Martha Stewart new Netflix documentary

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She promoted the hell out of this. I wonder why she now hates it.

I watched it last night. I rather enjoyed it….seems like she didn’t have such a charmed life after all.

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R4- Chubby Contessa mind your own beeswax.

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Very Faye Dunaway voicemail. But she still makes me laugh.

I loved it - despite what you think of her she was genius

I guess we know now why Alexis turned out to be such a BITCH.

I agree with some of Martha's feedback. Soundtrack was atrocious.

It was a good documentary but she comes across as totally unlikeable. Cold. Self centered. I do believe all that stock BS was just that BS. She didn't deserve it. But still, unlikeable.

I think the director underplayed how prison transformed her. I was glad to hear her say she hated the live studio format,. though. I adored Martha Stewart Living in the 90's, especially all the guests. I wish there were more full episodes to watch somewhere.

I enjoyed it immensely.

Martha is an OG.

Where does the fat old hag live now? CT? Westchester?

She lives in Bedford, NY and Bar Harbor, ME

I’m making a pie large enough to place and bake all the documentary’s producers inside of it. I’ve scheduled my calendar to not sleep for 8 days and nights to knead the dough and the producers just right and enough, and then some. 😈

I thought the documentary was excellent. Certainly more revealing about her life than anything before.

Do they cover her prison days?

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She's a tough one.

God if the ages were shifted Faye would have been amazing in a Martha biopic.

It’s simply superb.

This looks great! Can't wait to see it and it'll be in my thread watcher now to remind me.

I thought it was quite good and I ended up admiring her- tough, no self pity and apologizing for herself. It’s cliche, but if she were a man- you get it.

Oh and more proof that Comey is a real shit and quite clearly cannot abide powerful successful women.

Martha created something great from nothing. She didn't start out a rich, bloated mess like Ina. On one hand, she's loved and respected for her standards and teaching skills, while simutaneously loathed for her perfectionism and shark like acumen. You can't expect a person to be good at all things. And yes, Martha is a victim of the double standard. Would she have been indicted, had she been a man?

"Critiquing a teacup handle for my own company was considered a bad thing. I consider it a good thing. That would never have gotten in our catalog before."

"What knife are you using to cut those? Well, isn't that a stupid knife? Why, why would you use such a small knife to cut a big orange? Do you know how fast a big knife cuts? Okay, you know, don't get that on film because I don't know what to do anymore. You use a big knife to cut oranges. You have to pay attention and be efficient."

I SAID MERLOT!

"I mean it was a pretty, terrible time. Listen, here's this girI from a family of eight, living in Nutley, New Jersey, modestly. She gets a good idea, builds it into something really fine and profits from it. That was my story, basically. And then, falls in a hole. I had to climb out of a fucking hole!

It wasn't just that Martha was a woman. It's that Martha was a woman who did business in an area which reminds people of major psychological trauma in the household. People projected their Mommy issues on her, whether they knew it or not.

I thought it was great. The building of her empire was almost dizzying as was her downfall. I think the Cybill Shepherd TV movie suggested she was having a lesbian relationship with the best friend who testified against her.

She couldn’t totally control a documentary about her???-Bitch must be slipping or have already slipped. Looking forward to Obit.

She is so pissed - She’s voting for Trump!

Everyone needs a good copper pot!!!

When I ever-so-briefly met Martha at the Telluride Film Festival where this documentary premiered last month I mentioned I had already seen the film. “Was I too honest?”, she asked.

See Martha and you will get the answer.

"I hate those last scenes, hate it" sounds like reverse psychology to get you to watch the entire thing right up until the end. I think she is actually promoting it.

I know American people are found this hard to believe but not many of us over here in Britain are aware of this woman.

So knowing nothing about her I went in kind of blind and watch this program and I will say it does its job and it really does show a genuine side to this person however what an absolutely awful unlikable person she is!

Bravo on her for having such a great life, but thank God she Stayed in America

Awful over egotistical vain woman. She needs to look up the word "Garish" that's very underused in America.

New York Times review.

[quote] It wasn't just that Martha was a woman. It's that Martha was a woman who did business in an area which reminds people of major psychological trauma in the household. People projected their Mommy issues on her, whether they knew it or not

You know, I never thought about it like that but you're right. Coming from a home that did very little in the way of homemaking and had few expectations about it, I find Martha's content fun and creative. It doesn't drudge up bad memories for me. For others, they loathe it.

I did hate when the documentary tried to make it out that most of her hate came from men. That might've been true as far as the corporations she was working with, but a lot of the criticisms and negative press were coming from women. All criticisms I've heard of her over the years have come from women. They don't like attractive or pretty women who choose to use their education or intelligence for homemaking skills.

I judge her for cheating on her honeymoon, it wasn't just a romantic kiss. I'm sure they found a dark corner and fucked.

R36-you are so right-this bitch is chief manipulator.

I read the book Just Desserts, an unauthorized biography, it was basically a hit piece on Martha. Her ex husband was a manipulative piece of shit and deserved to get cheated on his honeymoon.

Cunts attract Cunts.

^ describing the mechanics behind scissoring.

[QUOTE]over egotistical vain woman

That's essentially what I thought when I read her critiques. Plus control freak. Except for the one about being portrayed as a lonely old woman, they sound like flimsy objections

Martha spent 3.5% of her billion dollar fortune on a NYC triplex for that sour daughter of hers. Can you imagine? I can't think of anything more undeserved.

r46 Why wouldn't she buy Alexis an apartment that aligns with her (Martha's) net worth?

She IS a lonely old woman. She burned many bridges and has no lasting relationships. She only has employees.

In fact, it was on DL that someone wrote years ago about meeting her or having friends that knew her. He said she was "lonely as hell but the bitch made her life look fabulous". Or something to that extent.

She's good with beautiful objects, but people she cannot understand.

[QUOTE]She IS a lonely old woman. She burned many bridges and has no lasting relationships. She only has employees.

That's why I said it wasn't a flimsy objection like the others. Superficial is probably a better word. It hit home for her.

Martha herself doesn't even live in a $35 million property, R47. Why should her betch daughter who hasn't done a single thing in her life other than pout and talk shit about her mother get to. Perhaps Martha was trying to make up for something? It's the only justification I can come up with. I'm sure little Lexi wouldn't survived just fine in a $3.5 million apartment.

Time for Fall foliage!

Her bitch daughter gets to live in a luxury apartment because that's how her mother decided to spend her money.

Her mommy is rich and yours isn't. Deal with it.

Mar isn’t lonely-she’ll always have Snoop…

R48 = Ina Garten with Jeffrey and her parade of gay male friends.

R52 = Bitch

Is her daughter in it? Her daughter is something else.

I don't know whether she has justified grievances and trauma from being her kid or she's just a spoiled, ungrateful brat.

That's rich bitch to you, R55.

R54 Ina is more autistic than Martha.

R56, no one else is really interviewed. There are VO's including Alexis but no one really sits down to talk in front of the camera except Martha.

LOL...Martha has her coterie of fags, too.

R59 - that's probably for the best. Alexis is just supremely unlikable - she comes off as haughty, pretentious and bitchy.

I'd hate to have a daughter like her.

R37, that was the whole point of the hatred. Martha projected a cold, steely perfection so when she had her downfall, it was jumped on by the media as well as the public. She was certainly a victim of her own image. In the end, it had nothing to do with her innocence or guilt. I think the only good thing about that Cybill Shepherd bio was at the very end where Martha's career is in shambles. She wanders into this Country Fair and everyone swarms around her, inviting her to judge pie contests, to see their quilts, etc. These people were inspired by her and that's probably closer to reality than anything else in that movie.

I've been around her a few times due to work and I found her to be completely unpretentious and what-you-see-is-what-you-get. She's exactly the same person on and off camera.

I bet Martha can get some crips to shoot whoever made this.

R63 - I think she's more self-aware after the reputation she developed - plus she's much older and established now.

I bet she was difficult in the 80's and 90's when she was building her 'brand' - and some of that is understandable, some of it was probably her being just impossible to be around.

R12, you can watch the old show with Roku on demand.

I miss that format too. It was by far the most useful way to get her ideas out there outside of her early books.

R37 How Very DARE you, when Britains contribution to this genre was Fanny Cradock? (DLers Google this kitchen cunt-ogress if you are fortunate enough to have never heard of her!)

The Brits have a lot to answer for...dreary Delia Smith for starters. The super annoying Jamie Oliver. And, the ghastly Gordon Ramsey.

But, we adore Nigella. And, Mary Berry even though she's reportedly a shrew in real life.

Do a subject search here on DL. There are *9* threads about Fanny Cradock. Icon Status.

I was in the audience for one "Martha Stewart Show." She gave us some godawful Chinatown cakes store-bought (I didn't taste), and then ran out of audience "parting gifts" (I didn't get one).

Less than impressive episode.

[quote]I judge her for cheating on her honeymoon, it wasn't just a romantic kiss. I'm sure they found a dark corner and fucked.

I don't judge her. But you know Martha got a boner in Il Duomo on Easter Eve with the music, the art, the color red. She dragged that Irishman out to the courtyard and defiled him up against a wall. Jesus wasn't the only one coming that night in Florence.

Watching it right now and I find her to be a VERY fascinating person. I knew nothing about her going into it.

Apparently her ex husband is furious about this documentary. He's remarried for a third time (he divorced the little flower floozy) to a woman 30 years younger, a CEO who posted a statement on her Facebook page defending him.

The new wife is crazier and homelier than Martha.

[quote] That's essentially what I thought when I read her critiques. Plus control freak. Except for the one about being portrayed as a lonely old woman, they sound like flimsy objections

I mean, it makes complete sense she would be that way considering her father, her childhood and the fact that she had to play with the big boys.

Martha sr. said that, in hindsight, she didn't hug her daughter enough when she was a child.

I tried watching it but I didn't want to spend any time with Martha. I skip 10 minutes and tried again. Nope. I skipped 20 more minutes and then watched again. Nope. I don't want to watch it. The thing is, I don't mind Martha all that much, I mean I don't like her and find her to be a snotty bitch but she could be amusing about it. But the entire energy of this documentary seems to be - she is a miserable cunt. I got an unfair vibe from it.

R75, interesting that she and Ina both had distant parents, although I gather that Ina's mom was Beth from Ordinary People.

BTW, this is Martha on WWHL on the distance between she and Ina. Snoop says "Martha don't fall out with people."

"I you want to be happy for one year, get married. If you want to be happy for ten years, get a dog. If you want a lifetime of happiness, start a garden."

She was so cold in the interview segments, like she didn't want to be there.

[quote]I know American people are found this hard to believe but not many of us over here in Britain are aware of this woman.

So many Americans think that American celebrities who are superstars in America are all superstars the world over. Martha Stewart and Oprah, for example are not nearly as famous outside the US.

I think she's getting old and can't keep up any pretenses. Hence her curt interview clips.

R81, not that poster but its true. So many people in music are famous in America but not worldwide.

R81 And, the reverse is true. Pop stars do well else where but not in the US. Robbie Willliams, Scissor Sisters and Cilla Black.

[quote]Oh and more proof that Comey is a real shit and quite clearly cannot abide powerful successful women.

I loved the part where Martha's publicist (?) called Comey "a fucking sanctomonious twat."

[quote]Martha spent 3.5% of her billion dollar fortune on a NYC triplex for that sour daughter of hers. Can you imagine? I can't think of anything more undeserved.

It's too bad that instead of Alexis, Martha didn't have a gay son. They would've gotten along wonderfully.

R86 He'd also be posting on DL, calling all women cunts and posting about his suicidal thoughts from crippling loneliness.

r67 I am adding the word "ogress" to my vocabulary. Thank you!

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[quote] I know American people are found this hard to believe but not many of us over here in Britain are aware of this woman.

Oh, dear, and none of us believed that Martha was famous in Britain unlike Oprah.

Much better to be a huge star in the US and unknown everywhere else than the reverse. The money is way, way bigger.

[quote]r41 = [R36]-you are so right-this bitch is chief manipulator.

[quote]—B. Crocker

Cram it, Betty.

And yet you were able to identify those two women, r81. That makes the American assumption that our famous people are famous everywhere seem true. You could put a gun to my head and I wouldn't be able to name Belgium's version of Oprah.

I'm doing just fine, r91!

R88 💋

r93 I said that some American superstars are not superstars in the rest of the world. Their names and images may be known, but they're not all that famous. This is just a fact.

Johnny Carson vacationed in Europe every summer and he loved it because nobody in any of the European countries he visited had any idea who the fuck he was.

Martha calling her husband a piece of shit for having affairs and then it’s brought up that she had an affair before he ever did, she says that it was nothing. This is after admitting to kissing another man on her honeymoon. It was nothing. She really lives in a fantasy land. No self-awareness.

Her relationship with her father reminds me of Margaret Thatcher. Her father saw her as himself and doted on her.

Martha said that her husband liked rough sex - which she also enjoyed. Wow.

What’s with all these women who speak like Martha in the doc?

“Andy betrayed me on our pro-por-tee.”

James Comey gets trashed in the documentary. Yes, THAT James Comey.

Martha saying good, that bitch at the NY Post who wrote awful things about me is dead. My daughter fainted, poor child. You can’t make this shit up. Martha is a Disney villainess.

Woof her husband Andy lost his looks quickly after they married. I guess money talks if he was attracting all those women.

The scenes of her around her property is where she looks her age that outfit did her no favors her legs looked frail

I didn’t know she dated that strange guy for 15 years

She seems like a very lonely person. Like most of us, I guess. I like her a lot.

James Comey sports a lot of eyeliner just like Vance. What’s with these freaks?

[quote] The scenes of her around her property is where she looks her age that outfit did her no favors her legs looked frail

She’s 83, hon. You sound like a moron.

People were irritated by Martha because she’s anal retentive and we’ve all experienced those people. I remember Julia Child being on her show and Martha almost had a stroke over Julia spilling things.

It's a nutty world when we say pejoratively that a woman "looks her age" and "is getting old"......

WHEN SHE'S 83, FERGAWDSAKES!

When would Martha actually BE old and forgiven for looking her age---at 95?!

But DO NOT tell me that Martha Stewart is not known outside the US!!

In Google Search, type in "Is Martha Stewart known in....?" and fill in the rest with a country or continent. "England" will bring up that she has a Wedgwood product. "Asia" will bring up that she has expanded into China. "Australia" results in naming a woman entrepreneur known as "the Australian Martha Stewart."

Martha is on the official Botswana government Facebook, endorsing a native product. Hungary? She was known for a bit for dating the Hungarian billionaire developer of Microsoft Office.

France? Need you ask?

Sorry, but Martha Stewart is NOT our lifestyle Kylie Minogue.

As for any comparison to the late and still inimitable Johnny Carson, there is none.

Carson did late-night television, period. No books (Martha has over 100!); no products; no "message" of aspirations beyond a punchline to appeal to an audience; no nothing else. There was no "Carson Empire." No "Carson Media."

So of course Johnny could walk the streets of Europe relatively incognito.

Love these slams:

The film feels as cold and curated as her color-coordinated kitchen drawers.

a documentary about a woman who wants to control her image down to the last leaf on the centerpiece.

Yep. Mommy issues

So Martha Stewart isn't all cutesy cuddly. So TF what? Are male business moguls expected to be?

"Curated"? Yeah, the point's being? Gee, a public personality takes care of her image, aka, her means of earning a living. The horror. THE HORROR.

Stewart admitted that after she went to prison, she lost her moxie. She said although it was called "camp cupcake", it was hell, including being locked in solitary for touching an officer.

And Stewart was/is huge in Japan. It makes sense because so many of her techniques and philosophies are compatible with the culture. It also clearly spawned people like Marie Kondo.

It's interesting that we've all been placed as having some stake in Martha's being good or evil, fulfilled or a wanton capitalist. Wonder why that is.

r110 an actual British person said Martha isn't all that famous in Britain. People in other countries know of her as an American celebrity, but she's not a huge star and influence like she is in the US.

Martha is also still a superstar in S. Korea. Interesting that her friendship with Snoop reignited her star there as they are LA rap/hip hop crazy.

Holiday entertaining with Martha Stewart.

Well, Mary (Berry) to them, r117!

R81, Martha Stewart may not be as famous in Europe but she is unquestionably very, very famous in the Asian countries, including Australia. Of course, some DLers can't imagine Asia being part of the world.

Martha Stewart really should have starred in Chess!

“Who needs a dream, who needs ambition?”

“Who’d be the fool in my position?”

Once I had dreams, now they’re obsessions”

[quote] Of course, some DLers can't imagine Asia being part of the world.

Project much?

Ana Gasteyer's Martha on SNL was always funny.

OP is being misleading. She actually doesn't hate it, overall she likes it. She just disagrees with what made the final edit.

I was surprised how much I liked it. Jack Paar used to make fun of Nutley, NJ--I imagined that it was a pretty average suburb that thought it was better than the other average suburbs. I can picture Martha coming from a place like that, as I've known others who epitomized that kind of background. I liked her saltiness-that was quite unexpected.

She's always been seen as a control freak. "Serial Mom" was an homage of sorts to her. She does seem to have loosened up a bit since prison, although it sounded like she was a bit "bossy" there. . She probably also doesn't have the energy she once did as she's gotten older.

She hasn't exactly been on the trail of a cure for cancer with her career, but I have to respect what she accomplished and how she understood the culture. There probably are women who wanted something a bit "more" out of their lives that she was able to deliver.

I feel bad for her daughter---she didn't get much love and also inherited neither parent's looks. I was curious what Martha's siblings' were like--only a couple of them commented.

Alexis refused to let her talk about them in the documentary, but I'll bet Martha is the greatest grandmother in the world.

"I cooked them the best gourmet meals I could conjure up," she told PEOPLE in 2023. She loves teaching them all about baking, etiquette and arts and crafts — in typical Martha Stewart fashion. I’ve taken them to the most unusual places in the world, and they’re only 12 and 13."

[quote] She's a tough one.

She's a Pole, R20. 'Nuf said.

"We survive Nazis, we survive Communists, we tough people."

r105 again, I just saw a clip of an interview with Martha and she said that she hated the scenes of her outside looking like a lonely old woman limping around, she said she had recently had surgery. So I stand corrected.

Martha's coolness and bitchiness turned me off over the years. But this film moved me greatly. She clearly carries a lot of wounds and sorrows. She seems rigid, bitter, and angry. AND, despite all that, she has kept on going, creating, connecting, being her unassailable self. I felt a lot of compassion, respect and love for her, watching this. Life can be really hard, even with all the money in the world. I hope she keeps on embracing imperfection, and softening her stalwart heart. You go Martha.

Martha, Martha, Martha!

R128: She even has a stuffed cabbage recipe, although I don't think she has one for haluski.

I don't blame Martha for being cold and harsh. She worked on Wall Street at a time when women were not there, I cannot imagine what that would have been like.

I didn’t give her much thought before, but I really liked the documentary and admire what she has done with her life. It is remarkable.

I knew someone who worked for her in NYC. She was late to work one day and Martha asked her why. Her air conditioner had broken and she had trouble sleeping. Martha sent over a new A/C. When the girl quit about a year later Martha asked her to return the A/C.

r135, that aligns with what we see in the documentary. Totally something Martha would do.

How and when did she learn all her skills? From the intricacies of gardening to cooking anything and everything and then all the crafts. To become an expert in all areas and run an empire is impressive. Did she ever sleep?

The doc gets into that. Basically, the father whipped the kids into being good gardeners because it was the only way they could afford food.

I will say though, in Martha's defense, the A/C girl loved working for her. She had to relocate for family reasons. I've forgotten exactly why. Though she loved working there she acknowledged that Martha was a big, high riding bitch. She had no sympathy for coworkers who quit or were shocked because Martha was a bitch. Her attitude was how could you watch her for just five minutes and not know she was a bitch.

rich hubby (aggressive in bed with big feet) bought run down turkey hill and they fixed it up.

being blond and pretty has its advantages

R139, trust me, some stupid people believe curated television images without any eye/ear to nuance

Anyone who can tat lace while her Beef Bourguignon is cooking is a controlling bitch and you should know it.

5 month euro honeymoon. who can do that?

Fuck you bitches.

Andy's family was loaded.

Andy was pretty hot when they got together. Went downhill fast, though.

The first half of the documentary reminded me of the charming flair she shared with millions of people eager to learn her homemaking tips and tricks. When I lived on a tight budget not far from Bedford, NY in the late 1980s, I followed Martha’s directions to create a natural Christmas wreath of fir tree branches and red berries that I gathered while walking in the woods. That walk and wreath lifted my spirits.

To go from a high point in a billionaire’s bio to see the FBI’s James Comey––of all ramrod straight people––nail Martha for telling a lie and put her in prison, was jarring. In the last part of the documentary, from any angle, it seems a light went out of her eyes and never returned.

I give Martha credit for forging ahead, though it meant enduring a vulgar comedy roast and reverting to vulgarity in kind. So au courant.

[quote]. rich hubby (aggressive in bed with big feet)

This is why I come here. Never change DL.

R147, I think the light in her eyes would have returned if she were allowed to talk about her grandkids. In the People Magazine article, she calls them "utterly fantastic".

[quote]I give Martha credit for forging ahead, though it meant enduring a vulgar comedy roast and reverting to vulgarity in kind. So au courant.

Those roasts were hilarious.

I’m not a huge fan but I enjoyed the documentary. Really respect how she was able to grow her empire.

It wasn’t clear about whether she actually lied to the DOJ about the insider trading or if she just took her broker’s advice—but it was obvious the DOJ (and Comey of Hillary’s email fame) was looking to score a celebrity so he could be in the spotlight

I found the jail part crazy. Part hollywood yet also worse than we were led to believe. That part about Martha touching the prison guard and then being placed into confinement? Wow. It makes me wonder if she was actually downplaying what she actually did. Like how she was called out for cheating on her first husband before he cheated on her.

R152 Even though she is a bitch and a liar, I don't think she is stupid enough to willfully violate prison rules (unless it was something like sneaking food into her cell.) In the documentary she said she was complimenting the guards' appearance. I wonder if she placed her hand on one of the guards' arms in a familiar manner or something like that, patting their arm. Then again that doesn't seem like something uptight Martha would do.

I enjoyed it. I didn't get the impression she is lonely, but I can't imagine she's willing to engage in the compromises and negotiation that a LTR requires. I wish there had been more --any?--time devoted to her daughter. Curious about her.

R153, that's how she portrayed it but that's exactly what makes me think she probably lost her temper. Like how we saw in the video where she lost her temper with the news anchor who was asking her all those questions about the charges against her.

Martha was probably always a live close by visit often gal. She wants a man. Just not in her house.

[quote] I wonder if she placed her hand on one of the guards' arms in a familiar manner or something like that, patting their arm. Then again that doesn't seem like something uptight Martha would do.

She was in prison and maybe just was lonely and felt it was okay to touch the guard in a kind way.

I like the Big Martha cooking episodes. I'm guessing the death of Big Martha was a big blow to Martha Stewart.

She is intense. This doc was fascinating. Would like to se/hear more from Alexis.

You can tell that Alexis resents the very air Martha breathes.

Okay Alexis your mom's a bitch but you've been carried by her your whole life. Just enjoy being a Manhattan socialite and STFU.

Who was the NY Post reporter who she much hated?

some dead bitch.

Which dead bitch?

I don’t recall seeing pics of her with any boyfriends over the years-(not counting snoop) Maybe she is Asexual or do all straight men avoid her?

[quote] So Martha Stewart isn't all cutesy cuddly. So TF what? Are male business moguls expected to be?

Men aren’t cunty. There’s a difference. Women are usually emotionally charged and make everything personal. Male bosses don’t. That’s why women don’t like working for women. There’s a pettiness when it comes to women. Men fight with fists, women with words.

Alexis is a piece of work. She was horrible on Howard Stern. She hates her mother and turns everything into a fight.

Alexis called Howard a pedophile because he likes women shaven, something he had been talking about prior. Alexis went out of her way to embarrass Martha, saying that she would take a shit on the toilet with the door open.

Tim Gunn did not enjoy watching the interaction between Martha and Alexis. He basically said it was dysfunctional.

R152, Martha had a way of leaving stuff out. It was believable that she was innocent of insider trading until her friend outed her. You could tell Martha was lying. Martha going off about her husband cheating when she was doing the same and saying her cheating meant nothing but his did - sorry but Martha is a liar. She reminds me of Trump.

Martha’s relationship with her father speaks volumes. He really fucked with all their heads. At least she was upfront about him and didn’t turn him into a saint, something that people with her personality usually do, especially as she said she was his favorite.

I love when she says she was hot, and all this other shit, about why her husband shouldn’t have wanted to cheat on her. She really does think highly of herself.

The letters she wrote her husband sound like something Glenn Close’s character in Fatal Attraction would write and send.

Her saying that she liked rough sex - Martha TMI.

Martha trashing the director because she doesn’t like how her life turned out - hilarious! Bitch, this is you, this is his you are!

R170, that's exactly why I think she must have lost her temper with the guard which caused her to go into confinement. I don't think she "just" touched the guard's arm.

What a load of stereotype twaddle, r166. Have you heard of Donald J. Trump? Or Elon Musk? Margaret Thatcher?

Henry VIII? His daughter Elizabeth I?

There were some uncomfortable moments where she twitches and glitches during the interview segments.

[quote]The letters she wrote her husband sound like something Glenn Close’s character in Fatal Attraction would write and send.

Her husband got a restraining order against her during their divorce. She kept showing up at his house and had foul-mouthed screaming fits in the front yard. She would refer to her ex-assistant who became her husband's mistress as "that little whore."

It was all very Neely O'Hara/Valley Of the Dolls.

I didn't expect to like it - but I thought it was great - warts and all.

She should be happy with it.

Yet again, gay men fancy themselves experts on women's thoughts, feelings, and behavior. Surprise, surprise!

I never paid any attention to Martha Stewart. That was just another stupid straight girl thing in a sea of stupid straight girl things. Although I did notice when she went to jail, and I think the partnership with Snoop Dogg is odd, but whatever.

But I liked the movie.

r177 An 83 year old occasionally twitching and glitching? Shocking.

I’ve always thought Martha was similar to Trump.One has a pussy the other is a pussy…

R182, Martha really did build an empire and she was very smart and talented. Both Trump and Martha believe their own lies. But Trump is a global threat and Martha isn't. So Martha wins!

Did not watch Doc.-What does she mean by rough sex? Getting laid on the chopping block.

giant penis

Martha says her husband was "aggressive" in bed . . . and that she liked it. Which fits. She has always given off Dom vibes. I bet she owns the biggest (home-made, of course) strap-on

Does aggressive mean rough? I just thought she meant he was highly sexual and forward and different from the college boys she may have dated.

Martha had a few quick fucks. Andy was a total pussyhound, constantly fucking around, then fucks Martha's flower gal in their house and runs off to marry her. This is not apples to apples infidelity. It rattled her badly. Her desperate letters to Andy that were read in the doc were hard to hear. It sounded like she nearly went over the edge.

[quote] Yet again, gay men fancy themselves experts on women's thoughts, feelings, and behavior. Surprise, surprise!

We call a spade a spade. Deal.

It’s obvious that Martha isn’t emotionally well. I applaud the documentary for not being some feminist puff piece. It showed her as a very flawed damaged human being. She even admitted that she doesn’t do feelings.

R188, I applaud anyone who would put up with Martha’s shit for as long as he did.

Didn’t her mom live well into her 90s. She’ll probably live well into her 90s as well. Why didn’t they show her siblings, just the voices. I bet they’re all blue collar and fat.

R188, something in all those letters really stuck with me. She said that he no longer felt that their house that they built together was his home so it shouldn't bother him if she burns it down.

One of her friends said that during the height of Martha, Inc. she probably had more than her fair share of boyfriends but no one ever knew about them.

Martha was an undercover ho. Get that dick girl!

I found it really well done and I do think it gives insight to this spectacular complicated visionary. Met Martha while co producing an event in Miami she hosted, she was charming and quite nice. Although a relative of mine had a friend whose mother was her accountant and just dreaded the 4am phone calls. Well she was CEO of her empire so that’s a given I guess.

I was surprised that Martha and everyone else who spoke about were so open about their loathing for the 2005– 2012 show. I always thought it felt forced, but it ran for a long time for a show they all hated.

No mention of Martha’s Apprentice though. Would have liked to hear some tea there.

R196, I really liked it. It showed a very different side to her and really started taking the frost off of her.

You're not a good fit.

[quote] “I said to [director] R.J., 'An essential part of the film is that you play rap music,'” Stewart said. “Dr. Dre will probably score it, or Snoop. Or Fredwreck. I said, 'I want that music.' And then he gets some lousy classical score in there, which has nothing to do with me.”

Martha’s actual main grievance. I came away from this loving her

The show was the brainchild of Marc Burnett, who is not viewed well for his role in Trump's resurgence and is a total fundie.

My father - yes, my father - an athletic apparel designer and toxically masculine man, loved Martha Stewart. Loved her.

He would constantly say something I have never forgotten: Oprah built a career on women's pain, and Martha built a career on women's strength.

Take it how you will.

Reminds me of someone who said to me that they admire women who use their feminine powers to build and achieve, but detest women who use their feminine powers to entrap, control, and manipulate people.

Reminds me of people, pretty much always men, who REALLY hate to see women be successful. Or, strong. Or, tough.

And, frankly, in order to succeed and achieve and build, you DO have to do some trapping, controlling and manipulating to get shit done.

Being sweet and kind and nice accomplishes nothing. Maybe elected "Miss Congeniality". That's about it.

I'm glad I did well outside of your worldview, r203. It sounds cynical and lonely.

R204 And, you're the pissy loon bitter that Jake Shears didn't give you a blow job in 2008. We both need to go to bed, especially since you're 40something with a job and a family and can't be up late on a school night.

P r305 is not playing around.

Just take the L and quit assuming the US is the world. You're still spewing ad hominems. Bonne soirée.

[quote] Oprah built a career on women's pain, and Martha built a career on women's strength.

This is such a brilliant way of putting it. Your dad sounds bright!

[quote] My father - yes, my father - an athletic apparel designer and toxically masculine man, loved Martha Stewart.

Masculine clothing designer? Hmm...

I’m enjoying reading all the excuses you folks make for this sick woman. Please continue.

I could never do anything Martha does nor would I be interested. I was hooked on her show though. I used to love how she would get flabbergasted because her celebrity guests couldn't keep up with her in the kitchen. I mean who doesn't know how to whip up some meringue? It was fascinating.

On the Mark Burnett show, it was a genuine example of her personality, IMO. She struck me as that stern, unbending teacher you had in elementary school who wanted you to do it perfectly but in the end really cared for her students.

On a Conan episode, he was in her professional kitchen and asked Conan to get some cookie cutters out of a drawer. He couldn't find them and she told him not to get them messed up in the drawer. Conan said "that makes you crazy". Martha said yes so Conan did it even more and Martha laughed.

I'm going to use direct examples from my life to prove that I am not projecting my own experience on Martha!

Demon Bethenny Frankel pestered Martha when she was on Bethenny’s failed talk show for the reason she didn’t pick her on The Apprentice, and Martha told her she was a pest.

R214 - that was SO satisfying. Bethenny had been making digs at Martha over that show for DECADES. I believe Martha.

In terms of Martha's parents not being very warm - that was VERY common among her parents' generation. Particularly that both parents were 2nd generation and their parents were immigrants from Poland and struggled with the language and integrating into the US.

They had FIVE kids and persevered during the depression. Both parents worked with 5 kids- they were busy just staying alive and having food on the table. That was an extremely common experience.

Bethenny cannot ever let things go. Martha shut her down appropriately.

Martha was, when she first got into the book (and later tv) game, she was perfectly positioned to get attention from the NY publishing world.

The husband was in the business already, and he and Martha (mostly her, of course) had done what so many lower-level executives in NYC were, or wanted to be, doing at that time, buying an old pile north of the city to turn into a showplace.

One thing Martha doesn’t get enough credit for is really changing how cooking, gardening, and entertaining books looked. She was really one off the first to have so many well-styled, glossy color pictures in those type of books. The images were as important as the content and served to sell the lifestyle as much as the technique.

These were books that thought you how to do something only. They offered a context in which that thing was just a part. Not only were you learning how to prepare a crown roast but what role it could play in a whole dinner scene.

She is a great American story, complete with rise and fall and redemption and all of the dramas that surround that.

Martha, about 15 years ago, partnered with a national builder to style the look of a series of large housing developments. One of these was about a mile from my house and out of the blue one day I got a call from her office.

Several years earlier, I had purchased some hazelnut trees inoculated with truffle spores that after five or so years, would hopefully start to produce truffles. Her office had been given my number by the company we bought them from as one of the first that were sold and while she was nearby she wanted to come and look at ours, with the goal of buying them to transplant on her new property she had just bought in Katonah, NY. I assume she wanted larger trees which were nearer to their productive age.

She stopped by after her ribbon cutting and was absolutely lovely, but all business. She showed great interest in my farm and the shiitake mushroom production we ran at that time there. I was very impressed by her deep knowledge of fungi and you could tell she had done her research. After about thirty minutes she said she was very interested and would be in touch when she got back to New York.

After about a week I got a call from her personally thanking us for the visit but unfortunately she had found out that the climate in Katonah wasn’t quite warm enough for the truffles and would not be buying them.

I’ve always been a fan, or at least an admirer of her skill, but meeting her in a business sense gave me a new appreciation for her general ability and work ethic.

Martha whipping it out on the Justin Bieber Roast. She went there.

Colin's big dick smashing a pussy

Martha not a fan of Ryan Reynolds-wouldn’t want to tango with this older woman.

OMG she sliced and diced Bethenny. You could tell Martha was hurting her feelings and the Martha genuinely disliked her. Oh my. That was one of the best clips I've seen in a while.

I just wish she would have admitted what advantages she had with her marriage to her wealthy husband, his involvement in the publishing world and living in Westport did to escalate her business.

She was smart to marry rich, then to promote her catering business among business execs in CT, and have her husband have her do catered events for book launches.

And I don't believe for a second that she didn't get into some hanky panky when she worked on Wall Street - she talks about it briefly "what happened in the back of those cabs - but I don't want to talk about that".

She's used her beauty and connections just as much as her smarts. They make it sound like it was an organic self-made billionaire - and it never is. She was literally on 3rd base - with a lot of money to fall back on with her husband's career and tons of connections.

Her husband helped in a HUGE WAY to make her who she is - particularly navigating the publishing world. She acts like she did it all on her own.

IMO, Martha was pretty easy on Bethenney, calling her a "pest." That's not so bad. Bethenney is just ultra-sensitive and probably was still "smarting" from not winning on The Apprentice.

Is she riding the rapper she hangs out with?

R223 - a 'pest' is a very short and accurately dismissive way of saying she wasn't right for her organization. Martha needs to look to see if someone would fit into her world and environment.

Honestly - that loss was one of the best things for Bethenny. She really needs to be her own boss as it seems she falls out with every single person she comes into contact with.

Cybill Shepherd in MARTHA, INC. is a good thing.

So what happened to her publicly traded company? Does it still exist, but she does not own any of it?

Can you still buy Martha Stewart stuff but she doesn’t get a piece of it?

Also, they don’t talk about her main show that went on for years. Just the regular Martha Stewart show with her in the Kitchen. Isn’t that still on? Or is it just the one with Snoop.

And also are she and Snoop boinking? She seems to be a borderline slut.

She is 83 years old, R227, and spends her time on projects and appearances and personal endorsements.

Not to mention the strict upkeep of her properties!

R227 Martha is a nun compared to the average gay man. A few affairs while married and a few long term relationships after divorce sound pretty normal.

but Greg is a better cook.

R229 - Did you know that gullible is the only word not in the dictionary? Go look it up!

Women never divulge how many men they've actually been with. The 'innocent' kiss with a stranger on her HONEYMOON in Italy gives you an idea that if it's good for her, she's open to have or use sex.

Oh brother what are you, an incel R231?

A woman had an affair! A WOMAN!! She's for the streets!

R232 - calm down - the poster said she was a 'nun' compared to gay men. Bullshit.

Women lie about their sexual histories. You're an idiot to think they don't.

Does she fly?

Her food looks good but sometimes she uses ingredients that I've never heard of. Snob.

Like what? Avocado?

I never use this word but she C*^% for the ages.

Homekeeping seems to be a very confronting topic for many of you that brings up a lot of trauma. You may not be able to see it in your own comments, but we certainly can.

Also, Martha mentioned wealth is something that she found attractive. She stayed married to Andy for 30 years. There are many more efficient ways to grift.

I was raised in the 1970s when most women even those who graduated from top universities moved quickly into the role of homemaker with very few and far between having lifelong careers. That Martha Stewart was able to break through that and as a broker and successful business person is incredibly brave and inspiring. I know first hand how hard that can be as I worked at Bear Stearns on the trading floor in the early 1980s where there was quite literally just two or three women on a floor with hundreds of men. And the women had to act like men to survive. Martha Stewart didn't change who she was to be successful as a business person.

Anyone else get the impression that in her younger days Martha was probably a huge freak in the sack? I don't just mean her on-camera confession in the Netflix doc that she liked how aggressive her husband was with her sexually-- which of itself is a fairly unusual thing for a woman in her 80s to say-- it's her whole vibe. People with an intense need to control and micro-manage tend to have a few skeletons in their closet. (I'm sure Martha's are beautifully organized.)

R240, I get BDSM vibes from her.

Her appearances with Conan were always delightful but this has some camp value to add to the thread. Martha had just gotten out of jail and Conan makes some jokes about it but at the end they bob for apples and she ties Conan's hands. She does it VERY well.

Control freaks are usually bad in bed in my experience

If you're a top, they are. ;)

I’ve read that she comes across as cold and unlikable in the documentary, but that’s how she presents herself all the time. She has no warmth. During the Covid and Demic, she surround herself with acolytes and dependents. I think the reason is that there’s no person to challenge her. No husband, no lover ,no best friend, no relative.

R239 - we forget - and she purposefully leaves out - that her husband's father was a stockbroker and investment banker, remember? Don't think she walked in there in 1967 on her own and they just gave her a job without having some influence from her father-in-law?

The thing is - she looked for and used her opportunities, but so much of her success was reliant on her husband's family, his position in the publishing world, their contacts, etc.

She worked very hard - no doubt about it - but she was also an opportunist and had advantages very few people ever do. This whole "I'm self-made" description is bullshit - as it always is.

Isn't that the case with any supposed self-made success? There are always opportunities lurking in the background that aren't acknowledged.

Maybe an inheritance, an expensive education, someone footing the bill, etc.

I don't see what's so wrong about looking for a marriage that will boost your chances for overall success as a human. For some people, it's finding someone who's a good cattle farmer, for Martha it was social mobility. It's not like she was Melania or something.

She didn't purposefully leave it out though R246. Ive seen many interviews of her where she talks about him being a stockbroker and getting her involved. She also talks many times about her husband negotiating her first book deal.

R249 - but she really never gives her husband any credit.

Then she slams him for infidelity - which was wrong, particularly with her assistant - but in those letters when he said his house doesn't feel like his home anymore - I get it.

Imagine coming home from work and there are all of these assistants and workers, projects being worked on everywhere for photo shoots, pots and pans in the kitchen for test experiments.

And he knew about her affair (supposedly only one) when she worked on Wall Street. You have one affair - and another 'innocent kiss' with some stranger on your honeymoon - then bet there were a lot more men than what she's copping to.

Andy was supportive of her moves, but I don't think he was ready for or happy with how successful she was. Alexis seems to have paid for all of this more than anyone else.

Her husband fucked around on her constantly from the start, before they were even married. And they were swingers.

They had sex with other people she's just pissed he left her completely.

R239: She mentions her father-in-law's occupation.

R239, she not only mentioned it, she definitely noted the influence he had.

I watched it last night and I thought Martha came across as a hard, driven person who, because her upbringing, focused on her career when she couldn’t handle her personal life and how it was falling apart. Conflicted, she doesn’t seem to know if she’s happy, even though her lifestyle is enviable. There were obvious moments in which she wanted to, and could have, cried but couldn’t allow herself. Overall, and despite of her serious flaws, I felt empathy for her.

I thought it was a well made documentary. The choice of title and not showing anyone on screen in interviews except Martha is a bold one that serves to drive home the idea that this whole drama is the result of Martha being the sun in a universe of her own making and how that has placed Martha where she is today.

Bitch lives for controversy-hope she’s dead soon.

If she was “nice” she would have gotten chewed up and spit out by wall st.

Exactly...self made doesn't mean you can't/don't use other people on your climb up the ladder. In fact, that's an integral part of the process. Taking advantage of any and all opportunities.

Plus the documentary made it clear that she got into wall st, and eventually publishing because of her husband and his family.

She married up. Which is part of her brand. She mainstreamed “aspirational”. It was all part of her brand.

If she had been born to a wealthy family, the brand would have been something else.

If she had been born to a wealthy family, she wouldn't have developed the skills she did from her abusive, destitute father.

I'm sure Martha has pegged a man or two. At least ridden amazon style.

Lol R261. I love the sex trolls on DL. No matter the topic or person involved the thread will always revert back to sex.

Martha also made it clear in the documentary that she was totally seduced by the Stewart's money. The sister was driven to school in a Rolls Royce, he had a Mercedes and an American Express card. He sent her money so she could see him every week. She also noted, very amusingly, that she had no knowledge of the finer things because she ate olives with pimentos that came out of a jar.

I was into Martha before she got really popular. I got her books when she was a caterer and have the first issues of her magazine. I can hear these answers in her voice and her desire to MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER, which she is all about. So, of course she wants her critique out there!

It would have humanized her a bit if we could see her with her grandchildren. I think Martha would be a fantastic grandmother-- she doesn't have to do the nurturing thing, which very clearly is not one of her strengths, but she can teach them a lot.

Were all those photos AI? I can't believe there were pictures of Martha and Andrew attending 101 Dalmations. And that one of her naked in the bed was pretty provocative.

They were a young couple with a lot of money, I think they probably had the best cameras back then. They were also liberal and artistic and well traveled and probably just took a lot of photos.

R265: It's clear that her values and outlook preclude what has based for being "human" for the last 5 or 6 decades. She knows who she is and touchy-feely isn't part of it. She can connect, but as a fellow prisoner said, "in the beginning she seemed bossy". Apparently, Alexis didn't want the grandkids in the doc.

Alexis is such a sour little bitch. Yes, Martha was not the warmest or most affectionate mother but my god has she provided Alexis with a privileged like that 99% of the population can only dream of. There are millions of people who had difficult mothers but they never had millions of dollars or a luxurious life.

I wanted more of her teaching in prison. She didn’t have to do that.

I would have liked to hear more about that too, R270. The women interviewed in the film seemed to think highly of Martha.

Martha seemed to recognize that her fellow prisoners had aspirations and skills. I think that's the part of what made her successful as a lifestyle promoter. It wasn't entirely about her as a fancy lady from Westport.

Exactly, and I really love her relationship with KMart and why she chose to go with them.

They didn't cover her failed attempt at doing a version of The Apprentice, did they? I bet she required that.

Martha thrilled at Trump win-$$$$$$$

R274, Martha recently, and rather uncharacteristically, voiced her political opinion by endorsing Kamala Harris.

Speaking as someone of a very high net worth, not all people with millions in the bank are soulless.

I saw an old episode of a Martha show. Joan Rivers was the guest and Trump came up as a topic. You could tell Martha didn't like him.

Trump is everything Martha hates. She might share a certain hardness and drive but she never, at least publicly, indulges in vulgarity.

The simple fact that Trump loves gilding on EVERYTHING is enough for Martha to despise him, politics aside.

Trump is tacky and Martha is classy.

[quote] Exactly, and I really love her relationship with KMart and why she chose to go with them.

You’re likely to make more money selling low-cost stuff to the masses than you are selling expensive stuff to the elite.

R278, I agree but it was ostensibly off-brand for her at the time. I appreciate her comment that even people without lots if money have style and taste and want beautiful things.

KMart was a joke, even among discount stores, at that time.

Maybe so, but she outlasted them.

I remember when DL scourge Josh Kilmer-Purcell's husband Dr. Brent Ridge was Martha's resident gerontologist on her show. Until he got sacked.

You guys are really putting Martha on a pedestal.

I think when all is said and done it will be a net positive for Martha, no matter how much do people hate her because you hate things about your mothers/women.

l loved it. I love the story of her handsome father and how strict he was and how she says she’s just like him. I also liked the illustrated Loved the story about her trip to Florence and when she kissed a stranger in a cathedral. She really was a born leader and very talented. . I liked the prison segment where they show how she handled her days. The prisoners became fond of her. It was a very sympathetic portrait of her yet an honest one too. I think the part of the doc she hated was the scene where she’s wandering through her Turkey Hill gardens. She thought it made her look old and lonely. Even in her old age she is just as vain and mercurial .

I just watched a Martha video from the covid lockdown and she said that her rolling pin was the only thing that was good about her honeymoon. I wonder if Florence was going through her head when she said that.

R277 - Amen. Trump is vulgar, gilds everything and is crass. Martha is the exact opposite. She's been around him enough - she knows he's stupid and treats women like dirt.

Plus remember, Trump went after her HARD when she did the Apprentice. He regularly talked about the poor ratings and how he was so much better. There was no one's for that - and Martha remembers it.

I gasped so many times while watching.

My first gasp was when she said her father slapped her hard because she said she was going to marry Andy. He said "no, you aren't marrying him because he's a Jew." Then she said he was a bigot and impulsive but she still remembers the slap.

It's more brave than meets the eye to call your parents out like that.

She really didn't say much about mom but even though she had a good relationship with her dad, it didn't stop her from realizing what he was. Mom was a schoolteacher and you know that's where Martha got a lot of her skills.

I wonder if she held back because she feels like the public knows about Big Martha from her being on her shows.

Blonde women are always glorified for their beauty, more than any other group of women. Especially in documentaries like these. They kept calling her beautiful only because she was blonde.

Straight men are the ones getting bamboozled by blonde hair and big tits.

She even said she wasn't beautiful enough for tip tier modeling in the doc.

[quote] In terms of Martha's parents not being very warm - that was VERY common among her parents' generation. Particularly that both parents were 2nd generation and their parents were immigrants from Poland and struggled with the language and integrating into the US.

Oh, please. Get going, Pollyanna. You have no clue what you’re yapping about.

She said she was gorgeous.

She was attractive, not gorgeous or beautiful.

Pretty enough to model and make some money. She had that WASP-y blonde look. You can't say she wasn't attractive.

Being very pretty is sometimes a better advantage than being disarmingly beautiful, which can be unapproachable.

Trust me, it's no walk in the park being stunning.

Back when Matthew Shepard was murdered, there was a demonstration in front of the Plaza Hotel (for some reason) and quite a crowd showed up. It was a peaceful type of protest but traffic was halted all around. On 58th St. in front of the Paris theatre I noticed Martha behind the wheel of a big black SUV. She was stuck there. She didn't look upset and waited patiently until things got moving again. But I wondered why she was driving herself and if she had her driver tied up in the backseat because he was too slow.

After reading her unauthorized biography, it was plainly spelled out that Martha and her siblings adored their mother. She was self sacrificing to a fault.

Her father, on the other hand, was a spoiled only child who failed as an adult and not only did his own children have contentious relationships with him but family from his childhood despised him.

I'd hate to work for her but I like Martha...yeah, she's a bit cold but I did like seeing her interact with her mom. She clearly adored her mother and sought her approval. And, it was funny when Big Martha would get peeved at times when Little Martha would get a bit grand. Maybe peeved isn't the right word but you could tell Big Martha was just very simple and sensible and not that impressed by the la di dah fine living persona of her daughter.

Martha, Martha, Martha!

I had no idea that the late, beloved Kevin Aucoin did Martha as Veronica Lake. Wow.

Martha would’ve made a formidable Mother Superior back in the days of tough as nails nuns.

Andy's third wife is NOT HAVING IT:

[quote]She concluded the post by wishing “everyone, including Martha herself, the experience of loving and being loved deeply and fully, and the peace that comes from such a love.”

Wife #3 has first hand knowledge of nothing. Martha easily could have said far more about her marriage or presented it in a way that was more hurtful to him.

R37 You Brits might find it hard to believe but we don’t ponder what you are and are not aware of….

...nor do we care about the British barometer on garish when you have Jade Goody, Jessie Wallace, Katie Price, and that dull as fucking dishwater middle-of-the-road Delia Smith. I mean, have you seen her condescending interview on vegetarianism with dear Kate Bush. But thanks for Fanny. She taught Martha what not to do while inspiring drag queens for generations to come.

Third wives are always fucking cunts.

Andy's second marriage to her assistant seemed doomed from the start - just a messy and hurtful thing to get with her assistant who was living on the property. Secondly, she wasn't very attractive - which I'm sure cut Martha even deeper.

It feels like it was a purposeful move to blow up the marriage once and for all.

There are 2 sides to a divorce - Martha was not innocent and admitted to ONE affair - but I don't believe that was the only one.

When 2 people get divorced and the other person is completely silent and doing well while the other keeps talking and raging about it, trying to keep hurting the other one - then there were other problems.

Society wants to believe that men are always at fault in divorces - but rarely do men ever talk about the divorces. It's usually the woman that talks about it endlessly and goes for scorched earth approach to get sympathy and to 'clear their name'.

I wish she was more honest in accepting her side of the blame - turning their home into a business, being away with catering gigs which are usually on the weekends, etc. while he funded everything.

I read that unauthorized biography of Martha from the 90s, Just Desserts.

In the 70s, one of Martha’s close friends was talking to Martha about het divorce, and being lonely. Martha offered to have Andy fuck her if she wanted-“Andy is very well endowed.” The friends declined.

If you liked this documentary, you should read that book. Martha is a trip, and always horny.

[quote] She concluded the post by wishing “everyone, including Martha herself, the experience of loving and being loved deeply and fully, and the peace that comes from such a love.”

OK, third lady.

Note she didn't refute anything, only adding the "abusive" ad hominem with no substantiation. I'm sure she'd lose if she opened that discussion. I'd be very satisfied that nerves were hit if I was Martha.

I always had a sneaky suspicion that she was a cheese grater of a person and this documentary proves it. The grave sin of choosing a little knife over a big one is not worth talking to someone like they were the bottom of your shoe. If she can't handle a simple exchange with her fellow human, how she wasn't exposed way sooner is amazing. I vividly recall a Halloween episode back in the 90's where she pretended to cut herself and not one crew member offered help and that was very telling. I used to work in television and production knew how to care if they deserved it but we could also make life difficult.

I thought Martha was perfectly fine speaking to that woman. She was definitely upset because she felt the woman was using the wrong utensils but her tone and demeanor was "do it this way. doesn't that make more sense, isn't that easier". There was no name calling or yelling. She was stern but also trying to show her how to do it.

The marriage is certainly interesting because it sounds as if Martha was terrible to Andy but in the end, he wanted it to end, not her and she did all she could to try to hang on.

Andy's third (and younger than his eldest child) wife just demonstrates what I said above about Andy being a manipulative shit.

He likes pitbull women who do all the hard talking for him, who make him look kind by comparison. But make no mistake, he is all for it behind the scenes.

For example, he had no issue with Martha stiffing craftsmen and artisans on their wages. They would come to him to complain when Martha wouldn't pay them, and he would always back her up. Slimy behavior from two greedy cunts.

Martha is Trump with a pussy-just like Trump is Martha as a pussy.

R318 Well, no.

Martha is a SUCCESSFUL business person.

Trump couldn't even make it as a casino owner. His only talent is self promotion.

R317 - back her up? He probably didn't know the details of the projects Martha was working with them on and didn't want to get involved, so he deferred to Martha.

That's just sensible. He had a full time job as an executive leading up a publishing house. You think he had time to get into that petty shit?

What I like about Martha is that she is PRACTICAL. She is not a SNOB. She is classy, but not a classist- And I finally realized that she really is a TEACHER. I think her kindness to her jailmates was genuine. I think her attitude about K-Mart said alot- I loved that she felt that K-Mart's shoppers want beautiful things too.. And the best moment of that documentary was when some cunty interview was telling her your viewers/readers are going to feel about themselves because they cannot MAKE A CAKE LIKE THAT! She says-with no sarcasm/snobbery/irony-

"But they can dream about it!!"

And she meant it.

I like her. And Snoop? I like her even more!

^^ feel bad about^^

I am starting to fuck up every post I type! Fuck it-

How we love to beautify people who become our personal ideal and then cast them down when it is clear they are too much like us. In addition for justice to work everyone needs to be judged by the same standard. I watched the documentary last night not knowing much about her and came away outraged at the public's cruelty to her, saddened by how unjustly she was treated, and understanding of the losses she suffered on her way to success.

As a man though, I know how woman always seem to have to do so much more so much better in order to get the respect of a man who is allowed to be less performing and unconcerned about who he burns to achieve success. All double standards are dehumanizing and unjust.

If I remember correctly the scene in which Martha scolds an assistant for using a small knife to cut an orange instead of a large knife was taken from some footage shot just before Martha went to prison, so it's understandable that Martha would be a bit stressed. For what it's worth the woman cutting the orange could not have seemed less fazed by it all.

And Martha gave them the video tape I presume.

Her daughter is a somewhat amusing cunt who seems to have had the life force squeezed out of her in adolescence and she still hadn’t recovered. I thought it was hysterical that she called her mother Mothra instead of Martha.

It's really strange that a place so bitchy has such a big problem with Martha. It's like she had a vagina and does things that your Mom did to make you angry or something.

I think Martha is great. I'm also confused when DL gets cunty about terrific divas...who ACT JUST LIKE DLers!!!!

You would think it would be "lets make Martha our queen!" or "Patti LuPone should be President!!"

Instead, there's fawning over mediocrity like Ina "Fartin" Garten and Sutton Foster.

R326, apparently Alexis has a good relationship with her mother now. I have read that Alexis said that when she was growing up Martha made her wrap her own Christmas presents and that there was never any food in the house. Sounds like a case of the shoemaker's children going barefoot.

This video pretty much gets into all of it. Sounds like a Martha version of 70's and 80's parenting where Gen X kiddos were latchkey kids left to fend for themselves. Martha mortifying Alexis by not closing the door when she was in the shitter when people were around is hilarious.

I've never understood "door open" toilet users. Especially for poo.

That's shit that doesn't need shared with anyone. Ever.

I used to listen to the radio show Martha’s daughter cohosted. She is the most fascinatingly cold woman. Clearly smart and at times very funny but harsh in a way you almost have to respect. At some point she just up and decided she hated her cohost (Jenny Hutt), and dropped her on a dine. There’s an extremely awkward Today show interview with the two of them that reflects this.

What did Alexis do on her show---this is the first time anyone mentioned her having gainful employment.

She co-owned a gym in the Hamptons, owns some real estate in NYC, wrote the book, and her Sirius show was also on the Hallmark channel. And to be fair, from what I hear Alexis is doing her best to be a good Mom. I believe the stories around here that she was a bitch, but people are works in progress.

I also heard she was chummy with Josh Kilmer-Purcell when they met out of his husband's short gig with Martha.

Didn't Alexis also own a motel in the Hamptons?

Alexis has always struck me as someone like Sandra Bernhard, their personalities are built around being cooler and more worldly than practically everyone around them. Add to that her parents’ messy marriage and you get Alexis.

She obviously loves Martha. She not only went to every day of the trial but fainted when the guilty verdict was announced.

R336 - you'd faint too if your gravy train was going to the slammer for a while!

Just kidding - but it feels like Alexis is this rich only child who has been able to indulge in every petty grievance and was determined to make both of her parents pay for it.

I'm sure the tension in that home wasn't fun and being an only child was difficult, but a lot of people have had to deal with a lot more than that.

Part of me has some sympathy - she probably didn't get a lot of love and affection and both of her parents were busy with their careers. It's one thing for Martha to say she didn't get much love and support - but she also had 5 siblings to interact with. Alexis was all alone in that house.

It would be hard to reconcile growing up with more than enough money and not having your parents' attention due to their careers and other pursuits. They had 1 child and couldn't make her feel loved and wanted.

As much as I want to call her ungrateful and spoiled - that feeling of not being wanted or cared to stays with you forever. Worse yet - if Martha now shows all this love and attention to her grandchildren - that would be really fucking hard to take.

Martha was kind of a shit mother, but she provided Alexis with the lifestyle of a Duchess. Not a bad trade off, and one that most people would gladly settle for.

but most would not be public figures.

Didn’t Alexis and Martha both dare Sam Waksal, the one who ran ImClone, the company that got Martha tossed in the slammer?

*both DATE

R340, Alexis dated him first then handed her sloppy seconds off to “Mothra.” I always thought that was one of the more scandalous parts of their story.

Bitch voted dump

Is there anyone named Alexis who isn’t a high-riding bitch?

There's a special kind of ick for people who have fucked members of the same family. I know some brag about it but....

Ewwwwww.

No R344, but I’ve known a few low-riding ones named Abuick

Thank you to everyone that contributed to this thread. It's been my most successful in a LONG time.

OP will be sending out personal thank you notes later today.

Reminds me of one of my favorites jokes:

Why doesn't the Junior League have orgies?

They have no idea who to send the thank you notes to.

350+ posts and nobody has mentioned the little Ode to Martha in the 1995 gay classic film "Jeffrey."

Darius (Brian Batt) and Sterling (Patrick Stewart) are an adorable NY couple separated by what - 20 or 25 years? When Jeffrey (Steven Wright) stops for a visit, Martha Stewart comes up in the course of conversation and Darius asks "Who's Martha Stewart?" Sterling clutches his pearls briefly and explains: "She writes picture books about gracious living. Martha says that everything will be all right as long as you can make a nice dried floral arrangement. I WORSHIP her." Patrick Stewart was priceless as an aging queen at the height of the AIDS era, and it meant a great deal that an actor of his caliber would take on a gay role and put so much of himself into it.

So, yes. By 1995, Martha was an established household name and brand among the gay dinner party set. Many of us held her in the highest regard - she showed us a path to creatively transcend expense with style and thoughtful design.

It's Steven Weber, not Steven Wright.

[quote]350+ posts and nobody has mentioned the little Ode to Martha in the 1995 gay classic film "Jeffrey."

Never seen it and don't give a fuck.

R343 Martha would never vote for Trump.

I think she avoided her whole Apprentice debacle in the doc to protect herself from Trump's Flying Monkeys.

Bless your heart r354

Well, R52, that's fine. Now go back to your MAGA-4-Millennials meeting. Weren't you supposed to bring the avocado toast?

Some of us have reason to look back on those days with horror, yet built the community you whippersnappers take for granted every day.

R352 and r354 were previously blocked for their cuntery.

Sorry - r354 is me. I meant r355.

Get it TOGETHER r358!

Can't hear ya, sugar! Have the day you deserve!

It's funny that she didn't say a word about that cunt Ina. But then, what is there to say.

R361 Some waspy Martha shade a la ‘she’s a robust woman’ would’ve been fun.

R362, One of the things that surprised me most about the documentary is that Martha came from a very humble background. Dad was a salesman (not a good one according to Martha) and mom was a teacher. They had six kids and so little money so that's why her dad was into gardening and farming, to feed the family and also to barter out their goods. Ina's dad was a Dr. and her mom was a dietician and she often said she had a lot of material things growing up.

Martha has always been up front about the fact that she's from a working class Polish family from NJ. She's never tried to erase her background, I admire that about her.

Unlike many Dataloungers who grew up poor and working class but pretend they're rich WASPs.

Lol love the DL snooty new money elders shade R364

Finally saw Netflix Doc. she looks great for 83 and has had no surgeries! She attributes her youthful appearance to sleeping upside down - like all vampire bats.

[quote]Martha created something great from nothing. She didn't start out a rich, bloated mess like Ina. On one hand, she's loved and respected for her standards and teaching skills, while simutaneously loathed for her perfectionism and shark like acumen. You can't expect a person to be good at all things.

I agree with R25, Martha Stewart did create something from nothing. And she made the point that ordinary things don't have to be done slapdash and without quality. She found beauty in everyday things: why have kitchen shelves stacked with Ikea plates that are functional but dirt common?

If you're going to be spending a lot of time cooking, why not have the tools for it that look and work beautifully (as esoteric as some of her recipes were, most were far from it; and why she spoke of the beauty and utility of a good polished copper pot, she wasn't advocating a whole pantry filled with electronic devices nor did she advocate specialized tools that had but one hyper-specific use and cost a fortune. She could have afforded the most luxe kitchen things in the world, but more than the most expensive batteries de cuisine, she showed simple enamel ware or white ironstone or depression glass -- stuff that could be bought for nothing until her taste made them sought after. As many and as big and as expensive as her houses got to be, they were all essentially simple houses, more cozy than Masters of the Universe grand.

And that had to grow out of some self-awareness that even though there was a market for what she did, there was also of fine line of not being too pompous and grand. As badly as she may have concealed it at times, the imperious side of her perfection was checked by what, on TV, was a sublimely casual, easy perfection. Finding the beauty in a simple dish made well, served on a nice antique platter than cost a fiver at a tag sale. I think she was acutely aware of both her faults and how they might have played badly on TV. She was unusually adept at explaining a process in simple steps that made her audience think, 'I can do that,' and that is a genuinely rare skill that she had down better than anyone.

The curious thing to me about Martha Stewart is that balancing act she did: of a sometimes brittle perfectionist against the easy charm of her on-air, in-print presentations. She did change that world in that the old Better Homes & Gardens was designed to be as easy as slipping on some old shoes, and about as exciting or able to stimulate taste buds to want something. The quality of studio photography was awesome, the accompanying text always exactly right and in the perfect, subtly persuasive tone. If you're to have a house, why not try to make it beautiful and easy looking? If you're to make a dinner, why not make something simple but a little different and focus on the taste and experience? Ostensibly it was all very easy. In reality, I have much respect for her many talents. She was aware that her manner was the equivalent of resting bitch face, a little stiff and Connecticunty, a lot demanding, and having to temper that fully aware of how it would be perceived. That she was able to manage it all, to put a good (and I think sincerely good) face on things when she had another stone cold perfectionist side is not an easy balance. Yet she was brilliant at it, able to show just a hint of her Dark Martha, the prickly, perfectionist. But she suppressed under an unflappable sense of ease at any challenge and a superb talent to impart information, to break down the steps of anything (from a towering croquembouche, FFS, to how to save a few bucks by sharpening your own garden tools.)

I don't think I should have liked to have worked for Martha, or think that she was always a joy to be around, but I do have quite a lot of admiration for what she accomplished.

*and while she spoke of the

I thought it was good, if predictable. I learned a lot about her I didn't know.

I was surprised a subset of women hated her so much just because she was marketing "perfection" and they, as "normal" women didn't have the time and money. I mean, Martha Stewart living was niche. It didn't demand that everyday women buy it or pay attention; so the vitriol sort of stunned me. It was an hobby/interest thing like anything else.

Martha really was a Leo's Leo. Lol.

[quote]the vitriol sort of stunned me.

You new around here?

Not bad for a girl from the Meadowlands.

Typical Polack.

Typical Cunt.

Her show was very informative and I learned a lot. I remember one show in particular where she instructed us on home made Kotex.