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Why did NY'ers vote for Giuliani

After witnessing his reprehensible speech at the Trump rally, remind us again why NY'ers thought this champion of inbreeding and his racist policies were a good fit for NYC?

Thanks for giving this festering sore a national platform.

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by Anonymousreply 53October 30, 2024 6:27 AM

He's always been an A-hole. He would lead the NY Police in a protest against Dinkins--across the Brooklyn Bridge.

He barely won. The only thing that saved his reputation was 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 1October 28, 2024 10:36 PM

I didn’t vote for him!

by Anonymousreply 2October 28, 2024 10:39 PM

Bro why the fuck would you make a thread for someone who hasn’t held elected office in 20 years. wtf doors his behavior now have to do with his policies in early aughts New York

by Anonymousreply 3October 28, 2024 10:41 PM

After the Democrats nearly bankrupt NYC in the '70s and '80s, he and the Republicans took power in the '90s and really cleaned up the city and made it safer...

Which continued through the 2000s, until the Democrats took back control in the 2010s and once again made it worse and unsafe by the 2020s but this time also added illegal immigrants to the mix.

by Anonymousreply 4October 28, 2024 10:43 PM

Oh look. Another Trump thread.

by Anonymousreply 5October 28, 2024 10:47 PM

Because of his great physical beauty, of course.

by Anonymousreply 6October 28, 2024 10:52 PM

I never voted for Giuliani or any other Republican for mayor.

by Anonymousreply 7October 28, 2024 10:55 PM

He went after the Italian mob and it is only in retrospect that we now know it was on behalf of the Russian mob.

by Anonymousreply 8October 28, 2024 11:14 PM

Hate him if you will. I'm ambivalent. To say he wasn't good fro NYC is revisionist crap.

by Anonymousreply 9October 28, 2024 11:15 PM

He has obviously changed. Back in the day he was a rock star. He took on - and took down - the mob, which was a big deal in nyc. He cleaned up the city, saved Broadway. Overall the quality of life in NYC improved greatly - and of course, there was 9/11.

My husband and I had the opportunity to meet and chat with him briefly - and he was very friendly, had a great sense of humor and even took a fondness for our little dog. We've been mortified to see his transformation.

by Anonymousreply 10October 29, 2024 12:03 AM

He made NYC relatively safe and a great place to live in. And yes he locked up POC criminals.

by Anonymousreply 11October 29, 2024 12:04 AM

Giuliani, Trump.... NYC breeds only the best!

by Anonymousreply 12October 29, 2024 12:07 AM

[quote]POC criminals

Thank you for not mincing words

by Anonymousreply 13October 29, 2024 12:08 AM

Oh and Eric Adams

by Anonymousreply 14October 29, 2024 12:08 AM

Crimes was falling nationwide after 1991 so I'm hesitant to give him or his police commissioner full credit for "cleaning up the city". If you want to talk about smooth-brained revisionist crap then there's a great example, r9.

by Anonymousreply 15October 29, 2024 12:08 AM

Oh and Tammany Hall

by Anonymousreply 16October 29, 2024 12:09 AM

Oh and Ed Koch

by Anonymousreply 17October 29, 2024 12:10 AM

I’ll give Bratton the credit along with demographic trends and Giuliani fired him.

by Anonymousreply 18October 29, 2024 12:10 AM

Remember when he was on SNL after 9/11 and Tina Fey begged him to stay on as mayor even though he was term-limited (which didn't stop Bloomberg)?

by Anonymousreply 19October 29, 2024 12:13 AM

Tina was never the sharpest knife in the drawer.

by Anonymousreply 20October 29, 2024 2:23 AM

R10 I think a lot of older whites people resent the browning of America once they become drunks or addicts. And Giuliani is definitely a drunk.

by Anonymousreply 21October 29, 2024 2:27 AM

There has to already be a baked-in racism present.

by Anonymousreply 22October 29, 2024 3:13 AM

[Quote] he and the Republicans took power in the '90s and really cleaned up the city and made it safer...

He didn’t make NYC, the Clinton economy boom made NYC safer. Crime tracks with the economy, nothing special happened in NYC that didn’t happen to all the east coast cities—flush with cash, lots of development and dropping crime. Giuliani just took credit for it all.

He made his thug policemen focus on minority communities. He’s always been a racist

by Anonymousreply 23October 29, 2024 3:36 AM

[Quote] My husband and I had the opportunity to meet and chat with him briefly - and he was very friendly, had a great sense of humor and even took a fondness for our little dog.

His best friends were a gay couple, with whom he stayed when he separated from his wife. But, when he went all in the GOP, he had to pretend he disliked gays and that they didn’t deserve marriage rights

by Anonymousreply 24October 29, 2024 3:39 AM

[Quote] He made NYC relatively safe and a great place to live in. And yes he locked up POC criminals.

He took credit for the decreasing crime that occurred all over the US, not just in NYC. He focused on POC criminals and ignored white ones. Lots of POCs went to jail for smoking pot. Even though whites used at higher rates, they rarely went to jail

by Anonymousreply 25October 29, 2024 3:42 AM

[quote] He didn’t make NYC, the Clinton economy boom made NYC safer.

That’s absolute bullshit and not how it works.

by Anonymousreply 26October 29, 2024 3:52 AM

He was a very good Mayor and was quite gay friendly and not insane. I think being America’s Mayor turned him nutty. or maybe he became an alcoholic and has dementia. He’s a pathetic Trump ass kisser now. What an end.

by Anonymousreply 27October 29, 2024 3:54 AM

R26 right because why didn’t cities like Chicago, Detroit, and New Orleans get safer.

by Anonymousreply 28October 29, 2024 4:47 AM

Because they didn’t have a crystal ball?

by Anonymousreply 29October 29, 2024 5:25 AM

R29 put a joke book on your wish list for Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 30October 29, 2024 5:28 AM

I think the moral rot had been growing for a long time, but agree with R27.

It takes zoning laws and enforcement of city regulations (which killed nightlife, so it wasnt all roses) and proper use of Clinton economy budget to make what happened in the 90's happen in NY.

by Anonymousreply 31October 29, 2024 5:37 AM

He turned the sex shops and strip joints into Disneyland - fun for the whole family. Fucker.

by Anonymousreply 32October 29, 2024 6:14 AM

His opponents - David Dinkins and that household name Ruth Wyler Messinger

by Anonymousreply 33October 29, 2024 6:43 AM

Crime statistics began gradually lowering under Mayor Dinkins.

Whites were eager to move on from the first black mayor and voted for this 👇

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by Anonymousreply 34October 29, 2024 6:49 AM

New York State made abortion legal prior to Roe v Wade so crime started dropping there a couple years before the rest of the country, and yes under Dinkins.

FWIW the city is safer now than it was under Giuliani, but people got used to how safe it was under Bloomberg and retroactively attribute it to marble mouth.

by Anonymousreply 35October 29, 2024 9:30 AM

[quote] He was a very good Mayor and was quite gay friendly and not insane.

That’s revisionist history. Remember how crazy he got on a radio talk show with some guy who owned (or wanted to own) a ferret? Or how Rudy tried to prevent the Brooklyn Museum from showing the “Piss Christ” art piece?

by Anonymousreply 36October 29, 2024 10:13 AM

Must be fun living on a world with no shades of gray.

by Anonymousreply 37October 29, 2024 11:03 AM

At some point, syphilis takes over the brain.

by Anonymousreply 38October 29, 2024 11:10 AM

Keith Olbermann, today's Countdown, "Stories I promised not to tell", is about Rudy."

C-Block (33:20) THINGS I PROMISED NOT TO TELL: If Trump ruined Giuliani's life, why was Rudy at Trump's self-immolation at Madison Square Garden? Well among other things I believe Rudy now lives in a hallway at Penn Station so it was a quick commute. Plus, you may not have known but Rudy's been nuts since at least the mid-90's, as I'll tell you

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by Anonymousreply 39October 29, 2024 11:11 AM

Is it going crazy because you object to an image of Christ covered in urine? I don’t recall the ferret story. Since Rudy is so insane now it is possible the crazy was there all along though.

by Anonymousreply 40October 29, 2024 11:12 AM

If it’s a literal question, look to NYC in late 1993. Mayor David Dinkins was facing an unhappy city, with a high crime rate, filth everywhere and high unemployment* in the early 90s (*this is why Bill Clinton’s approval rating was shit during 1993-94 as well)

Dinkins had only narrowly defeated Giuliani in ‘89 to win, and Giuliani kept on campaigning and attacking Dinkins afterward. He only narrowly defeated Dinkins in Nov ‘93.

by Anonymousreply 41October 29, 2024 11:14 AM

[quote] Is it going crazy because you object to an image of Christ covered in urine?

That’s not crazy, but trying to cut off funding to the museum because you disagree with a piece of art is kinda crazy.

by Anonymousreply 42October 29, 2024 12:30 PM

The artist used traditional materials to depict a black Madonna, the material included animal dung.

He did not "cover christ in piss". That was Andre Serrano who photographed a crucifix in a glass of beer that looks like urine.

by Anonymousreply 43October 29, 2024 12:47 PM

R32 Today YIMBYs and corporate interests argue that they got rid of the filth and crime that plagued Times Square district. Sure, but they basically got rid of almost everything historic and cultural that made Times Square unique. There is a false narrative that the only choices was the Times Square squalor and filth of the 1980s and the Disney-fication we have today. They preserved a couple of facades from historic buildings but that was basically it. There were a multitude of options the city could have taken to make TS cleaner and safer without destroying all the uniqueness. And the movie theaters are gone with the exception of two. Today it appeals only to tourists. NY residents only go near the area if they are attending a Broadway play.

by Anonymousreply 44October 29, 2024 1:03 PM

I just remember Tina Fey saying she loved this guy on SNL after 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 45October 29, 2024 11:27 PM

I remember reading on this thread with only 45 replies how Tina Fey said she loved this guy on SNL after 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 46October 30, 2024 12:27 AM

As Hilary once said, "He was fine before 9/11.... then got weird!

by Anonymousreply 47October 30, 2024 12:34 AM

He was competent during the weeks following the NYC 9/11 terror crisis. That's as far as it went. He didn't screw the pooch if that is the criteria one needs to apply. Most seem to ignore the fact that he was probably responsible for hundred of first responder deaths by placing NYC emergency center in the Word Trade Center complex despite the prior terrorist bombing there in 1993 and against the advice of the city council and the NYPD and the FDNY, causing failed communication to firefighters and police to evacuate the building because of imminent collapse.

Afterwards Giuliani shamelessly capitalized on 9/11, being prominent high fee security consultant and board member on numerous commercial entities, and making lucrative speeches in the years following. As Joe Biden said about Giuliani in 2007: "Three things he mentions in a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11.

I'm sure he made at least $20-30 million before he tried to hooked his wagon to Trump's rising prominence. How much of that many is nested in offshore shell companies?

by Anonymousreply 48October 30, 2024 1:08 AM

Don’t forget he also shipped for Purdue pharma

by Anonymousreply 49October 30, 2024 3:19 AM

Giuliani was just a shameless opportunist who won the lottery by being mayor of NYC at just the right time, thus getting the opportunity of a lifetime!

Timing is everything!

by Anonymousreply 50October 30, 2024 3:37 AM

I skipped over all the other posts just to say that I thought Giuliani was brilliant after 9/11. I don't live in New York but watching this guy step in, take charge, and actually LEAD in those first few tumultuous days made me love the guy! Fast forward to the Trump debacle and I couldn't believe the transformation. What a clown.

by Anonymousreply 51October 30, 2024 3:54 AM

[quote]As Joe Biden said about Giuliani in 2007: "Three things he mentions in a sentence: a noun and a verb and 9/11.

Was Biden ever that clever? Good for him!!

by Anonymousreply 52October 30, 2024 5:29 AM

Yes it was creative, but seedy NY couldn't go on any longer, and exhausted voters put him in office. SF should pay attention here, because post-COVID SF reminds me a lot of this. People are fed up and it's a matter of time before it goes GOP or independent because they've run out of alternatives.

by Anonymousreply 53October 30, 2024 6:27 AM
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