Iran-funded propaganda and the Gaza/Israel War.

I remember last year just before the attack on Israel, there was a crank up of pro-Palestine “protests” in DC, NYC. I remember thinking it was odd.

Where before it was one nut job on a bull horn. Suddenly there were large groups, blaring propaganda and pushing pamplets…the whole 9 yards. They were around Columbia and NYU the weeks BEFORE the attack.

And then a few weeks later came the attack. And people, including some fringe D list celebrities, were already prepared with slogans and visual aids, links to donate, etc…

And the next thing you know it spread to bigger celebrities and then of course across the college campuses etc.

The entire thing rolled out like a massive propaganda effort. Within a week of the attack, no one would even talk about the rapes and murders and the atrocities.

They would only talk about the citizens of Gaza and their hardships …

Did anyone have a similar experience,

It’s like the terrorist attack never happened.

After America was attacked, we took out half the Middle East.

I don’t think the d list celebrities knew in advance that there was going to be an attack but the money was flowing heavily from Iran to the US just before the attacks.

Well?

Intriguing, OP. Presumably Iran is actively propagandizing. It would be foolish not to. Any links, though?

Gen Z has to be the stupidest, most gullible generation ever.

[quote] Gen Z has to be the stupidest, most gullible generation ever.

This is funny of you to say that, on this thread, on this website, with zero links or sources.

R5 link to what?

I just gave a first hand observation

Asking if others had a similar experience.

Do you want a link to my brain?

[quote] Gen Z has to be the stupidest, most gullible generation ever

So many people under fifty have been ignoring crazy email forwards from their Boomer relatives about conspiratorial fantasies involving Obama or the Clintons for years, if not decades at this point.

Stupidity is not specific to one generation. The fact that so many of our generational cohorts are idiots is probably what we have in common the most.

The propaganda push was way too effective. It freaks me out that so many young people just sopped it up.

Also, what is Russia and Irans relationship? Are they allies?

What does “brain trust” Ben Shapiro and the like have to say if they are in fact allies.

He can’t support the Putin party (republicans) and also Israel

Oh, gee, I dont know....I'm 61 and not prone to falling for propaganda and yet I strangely have an aversion to Israeli soldiers slaughtering thousands of Palestinian civilians in a rather obvious ploy to reclaim Gaza for Israel...

Oooops! My bad! That should be "CLAIM Gaza for Israel" since Israel has no rights to it now, or in the past.

R14 I don’t really disagree but there was a terrorist attack. And I wonder why it’s as if that never happened.

Do you also feel bad for the babies who were killed and hostages taken?

I don’t think there has been enough detailed information coming out of the region from US media. Do they even do overseas anymore?

Remember when CNN and the networks used to have international reporting from the scene every night? Not anymore.

Even Wold Blitzer’s has been reduced to a studio panel.

R14 are you American? I do sympathize with your point but I wonder if you too have been influenced by the propaganda but more indirectly.

Unless of course you live in the region and have first hand accounts.

[quote] Oh, gee, I dont know....I'm 61 and not prone to falling for propaganda and yet I strangely have an aversion to Israeli soldiers slaughtering thousands of Palestinian civilians in a rather obvious ploy to reclaim Gaza for Israel...

These amazing takes don’t give Palestinians / Muslims any agency in their own story.

You saw the footage of October 7th? You saw the videos of civilians running alongside the truck carrying the corpse of Shani Louk and spitting on her?

If Palestinians release the 100 hostages, including the two infants, and stop firing missiles into Israel on a daily basis then the war ends.

Exactly. How did these kids get to the point where they are supporting terrorists?

They shouldn’t be supporting Israel either. They are kids and should enjoying college and if they are going to protest, there is enough in America to protest right here.

It’s just fucking bizarre. Their social media is normal just a year or so back. Now it’s filled with Iranian talking points.

The ever shrinking media leaves a huge hole for this propaganda to…propagate. Unchallenged.

Weirdly, I can feel pain for BOTH sides. But, also feel a great deal of anger for Israel for slaughtering THOUSANDS of civilians to get back 100 hostages.

And, you're labeling the kids as "brainwashed" when you use words like "terrorists" to describe every Palestinian.

"Israel Good; All Muslims Bad" is just another kind of brainwashing.

Journalism has also been dreadful and shows excessive anti Israel bias.

A British film crew reporting from Israel and were nearly hit by a missile fired from Gaza, intercepted by the Iron Dome. The journalist reassured people they were okay and then blamed Israel for not giving the Iron Dome to Ukraine.

[quote] Weirdly, I can feel pain for BOTH sides. But, also feel a great deal of anger for Israel for slaughtering THOUSANDS of civilians to get back 100 hostages.

They’re not JUST trying to get back 100 hostages though, are they?

You do know Hamas are firing missiles into Israel on a daily basis? You do know that right? You’re informed enough to know that?

And seeing as you’re so informed how many of the Gaza death toll are Hamas combatants?

Yes...those roman candles are just decimating Israel.

Meanwhile, Israel has killed 16,000 children. Probably all armed Hamas terrorists armed with machetes.

I think they both need to work out a peace agreement like every other civilized country.

We know about Israel’s atrocities. My question is more to do with the terroirs attack itself and how that has been erased. I don’t want to rehash the central conflict here just crazy how it all unfolded. Does that make sense?

Like all the information/communication around the conflict, not so much the age old conflict itself.

[quote] Meanwhile, Israel has killed 16,000 children. Probably all armed Hamas terrorists armed with machetes.

It’s called War. Hamas have deliberately used civilian sites as their military bases - hospitals, schools, UNRWA offices.

Again, you know this don’t you? You know Hamas are operating from civilian areas?

Wish these students would bring that energy for Ukraine. And all the kids who have been killed there.

If they get to use North Koreans then Ukraine should get to use EU/US troops. It would be over in a month.

It's not really an "age old" conflict.

The "Jews vs the Muslims" issue is solely because of the creation of Israel and the mishandling of that creation in 1948 when the West/iThe Colonial Powers That Be decided that giving away already occupied land to the Jews was a good idea.

Jews and Muslims got along fine for hundreds of years.

It's the dumb Christians who stirred the pot and created this shit storm.

[quote] Jews and Muslims got along fine for hundreds of years.

Where did you learn that? TikTok?

No. From years of actually reading history books. You should try it sometime.

You'll also be shocked to learn that Moorish Spain was very tolerant of Jews and Christians.

Of course, the second the Christians got control....the INQUISITION!!!!

Christianity...the original shithead religion.

[quote]Do you want a link to my brain?

Too kind, but no, most decidedly not r10 / OP..

[quote]No. From years of actually reading history books. You should try it sometime.

None of the history books you read covered the numerous pogroms in the region?

Does "Hebron 1929" mean anything to you?

[QUOTE] Gen Z has to be the stupidest, most gullible generation ever.

Agreed. For many this is their first time voting and the dumb whores are abstaining purely because Kamala won't stop supporting Israel.

They're all asexual so they don't care about losing access to contraception or abortion.

[QUOTE] And seeing as you’re so informed how many of the Gaza death toll are Hamas combatants?

Fuck off, Bibi.

R34 yeah, and I'm also well aware that Muslims and Jews lived together quite nicely (for the most part) until the end of the Ottoman Empire and once the British took over is when the shit storm started.

Despite the West's eternal belief that the Middle East has been a sad little dusty hell hole for centuries just waiting for the West to come along and save it, the reality is, the Arab/Muslim World was a powerhouse for centuries while Europe was a shitty little backwater.

R37 - did Europeans force the Arab Muslim world to expel their Jewish populations, the Jewish populations you claim lived peacefully alongside them for centuries?

Was that the fault of white people as well or do you afford them some agency in their own actions?

Although credit to you for acknowledging Jews lived in the region for centuries, if not thousands of years and simply "white colonisers".

Voting for trump is a vote against Palestine. That much is clear.

And going back to the OP's premise, yes it is Iran funded, at least in part.

Look at the pro Palestinian accounts covering the student's protest in Iran over the weekend, where she stripped off and was arrested.

They're claiming she was having a mental health episode.

R33 fair enough.

R38 Well, apparently you need a history lesson...the great Jewish diasporas (Jews being kicked out of Palestine) happened pre-Islam and were instigated by Assyrians, Babylonians and Romans. The Sephardic Jews were the ones who settled in Spain where they lived and flourished for centuries until....the Christians took power and made life hell for them. The Sephardim then fled, mostly back to North Africa and throughout the Middle East where they lived in Muslim lands including Palestine though not in huge numbers; the Jews were very much a minority but that was the case most places. Again, the Jews in the Muslim World were certainly better off than the Ashkenazi Jews in Europe who lived in shtetls and ghettos and were mostly treated like shit by the Christians.

There's a reason why the Zionists wanted to go back to Palestine...to get away from the fucking Christians.

R42 - how many Jews were expelled from Morocco, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Iran and Iraq in the 1940s?

And silence from the anti Zionist.

[quote]I wonder how much of this gen Z support for Gaza is a direct result of Iranian propaganda on social media.

Almost all of it, see link

Congratulations OP, you are smart, much smarter than many on here. And astute and perceptive - you see the propaganda effort for what it is

[quote] I am a bleeding heart liberal, and my heart breaks for liberals in Gaza who do not support Hamas.

There arent many left, the Iranian funded propaganda effort has been far more intense and longer lasting amongst the populace there. But I do feel sad for the women and children who had no part in the decision making process, and who have been cynically used as human shields by Hamas

[quote]I also think the Israeli Prime Minister is mostly looking out for himself. And we can argue all day about who is the bigger problem.

Agreed

[quote]But what I don’t understand is the American response. Why are teenagers willing to go on hunger strikes in protest of Isreal…and why celebrities are falling in line…

Too many people fail to question the narrative or where it comes from

[quote]Also, what is Russia and Irans relationship? Are they allies?

R13 in short, yes. Another astute observation. See link. They even supply arms to each other on a large scale - Iranian missiles and drones are being used against Ukraine as we speak

[quote]What does “brain trust” Ben Shapiro and the like have to say if they are in fact allies.

Good question, but I dont know if that many people care what that cunt thinks to be honest

[quote]He can’t support the Putin party (republicans) and also Israel

Too true

Ben Shapiro is blinkered when it comes to Russia/Ukraine in the same way that most "pro Palestinians" are blinkered when it comes to Iran.

Seeing pro Palestinians sharing photos and videos of dead Syrians and saying "LOOK WHAT ZIONISTS" did reveals a huge disconnect they can't square. Those images were widely shared a decade ago but no one marched, no one protested, no one cared because it was Arab Muslims killing Arab Muslims.

[quote]It's not really an "age old" conflict.

Oh dear R30. There are records of Pogroms against Jews in the region going back at least the the 7th century and likely much earlier, see link

[quote]The "Jews vs the Muslims" issue is solely because of the creation of Israel and the mishandling of that creation in 1948 when the West/iThe Colonial Powers That Be decided that giving away already occupied land to the Jews was a good idea.

Wrong, it goes back hundreds of years at least within what is now Israel

[quote]Jews and Muslims got along fine for hundreds of years.

Nope, again there are documented pogroms committed by Muslims going back far further than the 1929 Hebron instance referenced by R34

[quote]It's the dumb Christians who stirred the pot and created this shit storm.

Certainly Christianity up until the modern age was every bit as toxic and antisemitic as Islam and even worse during the middle ages and the Crusades period. But it has mostly changed for the better, whereas most of Islam has worsened

Most of GenZ have no idea there is a war going on and if they do they can’t tell you who is fighting. And the OP does not know one person GenZ or not who is on a hunger strike to support Hamas.

And R2? 9/11 happened in America. I don’t know why there’d be a similar reaction since October 7th did not involve the US.

Thank you r45. One quote from link, among others:

[quote]In advance of demonstrations, a memo allegedly written by an IRGC intelligence official, urged “significant support measures for April 15 and other rallies with the aim to achieve [Israel’s] political isolation."

The initials IRGC stand for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp.

But in addition to Iran's propaganda activity after 10/7, college campuses for decades have been steeped in anti-colonialism, which they apply to Israel for some reason. Also, BDS (boycott, divest, sanction) activism has been ongoing for decades on campus.

So campuses have been primed for 10/7 anti-Israel demonstrations by their education, by activism, and by financial & propaganda support from Iran. (All those identical tents.)

Plus, it's fun! Students can be with their friends, camp out, throw things, sing & chant, break into buildings, ditch class, feel righteous. What’s not to like? A common enemy is delicious.

And there's no exams, so you don’t really have to learn anything or question anything.

Except for R32/R37, this thread feels awfully sock puppet-y.

Online sm threads feel so weird when it's obvious one person is talking to itself through multiple accounts.

I haven't a dog in this fight (both sides are behaving abominably), so I'm out.

I was molested in Gaza.

R52 your bright insightful observation, except for 32 and 37 , which for some reason you go out of your way to mention and like , is that the rest of us are one person talking to himself.

I bet you are a Phd type you are so really smart.

And this one person who is talking to themselves are they by any chance Russian?

R52 praises the ridiculous posts that claim Muslims always lived with Jews in peace and harmony and Christians are to blame and accuses others of being sock puppet account.

Hilarious!

[QUOTE] Except for [R32]/[R37], this thread feels awfully sock puppet-y.

Yes - it's just one ugly Zionist babbling on to himself on several accounts, praising his own posts.