Britain has a new Conservative Party leader and Leader Of The Oppositon

Kemi's fucking awful. Abrasive, arrogant, condescending, and actually pretty stupid. She'll excite Tory headbangers and turn off anyone remotely moderate. Good luck with that!

She's terrible. This is going to be yet another slow-motion meltdown from the Tories, and she'll be a lightning rod for their last two decades of folly. I almost feel sorry for her, but you can tell she'd be an open homophobe if she was allowed to.

Why do you think she is homophobic?

freshing.

Watch her testimony on trans people. It's pretty vicious. I think she'd love to do it to gay people, too, but it's impolitic.

Explain how it is vicious? She opposes self ID like the majority of the public and opposes male rapists being placed in women’s prisons

Yep, thought you were going there. We're done.

DGAF about r6, but for the rest of you: Badenoch took the lead in the attempt to make trans issues a point-gaining wedge issue in the UK, just like Karl Rove and the neocons did with marriage equality in the aughts. Everyone's getting played no matter where they are on trans issues, and there's no point in interacting with r6 if they don't get that.

This is like the part in The Blair Witch Project when the Tory party realises they’ve just been going in circles.

Kemi had to deal with the Tavistock scandal and Cass Review - Kemi met Keira Bell despite being warned not to by civil servants. Labour have now accepted the Cass Review in full and banned blockers. So many ministers were warned about the Post Office scandal but didn’t act. Kemi acted on Tavistock and should be praised.

She had to deal with the employment tribunals finding in favour of women bullied out of their jobs for saying sex is real.

And she had to deal with the Scottish government and its self ID policy that left Nicola Sturgeon humiliated.

If Stonewall hadn’t pushed gender ideology to ridiculous levels - the Darlington nurses and Unison story is incredible - then there wouldn’t be an issue.

Not so fresh

[quote]Her Nigerian approach

It's hilarious how her supporters are trying to brand her personality flaws as being something linked to her heritage in an effort to try and prevent them being mentioned

How do you pronounce her name?

That exchange was quite revealing. The (inept) questioner said she LIKENED trans to a disease. She probably said that it was contagious and/or infectious. She deflects by saying (in the most inflammatory possible way) that she did not use the word “disease.” A perfect conservative. Skilled at deflection and verbal jujitsu.

[quote] It's hilarious how her supporters are trying to brand her personality flaws as being something linked to her heritage in an effort to try and prevent them being mentioned

The clip I posted shows why people like her. The directness was refreshing. Someone lied about her and she called them a liar to their face.

It’s no more a personality flaw than Angela Rayner being from t’north.

[quote]She ... opposes male rapists being placed in women’s prisons

[quote]Yep, thought you were going there. We're done.

So you *support* men being put in women's prisons? So vehemently that you refuse to speak to people who don't?

Weird. Are you just a big fan of rape?

[quote] Everyone's getting played no matter where they are on trans issues, and there's no point in interacting with [R6] if they don't get that.

[quote]why people like her

Outside of half the Tory membership, they don't. As you're about to see illustrated quite vividly in the coming years.

[quote] Outside of half the Tory membership, they don't. As you're about to see illustrated quite vividly in the coming years.

You seem very angry with the result.

I wouldn’t vote for her, but I wish her well. We saw what politics was like without a functioning opposition when Duncan Smith, Miliband and Corbyn were in position. Labour with its huge majority needs scrutiny to keep it in check. The appalling Assisted Dying bill is evidence of that.

[quote] So you *support* men being put in women's prisons? So vehemently that you refuse to speak to people who don't? Weird. Are you just a big fan of rape?

You think men pretend to be women to get into women’s prisons to rape them. I don’t think you should be calling anyone “weird.”

Stealth anti-trans bigot thread closed. Death to the Tories!

I heard a great quote about her "She's a Mrs. T. The only problem is we don't know if that T is Thatcher or Truss."

That being said, she does have a real shot at being PM. 100 days in office and the Labour party keeps making blunder after blunder to the point that polls out this week have the conservatives one point ahead.

After the tanking they took in the election, they are trying to prove how progressive they are by electing a Black woman as leader. Pity the membership is largely made up of racists.

She has a habit of opening her mouth just to change feet. It won’t be long before they are looking for her replacement, and agitating for Boris Johnson’s return.

OP:

1. Tories are shit and hurt the UK.

2. "Her Nigerian approach to her opponents is freshing."

Oh, dear.

3. The "Nigerian approach" is rabid corruption, murderous homophobia and hypocrisy.

Fuck you.

She would have been much better holding back this time round, but Tories never do that and fuck up their ambitions by going for the leadership too early (William Hague, for example)

I can't believe I miss John Major. Terribly.

[quote]You think men pretend to be women to get into women’s prisons to rape them.

Yes. Why wouldn't they? Do you have that much faith in the integrity of convicted criminals?

[quote]You think men pretend to be women to get into women’s prisons to rape them. I don’t think you should be calling anyone “weird.”

Have you really not heard of Isla Bryson? The man called Adam Graham who was charged with 2 rapes and then "identified" as a woman, changed his name to Isla Bryson and joined a beauty course at a local college where women had to undress to apply fake tan to each other. The women who complained about feeling uncomfortable around him were told not to complain as it was transphobic.

During "Isla's" criminal trial his defence barrister argued "she" couldn't have raped the 2 vulnerable women as "she" was a woman "herself". When Bryson was found guilty "she" was put into a women's prison despite the public outcry, and then ultimately moved.

There are numerous males who pretend to be women to game the criminal justice system in Britain alone. Read up on the lovely "Tiffany Scott".

Badenoch has made it clear she doesn't support repeating the Gender Recognition Act or removing "Gender Reassignment" as a protected characteristic from the Equality Act. She's said that men are abusing ideology and that this affects "genuine" trans people. She supports amending the Equality Act to ensure sex means biological sex, not legal sex.

It is sad that so many gay men can't look at Isla Bryson and Tiffany Scott and say "These are violent men and not vulnerable trans women" and just level abuse at those who question the ideology.

No, but I do have faith in the recommendations of experts in criminology and rehabilitation, and there's none of those here. Also, please link to case of mtf trans prison rape.

This is an insignificant issue that has little to do with people's everyday lives, but it's dramatic, visual, and emotional. Great gateway drug for a desperate party to lure people into the conservative fold.

Isolated incidents are not a sound basis for policy. Should we conclude that mentally ill people are cannibals on the basis of Jeffrey Dahmer? Or that Republicans are rapists on the basis of Donald Trump?

[quote]No, but I do have faith in the recommendations of experts in criminology and rehabilitation, and there's none of those here. Also, please link to case of mtf trans prison rape.

Are you fucking mental? These men aren't fucking trans! No hormone treatment, no surgery, no attempt to change their legal status, no diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

She has no CV other than being a suck up to Michael Gove, who has no CV other than being a newspaper columnist. Are there no Tory politicians in the UK with any legitimate experience in the public or private sector? Spads moving up a shit-smeared ladder does not make for good governance.

[quote]Isolated incidents are not a sound basis for policy. Should we conclude that mentally ill people are cannibals on the basis of Jeffrey Dahmer? Or that Republicans are rapists on the basis of Donald Trump?

So fucking deluded again. YES, the Dahmer murders should have changed policy. They should have changed policy that police viewed victims of gay men more seriously, black victims and how they dealt with missing people.

[quote]This is an insignificant issue that has little to do with people's everyday lives

I'm sure that's a great comfort to the women who are locked up in prison cells with men.

[quote]I'm sure that's a great comfort to the women who are locked up in prison cells with men.

What has really damaged the trans rights movement in Britain is that no one was willing to distance themselves from the Isla Bryson case.

Had Stonewall said "of course a male rapist who only transitioned after being charged shouldn't be put into a woman's prison". But when their policy has been repeating TWAW over and over again they can't do that.

Many politicians have been left humiliated over gender policy, but Kemi Badenoch is not one of them.

They're put of power for at least a decade now anyway. Would have been somewhat nice to have a functional opposition though. Its been about 20 years since we had one.

I'll bet the farm that you give little more than a convenient shit about the day-to-day lives of female prisoners, r34.

The trans loons like R37 are the reason there's so much push back to "trans rights" and self ID.

R37, I know that women who wind up in prison are more likely to come from lower-income backgrounds, to be women of color and to have been sexually or physically abused.

Why do you have such a hard time finding any compassion for women locked up with rapists?

r36 Not sure we can take that as cast iron and for granted .Labour's win was a loveless win with wide but shallow support. There's already one poll putting the tories ahead of Labour Starmers win is not like Tony Blairs impregnable 1997 win. It was more a get the tories out election than we love the Labour Party. I think on balance the next UK general election will result in a hung parliament between Labour and Liberal Democrats and maybe the greens. But I'd have bet the house that a Convicted felony wouldn't be so much of a contenders to be Present against. Infact not even a candidate but there you go.

Not falling for your whataboutistm, r39. You prefer inflamed, sneering provocation over placid, equitable reason. We're also done.

A leader who called Brexit "the greatest ever vote of confidence in the project of the United Kingdom" and lists Margaret Thatcher as a personal hero.

From an outsider's perspective, this just screams of conservative party tokenism - look we have a black woman!

She'll gladly carry the water for the Conservatives and will get indignant and call people racist if they call her out for it.

She's going to be a disaster. She's against gay marriage, maternity pay (in at least its current form), is socially conservative in every way.

I'm sorry - but POC like this are almost always sociopaths who will throw their own people and gender under the bus if they can get more power. We've seen it time and time again.

She’s not homophobic and she’s completely right. They were making shit up and it backfired. They couldn’t attack what she actually was saying so they resorted to a personal attack and making up a statement that she never said. Trans ideology is not based on reality and that’s why these people are left with egg on their faces.

R22, please. You think people honestly expect Labour to sort out 14 years of Tory rule in 10 weeks? You’re not a serious person.

Labour has at least 18 months before people start holding them to account for anything they do.

You’re confusing the conservative media with an actual, viable electorate.

Any gay or lesbian that believes any right wing Tory is their friend is a fool. You are being used and you will be discarded as soon as you're no longer 'useful'.

R45 - actually that goes for anyone not white and rich.

[quote]he's against gay marriage, maternity pay (in at least its current form), is socially conservative in every way.

`Can you provide evidence of Badenoch being "against gay marriage"?

She's not opposed to maternity pay either, she questioned the impact on small businesses without coming up with any alternative solutions.

[quote]Any gay or lesbian that believes any right wing Tory is their friend is a fool. You are being used and you will be discarded as soon as you're no longer 'useful'.

Gay men and lesbians will be impacted in general by Farage policies but the idea our rights are at risk is ridiculous. They are completely settled now, as is abortion law. The only politicians in Britain who have an issue with gay and lesbian rights are the Islamists who promote themselves as left wing.

R47 You're so fucking naive. There's a wing of the Conservative Party - the 'New Conservatives' - Danny Kruger and his cronies - who are salivating at the prospect of reversing all the socially progressive policies since the 60s. Many current Shadow Cabinet Ministers have been cheering on Trump and MAGA. With the election of Badenoch the Tories will be chasing Reform's voters, not moving to the centre.

Wow R47 - listen to yourself. Gay rights and abortion is settled law? We Americans heard that a lot too.

She's said that maternity pay has gone too far - then she walks it back. Like every conservative politician - she says one thing, then denies it or says it was taken out of context.

Just say you're a conservative Tory.

[quote][R47] You're so fucking naive. There's a wing of the Conservative Party - the 'New Conservatives' - Danny Kruger and his cronies - who are salivating at the prospect of reversing all the socially progressive policies since the 60s. Many current Shadow Cabinet Ministers have been cheering on Trump and MAGA. With the election of Badenoch the Tories will be chasing Reform's voters, not moving to the centre.

Put your dick away and stop masturbating furiously at the fantasy of gay sex being made illegal.

[quote]Wow [R47] - listen to yourself. Gay rights and abortion is settled law? We Americans heard that a lot too.

We have a parliamentary democracy in the UK. How do you think any movement will manage to elect over 325 MPs on a manifesto commitment to abolish same sex marriage, make abortion illegal or remove parental rights?

In the last 5 years we've seen abortion and same sex marriage finally legalised in Northern Ireland and no major push to reverse the decisions, And abortion laws were liberalised further just 2 years ago under an 80 seat Tory majority government.

Well, she’s no Jasmine Crockett.

[quote]How do you pronounce her name?

Kemi Badenoch = Kemmy Baddy Knock. A recent 'Private Eye' cartoon had one person saying to another, 'I thought we'd already had a Bad Enoch.' Enoch Powell was the 60s Tory sacked for making an inflammatory speech against non-caucasian immigration. Nigel Farage is a great admirer of Enoch Powell.

This is who the Tories picked?????

[quote]And abortion laws were liberalised further just 2 years ago under an 80 seat Tory majority government.

And I forgot to mention the ban on protests outside abortion clinics, passed by the Conservative government Kemi Badenoch was a part of.

Hark at British Exceptionalist R50. Our first past the post system has a tendency to give governing parties thumping majorities. Tories - or a Tory/Reform coalition - get a big majority at a future GE and you may find you've got more than enough far right wing MPs to unravel all sorts of progressive legislation.

You're a naive simp.

[quote]Hark at British Exceptionalist [R50]. Our first past the post system has a tendency to give governing parties thumping majorities. Tories - or a Tory/Reform coalition - get a big majority at a future GE and you may find you've got more than enough far right wing MPs to unravel all sorts of progressive legislation.

Again, stop masturbating to a fantasy of gay sex being made illegal.

The only people supporting that in Britain are Islamists.

Is this iminent Islamist (UK Muslim population 6.5%) take-over of the UK in the room with you now?

Talk about wanking over a non-existent threat.

OP, what exactly is a Nigerian approach?

[quote] I'll bet the farm that you give little more than a convenient shit about the day-to-day lives of female prisoners

I say this all the time R37. I’ve never seen a single thread on the plight of women prisoners other than ones related to trans prisoners. The hypocrisy of the anti trans nut jobs to post about “caring about women” when they’re really exploiting women’s prisoners circumstances to make it seem like they have a shred of credibility, which it is obvious they don’t.

There was a thread on here a couple of years ago about women in (an American town I think?) that had been sexually assaulted by straight cis male cops while reporting abuse at their homes, and I believe it got all of 4 comments. The anti trans losers do not give a flying fuck about women in prison they just hate trans people. And what’s a commonality in anti trans people? It’s homophobia.

R59 is the way, the truth, and the light. No one comes to understanding and beating the shit out of DL's low IQ trolls except through her.

[quote]Is this iminent Islamist (UK Muslim population 6.5%) take-over of the UK in the room with you now?

Did I say that a Islamist takeover was likely? No. I said that the only people who support the repeal of gay rights in Britain are Islamists.

Yes 4 of them were elected after a repulsive sectarian campaign but, again for those at the back, to repeal legislation you need at least 325 MPs to vote for it, and that is not going to happen, whether they are Islamists or Christian conservatives.

So, again, stop fantasising about gay rights being removed in Britain.

Oh dear, Dawn Butler, the woman who claimed babies are born without a sex, has been having delusions again.

A Labour MP shared a social media post accusing Kemi Badenoch of representing “white supremacy in blackface” shortly before Mrs Badenoch was elected as the new Tory leader.

Dawn Butler appeared to endorse comments that also referred to Mrs Badenoch’s election as a “victory for racism”. The Brent East MP has since undone the repost and it is no longer on her profile on X, formerly Twitter.

The post she shared came from Nels Abbey, a London-based Nigerian journalist, and was headed: Warning: Seven rules for surviving a Kemi Badenoch victory.

It read: “Today the most prominent member of white supremacy’s black collaborator class (in Britain) is likely to be made leader of the Conservative Party. Here are some handy tips for surviving the immediate surge of Badenochism (i.e. white supremacy in blackface).

r19 Ha, if you say so. Absolutely no anti-Tory is remotely upset with this result. It's absolutely hilarious.

I can't see her ever being PM. I think the Tories will have a new leader by the next election.

She worked at McDonalds as a teenager, and stated that she “became working class”as a result. She is a spectacular idiot.

[quote]She worked at McDonalds as a teenager, and stated that she “became working class”as a result. She is a spectacular idiot.

What is the exact quote, with the context?

Is it that she went to a private school in Nigeria and had a comfortable life there, and when she moved to London to stay with a relative while she did her A-levels at the local college and worked at McDonalds to support herself?

It's fairly easy to interpret "I became working class" as "I had a middle class experience in Nigeria and then a working class experience in the UK".

Oh Lord, like the Trump Translators "What he really meant was..." we've now got a Kemi-Translator!

By the way she never makes gaffes. She always speaks perfectly. She said so herself.

R62 - I'm no fan of Badenoch, but Dawn Butler is ridiculous.

The most vicious attacks on Badenoch have come from other black people on the left of politics.

I don't know why Nesrine Malik moved to the UK as adult when she clearly hates the country.

She's great for Labour because she'll only run the Tories even further into the ground.

Maybe she and Candiace Owens can be BFFs.

Badenoch is nothing like Candace Owens.

Like most British Conservatives she's a social liberal who doesn't think the state should involve itself in people's private lives.

She believes in a smaller state like many Tories and thinks immigration has been too high, which is hardly a controversial view in the UK.

You're hilarious R72. Even under Cameron most Conservative MPs voted against marriage equality.

In a sign of Kemi's sage judgement - remember, she's infallible! - she's appointed infamously stupid, mathematically challenged, posh blonde bobblehead, Laura Trott, to be Education Secretary. Let the shit-show begin!

Oops, 'Shadow' Education Secretary. Force of habit.

[quote]In a sign of Kemi's sage judgement - remember, she's infallible! - she's appointed infamously stupid, mathematically challenged, posh blonde bobblehead, Laura Trott, to be Education Secretary. Let the shit-show begin!

What makes Laura Trott stupid or posh or a bubblehead? She went to her local secondary school and then Oxford.

Not much difference in your insults as the ones thrown at Angela Raynor.

She has appointed the truly evil Priti Patel as shadow Foreign Secretary. Pandering to the lunatic fringe.

Priti Patel - who previously had to resign over undisclosed meetings with Israeli officials - is made Foreign Secretary! Oh, FFS!

It's just the same old turdulent mediocrities from the fag end of the Boris/Truss/Sunak regimes, who survived the GE, being reshuffled. So much for a fresh start.

I want to see how our little Tory is going to defend her appointing the "Populist Gobshite" as shadow justice secretary. You have 60 seconds with no deviation, whataboutism or blaming Labour.

She said there was 'whiff of impropriety' about Jenrick... and she's gone and made him Justice Secretary.

Still, as Kemi's keen on telling everyone, she's always right about everything, so I'm sure it'll be just fine!

[quote] I want to see how our little Tory is going to defend her appointing the "Populist Gobshite" as shadow justice secretary. You have 60 seconds with no deviation, whataboutism or blaming Labour.

Jenrick is an appalling choice for justice secretary. Apparently he turned down several other positions. Giving him a position where he gets to obsess about yhe ECHR is really poor judgment.

There, see?

And calling me a Tory is really not an insult when I’ve never voted Tory in a general election.

[quote]judgment

Ah, American pretending to be British then.

Being accused of being a Tory AND American. How will I survive this.

Farage - currently whooping it up with Trump and MAGA at his final re-election rallies - and our brand new Shadow Foreign Secretary, Dame Priti Patel enjoying a good old-fashioned knees up together at the 2023 Tory Party conference.

But yeah, a nice harmless 'socially liberal' government-in-waiting. Nothing to see here, folks!

R36 stop talking daft, labour have only been in power for about three months and already the backlash has started. Its a bit too soon to start talking about at least a decade.

Waking up to Chris 'The Gulp' Philp as the new Shadow Home Secretary. Truly, a shadow cabinet of 'all the talents'...

What next? Helen Whateley for Defence?

Massively telling that the two standard bearers for vaguely socially liberal 'One Nation' Toryism - Cleverly and Tugendhat - have been excluded from Bad Enoch's Shadow Cabinet. I don't think there could be a clearer signal for the direction of travel of the Tories.

Reform Lite it is!

[quote] Massively telling that the two standard bearers for vaguely socially liberal 'One Nation' Toryism - Cleverly and Tugendhat - have been excluded from Bad Enoch's Shadow Cabinet. I don't think there could be a clearer signal for the direction of travel of the Tories.

Except they haven’t been excluded - they both said they wouldn’t take up a role in the shadow cabinet.

A shame Tom isn’t chairing a select committee where his experience would be welcome.

And why would they not want to serve in her shadow cabinet? A couple of weeks ago they were running to lead the party - they clearly wanted to be at the sharp end of politics. They've suddenly decided they just want to devote themselves to constituency matters? They don't want to be in her shadow cabinet because they don't agree with where she wants to take the party.

As I've said before, you are naive beyond belief. But go on, cheerlead for the unpleasant, charmless, over-rated Badenoch. We'll see where we're at in 18 months time.