France shows the world how to deal with Islamic Extremist

Sounds like you're not a big fan of freedom of speech

r1 It has its limits

R2, and you decide the limit?

I’m not a fan of hate speech r1. France granted him asylum and he disrespects the country and targets various French communities with his hate speech. Of course he’s all apologies now.

Their country, their laws r3.

Hate Speech is not covered under freedom of speech - especially in Europe R3. I know here in Italy you can get a ticket for homophobic speech, publicly insulting someone because of their sexuality.

Freedom (of speech) stops the moment you try to curb someone else’s freedom.

Simple.

DL gays defending Islamic hate preachers who hate European countries they claimed asylum in?

OP’s very first post here by the way. Right after a troll purge. An Islamophobic post.

I wonder who OP might be?

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[Quote] DL gays defending Islamic hate preachers

Please, spare us. We are not idiots. We know exactly what pot you’re stirring.

r3 Did I say that? Nope.

[quote] Freedom (of speech) stops the moment you try to curb someone else’s freedom.

[quote] Simple.

No, not really. Calling for any kind of gun control here in the U.S. would be seen as "curbing someone else's freedom." Sorry, but that's just not a good standard to use. In fact calling for any law that could get anybody sent to prison would be an attempt to "curb someone else's freedom."

In this case, you like the result, but the actual principal is a really shitty principal to use when it comes to free speech.

r12 You're sorry?

A little bit r13. Sorry that there aren't always easy answers to obnoxious people. But this case does bother me. Giving any government the chance to wake up one day and decide, you're an asshole, get out, is always dangerous. And I suspect this imam is an asshole, but it still bothers me that France seems to be kicking out somebody who's lived there for 38 years on a whim.

[quote]OP’s very first post here by the way. Right after a troll purge. An Islamophobic post.

Please explain to us what is Islamophobic about OP's post.

Send it back.

[quote]In this case, you like the result, but the actual principal is a really shitty principal to use when it comes to free speech.

This is France, not the US.

It is a different culture with different criteria for what constitutes free speech.

[quote]Giving any government the chance to wake up one day and decide, you're an asshole, get out, is always dangerous.

Strawman argument.

The principle is still the same r17. I know it's not a First Amendment issue, but it is a free speech issue. And France has a tradition of free speech too.

How many people read the article? If all he did was call a flag "satanic" then that is hardly hate speech. It is one man's nutty religious opinion. He didn't say "here's a list of the groups I hate and the ways in which I'd like to murder them all".

R19 Why is it sooooo hard for Americans to understand that the world outside of the US is a very different place?

"Yet, while French law considers free speech to be an essential component of a democratic society, it is not seen as absolute. French legislators, and French courts, seek to balance freedom of speech with other imperatives, such as other freedoms and rights, and public order. Thus, freedom of expression may be limited for the sake of protecting privacy, protecting the presumption of innocence, and preventing defamation and insults. Freedom of expression may also be limited for the sake of protecting public order. It is therefore illegal to incite others to commit a crime, even when no crime ends up being actually committed. French law also prohibits hate speech, and speech denying or justifying the Holocaust and other crimes against humanity. Additionally, French law prohibits defamation against government institutions and office-holders, as well as disrespecting the national anthem and flag in the context of public events organized or regulated by public authorities." - LAW Library of Congress

All you camel fucker apologists can fuck right off

r14 "lived there for 38 years on a whim. "

How does one live on a whim?

R21, yes, the world outside is a different place. It’s often one that we in the U.S. would rather not emulate. We do not want or need “hate speech” laws.

[quote] Why is it sooooo hard for Americans to understand that the world outside of the US is a very different place?

It isn't.

[quote] "Yet, while French law considers free speech to be an essential component of a democratic society, it is not seen as absolute.

Pretty much nobody consider free speech to be absolute. But that doesn't mean it isn't an important principal in a democratic society, and it actually matters how much power you give any government to curb it.

Do you seriously not see that? Is that a completely foreign concept to you? Do you just assume that any government can be trusted completely to regulate any criticism of itself and nobody should ever object to that in any way? Or are you one of these types that always assumes that governmental power will ALWAYS be used to fight people I don't like and never to oppress people like me?

R25 Once again, let's see if you can get it through your think provincial skull: France has it's OWN interpretation of free speech, of what is and isn't allowed by law. The courts make the final decision as they did in the case.

BTW: "Freedom House" ranks France a freer country than the US. And "Reporters without Borders' World Press Freedom Index" ranks France far above the US.

France doesn't need Americans telling it how to conduct things.

[quote] France has it's OWN interpretation of free speech, of what is and isn't allowed by law.

An interpretation that must never, ever be questioned by anybody, American or French. Got it. Thanks, but I disagree.

[quote] France doesn't need Americans telling it how to conduct things.

No, you don't need it. It's a service provided free of charge. Just as I don't mind when Europeans comment on American affairs, I don't mind questioning European governments when they go astray, as I think they did here. National governments' interpretations of free speech are not sacred and I don't take them all that seriously when governments are dealing with criticisms of themselves. They all deserve it, and they all hate it.

[quote]I don't mind questioning European governments when they go astray

Going astray? Where?

The court is following the law.

I mean this, r28. This almost seems like a temper tantrum more than a reasonable government decision. Glad the courts have a say, which of course implies that things aren't just clear and simple here, or that "France" has an undivided opinion on this:

[quote] He was expelled "less than 12 hours after his arrest", Mr Darmanin said in another post, adding that the new laws "makes France stronger".

[quote] "We won't let anything go," he warned.

R27 dreams of swarthy Arabic men beating him , dressing him in a hijab and treating him as shittily as their Arabic wives.

Not really r30, but I understand your worship of government power. I understand the temptation. Don't pretend you believe in free speech though. You don't.

Good.

He looks like Jerry Lewis’s long lost son.

[quote] This almost seems like a temper tantrum more than a reasonable government decision.

You don't know what you are talking about.

The creep was under observation for some time..

And most importantly: he is NOT a French citizen.

And you keep blabbing about the "governments decision". It is the court's decision.

"The deportation order was also based on previous sermons during which Mahjoubi is alleged to have encouraged discrimination against women, hatred of Jews and the destruction of Western society."

"However on Monday the French judge examining the case upheld Mahjoubi's expulsion on the grounds that he had deliberately used discriminatory language and incited hatred towards women and Jews in his sermons."

"The court ruled that the imam's remarks did not fall within France's "framework of values" and that they set Muslims against non-Muslims, incited hatred towards Jews and Israel, and advocated for jihad and Sharia law."

Also:

"While the deportation order was based on his sermons, his marital status may have added to the urgency behind his deportation. According to Le Figaro, Mahjoubi had contracted a religious union “with a [Tunisian] compatriot while he was not yet divorced from his previous wife, a French national.” Polygamy is a deportable offense under French law, the paper added."

[quote] DL gays defending Islamic hate preachers who hate European countries they claimed asylum in?

Yup, it's as deranged as Jews for Hitler. Stupid is as stupid does.

If you protect someone and bring them into your country and they shit all over you and encourage violence to your people you should deport them

[quote] Hate Speech is not covered under freedom of speech

In the U.S. it is. This is Europe though, the home of Fascism and Nazism. France loves pedophiles.

[quote] France doesn't need Americans telling it how to conduct things.

But it does need us when their pussy asses allow themselves to be invaded.

[quote]This almost seems like a temper tantrum

^ The idiocy of that statement.

Some background:

"Mahjoubi is just the latest imam to have been sent back to his country of origin for expressing views deemed contrary to French values."

"In 2012, fellow Tunisian Mohamed Hammami was expelled for advocating violent jihad and anti-Semitism. Several others were expelled under the Socialist government of Francois Hollande."

"Under President Emmanuel Macron's watch, Doudi Abdelhadi was deported to his native Algeria in 2018, Mmadi Ahamada to the Comoros in 2022 and Hassan Iquioussen to Morocco in 2023."

"According to Interior Ministry figures, 44 people "deemed dangerous and linked to radical Islam" were expelled from France in 2023 – an increase of 26 percent on the previous year."

It sounds like he was encouraging misogyny and anti semitism. Someone like that should be deported

R31 self righteous displays are paramount

Reality is not

"Islamic extremist" is redundant.

R41, misogyny and religious intolerance are traditional Western values.

R29, now that we know it was much more than just calling the flag satanic (which would be a silly thing to deport someone over), do you still think the imam should remain in France?

Islamists are not compatible with democracies.

“The French authorities have deported a Tunisian imam who advocated for jihadi violence and sharia law and expressed hatred towards non-Muslims and the French Republic.”

Byeee. “The religion of peace.”

An we deport Trump?

^can

He's ugly therefore his deportation is just.

More, more, again, again!

I love how this one character is taking on the French Constitution from behind his keyboard and with his collegiate essay level writing. “. Astray” “Do you not see?” You know what kid, keep at it. You might just change their minds, if not the world.

In other news…. I agree with most of France’s interpretation of Free Speech.

How do you live somewhere 38 years and not try to become a citizen? Not want to ….

Loads more to deport

R12 agree to disagree!

This going on right now.

Its a good start and as R34 posted the reasons for deportation were far more substantial than just a video of him calling the French flag Satanic. But France has a huge Islamist problem now, they need to step up the pace of deportations, this guy is just one of thousands

OP you were more amusing when you were the Trans Troll.

Israel would have dealt with the Islamic extremist more effectively. Plus, he would have gotten a free pager.

I was never the Tran’s troll r58. Your Hewlett Packard must have its wires crossed.

I’m gay and I’m black and I’ve had Muslim friends. You don’t have to scratch too deep to discover their disapproval of gays. Generally you just feel tolerated. There is a difference with black Christians. In groups you feel tolerated. One on one, they really don’t care unless they are deep in the sauce - and those ones usually aren’t friends. Plus Christians drink.

He looks like Adam Driver with facial hair.

[quote]Mahjoub Mahjoubi, who hails from Tunisia but came to France 38 years ago, was an imam at the Ettaouba mosque in the small town of Bagnols-sur-Cèze, in the south of France.

Why does a town of 18k need a mosque? You don't see this shit in the US or elsewhere in Europe.

R60 correction attached.

This is dumb. I support Europe having stronger laws curbing hate speech-- but this isn't hate speech.

He is a foreign resident of France. If this man spews hate speech that can incite violence against anyone on French soil, the French government has every right to throw him out of the country.

Was this hate speech? Well, Evangelical Christian pastors in the US are calling Kamala Harris, Tim Walz and the Democrats "satanic." Their speech can incite violence. What do we do with them in the US?

They love all the benefits of living in Western countries but despise everything else about the West.

Awful, r56. Chechens should not be allowed anywhere in Western countries, they are barbaric animals.

BTW Chechens are white so you virtue signalers can save your "racism!" screeching.

Persons of ALL stripes propagating extremism & hate speech should be immediately identified & dealt with. They make life miserable for those of us who want overall peaceful & thriving communities where GENUINE democratic values are to be the norm, rather than the exception.

Here are photos of the absolutely lovely & bucolic community this POS endeavored to poison with his bullshit. Any of us would be ever so fortunate to call it ‘home.’

If only we in America could do the same with every asshole who is currently, at this very moment, sitting online, preparing with other like minded lunatics for a Civil War if Trump loses the election this evening. They’re out there. I’ve already skimmed over some of their vomit.

Voting is fundamental. Do it!

As a whole, it can easily be interpreted as such, R65.

From OP’s BBC link:

It said his teachings encouraged discrimination against women, "tensions with the Jewish community" and "jihadist radicalisation". According to the order, he had also referred to Jewish people as "the enemy".

That's right R67.

Time to send them packing.

Jesus - some of you defending this asshole under 'free speech' are fucking idealists.

They've known him for years and said that he previously had stated other things - it wasn't just this one post.

Every country should adopt this. So many immigrants and families do not want to assimilate and criticize the countries that took them in. GO BACK THEN. In the case of Muslims, go to another Islamic country.

He had 38 years to obtain his French citizenship and failed to do so. At that point, you do not want to be a part of French society - you just want to suck off of it.

If you want sharia law, stay in your country where Sharia law exists.

If you threaten citizens with jihad, go back where jihad is the norm. Democracies aren’t going to clothe women in burkas, let you beat, rape and oppress them, keep them out of schools or turn the other cheek when you throw acid in their faces. Democracies aren’t going to allow you to behead people with swords/knives, use suicide vests, or stone people. Democracies aren’t ensnared in medieval Muslim societies.

Deport them. They will not assimilate. Restrict immigration.

Well!

I suppose I can save air fare back to the USA just by saying that the Metro's toilets are an affront to humanity.

After the Charlie Hebdo massacre, I would have deported all of them.

Hello?

Fuck you

Fuck you too, you whore!

R65, Free Speech according to which country?

I’m glad he’s gone. Countries can’t deport home grown assholes but why should we have to tolerate imported ones?

He DOES look like Jerry Lewis lol.