*OFFICIAL ELECTION THREAD 2024 (PART 3)*—Terminator 2024: The Morning After

Indeed! Let's plow forward.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble but it's going to be blue wall or nothing. Women voting for abortion right are also voting for Trump. Students coming out in massive number do not mean they are for Harris, the "bro" vote is going to cancel out the normal progressive vote. Nevada and Arizona are going to be for Trump, full of retired Boomers and non-college educated whites. That's my prediction. Got to hold the blue wall.

Election results LIVE: AP race calls, electoral map, Trump and Harris:

She has to hold PA plus one of GA, NC or WI. An additional win in anything else is gravy.

I think I’m going to have to go to bed soon.

Carol Moseley Braun and Laphonza Butler were both appointed.

Only Kamala Harris, Lisa Blunt Rochester and Angela Alsobrooks were elected.

Ted Cruz wins. Ugh…

If Trump wins, America deserves what it did to itself.

300k+ votes about to come out of Gwinnett County, GA any minute now.

I need to get to bed soon too.

I feel sick.

Well at least we've been here before... thanks for the training camp Hills!

This is really too close to be acting like anything is "gravy" at this point.

Shit, sorry, I just started another Part 3, didn't see this one.

My TV is on mute. I can't take Kornacki tonight.

His penny and nickeling the votes; his breathless reporting of the granular metrics that favor Trump.

Ugh. I like Kornacki. He's a numbers nerd which I admire, but it's too much for me right now.

and I can't stand Jake Tapper who is, you know, so much smarter than you and me.

I have a feeling it won't be called until tomorrow.

I am sure Joanna Gaines and her dorky husband with their Fundi followers are thrilled with Cruz.

[quote]If Trump wins, America deserves what it did to itself.

No shit, Sherlock

Harry Enten:

[quote] Lackawanna in Pennsylvania is now mostly in. Harris is winning the county of Biden's native Scranton by 3 points. That's a good 5 points behind Biden's 2020 performance and looks a lot more like 2016. Another underperformance for Harris in Pennsylvania, a state she almost certainly needs to win.

Plenty of paths for her to win.

[quote]A lot of bad will happen if rump wins. Starting with women’s rights

Did women really come out for Harris as was predicted? Has anyone said?

If a state is declared one way or the other early (counted in the official vote, say Vermont for example) and then all of the votes are counted, can the official declaration be reversed or once declared its a done deal?

Harry Enten:

[quote] In Pennsylvania, the exurbs are looking Trumpy. In Lackawanna County (Scranton), Harris is underperforming Biden by a couple of thousand votes, though she’s ahead of Trump right now. Our newsroom colleague Nate Cohn has this to say: “It’s still very early in Pennsylvania, but in the first few counties where voting is complete, along with hundreds of completed precincts across the state, Trump is running ever so slightly better than he needs to win.”

I don’t see doom yet but this is fucking stressful. It’s all looking like a potentially very tight finish… and it’s all looking like the pollsters and polling averages were much more correct than not.

Newsweek article that explains a lot about why her votes are down with Black voters, especially men.

“ And then there's Harris' record as a prosecutor. That's a deal-breaker for Quin, an ex-convict: "I don't trust corrupt prosecutors or prosecutors with hidden records."

Harris' prosecutorial record has been a source of contention for many in the Black community, who believe she contributed to mass incarceration during her stint as California's attorney general and in prior positions. Her perceived role in imposing policies that disproportionately affected Black Americans has created a deep distrust among many Black men.”

I don't know how anybody would really know that yet r20. That's the problem with all these snap exit polls.

R19 At this point it's only possible with the three blue wall states...

... and PA is starting to look like a problem.

I love this country. I'll keep working for liberty and justice no matter how this turns out.

Ugly

So how bad will it be if Trump wins and he gets rid of the EPA, FDA, Installs Elon as a shadow President, and RFK Jr in charge of healthcare?

[Quote] If a state is declared one way or the other early (counted in the official vote, say Vermont for example) and then all of the votes are counted,

What?

R24, oh please, no one knows her history as a prosecutor or even if that’s true.

As if Trump’s call for innocent black men to be executed and not renting apartments to black families mean nothing

Harris struggling in Virginia is a bad indicator for Penn.

There is nothing 'close' about this.

It's disgusting and a clear win for them.

R22 The only official declaration is from the state’s Secretary of State. Of course the “calling” of races tonight is NOT official. Kind of a dumb question.

For R21 ^^

R23 I'll eat crow here. I was so cynical that all the pollsters were hording to cover their ass... weighting the data to keep it close.

It's close. I guess they were right.

This is insane. The man is a criminal. The dems dragged their feet prosecuting him. This will change the country forever, I am seriously considering moving to Mexico,

The polls were right. Razor thin margins. No surprises (except maybe Virginia).

Whatever he did worked. It seems as if Trump got his people to come out and vote.

America hurt itself in it's confusion.

It will be fine, r28.

I will say what I’ve been saying. This race may come down to the Governors of swing states. The Governors can find ways to connect the state apparatus with their party apparatus.

If I’m right, our Dem Governors in PA, MI, WI and NC will be a deciding advantage.

[quote]There is nothing 'close' about this. It's disgusting and a clear win for them.

But...but...but..

R30 yea. We do. That is all PUBLIC RECORDS. You must be very young because your lack of education is shining bright.

However, when she was made VP for Biden they suddenly locked up and hid many records. Hmmmm

Not that I'm hoping to lose the will to live, but do we have any sense of the house or senate?

R20- That lovely theory seems to be some quaint notion from another time-

This country has shown its ugly cards.

I am making peace with this now and will just stop watching the news..

The effects of this dictatorship will probably not show in any form for me personally until my 2026/2027 taxes. Social security will be gone..

I am never, ever, ever trusting another soul ever. I will try to be as kind as I can and fight for good wherever i can.

In my mind, this is over. I will not be checking anything tomorrow- In a few weeks I am sure I will have to face it, but I will avoid all articles and any videos, ect-

I never expected this from our country- After all this man did? He desecrated our capitol. I just can never look at anything the same way again.

Good night all-

Yes, r32, we've noted your "concern" numerous times.

R38 no, Democrats once again didn’t read the room. Even when some black and brown people kept telling them to

Blame Merrick Garland if you’re going to blame anyone.

R48, the prosecutions against Trump probably helped more than hurt him. It tied his voters to him even more strongly.

I don't trust CNN's exit polling. How would Trump with Michigan Latinos by 25% (60/35) yet Kamala wins them in Wisconsin 61/38? Does that make any sense? Their exit polling looks like extremely noisy nonsense.

Well it's clear the hillbillies rose to the occasion. There's signs everywhere they showed up in great numbers. I hope they're all in food lines by February.

Dear World,

Can we actually wait to see who wins this election before the recriminations start?

Thanks,

Uncle Harry

Steve Patterson on MSNBC is hot!

Are we really about to do another four years with this maniac?

It’s a dark day for America.

What are all these Nazis on a gay site?

Rosemary, you don't know me. I'm Grace Cardiff, Hutch's friend.

R55 Hey Einstein, if she loses (and she may well NOT lose still) it's not because she was too tough on criminals.

I am so sorry but yeah. This will be no 2012.

We now need the remainder to go Harris’s way and strongly, or that’s it.

If Mighty Joe isn’t doing his told ya so dance yet, he definitely deserves to do. This is Pelosi’s legacy.

Yeah, I'm sure all those white voters in rural Georgia were deeply concerned about her tendency to arrest black men in California. Sure of it.

Symone Sanders is reporting that the GA bomb threats have been successful. The numbers are down.

Phil Mattingly:

[quote] In Pennsylvania, Harris is running ahead of Biden's '20 margin in Allegheny (Pittsburgh) by just shy of 3 points and well ahead of Clinton in '16. Most notable thing for Dems is that the so-called collar counties have 70% or more of the vote still outstanding. Biggest concern has to be Philly, where it's still early, but Harris is running 5 points behind Biden's '20 margin with 55% reported.

Trump now 8% ahead in PA. PA is lost.

The GOP outsourced its get out the vote machine. Everyone laughed at them. But it seems to be doing pretty well.

Let’s hope the evil fucker dies before January’s inauguration.

[quote]the prosecutions against Trump probably helped more than hurt him. It tied his voters to him even more strongly.

Bingo. Don't poke the bear, and I don't mean Trump; I mean his voters.

Biden would not have won, R63.

I know its early, but what were the factors here? I still think Harris will eke out a victory, btw.

Is it bigotry and misogyny? Inflation and prices of basic goods? Immigration?

The analysis will be lengthy and complex.

R63 Hon, Joe would have lost every state but CA, NY and MA. Maybe MA and CN and WA.

So who’s staying up and who’s going to bed? The former was my plan but it now just feels masochistic and the outcome is almost certainly not going to be clear even by sunrise.

Link r67? I don't see that figure.

R61, I wonder if DL fave Patrick Schwarzenegger/Shriver voted the same way as his Mom & Dad this year (eg. for Kamala)?

I'm going to bed, r74, and hoping for the best.

R60 it’s because she was TOO TOUGH on non-violent criminals. And that’s why the black vote with Democrats is highly down this time and up with Republicans.

But stay in denial

PA, GA and NC are all going to go for Trump. It's over.

[Quote] What are all these Nazis on a gay site?

It’s one troll.

And he looks like Ginny from Billing.

[quote]If Mighty Joe isn’t doing his told ya so dance yet, he definitely deserves to do. This is Pelosi’s legacy.

Will you please quit with the "Mighty Joe" shit.

Torta I'll be turning in at 11:30 here, on the east coast. It will be morning before we know - but I do think we'll know by then.

I don't think I can sleep.

STFU with the dooming.

[quote]I know its early, but what were the factors here? I still think Harris will eke out a victory, btw.

If she loses PA, everyone knows what she could have done differently to give her the state.

R64 it’s why she lost so many black voters. The black vote is DOWN for Dems for the first time this year.

I knew that Iowa poll was too good to be true.

There is definitely a troll (or trolls) shitting all over these threads. I keep blocking it, but it keeps posting from socks.

I feel sick. I have that feeling you get in the pit of your stomach like you get right before you're about to do something scary -- like, say, jump off the high diving board.

This can't can't can't be happening again. It just can't. It can't!! I want to scream.

I'm too upset to count or keep track. Please tell me -- is there any way she can still win?

We all seem to be feeling the same sense of dread.

Steve Kornacki is saying that Kamala is performing more like Hillary Clinton did in Michigan in 2016, than Joe Biden did in 2020.

The way the states are being called, it all seems to be in favor of Trump.

I'm going to have to start mentally preparing myself.

[quote]It’s a dark day for America.

It's a dark day for the whole world, assuming it comes to pass. His economic shitstorm will hurt us all.

R83, try to relax by looking at some videos of naked men. Usually works for me.

Trump is over performing his 2020 numbers in all the hick, rural counties everywhere.

Manu Raju:

[quote] Democrats are in danger territory for control of the Senate. Sherrod Brown, the Ohio Democrat, is losing against Republican businessman Bernie Moreno with more than 80% of vote in. If Brown goes down, that could be the ball game.

Listen guys, keep it simple. Is Kamala going to lose? I don’t have time to read a million earlier entries. I have the same feeling I had when Hillary lost.

In Senate news, I'm glad that in New Mexico Martin Heinrich defeated Nella Domenici. Nella thought she could elected on nepo baby privilege. It didn't pan out because many people have moved from her deceased daddy Pete's legacy. It makes me happy that people didn't fall for nepo baby bullshit in NM. Also, Nella's half brother Adam Laxalt the love child her dad fathered lost a Senate race in Nevada in 2022. Nella and Adam have political defeat in common.

R78 Good question and great timing. It really is time (for me, a 74 year old man) to exercise some discipline.

The world is good... love really is stronger than hate.

She could still win... but it does no one any good to keep seeing a possible slide into darkness. Thanks Torta, Poll Troll and all the other DL stalwarts. Joy will come in the morning.... it was always OUR job to find it.

Going to "bed" now.

Trump? Again? What is wrong with this country? When people are interviewed they say "it's inflation ... or it's the border ... or I like his policies." They have no idea how much he is going to screw up the economy with his lamebrained tarriff plans. Plus the social unrest will be off the charts Now the movie "Civil War" seems very prescient, because MAGA is being given the keys to power and they will want to hurt people. It's very disturbing.

R95 Yes, it's over.

Kamala needs 157 electoral votes, Trump needs 60.

Phil Mattingly:

[quote] If you're wondering how Harris went from being down in Michigan to now up by 115,000 votes, two words for you: Wayne County. We've spent most of the night with about 1% in there, but the county has started reporting and Harris got a huge bump in kind. Harris sits at 92.7-5.9 with 15% reporting. There's a ton of vote outstanding and that margin isn't close to where it will end, but that's your explanation.

I'm feeling sick...

it's the potato salad...

I’ll repeat myself. Dems please don’t nominate a woman in 2028: for President. Nominate the most alpha white guy you have left in the party.

Can you just imagine the doom that will happen if Trump wins the Presidency, with Republicans controlling the Senate and House also.

He will have complete control over this country.

The Dark Side will have won.

R93 no. He’s over performing in blue areas too. You must not be understanding what they’re saying.

r94 control of the Senate was always a high dream. It was expected to go to the Repubs this cycle, but 1 or 2 seats.

by 1 or 2 seats at r106.

I think we all know already what we’re going to wake up to. I’m thankful I’ve had all my vaccines, as we’re about to see smallpox spreading like wildfire in our elementary schools. Everything old is new again!

R103 It will need to be a moderate Dem guy with military expereince.

He’s winning in every swing state. How?

It all comes down to the cities and urban centers I guess. Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philly will show us who is President by morning. I have hope still, it will be close but we'll have a win.

[quote]I’ll repeat myself. Dems please don’t nominate a woman in 2028: for President. Nominate the most alpha white guy you have left in the party.

Shapiro

R30, right, these people clearly have no idea about Trump and the Central Park Five.

[quote]Listen guys, keep it simple. Is Kamala going to lose? I don’t have time to read a million earlier entries. I have the same feeling I had when Hillary lost.

I don't think it's clear. The blue wall isn't gone. If she holds PA and MI she can do it with one of WI, GA or NC.

R103 which is what I said months ago and everyone here attacked me and got me greyed out from posting for simply stating the TRUTH.

Obama won’t ever happen again. At least not anytime soon. And a woman? Not happening in this country. Dems need to stop playing games and do what’s best for the party vs “trying to make history”

A moderate Dem guy with military experience Not from California or NY.

[quote] [R103] It will need to be a moderate Dem guy with military expereince.

You called?

R110 because Kamala is not liked. Dems really live in a bubble. I’m one but not a bubble type. I travel. I see the country. I know there is a lot more than urban cities

I’m feeling good about MI, PA, WI, and AZ.

Also I’m baffled by the instant post-mortems above that point to Black men. We will need to understand so many things - like why so many very young men of all races leapt to Trump/Vance.

[Quote] Kamala needs 157 electoral votes

Which she absolutely, positively could get.

Everybody calm down. All the doom wailing does nothing but help Trump is the election flips.

Explain R119

[quote]Trump is over performing his 2020 numbers in all the hick, rural counties everywhere.

Not just rural areas.

The Mortimer club is restricted, r112.

Trump is going to win. The end. Literally the end. I am looking into Mexico Resident Visas right now. I will leave the country.

A moderate Dem guy with potential military experience who focuses on the economy and immigration.

[quote] He’s winning in every swing state. How?

I had been hearing for some time that that was a possibility. Or that Harris could win 6 of the 7, with Arizona long thought to be outside her reach.

R110 A lot of the experts said they thought the swing states would all go one way rather than a few for each candidate. It looks like that is the case.

Can we please wait until the results are finalized before starting the analysis on why she lost?

CBS analyst is explaining that there is 6-8% shift from Democrats to Republicans in the Latino precincts in Philadelphia. The angry PRs have gone missing.

If Kamala loses, it's not because of Kamala. It's because Americans care more about their own paychecks (which itself makes no sense, since Trump wants to enact crazy tariffs, but I guess vibes matter more) than they do about human rights/democracy. We fully deserve what comes our way if he wins. It is blowing my mind that Trump actually GAINED ground with Puerto Ricans in Florida.

R120, young men are attracted to Trump's authoritarianism. They are much more susceptible to right-wing propaganda than women.

[quote]I know its early, but what were the factors here? I still think Harris will eke out a victory, btw. Is it bigotry and misogyny? Inflation and prices of basic goods? Immigration? The analysis will be lengthy and complex.

There is a bit of a Bradley effect, but not about race, about sex. I think ultimately what this and Hillary's loss shows us is the immense problem of "anointing" a woman. I think many areas of the "coalition" are simply too conservative to accept a woman in the Presidency and they will defect over that. Working class culture is misogynistic.

Trump appealed to the tribalism of values. If you were a working class Hispanic voter, you have more in common with your white peers than you do with middle class independents and Democrats in the suburbs.

Torta at r120 - there will be a LOT of analysis of these trends. What happened? It's the strangest thing ever.

I’m still baffled that the Dems who live in liberal bubbles really thought Kamala would win when Clinton couldn’t.

Wow, I can't believe it

I guess they should have had an open primary. I can think of at least 10 democrats who would have wiped the floor with Trump. I loved how quickly Datalounge forgot how much even they hated Kamala. A Shapiro/Klobuchar ticket would have been able to declare victory at 8:05 PM. How Harris got on the top of the ticket is just an affront to voters. A disgusting display.

Black vote is down with black women also. It’s just moreso with men.

Kamala being a woman is hardly an issue, women have become presidents in far more conservative/trad countries (Mexico for crying out loud). The US has just had shitty female candidates.

We won't have any secrets left, trump gonna sell to all his Russian friends

R137 hmmmm some of us said this months ago and were told to STFU.

“KAMALA IS PERFECT! SHE CANT LOSE!”

Sorry....

Leave *tonight*, r125.

Shapiro/Klobuchar ticket??? You can’t be serious, R137

R135 no one liked Clinton for 20+ years. Also, Bernie Sanders got some protest vote.

Phil Mattingly:

[quote] And just like that, Harris pulls ahead in Milwaukee. More votes came into Dane, bumping her margin there up a tick. But with 85% of the vote in, Dems simply need to do better - and have some places to do so, particularly in Milwaukee. We'll see...

R120 By the numbers at least years ago it was already up to a third of adult straight men are technically incels. Meaning they've been unable to find a sexual partner in over a year despite wanting to. That is already a clear social crisis that won't end well and many years of onlyfans and dating apps and social media later it's probably nearly half of them if not more. This isn't surprising at all to me.

R67- he is not 8% ahead in PA. He’s up about 2%

R139 we aren’t those countries. We are America. What kind of idiot uses other countries in regards to America?

The people who hate women hate Democrats. The people who can't imagine voting for a woman can't imagine voting for a Democrat. The people who hate Kamala Harris for being a woman also hate her for being a Democrat. It is not some simple formula of inserting a white male in there and everything becomes hunky-dory. It never was and never will be.

What the people who are insisting on a white male candidate are really insisting on is a racist, misogynist asshole who will basically be a carbon copy of the Republican douchebro candidate that will inevitably win the Republican nomination.

R125, Mexico? Wouldn't you prefer a more democratic country to move to, like Canada? It is also more pro-gay and speaks the same language.

Sherrod Brown loses his Senate seat.

Blood bath.

R149, flesh that out.

[quote] I’ll repeat myself. Dems please don’t nominate a woman in 2028: for President. Nominate the most alpha white guy you have left in the party.

[quote] Shapiro

Shapiro is Jewish. He wouldn't be able to win over Evangelicals or Christian Nationalists.

As long as the US has a sizeable conservative Christian population, a Jewish person would have very little chance of winning.

David French:

[quote] If present trends continue, then this election won’t end up all that close in the Electoral College. That will change the post-mortems considerably. It won’t come down to Shapiro in Pennsylvania or to Arab Americans in Michigan but rather to nationwide trends that are mirrored in the swing states.

R149 that was a response to a post saying that the US was too trad/con to vote for a woman, and I'm saying that's not an issue, and why.

R144 Harris/Walz ticket??? You can’t be serious. Wait you were.

I guess Trump voters didn't think he fucked things up sufficiently the first time around. Don't worry idiots: he'll take care of business this time.

If the Dems can’t win the House we are really screwed.

[quote] Sherrod Brown loses his Senate seat.

Yeah, most didn't think Trump would increase his vote margin in Ohio, making a Brown win most unlikely.

Incumbent governments everywhere struggle during high inflation. The fact that this is close at all is due to Trump's craziness. If the Republicans has elected a typical GOP candidate they would have romped it home.

I'm wondering how much of the $1billion spent on the campaign was used to educate the public about the causes of inflation.

This isn't about misogyny. It was about the economy. Dems got whacked. The governing party would in these conditions.

It is always the economy, stupids.

In a decade we will look back fondly at how quaint it was that there were independent countries in Eastern Europe during our lifetimes.

[quote]Harris/Walz ticket??? You can’t be serious. Wait you were.

Democrats are always like, "As long as we Democrats are happy with the choices, that's all that matters. Fuck the rest of the country!!"

Jeff Zeleny (CNN):

[quote] For Wisconsin, all eyes are on Dane and Milwaukee, the two most populous counties. A top Democrat there tells me that some of the biggest polling places in both areas aren't in yet. They are banking on 80K more from Milwaukee. We shall see.

So much for joy and a brat summer.

R156 which, you’re wrong. You are using other countries as an example. We aren’t Mexico.

He will now not be held responsible for ANY crime.... Nothing. I cannot believe that I am crying like a pussy, but I am...

I think you CAN shut out the outside world for a time, and I am going to do that until spring I think.

Try to enjoy the holidays, clean up my own interior world, and just carry on..

I feel so horribly for 1/2 of our country.

I noticed the trans women in sports and prisons ads ramped up in the last few weeks of the campaign.

R167 of course not. Mexico is far less progressive.

It is also very troubling to see Trump making so many inroads, gains vs 2020, in metro areas and Dem-friendly areas coast to coast. This means he has a real chance to win the popular vote for the first time. We would no longer be able to say “well, the majority of us never chose him, the Electoral College system made it happen”.

Damn, Americans are fucking dumb. So fucking dumb.

The biggest thing I want to point out - and I don't think you can argue around this

The immense damage that Joe Biden did.

There's still a lot of vote to come in from blue areas of PA, MI, and WI. The trends aren't looking great, but it's far from over yet. It was always going to be close.

What the actual fuck is wrong with Texas

This really may come down to PA.

Some of you think too narrowly. A Jewish person can win the presidency. A woman can win the presidency. A Latino can win etc. The bar is higher, yes, but not impossible.

Michelle Obama would have won against Trump for example.

R172, once they put the toothpaste under lock and key at CVS, I knew a Republican could do well in NYC. And other metro areas.

[quoe]The immense damage that Joe Biden did.

Biden shouldn't have been the nominee in 2020. This is the result of a fucked-up primary system that allowed South Carolina (a ruby red state) to choose who the Democratic nominee would be.

[quote]The immense damage that Joe Biden did.

I admire a lot of things about Joe, but yeah, I think by staying so long and waiting until his numbers were so low before bowing out, he left Kamala in a tough position. She entered the race late and didn't have as much time as a usual nominee to campaign and make up the ground.

Joe didn't do any damage. He doesn't even know who the fuck he is and hasn't for a while. It was whoever was pulling the strings that did the damage. Instead of getting him out before the primaries they intentionally let him kill his chances in the debate so they could replace him with the empty vessel Harris. But you called us all Boris.

Kevin Liptak:

[quote] The Harris campaign chair Jen O'Malley Dillon just told campaign staff in an email they "feel good" about the Blue Wall, pointing to outstanding vote counts in the main metro areas. "What we do know is this race is not going to come into focus until the early morning hours," she wrote.

Dana Bash:

[quote] Just to reiterate - the Blue Wall was always Harris' best bet. That appears even more so now. They are all still incredibly close.

I never really thought I’d be living in a full-on oligarchy. I’m glad I don’t have kids to inherit this dumpster fire. I’m old, and I’m unashamed enough to say that if things go proper pear-shaped I’ve got a drawer full of old Rx that will do the trick without making a mess for my cleaning girl. Although she’ll probably have been deported by then, so that’s all irrelevant.

[quote]This really may come down to PA.

I'm shocked! Shocked!

R173 clearly. We have someone basing American social politics on Mexico.

R170 I’m sorry but there’s no way she wins Nevada after what we’ve just seen unfold. Blue Wall 3 for 3 will be the miracle but that’s a 273 Harris, 265 Trump outcome.

And if it’s that tight with Trump barely losing, then all bets are off with (a) MAGA violence and (b) Supreme Court Trump-friendly majority getting involved somehow.

I just noticed how Lawrence O'Donnell will not look at Nicole Wallace when she speaks.

She just spoke for about a minute or more, and Lawrence didn't look at her even once.

Do they hate each other?

Imagine blaming Joe for Kamala being the wrong choice. How about looking in the mirror and saying “I am the issue”.

Because we should have spoken out for a VOTE and not been ok with her being SELECTED.

[quote]The biggest thing I want to point out - and I don't think you can argue around this The immense damage that Joe Biden did.

Is it maybe the damage incumbency does? The lack of term limits? The olds, kicking around DC for fifty years, when politics becomes a career your thinking gets distorted. It's all games. It's all ego.

Oh fuck. I truly don’t have the strength to do another four years of Trump, more diseased than ever before. And I don’t even live in USA. I just can’t take it.

Who fellates Ari Melber?

It's over. Trump has won. 53% of first time voters voted Trump.

Let's be brave and calm.

179 Kamala

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214 Trump

[quote]Is it bigotry and misogyny? Inflation and prices of basic goods? Immigration?

Somewhere you have to throw the media into this. Morning Joe spent months criticizing Biden. Then another few months criticizing his age. Finally, the last 3 weeks talking about how nuts Trump is.

Okay r190, who is the Democrat who should have won that nasty internal Democratic Party battle and how exactly would they have convinced pro-treason, pro-crime, pro-bullshit voters to vote for them instead?

I want to stick it out but my cold is making me groggy. I wish I could sneeze in Trump's face right now.

The Kingslayer, Nancy Pelosi, says she's still optimistic.

This is a tough time for incumbent governments around the World -- Justin Trudeau in Canada is way down and likely to lose next year, the UK kicked out the incumbent Conservatives earlier this year, Pedro Sanchez in Spain has had a rough time lately, and Emmanuel Macron in France, too.

Look, things are shitty the world over right now, and incumbent governments are paying the price, even if certain things are out of their control. If Trump wins, it's not Kamala's fault, she's a good candidate and she ran a good campaign, it's just that things are shitty and people are making stupid choices.

Trump is a 21st century politician. Harris ran a last century campaign. Trump was all over Tik Tok, all over the trending podcasts. He is a meme.

If he wins, can Joe Biden do anything to help protect us before Trump takes office? Put some safeguards in place because of the Supreme Courts ruling that basically the president can do whatever he wants?

How are so many people voting for cheeto - FFS.

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are.

[quote] ’m sorry but there’s no way she wins Nevada after what we’ve just seen unfold. Blue Wall 3 for 3 will be the miracle but that’s a 273 Harris, 265 Trump outcome.

Torta, with Nebraska-2, it would end up 270-268, with Harris winning.

[quote]Michelle Obama would have won against Trump for example.

Which proves exactly what's wrong here.

DL is particularly good at it... choosing your leaders as if you're casting a fucking movie. The government of the country should not be turned into America's Got Presidents. But, hey, let's pick the hottest one.

There is a plague in western democracies of far right and incel propaganda that has absolutely destroyed the brains of much of the working class and young men under 30.

Even Walz with his empathy, smarts and humour can’t connect with these red and black pilled crazies. We are in for some truly awful times.

Even Obama couldn’t win this election. He seems like a folksy relic.

R202 I disagree with that. Harris was all over Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter.

Well at least I don't think I will get a fundraising email from Nancy Pelosi tomorrow for the first time in ages. Or will I?

[quote] Detroit is on pace to reach 51 percent voter turnout with all ballots to be counted by around midnight,

- Detroit Free Press, 11/05/2024 on their website now

[quote]It was whoever was pulling the strings that did the damage

Dr. Jill

I think Trump is a figure like Chucky the killing doll. Not real, but people want to believe in him. He's incredibly dangerous and his voters rationalize all that crazy behavior away. Once he's in office though, it will be a disaster and not one of them will admit that they voted for him. And yes, the country is looking like it will never elect a woman as President. Sad.

R194-- What do we do now.. Are there civic organizations--

I will miss all of these democratic leaders that I got to know this past year..

I feel the only way is to be a better human in the small world I occupy. I am done with politics- No more Youtube Channels- I just cancelled 90 subscriptions- I am done. I don't have to face Trump or these scumrags ever again. I will have to face the ramifications in a year or two when it hits me financially-

I feel horrible for our country-- Its like a real death-

Harris was a great candidate. She slaughtered Trump in the debate and the MSM did nothing but criticize.

Fucking gut wrenching

[Quote]Even Obama couldn’t win this election. He seems like a folksy relic.

He is a relic from a past era. And Harris rallies were like some 90s nostalgia trip. Dems have got to wake up. They must ditch the entertainment stars and reconnect to low income people.

Project 2025 here we come. GOP will control all branches of government.

I've got to go to work tomorrow, so need to try to get some sleep. Good Night everybody. Hope I can turn the mind off enough to fall asleep.

OMG! Sherrod Brown lost!

[quote]Oh fuck. I truly don’t have the strength to do another four years of Trump

R191, maybe Trump won't last another 4 years, not that Vance would be much better.

Adam Schiff won.

Crap—now the Senate will likely be GOP. If Trump becomes Prez, SCOTUS is lost for a generation at least

The New Mexico senator is smoking hot! What do we know girls?

I guess women didn’t turn out to protect their rights.

R223- Thank you for trying... Its appreciated-

[quote] Imagine blaming Joe for Kamala being the wrong choice. How about looking in the mirror and saying “I am the issue”. Because we should have spoken out for a VOTE and not been ok with her being SELECTED.

Well, if Biden had not stayed in the race until mid-summer, that might have been possible. Maybe people are blaming Biden because he was being a jackass.

If he wins, the normal countries on the planet have to align and figure something the fuck out since the US could very well become a rouge state. It's not just the threat that Trump is, but all the lickspittles he has surrounding him (Musk, Vance, Jr, Thiel etc...).

Rogers has now taken the lead over Slotkin in Michigan. If he wins, he'd flipped a Democratic seat.

How did Sherrod Brown lose?? I'm a democrat but voted for Moreno in the primary because I was sure he would be beatable.

Harris campaign still trying to be optimistic about where the outstanding votes are coming from:

She can't win now. There are not enough electoral votes in play to get her to 270. We are fucked

[quote]How did Sherrod Brown lose??

Hundreds of millions of dollars of dark money poured into Ohio to beat him. It's a shame. He was one of our best.

Brown lost because he couldn't overcome the bigger than expected Trump win.

Fuck u North Carolina

Gen Z is voting. Just Gen Z males are voting for Trump more than Harris.

I still believe Gavin Newsom would make an amazing candidate.

There’s no reason to put up an ex-military guy. Americans constantly reject candidates with military backgrounds for president.

If any kind souls here are feeling generous with hopium right now, PLEASE feel free to share with the class.

I'm rocking back and forth and trembling on the kitchen floor with a melted bucket of ice cream in my lap and I can no longer feel my right arm.

I’m upset at Sherrod losing, too.

Fucking Mire o is a liar and a thief. He stole from his employees, FFS!

I just looked at the election map and there are way too many states in red. Shame on them. When their cost of living skyrockets, they'll be sorry.

Dems would need to run a straight, white, Christian, alpha male, probably from the south, with military experience.

There's a steady drumbeat of "Democrats bad - never vote for a Dem" on Fox and Newsmax, and they are the default station in so many public places. It's all they hear, it's part of the news. Dems won't be able to convert people who have been indoctrinated with "never vote for a Dem" so thoroughly and for so long.

There are more Dems out there than Republicans, but they can't get their people in lockstep the way Republicans can, and do.

[quote]How did Sherrod Brown lose?? I'm a democrat but voted for Moreno in the primary because I was sure he would be beatable.

R231, it's largely because we now live in an era in which almost every Senate race votes the same way the state votes for President. Brown is a very strong Senator (as is Jon Tester in Montana) but the problem is that this was a Presidential year with Trump on the ballot. If this was a Midterm year like 2018, Brown & Tester would have had a much better chance at winning, as they did in 2018.

[quote]I’ve got a drawer full of old Rx that will do the trick without making a mess for my cleaning girl.

And your stuff, is free to have, no?

I don’t know what to do with myself.

[quote] She can't win now. There are not enough electoral votes in play to get her to 270. We are fucked

Not true. The Blue Wall states are still outstanding. Enough to get her to 270 if she sweeps them all.

Simone Sanders: Dems believe they have 10s of thousands of votes from Philly County coming in the next update and remain optimistic about Pennsylvania. “But it will be close.”

R238, I don’t think any candidate from California can win.

There are a lot of people who don't even bother to vote.

[quote] Fucking Mire o is a liar and a thief. He stole from his employees, FFS!

Sadly, that is a plus these days. In fact, it seems that being a liar and a cheat are pretty much a prerequisite for winning high office in these glorious United States. Fuckers love it.

R236 did I miss something, isn’t NC still being tallied? Not yet called?

And they’ll continue to vote repubs, R241

Simone Sanders is a Bernie or Bust hack.

Kiss 60% of your retirement savings goodbye. He’s going to absolutely gut the economy to the benefit of our billionaire overlords.

[quote] I just looked at the election map and there are way too many states in red.

But that's usually the case. Lots of small states.

I feel sick. This feels even worse even than Hillary’s loss because Trump is so much worse now. How are we going to live this?

North Carolina was called minutes ago. Trump won.

Kamala won Connecticut

R251, NC was just called for Trump

But, but, but, ...Taylor Swift...Beyonce!

It's suspicious that Florida counts their votes so fast. Calling Hercule Poirot!

" When their cost of living skyrockets"

IT ALREADY DID. THAT'S THE BIGGEST REASON SHE LOST.

[quote]Gen Z is voting. Just Gen Z males are voting for Trump more than Harris.

Then I hope Gen Z females refuse to have sex with those males for the next 4 years.

NYT calling it too. John King and Tapper too busy yapping.

[Quote] I don’t know what to do with myself.

Do what you did the last time he slithered into office. Resist, inspire other people, keep hope alive.

If you give up, they win.

Harry Enten:

[quote] Look in Pennsylvania now, there are 23 counties where 95%+ of the vote is in. Trump needs to do 1.2 points better than last time around to win statewide. In the counties where 95% of the vote is in, he's doing 2.5 points better than his 2020 total.

NYT "Needle" has Trump winning at 89%.

[quote]Simone Sanders is a Bernie or Bust hack.

She was Kamala's "spokesperson" for a while.

Biden’s refusal to drop out create an immense amount of distrust in the Party. People began to consider Trump even if they disliked him. Biden’s subsequent actions in July post-debate were unconscionable from a Democrat. The amount of corruption within the Biden administration was despicable. He proved himself to be just as senile as Trump. Who was running the country?

Biden created the border crisis, Biden’s stimulus helped create inflation. He did not have justice go after Trump because he wanted him as an opponent. Biden created the stage for a Trump revival.

Even when he stepped down, I was of the opinion that nothing could be done to win the election because Biden had caused so much damage to faith in the Party. I said that we would certainly lose and that the best we could hope for was to keep the downballot races from going off a cliff.

That Harris turned out to be a very good candidate was a SURPRISE. I was the poster who said, Is anyone else surprised by how good she is on the stump and had a poll, and the majority of respondents indicated they were surprised. But that means her brand was not strong to begin with.

If she wins tonight, it will be because of the immense organizing strength in the party, not because of her. I like her, but it is an immense risk to try to market someone like her to the rest of the country. She is a Democrat from San Francisco. She has little achievement in Congress or the Vice Presidency. Most people did not know too much about her after three years.

I think it was a warning sign how well Nikki Haley was doing in hypotheticals against Biden - she was fourteen points ahead in Wisconsin. That points to a change election. Trump’s myriad problems are the reason he was even with Harris, but people were already saying they were not happy with the state of the country and his administration. And Harris comes from his administration.

Harry Enten:

[quote] In Michigan, there are 7 counties with 95%+ in. Trump lost the state by less than 3 points in 2020, and in the counties with 95%+ in Trump is tracking about 4 points better than he did four years ago. In other words, he's doing what he needs to do so far in the counties that are in, but we'll see.

Some people just want to burn it all down. Miserable fuckers.

What about the states that joined the National Interstate Popular Vote Compact(I think I got it right)? Will Trump be getting their electoral votes?

[quote]NYT calling it too. John King and Tapper too busy yapping.

R262, I've noticed over the years that CNN tends to often call states later than the other networks.

Tbh the idea of a MAGAt heir going up against some centre right “alpha white male” in 2028 is depressing.

How are people still able to post on the prior thread? That's always been a mystery to me when a thread is closed. What are the means of doing that?

I really don't think this is Biden's fault. If anything, the timing (Kamala coming into the race) was very good.

IMO, a lot of racist people showing up at the polls.

Next, the republicans will allow husbands to “discipline “ their wives. I’m good with that, Republican women deserve everything that is coming to them.

And the best part of Trump winning is his cognitive decline will only accelerate when he's president. It won't be long before we're welcoming in President Couchfucker. Won't that be fun?

[quote]If you give up, they win.

Mary, they already won.

Was he this far ahead at 11:30 last time?

Anyone know?

What is it with you people blaming Biden? AMERICA WAS NEVER VOTING FOR HER

Dems may take the house. One NY Repub seat just went blue. This is the only hope as Dems have lost the Senate.

R274, I always think there's some kind of a queue and if your post is in it at 600, you still get posted. Totally guessing, though.

Because it looked like he was going to win for a period of time.

But there is still hope

But he and cronies will gut everything. FDA, research, Medicare, insurance, environmental safeguards and the National Parks…so many will become homeless.

I probably won’t be able to afford my meds.

[quote]Dems may take the house. One NY Repub seat just went blue. This is the only hope as Dems have lost the Senate.

This was expected that Dems would likely lose the Senate and take the House.

[quote] Some people just want to burn it all down. Miserable fuckers.

Hate to admit it, even to myself, but I'm starting to understand the impulse. I wonder if we have landed right back in the late 1960s and there is simply no reason to trust any institution in any way in this clearly, deeply fucked up country.

[quote] How are people still able to post on the prior thread? That's always been a mystery to me when a thread is closed. What are the means of doing that?

If you have the thread open with the comment box showing you are able to post in a closed thread. I also believe if you immediately open the comment box after posting you can post yet again.

[quote] I always think there's some kind of a queue and if your post is in it at 600, you still get posted.

I've posted in the prior thread, but it's closed to me. No way for me to post. What's the secret to get in a new post?

This is going to come down to a few thousand votes in PA, MI, and WI. It's possible she'll come out slightly ahead in all three and then she wins.

Yes, R286, I remember hearing that on election night 2022 and I always assumed that would be the case.

[quote]But there is still hope

Not really.

They are going to deport all the hot Latino pinga.

[quote]He will now not be held responsible for ANY crime.... Nothing. I cannot believe that I am crying like a pussy, but I am...

[quote]I think you CAN shut out the outside world for a time, and I am going to do that until spring I think.

[quote] Try to enjoy the holidays, clean up my own interior world, and just carry on..

[quote]I feel so horribly for 1/2 of our country.

I's ok to cry and you're not a pussy. What is happening is a tragedy because people ignored J6, the 2020 election crap, and the other many shitty things Trump has done and still voted for this mother fucker. I will probably have a good cry at some point tonight or tomorrow.

I work remotely for a non-profit that deals with gun violence, so I don't have to deal with Trumpster colleagues. I no longer talk to Trumpster relatives or Trumpsters I knew from a past job, high school, college etc, As long as I have close friends and relatives who voted for Harris I'll be ok because I know we all did what we could to defeat the fucker. Back in 2016, I had lost a job prior to the election and dealt with other bad shit in my life. I was devastated on election night. . A few days after the election, a friend called and asked if I could house and pet sit for her parents until the New Year. Her parents went to another state to take care of her grandmother who was dying of cancer. I was spending some nights at their house and then some nights at my house while going on job interviews and applying to jobs online or dropping off and sending applications. The only times I got together with people were for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Luckily, in early December I got a job offer for a remote job which stared in January. Looking back I was sort of glad that back then I was able to be in a situation in which I wasn't around too many people gloating over Trump's win.

She’s losing Michigan, for sure

[quote] They are going to deport all the hot Latino pinga.

Crazy as it sounds, the Latinos for Trump voting bloc has increased.

Assholes that hate gays, are super religious, and think he's the best thing ever. Not the brightest bunch.

Because of the war in Gaza?

They’re going to fully control all three branches of government with no adults in the room. Fasten your seatbelts.

192-230

Jesse Wegman (NYT)

[quote] I would like to point out something that Donald Trump and his supporters are not saying right now: "The vote is rigged." That’s because they are the only people who say that, and now they are winning. In their world only their victories are legitimate. In the real world, American elections aren’t rigged, even when the result is devastating to a plurality — and possibly even a majority — of people. There’s no rule that democracies are supposed to self-perpetuate, however.

[quote]She’s losing Michigan, for sure

Not at all for sure.

Is she losing Wisconsin now?

I blame the Senators that refused to impeach & convict him after J6. They could have and should have banned him from running for office again.

CNN's board has Trump leading in WI, MI, PA.

It's almost 2016 again.

R296 so the equivalent of Islamic loving women and gays?

Joe has to save us somehow with an executive order or something

An executive order doing what? Get real.

[quote] Crazy as it sounds, the Latinos for Trump voting bloc has increased.

It won't be too many generations until they - like Italians & other immigrants from a century ago - will just be regarded as white.

Trans issues were substantially responsible for Sherrod Brown's defeat.

This. His Latino vote skyrocketed this time

Is McDonald's hiring?

Well Mighty Joe can still have Trump executed along with Vance and that will make Hakeem Jefferies President if the Democrats take the house as long as it is an "official act" per the Supreme Court.

So if Trump wins, how long till he starts deporting the Dem hating crowds from Michigan (the ones who aren't American, that is)?

Democracy is dead, folks.

ACA is dead. Social Security is dead, Medicare dead. Gay marriage dead.

SCOTUS will remain lopsided.

Move elsewhere if you can.

R237 Young male vote has been making the difference in several countries elections. Too bad dems have alienated them, and republicans taken advantage of it.

They’ll deserve it, r315.

I'm concerned about that fat lady over there by the music stand warming up her vocal cords.

Oh thank god she won VA!

Can I just remind everyone that at this time on Nov 5th, 2020, Wisconsin had the same number reporting and Trump had a bigger lead than he even has right now. Biden still won.

Latinos care more about the economy than being offended. They cant afford to be offended.

Is Whoopsie packing yet?

AP calls Virginia for Harris.

*can afford

Joy Reid blames white women for NC defeat, but praises black women.

And in 2020, when Michigan had 60% reporting, Trump was leading Biden 53 to 45. Biden still won.

The second Trump gets elected, he will start saying the economy is great—just like he did after Obama.

If he wins, there will be a lot of leopards eating faces of many people. While billionaires will fiddle.

Well I’m glad my vote counted in VA at least.

[quote]Is McDonald's hiring?

Nope

What's up with Nevada?

Meh.

The "I want to see it all burn crowd will get their wish."

Funny thing is...they're no more flameproof than anything else.

Latino men are steeped in their machismo bullshit. Of course they voted for Trump.

In 2020, when Wisconsin had 75% of the vote in, Trump was leading Biden 51 to 47. Biden still won.

[quote] The second Trump gets elected, he will start saying the economy is great—just like he did after Obama.

As will everyone who has been shrieking about this terrible economy, and pretty soon the media will join in, just to be "fair."

I mean, I guess if he takes even one of WI, PA or MI, he'll declare victory soon. And I'd guess if she loses a wall state, the networks will too.

Latinos are never going to support a woman candidate.

R335 "MEN SUCK" is why your sweating bullets rn

Martin Heinrich can get it.

In 2020, when Georgia had 87% of the vote in, Trump was leading Biden 52 to 46.7. Biden still won Georgia.

[quote]Joy Reid blames white women for NC defeat, but praises black women.

She might be right here. But yes, that is her typical response to everything.

[quote] Latinos are never going to support a woman candidate.

except in plenty of Latino countries, but do go on, asshole.

R339 neither are most white men. Or black men. Wake up.

I fear that there will be no Left remaining and the country will get much crueler. Dems will now say fuck Muslims and fuck Latinos. Dems will be okay with deportations, reducing all forms of immigration, Muslim bans etc White liberals in urban areas will be fine so it will be easy for them to wash their hands. We can also kiss goodbye to Pete’s career and Gretchen and Josh. We’ll run right leaning straight white men.

It’s heart breaking because we’ll lose so much.

The economy will improve. Global trends will see to that.

Trump will claim credit of course.

Is Nicole Wallace on something right now?

She's speaking slowly and seems a bit loopy.

This Trump victory is going to be really awkward. MAGA will be celebrating even though half the country hates them. It feels like a Nazi takeover.

We've got to win the House now. That's our only hope for the next 4 years. I also think Dems will do well in the 2026 midterms.

Trump’s victories are because capitalism just isn’t working, especially for working class people.

They’re stupid and believe the GOP when it blames immigrants, trans, etc. In reality crony capitalism has given the rich huge tax breaks.

Did the two major parties in Mexico have women as candidates

[quote]We will need to understand so many things - like why so many very young men of all races leapt to Trump/Vance.

It isn’t mysterious.

Loser men from all cultures try to grind “uppity” women under their heel.

It’s the only “power” they have. They have no education, no money, no assets, no careers. They often sponge off the very women they oppress.

It’s loser culture.

R308. He wants Harris to lose, man, Jill is wearing RED.

R334, Decision Desk HQ is usually a reliable forecaster, so their prediction for Dems to take back the House is good news. And they usually make their predictions before the regular news networks.

white women just won’t vote for a Dem, particularly if it’s a woman.

[Quote] "MEN SUCK" is why your sweating bullets

Oh DEAR

If, God forbid, Trump ends up winning (I still think this is not over yet), read up on what happened in Poland over the past decade and let it give you some hope.

The economy cannot improve much more. The the best in the world!! If Americans want to make 100K working blue collar jobs, then prices have to rise and house prices must increase etc You cannot earn 3x what a person in the UK and German would earn and expect lower prices, low taxes, cheap college

I seem to recall that the VP can refuse to honor an election. So, theres always that. . .

If the Democrats don't run a straight white man in 2028 I'm not giving them a fucking cent.

Baldwin losing WI, Casey losing PA. Good night.

FWIW

These muther fuckers cheated again.

[Quote] The economy will improve. Global trends will see to that.

Yes, whomever is president next will see a strong economy. The GOP will of course screw it up by passing massive tax cuts for the rich

Jeff Zeleny:

[quote] Scores of people are silently leaving the Yard at Howard University. No one has addressed the crowd. The Harris campaign has been radio silent to this crowd of supporters who arrived with a spirit of jubilation and are leaving with a sense of disbelief and dejection.

[quote] To be sure, votes are still being counted and CNN has only called one battleground state -- North Carolina for Trump -- but this is what we are seeing here

And don't forget those tarrifs. That'll work well.

I'd like to just remind everyone one last time, at this time in 2020, Biden was doing worse in PA, GA, MI, WI than Harris is. Much worse. And he still won those states.

WE HAVE NOT LOST YET.

Just you watch… the reason the win the statewide races is because they are cheating on a large scale.

They can’t do it in house races because they are not state wide. That’s why the house is doing well. I know it sounds crazy but it’s not.

I guess all the celebrities coming forward for Harris, didn’t help.

Are they going to finally let Jimmy Carter die now?

Wow. All the Republican challengers in the Blue Wall states are in the lead.

[quote] Are they going to finally let Jimmy Carter die now?

Lucky Jimmy.

I truly cannot endure another Trump presidency.

That's not a world I want to live in.

Katie Couric looks like shit.

R366 that’s a mistake Hillary made. She never came out.

I’m with you r368. If that is in fact true then that is a small relief.

But I can’t dismiss the NYTimes needle. That is profoundly convincing to me.

But I still would eat my hat if there was not some hanky-panky going on with these large amounts of rural absentee votes.

Where are all these rural people going that they need absentee votes? They don’t travel a lot. They sit on the rocking chair and oversee the Latino workers. They don’t go anywhere.

So do I right now, R374 and feel like it too. What’s your point?

[quote] Lucky Jimmy.

Fortunately, he likely has no idea what seems to be going down tonight.

ABC News just announced that the Democratic Party ended and they all left.

I sure hope the Liberals in Canada are taking fucking notes. Stop with the pandering to every special interest group or you will be voted into oblivion. Take the party back to the slightly left of centre, stop calling everything racist, Islamophobic, and transphobic.

Do something about the brewing sectarian violence between Hindus and Sikhs, and do it NOW. They are brawling in the streets of Canadian cities over religious wars rooted in fucking INDIA and they need to be condemned - loudly. Trudeau needs to tell them to leave their fucking religious wars at home, and if they can't do that, then they need to fuck off back to India.

Do something about the increasing antisemitism, instead of calling criticism of nutcase imams and out of control protests Islamophobic. Here's a clue - the extremist Muslims HATE you just as much as fundie Christians do because you support gay rights. Stop pandering to them, for the love of God, stop pandering to them.

Focus on the economy and the cost of living. Get your fucking asses together already or else we could be facing a possible Trump presidency WITH a Conservative government of our own. That would be a fucking disaster for us.

Get back to the fucking centre before it's too late. You can be a centrist party and still hold some progressive values, it's not impossible. Either way, now's the fucking time to act.

Well, being hopeful for a couple of months felt nice, I don't regret that one bit. But if, despite all that fundraising and that huge canvassing effort, the majority still wants the country to go through a fascist phase, then there's just not much to say about that other than hope the country is still recognisable four years from now.

But yeah, I can't believe this motherfucker will open the Olympic Games.

[quote]Crazy as it sounds, the Latinos for Trump voting bloc has increased.

[quote] Assholes that hate gays, are super religious, and think he's the best thing ever. Not the brightest bunch.

I grew up in a Latino community in New Mexico and when I realized I was a lesbian as a teenager, one of the hardest things I had to deal with was the homophobia. I was raised Catholic, but my parents weren't homophobic and were pro-choice. When I came out it was not an issue. But, I have known gay and lesbian Latinos who had a hard time because they either had very conservative Catholic parents or very conservative Evangelical Protestant parents and some ended up estranged from their parents.

[Quote] IMO, a lot of racist people showing up at the polls.

No, most Americans aren’t the racists you’re accusing them of being.

The Republicans figured out decades ago how to get poor whites and middle class flyover whites to vote for them. Set up a “news” network that’s really a propaganda outlet. It would create a spectrum of “culture wars” issues to get middle Americans to the polls, not necessarily to vote for republicans, but to vote against the vilified liberals who are out to destroy America.

It worked. As long as we don’t have an answer to it, we will keep losing over and over again.

Gaza protest voters must be happy as pigs in shit. We’re guaranteed a free Palestinian state now!

“Biden was doing worse in PA, GA, MI, WI than Harris is. Much worse. “

Is this true? Well?

R368 That's because Biden had a huge amount of mail-in ballots to be counted. Harris won't get that.

Someone was mentioning earlier about PA, MI, and WI having a lead change after election night in 2020, but wasn't that with Democrats having so many absentee/mail-in votes? Aren't Republicans going to have a lot of those additional votes this year since they learned their lesson?

What the hell? MAGA is going to be 💯 emboldened to be even more dangerous. I can’t think of one good thing they will do:

[quote] Stop with the pandering to every special interest group or you will be voted into oblivion. Take the party back to the slightly left of centre, stop calling everything racist, Islamophobic, and transphobic.

Stop pretending any of that horseshit makes the slightest bit of difference. Full on fucked up fascism is the only thing that appeals to the douchebro voter. The rest of that shit is just irrelevant to them. Be a complete cunt like Trump or get out of the way is the only thing they want to hear. Stop pretending you have some magical formula that "slightly left of center" people can use to appeal to the typical Trump voter. They don't give a shit about any or your nonsense.

What’s the point of having a left at all if it can only run a white, straight male to appease the racist, homophobic misogynists?

[Quote] Gaza protest voters must be happy as pigs in shit.

Yes damn those genocide opposers! They did this!

R385 YES, it's true. I'm watching Voting Trend on YT and he actually pulled up Steve Kornaki's videos from 2020 election night to show us the exact numbers. It bathed me in relief.

I’m exhausted. I don’t know how I can keep fighting especially when the future looks like a bland straight white guy who has to track Right. Sigh. I can’t get behind that, though I’d have no choice but to vote for that over Don Jr. I also hate myself for feeling numb. I thought this would break me and I’d cry but I’m just numb and feel a little dead inside. Isreal is going to bomb more children to death but Arabs voted for Trump and Stein so,….Ukraine will fall but just about everyone with Eastern European roots in the rust belt was contacted by the Harris team and……..

R383 because they’re racist, you fucking moron

I want to point out the flaws in the magical thinking a lot of you have

A lot of people are voting for Trump because they have contempt for America because they believe it is failing. And it is.

Part of the reason it is failing is because Democrats naively try to insist that if you elect them, they will get things done. It never happens because the REPUBLIC is a failed experiment. It does not work. Other countries realized this and created parliaments. By holding up our august experiment as worthy of the deepest respect, Democrats turn a blind eye to the anger and cynicism many have for it. People do not like being told to disbelieve their own eyes. When Democrats whip that Orwell phrase out, it is to mock Republicans. But we are guilty of it. Biden showed everyone the emperor had no clothes. He was just as corrupt as Bush in my opinion. And Biden’s weakness is the fact that he did not and will not use his new executive power to stop Trump’s return to office if elected. If we are being told that this man is the antichrist but we are still going to let him assume the presidency, then we are just as guilty of being the sheep we accuse the Republicans of being.

[quote] As long as we don’t have an answer to it, we will keep losing over and over again.

We wouldn't be losing to DeSantis or just about any other post-Trump republican who could get the nomination. Trump has a unique, mysterious, hold on millions of voters.

The Democratic party never took a look in the mirror after Hillary lost and this is the result. You see it happening still in this thread unfortunately.

[quote]What’s the point of having a left at all if it can only run a white, straight male to appease the racist, homophobic misogynists?

Both parties have the same need: a Margaret Thatcher type woman who will be tough and harsh when necessary. "Yes, the medicine is harsh..."

[quote]Yes damn those genocide opposers!

Calling it a genocide is now a self-fulfilling prophecy, especially since Bibi fired Gallant today. Now you'll actually get one.

Audie Cornish (CNN):

[quote] Many people thought that perhaps this would be an election that, in tenor and tone, would be closer to the midterms: A big conversation about abortion. That is not where it's going. At this point, it seems you're seeing that male turnout is starting to produce what the Trump campaign wanted.

Wonder when they will call Georgia.

American does not want a female president. It’s not going to happen yet. Sad but true.

[quote]Yes damn those genocide opposers! They did this!

Grow up. What do you think you gain by voting against the democrat? Bibi has absolute impunity now.

What’s the hold up in Georgia?

R4101 Georgia will be trickling in for hours. That's how it always goes at the end. Plus they had to keep polls open uber late because of the bomb scares.

Jesse Wegman:

[quote] It’s worth pointing out that whatever strategy the Democrats decide to pursue in the coming years, it will not include the rebuilding of a Blue Wall, because demographic patterns are quickly shifting too many people (thus census counts, thus representatives and thus electoral votes) out of those states and into the south. They will need a new approach all around.

R389, it does make a difference. No one wants to see warring religious groups carrying weapons and brawling in the street. The politician who says that they won't tolerate it will get more votes over the one who is being all wishy-washy. Sorry. I fucking hate Conservatives, but even I can see what's going on.

I also know that incumbents (like the Liberals in Canada) are struggling for reasons that are not their fault, but still, there are things that they could be doing that they're not.

r402 After the double punch of Hillary and Kamala, it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

[quote]The Democratic party never took a look in the mirror after Hillary lost and this is the result.

How did they win in 2020 and 2022?

R402 yes it will. Half of Latin America have voted women presidents. Its just been shitty ones that the US has had. I do think it is far more likely that the first woman president in the US will be republican though

I have complete faith in my spiritual guides. I am sure she will win.

As I said, I'm still not convinced this is over. But, the legacy media has been setting the stage for this since Biden took over.

R404, they want to prolong our suffering.

I'm trying to imagine Trump's victory speech (if it comes to that). In '16, he at least tried to strike a chord of unity. Don't see that happening this year.

Putting Trump back in is going to make the country even more violent. It’s sickening.

Moron virtue signalers thinking not voting for Harris sends a message.

Trump is leading in MI, GA, AZ, WI, PA, and NV - even if it's too close to call.

R412 This isn't even close to over. Everyone needs to take a GIANT fucking deep breath. We've got hours before we'll know what's what.

[quote] No, most Americans aren’t the racists you’re accusing them of being.

Then you don't know America.

All I’m seeing is fucking Red!!!!!

Ugliness won today, but that's more often than not just how life is. It's all about strength and power and not much else, sadly.

[quote]But, the legacy media has been setting the stage for this since Biden took over.

[bold]We Have No Idea What You're Talking About And Why This Is Bad For Harris[/bold]

NYTimes:

Chance of winning: Likely Trump

90% Chance of victory

This is so depressing.

It's already making me more violent r415, but honestly I know that is not the solution here. And I still have a little hope that I will wake up tomorrow to a squeaker victory by Kamala Harris. But assuming I don't, well, I know I'm in no mood for any fucking unity speeches or any bullshit about coming together now that we all faught the good fight.

I don't want to fight any good fight. I want fuckers to suffer for being the cunts they are.

Who is the idiot who keeps bringing up Latin America in regards to the USA? We aren’t the same. Never have been.

Basta! NOTHING WON YET. I swear to God, I'm ready to lock you doomers out on the balcony with a pee pad.

Seriously, have you just COMPLETELY forgotten 2020? This map looks EXACTLY like 2020. At exactly where we were at midnight in 2020.

Snap out of it, you buncha MARY's.

I’m not sure who David Shuster is, but I will hang my hopes on what he says.

Steve hasn’t said one positive thing all night lol Trump seems to be running 1-3 points better in every rural county while Harris matches Biden or does 1-2 points less which is making it hard for her to get ahead in the blue wall. Baldwin and Sotkin also in the same situation though both had a decent polling lead running ahead of Harris.

R370 Nobody gives a flying fuck about celebs or what they think. I knew Kamala was making Hillary’s mistake of trotting them out.

R424 then sign off the internet and go sign yourself into a psych ward if it’s causing all this.

Is it tool late for Sonia Sotomayor to be replaced?

i think KH should skip the Inauguration. George Bush can represent the ex-presidents and they can send Biden, he'll think he's on a ski lift somewhere.

If Trumps wins Georgia and Pennsylvania and Maine 2nd district, and loses the other battleground states, but also loses Nebraska 1st district, we could still have a 269-269 tie.

R426 2020 was 2020. It’s 2024. Just because it happened then doesn’t mean it will happen now. Welcome to TIME.

r426 There were mail-in ballots still to be counted back in 2020...

R427 can you maybe not post stuff from an hour ago? Are you a sadist or just stupid?

I wish I could believe there really is still a chance she could win but I’m not seeing much that looks encouraging. Think I’ll go to sleep now & hope to wake up to miracle news that Harris won.

Wayne County Arabs voting "Uncommited" in protest of White House "inaction" on Gaza are going to be having a really good time.

People in Ohio must really be dumb as boxes of shit.

To vote in Moreno, a total shitbag of a human being, over Sherrod Brown is just ludicrous.

Re: R427's link, let's try to imagine the reaction of Trump & his acolytes if Harris somehow pulls it out in the Blue Wall states. Magnanimous is not the word that comes to mind.

Somehow we elected a BLACK MAN with the name hussein

but we still can't elect a woman?

It seems the defect is in the woman part...not the arab or black part

[quote] If Trumps wins Georgia and Pennsylvania and Maine 2nd district, and loses the other battleground states, but also loses Nebraska 1st district, we could still have a 269-269 tie.

A tie throws the election into the House of Representatives where each state gets one vote for President, even if the Democrats retake the house more state delegation's are likely to have a majority of Republicans than Democrats since states like California and New York have so many Democrats and that would still be a Trump victory. Unfortunately.

Oh shut up, r436.

[quote] Putting Trump back in is going to make the country even more violent. It’s sickening.

It's going to give Putin direct access. The USA as a democracy is done.

I just want a sane, intelligent President who will do the job and who I can forget about.

4 more years of the kind of pure madness that we saw over the last few weeks with RFK running wild banning vaccines and spreading conspiracy and Musk destroying the economy for the working class. Damage will be done. A milky white Navy vet with a mousy wife may win in 2028. But too late and blah.

[quote]Who is the idiot who keeps bringing up Latin America in regards to the USA? We aren’t the same. Never have been.

It's exactly the same. A plutocracy who uses hatred of minorities (indios, afro-latinos) with evangelical christianity plus economic shock doctrine to widen the economic divide, keep the lower classes desperate and dependent, and stay in power uninterrupted, minus an occasional socialist populist interregnum that accomplishes nothing but gives the impression of political choice.

Coming soon? Economic collapses except for those insulated from them.

Again

If Trump is elected and Biden does not use his powers to put an end to it, then we deserve Trump as a leader.

[Quote] Somehow we elected a BLACK MAN with the name hussein

We were also in the middle of the worst recession in 100 years, two long wars, and Hussein was an extraordinary orator.

R441 women have always been treated as second class citizens. Welcome to America. Now go sign up for some history classes. Would do you good. Your posts are pretty embarrassing

We need to accept the fact that this is a conservative country and getting even more conservative, thanks to Latinos becoming an ever-larger share of the population. There are pockets of extreme liberalism in the cities and we tend to get trapped in those bubbles, looking down on the unwashed. But no, you'll have people like Bernie saying we're actually losing elections because the Dems aren't being progressive enough...

Shuster from a few minutes ago

See r427 this is how not to be a bitch

I am falling more in love with David Shuster each and every tweet.

Hey kids! It's me! The I TOLD YOU FUCKING SO!

OH NO! THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN WIN! STOP BEING A CONCERN TROLL! YOU ARE DREAMING!

WELL, WELCOME TO THE FUCKING NIGHTMARE! JUMP ON IN, THE WATER IS FINE!

The exception was 2020, because the incumbent had Covid on the ballot. Without Covid, Trump would have won easily in 2020, and we would be in a different timeline now - some even worse, some maybe less bad.

R389 nailed it. This is Joe Rogan’s America

Symone Sanders sounding more pessimistic than an hour ago.

Hah, you beat me by a second, R452

They're still talking about women's reproductive health - a loser to the economy.

The biggest mind fuck here is that the people who will be least impacted are the people who voted for Harris! They are educated, they are mid-high income earners, they live near services, they live near good schools, they live in secular areas.

The people who voted for him will suffer terribly if he can enact even 10% of his plan. With the Senate he can put loons in his Cabinet so he can likely enact 50% of his plan. Latino men with a trade certificate a couple of babies will be impacted way more than a Philly accountant. An Arab in Michigan who has parents who are not citizens and family in the Middle East is going to suffer immensely. How much resistance will come now? Will white women march for reproductive rights in red states now? I don’t think so.

Fucking Rashida Tlaib will probably to be blame for Michigan. I wonder how her relationship with AOC will be going forward. AOC was all over campagining for Harris. Tlaib refused to endorse her.

Tlaib's relationships with other high profile Dems in Michigan have probably soured. Back in June, I saw pictures on Facebook from an event a Michigan Democratic club event. Attendees were photographed with Tlaib and other Dem congresspeople Haley Stevens, Debbie Dingell, and Shri Thanedar. In the pictures it was painfully obvious that Stevens, Dingell, and Thanedar were trying to keep their distance from Tlaib.

Georgia has 100k votes outstanding, "marginally" in favor of Harris, but the gap between them is 118k.

If Trump gets in (God forbid), he's a bumbling idiot who, in all likelihood, wouldn't even serve his full term. But the country will be run by technofascists such as Thiel, Musk, JD Vance, etc, with some useful idiots (RFK Jr) who'll be abetting them. And these people are not statesmen or even politicians. They are adherents of bizzarre ideologies who live in far right online echo chambers. And things are moving in the direction of South/Latin American authoritarian places like Bolsonaro's Brazil, Argentina, or El Salvador. The real damage will be that they will do serious damage to the educational and judicial systems, as well as the mainstream media, by stacking them with loyalists. Watch crypto being pushed as a legitimate currency and all scams that result from it. There will be a big redistribution of wealth but not in the way Trump voters are imagining.

I’m 40. My parents are still living and they are unwavering Trumpers. I don’t know what they are hoping to accomplish through their slavish devotion or what legacy they hope their generation is passing down. I don’t know how they can look at their two gay children, their only children, and say “Yes, this is right. This is the future I want to happen when I’m dead”. I still have to go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas and pretend like everything is fine. I don’t know how to tell my elderly parents that I think they’ve been brainwashed by Fox and Facebook into becoming a pair of low class pieces of shit. I want them to feel as abandoned physically in their geriatric years as they’ve made me feel emotionally through their worship of their false orange idol. But I’m too simpering to ever cause a scene.

Those two years until the midterms are going to DRAG. Just think back to how slowly time passed between 2016 and 2018.

Nope, can't go through that "resistor" era again, sorry. I'll be checking out and focusing on other issues until 2028. History and art and such.

Well I'm going to bed expecting a Trump win.

At least we won't have to hear more about the Palestine shit since Trump will give Netanyahu the go ahead to bomb the shit out of Gaza.

[quote]Trump seems to be running 1-3 points better in every rural county while Harris matches Biden or does 1-2 points less which is making it hard for her to get ahead in the blue wall.

Exactly.

Harris was supposed to speak an hour ago. Obviously she did not which does not look good. I hate that she’ll have to concede to that cretin after wiping the floor with him in the debate.

I'm practicing my "blessed be the fruit"

He’s going to force us to buy his crappy $100,000 watches and Bible if he wins, isn’t he?

She should have addressed the Howard crowd briefly, a couple of hours ago. Looks feeble. You prepare for every contingency.

She should claim it was rigged. Well maybe not, and honestly still, she might pull it out. But either way, just treat him the way he treats everybody. Refuse to be gracious at all in any way at any time for any reason.

Where is the link to the story about the Democratic Party going home in 379? Or was that a joke?

Georgia gone.

R465 Yes I hope Democrats don't trot out some lame shit in the vein of "pussy hats" again. Please!

CNN just gave him Georgia

[quote] I still have to go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas and pretend like everything is fine.

I just don't know how I'm going to navigate being around what's left of my family, at least half of them Trump voters, knowing that they did this.

Georgia goes Trump, Wisconsin will go to Trump. He wins.

[quote]Refuse to be gracious at all in any way at any time for any reason.

And, this is the fundamental flaw with the Dems.

Rethugs and the magats cheer when cheeto pulls nasty crap like that while Dems censure and eat their own at any sign of not playing nice.

Is it the right time to revisit the Van Jones crying question?

There goes Gaza and the Ukraine.

Done.

R435 There ARE still mail in ballots to be counted.

Georgia flipped Red

Robby Mook is feeling a lot hotter again tonight.

I don't know r477, but I don't think you are obligated to be nice about any of this. Not sure you're obligated to go home either. Tell them you think he's an asshole and they are assholes for voting for him.

R472. If both sides are acting that way I won’t vote at all.

If she loses, and unfortunately she might, I know she will do it with grace. That’s something foreign to Trump and most of the country.

R483 them calling it is because the count is at a minimum

With the Senate and the SC, Trump will have unchecked power.

Newsflash. She should have never been the candidate

If you need an operation, you better do it now

r481Might means right, unfortunately. If you persist with cruelty long enough, you WILL get results. As in life, so in politics.

And two new Gilead justices (Aileen Cannon and Matthew Kacsmaryk) to replace Alito and Thomas.

The only hope is that he dies before the election is certified. It would not go to Vance.

Then you're a useless twat r487. Sorry to be blunt, but you are useless twat if you go into hysterics at rudeness in the face of fascism. Fuck off.

Mayor Pete should have ran

R494, why not?

I mean, he's hideous, but doesn't the VP "inherit" the vote?

R496 he’s an openly gay man. Again, you show how out of touch you are.

I also want to point out something

The outrage over getting offended when a member of the coalition is targeted

We are learning what our allies really are. Latinos, black men. They do not identify with a party that has come to symbolize educated and relatively affluent people. We tell everyone how awful it is when Trump insults and mocks them. They don’t care about that stuff. We treat them with kid gloves out of liberal guilt, but the truth is that we have not provided the kind of response they want to see to the problems they have. Black Lives Matter increased brazen theft which caused even more difficulty for black neighborhoods. The border crisis - which was created because we had to be “humane” - increased distress in Hispanic communities. The things we are doing for our “allies” are making things worse.

Most of these people are fundamentally decent people who want to live in safe communities and don’t need to feel “seen” and validated at all times. The obsession with outrage over Trump’s racism has made no headway with them because they at some level do not fundamentally respect what is being done. They don’t like that we get outraged. They don’t like us. They don’t like the bourgeoisie.

If you want then to respect you, you need to turn iff the loud voices in the Democratic Party who have elevated themselves within the party by using racial grievances.

ABC just nailed it on the head HARDCORE. They said Democrats are gonna have excuse after excuse when in reality this is the people taking back the country and wanted to reset things because these last four years have been terrible for many.

This shows the majority don’t want an open border, the majority feel the economy is bad, the majority are struggling, the majority don’t agree with gender politics etc. People are just tired of the BS.

ABC announced Kamala is refusing to speak tonight. 🤣

Musk posted an image of him carrying his sink into the Oval Office.

R495. I understand why you’re so upset. I was hoping tonight was going to be much better for Harris.

I’m worried about the Heritage Foundation too.

She should have spoken personally. Honestly, Hillary did it too. Why can't they summon the leadership to speak that night? It reads weak. Her political career is over.

And ABC and all the cunts saying all of that r500 will magically find that the economy is perfect, righteous, pure, and true the second Trump steps into the White House, right?

Fuck off, you whore.

r499 Yep. Saw a clip the other day of someone interviewing people on the streets in some African country (Nigeria, maybe?) and they all said they supported Trump. They don't care that he calls their home shithole countries, they like him because he tells it how it is and gets shit done. It's the rawness that appeals to people, and that's just something we need to accept going forward.

I can't help but feel bad for her. She did what her party asked her to, even when the party knew for months Joe was a liability. And then she went out there and truly gave it all she had.

Tbh if we want Dems to be a moderate party that only runs straight white military men who refuse to mention gay rights or women’s rights then we might as well go to one party rule!

Kamala will not be seen until tomorrow. That isn’t a good sign.

I’m really worried about the blue wall. I think this may be what we feared most.

[quote]This shows the majority don’t want an open border, the majority feel the economy is bad, the majority are struggling, the majority don’t agree with gender politics etc. People are just tired of the BS.

Bingo!

[quote]Decision Desk HQ is usually a reliable forecaster, so their prediction for Dems to take back the House is good news. And they usually make their predictions before the regular news networks.

Decision Desk has now projected 248 votes for Trump and gives him a 93.8% chance of victory.

They're also tired of gays R500 and they have very specific and open plans to deal with our legal protections and then gay marriage. You sound thrilled about it.

Hopefully Biden pardons everyone

R504 because she refused to.

Mark Cuban in '28!

The surrender to the far left was the undoing of the Dems.

No way is he going to let Muak outshine him. Musk will be tossed in the heap with the rest of them.

[quote] I still have to go home for Thanksgiving and Christmas and pretend like everything is fine. I don’t know how to tell my elderly parents that I think they’ve been brainwashed by Fox and Facebook into becoming a pair of low class pieces of shit. I want them to feel as abandoned physically in their geriatric years as they’ve made me feel emotionally through their worship of their false orange idol. But I’m too simpering to ever cause a scene.

If you don't want to go back home, then don't. It's ok to limit contact or completely cut off contact with family members are toxic in some way. I know a few people who have cut off contact or limited contact with Trump supporter family members.

[quote] and gets shit done

Yeah, right. Remind me what the GOP platform is? Oh, right - they haven't had one since 2020.

Harris campaign co-chair said she’s not expected to speak tonight.

But that orange cunt doesn’t get shit done.

He crashed the economy, raised taxes in the dumb fucks who voted for him, sold out to Putin.

Where is any of this “getting shit done”? He’s just a loud mouthed asshole.

r519 I agree with you, I'm just relaying what I heard those dunces saying.

[quote] If you want then to respect you, you need to turn iff the loud voices in the Democratic Party who have elevated themselves within the party by using racial grievances.

Yes, clearly what they all crave is a huge tax cut for Elon Musk. It's the only reasonable solution to all these grievances.

Just stop. Stop pretending to give a shit about shit you don't care about. Fuck off.

[quote]They don't care that he calls their home shithole countries, they like him because he tells it how it is and gets shit done.

Exactly what shit did he get done in his first term?

Van is on CNN... get you tissues out.

[quote]Tbh if we want Dems to be a moderate party that only runs straight white military men who refuse to mention gay rights or women’s rights then we might as well go to one party rule!

Rep. Tlaib won re-election, so you have that.

Fox calling GA for Trump.

Oh ABC IS NAILING IT TONIGHT

They just said live on TV that Kamala going home and refusing to speak is AMATEUR HOUR. She should speak to the people who supported her instead of refusing to address them. They said it’s childish and unprofessional.

They also said the Democratic Party needs to evaluate themselves.l and not point fingers. They dropped the ball here. There should have been an open debate and election for a new Democratic nominee and not just choose her.

I’m shocked they’re nailing the Dems.

Harry Enten:

[quote] Well folks it's pretty simple. Harris' paths to 270 electoral votes are limited, and Trump's are plenty. To make it simple, Harris must carry Pennsylvania. There is no path without it. Trump is ahead there. But that's not all. Harris probably needs Michigan and Wisconsin as well. She's currently trailing in both of those.

Here goes Van. Meaningful pauses.

I despise Van Jones.

All the conservative old justices on the Supreme Court will retire and he'll replace them with literal infants. The Court will be lost for a century. Not to mention all the federal judges he'll be able to ram through now that he has the Senate.

Joy Reid is exhausting: If you've been living in America, you'd know how difficult it is to elect a woman, much less a woman of color..." Maybe she will be the first casualty of the new America,

Gag.

Harry Enten:

I want to note that there will be a lot of analysis as to why Harris is trailing right now. The answer to me is really simple. No incumbent party has ever won another term with so few Americans thinking the country is heading in the right direction.

However:

Does that include electing a criminal who is a compulsive liar and crazy? Apparently so.

[quote]All the conservative old justices on the Supreme Court will retire and he'll replace them with literal infants.

People wanted Thomas to resign. Be careful what you wish for.

Gen Z shocking people by voting for Trump in high numbers.

I’m in Delaware. We just elected the country’s first ever trans to the House.

I want to roll my eyes right now, but the doctor said if I keep doing it my ocular muscles might spasm and eject my eyeballs.

r533 I hate Joy even more than Van Jones. I detest that term, but she really is a useless DEI hire.

[quote]the majority feel the economy is bad

Yeah, they "feel" it. But they're 100% wrong. I'm not American, and over here we all know your economy is #1 in the world by every measure except the deficit, and that middle of the road economists from all other developed countries think the Trump policies will destroy it.

It's not the economy that is making people feel wretched, it's the way the US does capitalism, and that's going to get way worse under Trump (or rather, Musk and Thiel). But if people really wanted that addressed they'd have voted for Sanders. What they want is retribution, because they ARE voting about how they "feel", and that's what Trump offers.

Has anyone checked on Allan Lichtman?

Matthew is distraught over a huge portion of Gen Z going red

Fucking Jeff Bezos is patting himself on the back right about now.

R540 you’re not American but telling Americans how they should feel? 🤣 yeah, no.

Totally agree democratic leadership failed.

The fact that Harris made it such a close race was a sign of her strength. This was an uphill battle because people do not like that state of the nation and they do not like the Biden administration.

This is Biden, Biden, Biden. We told everyone for months he was not a good president. We were told to shut up. I probably opened 10 accounts on here because i kept getting FF’d for saying Biden needed to step down.

Biden behaves like Trump. Harris was anointed not because she was the best candidate to replace Biden but because Biden owed his own rise to the Presidency to the transactional nature of his deal making with the Congressional Black Caucus. That’s a kleptocracy if I ever heard one.

We are dealing with the inevitable ending of Biden’s cynical, disgraceful presidency. The Republicans would gave been less likely to choose Trump if they saw the Democrats choosing a new candidate. Biden DEPRIVED Democrats of the ability to choose their candidate. How did we think we were going to overcome that handicap?

[quote] People wanted Thomas to resign. Be careful what you wish for.

We want him to resign in time for Biden to pick a replacement and ram that through. He probably won't, but maybe he'll keel over dead tomorrow, along with Alito. That would be fine.

This isn’t over yet. The urban votes still need to be counted in many states.

On the other hand, red hats were dumb enough to vote in George W. Bush— twice. Anything is possible. Christ, what a dumb country.

[quote]Has anyone checked on Allan Lichtman?

Happy to see the back of that hack media parasite.

[quote] Has anyone checked on Allan Lichtman?

If there is any silver lining to tonight's defeat, it's that we won't have to hear about Alan Lichtman and his 13 keys anymore.

Let’s be honest: the trans issue helped Republicans. It was influential in ads that scared people.

Waking up Europe here....WTF has happened to the USA?

The Democratic Party did about as well as it could have under the crazy circumstances. A president running for re-election turned out to be just too damn old and it showed. So they swapped in his vice president, who ran about as well as she could have in every way.

The truth is, the great and good American people have apparently (still not clearly, cause these things just have to be dragged out these days) but apparently decided to vote crazy, for the guy the who tried to steal the last election. Yeah, there are fingers to be pointed, and really they are not at the Democratic Party leadership. They really are at the crazy ass voters who have made a really stupid decision (again, assuming they have, cause who the fuck knows for sure).

[quote]Barring crazy vote dumps that reveal something new and dramatic Donald Trump is headed for a sweep of all 7 battlegrounds.

Well, there you have it, in black and white. It's over.

No. The Democratic Party did terrible. The President resigns during election season, you hold a new debate and a new candidate is elected. That’s how it works. Instead you all were ok with her being placed without a vote.

Look now.

It'll be studied how Twitter/X and its conservative changeover altered the electorate.

So this ended up being a blowout after all. Just not in our favor.

Junior Mint coked out of his ever lasting gourd tonight

We’re fine R553. We send our love.

r556 Biden kind of tied the Party's hands.

The other failure of the Biden presidency was his inability to realize that he was not elected because people liked him but because things in the country were going bad and he was the only alternative. The sane thing happened here. Voting for Trump was the only way you could say you are unhappy with the state of the country.

We are in late stage capitalism. You must understand that you can not run a positivist campaign when it will only get worse. We are becoming the society depicted in Blade Runner. Things will get worse and worse and the country will just oscillate between two poles because that’s all it can do.

Yeah, I just keep thinking of George Bush’s re-election in 2004. /smh

That tells you all you need to know about the “Perfect” Kamala you all wanted. She can’t even win the popular vote.

[quote] we should have seen it coming with shit like a Drew Tate and Fresh & Fit and all the Elon cultists

The popular vote? Wow.

In fairness, R544, we've all seen what happens when Americans are left to their own devices. Some listening might do some good, yeah?

Maybe THIS will be the wake up call Democrats need. But I fear it won’t be. They didn’t learn with Clinton in 2016.

Great, r562, thanks for having no fucking clue and no fucking idea what to do about any fucking thing. Now fuck off.

As for holding some big stupid mini primary with all kinds of bullshit nonsense close to the actual election, no that shit was never going to happen. Stop pretending that was ever an option r556. The only hope was that the American people would not vote like assholes, and unfortunately that gamble has not, apparently, paid off.

The patronizing attitude towards both the deplorables and the minorities needs to stop. It's so tempting to engage in it, but we're now collecting the fruits of that bad habit.

What do Democrats need to wake up to, R570?

My only gripe with Kamala is she was terrible at interviews. When put her name forward to be the nominee and I expected she would be a much better candidate this time but she still struggled to articulate anything or explain why people should vote for her. And don't get me started on the 6 or so weeks after getting the party support to be the nominee when she refused to do interviews. Once that narrative grew that she was scared of interviews it killed her momentum and chances of winning.

R573 if you don’t know, that says all that needs to be said. There is no explaining it to you. Time to wake up.

Oh no. Now Trump will say he has a mandate to be a jerk. He’s going to be 79-82 while in office. It’s going to be a rough ride for Americans as he gets crazier and crazier, especially when his poll numbers tank,

We'll have to re-examine all those so-called "garbage" pollsters and move them into the highly accurate category.

They love being despised r572, they just apparently want to be despised by Wall Street and Silicon Valley and everybody at Mar a Lago. This fantasy that reaching out and understanding will change anything is bullshit nonsense, and that's what needs to stop.

Trump’s nuttiness merely mirrors the contempt most Americans have of government. Remember the baby boomers were the ones who said “Don’t trust anyone over thirty.”

People are not voting for Trump’s fascism as much as they are voting against Biden and Harris’s weakness.

Note to Bob Woodward - take all the dirt you have on Trump that you keep secret until you can make bank with your publishing schedule, and shove it up your ass.

Then people ask why so many black men decided to vote against Kamala. Maybe they’re tired of being patronized and attacked for every thing.

[quote][R556] Biden kind of tied the Party's hands.

Biden and the prevailing attitudes about gender, race and everything else in the basket of progressivism. People wielded Harris' race and sex like a threat - and I say this as someone who thinks she was as fine and strong a candidate who got fucked over by how people feel about the economy.

Guess doing all the shitty podcasts does work, huh? Well, good to know going forward, I guess.

It’s going to hit these Arab voters first, as Netanyahu bombs the Palestinian people out of existence.

The Americans have sold the Ukrainian people out as well. For the price of eggs. Unbelievable.

That’s not why Trump won, r572, assuming he did.

We are right to see them as trash. They’re trash whether we choose to see them that way or not. They are ok with a finger rapist and insurrectionist as chief executive of this country.

CNN: Republicans have control of the Senate.

[Quote] as Netanyahu bombs the Palestinian people out of existence.

Not just Netanyahu. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the U.S. military joins in on the genocide.

Is it something you can articulate, R575? Since you’re the one saying it?

I don’t blame Kamala. She did a great job. I blame the Americans who rejected her bin favor of an asshole.

r563 I wish I could say I'm shocked by those numbers, but sadly, I am not and definitely saw that coming. Hamtramck is likely similar.

So to everybody calling them trash and rejecting them, where are we gonna get the votes?

Kamala didn’t do a great job at all, actually. And should have never been the candidate.

Once again, the pollsters were way off the mark. The polls showed a close race, but Harris was usually ahead in the blue wall states, even if it was by a small margin. Nobody was predicting a clean sweep of the swing states by Trump. And Ann Selzer, the queen of polling who supposedly can do no wrong, predicted Harris would win Iowa by 3 points, but Trump is actually winning Iowa by 14 points. Selzer was only off by 17 points. Pollsters totally underestimated Trump's strength. I've usually been a defender of polls, but they seem to have been meaningless this time around.

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R576, Trump isn’t going to serve a full term. They’ll be introducing President Vance within 4 months.

I'm wondering how burdened Kamala is by what has been.

Trump is on the way to speak to his supporters now.

r595 STOP with that fucking bullshit. My god, I had to listen to "Trump won't serve one full year" back in 2016 as well, and then each successive year after that. Just fucking stop.

Trump is heading over from Mar-a-lago. We all know what he’s about to say.

If there had been an open convention she NEVER would have been the nominee.

And who was your fantasy candidate r592? Anybody at all, or some magical, not gonna ever, ever say, but I bet that secret, double-plus good candidate would be president right now!

Yes, well, R581, now they can just die on the street in choke holds, George Floyd-style. That should work well for them.

The last 4 years have been terrible for many? Excuse me? The gas station by my house is offering 85K for a manager position - only requirement is a GED. My state has 3% unemployment. The MAGA flags were out in upper middle class areas with RVs and boats outside. Nobody had a terrible time because of Biden or the government.

Oh well, that’s the thing, R603 - the “economy” is now going to improve 100% overnight with the Trump win.

It’s not about the economy, people. It’s about racism and misogyny. The White Nationlists won.

r563 good luck to their Gazan relatives.

This election was about inflation, just as 2020 was about Covid. Everything else is just noise.