's just because they resent people different from them expecting common courtesy.

Racism is the only reason for that. For decades they have been blaming Coleman Young for Detroit when Detroiit's depopulation started more than twenty years before he appeared on the scene.

Exactly what I'm saying R143. It's too raw now but we will need to learn what these voters were thinking. And I don't mean that in the usual disgusted-incredulous way, "WTF were they thinking?"

If Democrats want to win the next election, Democrats will need to understand last night from the perspectives of those who voted for Trump and for the GOP. There has been a naive belief that we just need time to pass, and the browning of America and the die-off of Old White Boomers would usher in a new era of Progressive Liberalism. Like the young and the non-white are in the Dems' pocket.

A lot will need to be re-thought. And far better understood.

Indeed, I was reading about land use in Detroit and it turns out downtown started a downward spiral by 1920, the beginning of the glory years of the auto industry, and it reached its nadir around 1960, after which it stabilized and now has begun to improve, attracting literally billions in development. But rest of Detroit has become about 40% vacant land, a natural outgrowth of the uneconomic "company town" that Detroit has become.

We do understand their perspectives R146. They are hateful bigots and evil. That's all there is to it. A Nazi is a Nazi is a Nazi.

Fuck woke R144

it’s been a loser for the Dems. Everyone pretty much is sick of woke. Time to move on and toughen up and quit acting like defeated pussies which of course is what we are today.

As for non-whites and young falling for incel driven faux masculinity, well that didn't happen in the black community. Why not? Because the black community has stronger non-family social structure. Remember how in olden times everyone belonged to social club s, or ethnic clubs, or unions? Nobody does anymore. Their only social activities are either online or church and when your opinion makers are corrupt frauds, you can become a victim of disorganized thinking because neither the pastors nor online people of the Andrew Tate variety have any interests in common with the flock. Just the opposite. Their interest are best served by the failure of their flock.

Too soon.

It’s difficult to speak about being more respectful of Trump voters when most of them think it’s acceptable to scream “Fuck Joe Biden” at the sitting president. We all saw Trump in action over the past few months and anyone who viewed that and thought he was still vote worthy is too far gone.

Most of this vote reflects the global trend of punishing incumbent governments during high inflation - it happens everywhere, to left or right leaning governments. If Trump had won in 2020 it would be an electoral wipeout for the GOP right now.

Democrats absolutely have to return to economic over cultural issues, and from what we can see across the world, being tough on “illegal’ immigration is essential, no matter how unpalatable it is to decent minded people who hate to see people punished for simply wanting a better life.

[quote] I think I feel worse tonight than I did in 2016. The people surrounding Trump now (JD Vance, Tucker Carlson, Musk, Peter Thiel, RFK Jr., Gabbard, etc.) are far more dangerous than the crew he had last time.

It's going to much worse this time around.

Get over the idea that republicans will come to their senses if only they have to pay a price. That isn’t how they think because they aren’t rational. They don’t consider any hardship a price, they consider it an offering to their god Trump to help him own the libs.

These are the people who love their guns more than their kids.

Armageddon for real.

Buyt inflation hasn't been that high and wages have actually been going up R152. That's what you're not getting. This or that price has gone up, but general price levels have not. Housing prices are rising because rich people have too much money and no place to invest it. That's is a game republicans have played over and over: asset bubbles. The way to fix it is the way suggested by James Madison: tx the rich to mediocrity; and uspport the poor to comfort. That's what he recommended in 1792 because otherwise people would make up imaginary issues to divid the people in order to protect their ill-gotten gains.

And that is precisely what republicans have done. Abortion, homosexulaity, crime: the things no society has ever solved so it's the gift that keeps on giving as a false issue.

I wonder how they are going to handle the next school shooting? More guns? And then after that when another one happens and another one?

Depends on what that price is R154. Attack the leaders only. Each one as an individual. That's the way to make them pay. They've been doing it to the left for years. Indeed, they tried to work up a career ending scandal on Clinton in the early 80s because they marked him out as a coming talent. They do this with everyone they think might matter as an opponent. We need to start systematically identifying their future leaders and destroy their reputations and leadership capacity. And that stars with destroying the billionaires who fund them.

Schools? What’s a school?

Well NYT is making it official.

R158 They won't care because JD said that mass shootings are just part of life or whatever awful shit he said some months back.

All these billionaires have committed multiple crimes.

[quote] That's what you're not getting.

Inflation has been tamed, but that does not mean prices have gone, or are going, down in a way that the average voter can see.

I hope all the people around the country who told everyone repeatedly to stop getting so upset because there was no way Trump could win are happy with themselves. I've said all along that we had all best stop paying much attention to them because we were just setting ourselves up for disaster. Meidas Touch should shut their YouTube channel down today. I never want to see or hear anything from those fools again.

The only comfort I get from this is the thought that it won't take long for most of the halfwits, scumbags & crazies who voted for him to regret casting that vote. He's going to fuck them all over big time. Unfortunately he'll fuck us over first.

The future has never seemed so dark.

"It’s difficult to speak about being more respectful of Trump voters when most of them think it’s acceptable to scream “Fuck Joe Biden” at the sitting president. We all saw Trump in action over the past few months and anyone who viewed that and thought he was still vote worthy is too far gone."

Yes, to be clear, I'm not talking about being deferential or more respectful toward Trump voters. I'm talking about getting smarter and clearer about why so many non-hard-MAGA voters, voted for Trump this time. Moving past the knee jerk "they're all evil and racist and they hate women."

Somehow, we had pretty much the same kinds of Americans in 2008 and 2012 and yet Barack Obama won twice. Something has gone profoundly wrong for the Democrats and the Democrats will need to understand it if there is any hope for 2028 and beyond. Not bow to MAGA, but gain an accurate understanding of what these voters did and what motivated them. Why we had enough to reach and cross 50% for Obama twice, and now this radical pull to the far right has happened in 2024. And yeah today is not that day.

They’re just fine with Trump fucking them over as long as he fucks us over. They were fine with their own families dying of COVID rather than getting them vaxxed in order to not make Trump look bad. That’s how their minds work.

Obama was fortunate to run after 8 years of Bush.

Would he have won today if it was his first run at the White House? I’m not sure. I think the only Democrat who could have won this election was a governor, who could deflect some of the immigration and inflation criticism.

But it's true. None of them "believe" in Trump. They know he is a compulsive liar, a business fraud, a tax cheat, a Russian agent, a corrupt pig who charged the seccret service millions to stay in his hotels, an ignoramus who knows nothing about government, an ignoramus who knows nothing about foriegn policy, a vain strumpent easily manipulated by flattery, and a rapist and pedophile. None of these facts are disputed by any of these people. You keep acting like if we are very careful we will find the key to their character. We've found it. They have no character. They are, every single one of them, a bad person whose death would make the world a better place and they know it.

So tell us how to "reach" them.

I knew people — in their 20s and in their 70s — who voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump. Why, I have no idea.

People who are going after Trump voters saying they are all bigots and racist and Nazis are mistaken. That might be his base, his core foundation. But what we saw last night was huge numbers of people not in that base - black, brown and all in between voting for Trump. That’s what’s got our heads spinning. He won the popular vote. Our Clocks throughly cleaned.

It’s no secret, it’s the economy - or more how people experience the economy. When people feel they don’t have enough money, you can make any issue a scapegoat.

Dems need to realize Americans care more about money in their pockets than they do their rights or equality.

[quote] They were fine with their own families dying of COVID rather than getting them vaxxed

In fact, a man was dying from Covid and said if he had to do it all over again, he still wouldn’t get vaccinated. Morons all of them.

Thanks R172. You get it. It's those voters I'm talking about. And it's not on Dataloungers to sort it out. And I have no easy answers. But somehow, all over again, the Democratic party not only lost big but is in total shock about it. A great delusion has been popped like a soap bubble in the air. AGAIN.

I was going to take a 4-year vacation from politics if this philistine won AGAIN. No more news channels, news radio, the View…NOTHING. But I've changed my mind because I REALLY want to see how Trump fucks this country over AGAIN.. After all, we deserve it.

I hope he brutalizes, oppresses, deports, de-unionizes, and restricts every person of color, gender, and religion who voted for him. Also? I hope he closes the border so his Latino supporters don’t get to visit their families.

Yeah..I’m bitter and know it MAY affect me. I just want THEM to suffer.

[quote] Dems need to realize Americans care more about money in their pockets than they do their rights or equality.

I think social media is partly to blame. We are inundated with images of people living fabulous lives with fabulous clothes and cars and traveling to beautiful locations. They want a piece of that.

We have a rapist President who shoved his dirty fingernails up E. Jean Carroll's vagina and shoved them around, scraping her and leaving bacterial infections.

Cool.

[quote]People who are going after Trump voters saying they are all bigots and racist and Nazis are mistaken.

ABSOLUTELY. You forgot booger-eating morons.

[quote] I was going to take a 4-year vacation from politics if this philistine won AGAIN

I just finished unsubscribing and blocking every YouTube channel in my favorites list that has anything to do with politics. I hope all the pollsters who predicted a massive Harris win all go out of business. They are just as dangerous, if not more so, than the pollsters who skew pro right wing in their poll results. After this anyone who pays the slightest attention to political polls should have their heads examined.

R179 You know...the fucked-up thing about is that we ALREADY know what's up with polls and how they're utter bullshit, BUT we continue to fall for them every election.

The problem is that when Democrats try to run on an economic platform they are called Communists and Socialists. As a working class person, I had a “dream list” of things I’d like government to do but only Warren and Sanders and AOC publicly support them. They seem to be disliked or loathed here by Dems. And had Kamala moved towards them and co-opted those issues, I think she’d have lost NJ, IL and NY. They would have hammered her with communist ads.

So, what do we do? Trump says “they” as in elites are the issue. I would agree but to me the elites are the billionaires like himself and Musk. He campaigns beside the richest man in the world and people say that he has the economic platform.

So, I don’t know what these people want. Are their desires realistic or fantasy? Do they want to earn 100K with no degree and buy a home for 200K and feed a family for $300 per month and have $1.50 gas? That’s not realistic. And anyone promising it is a charlatan. And a Democrat would be slaughtered for being a fool who knows nothing about the economy.

Sheesh. I don’t know!

R179, I did the same thing. They kept my hope going that Trump was done for a long time and for that matter so did the so called psychics and tarot readers I used to watch but they all were wrong, every single one of ‘em. I used to think they had to know something or they wouldn’t risk making total fools of themselves in videos online…. Boy was I wrong.

Someone above said it but I think the rallies mentally prepared us for a win. The crowds were so large and crazy. She got 75K people to stand in line for hours to hear a speech on a Tuesday. She was getting 20K people in small rust belt cities on weeknights. She aced the debate. His crowds were pitiful at the end. His rhetoric was so dark.

We know that crowds don’t win elections but the energy was 08 levels of excitement. I actually think some of that showed up in later polls which showed women going for her. I think women saw those rallies and the vibes and they were more likely to answer polling calls and texts. Internal polling may have picked that up too.

Then last night it just went wrong from the start. Florida was called quickly. The Texas Senate was called quickly. Then they started bringing up these random counties and showing Biden’s bargains and her margin with only 2% reporting and they were already suggesting she was cooked. There wasn’t one moment of positivity or hope. Election night was as bleak and dark as Trump’s later rallies!

Looking around the map... damn. Mathematically you see instantly how Trump won the popular vote this time. Harris lost Florida by 13 points and Texas by 14 points. She won Virginia by only 5 where Biden won it by 10. And so on, all over.

Gen Z and Gen Alpha don’t care about community or unity or even democracy. They are too busy listening to podcasters and influencers. Social media has destroyed the fabric of society.

The America that Harris so enthusiastically described in her stump speech doesn’t exist. Americans are increasingly selfish, mean, willfully ignorant and incredibly stupid.

Hardis ran a kick ass campaign and would have been a great President. Americans don’t value democracy and want a dictator. Buckle up.

R183 WHAT HAPPENED? Those rallies were intoxicating and gave me hope. I rarely have hope. And by "rarely" I mean never.

R179 is so upset about politics he blocked everyone dealing with politics then came to very political DL to an obvious political thread and had a political discussion about his decision on not engage in politics.,

Some might say you are not a serious person. If you were a serious person you would be doing something else other than discussing politics and the election once again on a political thread,

Next week you will be deep into more political discussions. You will never leave.

I tried not to get my hopes up, but deep down I believed Kamala would win.

Terrible

I bet we will see that GenZ was pretty much a non issue once again as far as voting.

At least I was not the moron telling another DL Dem a few weeks ago to vote for Trump because we did not need or want their vote because they said something we disagreed with.

That poster is the DL idiot of the year. Some would say the American idiot of the year.

My one big hope is that once the trash is in office the military leaders will not kowtow to him and do anything he orders them to do if it's clearly illegal or something that will put us all in danger. Frankly I'm still holding out hope, as wild as it seems, that the military will come in before he's inaugurated and put the US government under military control. Most of our military leaders know he's insane.

I also keep the thought in mind that when things look their worst they rarely if ever happen the way you think they'll happen. I know that a lot of Trump's threats during the campaign will never be carried out. It's just the ones he will carry out that scare the hell out of me. And I hold out hope that if he gets too crazy even many of the republican in Congress will realize something has to be done to stop him.

R187, what the hell is your problem?! Discussing one’s traumatized reaction among like minded people here is hardly the same thing as watching a bunch of clickbaiters on YouTube.

[quote]I bet we will see that GenZ was pretty much a non issue once again as far as voting.

Story as old as time, happens every cycle. The youth has one or two pet issues (Gaza, climate change...) but doesn't turn up to the polls when it matters the most. And thinking that someone like Taylor Swift can change something that is true the world over is laughable.

Trump will just fire any military leaders who don’t kowtow to him. And have them executed.

[quote]My one big hope is that once the trash is in office the military leaders will not kowtow to him and do anything he orders them to do if it's clearly illegal or something that will put us all in danger. Frankly I'm still holding out hope, as wild as it seems, that the military will come in before he's inaugurated and put the US government under military control. Most of our military leaders know he's insane.

r191 Please just stop with this shit, makes you sound like a QAnon nutter. The military follows the guy who signs their checks, end of story.

[quote] R179 is so upset about politics he blocked everyone dealing with politics then came to very political DL to an obvious political thread and had a political discussion about his decision on not engage in politics.,

That has nothing to do with my decision. I cut out all the loudmouths who've worked overtime getting our hopes up. I'm more than happy to talk with people who realize that the worst that could happen can happen. Now we see they are nowhere nearly as smart as they've made themselves out to be. Of course, they're all in it (YouTube) for the money and little else. Ben Meiselas had better get his ass back to his law office. Looks like his days making a mint on YouTube are probably coming to a close.

Also, the military is a conservative institution and the majority of its members are conservative. They're celebrating right now.

[quote]I bet we will see that GenZ was pretty much a non issue once again as far as voting.

Gen Z men showed up for Trump.

Americans on both sides utterly detest on another.

These next four years will be fun to watch.

Time for a national abortion ban, ACA repeal, vaccine ban, pardoning all 1/6 insurrectionists, more conservatives on SCOTUS, huge tax cuts for the rich, mass deportations, tariff on everything, and on and on.

This is exactly what America voted for. Give America what it wants

R164 and how will trump lower that inflation ?

More popular vote data. Here in NJ, Kamala Harris only won by 5 points. That is a drastic shift. Biden beat Trump by 16 points in 2020. Trump did 11 points better here in NJ last night.

Meidas Touch Network was the first YouTube channel I thought of. I think a lot of them started out with the best of intentions but with some of them, you could just kinda tell they were phoning it in the past several months or longer.

R191 once again asking for an overthrow of the US govt by our military because our side lost. The US military from day learns one thing follow the constitution and respect the civilian leaders. Day two and e dry day after.

And please every order a potus makes has the possibility of putting people in danger. If the order is to go in and support Ukraine that’s exactly what our troops will do. If the order is to go in and help Russia that is exactly what our troops will do. Our troops will shoot whoever they are told to shoot.

We lost. We lost the popular vote. America has spoken..

If units are out together to send US teams into Mexico South America or south la to attack drug gangs there will be a waiting line of wannabe shooters trying to get into that unit. People will be reupping to get into those units.

And explain to me exactly what you see as an illegal order that our military leaders will not follow? Name one.

We fall for them because they are non-stop and they report on nothing else. Constant, constant.

[quote] Gen Z and Gen Alpha don’t care about community

There is absolute truth here. I volunteer for a few groups that are struggling because younger people are not volunteering. As older people leave, they are not being replaced.

I am convinced it is because younger people find community online rather than offline - and online communities are filled with manipulation and misinformation.

I think we are seeing that a country like America is too big to be a functioning democracy.

I think we are seeing a Russian Troll gloating.

R206 we lost last night but democracy won. This is how it’s supposed to work. Those with the most votes win.

We just don’t like the results that democracy has given us

r206, but for the previous 250 years?

OH SHIT! I just woke up.

[quote] If Democrats want to win the next election,

They will never win another election.

Be practical and have an escape plan.

Be happy that Peter Thiel is running the country.

At least there’s someone that may spare some gays.

Rich ones.

When I scroll through TikTok, in addition to the usual Agatha All Along videos on my For You Page, I see video after video by young men celebrating Trump’s victory. I usually have a lot of videos of young men on the feed, but they are usually showing VPL and gay baiting, but now they’re celebrating,

Trump will hand Ukraine over to Putin.

Absolutely. Zelensky is in serious danger now.

Here comes Project 25.

I would say this is a sound rebuke of the progressive wing of the Democrats. When Biden decided to drop out- too late, let's face it- there was a chorus of "you'd better put forth a black woman or else we'll sit out the election" from progressives.

But I doubt they will be willing to take a look at themselves like that. They'd rather be righteous than win.

Hell, even some people of color (men and women) in swing states chose Trump over her (especially working class Latinos, I'll bet), so misogyny is alive and well.

R206 and R207 my point being that there are no other nations as big as ours that are democracies. And as we JUST saw, yes albeit through a democratic process, 88 million people voted fora leader with autocratic tendencies who has publicly stated he wants to do away with the constitution the democracy is founded on. Maybe huge populations drift to very centralized leadership instead of a segmented governance elected by 200 million voices.

It’s more a question I’m posing than a final outcome. America is the Great Experiment. It wouldn’t have been called that if we knew exactly how it would go. And who knows with this new leadership where it will go. This could be a blip or a great shift. But when powers that be tell you the country might not be able to withstand what’s coming down the pipeline, it does make you question if everything that has been can or will last.

The clown show of cabinet picks, along with a Republican-controlled Senate, there will be easy confirmations. We really are fucked.

Reaching for a silver lining here, but -- re: R211 and all those fearing the instant end of vote-based Democracy in the USA.

Why the hell would that need to happen, from a Trumpist POV, when Trump shat out the worst campaign ever and then slouched through a total POPULAR vote victory? The system we have, as is, worked like a fucking charm for him last night. Any MAGA incentive to kill it, just went away or at least it got reduced.

I do believe in democracy. If this outcome is what the majority voted for, and it is, then they are 100% entitled to see it enacted. I predict it won't go well, and a majority will choose otherwise in the near future. But if you believe in democracy you have to grudgingly accept a loss when most voters disagree with you.

Ukraine is toast but soon a lot less citizens of the Ukraine will be killed in combat. The US and Russia will be on more friendly terms. I’d be surprised to see the Europeans support this without the US.

I have been wrong before. But maybe in four years I will look back and see this as a position day today—-unlikely because of my age but I hope for the best anyway for the country and things do improve..

[quote]The country has moved away from the values of DL.

Elise Jordan agreed with you on Morning Joe just now: "The progressive era should be over if you want to start winning again."

Democracy killed Democracy on Nov 2025. Now would be a good time to read Project 2025. It's what the country will look like in a very short time.

Blame right wing assholes who hate women and immigrants more than they love their country

French news is saying something about accusations of fraud from the Trump camp. From? They won.

In 2020 Biden won the popular vote 81M to 75M.

So far Harris has 66M to Trump's 71M. The counts are still being tabulated but I believe overall perhaps as much as 10M people didn't bother to vote this time around.

I've read the entire document R223. It sits on my desktop for easy access. It's much more terrifying than the average person knows. I'm sure almost nobody has read it through.

Now it's going to happen. And fast. After abortion, we gays are their next top target and they are properly organized this time. Now that the GOP have the senate and house they don't even need the plethora of executive orders which Project 2025 has drawn up. They don't even need them. They can do absolutely anything they want. Codified gay marriage can be reversed with a bill proposing its overturning and nullification. Gay rights, legal protections and anti-discrimination laws can all nullified with no resistance whatsoever.

For those who aren't aware - as soon as Trump took office in 2017, he had all mention of LGBT people removed from federal government websites. Totally scrubbed off the internet. Have a think about that.

Yet STILL we have clueless gays telling us how Trump and MAGA have absolutely no issues with gay people and that they only hate the transes.

[quote] The counts are still being tabulated but I believe overall perhaps as much as 10M people didn't bother to vote this time around.

At the moment, CA is 7 million fewer counted than 2020 total, so there’s the bulk of the difference.

My mind returns to the woke progressives in 2016 who bear so much responsibility for ushering in this Trump era. It’s like the parents of small children welcoming a pedophile into their home. Nothing good can come from that.

The people have spoken … the bastards.

R227 I just noticed that and I believe all hope for Harris was based on a historic turn out and a massive turn out of women. Which kills me because we have a massive swing towards a nasty autocrat chosen by a small minority. When they ban gay marriage and gay adoption and surrogacy it will be because 35% of the country voted Trump. This was easily missed because she drew crowds everywhere as did Tim Walz. JD had 10 guys in a parking lot. Tim was getting thousands on his own. There was an enthusiasm mirage.

The algorithm is also worth mentioning. I bet there are millions of people who never saw clips from Harris events in their feed. They got all the Trump lies and propaganda. Heck, I was getting that in my feed of Golden Girls memes and shirtless men. I can only imagine the feed of a 25 year old gamer or an old Christian woman.

Time will tell but it seems that her campaign did not have any inkling that she was in trouble as Clinton’s did. Clinton’s team knew in the last few days and scaled down celebrations. Harris’s team was building a big stage at Howard and Ann Selzer had her up 3 and the NYT had her winning Arizona and Georgia by 3. Even the Trumpy (but accurate in 16 and 20) Tipp poll had Harris +1 nationally at the end. So even they missed the support he would get nationally.

Where did you get the 35% from R232?

[quote]French news is saying something about accusations of fraud from the Trump camp. From? They won.

"I won more biggly than what they're saying! Fake news!"

We have capitalism on steroids in both the US and Canada. People are renting out closets in Vancouver for $800 a month. Liberals have screwed over the working class in favour of their billionaire donors. Of course Trump will be a million times worse but poor and uneducated people don't care they want to "own the libs". This combined with disinformation/misinformation is lethal to democracy.

I have also never seen a more apathetic and self interested generation as Gen Z. All the liberals said that they would turnout en masse. They didn't and the men voted for Trump when they did.

Well you wanted your authoritarian leader and you got him.

The accusations of fraud have to keep going to erode people's faith in democracy.

Holy fuck - America is doomed.

America is over.

America never really existed. It was stolen, built and sustained by slavery, and only white males had any rights for more than half of its existence. It’s really nothing but PR.

35% is just a very rough estimate based on turnout. Looks like around 65% of us voted for Kamala or stayed home or could not vote because they don't have citizenship.

Never underestimate the hatred of your relatives,friends and neighbors.

And it was just a few hours ago we were making fun of that dork JD and how he had tanked his career hitching it to trump.

President Vance

By end of 2026 at the latest.

They stopped updating the real numbers so it's quite possible we won the popular vote since the west coast numbers are still very low.

As of 2023 there are 262,083,034 eligible voters in the US. Roughly 138,000,000 people voted. We can blame the 124, 083, 034 non-voters for this travesty.

Literally 50% of eligible voters sat this election out.

158,429,631 voted in 2020. That's roughly 35 million people who voted last time and didn't vote this time, when the stakes were THIS high. Who are these fucking people, sitting out this election, of all possible elections?

What happened to all those massive early turnout claims. I remember seeing 150% of the 2020 turnout is already hit blah blah. I am shocked to see how low turnout actually was.

[quote] 158,429,631 voted in 2020. That's roughly 35 million people who voted last time and didn't vote this time,

And the 2020 election was in the middle of a deadly pandemic, and people still turned out to vote in higher numbers than this time.

As R243 points out so well, things would be different , if we could get the dumb clueless ignorant of politics who normally don’t give a shit about voting to show up and vote.

Sort of a blueprint for a 1000 year maga reign,

r245 Doesn't get much more damning that that, does it? In that respect, Biden's presidency was an utter failure. It was far from that, of course, but I fear history will not judge him kindly.

R247 if only Biden had listened to Obama and Nancy and dropped out of a 2nd term race to allow a primary.

R249 I know one thing, count your days migrants, count your mother fucking days!

It’s going to be very interesting from here on out

Re: R249, yet a NYC jury convicted Trump.

[quote]America never really existed. It was stolen, built and sustained by slavery, and only white males had any rights for more than half of its existence. It’s really nothing but PR.

It's absurd statements like this that alienated what is clearly millions of voters and lost this election.

IT'S THE VAGINA STUPID. We ran two women for POTUS . One white. One black. Both more qualified then their male opponent. In 2024 the black one lost just not the MALE vote but the FEMALE vote. Fish get back in the sea.

82 year old democrat and I could not vote for Harris. sadly the right one won.

Harris isn't qualified to be president

[quote]And Oprah?

Eating praline waffles and ice cream until her gastric bypass bursts?

[quote] Fish get back in the sea.

Nope. Because a country that will not vote for a woman will not vote a gay man. When women lose, we lose.

You're 82 and think Kamala isn't qualified but Trump is? Get out troll.

Kamala lost because she was a dull candidate, the very image of a well meaning, dithering liberal. Trump, narcissistic and psychotic as he is, comes across as strong. I mean, isn't everyone here terrified of the asshole? That's strength, and some people respect strength above all else.

Kamala should never have been the candidate, and only assumed the role because people were afraid of the fallout for not nominating the vice president woman of color.

[quote] Kamala lost because she was a dull candidate

Kamala delivered with her convention speech & the debate, but I agree she had nothing much to offer. Of course, in comparison to her opponent ....

I thought it was because another candidate could not take over Biden's money which was substantial.

Gretchen, Josh or Andy 100 days out starting from 0 with no money and no team (Kamala also knew Biden's people form the last election) would have seen Regan level wipe out because Trump is a titanium cult leader.

Because dumb shits wanted to be popular and be a mean girl like Trump. The mean girls rule the school and subconsciously people like that.

[quote]Nope. Because a country that will not vote for a woman will not vote a gay man. When women lose, we lose.

R257, women don't even vote for women. So there's that. I must say quietly but honestly - it's kind of liberating. Why should I, as a gay man who will never have kids, care more about a women's reproductive rights than actual fucking American women? Not my problem anymore. I mean women are a mess. 10% of the population got enough of a coalition to get a (although likely doomed) Marriage Equality Act together in the span of twenty five years and women STILL don't have equal pay after 100 years of being able to vote AND being the majority of voters. A mess.

R263, it's your sexism in addition with other men than prevents women from being able to get ahead.

Thoughts:

1. America, again, wasn't willing to have a woman president, never mind a woman of color.

2. Kamala wasn't a particularly visible VP and before she became a candidate, wasn't even particularly well-liked. I proudly voted for her and thought she would have been a good president. But it's not about someone like me. It's about those iffy voters who look for reasons not to vote for someone, imagining some perfect scenario.

3. Trump is a devil we know. Even people who think he's nuts have a comfort level with him (they really shouldn't) because he's a known entity. People normalize things. Plus he's never left the spotlight since losing the presidency and ran as a semi-incumbent thanks to the media. Obviously many people want to vote for him no matter. But the "comfort" thing may have pushed people who found a reason to not vote for Kamala to actually vote for Trump.

4. The economy? The party in power gets blamed for the economy no matter. Normal people don't care about the minutiae of government-released statistics. They care about how they feel about their financial situation - and we all lived through a massive inflationary period and saw, starkly, prices rise quickly.

5. "Their interests." The coastal liberal idea that a wide swath of working and middle class whites are voting "against their interests" by voting Republican and maybe come election day they'll realize that doing so is a mistake just doesn't pan out. Their interest is having a president in their image, and on top of that their interest is making sure "others" don't have what they see as undeserved and don't have the means (rights, jobs, money) to fight back.

If the Dem party loses women as their foundation they might as well close up shop and retire. Women and abortion are just bout the only things motivating Dem voters . Without them we are fucked. Christ we lost white blue color workers, black males, Hispanics especially Hispanic males, the rural vote, and now you are saying we don’t need women.

And BTW gay men are less than 2% of the population and women pretty close to 50%.

R263

Democracy has died, Clearly the system has been highjacked in today's reality. There are too many factors to corrupt the process now. Lobbyists, media consolidation. The 2 party system and special interests have ruined Democracy. Democracies time has passed and the putrid orange stain is ushering in the next thing. We will be seeing more of a command system that just pushes shit down hill and scams the benefits for themselves. He brought us a third world system of governance. The rich rule, period.

The only thing that gives me any comfort is the thought that once it all goes to hell, and it will fairly quickly, it's more likely that the brainless fools who voted for Trump will suffer much more than those of us who didn't.

r267 Plutocracy

gay men who identify as gay.... never mind the self hating ones who claim bi or straight and vote Trump. So the question is now, what are our options? We can't count on Biden making any laws from now to Jan Trump will just reverse them. We can't count on the Supreme Court, he will most certainly stack and pack it. He has congress, he has the Senate, He has the supreme court and the popular vote. Project 2025 is defacto now, we are just waiting for the first pen swipe to get things rolling. The only way out is through and I doubt after this Dems will have a majority ever. I am seriously considering moving to Puerto Vallarta. Cash out everything I have and just live off that till I die in Mexico. Any other options?

Are you fucking kidding me R264 with that shit right now? Today of ALL days? You need to talk several seats with that mess considering it was women who just handed over their bodies to the government by the ballot box full, massive turnout from females for TRUMP. Sexism, sheesh. Here is a little secret - women have proven themselves to be no longer victims - you're historically enablers. That rather sing songs about "Who Run the World?" in America than actually do it.

r245, that is terrible

[quote]5. "Their interests." The coastal liberal idea that a wide swath of working and middle class whites are voting "against their interests" by voting Republican and maybe come election day they'll realize that doing so is a mistake just doesn't pan out. Their interest is having a president in their image, and on top of that their interest is making sure "others" don't have what they see as undeserved and don't have the means (rights, jobs, money) to fight back.

indeed, we from the left thinking about their interests clearly isn't helping elect the right people.

What a fucking ass kicking.

r10 White women hate women. Black women voted for hillary clinton and Kamala harris

[quote] Any other options?

Nope, we the people were the last guardrail because everything else failed to restrain him. Now, the people have failed, and have handed him the Senate, the Courts and possibly the House. That was it. He has unchecked power now.

Fasten your seatbelts kids.

Yeah, I can’t believe he’ll end the documents case, the insurrection case, Judge Merchan would be a fool to sentence him later this month - he’d put his and his family’s lives on the line to do so and it’s not worth that. Biden had better pardon Hunter on his way out the door or that’ll never end.

Was Fani Willis re-elected? He won GA, there’s no point in continuing the RICO case.

The entire rule of law, down the drain. Unbelievable.

So which country is the oldest democracy in the world now?

Fuck Hunter. He did nothing but hurt. Time to start thinking about 2026 and 2028. If this does not get straightened out we could see decades of gop rule.

My friend said the following:

'I sat down with a drink, Kornacki zoomed in on a Puerto Rican county in Florida. He said 'let's check the margins after MSG.' The margin was better than 2020 and that was it. From that moment, the air was sucked out of the studio'

YES! Looking back there wasn't one moment of joy. 5 minutes in there seemed to be an inevitability in the MSNBC studio. After all the talk of new registrations and ground game, it looks like the turnout was shit. It looks like he got 15 million fewer votes while Trump got just under his 2020 number. We lost races where Dems won every other down ballot race. It was a weird election.

[quote] I am seriously considering moving to Puerto Vallarta. Cash out everything I have and just live off that till I die in Mexico. Any other options?

Leaving the country is what you should do. Take that option.

Don't worry, we got this in 2028. Really. Seriously.

I made a post maybe 10-12 days ago. It was about a CNN segment that showed Trumps popularity increasing somewhat significantly from 2016 to 2020 to 2024.

Of course I was called a Russian troll and stupid and that data could not possibly have been true—-but that cnn segment should have been a real warning.

[quote]Basically, there is no such thing as the "Latino vote". There's the Mexican-American vote, the Puerto Rican vote, the Cuban vote, etc.

What white people have never understood is that the various Latino ethnic groups fucking hate each other. They're basically the same as the various European ethnic groups, who have been fucking hating each other for hundreds and hundreds of years.

oh lets not forget he is pardoning all the jan 6th traitors

This is Weimar 1933. Leave now. By 2028 it will be too late.

As I posted elsewhere, it won’t be long before Latino voters will be fully assimilated with all white voters. Just as what happened to Americans of Italians & Polish descent, who once were singled out by politicians.

R287 it won’t happen, Latinos would like to, because they feel like they belong as much as white people do to America.but white racism see them as the others. They have exotic features and they will never be accepted as whites.

[quote]Well, it is a great irony, [R75], that the Jews have solidified the rise of fascism in the world.

God you people are so tiresome.

r288 it very much depends on what they look like. Short brown native types will never be "White." But taller, attractive, more Euro-looking examples will, even if they have darker skin tone.

Yep. We lost it because the Biden administration had a bad immigration policy and people drank the kool-aid that this alone increased violent crime. (Not counting city and state policies that were soft on crime). People bought into fear, xenophobia and racism and they showed up to vote that way.

R 290 that would be the Cubans, however, the new gen z generation that are coming from Cuba are clearly very mixed unlike my generation and they clearly do not have pure european features but rather more mixed race ones. These Cubans are about to experience something that they never thought was possible in this country as they will see what racism is really like if they go outside their safe zone in miami

It sounds like you wish extreme racism in the US was still rampant so brown looking people could suffer more.

If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for a black female, why did the Democrats nominate a black female?

Biden followed the law with immigration policy and then hoped Congress would do its job and write a new immigration law.

But the GOP loves to run on immigration and always blocks proposed new immigration laws.

Trump was able to keep pounding that illegals are invading, when in actuality, they are here legally through our asylum process.

But details don't matter to a public that like sound bites.

[quote] why did the Democrats nominate a black female?

Dems know they cant win without the Black vote. Blacks didn't come out for Hillary because she had no one Black on her team. Biden learned and added Kamala specifically for that one reason--and Blacks came out.

[quote] It sounds like you wish extreme racism in the US was still rampant so brown looking people could suffer more.

We just learned half of America is rather fine with the racism from the right, even the presidential candidiate.

If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for a liberal why did the Democrats nominate a liberal?

If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for someone that supports trans/ gay rights why did the Democrats nominate someone that supports trans/ gay rights?

With a small word change you can also insert California among other words if you want. In fact there is no limit to how many words you can insert into this game.

r292 I'm not even talking specifically about Cubans. They could be from anywhere. Guys like this magat from El Salvador will be drafted into whiteness in the future.

Not understanding why Dems didn't hit Trump harder on him torpedoing the bipartisan border bill

[quote] But the GOP loves to run on immigration and always blocks proposed new immigration laws.

No, if the GOP takes control of the House, they will immediately pass HR2 again, the same as they did in this Congress.

[quote] If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for someone that supports trans/ gay rights

Americans will vote for someone who supports gay rights.

R51 Starting a war and losing doesn’t make you a victim of genocide. During WWII, 3,810,000 German civilians were killed. Was Germany a victim of genocide? On 10/7/23, Palestinians invaded Israel to commit the largest attack on Jews since the Holocaust. They still hold a one year old and five year old hostage.

Consider that Jews, like myself, are sick of the antisemitism of the left. Sick of Jewish students being harassed on campus. Sick of the support of the murder, kidnapping and rape of Jews. Sick of Arab’s desire for another genocide of Jews. Sick of all of it.

Then don’t be surprised when Jews don’t vote for the party that supports all of that.

[quote]If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for a black female, why did the Democrats nominate a black female?

Because in recent years, Democrats have become obsessed with putting "women of color" in positions of power whatever the cost.

When Biden dropped out suddenly in the summer, this allowed them to replace him with Kamala, so they became obsessed with electing not only the first female president but the first WOC.

That's all they cared about.

R392 sorry but that was not the point. It was a reference to this comment

“If Kamala lost because she is a black female why did the Dems nominate a black female?”

The fact is this was never going to be the Dems year

What’s the worst thing that can happen to the democratic party? That the next four or eight years are a popular success.

[quote] Not understanding why Dems didn't hit Trump harder on him torpedoing the bipartisan border bill

Kamala said it at every speech. Men didn't care

"Massive ground games" mean nothing in the age of Lex Fridman and Joe Rogan. The Dems don't understand young male voters and don't understand how to create spaces that feel non-judgemental, fun, and inclusive for young men and poor people who didn't go to college.

[quote] Consider that Jews, like myself, are sick of the antisemitism of the left. Sick of Jewish students being harassed on campus. Sick of the support of the murder, kidnapping and rape of Jews. Sick of Arab’s desire for another genocide of Jews. Sick of all of it.

So, reward the side that chants, "Jews will not replace us?" Sure, that will work out great

I wonder what the TikTokers for Palestine will think this time next year after Bibi wipes out Gaza with Trump's support. 🤔

[quote] Starting a war and losing doesn’t make you a victim of genocide. During WWII, 3,810,000 German civilians were killed. Was Germany a victim of genocide? On 10/7/23, Palestinians invaded Israel to commit the largest attack on Jews since the Holocaust. They still hold a one year old and five year old hostage.

I don't want to convert this thread into a Palestinian vs Israel thread, but Palestinians didn't start the war. Israel is an apartheid state, even if the US props it up and Israel pretends it's a democracy. Israel has suppressed Palestinians since its founding. Yes, Hamas is a terrorist group, but it's convenient that we don't call countries with armies terrorist countries, As for genocide, we now know Israel is as fine with killing Palestinians as vice versa.

[quote]Not understanding why Dems didn't hit Trump harder on him torpedoing the bipartisan border bill

The people that voted for him don't care about a "bipartisan border bill." That is abstract to them. It's nothing. It doesn't register. They want the mass deportations. They want the cruelty. That's the stark cold reality.

The border is an abstract concept to most Americans. Just because the right trumpets "open borders" doesn't make it true. Just because the right trumpets "terrible economy" doesn't make it true.

The GOP is expert at scaring Americans with some made up problems (kids are getting trans surgeries! Immigrants are raping and taking your jobs!). The Dems try way to hard to be the party of reason. That doesn't win votes.

Dems only win when there is a economic crisis, always caused by the GOP.

What did the unhappiest person in the world say earlier today?

“If only I had not blabbed about shooting that fucking dog”

[quote] America is the Great Experiment.

And today that experiment failed. This is who we are. By popular vote. By majority.

You can now say, the Majority of Americans are racist, sexist, homophobic, MAGA. Those of us who are not, are just aberrations.

[quote] The GOP is expert at scaring Americans with some made up problems (kids are getting trans surgeries! Immigrants are raping and taking your jobs!).

Yes, there won't be another word about all of those little boys having 'brutal operations' during their lunch break. I almost wish that he was smarter and slicker. It physically hurts me to think that people believe those absurd lies.

R316, he has the luxury of not having to be smart or slick. His base are bamboozled fools with zero critical thinking skills. There’s a reason why the gop has been advocating for defunding public education for a long time now. The dumber the populace, the easier it is for them to believe the most outlandish and ridiculous lies that are constantly crammed down their gullets. At this point, they willingly open their mouths while trump and co. feed them bullshit, all the while screaming ‘more, MORE!’

I had said last week that this would be a Trump blowout and everyone said I was nuts. I was right yet again. I was hoping to be wrong but the guy made a pact with the devil.

Your comment reminded me that the cycle will continue. He will destroy public education. A Dem will probably win in 2028. He will be blamed for poor schools so a Republican will win in 2032. Ugh. Her DNC speech and debate were total perfection, cannot believe he won so easily.

Anyone watching the concession speech? She looks and sounds so presidential. Too good for this garbage can full of stupid people.

I am sort of tearing up, she's a better person than I am, it it were me I dont think I could make the speech honestly.

I didn’t tear up until I heard Joy Reid’s reaction.

Nice speech. It moved Claire McCaskill to tears.

[quote]Anyone watching the concession speech? She looks and sounds so presidential.

It sounded like it was written by AI.

You must believe in yourself, you have the power, we must do the work, and we love to work, and when we work, we work hard. I believe in you and I believe in the power that all of us have no matter who we are, no matter what race or gender or belief we hold in our hands. We will not give up, we will move forward unencumbered by the past, only looking toward the future....

That's Kamala Harris.

[quote]If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for a liberal why did the Democrats nominate a liberal?

Americans WILL vote for a "liberal" Look at Obama. Even Hillary won the popular vote.

[quote] If Kamala lost because Americans won’t vote for someone that supports trans/ gay rights why did the Democrats nominate someone that supports trans/ gay rights?

Well, there you have a point.

R325 Well then you made the point. Americans will also vote for a black (Obama won) and they will vote for a woman ( Clinton won the popular vote)

Trump just kicked our ass. Trump is a fucking force of nature. He is immune from what would tank anyone else at my other point in time,

He is totally and completely unique in American history, If I ever learn that Trump is not of this world I will not be even a little surprised,

Obama supported gay rights and did well. But you can't just go "trans/gay" rights like those are the same thing. They are not.

R327 is correct. The trans thing is what killed it.

All the pundits are trying to find that magic quality that enabled a wheezy 78-yr. old felon to win. But it's simple: a bunch of rednecks just didn't want a colored woman in the top spot.

^ Rednecks? She won with the help of 55% of Hispanic men and 42% of the youth vote.

^ Oooops: HE won.

The one thing about losers is that they will come up with lots of excuses why they lost.nits usually it’s someone else’s fault.

Maybe America just got tired of an America that looked and sounded like DL? What if we are part of the problem?

We? Speak for yourself. I did all I can do to not get Dump elected.

I agree Trans are really unpopular overall and any time trans rights become an issue, people want to vote against them.

But I still don't think they were a huge part of Kamala's loss here, despite all the ads. The biggest thing seems to be people latch onto this inflation narrative and like a dog with a bone just never let go. Biden was the Inflation Candidate, and then she became the Inflation Candidate, and that actually seems to be a thing that happened around the world. Everybody in the post-covid economy of the past few years turned into some weird Jan Economist: Inflation, Inflation, Inflation!!!

I think Repugs 3 top issues:

1. The Economy 2. The Border 3. Tran in sports

I'm ok financially and have cut back on eating out because it's gotten so expensive. I can't imagine how a lower middle class family is coping with high prices. Inflation is a reality for people. Not addressing it doomed the Dems. Plus the "woke" agenda is loathed by the vast majority including many POC

R336, the Biden/Harris administration made their situation far, far worse when they tried the ludicrous tack of saying that the economy was actually great and people just didn’t realize that. Telling people that the higher grocery prices they continue to pay even now was in all in their head, when people could see the current prices and compare to what they knew the old prices were, was insane as a campaign tactic.

Maybe the voting counts are wrong. I'll grasp at any straw right now.

It's about housing, groceries and taxes. They're all too high. And migrants getting free housing, health care and debit cards did the Democrats no favors.

He went to NC four times in the days before the election. Every Democrat on the ballot won except Harris who lost by 350,000. Even his internal polling showed her ahead.

It's about housing, groceries and taxes

And he never gave any policy on any of these. He's just going to fix them. Magic. Whoosh. People are so stupid.

R341, part of the vote is punishing the Biden/Harris administration for the high inflation they caused, regardless of whether or not Trump has a plan for it.

[quote]It's about housing, groceries and taxes

No you left out one very important one. He campaigned on Trans issues. 30 million just for that one topic alone. Stop trying to gaslight us that it had nothing to do with it. Not saying it's the only thing, but it's in the top 3 of most MAGA.

We lost because the people who voted for biden in 2020 did not vote for Kamala. Either they decided not to or could not due to voting law changes. Less people voted for Trump than in 2020, but not like Kamala. The dem drop in voters was close to 30 million overall. I blame those people.

Stolen election

Wrong, Trump over preformed in over 3,000 counties than he did the last time. He literally got more votes regardless of Dems who did not vote.

We lost because the people who voted for biden in 2020 did not vote for Kamala. Either they decided not to or could not due to voting law changes.

Huh?

[quote]Less people voted for Trump than in 2020, but not like Kamala.

Oh, dear.

All I know is that switching channels and coming across Erin Burnett, I think she looks from her shit-eating grin like she’s having one orgasm after another in reaction to Trump having won.

R309 Open your eyes. It’s already working.