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12 days until the election. How are you feeling, my fellow DLers?

Mainly, how are you coping with the anxiety/dread/anticipation/etc?

I'm traveling to a conference and trying to finish up a major work project, and I'm trying my best to avoid the news. But it's getting very, very difficult to deal with the overwhelming angst. It's hard to focus on anything right now.

Are you doing okay?

by Anonymousreply 603November 4, 2024 5:46 PM

I'm can't wait for the six geese a laying to arrive.

by Anonymousreply 1October 24, 2024 9:51 PM

My goose feels cooked but it may just be exhaustion with the run up to the big day.

by Anonymousreply 2October 24, 2024 9:56 PM

I meant to add I've already mailed in my ballot for Kamala.

by Anonymousreply 3October 24, 2024 9:57 PM

I wish I could go into a cryosleep and wake up on the 6th. And I'm not even American.

by Anonymousreply 4October 24, 2024 10:00 PM

I am looking forward to the day when I go imto my texts or emails and not being scolded by Sherrod Brown or Colin Allred or some other politician for not giving them more of my money than I've already donated to them.

by Anonymousreply 5October 24, 2024 10:03 PM

We shouldn't even be here. Trump should have never have been allowed to run. Hopefully democracy wins out. The other result is crushing.

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by Anonymousreply 6October 24, 2024 10:04 PM

It's utterly obscene that he is allowed to run.

We're goose-stepping our way into fascism.

by Anonymousreply 7October 24, 2024 10:06 PM

She's going to lose. The only plus I see is watching all the danger hair gals have another breakdown.

by Anonymousreply 8October 24, 2024 10:07 PM

It feels like I'm waiting for the result of a biopsy. My upper back is so tense and achy. I believe she will win PA, MI, WI and NV. I'm confident but nauseous.

by Anonymousreply 9October 24, 2024 10:32 PM

To quote DL fave Roxane Gay: I am EXHAUSTED.

by Anonymousreply 10October 24, 2024 10:41 PM

Anxious, holding my breath, and hoping this isn't a repeat of 2016 because this time our futures — including the planet's — are on the ballot.

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by Anonymousreply 11October 24, 2024 10:48 PM

fucking FREAKY DEAKY!!!

by Anonymousreply 12October 24, 2024 10:50 PM

I’d be consumed with anxiety if I weren’t recovering from a Covid shot that gave me flu like symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 13October 24, 2024 10:53 PM

Let's just say, I have an appointment on Monday to get on an SSRI. That's where I'm at with all this, personally. Need a little assist. And if Trump wins, I 100% will not be able to hack it without an antidepressant in my system for the next four years.

by Anonymousreply 14October 24, 2024 10:54 PM

I need a XANAX prescription

by Anonymousreply 15October 24, 2024 11:14 PM

Stressed?

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by Anonymousreply 16October 24, 2024 11:14 PM

I made the mistake of smoking a little weed in 2020 on election night.

I thought I was going to have an anxiety attack.

by Anonymousreply 17October 24, 2024 11:15 PM

I'm trying to avoid the news as well. My son and brother won't stop talking about it, though. Otherwise I'm doing good.

by Anonymousreply 18October 24, 2024 11:21 PM

My ballot was received and counted in Florida today (I live in Europe). I had grave doubts that would happen. I voted for Kamala, Debbie, Jared, abortion, and weed. Voted out every judge appointed by a Republican. Let's hope more get through.

by Anonymousreply 19October 24, 2024 11:25 PM

Feel pretty good after sign waving for Harris today. So many honks in response to our Honk for Harris signs. Everyone who did positive responses ran the gambit of human appearances and were so happy to see us.

The few negative assholes all looked the same and had the same angry voice and samw uninspired things to yell. They're just not someone you'd want align yourself with. Hopefully we don't or this country is fucked forever.

by Anonymousreply 20October 24, 2024 11:29 PM

[quote] The few negative assholes all looked the same

It’s the same where I am. They are like clones.

by Anonymousreply 21October 24, 2024 11:57 PM

I’m blocking it all out in whatever ways are left for me, since I no longer booze it up.

I REALLY want to believe we will be OK, but something tells me this is not going to work out well for most of us.

I think Trump will win. I think we are one of the dumbest countries to exist, and I believe we will finally surrender to years of shitty educations, FOX News, social media, & poor diets.

I feel awful admitting that I think this way, but I don’t believe we will pull through. How can we? Look at us… too many of us are so belligerently stupid, it’s a miracle we have made it this far.

by Anonymousreply 22October 25, 2024 12:13 AM

This country was founded by white European men. They were the ones that survived the atrocities of the middle ages, the plagues, the pillaging, the wars. So, you know...arrogant and persistent motherfuckers. I've seen my family tree, many of the ones who came over originally were descended from nobility, so rich enough to make it happen. Or pastors. Lots of pastors Judgey, preachy pastors.

They were bold enough to come take over this new land, and kill or subjugate all of the humans that were living on this land. Hot shit, right? And then they proceeded to kidnap humans from Africa and enslave and beat those humans. Badass, huh?

They wanted religious freedom, and then turned around and ended up losing their minds with paranoia and killed innocent women during the the Salem Witch Trials. That'll show 'em!

And then, after fighting a war to free themselves from British rule, thought they were REALLY HOT SHIT.

There was a particular demographic from that bunch that got hugely butthurt when the Civil War freed the slaves, and it is that particular coalition of white supremacist bible-thumping judgmental assholes who are now once again losing their minds, because all they've known is win. Their way or the highway. Anything or anyone deemed "Other" must be destroyed.

I guess what I am saying is, the seeds of this current mess were planted in the middle ages.

by Anonymousreply 23October 25, 2024 12:39 AM

I voted early today in Maryland. I don't know why exactly, but I feel a strange sense of calm (or perhaps it's denial) that it's all going to be okay and she'll win. Not to say that I'm not worried and for the love of god, why isn't that miserable creep dead yet, but I just feel a sense of serenity about it all.

by Anonymousreply 24October 25, 2024 12:43 AM

Devo warned us about "de-evolution" in the 70s and 80s. I danced along to "Whip It" and "Freedom of Choice." Never did I actually ponder the idea/reality of de-evolution as they preached it, until 2016.

by Anonymousreply 25October 25, 2024 12:49 AM

It makes no sense that an insurrectionist is a candidate.

by Anonymousreply 26October 25, 2024 12:49 AM

I'm wondering if they'll do a final count on my provincial one by Halloween.

by Anonymousreply 27October 25, 2024 1:03 AM

After Roe V. Wade went, I think anything goes. I assume another rebellion/attack on federal politicians could occur no matter who wins.

I have a bad feeling Trump will win electoral college again since there's a conservative backlash in the air.

by Anonymousreply 28October 25, 2024 1:06 AM

I can see Trump not only winning the electoral college but also winning the popular vote. Republicans will take Congress too. It’s going to be a blowout and the shock will be felt around the world. Americans cannot be trusted with anything.

by Anonymousreply 29October 25, 2024 1:09 AM

None of it makes sense, R26, other than voting for Harris-Waltz.

I’m quite the little soldier for democracy, & I’m always willing to put in the work & do more than just vote. And by the way, JUST voting is absolutely more than enough.

That stated, it’s been a very difficult several months for me. I’m finally getting over shingles, but my stomach is still massively fucked up from weeks of anti-virals, & I have blocked this campaign out for the most part, because I have to prioritize my wellbeing & keep anxiety to a minimum at this time.

I hope we make it. I hope I am 100% dead wrong about my fucked up prediction regarding this election. I was once a really positive person, and then Trump came along right around the same time I moved to a very conservative area in the United States. I wholeheartedly believed that I was moving to a place where I’d get along with everyone & make lifelong friends. Maybe buy a house, meet a nice guy & settle down. Instead, I met some of the most hateful & hostile people whom I have personally ever known to exist, & that’s when I finally came to understand that I was an exception, not the norm, and that America is filled with a bunch of assholes who are willing to make their neighbors suffer unjustly, who are willing to kick their fellow man when they’re already down, all while claiming that Jesus is Lord and Hallelujah-ing their way to an early grave over stupid refusals to wear masks or by getting a fucking vaccine.

Best part? The primary example for all of this shit was set for me right there where I lived, by the only family I thought I had, and who I desperately needed because I had felt so lonely and lost.

I got there just to have them treat me HORRIBLY, & the town was filled with others just like them.

America is filled with some truly horrible, fucked up people. I wish I didn’t have to live it to learn it, because I understand that it has fundamentally changed me in ways that I don’t want be changed in, and I’m trying to find my way back out of it, and I am leaving that all behind, but it’s very difficult for me to stay positive right now, knowing what I know because of what I have seen.

by Anonymousreply 30October 25, 2024 1:13 AM

R30, sending you a virtual hug and wishes for better years ahead. I’m sorry that so many of the American people have shown themselves to be damn ugly on the inside.

I’m doing OK, but yeah, quite a bit more insomniac and misanthropic than usual. This all is a deeply unsettling moment in history.

For anyone out there who is truly struggling these days, it’s ok to jettison all else and put your well-being first. Not only OK, but essential. ❤️

by Anonymousreply 31October 25, 2024 1:22 AM

[quote]For anyone out there who is truly struggling these days, it’s ok to jettison all else and put your well-being first. Not only OK, but essential. ❤️

Thanks, r31. I needed that

by Anonymousreply 32October 25, 2024 1:27 AM

I finished writing my get-out-the-vote postcards and mailed them today but I’m depressed. I need the election to be over. I try to remember to do what I can and not stress over things I can’t control but so much hangs in the balance that when it combines with disappointments in my private life and a recent death in the family, it all becomes more than I can be cheerful about. I’ve lived on the couch, and only the couch, since October 13.

by Anonymousreply 33October 25, 2024 1:44 AM

Jon Stewart said it best during this week's Daily Show!

[quote] “Did we all die during COVID? And is this some strange, surreal purgatory?”

by Anonymousreply 34October 25, 2024 2:27 AM

Perfect r34

by Anonymousreply 35October 25, 2024 2:31 AM

My anxiety is ramping up. I need to stop doom scrolling.

by Anonymousreply 36October 25, 2024 2:38 AM

Fascists depend on you becoming so disgusted and anxious about politics that you look the other way and let them step on necks unimpeded

by Anonymousreply 37October 25, 2024 2:42 AM

The Guardian went to a Trump to find out who was there and why they were leaving early.

TL:DR

Attending: One man who had already attended another one in NC just wanted to feel close to Trump. He's a groupie.

- Most people left early because they had to work or school in the morning.

- Four young men wearing brand-new Trump hats were found to be Danes. They were students who wanted to experience American politics.

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by Anonymousreply 38October 25, 2024 2:44 AM

Is "Why are people leaving Trump rallies early?" the new "We talked to Trump voters in a Mount Gilead, Ohio diner"?

by Anonymousreply 39October 25, 2024 2:52 AM

[quote]I guess what I am saying is, the seeds of this current mess were planted in the middle ages.

You really should study world history and present day history as well. Those European men you're whining about were FAR ahead of the rest of the world when it came to human rights and progressive ideals.

by Anonymousreply 40October 25, 2024 2:54 AM

I just can't imagine Trump being President again, but too many factors are pointing to a Trump win.

by Anonymousreply 41October 25, 2024 2:56 AM

Horny cuz Erik is getting out of the big house and will soon be pounding away on the backdoor of my big house……

by Anonymousreply 42October 25, 2024 3:04 AM

R22 sorry but I’m with you.All that slow effort since Nixon by Roger Ailes and friends is going to pay off big time. And it ain’t going to be 4-years It’s 4-ever.

by Anonymousreply 43October 25, 2024 3:25 AM

R23 is so right on. It won’t help but it’s the historic reality. AND the people in this country who have all the guns are the Trump militia who were enabled to get guns/auto-weapons by the repub.-congress/gun lobby. They’ll keep us in our place.

by Anonymousreply 44October 25, 2024 3:34 AM

Watching from the outside, I am hoping America continues with the whole freedom, justice and democracy storyline and doesn’t decide to jump the shark by voting for the lard-filled orange balloon.

It’s almost unbelievable to think he could even come close to winning, but I am becoming really, really nervous. It really seems like anything could happen. The media seems to be treating him like an ordinary political candidate, but he is not normal, in any way.

I’m hoping for a Harris landslide. America is still currently the world’s indispensable nation, but things would look very different if you have a president determined to undermine the Constitution, while bending the knee to Russia and abandoning Nato.

by Anonymousreply 45October 25, 2024 3:39 AM

We all- including. the conservatives themselves underestimated just how many hateful-greedy-narrow minded people there are in this country-now we know.

by Anonymousreply 47October 25, 2024 3:42 AM

I get so incensed at the possibility Trump might win in collusion with the media, that I want to get out here and knock on doors and make phone calls and text or WTF ever. I will fucking drag voters to the polls if I have to. We cannot let it happen. I feel comfortable about the fact that millions of people feel the same way and they will do likewise. There were more than 20,000 people at a rally for Kamala in Georgia. She had Obama with her. He was electrifying. He turned out Detroit earlier without her, and she and Michelle Obama are going to be in Kalamazoo, Michigan in a couple of days.

by Anonymousreply 48October 25, 2024 3:45 AM

[quote]is so right on. It won’t help but it’s the historic reality.

The historic reality is also that those European men were on the forefront of human rights.

by Anonymousreply 49October 25, 2024 3:46 AM

Some just wanted to rule the world but would never admit it-Enter Trump and friends

by Anonymousreply 50October 25, 2024 3:51 AM

With whites being 75% of the U S -it’s a done deal- 4 ever Dump

by Anonymousreply 51October 25, 2024 3:59 AM

Kamala for the win.

by Anonymousreply 52October 25, 2024 4:09 AM

GO, HARRIS/WALZ

by Anonymousreply 53October 25, 2024 4:28 AM

Honestly, I feel like r22. Just calm.

This will sound dumb and woowoo but idc. Make fun of me if you want, but I feel like that orange cunt has already LOST. The vast majority of us are sick and tired of his shit and just want him to go the FUCK away and SHUT THE FUCK UP forever.

The country has now realized the only way to make that happen is to cunt punt him.

That being said, the thugs WILL ABSOLUTELY try to steal this. They have made no secret of it. Do I think they will? Nope. We have Marc Elias, Neal Katyal, Andrew Weismann, etc. They have dipshit Sidney Powell.

Of course, I get anxious, but more anxious about the violence the pricks and white boy domestic terror groups are planning vs who will win.

by Anonymousreply 54October 25, 2024 4:42 AM

Echoing R54. Harris will win, but there will be fuckery from the GOP. They sure as hell won’t go quietly.

by Anonymousreply 55October 25, 2024 5:00 AM

We have the might and force of the Federal Government. Biden won't sit in the dining room next to the Oval and watch TV while the government burns. And Kamala's transition team won't be ignored, denied and stopped at every turn.

by Anonymousreply 56October 25, 2024 5:10 AM

Sorry, bitches.

The Christofascists have won.

Get ready to beg for your continued existence.

Or just start fucking pussy!

by Anonymousreply 57October 25, 2024 5:15 AM

First, I’m so glad most of you are taking care of yourselves. Keep doing that!!! You never should have gone through this, and I’m so sorry it’s happened.

I have a Savior complex, so I have taken a different road. I am eyeballs deep in some serious attacks/activism on X, I have been helping break stories on these pigs, trying to help warp speed the public understanding of what this is — because our media has FAILED in our hour of need. They failed the globe, for fucking money! And fear. They’re so busy protecting their own asses from his potential win that they forgot to protect OUR ass!!! Fuck them!!!!

I am taking some serious serious risks to myself and my family. I am referring to my freedom and liberty if these SOB’s win. I can’t tell you if it’s all worth it or not. I think so? I love my country. I cannot let it fall without fighting with every single cell in my body. And yes, it’s destroying me. I’m not well. But I’m a political pirate. I was literally built for this moment, so I keep marching because I know I am uniquely equipped to help our government fight them.

I am one of the old hags here. I love this place, and if I end up in jail, it’s been a dream knowing you all. I mean it. This place carried me the last 15+ years. Thank you. We MUST win, so if you’re able to help, keep your eyes focused only on winning, ignore all the noise or you’ll be like me. PA is tight but in the right margin (for now), so cover your eyes, let’s get this mother fucker over with. Dump and Elon are tied at the top of my Piss List, I will shit AND piss on both their graves. The only thing keeping me going is that I’m in assassin-mode (metaphor!). I can’t stop until they are pummeled, cuffed, and MF perp walked.

Whatever they do now only shows their true colors and bolsters our cause. Vote EARLY, do not be at the polls on ED if you can help it.

by Anonymousreply 58October 25, 2024 5:31 AM

Get it, r58!

I’m working the polls on Election Day for numerous reasons. I started in 2020 figuring if I had to die on a hill, that was a pretty good one.

Up to that point, I’d only done phone banking, postcarding and canvassing.

Anyway, we’ve been through a lot together and I can’t wait to have a huge ass group hug/back slap when this nightmare is behind us.

You hold on tight. If the worst happens, you already have an “underground network” of DLers ready and willing to assist you.

by Anonymousreply 59October 25, 2024 6:40 AM

I might cry from your post. Thank you so much, thank you for your service too.

by Anonymousreply 60October 25, 2024 6:45 AM

R40 You didn't read my post properly. The contemporary Europeans by definition aren't the ones that came to America so your position is moot. There is a specific type of American wrought by many specifically American factors. You're bringing modern Europeans into it, and they are utterly beside the point. The "USA! USA!" thing is because America is a young country, the white supremicists are arrogant like petulant teenagers. They still think they have "aura points" for defeating the British in the Revolutionary War. And they have a chip on their shoulder about the Civil War. And then again, pride because of winning WWI and WWII. It's that basic of an identity thing. It's ego. It's alpha.

Maybe if our country was 1000 years older, we'd have been through enough cycles of egomania, followed by humiliation, reflection and recouperation, to develop the calm, gravitas and class and team spirit of many modern European countries. We just are not there. Scandinavian countries once renown for raping, pillaging and conquering are now the most peaceful, progressive, socially cohesive countries on earth. That's what 1000 years does to a society.

by Anonymousreply 61October 25, 2024 9:42 AM

I think it will be a miracle if Kamala wins. She would need all the women, LGBTQ, the Under 45's, the minorities, the tree-huggers, abortion advocates, human rights activists... vs. Angry Old White People.

And she's a bi-racial female with no experience running a country, state or city.

A miracle.

by Anonymousreply 62October 25, 2024 9:56 AM

[quote]And she's a bi-racial female with no experience running a country, state or city.

Your slip is showing

by Anonymousreply 63October 25, 2024 10:38 AM

It’s not a slip showing. It’s a sheet blowing in the wind!

by Anonymousreply 64October 25, 2024 11:07 AM

A gay MAGA R62? How revolting. How do you sleep at night? Oh that is right you’re a selfish dolt who are cares about himself. Gross

by Anonymousreply 65October 25, 2024 11:32 AM

R48

She’s rallying in Houston today for Colin Allred and to talk about abortion. I think it’s the first Democratic presidential rally since Obama came in 2008 several times (TBF, I think he was a primary candidate the few times he rallied in Austin). He came as president several times, too, but I’m not sure Hillary and/or Biden came at all except for fundraisers.

Anyway, “some people” are saying that this bodes well for Allred, that his polling must be high enough to make the trip worth it for Kamala.

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by Anonymousreply 66October 25, 2024 11:32 AM

[quote]How are you feeling, my fellow DLers?

Checked out.

by Anonymousreply 67October 25, 2024 11:35 AM

For everyone worried about violence, I will remind you who the Commander-in-Chief is. We have the National Guard and the US Military on our side and if their racist members decide to go against their oaths and we devolved into anarchy, then we had no chance, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 68October 25, 2024 11:35 AM

[quote]It makes no sense that an insurrectionist is a candidate.

That's where we come in.

by Anonymousreply 69October 25, 2024 11:48 AM

God, please multiply the loavRazepams and fisheSSRIs for the nervous Maries among us. Amen.

by Anonymousreply 70October 25, 2024 12:10 PM

I have the constant feeling that no matter which way this election goes, civil unrest is going to be a given. People are holding their cards close to their chest and not revealing too much about who they're going to vote for. Like it or not this election has come down to women against men, men against women, racial division, ethnocentrism, ageism and a general feeling the Apocalypse is just around the corner no matter who's in the office. It's culture versus culture with the polarization at both ends of the spectrum, no one is meeting in the middle. It's pretty telling when people on hook up apps are stating " no Republicans" more frequently now. When did political affiliation become a gate keeper for personal interaction?

by Anonymousreply 71October 25, 2024 12:25 PM

[quote]When did political affiliation become a gate keeper for personal interaction?

I don't know, r71. Maybe around the time the GOP became the party of fascism.

by Anonymousreply 72October 25, 2024 12:50 PM

I'm scared...

by Anonymousreply 73October 25, 2024 12:57 PM

[quote]People are holding their cards close to their chest and not revealing too much about who they're going to vote for.

Jesus, R71, where do you live, and can I afford to live there?

by Anonymousreply 74October 25, 2024 1:14 PM

[quote] When did political affiliation become a gate keeper for personal interaction?

I date it back to 1968, R71. There was a cultural shift and a backlash against it, because of civil rights, women's liberation, and gay liberation. Add to that Vietnam. the end of manufacturing as a mainstay of the American economy, and Watergate. Reagan was the first standard bearer of the backlash ("Government is the problem."). It got worse with Gingrich. I truly believe that Republicans never got over Bill Clinton -- a deeply flawed man in his personal life -- getting elected. It's gotten worse ever since.

Social media has exasperated this backlash. We no longer share a common frame of reference. People look for their communities on-line or on broadcast tv/radio that will validate rather than challenge their beliefs and prejudices. Those sites or channels do not have to offer differing opinions. We're shouting at each other, not listening to each other.

And there is the decline of religious belief. Whether that's good or not, people have channeled their emotions and energy into politics now.

by Anonymousreply 75October 25, 2024 1:17 PM

[quote]And there is the decline of religious belief.

There's not enough of it. It dominates everything - including politics.

by Anonymousreply 76October 25, 2024 1:35 PM

The people who are most religious are also most MAGA. The reddest states are the most religious and the most MAGA. The decline of religion is like 'economic anxiety.' Upper middle class urban people like the sound of it as an explanation for Trump but it falls flat.

by Anonymousreply 77October 25, 2024 1:41 PM

Trying to ration the nonstop info coming at us. I have contingency plans in place, if the worst happens As someone once said “In early 1930s Germany , the pessimists went to America and the optimists went to Auschwitz.”

by Anonymousreply 78October 25, 2024 1:44 PM

[quote] And yes, it’s destroying me. I’m not well. But I’m a political pirate.

Do you wear a costume and everything? It doesn’t seem worth it without wearing the costume.

by Anonymousreply 79October 25, 2024 2:03 PM

[quote]Social media has exasperated this backlash.

Good heavens, R75, I used to think you were smart!

It's funny -- I heard Kamala make the exact same error on TV just the other day. I mused to my bff, "She said 'exasperated' instead of 'exacerbated,' and I bet no one under 50 noticed."

by Anonymousreply 80October 25, 2024 2:53 PM

R80, you got me. I'm so sorry!

by Anonymousreply 81October 25, 2024 3:49 PM

I heard a comment from one of the talking heads - 'Democrats are not made for combat!' - said tongue in cheek. I agree. Republicans are fully confident that they will win, as they were in 2020 and 2022. They do not panic over anything. They are certain that he's actually up 10. They think he could even take NY! They believe nothing bad. Everything is made up. Dems are so easy to rattle. Once bad poll and Dems have a meltdown.

If only Dems could develop the brass balls of Republicans. When Kamala wins, she needs to keep on her social media team and have them flood the zone with every accomplishment. Call out every Republican who takes credit for thing they voted against. We cannot stay silent and then stand there flummoxed again in 2028 when Republicans shamelessly shout that the country is on fire.

by Anonymousreply 82October 25, 2024 4:00 PM

Here on the ground, Black men resent Kamala for not marrying a Black man. A lot of them are not supporting her

by Anonymousreply 83October 25, 2024 4:03 PM

"... people have channeled their emotions and energy into politics now"

Nobody wants to work anymore. They're addicted to their cell phones. So the President has become a combination of daddy, Jesus and Santa Claus. They want their $1,200/mo. checks again.

by Anonymousreply 84October 25, 2024 4:06 PM

In case you haven't noticed, Trump's campaign has been shadowing Harris to all her campaign events. Fucking stalker!

by Anonymousreply 85October 25, 2024 4:07 PM

[quote] Dems are so easy to rattle. Once bad poll and Dems have a meltdown.

This article states it as “Democrats admit they tend to be hand-wringing, bed-wetting, doomsdayers.” It’s ridiculous for Democrats to feel gloom. The race being a tie, Harris has the same chance of winning as Trump. She’s not behind.

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by Anonymousreply 86October 25, 2024 4:11 PM

The media loves to denigrate Democrats and extol Republicans regardless of facts.

by Anonymousreply 87October 25, 2024 4:51 PM

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but the recent stories about the polls now being tied feel like empty media hype to drive anxiety-induced clicks. That being said, I think Kamala will eke out a win, but Diaper Don and his acolytes will throw everything they can think of at the wall to try pushing the election in his favor. They've had four years to figure this out, and I have no doubt they're planning something truly fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 88October 25, 2024 5:00 PM

Perhaps a sliver of hope if he does win. The career, senior military staff do not support trump, in fact they despise him. Air Force may be a bit of an exception. But for a truly successful takeover , the leader requires the backing of the military. Having said that, local law enforcement is another matter. I know an 'oath keeper' retired sherif , those people are fucking lunatics. Will non oath keeper LEO stand up to them?

by Anonymousreply 89October 25, 2024 6:07 PM

R83, with all the black dudes marrying white women, they need to STFU.

by Anonymousreply 90October 25, 2024 6:11 PM

I am frightened.

by Anonymousreply 91October 25, 2024 6:30 PM

My anxiety has been through the roof since September. I can't think of a time in my life when it's been so overwhelming,

by Anonymousreply 92October 25, 2024 6:31 PM

The problem is - if it's up to PA and WI - the Republicans passed a law saying you can't count mail in ballots until election day. So there will be a backlog - THEN Republicans will say - oh these 2 states are a mess we have to step in.

It has to be a HUGE victory - they have too much fuckery planned. They're filing all these lawsuits now to sow doubt about the election.

But I honestly don't see ANY enthusiasm for Trump - despite all the social media shit they're trying to throw out there and the last minute Republican polls to skew the averages and make it look like a close race.

Women are energized, gays are energized, black people are energized, some liberal straight white men are energized. Hopefully that results in people actually voting this time.

My BIG hope is that people who haven't voted before vote in this election and it becomes a habit - particularly if we win.

by Anonymousreply 93October 25, 2024 6:37 PM

I bought a bag of peppermint candy canes for the holidays and just started eating them this week because of Trump. I am regressing with the anxiety of it, sucking on a cane helps

by Anonymousreply 94October 25, 2024 6:43 PM

[quote] I can see Trump not only winning the electoral college but also winning the popular vote.

California ensures Harris wins the popular vote. I think she will win the electoral college as well.

by Anonymousreply 95October 25, 2024 6:47 PM

But I honestly don't see ANY enthusiasm for Trump - despite all the social media shit they're trying to throw out there and the last minute Republican polls to skew the averages and make it look like a close race.

What are these "last minute Republican polls" you're talking about? List them.

by Anonymousreply 96October 25, 2024 6:53 PM

[quote]But I honestly don't see ANY enthusiasm for Trump - despite all the social media shit they're trying to throw out there and the last minute Republican polls to skew the averages and make it look like a close race.

What are these "last minute Republican polls" you're talking about? List them.

by Anonymousreply 97October 25, 2024 6:54 PM

[quote] My anxiety has been through the roof since September. I can't think of a time in my life when it's been so overwhelming,

In a world where professional 1x1 counseling is available on the internet and there are a variety of prescription meds for such an affliction, there’s no excuse for only lamenting it and not getting treatment.

by Anonymousreply 98October 25, 2024 6:55 PM

I feel excited and anxious. I want it to be over. I think either candidate could win, hence the anxiety.

by Anonymousreply 99October 25, 2024 6:56 PM

[quote] But I honestly don't see ANY enthusiasm for Trump

What are you basing this on? Where you live? Let us guess, WeHo.

by Anonymousreply 100October 25, 2024 7:01 PM

[quote] Chinese Hackers Are Said to Have Targeted Phones Used by Trump and Vance

Interesting

by Anonymousreply 101October 25, 2024 8:06 PM

^ Election interference. I wonder if the Biden administration will be calling out China for doing this.

by Anonymousreply 102October 25, 2024 8:10 PM

I was out running errands today and I was pleasantly surprised by the number of Harris/Walz signs, including republicans for Harris. This is no small feat because I live in fairly rural Oklahoma, where folks are threatened for this. I am too chicken to put up a sign myself for this reason, I tell myself it’s because of HOA restrictions which is only partially true. I even saw a photo on FB of a carved pumpkin with “, la”.

by Anonymousreply 103October 25, 2024 8:19 PM

R102, he already has. Many times

by Anonymousreply 104October 25, 2024 8:24 PM

I heard a comment from one of the talking heads - 'Democrats are not made for combat!'

R82 You are so right! The Democrats invariably bring a first aid kit to a knife fight!

by Anonymousreply 105October 25, 2024 8:34 PM

It’s nerve wracking. But I’m hopeful.

Images of Kamala and Beyoncé will be everywhere during the weekend. Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally, if his history is any indication, will put his dementia and unfitness on full display. Then on Tuesday, Kamala will speak from the location where Trump started an insurrection. If her history at the DNC is any indication, she will seize the moment.

Fingers crossed.

by Anonymousreply 106October 25, 2024 8:48 PM

Time to demonstrate some active faith, everyone.

After having exhausted all means available to you in making this election a Harris/Walz victory, buy a bottle of champagne to be put on ice the morning of November 5th.

It Works!

by Anonymousreply 107October 25, 2024 9:07 PM

Ennui.

by Anonymousreply 108October 25, 2024 9:12 PM

Demented Donald Trump is an abomination and his supporters are just like him. It's extremely disturbing to think about.

by Anonymousreply 109October 25, 2024 9:20 PM

When you accept that the only thing most people can do politically is to vote and donate and volunteer if they are able, politics becomes much less stressful. Allowing yourself to be anxious all the time isn't going to change whether Harris or Trump wins, but it may shorten your life.

by Anonymousreply 110October 25, 2024 9:27 PM

The fact that a mentally disturbed person may become POTUS should cause anxiety unless you're numb.

by Anonymousreply 111October 25, 2024 9:31 PM

If the brighter half of this country can't convince the dimmer half of this country to vote for KH, then that's on them.

by Anonymousreply 112October 25, 2024 9:43 PM

It's been a mix of emotions for this past week. There are times I'm hopeful and times I'm anxious and feel pessimistic. But, I'm trying to prepare myself mentally for Trump win and having the ability to shake it off if it happens. But, I could also see myself heartbroken for several reasons. One being J6 21, I can forgive the people who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and who now denounce him. The people who have continued to support after J6, they are disgusting scumbags with likely no redeeming qualities. The awful things Trump has said about veterans and the Vietnam War pisses me off quite a bit because my late father was a Vietnam Veteran. As a woman and lesbian, the Project 2025 shit is awful.

by Anonymousreply 113October 25, 2024 9:44 PM

Very nervous and depressed.

by Anonymousreply 114October 25, 2024 9:44 PM

I'm coping, but not that well. I just can't understand or believe how things got this bad, and I feel like I'm constantly trying to. It's so depressing and frustrating.

One of the things that makes it worse is foreigners making posts on Twitter and reddit begging us not to elect trump for the sake of the world. Like, bitch, we're all traumatized living under this corrupt system and panicked that he just might win. What do you think we can do about it besides vote, donate, write postcards? Do you not get that almost 50% of this country is so fucked up that they literally cannot be reasoned with? We're trying to save ourselves and we don't need anyone adding their burdens to it.

I know you all think Americans are the world's immature teenagers and don't know anything about geopolitics, but trust us, we do actually know what's at stake here.

by Anonymousreply 115October 25, 2024 9:56 PM

r58, thank you so much, you are an inspiration

by Anonymousreply 116October 25, 2024 10:00 PM

[quote] I just can't imagine Trump being President again, but too many factors are pointing to a Trump win.

r41, I understand how you feel. Many insiders have made decisions anticipating a Trump victory. Here are the ones I know of:

- This year at Davos, the prevailing opinion was that Donald Trump would likely win.

- Then Foreign Minister David Cameron leaked that Trump had approved his Russia/Ukraine peace plan.

- Musk went all in on Trump when he looked weak against Kamala in the early fall.

- The UN General Secretary shunned a Ukrainian-led meeting, instead going to a BRIC meeting in Tatarstan and bowing to Putin. The discussion was the de-dollarization of the world economy.

- Both the LATimes and the Washington Post have decided not to endorse any candidates. In the case of the Washington Post, this decision was influenced by Jeff Bezos's concern about losing government contracts.

- The threats against businesses have already begun. A Deloitte employee provided material critical of Trump / Vance to WAPO, and immediately, Don Jr. threatened to revoke Deloitte's government contracts. It's important to note that this was not an official statement from Deloitte; it was just an employee speaking to the press.

It doesn't look good.

by Anonymousreply 117October 25, 2024 10:16 PM

Geez. This thread is making me feel much worse.

by Anonymousreply 118October 25, 2024 10:28 PM

What R29 said! I fear it will be the outcome

by Anonymousreply 119October 25, 2024 10:33 PM

I fear what R29 said will come true

by Anonymousreply 120October 25, 2024 10:35 PM

After the DNC at the end of August, 538 had Kamala with a 3.7 lead over Trump.

Today that lead is down to 1.4.

On this day in 2020, 538 showed Biden with a 9.2 lead.

by Anonymousreply 121October 25, 2024 10:38 PM

I'm obsessed with politics and the media, so election night is like the Super Bowl to me. But I'm debating whether to be glued to MSNBC and DL on election day or to stay away from all media until Wednesday morning.

It's depressing how far the U.S. has fallen. I saw a report on MSNBC where they interviewed young voters, and one of the stupid college bros said he would vote for Trump because "he talks the way my friends talk." Too many people think electing a president to lead the country is like choosing a drinking buddy. We've become a nation that not only tolerates stupidity and ignorance but celebrates and rewards it. Smart, thoughtful people are seen as the enemy.

by Anonymousreply 122October 25, 2024 10:40 PM

A convicted felon with a mug shot may become president - AGAIN. America should be ashamed of itself.

by Anonymousreply 123October 25, 2024 10:47 PM

Not to mention an INSURRECTIONIST who tried to violently overthrow the results of the last presidential election to stay in power, r123.

I mean, is this real life?

by Anonymousreply 124October 25, 2024 10:49 PM

I've been urging strangers to go vote at the store and the mall, etc. and I have to say I have not run into a single Trump voter. I never mention his name. i only ask, "Have you had a chance to vote yet?" and it triggers people. They start talking. So I feel pretty good. I know it's anecdotal, but still...

by Anonymousreply 125October 25, 2024 10:57 PM

[quote] I've been urging strangers to go vote at the store and the mall

Isn’t that what you would tell someone to steer them away from the actual polling places?

by Anonymousreply 126October 25, 2024 11:11 PM

HOLD ME, DAVID.

by Anonymousreply 127October 25, 2024 11:30 PM

Where do you live, R125?

by Anonymousreply 128October 25, 2024 11:35 PM

After today, only ten more sunsets until Election Day.

by Anonymousreply 129October 25, 2024 11:36 PM

R124 It's hard to believe. But, if Trump gets re-elected it will leave an awful stain on American history.

I'm also holding out a bit of hope that the piece of shit Josh Hawley loses his Senate seat. The fucker did a fist pump salute to the scumbags on J6 and still has supporters.

I will not post the pic of Hawley 's fist pump salute. But, this picture of Congressman Andy Kim of New Jersey cleaning up the garbage of the J6 scumbags is something that I hope ends up in history textbooks someday.

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by Anonymousreply 130October 25, 2024 11:42 PM

A reminder that Romney and Obama had very similar polling in 2012. The actual turnout was higher than expected, giving Obama a 332 to 206 win.

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by Anonymousreply 131October 25, 2024 11:47 PM

I believe in what R34 said. We are in hell!

by Anonymousreply 132October 25, 2024 11:57 PM

[quote] I've been urging strangers to go vote at the store and the mall, etc. and I have to say I have not run into a single Trump voter.

Where in the US do you live?

by Anonymousreply 133October 26, 2024 12:47 AM

Jon Stewart worked over time promoting Trump with his both sides bullshit. Fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 134October 26, 2024 12:47 AM

[quote] What are you basing this on? Where you live? Let us guess, WeHo.

Clearly not WeHo! Those girls love Dump.

by Anonymousreply 135October 26, 2024 12:51 AM

[quote] Here on the ground, Black men resent Kamala for not marrying a Black man. A lot of them are not supporting her

Where is 'the ground'?! 1974?

by Anonymousreply 136October 26, 2024 12:52 AM

Jon Stewart pretty much proved to be a sleazebag years ago when people questioned him about the perv allegations about his pal Louis CK and Stewart laughed them off prior to CK admitting to them.

by Anonymousreply 137October 26, 2024 1:00 AM

Mailed my ballot today. I didn't get the first one so had to sign a form I didn't receive it and they sent me out another. Feels good to be done with it. I think it's going to be a close race and it will be contested.

by Anonymousreply 138October 26, 2024 1:17 AM

There was absolutely no justification f or what Trump did on January 6th. He attempted, through fraud and trickery to block t he peaceful transfer of power and take over the government. I hate him. Tell people to just close their eyes, and pretend real hard that is is the morning after. It is November 6th... and Trump has "won" the Presidency. How will they feel. I tried it and got such a knot in my gut and felt so angry and anxious I wanted to scream. I wanted to do violence.

by Anonymousreply 139October 26, 2024 3:59 AM

R4 aww you’re cute. Where are you from?

by Anonymousreply 140October 26, 2024 4:04 AM

Trump will become the next George Bush in ten years time where no one admits that they supported him.

by Anonymousreply 141October 26, 2024 1:55 PM

George Bush never had a cult following, R141.

by Anonymousreply 142October 26, 2024 2:00 PM

It's on my mind 24/7. I'm sick with worry. I go to bed at night terrified and wake up terrified. I'm old and I do not want to spend what time I have left watching the great country I have spent 71 years in turned into a shithole hated by most of the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 143October 26, 2024 2:03 PM

I'm with you R143, and I am already exploring other options. I will not live here if he is President. I will leave. I am not just talking. I am doing my research. I am not a wealthy person. But I will find a way to make an exit. I am not deserting my country. I have given a lot to this country. But it seems my country is deserting me.

by Anonymousreply 144October 26, 2024 2:24 PM

R144, you are going no where. You need a ton of money and special skills to go to another country. You have neither. Sit your broke ass down.

by Anonymousreply 145October 26, 2024 2:28 PM

[quote] I'm old and I do not want to spend what time I have left watching the great country I have spent 71 years in turned into a shithole hated by most of the rest of the world.

I guess we can longer call ourselves the leader of the free world if we're going to lock hands with the enemies of freedom.

by Anonymousreply 146October 26, 2024 2:39 PM

I got through the first trump dictatorship, I imagine I can squeak through another.

by Anonymousreply 147October 26, 2024 2:42 PM

The Media has done a piss poor job of covering this campaign. They have actively openly and deliberately supported Trump. Gaslighting us, and normalizing him, sanitizing his comments and behavior. You tell me how the hell a Reality show celebrity, a convicted felon, a man who incited an insurrection to overthrow our government can even legitimately run for President, much less be normalized by the media. I am disgusted. The days of Woodward and Bernstein expose's is over. Bob Woodward is making bank out of Trump's criminality.

by Anonymousreply 148October 26, 2024 2:47 PM

[quote]Bob Woodward is making bank out of Trump's criminality.

I remember Woodward keeping that tidbit about Trump deliberately stalling COVID relief because he thought it would hit blue states harder. With all the talk about genocide lately, people forget that this was bascially him admitting that he wanted genocide on HIS own enemies.

But to be honest, the entire press has been using the Trump administration for their own financial gain since he ran the first time.

Even a show like The View, as much as they protest Trump, was quick to hire someone from his administration to be on their panel.

by Anonymousreply 149October 26, 2024 3:14 PM

Wasn’t Woodward in bed with Bush too?

by Anonymousreply 150October 26, 2024 3:25 PM

I imagine Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley and Chet Huntley are all rolling over in their graves at the pathetic state the major news media outlets have sunk to in this country. I long ago adopted the belief that if you see it on TV it's far more likely it's fake than real.

by Anonymousreply 151October 26, 2024 4:10 PM

Are you a "fake news" Trump or Harris voter, R151?

by Anonymousreply 152October 26, 2024 4:13 PM

I'm a yellow dog democrat. I've never voted for a republican in my life and I've been voting for over 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 153October 26, 2024 4:18 PM

I hear words like the repubs are against freedom is total BS. Which party wants freedom of speech to be more limited (said by Kerry and Hillary) Dems! Another thing that I read a lot on here is the way the mainstream press is not helping Kamala!! They can't help someone who won't answer a question!! The Dems screwed themselves with what they did to Biden. If she loses and I believe she will it will fall on Obama who orchestrated all of this and who has been the real president for the last 4 years.

by Anonymousreply 154October 26, 2024 6:15 PM

Are you new here, r154? Sadly, I’m all out of f/f to give.

by Anonymousreply 155October 26, 2024 6:31 PM

I can't believe I haven't already blocked R154.

I guess I'll do it now.

by Anonymousreply 156October 26, 2024 6:35 PM

R154 whom I have now blocked KNOWS that disinformation/misinformation made Trump president, made Brexit possible and allows the far right the world over to capture a large part of votes in he west. The Democrats want to curtail disinformation and the right says "not our freedom!" because they know that the Russian bots and Elon incels/paid Russian "alternative media" help them win.

They are traitors to democracy.

by Anonymousreply 157October 26, 2024 6:54 PM

[156] [157] Blocking me?? Why because I don't believe the BS you are pushing? Just because we are all gay doesn't mean I have to believe your opinions. That is what is wrong with the left block block!! I think 4 more years of the same will finish our Democracy if we don't make a change and I think Nov 5 will make that happen.

by Anonymousreply 158October 26, 2024 8:45 PM

I'm feeling like I'm sliding down the rapidly tilting deck of the Titanic, trying to convince myself the water may not be that cold, maybe, hopefully.

by Anonymousreply 159October 26, 2024 8:55 PM

What, us worry?

by Anonymousreply 160October 26, 2024 9:03 PM

I just voted early for what it's worth in NYC.

Abolish the electoral college now.

by Anonymousreply 161October 26, 2024 9:04 PM

I think these billionaires know that Trump is going to again try to steal the election and they are bracing for the chance that he succeeds. We are in dangerous territory and I'm very scared.

by Anonymousreply 162October 26, 2024 9:05 PM

Yall bitches is scary just cause it’s so close. The electorate has only gotten more polarized each year since 2008. Look at the data. Trump won in 2016 in a quasi electoral blowout, with the closest margins in US presidential history. Relax and drive Mama Rosenberg to the voting booth. She is going to win.

by Anonymousreply 163October 26, 2024 9:06 PM

[quote] Abolish the electoral college now.

What if we have a reversal of 2016, R161? It's not beyond the realm of possibility this year. In any event, even if by some miracle a repeal got through Congress, it could never be ratified by 38 states.

by Anonymousreply 164October 26, 2024 9:08 PM

If he wins I want to pull a Jan Hooks – off forever to a remote cabin with great streaming reception. Get booze, smokes, gummies, and food delivered. Watch classic movies all day.

I'd have spare rooms available for senior lesbian and ElderLez – two golden girls and a gay. And we'd invite ricksrealreel over to introduce movies like our own Dave Karger.

There would be rescue pets galore. And lots of laughter and friendship. Until the end.

by Anonymousreply 165October 26, 2024 9:35 PM

[quote]12 days until the election. How are you feeling, my fellow DLers?

I'm feeling not like 2016 when nobody was paying attention.

Whatever happens is because the people want it or allow it.

by Anonymousreply 166October 26, 2024 9:36 PM

R165 who would you get over to fuck you senseless?

by Anonymousreply 167October 26, 2024 9:48 PM

Thanks, R165 -- I appreciate the thought, really I do.

I've thought more than once about doing the Nomadland thing. If Kamala wins, and I get to spend my "I'm leaving the country" money, I want to buy a trailer I can drag behind my truck (I love to drive) and travel. Perhaps I'll stop by your place and we can watch some movies and eat popcorn.

by Anonymousreply 168October 27, 2024 1:39 AM

[quote]I just voted early for what it's worth in NYC. Abolish the electoral college now.

The people of NY get 28/538 of the vote, which seems reasonable. If they want more electoral votes, they need to encourage their people not to move away.

by Anonymousreply 169October 27, 2024 2:32 AM

Hey, Torta @ R31!

Thanks so much for your response to my post. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

And please know that I don’t always feel so negative. My outlook is not solely bleak. I think the Shingles outbreak definitely placed a toll on my mental health, hence my pessimism.

The town I lived in which I referenced in my post, wasn’t 100% awful. I did have the pleasure and opportunity of making some friends & meeting some wonderful folks! I also had the opportunity to work in some jobs that were hard physical labor, & learned/did stuff that I never imagined I’d do, & I saw/worked alongside with them, experiencing how hard many Americans work in order to keep a roof over their heads, and feed their kids. I now have an insight regarding working class Americans that I never had previously, & I treasure & truly appreciate that insight.

Thanks again for your kindness. ❤️

by Anonymousreply 170October 27, 2024 3:39 PM

R170 did you score any hot cock in that town?

by Anonymousreply 171October 27, 2024 4:14 PM

R170, most welcome. Sincerely— this is a troubling moment and a troubling indicator for the nation. It’s ok and understandable to be shaken up by it.

Staying hopeful, or trying to —

by Anonymousreply 172October 27, 2024 6:10 PM

My take is that momentum has shifted in the last couple days. I thought Trump had the advantage the last couple weeks. But the Harris rallies and speeches, with the Obamas and the celebs (Springsteen, Beyonce et. al.), Harris's own strong delivery, the Trump's own generals confirming his fascist tendencies and Joe Rogan laughing at Trump's dizzy old man nonsense... I think Harris will win, and while the national total will be close, I think Harris may get over 300 electors.

by Anonymousreply 173October 27, 2024 6:22 PM

I’ve always felt that Harris would win, r173. I just wasn’t sure by how much.

Now, something has shifted. It was gradual, but she gaining speed again after hitting a few bumps.

In all frankness, I think Iowa will flip blue. Possibly Ohio, but more likely Iowa.

Anyway, I’m still feeling confident. But, being a Democrat, I still have to worry a bit.

by Anonymousreply 174October 27, 2024 6:32 PM

R173 I’ve flipped back to your thunking as well. Geeking out on the early voting clues… 🙏🏼

by Anonymousreply 175October 27, 2024 6:32 PM

That Rally with Michelle yesterday in Kalamazoo, Michigan was off the chain! More than 20,000 incredibly enthusiastic supporters, and they were LOUD! Michelle was electrifying. So was Kamala. I keep forgetting what a tall woman Michelle is. She looked gorgeous too. High fashion but tasteful. Very glam.

by Anonymousreply 176October 27, 2024 6:34 PM

Michelle was totally out of fucks last night and I LOVED IT! I’m glad she’s dropped that “we go high” bullshit and started kicking the thugs in the cuntbone as they deserve.

Keep that “I’m all outta fucks” Michelle going!

by Anonymousreply 177October 27, 2024 6:40 PM

Totally agree, r177.

Watching that rally gave me hope.

by Anonymousreply 178October 27, 2024 7:05 PM

Michelle Obama is a magnificent speaker. I completely understand why the GOP was freaked out that she might be nominated at an open convention after Biden dropped out.

by Anonymousreply 179October 27, 2024 7:46 PM

Hope this works this time ... trying to post some humor (and maybe some wishful thinking)

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by Anonymousreply 180October 27, 2024 7:55 PM

Trump seems to be taking a page from the Clinton/Harris playbook and holding a rally in a state he has little or no chance of winning. Not clear why he is doing that in the final week.

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by Anonymousreply 181October 27, 2024 8:00 PM

There are plenty of Trumpsters in New Mexico. But, many of the Dems and Independents in NM are annoyed with Trump and Republicans because of Roe being overturned and the Texas abortion bans. The women coming in from Texas for abortion care are putting a strain on the NM healthcare system which isn't that great to begin with.

by Anonymousreply 182October 27, 2024 9:30 PM

I still think she'll win but with 270, 276 or 284. However, it seems every non MAGA talking head thinks that all swing states will break together so I won't be surprised if she wins 6 or all 7. MAGAs will go crazy and say it was rigged whether she wins with 270 or 330 so the important thing is just to win.

by Anonymousreply 183October 27, 2024 10:15 PM

I think this electoral map is going to enter unprecedented territory. I think she is going to lose Michigan while winning Penn, NC, and Georgia.

by Anonymousreply 184October 27, 2024 10:17 PM

I have a good friend who lives outside of Charlotte, NC in what she has described as a 'Republican stronghold.' She feels the tide has turned against Trumpism. She says she is certain NC will flip for Harris.

by Anonymousreply 185October 27, 2024 11:40 PM

That disgusting piece of shit running for governor gives Kamala a very good chance imo. A porn addicted religious hypocrite black nazi who thinks the civil rights movement was wrong and who says his sister in law pissed on his chest while he was pumping her dookie shoot? If you were trying to horrify women you couldn't invent better than this. He is going to lose 35-65.

by Anonymousreply 186October 28, 2024 1:06 AM

I am tempted to just cut myself off from news entirely between now and the election.

by Anonymousreply 187October 28, 2024 10:24 AM

R186 brings to mind the MAGAt I recently read about who said Trump would win 80-20 if there was no Democratic cheating.

by Anonymousreply 188October 28, 2024 11:11 AM

r188 such a large percentage of Americans are so completely and utterly divorced from reality. It's truly frightening.

by Anonymousreply 189October 28, 2024 11:16 AM

Very distressed. I've truly thought for the last couple of years, that The Donald's increasingly unhinged behavior, the convictions, the upcoming lawsuits, the acidic personality of Vance, the dire warnings from top government and military officials - and everything else from his crazy, dysfunctional, and neo-fascist world - would continue to peel away at the Independent and swing voters he'll need to get him re-elected. But to see that the polls are thisfuckingclose makes me very nervous. I have found myself almost wishing he had won in 2020, so now we'd fucking be through with a Trump administration.

by Anonymousreply 190October 28, 2024 2:09 PM

[quote] I have found myself almost wishing he had won in 2020, so now we'd fucking be through with a Trump administration.

That thought has occurred to me, too, of late.

by Anonymousreply 191October 28, 2024 2:16 PM

Biden and Clinton were the clear front runners in the last two elections. Obviously the polls were wrong in 2016 seeing as Clinton lost. They were wrong again in 2020, because Biden did not win by nearly the margin that polls were suggesting.

The fact that Kamala is tied in the polling seems dire, given that Trump has enjoyed much greater support in the last two cycles than respondents have been willing to reveal to pollsters. I’m more or less resigned to Trump winning. What horrible things that means for the future of the country and for me personally, I don’t really want to think about because the prospects are terrifying.

by Anonymousreply 192October 28, 2024 2:23 PM

I've had periods of panic because this is absolutely terrifying. But I'm very optimistic. New polling this weekend shows her over performing Biden in 2020 in almost every key demographic. Women, abortion, and the threat to democracy will win this for us and we will put a stake in that monster's heart once and for all. I have pure hated for that motherfucker and I hate his little fascist sock puppet Vance even more.

I live in Michigan. The Mitten will NOT let our side down. We've got this!

by Anonymousreply 193October 28, 2024 2:25 PM

R192, you might want to look to Karl Rove for some solace. He believes the undercounting of Trump support is a thing of the past. We can only hope. If not, Trump could well sweep the battleground states. As he did in '16.

by Anonymousreply 194October 28, 2024 2:27 PM

This is what we all need!

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by Anonymousreply 195October 28, 2024 2:31 PM

[quote] New polling this weekend shows her over performing Biden in 2020 in almost every key demographic.

I excitedly posted those crosstabs in another thread. Then it dawned on me that of course we'd see those results in an overall poll showing Harris up 4 nationally among likely voters. And then the Nate Silver comment that that poll "has consistently been one of her best surveys."

by Anonymousreply 196October 28, 2024 2:33 PM

I'm R193 and I'm a woman. Since the fall of Roe, pundits (overwhelmingly male) have underestimated the anger of women and passion to stop this bullshit. We've won every major special election since SCOTUS dropped their decision because women have stormed the polls.

What hasn't been underscored enough in this campaign is that killing reproductive care is also creating enormous women's health care deserts. Ob-Gyn docs have fled red states and #s choosing that specialty are way down. Women simply can't get decent health care in those states--not just those who need reproductive care.

Although I'm panicked because Trump is like a Bond villain who just won't die, I'm confident that women of all coloros--with an assist from sane men--will save the day.

by Anonymousreply 197October 28, 2024 2:33 PM

[quote] I'm [R193] and I'm a woman. Since the fall of Roe, pundits (overwhelmingly male) have underestimated the anger of women and passion to stop this bullshit. We've won every major special election since SCOTUS dropped their decision because women have stormed the polls.

Not to beat a dead horse, but a presidential election attracts far more voters. And Trump has had success in attracting large numbers of low-propensity voters, ones you'd never see voting in special elections, or even midterm elections.

by Anonymousreply 198October 28, 2024 2:57 PM

R197, thank you. I keep reminding myself of this. They're neck and neck right now, but I believe she will pull ahead because of this. The media reports on the "grievances" of the MAGA movement. What you describe is a legitimate grievance of a majority of Americans.

by Anonymousreply 199October 28, 2024 4:11 PM

When Illinois Gov. Adlai Stevenson was running for president in the 1950s, a supporter purportedly said to him: “Every thinking person in America will be voting for you.” Stevenson replied, “I’m afraid that won’t do — I need a majority.”

by Anonymousreply 200October 28, 2024 4:13 PM

R198 correct -- it's a presidential election that will attract far more voters than special elections. So women who have thus far been denied the chance to vote against the monsters threatening our health care will finally have the opportunity to do so. And we are storming the polls. Early voting for women is way up and will continue to soar. I'm scared just like every other sane person in this country, but I also think the results won't be close. The blue wall will hold (I live in Michigan) for Kamala. And I suspect we'll get Georgia and Nevada, too. Also, because of the lunatic GOP gubernatorial candidate in NC, we have a good chance of getting that, too.

And Trump's lunatics won't start a civil war post election. We'll have control of the military. They won't.

I'm so looking forward to the downfall of all the quislings in this election--all the people who know how dangerous Trump is and are supporting him for their own cynical purposes. I don't even blame the MAGA idiots who make up his cult. They're dummies who need daddy to tell them how to think. It's the Lindsey Grahams, JD Vances, Nikki Haleys, etc.--who have gone on record warning against Trump only to kiss his fat ass for their own ambitions.

by Anonymousreply 201October 28, 2024 4:46 PM

Unless all of you plan to travel to a swing state this coming weekend and canvass nonstop for 3 days with the local patriots to help make sure every single voter has the info they need to make a conscious decision to vote for Harris....

STFU !

by Anonymousreply 202October 28, 2024 4:49 PM

Trump must have been a big fan of Jimmy Savile, to steal his catchphrase ‘Jim will fix it’, but I just wonder what he thinks he is going to try to fix, besides the election.

by Anonymousreply 203October 28, 2024 4:56 PM

I'm feeling better after yesterday.

They went too far. Except for the New York Post there probably isn't a paper in the country that does have racist in the headline about the rally. (Even the Wall Street Journal has a muted "Keys to a 2024 Trump Rally: Dark Rhetoric, Spectacle and ‘the Weave'" (though also, to my surprise this: "Economists Warn of New Inflation Hazards After Election / Both candidates have big spending plans, but economists say Trump’s proposals carry the greater risk of stoking price increases).

They went too far and I think it will be enough move the margins to Harris sufficiently for her to prevail by some good amount. Maybe the whole thing. Maybe they blew it far more than we know at this point, but reliable Democrat at heart or now, I was repulsed by the ugly spectacle they mounted yesterday and I don't think America is so far gone there aren't enough people left can be swayed out of decency.

I'm feeling better, but not cocky. I just don't see how enough people can ignore that. It was a disgrace.

by Anonymousreply 204October 28, 2024 4:57 PM

argh... a paper in the country that doesn't have racist in the headline.

by Anonymousreply 205October 28, 2024 4:58 PM

She's 6 pts. ahead on who cares more about the Middle Class. All key indicators are in her favor.

by Anonymousreply 206October 28, 2024 5:01 PM

Beautiful post r204.

by Anonymousreply 207October 28, 2024 5:02 PM

“They're neck and neck right now”

According to whom?

The plague polls have her ahead by 5 points.

by Anonymousreply 208October 28, 2024 5:14 PM

*legit polls

by Anonymousreply 209October 28, 2024 5:14 PM

R209 is the Left version of MAGA. Legit polls, stfu.

by Anonymousreply 210October 28, 2024 5:46 PM

Yeah, R210 there's a lot of cognitive dissonance on display. Blue MAGA.

by Anonymousreply 211October 28, 2024 5:49 PM

Not hardly. Wasn’t some asshole attached to “its” campaign just on a podcast or reich wing outlet bragging about how they are flooding the polling data with garbage polls?

All in an effort to depress turnout and claim the election was “rigged” when she wins so they gave some “basis” to contest the election?

I believe it was posted in the “polls” thread.

by Anonymousreply 212October 28, 2024 6:09 PM

R190–and this my friends is the posting of a neurotic liberal suffering from intense PTSD. Why the fuck would have wanted Trump to be re-elected during the worst global pandemic in US history. Listen my dear, I curse so don’t think I’m coming at you hostile. Half the people who are going to go in that voting booth and vote Trump are not Magas. They are just retarded. I’m kidding. But they just are republicans and tune out his crazy rhetoric. Our country is polarized due to fundamental ideological differences. We must accept it. We must accept that the majority of the electorate no longer watches traditional news. There is a growing acknowledgement that Trump is become increasingly unhinged but the populace as a whole isn’t seeing all his behavior and statements in the correct context. After Trump loses next week, hopefully, the media can stop covering him. That’s the only way to kill this virus.

by Anonymousreply 213October 28, 2024 6:32 PM

I'm terrified.

by Anonymousreply 214October 28, 2024 8:51 PM

Take this for what it's worth, but I found it incredibly hopeful. I live in a GOP resort town in Michigan. Lot's of MAGA boaters in town and the very rich--most of whom are GOP (but not necessarily MAGA lunatics).

I was at a local restaurant about a week ago and I was seated near a couple of guys who I know a bit. Both very rich with mansions on the lake. They asked me who I'm voting for and I said, "Why Trump, of course," with mock seriousness.

They both seemed stunned until I told them I was just kidding. They responded by telling me they've never voted for a Dem in their lives but were planning on either voting for Kamala or not voting for either. One of them said, "She'll be a terrible president but he's a horrible person. I absolutely can't vote for him." And his friend agreed.

by Anonymousreply 215October 28, 2024 9:52 PM

R215, I know that the plural of anecdote is not data, but I have had similar anecdotes. My neighbor is a mid-60s Virginia Republican lobbyist and told me, unprompted, that Trump had to lose. A friend’s hardcore Minnesota Republican construction business owner told her he didn’t know who he was going to vote for. God knows how this turns out.

by Anonymousreply 216October 28, 2024 10:04 PM

After that wildly racist rally last night at MSG, there should be no more undecided voters. Anyone who watched that knows exactly what he's about.

by Anonymousreply 217October 28, 2024 10:59 PM

I too have seen would-be deplorables who are not voting for him. Some not voting at all.

Very different from his last 2 runs.

by Anonymousreply 218October 28, 2024 11:21 PM

I am staying busy by texting people and offering to caravan to the polls. It’s actually fun. You get to talk to link minded people, even in red areas, and you can talk to the Harris people and even volunteer if you’d like.

It’s better than sitting around and ringing wrists.

by Anonymousreply 219October 28, 2024 11:25 PM

I am going to also try to get my head around the top 10 close house races and see where I can help. I’ve gotten a lot of people to vote just by being annoying. I’m having a big party on election day so I’ve got an “in” with people. And something to look forward to.

by Anonymousreply 220October 28, 2024 11:26 PM

It's not Trump that's the real threat. It's Bannon, Flynn, Yarvin and Thiel. Trump has recast his show. Notice who wasn't on the stage last night and who is not on stage at his rallies: Boebert, MTG, Lake, Flynn, the Pillow Guy. He's dropped them. He's moved on to a new series with new cast members. Also notice the new discipline at the rallies. The MAGAs are not wearing anything Q anymore, no "WWGIWGA" , no "Storm" stuff, no "Save the Children" stuff. They get to wear the official cap and tees only. The danger is that those sidelined cranks don't consider Trump "revolutionary" enough, and will work to replace him with someone more extreme.

by Anonymousreply 221October 28, 2024 11:33 PM

I’m trying to remain optimistic. I’m in a blue dot in a red state. Harris yard signs everywhere. BUT even still, Trump stickers on cars abound. This afternoon I got cut off by a blonde bitch in a big Mercedes SUV with a big Trump sticker. I wanted to ram her. I do think a lot of people around here, myself included, don’t want to broadcast our Harris support for fear of retribution by MAGA loonies.

I was talking to a lady this weekend who is a new-ish friend. We have never discussed politics before, but she told me that she’s a registered Republican, but hasn’t voted Republican since W. (Ugh) She claims she voted both times for Obama but didn’t vote at all in 2016 and 2020. She is voting for Kamala this time because of Roe. Her daughter almost died giving birth a couple of years ago, and another pregnancy would kill her if she had to carry to term. I think (hope?) women will carry us to the win.

(And yes, I thought about asking why her daughter doesn’t get her tubes tied, but I didn’t.)

by Anonymousreply 222October 28, 2024 11:44 PM

[quote] I think (hope?) women will carry us to the win.

This is my hope as well. But, it's still hard to tell due to the fact that many religious conservative women are supporting Trump because of abortion.

A couple of nights ago I came across this video of these female Republicans who were loyal until who were loyal until Trump and the abortion bans. Again I hope there are more like these women.

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by Anonymousreply 223October 29, 2024 12:01 AM

Not being a smartass, but I’m in a red dot in a blue state. There is Trump shit everywhere. On a typical 30-minute drive, I could count the number of Kamala signs and bumper stickers I see on one hand.

by Anonymousreply 224October 29, 2024 12:03 AM

I’m in a pink dot in a red state. We have very few visible political signs blighting our well-to-do community. Mostly it’s for school board.

by Anonymousreply 225October 29, 2024 12:07 AM

Biden should keep the keys to the White House because of Trumps stated threats to democracy-at least Biden already has the military and a blood bath is inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 226October 29, 2024 12:09 AM

I am extremely worried about the complete lack of Get Out the Vote among the GOP. They are instead focused on training "poll watchers," and I expect a tsunami of voting fraud charges to be filed in an attempt to screw with anything that might get in Trump's way.

At the hate rally at MSG Trump even said he and Mike Johnson have "a little secret" and we'll find out what it is after Election Day.

Please tell me I'm doomcasting here.

by Anonymousreply 227October 29, 2024 12:09 AM

Just one secret?

by Anonymousreply 228October 29, 2024 12:11 AM

It was great hear Mrs Obama at the rally but I am sure the whole family has already left the country.

by Anonymousreply 229October 29, 2024 12:14 AM

Yes. It’s game over for many of us.

by Anonymousreply 230October 29, 2024 12:15 AM

r227 you aren't doom casting but I don't know why some of y'all think Dump is godlike. He is NOT more powerful than the current president and vice president . They got try and fail.

by Anonymousreply 231October 29, 2024 12:17 AM

r229 you anticipate that Trump will win?

by Anonymousreply 232October 29, 2024 12:18 AM

That don’t have a secret. That is him trying to put out false hope for the last few remaining supporters.

The truth is that republican women have had enough but are afraid to say so to pollsters while hubby is listening.

They are organizing in their own way, with a wink and a whisper and are not voting for trump. The more extreme ones are leaving it blank but still not voting for the what they have come to see as the anti-Christ among republican women.

by Anonymousreply 233October 29, 2024 12:22 AM

r233 I finds your 2nd sentence to be far stretched. What I do know is pollsters have gotten better at contacting young people in these polls. I think there is a quiet support for Kamala among white adults over 40, who are just fed up with Trump's tactics. They've just tuned out of politics and all the drama.

by Anonymousreply 234October 29, 2024 12:37 AM

I've said this before, r223, and I will reiterate it in this thread

I have a repug voting female friend who had an abortion back in the mid 70s. She was married, but taking some sort of medicine that caused birth defects. The contraception they were using failed and she got pregnant.

Due to the expected severity of the birth defects, she and her husband decided to get an abortion.

She confess d to me this summer that she is now terrified that "they will come after me for having an abortion back on n the 70s".

Yes, I did point out that she still kept voting for them, even after they kept saying they were going to overturn Roe. She said she thought it was "settled" and would never happen, but now that it has, she's living in fear because she realizes they fully intend to carry out their other plans and punish women who have had abortions.

by Anonymousreply 235October 29, 2024 12:54 AM

R235, is she still voting for Republicans this time?

by Anonymousreply 236October 29, 2024 12:58 AM

r235 I am not trying to be funny or mean. But come on now. Why wouldn't you tell your friend, who obviously is a bit mentally ill or something come on"From the 70s". Kamala Harris is going to win but how would that even legally make sense. Is she just kinda dramatic?

by Anonymousreply 237October 29, 2024 1:01 AM

I can say that types like her are not voting for him. It r235 but they are communicating to each other with knowing looks and nods. They are not voting for trump, just don’t expect them to campaign for Harris.

by Anonymousreply 238October 29, 2024 1:01 AM

She’s just not voting for President on her ballot.

Why does she think that something that she did in the 70s may end her in jail? Probably because dump said “women should be punished “ for having abortions AND the dumb cunt running for Hamilton county prosecutor said SHE would prosecute women who had abortions- as if it were “just another crime”.

It’s not dramatic at all. It’s a very REAL possibility.

by Anonymousreply 239October 29, 2024 1:18 AM

I'll take it, R239!

by Anonymousreply 240October 29, 2024 1:26 AM

Your friend’s finally got the Supreme Court she’s always been voting for. You should tell the old screw that she deserves everything Trump dishes out for having murdered her Thalidomide baby at the dawn of life.

“There’s no takesies backsies, buttercup. Pick yourself up by your bootstraps. Oh wait, they won’t let you have bootstraps in prison, will they? Oh well, just pray on it darlin’.”

by Anonymousreply 241October 29, 2024 2:15 AM

I agree, r241. But it took her own freedom being threatened before she realized what a problem their mindset is.

As long as she stays home on Election Day, I’m ok with it.

by Anonymousreply 242October 29, 2024 2:32 AM

I used to teach government so let me remind you of something. According to the United States Constitution, The new Congress shall convene on January 3rd. That date is written in the Constitution. That means if we carry t he House, and we really should, The Democrats will be in charge in the House, and Mike Johnson and Donald Trump can shove their "secrets" up their asses. Mike Johnson won't be in charge. We will. And Joe Biden will still be POTUS on January 6th and he will not sit at his dining room table and watch an insurrection on TV.

by Anonymousreply 243October 29, 2024 3:13 AM

The MSG fascist parade is actually a diluted version of who they really are. I’m surprised that any media outlet is feigning surprise that they said racist things, sexist things and set up the next coup (that mixed race dimwit couldn’t possibly get 85 million votes, no way, so we’ll “investigate” if she does, oh and we have a “little secret”)

What does surprise me is that the remaining MAGA flags in my area are in what we called growing up the “respectable” part of town. Big single family homes with pools and 4 car garages and maybe an RV or boat outside. They are not the forgotten people. They are the elite! They’re as rich as it gets in these parts, all college grads, most from some family money. Big giant Trump flags blowing in the breeze as some sort of fuck you to the rest of us but we were already fucked long before Trump came along! These people were always the big, rich fish in a small pond. Nobody has taken their jobs or eaten their pets. The population is still 95% white. Why are they angry, what are they signalling and have the no shame. All rhetorical questions. Luckily I have no contact with these people. I’ll never see them on the golf course. I mentally make peace with the lack of logic and then a few days later I once again think WHATS WRONG WITH THESE CUNTS

The NYT loves finding poor hicks who were let go from mines and factories. The “Ohio man in diner” types who left school at 16. And now they’re trying to do “young black male” who is not educated and is struggling economically. They never covered the very well off white people who support him openly. They are surrounded by those types, they’re all over NY and NJ. No need to go to West Virginia for a hick.

by Anonymousreply 244October 29, 2024 3:23 AM

I keep trying to comfort myself by reminding myself how many Trump voters from 2016 and 2020 have died -- from COVID, from old age.

by Anonymousreply 245October 29, 2024 11:39 AM

My gut says Trump is going to win, I don’t think Harris has sealed the deal. She’s the I’m not Trump candidate but nothing else really. If she loses, the Dems made a mistake not having an open convention, But the biggest mistake was Biden committing himself to a black female VP. Once he dropped out, not giving her the nod would have been seen as racist. Of course, black males not voting for Harris is now one of her weaknesses. Ironic.

Oh well. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised. I dread another Trump Presidency.

by Anonymousreply 246October 29, 2024 11:58 AM

But then, R245, there's all the young men who've come of age in the last 4-8 years to replace the dead. The cycle of life.

by Anonymousreply 247October 29, 2024 12:01 PM

So have young women, r247, who have watched their reproductive rights systematically stripped away.

by Anonymousreply 248October 29, 2024 12:17 PM

I could be wrong, was wrong in 2016 like almost all of us… but this morning with just 1 week to go, I’m optimistic. Harris defeats Trump. I’m no longer stressed out like the past two weeks… more like 10% worried I’m wrong, 90% sure I’m right and so eager to watch it happen.

Hugs to everyone else in here on Team Kamala, the stakes couldn’t be higher and Trump showed that in NYC on Sunday. Knock wood and pray but I feel it’s going to be a triumphant November. I don’t usually reduce American D vs R politics to a battle between Imperfect Good and Categorical Evil, but here we find ourselves and the absolutism feels accurate this time.

by Anonymousreply 249October 29, 2024 12:25 PM

A week to go. One side will be revealed to live in an echo chamber. Just pray it isn't ours.

by Anonymousreply 250October 29, 2024 12:31 PM

Succinctly and well said, R250.

by Anonymousreply 251October 29, 2024 12:40 PM

Unfortunately evil beats good lots of the time. But usually good triumphs in the end. But the end may not be this election.

by Anonymousreply 252October 29, 2024 12:40 PM

With all the battleground states polling so very close, it's hard to see now how it's anything better than a coin flip election.

by Anonymousreply 253October 29, 2024 12:50 PM

Hold Me David!

by Anonymousreply 254October 29, 2024 10:36 PM

R40 but who were considered human back then?

by Anonymousreply 255October 29, 2024 10:44 PM

[quote] One side will be revealed to live in an echo chamber. Just pray it isn't ours.

I don’t think anyone in their right mind disputes that DL is an echo chamber.

by Anonymousreply 256October 29, 2024 10:45 PM

[quote] Unfortunately evil beats good lots of the time. But usually good triumphs in the end.

The victor defines what “good” is, so no matter which side wins, they will define themselves as good. That’s how “good” always triumphs (until it’s overthrown and the new victors make their revisions to the past).

by Anonymousreply 257October 29, 2024 10:49 PM

I’m team Kamala and appreciate the hope here.Sadly no open convention but we have decent and accomplished person representing the continuing effort for a more perfect union. (Trump would only laugh at what I just posted…)

by Anonymousreply 258October 29, 2024 11:11 PM

[quote]Sadly no open convention

Take a break, Ivan. It was a masterful transition from Biden to Harris that MAGA thought would crush The Libs.

Surprise, surprise, Gomer, it didn't.

by Anonymousreply 259October 29, 2024 11:23 PM

I'm starting to feel sick about the mere possibility of him winning. Like physically ill.

by Anonymousreply 260October 29, 2024 11:54 PM

[quote]It was a masterful transition from Biden to Harris

Indeed it was! Truly masterful.

by Anonymousreply 261October 29, 2024 11:58 PM

[quote] I'm starting to feel sick about the mere possibility of him winning. Like physically ill.

I ate a whole General Tso’s Chicken last night and woke up feeling really bad in my chest and abdomen. When I got out of bed and walked to my office, my stomach started feeling queasy. I have some ginger chewsfor cruises and took one. After that, I felt fine.

by Anonymousreply 262October 29, 2024 11:59 PM

[quote]If she loses, the Dems made a mistake not having an open convention

The argument I heard was that given the tight time frame it would have turned into a futile internal battle that would have led to her nomination anyway. And it's easy to see that's the likeliest outcome.

I think she'll do it. They've just been such a horror show in the last two days that I think he message of everybody's exhaustion with him will resonate, in addition to those swayed on the choice argument.

I am less convinced we'll be able to count on it next Tuesday night. Will drag on recounts given the presumed narrow margins.

For me, I'm watching Florida for an important tell... followed by Georgia (not NC.. it always wants to vote Republican but sometimes doesn't.) But in Florida and Georgia I want to see the difference in the votes, because if its closer than anyone expects, that gives me more confidence that night waiting for the blue wall states and possibly Arizona and Nevada. I am not counting on her winning Georgia, but I don't rule it out. Anyway, I am putting a lot of inferred guidance on the early returns... I think that says where we're going in the swing states. I don't think PA will fail us.

by Anonymousreply 263October 30, 2024 12:06 AM

I will remember that, ginger chews for fascist agita.

by Anonymousreply 264October 30, 2024 12:08 AM

I'm feeling more optimistic today after seeing early-voting exit polls from Texas, which all broke dramatically for Kamala. (Somewhere on Reddit.) But I'm not confident, let alone over-confident. Anything can happen. I don't put much stock in such things, but it was good to see a bit of sunshine anyway.

I saw a Stephen Colbert clip from last night's monologue, in which he said Election Day next week would be the day we'll all stand naked in front of the Full-Length Mirror of Democracy and learn how far we've let ourselves go. I thought that was brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 265October 30, 2024 12:11 AM

[quote] he said Election Day next week would be the day we'll all stand naked in front of the Full-Length Mirror of Democracy

That is so old-fashioned. People use their phone camera to see how they look, even when standing in front of a mirror.

by Anonymousreply 266October 30, 2024 12:19 AM

Did early voting today. At noon (start time for voting there today) my nearest polling place had an hour-long wait to vote and they gave us the address of the next nearest polling place, a community center where the line was much shorter. It was gratifying to see so many people out voting early. I was thinking I should do this now because god forbid I’m sick on election day; this is the one unmissable election.. Now I don’t have to worry. Just wait and trying to be optimistic…..

by Anonymousreply 267October 30, 2024 12:21 AM

One thing is certain. No one is going to overlook the Electoral College the way Hillary's team seemed to in 2016. I think Kamala is going to win with a minimum of 272 electoral votes and probably even more.

by Anonymousreply 268October 30, 2024 12:25 AM

IDK if any of you all read Electoral Vote dot com, but they had an interesting letter they published today regarding senate vs presidential polls.

I’m linking it here, for you. The second letter also discusses this.

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by Anonymousreply 269October 30, 2024 12:32 AM

Harris is absolutely NAILING her DC Ellipse speech right now!!

So many things in the past few days just feels, all together, like the kind of landscape that will take 1-2 points from Trump and give them to Harris. Impossible to prove or quantity but it really does.

by Anonymousreply 270October 30, 2024 12:37 AM

Hope our friend Kamala is safe out there

by Anonymousreply 271October 30, 2024 12:43 AM

I saw that she was going to speaking there, but I didn’t realize it was tonight. Seems too soon.

by Anonymousreply 272October 30, 2024 12:44 AM

Yes-Bannon just got out.

by Anonymousreply 273October 30, 2024 12:44 AM

She is, r270. (I just started watching.)

by Anonymousreply 274October 30, 2024 12:48 AM

And no bullet proof shield.

by Anonymousreply 275October 30, 2024 12:48 AM

She will win.

by Anonymousreply 276October 30, 2024 12:52 AM

She’s so impressive. She’s exactly what our President should look like. But fuck me it should not be this close. Look at this speech and compare it to the ranting and raving of the obese old man. This should be 60/40 but so many Americans are as bitter and stupid as Donald.

by Anonymousreply 277October 30, 2024 12:56 AM

[quote]This should be 60/40

This SHOULD be 100/0.

by Anonymousreply 278October 30, 2024 12:58 AM

I just got my Approval Notice from Board of Elections so I can vote for the first time. I'm very excited.

by Anonymousreply 279October 30, 2024 1:35 AM

Congrats, r279!

by Anonymousreply 280October 30, 2024 1:44 AM

Really feel the momentum shifting towards Harris again! So excited!!

by Anonymousreply 281October 30, 2024 2:06 AM

[quote] That is so old-fashioned. People use their phone camera to see how they look, even when standing in front of a mirror.

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by Anonymousreply 282October 30, 2024 2:27 AM

She is everything anyone could want in a president. America, wise up!

by Anonymousreply 283October 30, 2024 3:14 AM

Let’s not get carried away, dear.

by Anonymousreply 284October 30, 2024 3:49 AM

Biden just reverse Uno carded the Puerto Rico momentum. This campaign went to great lengths to criticize the candidates and not the supporters (e.g. Bret Baier’s baiting) and now that’s in the toilet.

by Anonymousreply 285October 30, 2024 9:09 AM

Trump is betting that young males will be enough to carry him. History suggests it is a bad bet that they will show up to vote, but it’s not impossible.

by Anonymousreply 286October 30, 2024 9:34 AM

Kamala will win. I feel 100% confident.

by Anonymousreply 287October 30, 2024 9:43 AM

Guardedly optimistic

Faith in my country

by Anonymousreply 288October 30, 2024 9:56 AM

Jittery and apprehensive. I'm so afraid stupid voters will choke and vote for Shitler because they can't handle the idea of a woman. -- no matter who it is -- as president. I really don't have much faith in U.S. voters. Interesting, though, to see the amount and make-up of crowds doing early voting. I hope women will make Harris Walz happen and have the way for DUMP'S future in PRISON.

by Anonymousreply 289October 30, 2024 11:21 AM

I keep having flashbacks to 2016 when the NYTimes put Clinton's chances of winning at 90% in the days leading up to the election.

I'm trying not to look at any polls between now and Tuesday. They feel so meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 290October 30, 2024 1:00 PM

I also so damn sick of the left-wing media's continuing obsession with "understanding" Trump voters. BASTA!!!

by Anonymousreply 291October 30, 2024 1:06 PM

[quote]This should be 60/40 but so many Americans are as bitter and stupid as Donald.

Not bitter and stupid just comfortably racist in their white privilege.

by Anonymousreply 292October 30, 2024 1:27 PM

Here's all we have to understand about Trump voters, R291: they're deeply and rightly troubled by an economic system that has impoverished them and taken away the opportunities their parents and grandparents had ...

... but they're not interested in any solution that doesn't discriminate against dark-skinned people.

by Anonymousreply 293October 30, 2024 1:40 PM

If Republicans win, they are planning to drive us all off the cliff. Tariffs, unfunded tax cuts, and mass deportation will help Americans understand how actual hyperinflation feels. Buckle up.

by Anonymousreply 294October 30, 2024 1:43 PM

You can get white people to attack any "other" citizen as long as you tell them that the "other" is taking their cookie.

Republicans have been creating Enemies From Within ever since the Berlin Wall fell.

Republicans always need an enemy. Trump is the ultimate incarnation of this envy, fear and retribution loop.

by Anonymousreply 295October 30, 2024 1:47 PM

Fuck that, r293. I know of plenty of well-off people voting for Dump. They're not racist because they're poor. They're racist because they're shitty people.

by Anonymousreply 296October 30, 2024 1:48 PM

It’s not just racism. It’s greed and nastiness. There are plenty who think the leopards will only eat other people’s faces.

by Anonymousreply 297October 30, 2024 2:06 PM

Girls, girls, you’re both right!

The rich assholes were Ronald Reagan assholes decades ago, and they’ll continue voting Republican for decades hence despite how disgusting their party has become.

The poors coalesced around a form of putative Republican assholery when Obama got the nomination in 2008. That was the spark that lit the tinderbox of waning white power on fire. Cue birthirism, cue Palin and teabaggers, finally cue Trump and the fall of any facade of fiscal concerns. Trump has allowed them to stop pretending to not be totally racist and cruel, to be unashamed that they are mostly motivated by cruelty and kicking dogs whom they perceive to be even lower in the totem pole than themselves.

by Anonymousreply 298October 30, 2024 2:07 PM

What are you all doing to protect your savings if the Republicans get in? Given their past history and present policies it's kind of a given that the economy will crash. On top of that, they're obviously plutocrats whose only constant policy goal is to funnel the hard-earned wealth of the many in the bank accounts of the few. Is there any way of changing my retirement accounts to make them as secure as possible?

by Anonymousreply 299October 30, 2024 2:38 PM

I have moved into Treasury Bills and Bonds. If the Republicans fuck up the economy, interest rates will soar.

Just to remind folks, if the economy tanks, it usually tanks fourth quarter.

by Anonymousreply 300October 30, 2024 3:00 PM

R294, R300, I so agree. I was talking to my investment guy yesterday to say what do we do in advance, what do we do if. He said none of his clients have made any substantial changes. I don't think people understand how much economic chaos Trump's policies (if you can call them that) will cause. Markets like predictability. That's not a Trump word.

by Anonymousreply 301October 30, 2024 3:05 PM

I don’t think there is a way to predict where money will be safe. If Trump or Musk get some wacky ideas about how to settle debt, bonds are not going to be a smart place. If there is inflation, you could be holding on to stagnant assets.

I am going to wait things out and definitely won’t make major changes. If there is anything these asshats value, it’s the stock market.

by Anonymousreply 302October 30, 2024 3:06 PM

I have to think the advance vote turnout largely favors Harris. Trump's polling - assuming it's correct - can't crack 50%. There is no enthusiasm for him and presumably a lot of weariness. Surely these must be people motivated, in the majority, just to stop this from happening again. I could be wrong but I can't look at the mood out there and see a big swing to Trump such that you'd vote early.

by Anonymousreply 303October 30, 2024 3:06 PM

Not a great idea to gamble your investment portfolio on an election, R299, but I’d you feel strongly, here goes:

Roughly, subtract your age from 80 and put no more than that resulting number (as a percentage) of your retirement accounts into equities. [i.e., If you’re 50 years old, put a max of 30% into stocks.]

Put the rest into insured, shortish term CDs. If the market truly crashes you’ll still have a majority of your account. When interest rates hike up, you’ll soon roll over the short term CD’s into better paying instruments; and you’ll avoid some of the hit bonds would take in a rising interest rate environment.

If tRump loses and the market soars, you’ll make “some” money, and your short term CDs will soon be available to add to the pot.

by Anonymousreply 304October 30, 2024 3:19 PM

EVERYONE I know is REVED up for this election, something I dont; see alot in other elections

by Anonymousreply 305October 30, 2024 3:21 PM

Ok - what kind of people do you know, r305?

by Anonymousreply 306October 30, 2024 3:23 PM

R306, all good people

by Anonymousreply 307October 30, 2024 3:24 PM

The very best people? A lot of people say so.

by Anonymousreply 308October 30, 2024 3:30 PM

I fucking hate that hypocritical, opportunistic scum JD more than ever today, twisting Joe's comments to rile people up. I wish his meemaw had thrown him down a well, then shat on him.

by Anonymousreply 309October 30, 2024 3:32 PM

One of the best things about this election season was watching DeSantis' political ambitions die. Another great moment will be to see JD go back into the cave he came from, realizing that all the political calculations that he made to suddenly latch on to Trump, killed any hope of a political future.

by Anonymousreply 310October 30, 2024 3:39 PM

[quote]Nate Silver - "If Harris loses you're going to get a hot take with the power of Arcturus from me about Joe Biden."

Silver needs to fucking retire after this election.

by Anonymousreply 311October 30, 2024 3:42 PM

r310 I think DeSantis knows Trump will lose or at least is secretly hoping he will, that's why he's been so quiet this election season. He'll come back in 2028, no doubt about it.

by Anonymousreply 312October 30, 2024 3:43 PM

I feel like 51% of the country is in abusive marriage with MAGA. Every tactic they use is straight from the abusive wife beater's manual - no surprise that their strongest support comes from weak little wife beaters and young men who have achieved nothing and want to drag the rest of us down to their level. They cheat but say we're cheating. They lie but say we're liars. They stoke violence but say we're the enemy within. They deny election results but say we're the threat to democracy. They call the country a shithole but say we're unpatriotic. Their candidate is a imbecile but they call ours low IQ.

by Anonymousreply 313October 30, 2024 4:05 PM

Thanks to all for the financial advice. FTR I'm 10-15 years away from retirement and am worth about $1m, most of it in the market, which obviously I don't want to lose. And I'm not planning on moving anything around before the election.

by Anonymousreply 314October 30, 2024 4:46 PM

Who's gonna get all those assets after you die? I just assume you're childless.

by Anonymousreply 315October 30, 2024 4:50 PM

If I die before retirement or right after I retire, I intend to leave it to my siblings and their kids. No, you can't have my stuff!

by Anonymousreply 316October 30, 2024 5:02 PM

[quote] I'm 10-15 years away from retirement and am worth about $1m

No disrespect but you'll be fine. Don't do anything rash, people like a mil in their 40s/50s won't be totally screwed over by Repukes because their core non MAGA base is people on your level. You could even do better (financially) if they go to town.

by Anonymousreply 317October 30, 2024 5:56 PM

It is rather odd that DeSantis isn't campaigning for Trump. Honestly, hardly any major GOP politician is.

by Anonymousreply 318October 30, 2024 6:06 PM

Silver needs to be tossed down that well with Jimmy and shat on.

Just to be sure.

by Anonymousreply 319October 30, 2024 6:09 PM

Even back in his heyday Silver looked like he was loaded on something (my guess was opiates) with lint on his eyebrows and his dirty Detroit Tigers bb hats. He always looked like he had bad breath and armpit stink.

In the great "realignment" of politic factions, there is also an ongoing shift in news analysis and expertise. The great newspapers are irrelevant. The networks and cable news are irrelevant. Polling services are like fastfood outlets or Big Pharma ads for new drugs. "Expertise" is found in one's digital media bubbles, podcasts, memes.

The world is more shallow and harsher at the same time. Fuck the internet.

by Anonymousreply 320October 30, 2024 6:16 PM

I'm feeling great!! Harris' closing rally at the Ellipse in DC was amazing--energetic and positive.

She hammered have we all have to get away from the negativity that's Trump. It's so true--I really feel that, when he is defeated, even MAGA will turn on him as a BIG LOSER

by Anonymousreply 321October 30, 2024 6:23 PM

R304, dumb question, probably, but if most of your retirement assets are in a 401k, how do you get them into CDs without a tax hit?

I put my 401k mostly into bonds and low-risk stocks back in 2016 and have done pretty well.

by Anonymousreply 322October 30, 2024 6:24 PM

The economy is projected to be pretty good for whomever is President next. Dem Presidents usually set up the country well like that.

The second the GOP passes another tax cut for the rich, get ready for a recession. But then, a dem will win next and make the country financially more sound again

by Anonymousreply 323October 30, 2024 6:27 PM

I know they are losing because my feed today is full of 'Christian' men saying that women should not be able to vote, that husbands should fill out ballots and that wives who vote in person cannot be trusted to vote Trump. They are seeing women in their own families, workplaces and churches turning away for Trump and they are scared shitless. As they should be.

by Anonymousreply 324October 30, 2024 6:36 PM

[quote]for whomever is President next

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 325October 30, 2024 6:44 PM

[quote] I'm 10-15 years away from retirement and am worth about $1m

Hi daddy! Like younger men?

by Anonymousreply 326October 30, 2024 6:50 PM

R323 Where are you getting your info? Even Musk this morning said that Trump's plans would cause great hardship for middle and working class people (because the whole economy needs to be dismantled and rebuilt). Peterson Institute estimates that inflation may go to 10% and above with Trump's plans. The tariffs may well crater the domestic economy with Trump arbitrarily picking a choosers losers and winners.

Billionaires will be fine, they always are. Every crisis leverages more wealth to those already wealthy. But for most of us, Trump would be disaster.

by Anonymousreply 327October 30, 2024 7:06 PM

Polls are garbage!

by Anonymousreply 328October 30, 2024 8:26 PM

[quote] Polls are garbage!

That reminds me of the Seinfeld episode in which Seinfeld was volunteering to spend time with an elderly man. The old man had a line about garbage.

by Anonymousreply 329October 30, 2024 8:29 PM
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by Anonymousreply 330October 30, 2024 8:30 PM

Rick Wilson doesn’t know the difference between “the people that surround her” and half of all the voters in the country? Harris has already distanced herself from the Biden comment, she’s not going to want to encourage people to keep thinking about it.

by Anonymousreply 331October 30, 2024 8:36 PM

We’re here because whites can’t bare the browning of Amercia.

by Anonymousreply 332October 30, 2024 8:37 PM

[quote] Rick Wilson doesn’t know the difference between “the people that surround her” and half of all the voters in the country? Harris has already distanced herself from the Biden comment, she’s not going to want to encourage people to keep thinking about it.

The people Biden "offended" were already voting for Trump so no harm done in his telling the truth

by Anonymousreply 333October 30, 2024 8:39 PM

[quote] The people Biden "offended" were already voting for Trump so no harm done in his telling the truth

As others have pointed out, what matters now is the GOTV and the motivators to get people to vote. Coaches know better than to trash talk their opponents before a game and give them motivation.

by Anonymousreply 334October 30, 2024 8:47 PM

I am not worried about her winning. I believe she will. But I am worried about the tricks and games Trump will play with the electors. They believe they have the swing states wired so that electors can refuse or can drop out to make it so the House will have to do something that lets Trump win. Trickery. But I don't see how they can. Article in The Nation suggested they could manipulate the electoral votes in Swing states. I just don't see how.

by Anonymousreply 335October 31, 2024 4:06 AM

R324 And now Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes are out with this narrative. Nick says if Trump loses, blame women. Charlie railing against wives not voting for Trump when their husbands are working their asses off to give them a good life. Then Trump says he was told to stop saying he’ll protect woman before saying it anyway “whether they like it or not.”

Pathetic but the internal polling must show Kamala ahead now with even working class white women.

by Anonymousreply 336October 31, 2024 4:32 AM

R332, keep thinking that and the Democrats will never win the Presidency again. You’re also going to be very sad when the browning of America makes the country more reactionary.

by Anonymousreply 337October 31, 2024 4:36 AM

I think she'll win. It will be so exciting, the first woman president. She's intelligent and caring, it's time for a woman's touch.

by Anonymousreply 338October 31, 2024 4:43 AM

R332, it's bear.

by Anonymousreply 339October 31, 2024 5:03 AM

How anyone cannot be worried that Harris will win, that is 100% sure of her winning, is beyond my comprehension. It really all comes down to turnout.

by Anonymousreply 340October 31, 2024 5:04 AM

I don’t think she’s going to win, but I’m always the pessimist. If by some chance she does win, Trump’s Supreme Court is going to jump through hoops to find a way to pull a bush-v-gore on steroids.

by Anonymousreply 341October 31, 2024 5:13 AM

[quote]Kamala will win. I feel 100% confident.

I'll go with whatever the numbers show instead of going with feelings.

by Anonymousreply 342October 31, 2024 7:51 AM

[quote] Here's all we have to understand about Trump voters, [R291]: they're deeply and rightly troubled by an economic system that has impoverished them and taken away the opportunities their parents and grandparents had ...

Are you seriously saying our grand-parents had more money or a better standard of living than we do today?

by Anonymousreply 343October 31, 2024 9:48 AM

I don’t want to alarm anyone but I believe we got some real live lesbians on this here platform-is that an ok thing?

by Anonymousreply 344October 31, 2024 10:01 AM
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by Anonymousreply 345October 31, 2024 10:29 AM

Good to see Trump pissing off women even more.

by Anonymousreply 346October 31, 2024 10:37 AM

[quote]Trump thinks Harris is going to be President.

Fabulous. That will make him act like an even bigger lunatic in the next few days.

by Anonymousreply 347October 31, 2024 12:54 PM

Not necessarily, R343, but they had to work less hard for it (e.g. middle class household with college for the kids, adequate health care, vacations, and perhaps even a vacation place on a single unionized blue-collar income without crushing debt, as well as a comfortable retirement assured by SS and pensions—much harder to achieve today).

by Anonymousreply 348October 31, 2024 1:09 PM

I'd love for the Mooch to give us some background for his belief that "Trump thinks Harris is going to be President."

by Anonymousreply 349October 31, 2024 1:36 PM

I'm terrified. I wish I was a (silly) pot smoker.

by Anonymousreply 350October 31, 2024 1:39 PM

NYS Gov Kathy Hochul said she believes Trump holding that rally in MSG was a surrender. She thinks he knows it’s OVER.

by Anonymousreply 351October 31, 2024 2:29 PM

Anybody who thinks that there would be a free and fair election after a Trump win is kidding themselves. Democracy would die with a Trump win. Democracy is fragile and Americans take it for granted at their peril

Look at how Putin turned Russia into an autocracy for the blueprint.

by Anonymousreply 352October 31, 2024 2:40 PM

R352 Is correct. We will turn into an illiberal democracy, like Hungary. We will have all the trappings of a free society -- a free press, free elections, etc -- but the truth is the autocrat in charge will run everything as he wishes.

by Anonymousreply 353October 31, 2024 3:15 PM

To be fair, there was much less support for democracy in Russia and Hungary than there is in the US, which has a long history of government by the people, both in rhetoric and in everyday practice. But the MAGAs will do everything they can to destroy that tradition.

by Anonymousreply 354October 31, 2024 3:19 PM

Kamala's final schedule is out. Monday night is Philly, no guests listed - I wonder if Taylor Swift will appear?

by Anonymousreply 355October 31, 2024 3:22 PM

Got a link R355? I was just wondering, where will she be these next few clincher days. Which states get a visit and which ones don't.

by Anonymousreply 356October 31, 2024 3:25 PM

The last 5 days -

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by Anonymousreply 357October 31, 2024 3:31 PM

[quote] Kamala's final schedule is out. Monday night is Philly, no guests listed - I wonder if Taylor Swift will appear?

If she’s wanting to do an exact repeat of Hillary’s finale, it would include the Obamas and Springsteen.

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by Anonymousreply 358October 31, 2024 3:32 PM

Like most of us in here I'm predicting a Harris victory but not feeling certain about it. But lately I'm thinking a lot about "then what?" It just feels like the nation is profoundly divided, I've never experienced it like this before. Such a chasm. Two wholly different media/information hives and two different value systems, if you can even call the Trump/MAGA side "values" in terms of what they operate on. And the divide is evenly matched, side against side.

If Harris wins, the Trumpy/MAGA GOP will fight back with everything they have.

If Trump wins, our side will fight back with everything we have...and I will join that fight. More with $$ than with my own body (I'm old)

At some visceral level, a large % of Americans will not accept the winner, psychologically, as "my President." I never for one day accepted Trump 2017-2020 in that way, internally, and tens of millions of people on the Trump side actually literally still believe the Big Lie that Biden stole the election and Trump was criminally robbed of his second term.

This deep divide is here to stay for the foreseeable future.

by Anonymousreply 359October 31, 2024 3:33 PM

[quote] The last 5 days -

The Harris campaign people clearly don’t want to be compared to Mook. They have Harris is all seven battleground states the final five days.

by Anonymousreply 360October 31, 2024 3:36 PM

R359, I think then what a lot, too.

First, then what depends a great deal on how Congress breaks.

Second, above all, I think this breaks Trump. He'll have nothing to protect him from his legal woes, there will be white livered old school Republicans tripping over each other to seize the party back and a Republican civil war will ensue... wherever it goes, Trumpism is diminished to the point of pointlessness. Even he couldn't sustain it forever, there's not much hope Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz or Majorie Taylor Greene can. So that's the best then what.

I agree the divide exists and is a problem but I still think the fever is broken. I'm not sure where that goes, but I do think it's better than worse, overall. The road to recovery, maybe?

by Anonymousreply 361October 31, 2024 3:39 PM

Then what? Little conversation on the threads of DL about the House. It looks very hard for Dems to win the Senate, but it's looking better and better for them in the House. If Harris is President and the Dems have the House, they are going to get a lot done. And, I think, a lot of things for middle and working class MAGA. Call me a foolish optimist - but I think Harris is serious about "you people who don't like me, but I am going to invite you to get a seat at the table." I expect multiple Republicans in the Cabinet. Neo-Conservative Secretaries of State and Defense.

I am a leftist Dem... I won't like all of these accommodations to the Right, there will be a lot of pushback from progressives. This will make MAGA happy. I think the future's so bright we got to wear shades.

by Anonymousreply 362October 31, 2024 4:05 PM

I don't know about the fever breaking, but inevitably, the miserable old perv will drop dead or stroke out to the point he's even more incapacitated than he is now. Not as soon as we'd like, but it will happen. With no clear MAGA successor (and it most certainly will not be JD), MAGA will break into factions. I don't think the divide will necessarily change, but they'll be so disjointed, they won't be able to agree on the time of day. So while the immediate concern is getting Kamala elected, there is the "what comes next?" question

by Anonymousreply 363October 31, 2024 4:05 PM

[quote] This will make MAGA happy.

It will not. They will call those people evil, traitors, anti-Christs. They will never be happy because they are in a cult.

[quote} I think the future's so bright we got to wear shades.

Agreed on that.

by Anonymousreply 364October 31, 2024 4:13 PM

Expect the NYT and CNN to push Harris to pardon Trump. Expect them to blame her for not 'healing the country'

by Anonymousreply 365October 31, 2024 4:14 PM

R364 I think what we "may" see in the first few years of the Harris presidency is that MAGA is not as solid as we think. There are many factions of MAGA, it is, in fact, a coalition. I think it's possible the coalition may start to fall apart. Not holding my breath, but I think change is possible.

R365 I think she should pardon him. "Pardon" is predicated on an acknowledgement of guilt. It also puts here in a dominant position in reference to him. "Hon, you are weak, I am strong, and I am going to pardon you as long as you turn yourself in to assisted living."

by Anonymousreply 366October 31, 2024 4:20 PM

[quote] Little conversation on the threads of DL about the House.

I agree that it’s weird how little discussion or press coverage there is about the control of the House. Looking at the last seven polls for the generic Congressional vote, two show a tie between Democrats and Republicans and the rest show voters’ support of the Republicans as +1 to +4 over the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 367October 31, 2024 4:20 PM

Surprised with that final schedule's inclusion of both North Carolina & Arizona since, per both John Heilemann & David Axelrod, the campaign effectively no longer views those states as among the remaining battlegrounds. Let's see if that schedule holds.

by Anonymousreply 368October 31, 2024 4:24 PM

Any President who tries to stoke an insurrection, who casts doubt on free and fair elections, who is on tape trying to 'find' votes and who laughed when his rhetoric caused Paul Pelosi to almost die has crossed the line imo. A pardon tells the JD Vance's of the world to take another swing. Stoke up all up again, cheat and if it doesn't work then say you won anyway and get pardoned.

by Anonymousreply 369October 31, 2024 4:29 PM

[quote] If Harris is President and the Dems have the House, they are going to get a lot done.

Factor in the diminishment of MAGA, the old school Republicans trying to reassert dominance and there's a real possibility they can work with a Republican senate. It won't be love in, but it might be made to work. If Trump loses, MAGA is spent. Not gone, but spent.

by Anonymousreply 370October 31, 2024 4:52 PM

At this point, there's nothing to pardon him for.

She can't pardon the state convictions, the federal cases haven't been heard yet, so no verdict resulting in conviction.

Moreover, she's really got to keep her hands off the federal cases, given all the nonsense about interference.

Politically, Trump tied up trying to cope with consequences is the best scenario.

by Anonymousreply 371October 31, 2024 4:57 PM

She should consider commuting any extended sentence(s) at the end of her first term; but pardon? - No Way.

by Anonymousreply 372October 31, 2024 4:58 PM

[quote] per both John Heilemann & David Axelrod, the campaign effectively no longer views those states as among the remaining battlegrounds

So those sages think the Harris campaign sees NC and AZ going red?

by Anonymousreply 373October 31, 2024 5:00 PM

I just voted! Go Kammy!!!!! There was so much excitement in the room and, I dunno, it made me feel hopeful.

by Anonymousreply 374October 31, 2024 5:01 PM

R248 is a deplorable concern troll and I’m disappointed that no one has called it out.

by Anonymousreply 375October 31, 2024 5:09 PM

Here comes Taylor -

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by Anonymousreply 376October 31, 2024 5:20 PM

[quote] The Harris campaign people clearly don’t want to be compared to Mook. They have Harris is all seven battleground states the final five days.

If she doesn't win it wont be for lack of effort.

I am very optimistic she will win.

by Anonymousreply 377October 31, 2024 5:26 PM

[quote] Here comes Taylor -

OMG! If she shows up in PA I promise not to shade her for the rest of the year.

by Anonymousreply 378October 31, 2024 5:28 PM

NC has just been bumped UP towards Harris on all the sites. Not down.

Go Kamala!

by Anonymousreply 379October 31, 2024 5:34 PM

There is a huge surge of PAC money going into NC so it makes since that Kamala campaign stepped aside and moved that money around. It’s more effective that way.

by Anonymousreply 380October 31, 2024 5:37 PM

No one cares what CNN wants or says about Orange Jesus being pardoned.

The people on that station are barely keeping their jobs as it is.

by Anonymousreply 381October 31, 2024 5:42 PM

I’m pretty sure Taylor is on tour. She probably has a show that night. Wouldn’t it take 2 seconds to google her tour schedule?

by Anonymousreply 382October 31, 2024 6:26 PM

Orbán speaks with Trump ahead of Election Day

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by Anonymousreply 383October 31, 2024 6:26 PM

In truth, r359, “everything they’ve got” is pretty pathetic when you take stock of it.

He’s still got the same shitty lawyers that he had in 2020, except two of them are disbarred.

We have Marc Elias plus Andrew Weismann, Neal Katyal and a cat of thousands (throw Democracy Docket some $ if you can spare it).

They have a bunch of armed dumb fucks, their militia “leaders” are in prison for their last coup attempt. Joe is in charge of the military, and Democrats control the governorships in MI, PA, WI, AZ, NC, and thus the National Guard.

What those cunts have is loud screaming, feet stomping and threats. They have nothing substantial to WIN.

They’re pathetic Freddy Krueger like villains - deprive them of oxygen and they die. They feed off of our fear of their ragefits.

I say let the motherfuckers strike the fuck out and good riddance to the lot of them.

by Anonymousreply 384October 31, 2024 6:30 PM

R382 that’s what is intriguing. Swift has tour dates Nov 1-3 but none on Monday the 4th (Election eve).

by Anonymousreply 385October 31, 2024 6:31 PM

NY TIMES is calling out the fake polls today on the front page. Bravo:

Why the Right Thinks Trump Is Running Away With the Race

Skewed polls and anonymous betting markets are building up Republicans’ expectations. Donald Trump could use that to challenge the result.

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by Anonymousreply 386October 31, 2024 6:32 PM

But, R384, they have the Supreme Court.

by Anonymousreply 387October 31, 2024 6:32 PM

R385. Interesting!

by Anonymousreply 388October 31, 2024 6:34 PM

And Roberts is still smarting from the backlash they got over “presidential immunity”, Thomas has just been exposed for taking even MORE lavish gifts and Alito has been outed as a pussy whipped talibangelical.

They are very aware that they have a shitty approval rating from the public and reinstalling the traitor AFTER his coup attempt may be a bridge too far for most of them. (Roberts and Covid Amy especially)

by Anonymousreply 389October 31, 2024 6:37 PM

Gentleman caller, Mike Rogers, hosts Miz Lindz in Michigan.

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by Anonymousreply 390October 31, 2024 6:41 PM

“talibangelical”

Tee hee

by Anonymousreply 391October 31, 2024 6:41 PM

Is it me, or are all evangelical preachers child molesters?

They busted another one just yesterday.

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by Anonymousreply 392October 31, 2024 6:45 PM

Our economy is going gangbusters. Biden/Harris lowered inflation without triggering a recession. We're doing better than most of the rest of the world with regards to inflation right now. Prices are still high but incomes have risen even higher.

The GOP always runs against the Dems by claiming the economy is terrible even if it's doing well. Once they gain office, suddenly the GOP take complete credit for the good economy

by Anonymousreply 393October 31, 2024 6:49 PM

Gas is plummeting.

Starting to see rents dip and they have brought back incentives for new cars.

Also all the fast food places have brought back the dollar menus and deals.

Grocers are all owned by the same 3 companies so Harris will work to break them up and bring down costs. And build millions of new homes.

by Anonymousreply 394October 31, 2024 6:50 PM

[quote]The GOP always runs against the Dems by claiming the economy is terrible even if it's doing well.

People don't need the GOP to tell them how they feel about the economy. They have bills to pay, groceries to buy and they know their own financial situation.

All polling shows that people feel the economy is doing poorly.

by Anonymousreply 395October 31, 2024 6:56 PM

And yet Harris is still winning. So they must not be too upset about the economy. She polls well on economic issues.

by Anonymousreply 396October 31, 2024 7:00 PM

[quote] I’m pretty sure Taylor is on tour. She probably has a show that night. Wouldn’t it take 2 seconds to google her tour schedule?

OMG! If Taylor Swift cancels a concert to show up in PA I promise not to shade her before March 2025.

by Anonymousreply 397October 31, 2024 7:04 PM

[quote]And yet Harris is still winning. So they must not be too upset about the economy. She polls well on economic issues.

What reputable poll is showing her winning?

According to all reputable polls, the election is still a toss-up.

Kamala does have a slight lead in the national election, but down significantly from her lead of 2 months ago.

by Anonymousreply 398October 31, 2024 7:12 PM

Look at this cretin

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by Anonymousreply 399October 31, 2024 7:14 PM

[quote] If Harris is President and the Dems have the House, they are going to get a lot done.

How is that possible with a Republican Senate?

by Anonymousreply 400October 31, 2024 7:15 PM

[quote] People don't need the GOP to tell them how they feel about the economy. They have bills to pay, groceries to buy and they know their own financial situation. All polling shows that people feel the economy is doing poorly.

People are not used to the high prices and what that means. It's the GOP telling them that it must mean that the economy is bad. Inflation was up after the pandemic because of choked off supply chains, but now it's down to the standard 2%--but the GOP keep yelling about high inflation.

While prices went up, so did incomes. Unemployment is at record lows.

They used a thriving economy against Clinton, Obama, and now Biden. It's nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 401October 31, 2024 7:21 PM

I can't even imagine what would happen with Trump and a GOP Senate. The worst will be more conservative SCOTUS and Federal Court judges

by Anonymousreply 402October 31, 2024 7:23 PM

R400, I suspect that if Democrats win the House and White House, a Republican Senate would have a very small majority and not feel enough popular support to be obstructionist. It wouldn't take much to pull away a few votes on crucial issues (e.g. Murkowski and Collins). Look at how even Johnson's little tiny House majority has been fairly acquiescent.

by Anonymousreply 403October 31, 2024 7:27 PM

[quote]People are not used to the high prices and what that means. It's the GOP telling them that it must mean that the economy is bad.

GOP or no GOP, A Dem President or a GOP President, high prices have always been equated with a poor economy in the mind of the public.

Prices are WAY up compared to 4 years ago and people do not need the GOP to tell them so.

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by Anonymousreply 404October 31, 2024 7:29 PM

THIS Republican/MAGA party, R403?! Everett Dirksen ain't coming back from the dead to make deals.

by Anonymousreply 405October 31, 2024 7:35 PM

[quote] GOP or no GOP, A Dem President or a GOP President, high prices have always been equated with a poor economy in the mind of the public.

It's the GOP that made that connection. The economy is, in reality, far more than prices.

by Anonymousreply 406October 31, 2024 7:37 PM

Prices are up but, everywhere I go, restaurants are packed. Stores are getting ready for a record holiday season.

by Anonymousreply 407October 31, 2024 7:38 PM

R405, Senators aren't quite as MAGA as the (gerrymandered) House. In a narrow majority a few could be peeled away under popular pressure.

by Anonymousreply 408October 31, 2024 7:43 PM

[quote]It's the GOP that made that connection.

You don't know what you are talking about. How old are you?

George H. W. Bush lost to Bill Clinton because of a bad economy and high prices.

by Anonymousreply 409October 31, 2024 7:47 PM

I would like to know what we, the Democratic part of the US, are going to do/are supposed to do if Trump wins this election. I have seen absolutely nothing about plans or resources (legal, organizational, constitutional) would be available to us as citizens. Can I trust that someone is thinking of this but just not saying? Would that be because no one wants to broach the subject right now while we're still living in hope and doing everything we can?

BTW, I voted, have donated frequently, and am going to a swing state this weekend for a GOTV effort. I feel like I would have heard or read something by now that goes into what citizens and their representatives can do in the face of a government that wants to become authoritarian.

by Anonymousreply 410October 31, 2024 7:57 PM

[quote] I would like to know what we, the Democratic part of the US, are going to do/are supposed to do if Trump wins this election. I have seen absolutely nothing about plans or resources (legal, organizational, constitutional) would be available to us as citizens.

Can’t you look to see how Republicans have managed the last four years under Biden or how the Democrats did in the four years before that under Trump? No need to reinvent the wheel.

by Anonymousreply 411October 31, 2024 8:10 PM

r380, it is tough to run with Trump, who says women must be punished, and the Lt governor of NC,

who says SOME PEOPLE NEED KILLING!

NC goes Blue.

by Anonymousreply 412October 31, 2024 8:14 PM

R410, the ACLU is on it. Admittedly partly because their fundraising would go thru the roof. But mostly because it’s their very mission.

Other orgs and Democratic leaders have been gaming it out as well but, as you say, now’s not the moment. Now is the time to go all in on trying to win elections.

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by Anonymousreply 413October 31, 2024 8:17 PM

Yes, R404, you seem to have quite the vested interest in repeating that and multiple posting about it.

by Anonymousreply 414October 31, 2024 8:22 PM

Thank you, r413.

by Anonymousreply 415October 31, 2024 8:24 PM

The Church Lady at R414 has spoken.

by Anonymousreply 416October 31, 2024 8:25 PM

Nobody cares about groceries anymore. That was 3 months ago.

Jan 6th and Abortion are the leading issues in the closing days.

Nobody even remembers the inflation caused by Trump.

by Anonymousreply 417October 31, 2024 8:26 PM

Wow, the ACLU sure has a lot of articles on trans rights on their site. It's been a long time since I was over there, and it seems curious, considering everything else that's going on.

by Anonymousreply 418October 31, 2024 8:32 PM

r404 seems to forget that Biden was in charge of the W Bush economic fuck up recovery and even in8 years not all sectors were restored. Then you take the masterful Biden recovery to the fucked up Trump Pandemic ans for the first time in economic history stated that the US government would take the hit and flooded the states with recovery money from the ARP Act and changes to the IR Act. And for the first time in history NO ANTICIPATED DEPRESSION, NO ANTICIPATED RECESSION. All done with MINIMAL pain to the American Consumer.

What was missing was typical Republican pain and suffering inflicted on Americans. Unlike the implosion of the Savings and Loans through Republican greed and the ensuing Reagan Recession, with huge interest rates and massive unemployment, Biden finessed a pain free recovery. But people only REMEMBER PAIN. You have to suffer to get to the good times and Biden deprived us. That is why people are bitching about groceries while flying the family to Grandma's.

But rest assured, Republicans will be bitching about the deficit and debt as soon as Dems want to expand Social Security, Medicaid and the ACA. But Dems have that covered.

by Anonymousreply 419October 31, 2024 8:33 PM

If someone is a single issue voter, and that single issue isn’t inflation or the economy, then of course inflation and the economy won’t be influencing them. However, normal people who aren’t single issue voters will of course be looking at the huge increase in prices between 2021 and now.

by Anonymousreply 420October 31, 2024 8:33 PM

Yes, as you’ve posted in one thread multiple times.

by Anonymousreply 421October 31, 2024 8:45 PM

[quote]Nobody cares about groceries anymore.

What is your evidence for that except for your feelings about it?

by Anonymousreply 422October 31, 2024 9:12 PM

Then she can kiss her re-election GOODBYE, R366.

by Anonymousreply 423October 31, 2024 9:24 PM

Speaking of — This maybe ain’t the thread to soapbox and bicker at great length about the inflation surge of ‘22 and its impact on the economy and the voters. How are you feeling about the election?

by Anonymousreply 424October 31, 2024 9:28 PM

The current economic problems such as inflation - all over the world - are COVID FALLOUT. I don’t know why this is such a secret, I don’t know why Harris doesn’t mention it. The economy is in the slow process of recovering, it isn’t anyone’s fault.

by Anonymousreply 425October 31, 2024 9:45 PM

Democrats won the Senate in 2022 at the peak of inflation.

by Anonymousreply 426October 31, 2024 9:52 PM

R400 R403 The Senate is always "more dignified, more bipartisan" than the House... always has been, is that way by Constitutional design. As an example, the vaunted Immigration Bill that Trump axed was, in essence, a Republican-sponsored bill (Langford). That would get done quickly.

Also, "I am going to reach across to Republicans, you have a seat at my table", that Harris, will explore how to re-assemble Washington realities. AND... the Repub majority in the Senate will not be more than a couple seats. So, yep, Collins or Murkowski can help....

by Anonymousreply 427October 31, 2024 10:27 PM

[quote]I suspect that if Democrats win the House and White House, a Republican Senate would have a very small majority and not feel enough popular support to be obstructionist.

[quote]Senators aren't quite as MAGA as the (gerrymandered) House. In a narrow majority a few could be peeled away under popular pressure.

Do people honestly believe this shit?

by Anonymousreply 428October 31, 2024 10:57 PM

[quote] the vaunted Immigration Bill that Trump axed was, in essence, a Republican-sponsored bill (Langford).

To be accurate, the actual Republican sponsored bill was HR 2, which passed the House but which Schumer didn’t allow to be voted on. The Lankford bill was used as smokescreen to hide that.

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by Anonymousreply 429October 31, 2024 11:01 PM

Depends. If Trump loses some of them will have their eyes on 2028. Will they stay MAGA and block everything to run as Trump 2.0? Will Trump announce he's running again and keep the party in chaos as he pulls the strings? Or will they shake him off and try to run as pro choice(ish) moderates where some bipartisan actions would help their chances.?

by Anonymousreply 430October 31, 2024 11:09 PM

HR 2 and The Border Act of 2024 are not the same piece of legislation. The former was a device to shut down the gov't and was opposed by all House dems, and the latter was legislation authored by Sens Murphy, Sinema and Langford.

by Anonymousreply 431October 31, 2024 11:17 PM

To be accurate, r429, HR2 was draconian. Among many other provisions, it allowed for deporting unaccompanied children.

by Anonymousreply 432October 31, 2024 11:17 PM

[quote] HR 2 and The Border Act of 2024 are not the same piece of legislation

Exactly. That’s why it’s wrong to state that the Lankford bill is the Republican sponsored bill when actually the Republican’s bill is HR 2, a different piece of legislation.

by Anonymousreply 433October 31, 2024 11:29 PM

I'm not clear what you want to assert. Murphy took Langford's language whole. Langford acknowledged this, even after Trump said not to let it move forward. It wasn't Republican, it was bipartisan... with everything the Republicans wanted in it.

by Anonymousreply 434October 31, 2024 11:34 PM

R434, it’s not true that the Lankford bill contained all of HR2, and without anything to undermine HR2’s provisions. “Everything the Republicans wanted” was HR2. A person can’t truthfully claim that the Lankford bill contained HR2, everything the Republicans wanted.

by Anonymousreply 435November 1, 2024 12:11 AM

The Senate is not more dignified, it is more designed to be a damper to major legislation with the Cloture Vote requiring a Supermajority to proceed.

Like the House of Lords, its goal to to stop al legislation that is not Bipartisan. Which is why the passing of the ACA was so monumental.

by Anonymousreply 436November 1, 2024 12:21 AM

It also disproportionally empowers the Liebermans and Sinemas and Manchins.

by Anonymousreply 437November 1, 2024 12:22 AM

McConnell will be gone from leadership but he will still be around advising. He and Biden were friends and had a long history together. He has no such loyalty to Harris.

by Anonymousreply 438November 1, 2024 12:38 AM

R435 I said the Lankford-Murphy bill and HR2 were NOT the same. I don't know what you mean to say.

by Anonymousreply 439November 1, 2024 12:52 AM

If Trump wins and the GOP has both chambers, I am almost certain the filibuster will be abolished. There are Senators on both sides that care a lot about the institution, but most politicians can be coerced if one digs up enough dirt.

by Anonymousreply 440November 1, 2024 12:54 AM

Very unsettled. I'm feeling very unsettled, a sense of dread.

by Anonymousreply 441November 1, 2024 12:57 AM

Mood board

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by Anonymousreply 442November 1, 2024 2:38 AM

She’s behind in the early voting pretty much everywhere. Polling in ‘16 had Hillary winning and she lost. Polls in ‘20 had Biden crushing Trump and he barely squeaked it out. Polls this time have them basically tied. Draw your own conclusions.

Not to doom and gloom all over this thread, but I’m really starting to think the R’s are going to consolidate control of the House, as well as pick up senate seats in WV, MT, OH, NV, WI and PA.

by Anonymousreply 443November 1, 2024 2:49 AM

R440, as hard as it seems possible to believe, I do think Mitch McConnell - at least Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski - would block that from happening in the next Congress. As Majority Leader, McConnell resisted Trump’s strong arm tactics to repeal the filibuster rule, so I strongly believe his resolve would even be greater in a non-leadership role. What would happen in ‘27, when McConnell is out of the Senate, might be another story.

by Anonymousreply 444November 1, 2024 2:50 AM

R443, WV is obviously lost (but good luck to the GOP in getting the new senator around to vote much) & Montana looks lost, too, but I think the Democratic senators in the other states will be returning to office.

by Anonymousreply 445November 1, 2024 2:55 AM

I would strongly advise you not to hang your hopes on Mitch Coney Barrett McConnell or Susan I’m Concerned Collins.

by Anonymousreply 446November 1, 2024 2:56 AM

R445 A real possibility that both FL and TX might flip. I wouldn't bet on FL, but my gut says that Cruz may really lose this time.

by Anonymousreply 447November 1, 2024 2:58 AM

I think Sherrod’s toast. The rest of the at-risk D’s are tossups at best. Rick Scott will win in FL by 5 points easily, Ted Cruz by probably 2.

by Anonymousreply 448November 1, 2024 2:58 AM

Has Sherrod been behind in any polls in the last couple of months? I don’t think he has & that bodes well for his chances.

by Anonymousreply 449November 1, 2024 3:04 AM

R446, but the ultimate institutionalist McConnell DID block Trump before. And that was from his perch as leader where he’d be expected to carry the water for the president of his party. We know how much he hates Trump. And he’s not going to be facing the voters again. Yeah, I fully expect him to continue on with his resistance.

by Anonymousreply 450November 1, 2024 3:08 AM

I'm feeling excited for Kamala.

by Anonymousreply 451November 1, 2024 3:11 AM

[quote]She’s behind in the early voting pretty much everywhere.

Link?

[quote]Polling in ‘16 had Hillary winning and she lost.

She won the popular vote (the object of the polling you refer to) by almost three percentage points and lost the electoral college because of bare minorities in three states.

[quote]Polls in ‘20 had Biden crushing Trump and he barely squeaked it out.

Link? The race did tighten, but nationwide and in the swing states Biden won by only a little less than predicted in the last polls—they didn't predict him "crushing" Trump.

[quote]Polls this time have them basically tied.

But they're giving her an advantage, albeit within the margin of error, nationwide and possibly MI and WI (see e.g. this link).

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by Anonymousreply 452November 1, 2024 3:12 AM

Isn't McConnell stepping down as leader in the next congress? Even if he did find a soul, he's about to have greatly reduced power.

by Anonymousreply 453November 1, 2024 3:13 AM

R452, it’s just not true about the ‘20 polls. At least in Michigan & Wisconsin. I live in Michigan and, based on the polls, which showed Biden comfortably ahead in the state, I looked forward to the election with supreme confidence. And late polls had Biden up by 8+ points in Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 454November 1, 2024 3:19 AM

R453, yes he’s stepping down from his leadership role, but if his party has a narrow majority he’ll have the kind of outsized influence Manchin & Sinema - neither of whom were in leadership - in blocking a repeal of what’s left of the filibuster rule.

by Anonymousreply 455November 1, 2024 3:22 AM

I fear that many people will be experiencing the Pauline Kael sensation when the election results are known.

by Anonymousreply 456November 1, 2024 3:26 AM

Mitch McConnell is interested in one thing: exercising power in support of Republicans. He might save the filibuster, but it would never be out of decency and you're a fool if you think so.

by Anonymousreply 457November 1, 2024 3:32 AM

This should cheer ya up... Julia Sugarbakered....

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by Anonymousreply 458November 1, 2024 3:36 AM

Sherrod is doing fine.

Moreno gas shot himself numerous times being caught on video laughing at older women who think abortion is an important issue and saying no exceptions for rape, incest or life of the mother.

Ohio has cunt punted the thugs before in this issue -TWICE- but they just don’t learn.

by Anonymousreply 459November 1, 2024 3:56 AM

While it didn’t literally contain everything the GOP, the final bill contained most of the major things the GOP wanted.

trump’s instructions killed it

by Anonymousreply 460November 1, 2024 4:02 AM

No illusions about McConnell, R457, but if our worst fears are realized, Trump wins & the Senate flips, I don’t believe an out of leadership McConnell will do a 180 on his opposition to a repeal.

by Anonymousreply 461November 1, 2024 4:09 AM

OK, I do. Let's let it go.

by Anonymousreply 462November 1, 2024 4:13 AM

Personally, I would have let the border bill go through and dogged the shit out of it. Had ICE trash it, had FOX trash it. Ran on every little nitpicky thing that was wrong with it plus made shit up about it.

I think it was a huge mistake to force his ass lickers to block it then publicly take credit for it not getting passed. So dumb! It's always better to let someone make a decision, step back from a position of zero responsibility and pick everything apart like a bitchy mother-in-law, and act like you could have done a better job.

But, malignant narcissists can't help gloating about their poor decisions.

by Anonymousreply 463November 1, 2024 4:20 AM

Will MAGA die without Trump? Of course everyone has a paper trail, and the internet never forgets. But without a Cult Of Personality how can it galvanize? What's a Proud Boy without a Fuhrer?

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by Anonymousreply 464November 1, 2024 6:07 AM

If the insurrectionist filth return to the capital, can it be made clear to shoot to kill every last one of them on site? Ashli Babbitt the whole lot of them - it will save is a lot of hassle later. We already know they’ll say Trump will have been cheated by the dems. His followers are this fucking stupid they don’t understand that claim is exactly what’s intended well ahead of knowing the actual outcome.

by Anonymousreply 465November 1, 2024 7:34 AM

Lichtman says Kamala will win. I hope but I think dump will get back in. Democracy’s don’t last forever.

by Anonymousreply 466November 1, 2024 7:37 AM

You get one chance with a coup.

And they blew it.

by Anonymousreply 467November 1, 2024 7:38 AM

I dropped my ballot off today at the library. They were very nice, took it in the bag not the box so no bomb threat. I hope itworks out . I hope it means something

by Anonymousreply 468November 1, 2024 7:51 AM

I also pray you’re not right R24

by Anonymousreply 469November 1, 2024 7:55 AM

That this madman has (at least) a 50-50 chance of getting elected is beyond depressing.

by Anonymousreply 470November 1, 2024 12:13 PM

A reason for optimism, from philosopher Neil Sinhababu:

--- Part I

Though polling has always guided my political predictions and strategies, I have less confidence in polls from 2024 than from any previous year in my life. Polling as we once knew it, with genuinely representative samples from calling random people, no longer exists because they don’t pick up the phone. What we now call polls are essentially models tested on a little bit of data. This approach resulted in unprecedented errors in the 2024 Republican primary, which should lower our confidence that poll averages will predict the upcoming election.

A Politico article summarizes the most severe polling failures: “In Michigan, Trump’s margin over Haley was 15.3 points smaller in the actual results than in the final polling average. Pollsters also had double-digit whiffs in Massachusetts (a 14.3-point difference), Tennessee (11.3 points) and Virginia (20.8 points).” These races weren’t heavily polled around the voting, which may explain the errors.

There is no similar excuse in New Hampshire, which was heavily polled right before its election. The poll aggregators’ average had Trump winning by 19.2%, and he actually won by 11.1%. South Carolina was also heavily polled, and the aggregators had Trump winning by 26% where he actually won by 20.3%. (For NH and SC, the aggregator average is 538, 270towin, and RCP averaged together.)

People didn’t complain because the polls said Trump would win and he won. But missing the margin by 6-8% in a well-polled race is severe. Moreover, all these errors were overestimates of Trump, and underestimates of Haley.

The polls underestimated Trump in 2016 and 2020, and got things about right in 2022. Why would they suddenly overestimate Trump in the 2024 primaries? And what does this mean for the general election? The fundamental problem is that response rates to phone polls have been declining for years. This means that phone polling mainly reaches the ever-shrinking sliver of the US population that picks up when called by an unknown number. If that sliver of the population is representative of the whole, polling will still work. But if it becomes unrepresentative, polling will present all opinion as being like the unrepresentative and skewed sample. If 1% of the US population consists of chaotic people who are always willing to pick up the phone and say extreme things to a pollster that they won't follow up on – maybe they’re playing pranks or high on intense drugs or having a mental health problem – a poll with a response rate of 5% will be one-fifth chaos.

by Anonymousreply 471November 1, 2024 12:17 PM

Part II

There are other ways of polling than the phone, but none get a representative sample. For example, ActiVote polls people who downloaded its app, but self-selection problems there are severe. Pollsters now must put a lot of weight on how they antecedently model the composition of the 2024 electorate rather than what they learn about it from the data they acquire. Such models can be tweaked to get whatever result the pollster likes.

In 2020, phone polls were still doing okay because Trump and Haley voters were still on the same side. Trump voters are more likely to pick up the phone, while Haley voters are less likely. But their different tendencies cancelled out, and both voted for Republicans. Then January 6 happened, and divided the Republican Party into factions that couldn’t be reconciled. In 2022 each faction could be optimistic about winning control of the party in 2024, so they still mostly voted together.

The exception was when seriously Trumpy candidates turned off the sorts of people who became Haley voters. This happened in Pennsylvania, where Trump favorites ran for both Senator and Governor. The Senate race had the infamous Dr. Oz against John Fetterman, while the Governor’s race had Doug Mastriano against Josh Shapiro. Polls estimated that Shapiro would win by 11.4%; he actually won by 14.8%. Polls estimated a 0.4% victory for Oz; Fetterman won by 4.9% despite being incapacitated by a stroke.

All of this makes sense if Haley voters are less likely to respond to pollsters. What would that mean for 2024? What data we have about Haley voters suggests that they’re especially likely to support Harris. This makes demographic and ideological sense. This voter bloc swung the 2022 PA Senate race, and kept Trump’s margins down in this year’s primaries. It’s because of silent Haley voters adding something like 1-2% to Harris’ margins in crucial swing states that I think she is more likely than not to win the Presidential election.

by Anonymousreply 472November 1, 2024 12:18 PM

[quote]You get one chance with a coup.

There are exceptions!

by Anonymousreply 473November 1, 2024 12:46 PM

Thanks, R471 and 472—Neil is great. Does he blog publicly? Social media?

by Anonymousreply 474November 1, 2024 12:50 PM

Touché, r473.

by Anonymousreply 475November 1, 2024 12:52 PM

The AClu is a joke organization that no longer cares about civil liberties. Led by a trans man the organization is now about trans rights. Don’t count on them anymore for any sane political discourse.

by Anonymousreply 476November 1, 2024 12:54 PM

What if they incited a coup and nobody came?

I think that’s just as likely as mass civil unrest. He’ll try to get the troops to show up on Jan 6. A few hundred totally insane lunatics will show up. They’ll make some insane shit that will make good fodder for the late night shows. The end.

by Anonymousreply 477November 1, 2024 12:59 PM

Scoff if you will.

Call me irresponsible. Call me unreliable. Throw in undependable, too.

And yet, I think it's possible that if such a thing as a "silent" or "secret" voter exists, that's flying under every radar and poll, it's sexually active male heterosexual voters of every age, race and ethnicity.

I think they will be a contributing part of will put Harris over the top because of the same thing that is motivating lots of women - abortion.

As for how I'm feeling. Well, I'm putting in hours this weekend working for the Democratic Party.

by Anonymousreply 478November 1, 2024 1:09 PM

r474 Brian Leiter shared it on his blog. It's from Neil's Facebook.

by Anonymousreply 479November 1, 2024 1:21 PM

I fully believe MAGA will die without Trump. It's a cult, full stop. They are loyal to no one else.

Trump JR and JD Vance are desperately trying to shift MAGA to them, but it won't work.

When Trump loses, MAGA will see him finally as a big fat loser and abandon him.

by Anonymousreply 480November 1, 2024 1:51 PM

I think Trump will eke out a win. Harris is down 21 points with young black men compared to where Biden was last election. And I just think there is deeply rooted sexism in our country that will prevent her from winning. Contrary to what most people think, Trump will still get the majority of white women. Maybe even do better than last time because Harris is black (racist women will really be galvanized) and a woman (the hate a woman can have for another woman is very specific and powerful). Those two things together could balance out whatever gains the dems get with pro-choice women crossing the aisle.

I PRAY I am wrong. But I've also contended that this country probably has to go through a period of fascism in order to snap back in the other direction. What that would actually be like is completely lost on 50% of this country's citizens. They think it will cleave evenly onto the people they hate - never thinking that fascism is a machine that crushes everything and everyone indiscriminately. They have to experience it to understand.

by Anonymousreply 481November 1, 2024 2:15 PM

Trump has said and done so many absolutely wacky things this last week. Why would anyone want a President saying things you won't want kids to hear

by Anonymousreply 482November 1, 2024 2:18 PM

Do you have a link for that 21 points?

(I know there is no link because it’s closer to 4 point difference but we’ll wait.

by Anonymousreply 483November 1, 2024 2:27 PM

OK, I wasn't quite right. It's the margin that's down: Biden was +81 and Harris is +63

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by Anonymousreply 484November 1, 2024 2:32 PM

R476, I had no idea about any of that! I was an ACLU supporter for more than a few years, but I started feeling like they were sending weird messages and supporting some legal fights I thought were off base. I know they support all civil rights (like, famously, the Nazi march in Skokie), and I was fine with that because I believe in principles, too. But it started seeming like they had changed their priorities and I didn't trust them as much, so I've been ignoring their fundraising for the last couple of years.

by Anonymousreply 485November 1, 2024 2:34 PM

R478, I think those men you describe - educated fathers, husbands, brothers - will form part of the narrow margin that puts her over the top.

I also think that where black men leave Harris, to the extent that they do, women of all stripes will more than make up for it. They have pissed off the ladies, who've been pissed off one way or another since the dawn of time. And I think they're pretty much done with it.

by Anonymousreply 486November 1, 2024 2:34 PM

r485 I think Nadine Strossen, former president of the ACLU, has been critical of the direction the organization has taken in recent years.

by Anonymousreply 487November 1, 2024 2:38 PM

Harris suppport among black men grows

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by Anonymousreply 488November 1, 2024 2:41 PM

Look, inflation is 2.4 percent and unemployment is 4.1 percent. It’s a Weimar Germany/Great Depression scenario. Can you blame us for gambling on a bit of fascism to escape this hell cycle?

by Anonymousreply 489November 1, 2024 2:46 PM

[quote] Look, inflation is 2.4 percent

That’s the rate for new, additional inflation. That’s not the percentage change in prices from 2021 to now.

by Anonymousreply 490November 1, 2024 2:52 PM

[quote] I had no idea about any of that! I was an ACLU supporter for more than a few years, but I started feeling like they were sending weird messages and supporting some legal fights I thought were off base.

Like it or not, the civil rights fight for the times is trans rights. ACLU is moving toward where the fight actually is,

by Anonymousreply 491November 1, 2024 3:01 PM

[quote] That’s the rate for new, additional inflation. That’s not the percentage change in prices from 2021 to now.

And the goal is 2% of natural inflation, so 2.7% is damn close. To have the drop in inflation without a recession is nearly miraculous.

For those who blame Biden for inflation, must also give him credit for tackling it so expertly

by Anonymousreply 492November 1, 2024 3:03 PM

Thank you for that very helpful explanation that I think absolutely no one knew. I now realize that the last four years have been a period of almost unprecedented suffering and that you are not in fact monstrously stupid and spoiled. I’m so glad my parents and grand-parents never had to live through this.

And even though the inflation problem is already solved and presidents I. general have very little influence on the economy to begin with,I still think it would be good to vote for a jackass just because I’m really hurt about the whole thing. There’s only so much a human being can endure.

by Anonymousreply 493November 1, 2024 3:04 PM

Whatever happens it will be historic. Like when average folks witnessed the crucifixion-Horrible but Historical and You Are There!

by Anonymousreply 494November 1, 2024 3:08 PM

Glad I’m old and don’t have to do this much longer. Trump or no Trump it’s not going to be a fun-future. Kim Jong can reach S.F.& L.A. Putin will take Europe-Trump or not. 400k+ guns in US mostly owned by Trumper’s-ENJOY.

by Anonymousreply 495November 1, 2024 3:17 PM

If you want to increase green energy and get off oil/coal; if you want civil, LGBTQ+ and reproductive rights; if you want health insurance possibilities for everyone; if you want an intelligent and humanitarian solution for immigration; if you don't want Ukraine handed to Putin on a silver platter; if you don't want a theocracy; if you want to see Trump punished for all his transgressions...then you'd be stupid to vote for Turd 'n Shady.

by Anonymousreply 496November 1, 2024 3:20 PM

Al the rightwing podcasters from Rogan to Kirk to Bongino are already telling their many millions of strapping young men that the election is being stolen by Harris.

When Harris wins, (and it certainly looks now like she will) if just 1 percent of these guys go out and do something violent, we're in for a terrifying post-election period.

Not to mention the next four years of rightwing domestic violence. It's possible that this country will dissolve into internal bickering for many decades to come

by Anonymousreply 497November 1, 2024 3:27 PM

Then those bros will go to jail and end up felons for life life almost 1000 J6ers before them.

They will fail at getting their Orange Jesus installed in the White House via violence and will throw their lives away doing so.

And when the evidence of Trump's treason finally comes to light, they will wear the albatross of TREASON and TRAITOR TO AMERICA long after Donald Trump has waddled from this mortal coil. Their families and friends will shun them. Their neighbors and community will turn away from them. They will be worse than the trash they are jokingly calling themselves.

You don't come back from being a terrorist in America. And that's what they will be.

by Anonymousreply 498November 1, 2024 4:04 PM

R481 The media trope of "she's going to lose because of young men of color supporting Trump.." was very concerning in summer when she first began her campaign. It's not so much true now... things are "reversing to the mean" among voters of color.

Younger white male Gen Z voters ARE a concern. It's baffling how much they've shifted away from progressive ideas.

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by Anonymousreply 499November 1, 2024 4:35 PM

[quote]She’s behind in the early voting pretty much everywhere.

Huh? In all the reportage of early voting in the swing states, she's been far ahead of him, in some cases by double digits. I'm talking WI-MI-NC etc. Are you talking about states such as MS-AL-ND-SD or other red states? I'd expect her to be behind in those spots.

by Anonymousreply 500November 1, 2024 5:35 PM

R492, that’s the Federal Reserve, not Biden.

by Anonymousreply 501November 1, 2024 5:38 PM

EARLY VOTING most always favors the challenger. Kamala is the challenger in this case even though she’s VP. VPs do next to nothing while in office, they’re like an understudy in a play.

by Anonymousreply 502November 1, 2024 5:42 PM

It’s increasingly looking that Harris’s only path will be through the blue wall states. With no margin for error, & the polls there so close, I have a hard time mustering a lot of confidence.

by Anonymousreply 503November 1, 2024 5:58 PM

R502 No, she is not "the challenger", nor is Trump. She jumped in race in summer, Trump, an ex-President, has always run as an outsider and disrupter. No one knows what these early vote numbers mean.

by Anonymousreply 504November 1, 2024 5:59 PM

Why are you explaining, R504, we all know that. Trump is no longer an outsider because he’s a former president. Harris is new on several levels, including being female. Try to follow.

by Anonymousreply 505November 1, 2024 6:21 PM

Just want this shit to be over so we can either celebrate or suicide.

by Anonymousreply 506November 1, 2024 6:41 PM

Max Miller makes Election Cake.

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by Anonymousreply 507November 1, 2024 6:43 PM

R505 I think you are just responding to yourself. Welcome to the new Omphalos, just like the Old Omphalos.

by Anonymousreply 508November 1, 2024 7:01 PM

Feeling? I’m back to being distracted and tense. I’ve followed presidential politics for decades and this one is by far the most stressful.

2020… the data all looked clear to me, Biden would win. I wasn’t stressed.

2016… same, Clinton, and we were wrong. But I didn’t stress beforehand like this.

2012.. result looked like a nail biter but Romney wasn’t a capital-N Nightmare. I was hooked on the race but not insomniac about its consequences.

2008… it was clear Obama would win.

So this is unusual in a not-good way.

by Anonymousreply 509November 1, 2024 7:14 PM

Headline for Wednesday Nov.6-‘’America utilizes it’s 400,000+ guns to settle election results’’

by Anonymousreply 510November 1, 2024 8:09 PM

Headline for Wednesday Nov.6-‘’America utilizes it’s 400,000+ guns to settle election results’’

by Anonymousreply 511November 1, 2024 8:10 PM

Headline for Wednesday Nov.6-‘’America utilizes it’s 400,000+ guns to settle election results’’

by Anonymousreply 512November 1, 2024 8:10 PM

R506, please.

It's:

Juscht want thisch schit to be over scho we can either schelebrate or schuischide.

by Anonymousreply 513November 1, 2024 8:12 PM

Gotcha!

by Anonymousreply 514November 1, 2024 8:15 PM

It's almost 400,000,000 guns, unfortunately, not 400,000.

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by Anonymousreply 515November 1, 2024 9:03 PM

We know that the GOP is already pretending there's lots of cheating going on.

What will the Dems do if Trump is declared the winner and then find the GOP actually cheated?

by Anonymousreply 516November 1, 2024 9:21 PM

[quote]Like it or not, the civil rights fight for the times is trans rights. ACLU is moving toward where the fight actually is,

Absolutely!

by Anonymousreply 517November 1, 2024 9:31 PM

R517, abortion is no longer a civil right. Those pregnant women all voted for the man who made that happen/

by Anonymousreply 518November 1, 2024 9:35 PM

As an old political campaigner I can tell you this. There are benchmarks in a campaign cycle. So think of an ocean liner navigating toward port. You have a to do list. And at every phase in a campaign you want to be at a certain point. So right now, you want to be trending up ward with key constituencies, and surpassing previous performances. Kamala is Right where she needs to be. In fact she is even making Trump spend money he doesn't have to follow her around thinking certain states are still in play when they really aren't.

by Anonymousreply 519November 1, 2024 9:38 PM

Right now it's all about theater with Trump. He wants to yell "Fraud!" so he is perpetuating the fiction this r ace is still winnable. It isn't. Stick a fork in that pig, he is roasted and toasted. Filthy fucker.

by Anonymousreply 520November 1, 2024 9:40 PM

Kamala has been working her ass off with major rally after major rally, crisscrossing the country.

It will pay off!!

by Anonymousreply 521November 1, 2024 9:45 PM

Right now, on my interactive map I have Harris winning by 272 at the very least, and 319 at most. Of course the "magic number " is 270.

by Anonymousreply 522November 1, 2024 9:52 PM

I think Trump's overall total turnout umber is going to be lower than it was in 2020. Kamala's will be comparable to Biden, maybe a couple million more.

by Anonymousreply 523November 1, 2024 9:53 PM

R484 is a month old. Nice try!

It’s closer to 2-3 points today. And dropping. GO KAMALA!!

by Anonymousreply 524November 1, 2024 11:40 PM

Milwaukee rally

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by Anonymousreply 525November 2, 2024 2:02 AM

I’m not paying attention until Wednesday morning

I’m gonna have sex with all the illegal macho Latin hombres than I can in the meantime

PIÑATA PARTY IN MY ASS

by Anonymousreply 526November 2, 2024 2:32 AM

If I were going to put my bet down right now, I would say Kamala wins MI, PA, WI, NV, AZ AND GA by a hair.

NC is a long shot but not out of the question.

FL looks a lot better than 20 but not holding my breath.

It’s hard to zoom in on what the actual campaigns are doing, but when you can, it tells the tale.

by Anonymousreply 527November 2, 2024 3:06 AM

I want the Dems to sweep. I would love to see Harkeem Jeffries replace that sleazy weasel Mike Johnson as Speaker.

by Anonymousreply 528November 2, 2024 3:14 AM

But what about the split ticket theory here? Mark Robinson is a disaster in NC, he's way behind in the polls. Will people vote against him, but then go ahead and vote for Trump on the same ballot?

Same in Ohio - Sherrod Brown is up by a few points, but Harris trailing Trump by the same amount. Voters in major elections are not known to usually vote a "split ticket", but will strongly tend to vote for the same party straight down the ticket.

In Arizona, Lake is behind but Trump up slightly, if you believe the polls. It will be a historic, trend-breaking election if Trump wins in states where Dems win the down-ticket contests.

by Anonymousreply 529November 2, 2024 3:15 AM

In '20, R529, down ballot Republicans fared much better than Trump did at the top of the ticket. Data established that many Republicans left the presidential part of their ballots blank.

by Anonymousreply 530November 2, 2024 3:21 AM

and yet R23 there are millions of people leaving their countries to come to the United States of America

by Anonymousreply 531November 2, 2024 3:28 AM

530 not anywhere close to this proposed degree.

by Anonymousreply 532November 2, 2024 3:46 AM

R530 ^

by Anonymousreply 533November 2, 2024 3:47 AM

If it's true Everything Trump Touches Dies, I hope the fanatic Mike Johnson gets what he deserves for lashing himself so tightly to the MAGA mast.

And it would be a fucking trip and a half to see Hillary and Liz Cheney embracing backstage and congratulating each other. A sight I would never have expected to see in my life.

Miss Greenwald's tweets in the last couple of days have been flicked-with-foam, off-the-charts furious. I hope that's a good sign too.

by Anonymousreply 534November 2, 2024 5:08 AM

I've been watching Johnson's clips the last couple days... he's the next Lindsay Graham... big mouth, loves to run it, but almost slick once he gets going. A nasty piece of work.

by Anonymousreply 535November 2, 2024 5:10 AM

[quote]I think Trump will eke out a win

You need to think again.

by Anonymousreply 536November 2, 2024 9:54 AM

It's time for George W. Bush to come out and endorse Kamala. That would pack a punch.

by Anonymousreply 537November 2, 2024 11:12 AM

Feeling 2% more optimistic after seeing #TrumpIsGoingDown trending on X/Twitter because he simulated fellatio on a mic at his rally last evening. The dementia/disinhibition conversation is about to get more public in these final few days. And who knows what other kinds of spaghetti he'll fling at the walls in these final few days, it's only Saturday morning.

by Anonymousreply 538November 2, 2024 12:15 PM

[quote]he simulated fellatio on a mic at his rally

So he's gay?

by Anonymousreply 539November 2, 2024 12:22 PM

R539 the memes going around are quite something, i.e., "I wanna talk some more about my friend Vladimir Putin"

by Anonymousreply 540November 2, 2024 12:27 PM

Every crazy thing that Dump says or does is explained away by the cult as "fake news" or "out of context."

by Anonymousreply 541November 2, 2024 12:27 PM

To that point, R541, I watched a call where two women, with the fire of a thousand suns, said it was only Democrats who lied, Democrats who were mean.

by Anonymousreply 542November 2, 2024 12:33 PM

They're in a brainwashed hate cult R541 & R542. They also say - "oh that's just Trump being Trump - you know how he is"... and "that's been debunked". Everything has been debunked. They always have an answer and it's always fake news or it's been debunked or they're too drunk to speak.

by Anonymousreply 543November 2, 2024 12:53 PM

Those are the women who walked around wearing Lipton teabags on their sun hats in 2010. Nothing to do for Hard MAGA but out-vote them, and we're about to.

by Anonymousreply 544November 2, 2024 1:07 PM

I so wish I could have your confidence, R544.

by Anonymousreply 545November 2, 2024 1:12 PM

It would be nice if the two candidates would meet, and both say their sorry and shake hands, for the good of the country.

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by Anonymousreply 546November 2, 2024 10:43 PM

R546 piss off, Kamala has nothing to apologise for

by Anonymousreply 547November 2, 2024 10:47 PM

R546 Curious. What do think Harris should be "sorry" about?

by Anonymousreply 548November 2, 2024 10:47 PM

[quote] It's time for George W. Bush to come out and endorse Kamala. That would pack a punch.

I don't think so.

by Anonymousreply 549November 2, 2024 10:47 PM

For those who do not remember, George W Bush was an ignoramous jerk. He doesn't know his ass from his elbow. Let him be.

by Anonymousreply 550November 3, 2024 12:28 AM

Trump sucking off the mike and giving it a hand job was certainly not out of context. only evolving desperation.

by Anonymousreply 551November 3, 2024 2:33 AM

R551 for someone who is supposed to represent Alpha Males, pretending to suck cock won’t go over well

by Anonymousreply 552November 3, 2024 2:43 AM

If Trump's mother were alive, she would warn him that Musk is a bad influence.

by Anonymousreply 553November 3, 2024 3:00 AM

Well, given that they all started wearing "Real Men Shit Their Pants" t-shirts for T-Rump, "real men give blow jobs" won't be a stretch.

by Anonymousreply 554November 3, 2024 3:00 AM

I'm feeling confident that Kamala will win. I don't think most voters want a lying, stupid, mean crook as POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 555November 3, 2024 3:04 AM

When I look at the public discourse and the mood surrounding each campaign, I feel confident for a Harris win. When I look at the polls, I think he's going to win.

by Anonymousreply 556November 3, 2024 4:02 AM

Even the new Selzer poll from Iowa, R556?

by Anonymousreply 557November 3, 2024 4:10 AM

Huh! Hadn't seen it yet, R557. I was out much of the day knocking on doors in a swing state. (Didn't do all that much but did do my bit, at least.) That is good news.

However, I will clarify that I think she will win the popular vote. I just don't know about the electoral college. So polls like that don't really reassure me that much. If we take Red Iowa as a harbinger of other states swinging Dem, maybe, but I am really afraid to let myself believe. I'm just keeping my head down, fretting, and hoping against hope.

by Anonymousreply 558November 3, 2024 4:20 AM

I'm nervous. I think it's a really small percentage of people who are "undecided".

All of these celebrity endorsements? I don't know if it'll change anyone's mind.

Glad that Obama gave his talk / speech about black men needing to vote ... for Kamala. That may actually be a group that could swing things.

by Anonymousreply 559November 3, 2024 5:05 AM

And as predicted Polymarket is now flipping to Harris. So transparent.

by Anonymousreply 560November 3, 2024 5:12 AM

[quote] and both say their sorry

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 561November 3, 2024 5:16 AM

[quote]And as predicted Polymarket is now flipping to Harris. So transparent.

Why is that surprising? The betting markets consider the polls.

by Anonymousreply 562November 3, 2024 5:18 AM

[quote]And as predicted Polymarket is now flipping to Harris. So transparent.

I looked and I see the gap has lessened, but the money on Trump is still higher. At this moment, 54.6% to 45.5%.

by Anonymousreply 563November 3, 2024 5:34 AM

Polls are bullshit, people lie.

by Anonymousreply 564November 3, 2024 5:53 AM

I'll say it again, catastrophic defeat for Trump. The way is should be.

by Anonymousreply 565November 3, 2024 5:56 AM

Trump's team – out of sheer desperation after that Selzer poll – just said their internal poll shows him +5 in Iowa. He was +7 in 2020 and still lost the election.

He's cooked, y'all.

by Anonymousreply 566November 3, 2024 6:32 AM

[quote]Trump's team – out of sheer desperation after that Selzer poll – just said their internal poll shows him +5 in Iowa.

That would be in between the Emerson and Selzer poll.

by Anonymousreply 567November 3, 2024 6:08 AM

I think you're right, r566, but I don't get a good night's sleep until this whole nightmare is behind us.

by Anonymousreply 568November 3, 2024 9:04 AM

I’m awarding Patrick Healy of the NYT the Asshole of the Election award. I’ve never seen anyone as desperate for Trump to win. Its shameless. If it’s called for Harris, I expect him to publish “it’s still not too late for Trump, here’s how he could overturn that and still win”

by Anonymousreply 569November 3, 2024 11:58 AM

R547, if Kamala doesn’t win, people will demand she apologize like all women should. If she wins, she should be humble and credit others and not boast.

by Anonymousreply 570November 3, 2024 12:15 PM

[quote] If she wins, she should be humble and credit others and not boast.

Don’t all candidates do that, men and women? Like getting an Oscar, they list off a lot of people and things to thank.

by Anonymousreply 571November 3, 2024 12:43 PM

NYT poll - Arizona: Trump 49% – Harris 45%; Gallego up by 5 Over Lake

Trump potentially winning by 5 and Gallego winning by 5 is more proof of the cult. JD is not the heir. Hayley should have supported Harris. Election denial and Trumpism are repugnant to people when coming from someone other than Trump himself.

by Anonymousreply 572November 3, 2024 1:01 PM

Will R476 please name the leader of the ACLU who's a transman?

Inquiring minds want to know.

by Anonymousreply 573November 3, 2024 1:04 PM

R573, as you are probably implying to R476, none of the ACLU's leadership (linked below) is a transman. Chase Strangio is probably their highest profile transman attorney. The ACLU has 500+ attorneys total plus hundreds more in a consulting capacity.

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by Anonymousreply 574November 3, 2024 1:15 PM

Thank you R574 (I was just about to something similar to your post) & R573 for asking the question.

R476 is just another MAGA propagandist making up garbage which is super easy to refute.

This is the President of the ACLU - Deborah Archer - and she is an extremely well-educated and impressive woman.

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by Anonymousreply 575November 3, 2024 1:24 PM

The ACLU has lost its way.

by Anonymousreply 576November 3, 2024 1:28 PM
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by Anonymousreply 577November 3, 2024 1:29 PM

How exactly R576?

by Anonymousreply 578November 3, 2024 1:32 PM

Attention MAGAs. Guess who will clean toilets and slaughter cows and pick fruit after the mass deportation. YOU!! When you're 70! We've been telling you this for months. Now Trump is telling you. Wake the fuck up.

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by Anonymousreply 579November 3, 2024 1:33 PM

I'm traveling and can't type a long response, r578, but this is a good place to start:

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by Anonymousreply 580November 3, 2024 1:34 PM

Today I feel excited for Harris to win this thing but apprehensive about the MAGA backlash. But I know we’ll get through this. No way is the dump going to win the race.

by Anonymousreply 581November 3, 2024 1:40 PM

Funny how the tide has suddenly turned, especially since the Ann Selzer poll. As recently as yesterday evening it was all gloom and doom because of the polls and the lurking conviction that Trump just always pulls it off. Then out came Ann, the best pollster in the nation, and even with a strong pro-Trump poll of Iowa from the highly reputable Emerson (albeit funded by Real Clear Politics), there was an abrupt shift to optimism. Her cross-tabs concerning women and the 65+ confirm what's been coming out about early voting trends.

by Anonymousreply 582November 3, 2024 1:49 PM

Although its's a nice to have - it's not just that R582 - it's the defeat and desperation we are seeing from Trump and the Trump campaign over the last few days. They know they are fucked and it's starting to show on the outside.

Kamala just keeps chugging along like a tank and is not getting distracted or making any gaffs.

Nobody knows how this is going to turn out but things are suddenly looking up.

by Anonymousreply 583November 3, 2024 2:06 PM

Underneath the optimism, though, I've got to say it:

It's disgraceful that Kamala Harris has to run a flawless campaign and close it like an Olympian -- and she's doing it! -- in order to win against such a fetid pile of garbage (word fully intended) for a GOP nominee. This says that something has gone profoundly wrong with the American people.

But on top - optimism! Looking forward to Tuesday night and to keeping Datalounge open on one tab.

by Anonymousreply 584November 3, 2024 2:16 PM

[quote]It's disgraceful that Kamala Harris has to run a flawless campaign and close it like an Olympian -- and she's doing it! -- in order to win against such a fetid pile of garbage (word fully intended) for a GOP nominee. This says that something has gone profoundly wrong with the American people.

One million percent agreed R584.

by Anonymousreply 585November 3, 2024 2:18 PM

+2, r584 and r585

by Anonymousreply 586November 3, 2024 2:30 PM

[quote]Funny how the tide has suddenly turned, especially since the Ann Selzer poll.

Oh wow. This is in response to the Selzer poll. We're going to have to hold him to that!

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by Anonymousreply 587November 3, 2024 2:30 PM

Winning the election is the easy part. It's on US and WE can do it!

The hard part is the epic meltdown, screaming, threats and lawsuits from the garbage heap afterwards.

They will NOT simply go the fuck away and STFU. They are going to attack everyone, every where and at every opportunity.

If you can donate to Democracy Docket or the campaign, still do that. They will need money to fight these frivolous lawsuits intended to sow discord and mistrust.

They are already claiming the election has been "stolen", despite no votes even counted. They see the turnout, they see the internal polling. They know what's coming and they have no way to stop it, except to lie, cheat and obfuscate.

It may behoove all of us to lay low for a while and pay more attention to our surroundings when we go out.

by Anonymousreply 588November 3, 2024 2:32 PM

I love that choad at R587:

[quote]These people are just full of absolute sh*t in the final days of this election

"These people" as in the acknowledged gold standard of American polling? It *is* unlikely Harris will win IA in the end, so he won't have to cut his own balls off on Twitter, but Selzer's polling should raise the same warning flags for Republicans as the early voting stats do. Expect ketchup and feces to be thrown.

by Anonymousreply 589November 3, 2024 2:37 PM

What an idiot, or, he thinks others are idiots, or both at r587.

The Selzer poll is measuring, not predicting. It indicates a trend towards Harris.

And Trump's measurements are getting smaller.

Hell, if Kamala wins Iowa, watch for me to take a running start, flap my arms and fly over Lake Michigan.

by Anonymousreply 590November 3, 2024 2:37 PM

[quote]This says that something has gone profoundly wrong with the American people.

I'm going to argue instead that something has gone profoundly wrong with American politics in the last fifty years (divide and conquer) and American culture (the greatest nation on earth nonsense), creating American people in such numbers that Trump could almost be re-elected, despite everything before us.

You can't convince people they are the greatest nation on earth and have so much economic struggle. You can't prize Friday night lights over education and expect prosperity. You can't be raised to believe Jesus saves and then still be waiting. We all know the litany of the bullshit lower middle class and flyovers are fed that created the Republican base. It's more satisfying to blame the American people but I don't see how that leads to change to secure Democratic ideals and values and boost the chances of re-election at all levels.

I'm not sure anybody can dismantle this deadly myth. All Harris can do now is govern to the very best of her ability, close to the center, and hope to cope or capitalize on good economic circumstances. It looks like the wind is at her back on that front.

I credit Harris with a magnificent campaign but not because she's fabulous. She ran like a man. She ran like Bill Clinton, with a dose of Barak Obama. She didn't distract with the obviously historic nature of her personal candidacy, she just ran on messages aimed at every day life. She campaigned like someone who was running to be everybody's president. And she did a damn good job. I was really skeptical she was the candidate when the floor fell out from under Joe. (I still think some of her messaging could have been tighter and more effective.) But however this ends, there is nothing to regret. She rose to the challenge magnificently and deserves everyone's respect and admiration, come what may (which I think will be good things.)

by Anonymousreply 591November 3, 2024 2:59 PM

I used to go to Arizona for work, primarily Tucson, which is the most liberal part of the state (I had the impression.)

Arizona is a weird, dark place. You've got your MAGAs, dumb and shooting at beer cans in the desert for fun. You've got your laissez faire Republicans who are genuinely puzzled that anyone thinks there's something wrong with but I've got mine. And you've got your Libertarians, who have three weeks of freeze dried food in the bunker next to the year's supply of ammo, because something's coming.

I don't see how she can win the state. It's so fucked up. But maybe. I still can't see how Biden did it. But it's so fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 592November 3, 2024 3:04 PM

I started a new thread:

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by Anonymousreply 593November 3, 2024 3:04 PM

Good on you R593.

by Anonymousreply 594November 3, 2024 3:06 PM

R592 And how do the 33% of the state who are Latinos fit into the categories you've described? Latino voters don't fit into "one" single profile, but not sure they all fit into the factions you've named.

I know AZ and I know there are lot of enlightened folk there. But oddly I do feel like AZ is the least likely battleground state to go for Harris.

by Anonymousreply 595November 3, 2024 3:50 PM

Not R592, but I think the Catholic church has been 'educating" Latinos ion being "good" conservative voters.

by Anonymousreply 596November 3, 2024 8:21 PM

Not doing well here-very anxious and just ordered half gallon Dryers/bad of Milano.

by Anonymousreply 597November 3, 2024 8:22 PM

I’m hoping for the best. I almost can’t believe he will win.

by Anonymousreply 598November 3, 2024 9:26 PM

Repeat - come on over to the sequel,

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by Anonymousreply 599November 3, 2024 9:31 PM

[Quote] The ACLU has lost its way.

ACLU is doing exactly what it’s supposed to be doing—standing up for the civil right of all Americans, not just the ones you like

by Anonymousreply 600November 3, 2024 10:02 PM

How I’m feeling.

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by Anonymousreply 601November 3, 2024 10:15 PM

‘’ The idea..’’

by Anonymousreply 602November 3, 2024 10:34 PM

Let's have the best year of our whole lives. We can, you know. This could be the best one ever.

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