Daniel Penny, Hero Marine Defender Of The Innocent, Trial Begins

Wrong question.

NOT GUILTY!

Guilty of manslaughter. How was he charged?

[quote] Look at his blond curly locks, like a Greek statue.

[quote]Danny Penny is the hero that we want, but don’t deserve.

OP = Big sloppy [italic]Mary![/italic]

Yes _X_

No ___

He’s a hero.

I hearts Daniel.

They never charged the black men who assisted him. Because this is a circus trial.

Daniel Penny is the wrong race and hence he is persecuted for his heritage r7

Just because this is a cause celebre doesn't mean you can go around killing people with mental health problems.

NYers just ignore them. Of course this guy was from out of town

R8 We all want him, honey.

[quote] Daniel Penny is the wrong race and hence he is persecuted for his heritage

His race will ultimately get him off scot free

I think he should be charged and convicted for something. Maybe something less than manslaughter? Maybe involuntary manslaughter?

Definitely deserves to be found guilty of something.

Dead eyes.

[quote] Maybe involuntary manslaughter?

But it wasn't involuntary

R11 - People (non-lawyers) don't realize that if he gets so much as a $50 fine, the wrongful death lawsuit will drain every dime he could ever hope to make, borrow, or steal. 'Scot free' is most likely a very big fantasy.

[quote] Just because this is a cause celebre doesn't mean you can go around killing people with mental health problems.

Honey, he was protesting a woman. Having mental health issues doesn’t make you not a threat.

The NY government should be brought up on charges for letting crime get out of control and allowing criminals on the street. This wouldn’t have happened if they dropped the woke bleeding heart bullshit.

The perp also hated gays, don’t forget.

Everybody hates the gays. Especially other gays.

Your trolling is duly noted, r19.

R18 Did you pass the civics class in high school?

R18, what crime did the man on the train having a mental breakdown commit? Being loud?

If you want NYC to have the money to care for all its mentally ill, homeless people, advocate for reversing the GOP tax law which shoveled money from blue states to red states

[quote] Everybody hates the gays. Especially other gays.

Baby, you better tell it!

The witnesses will testify that Penny did not relent when he should have -- that's why he was charged, witness testimony. He would have to plead some kind of PTSD derangement defense.

I don’t know whether I want to cut his hair or scrub my pans out on his head.

Looks very smug. Not sure what the defence could possibly be. “Your Honour, this was a particularly annoying homeless person who deserved public execution on the L train.” Or whatever.

It’s a great headline but a TERRIBLE defence. Who is this guy to go around killing people? Patrick Bateman?

They’ll have to demonstrate that the victim was an actual, immediate, urgent threat to this guy. I don’t see it.

This one’s gonna be stretchin’ some holes in prison for a while.

I hope he's found not guilty but it could go either way depending on the demographics of the jury

Is Momma on the jury?

Easy to justify restraining him. Impossible to justify killing him.

Threatening man had people trapped on a subway car. THREE men stepped up at the neutralized the threat, protecting all of the people that were in the car.

Yet only the white blond guy was charged.

The other two guys, gentlemen of color, were not charged.

Racism, plain and simple.

OP purposely and skillfully wrote a REPULSIVE, OUTRAGEOUS and TROLLING thread opener. Bravo, I guess.

He's got a creepy vibe about him.

Only the white blond guy choked him to death.

[quote] what crime did the man on the train having a mental breakdown commit? Being loud?

Threatening a woman with violence, you dope.

Relent? Why? Do the guy could get up and finish them off?

I want Daniel inside me deeply.

Momma’s here!

[quote]—That jury is HUNG

They're imagining the defendant is as well.

OP has masturbated several times while watching "Triumph of the Will".

Americans have become the laughing stock of the world because of nonsense like this.

Imagine risking yourself to restrain a man threatening a woman and being brought up in charges for it. The US is jn decay.

[quote] 30-year-old Jordan Neely on a subway in 2023. Neely was a well-known Michael Jackson impersonator who was homeless. He boarded the subway and reportedly began threatening people.

Words matter. You threaten people in a confined space where they have no room to retreat, you are neutralized. Dan Penny is golden haired hero.

[quote] Jordan Neely, a homeless man with schizophrenia who witnesses say boarded an uptown F train and started yelling that he was willing to die or go to prison for life.

NEUTRALIZED

[quote] Imagine risking yourself to restrain a man threatening a woman and being brought up in charges for it. The US is jn decay.

You say “restrain,” I say “kill.” Let’s call the whole thing off.

Its not surprising that a bunch of effeminate queens, who have never protected anyone or anything or been involved in a fight in their entire lives, don't understand the risk this man took to protect the whole train car. And how you may end up killing a violent crazy man when said man does not relent.

R45 go back to fervently discussing broadway showtunes and leave the protection of society to the men.

True colors shining through.

R42 "Restrain"?

His hairline.. sad last days

R46 = Fat Sad Little Fuck, Kyle Rittenhouse

R46 is a blustering blowhard just like her hero, Donald J. Trump, the biggest fucking coward to have ever occupied the Oval Office.

Fuck off, you slimy cunt.

[quote] The other two guys, gentlemen of color, were not charged.

The other two guys didn't use deadly force. When he was neutralized as a threat, the other two guys were trying to get Penny to release him. Penny decided to kill him instead.

The perp said that he was going to kill them and didn’t care about going to jail for it. The guy was bigger than Penny.

[quote] the other two guys were trying to get Penny to release him.

No, they were not, you fucking liar.

Reading is fundamental.

[quote] During the chokehold, some bystanders gave warnings on Neely's health, with one telling Penny, "You're gonna kill him now", while others helped in holding him down until police arrived.[2] Vázquez captured the final three minutes of the hold on video, which shows Penny applying it for nearly a minute after Neely had stopped struggling and gone limp. Prosecutors alleged that the chokehold lasted for six minutes, while Penny said it lasted less than five minutes.

In that train car, it appears there was any not any excess of mental health or empathy to go around. Sadly it is kind of a snapshot of The USA. You have an "honorable" trained killer who was a blackbelt on the side for fun. A mental guy being desperate to get a little cash for his latest urgent "need" made the mistake of death threatening a random woman. The legitimacy of that "need" we will probably not know. I think they are gonna judge that he requires some therapy and let him go. He's white and "A Warrior." He is probably going to get money for his disability, to not kill, too. The other guy, well he's dead.

I’m sorry, but “mental illness” is not a justification for how that black was behaving on the train. He didn’t necessarily deserve to die, but… he asked for it.

The trains and buses need to stop tolerating the crazies. Daniel Penny situations are what happens when you don’t enforce a strict code of conduct.

In 2024, “empathy” will get you killed r56

Mental illness is not important…he was a threat and neutralizion was required

[quote] In that train car, it appears there was any not any excess of mental health or empathy to go around.

What?! We should just sit back and let women get assaulted because the perp has mental health problems??! The fuck are you talking about? Jesus Christ, no wonder people are voting for Trump.

You want to defund the police and promote lawlessness then prepare for vigilantism. NYC is out of control.

Dan Penny wasn’t a vigilante r60…he was a Good Samaritan and a defender to those who couldn’t defend themselves.

[quote] “mental illness” is not a justification for how that black was behaving on the train. He didn’t necessarily deserve to die, but… he asked for it.

"That black," R57? And he didn't "necessarily" deserve to die, but he asked to be put in a chokehold by this vigilante cunt?

R57, you're every bit the moron you sound like you are. Now go fuck off.

Penny is a killer. It is for a jury to decide if he was a "good samaritan" or a "defender."

He's a fucking killer who had no right to choke someone else to fucking death. This big, brave ex-marine couldn't "restrain" him without putting him into a chokehold? I hope he does time for this.

OP has a sad, schoolgirl crush on this killer. How pathetic you are, OP.

Jordan Neely lost his right to life the moment he started making threats.

He may not have deserved to die, but he certainly didn’t deserve to continue to live.

Sheesh, Id hate to be on trail in front of you bloodlusting queens.

According to R66, a crazy person ranting threats on a crowded train deserves to forfeit his life for verbal threats alone.

[quote] He may not have deserved to die, but he certainly didn’t deserve to continue to live.

You don't realize how contradictory your statement is, you stupid cunt?

[quote] You want to defund the police and promote lawlessness then prepare for vigilantism. NYC is out of control.

Actually, NYC is one of the safest places in the country. It’s just very big so a lot of shit happens.

Real men are ready and able kill when defending those who they care about r65

Its not surprising that you cannot conceive of that thought

Real men, OP/R70, you queen? Why don't you go back to the 50s? Real men don't murder homeeless crazy people.

But do go back to sucking his cock, since you're so wet for him. Just because you have a crush on him doesn't make this killer a hero--except in your twinkly eyes, Mary.

You’re black, right r71?

No, R72, I'm a white gay guy who's lived in NYC for decades. Now let me ask you: do you live in NYC?

How many decades have you lived in your life? R73

Does anyone here speak Idiot? Maybe they can translate R74's question for me.

Don’t get defensive r75

Sure, R76, if you'll try not to be a moron.

I get it now…you exclusively prefer for your sex partners to be men of color r77

That explains your unwarranted rage

So, R78, it's clear you have nothing real to say, hence grasping at nonexistent straws. Btw, you didn't answer the question if you live in NYC.

Michael Jackson was always a deep, personal hero of mine. It was so hard for me to hear of him being killed again.

Finally, silence from Miss R78 after being asked a direct question--twice.

We all love BBC r79

But SANE BBC

Your lust for crazy homeless BBC with long criminal records is exciting for you, but any other person is less enthusiastic about a threatening insane hobo.

R81 surprise!

And, R82, I guess you like to lust after straight men who would just as soon put YOU in a chokehold than tolerate your pathetic groping of his junk.

And clearly you don't live in NYC but are too cowardly to admit that. Bye-bye.

[quote]Everybody hates the gays. Especially other gays.

Especially religious people i.e. the mentally ill.

And vigilante marines--they hate the gays even more, R86.

[quote] We all love BBC

I like both television news and radio.

R85 is in danger of stroking out

Do tell us when you smell burning toast.

R68, no, it’s not contradictory.

It’s the difference between having something taken from you versus being treated with a certain level of care.

The point is, Jordan Neely was owed no duty to have his life protected.

[quote] Actually, NYC is one of the safest places in the country.

Sure, Jan.

R87, there are tons of gay marines.

Those are some dinner plate nipples on him. I could lick those plates clean.

As for Neely did any of the new Yorkers in this thread care for him in life? Would you even remember the face of the last homeless man you saw? He shouldn't have been threatening strangers in a claustrophobic space and New York shouldn't be allowing mentally ill people free reign to roam the city. Even dangerous dogs get put in a shelter or put down. If none of you cared about Neely in life why are you working yourself into a froth over his death? This is a circus to distract from the many many failures of the city. I'm just gonna enjoy the sexy Marine.

I'm with R94. It's the final solution to urban blight. Round up the homeless and the mentally ill roaming our great cities and put them down. Why don't we make a sport of it and hire great-looking young warriors to do it, too. After each culling, they can do sex videos with each other showing off their classic grecian beauty and prowess.

I've talked to mentally ill homeless men r95. What they have in common is they've all been churned out by a shitlib paradigm that thinks of us all as meat. This trial is not about Neely but drilling into you and me that the only acceptable response to social destruction is paralysis, anything else and the state will dance on your neck. Again, do you remember the face of the last homeless man you saw?

To be honest, that is a rough looking 24-year-old.

The self righteousness of r96 is hilarious

You just can’t kill mentally ill homeless people.

Anybody can kill THREATENING mentally ill homeless people r99

No violent hobo will ever change his behavior unless he’s sees his peers get strangled by three Good Samaritans

Women generally can’t strangle violent men hobos, even as a team of three, but guns will level the field

If he can just maintain his looks until the trial.

His hair looks good here but other pics shows thinning. Hang onto those angel locks blonde racist, they are your get out of jail free card.

He looks like Marjoe Gortner in EARTHQUAKE.

I can’t wait until the mustache trend is over.

If you don’t like mustaches, don’t grow one r104

[Quote] Yet only the white blond guy was charged.

Because only the white blond guy killed anyone

The two gentlemen of color who held the threatening man of color down so that our blonde warrior hero could neutralize him were NOT charged r106

That alone tells us that this is a travesty of justice

I had a Daniel Penny experience on the A train a few months ago on a Saturday afternoon. I wrote about it here. A big guy gets one, street clothes, but clean and tidy. He's holding a big walking stick and a thing that looked like a gun but I later saw was a massage machine. He yelled he was going to decide who was going to go hell or heaven. Then went to all the Whites and Asians demanding money, yelling into the face of a young Asian guy, "ALL ASIANS ARE GOING TO DIE!" The whole thing was frightening and soul destroying. I now carry pepper spray. Never again will I be so intimidated and frightened. Neely was a fucking piece of shit fool. He tried to push a woman onto the tracks the day before. I'm very glad he's dead. If more men fought back, these sad excuses for men wouldn't pull their shit.

[quote] If more men fought back, these sad excuses for men wouldn't pull their shit.

Amen brother.

Real men fight. They don’t fold against criminals, the insane and hobos.

He looks like Patient Zero with curly hair whenever he dons a mustache.

This guy is not a hero. I hope the judicial system agrees.

[quote]You just can’t kill mentally ill homeless people.

When a Good Samaritan like Penny is subduing a possibly dangerous person and protecting others, it's possible that the dangerous person may accidentally die as a result. The fact that the dangerous person happens to be mentally ill or homeless has no bearing on the situation.

Did the hobo really try to push a woman onto the tracks?

If so, who are the morons wailing over the supposed "injustice" of the hobo's death?

Because the hobo was black and the Good Samaritan is white r112

R110 is a weak effeminate teacher's pet.

Servicemembers are among the easiest to radicalized because they are accustomed to taking orders and not thinking. They are trained to be observant. Also, many of them have undiagnosed mental illness, including PTSD. I think it is possible that this marine was placed in apprehension of a greater threat than actually presented by Neely. The whole situation is tragic. I trust a NY jury to determine if this was a criminal homicide.

[quote]Neely was a fucking piece of shit fool. He tried to push a woman onto the tracks the day before. I'm very glad he's dead. If more men fought back, these sad excuses for men wouldn't pull their shit.

Not a single thing you complained about demands death as a penalty.

He had huge mental illness. Is killing people with mental illness that way society should get rid of them?

Before you say yes, remember that being gay was once considered a mental illness too. How many times have we heard heard after well-publicized gay bashings and deaths--"That faggot deserved it."

[quote]Servicemembers are among the easiest to radicalized because they are accustomed to taking orders and not thinking.

Service members also have a messiah complex that they're supposed to save the world

[quote]When a Good Samaritan like Penny is subduing a possibly dangerous person and protecting others, it's possible that the dangerous person may accidentally die as a result. The fact that the dangerous person happens to be mentally ill or homeless has no bearing on the situation.

Being mentally ill in fact has the MAIN bearing on this. He may be perceived as dangerous when he wasn't at all. It's no surprise that Penny isn't a NYer. Subway riders knew this mentally ill guy and weren't threatened by him because they knew he was mentally ill. Penny, not used to NY subways, figured he could be a hero and "save" everyone by killing the guy.

Yes, because every New Yorker is psychic and would have divined, by telepathy or their crystal ball, that a raving lunatic who is trapped in an enclosed area with them, is not a threat r118

🙄

The woman pushed on the subway tracks the day before felt threatened R118.

R118 you are a total liar. People who were on the train said they felt threatened. I have been on the subway when these intimidating pieces of shit get on the train and threaten law abiding people. You can feel the fear and see it on other people's faces. Fuck off, dumbass. People like you can no longer guilt people into silence or tell blatantly lies and get away with it anymore. Thank God Neely is dead! He deserved it.

I’m not, R114.

What I am, is a person who doesn’t believe that we as a society, CANNOT run around NYC or anywhere else in this country, killing or harming people willy nilly because we dislike them or because we think they genuinely deserve death.

We have something called the justice system in this country, so if it’s wrong to kill George Floyd, it’s wrong to kill a mentally ill, homeless bum too.

The fact that people support this murderer is beyond disturbing. Everything is great until someone decides that this is the day YOU die under some sham vigilante justice whether warranted or unwarranted in the mind of your murderer, isn’t it?

R122 you're an imbecile. He threatened a woman's life and the lives of those in that car.

Its too bad he didn't live so we can lock you in a car with him while we chide you to show compassion. Methinks the bleeding heart queen would be screeching for vigilante justice rather quickly.

[quote] Yes, because every New Yorker is psychic and would have divined, by telepathy or their crystal ball, that a raving lunatic who is trapped in an enclosed area with them, is not a threat [R118]

New Yorkers see people like this all the time on the trains. We're used to it and no one feels threatened.

I'm assuming you're not a NYer

Were you at Trump's rally yesterday at MSG, R123. You sound like you'd fit right in with the other brownshirts and stormtrooper wannabes that were in attendance.

[quote] He threatened a woman's life and the lives of those in that car.

Oh please, crazy people on NY trains constantly threaten people on subway cars. No one pays attention and no one actually feels threatened...until they poop in their pants.

Is r125 satire or just an idiot?

Is R127 simply off his thorazine, or does he need to have his dosage quadrupled?

Only his shrink (who apparently is AWOL) only knows for sure.

I knew Jordan Neely from traveling in the subway system. He was a bit strange but I never saw him as being threatening or dangerous. Perhaps he was a bit aggressive that day, but I doubt he was actually threatening anybody. Penny made his own judgement call and decided to restrain him with a choke-hold, he should pay the consequences for killing him.

A penny for your jizz?

[quote] Perhaps he was a bit aggressive that day, but I doubt he was actually threatening anybody

Many people who were actually in the car say different r133

Always the ad hominem attacks r132

No links to support his ludicrous statements…just bellowing that New Yorkers are immune to fear, even when their heads are being beaten in or being pushed onto the subway tracks

I hope the Brillo-headed prick does time.

It would be just to see those wishing ill on Penny for being a Good Samaritan end up being killed or severely wounded by someone who is similar to the perpetrator who died on the subway.

That's a twisted view. A Good Samaritan doesn't kill people. That is a vigilante.

In 2024, Good Samaritan kill people who can’t prey on people who can’t defend themselves

I wish he had done it in a jock strap.

A Good Samaritan does what Penny tried to do to neutralize the perpetrator and save the other passengers.

The passengers didn’t need saving

R131, not sure what the point of the links are.

Ironically the people who commit these crimes aren’t usually the mentally imbalanced people you see on the subway day after day

[quote]The passengers didn’t need saving

If you mean that Penny saved the other passengers from the danger that the perpetrator posed, then yes.

Yet again r144 is making statements that has pulled out of rancid prolapsed ass.

Thank you for telling the truth

Danny Penny is a spiritual Batman

Men who get on a subway train and threaten death to a carload of people are completely unacceptable in a civil society and they should get what they deserve. Too bad if they are mentally ill and off their meds. If it has gotten this far, we really need to open institutions again and they need to be in them. We spend a tremendous amount on treatment outreach programs, group homes, acute psych units and courts and the system still does not work. Some people are better served in humane, long-term psychiatric units. It is better for them, their families and society.

[quote]If it has gotten this far, we really need to open institutions again and they need to be in them.

Of course that's true, and it was a tragic, horrific mistake to close those institutions in the first place. They should unquestionably be reopened, but I think the chances of that happening, and of mentally ill people being consigned to them as they used to be, are close to absolute zero.

R98 I can smell smug neoliberals pantomiming empathy. And this threads infested with them. You can't remember the face of the last homeless man you saw.

Look here, Neely was alive when the police refused to give him mouth-to-mouth.

‘He seemed to be a drug user.. he was an apparent drug user. He was very dirty. I didn’t want them to get… hepatitis,’ Johnson said.

‘If he did wake up he would have been vomiting. I didn’t want my officers to do that.

Circus trial.

Whether Neely was alive or not, after released from the choke hold, is unclear. The police arrived and attempted at least 5 ways of reviving him to no affect.

What is important is

1) Penny was completely trained in choke holds and knows who dangerous it is to maintain a choke hold on an unconscious person. Neely went limp and unconcious and Penny did not release.

2) Penny maintained the choke hold for five minutes after passengers could leave the train! There was no-one left to protect! And Neely was already unconscious, and probably dead.

3) Penny also knows First Aid, and gave none.

I don't know Penny so won't say he has a screw loose. But Penny made a series of horrible decisions, after his arguably good first one to restrain Neely.

It's manslaughter. In my opinion. And a damned shame for Penny and Neely and society.

His posture is incredible. I'm envious.

And yes, that's what I got from reading this thread in case anyone asks.

[quote]Penny made a series of horrible decisions, after his arguably good first one to restrain Neely.

This seems like a rational assessment of what happened, although I wouldn't describe Penny's initial decision to restrain the raving lunatic Neely as "arguably good." I would say it was unquestionably good, and also brave.

There are some on the jury holding fast to the principle that Good Samaritans should be afforded legal protection. Let’s hope they continue to hold out.

How do you know that R155? Aren't the jurors sequestered?

I’d eat his ass.

[quote] How do you know that [R155]?

R158: He should be cautiously optimistic.

Bizarre how people have misinterpreted the ‘Good Samaritan’ story which describes a third party taking a less fortunate person in, helping them recover and making sure they’re safe, with someone who killed the less fortunate person. Like how ignorant do you have to be to say that Daniel penny is similar to a Good Samaritan out loud?

I would like to Fuck him like an animal!!

R160, in this context, it refers to “legal protection to people who give reasonable assistance to those who are, or whom they believe to be injured, ill, in peril, or otherwise incapacitated. The protection is intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death.”

It was reasonable assistance to aid the passengers on the train by neutralizing the threat posed by Mr. Neely. As a society, we want people like Mr. Penny to do as he did and provide assistance to help others.

Well said r162

[quote] It was reasonable assistance

I disagree. You’re saying that as an opinion as if it’s fact R162. Also your ‘Good Samaritan’ legalese also is a subversion of the standard meaning. Just because someone says something, doesn’t mean it’s true. Also he didn’t neutralize him, he killed him, let’s respect reality here.

"Jordan Neely, a homeless man with schizophrenia".

Mr Penny should be given a medal. He took action , he likely saved lives or other harm from occuring.

Now in the United States it's impossible to place an individual involuntarily in a residential situation where they are checked for compliance to any antipsychotic drugs that need to keep them more or less stable. Mr Neely clearly not compliant, clearly violent had to be stopped. Mr Penny due to his training was able to recognize the threat and then mitigate the threat. Thank God he was on that train.

[quote] I disagree. You’re saying that as an opinion as if it’s fact [R162].

R164, the evidence that a person like Mr. Neely was providing reasonable assistance to help others is presented in court, along with the claims from the prosecution of manslaughter and negligence and anything they hope supports their claims, and then the jury is the trier of fact and makes the determination if the reasonable assistance provided by someone like Mr. Penny meets the legal definition of it.

Fortunately, at this point, it appears that some jurors are applying the principle that a Good Samaritan providing reasonable assistance like Mr. Penny did should be protected.

[quote] a person like Mr. Neely was providing reasonable assistance

Sorry, “a person like Mr. Penny was providing reasonable assistance”.

[quote] You just can’t kill mentally ill homeless people.

Apparently you can.

It’s tragic he was killed. Just imagine what he could have accomplished if he had only lived.

If the mentally ill homeless people are a THREAT, yes you can r168

No one is taking about executing a harmless mentally ill hobo

[quote] the evidence that a person like Mr. Neely was providing reasonable assistance to help others is presented in court, along with the claims from the prosecution of manslaughter and negligence and anything they hope supports their claims, and then the jury is the trier of fact and makes the determination if the reasonable assistance provided by someone like Mr. Penny meets the legal definition of it.

Yea no shit R166. It’s to be determined. In your earlier comment you wrote about it as if it had been determined, which I correctly said was subjective at this point.

R171, while we already know from the video and testimony that Penny acted appropriately to incapacitate Neely, and was certainly morally justified in doing so, the jury has to make the legal decision. We know that juries can wrongfully convict innocent people like Penny, but it appears that one or more jurors is attempting to do the right thing and find him not guilty on the most serious charge.

[quote] while we already know from the video and testimony that Penny acted appropriately to incapacitate Neely, and was certainly morally justified in doing so, the jury has to make the legal decision.

R172 your opinion. Which nobody gives a fuck about. Sorry x.

There’s a real problem with literacy on this website recently.

Agreed, R173. R172 is trying to justify as a foregone conclusion that the killing was moral, which it wasn't, unless one thinks going around enacting vigilante justice as the vigilante sees fit is moral and up to the vigilante to decide. I would like to see him convicted, but the jury is all white but for one, which I think will, sadly, result in his acquittal.

I recently represented a client who was assaulted by an “unarmed black man” on the King County Bus in Seattle. This black man wasn’t acting as bad as Jordan Neely, but he was acting bad enough where the bus driver should have promptly pulled over and ordered him off the bus. The law required it, too.

People need to have higher standards and stop accepting Jordan Neely’s behavior. What other alternative use of force did Daniel Penny have?

[quote] the jury is all white but for one, which I think will, sadly, result in his acquittal.

Hopefully, a more mixed jury would also do the proper legal and moral thing by acquitting Penny, although sadly, some say that jurors may vote to convict Penny because of race.

Jordan Neely should have been pushed off the moving subway.

[quote] What other alternative use of force did Daniel Penny have?

He had no right to use any, R175.

R174 I completely agree with you.

R178 is a pussy

The top charge has been dropped, but the defense believes that could ultimately harm Penny. We need to hope that the jurors who want to do the right thing will continue to vote not guilty on the lesser charges.

His life is ruined anyways.

Why was this Neely idiot carrying on loudly and threatening other passengers? Why didn't he just sit down and ride the train?

[QUOTE] The top charge has been dropped, but the defense believes that could ultimately harm Penny. We need to hope that the jurors who want to do the right thing will continue to vote not guilty on the lesser charges.

What that judge did was highly improper. Clearly he has it in for Penny.

You don't keep up, do you, R183? Typical know-nothing you are. He was mentally disturbed, as has been proven. But I guess that qualifies him as deserving to die because he was "scary."

The prosecutor, Dafna Yoran, is one fucking ugly lesbian, social justice warrior who probably hates Penny in every fiber of her being.

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 pray for our golden haired hero🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

“Mental illness” is not an excuse to be making death threats.

It would be one thing if this happened in a park and Daniel Penny apprehended Jordan Neely in the park. People could simply walk away from Jordan Neely.

But because Jordan Neely was behaving this way in an enclosed space, Daniel Penny was justified, even if it resulted in an accidental death.

Mental illness is not an excuse.

I don’t care what the mental state of a person who is threatening me is

All I know is: this person is a threat and requires neutralization

FUCK AROUND AND FIND OUT

It’s like in The Last of Us, when a person gets infected with the brain fungus, you don’t dwell on who they were before or on their humanity. When they’re coming at you to harm you, you stop them.

I’m pro choice, but just remember. Fetuses are innocent. Why should Jordan Neely have the right to life after his conduct when fetuses don’t?

"But because Jordan Neely was behaving this way in an enclosed space, Daniel Penny was justified, even if it resulted in an accidental death."

It says: Thou shalt not kill.

Doesn't say anything about an accident.

I love how "God fearing Christians" fail to heed their own Bible, deliberately and with full malice towards all.

Thou shalt not threaten the lives of innocent, unarmed men, women and children on an enclosed subway car.

I'm not making an excuse, R188--it was asked why the victim wasn't sitting and just being quiet.

I would add choking a man slowly to death is no excuse, either.

The prosecutor. She should be in prison for being so ugly.

Reposting for the idiot who can't post X links properly.

^^^asshole

[QUOTE] Describe the woman prosecuting Daniel Penny in one word

Sunkissed.

Is it just one crazy person here who has a hard-on for this guy, or are their many?

“There”

I feel like you would get VD from kissing that woman.

It’s hilarious, this pretzel twisted logic defending this murderer.

Just say, the self-entitled white man has the right to kill the marginalised black man.

No need to bring parks and fetuses into it. It’s just embarrassing.

I'm curious, R202, do you honestly believe in your heart that Penny would not have taken the same actions if the violent person on the train had been white? If you don't believe that, then you shouldn't have mentioned that the violent person was black, because it's immaterial, and the the fact that you mentioned it makes YOU a racist.

Did you get an extra sliver of potato in your dinner at the troll farm for a that pathetic post r202, da?

R202 is correct, R203. It's amazing how clowns like you suddenly don't "see" color and falsely accuse others of racism just because race is mentioned.

R202, if Daniel Penny had been black, he would never have been charged for killing Jordan Neely. The only reason he’s charged is because he is a white man that killed a black man.

Black on white violence is so common that it wouldn’t even make the local news in Peoria

No, the answer in it Danny Penny’s golden locks and that served his country in the Marines

Right, R206, because it's infamous how many white men (especially cops) are always being put on trial for killing black men--and getting convicted! Something should be done to help the persecuted white men!

Especially pretty, blond, ringleted white men! Thank you for your service, pretty, blond, ringleted white military man! Kill any black man you want--you make feel so safe!

[quote] you make feel so safe!

Boris, run that through Google translate again, da?

We can only hope they threw out the more serious charge but will convict him on the lesser charge. He'll have a good time in prison, trying to keep himself safe.

Of course, I'm not counting on that. They probably have a few odious idiots like OP on the jury.

R205, if you DON'T believe Penny would have taken the same actions if the violent, dangerous person on the subway had been white, you are a fool as well as a racist.

We get it, Miss R212--you're wet for your ringleted vigilante killer.

R213, your insulting language is infantile, but I understand you resort to that because you cannot answer my question as to whether you honestly don't believe that Penny would have taken the same actions if the violent, dangerous man on the subway had been white. Until such time as you are willing to HONESTLY answer that question, please keep your worthless comments to yourself.

R214, I'm sorry you're so in love with this killer that it leads you to rant. Yes, I believe that the ringleted killer would feel free to murder a white victim as much as a black victim. He clearly feels entitled enough to take the law into his own hands. There's your answer.

Thanks for finally answering the question, R215. But then you shouldn't fully defend the comment that "the self-entitled white man has the right to kill the marginalised black man," because you now have honestly admitted that race didn't play a part in this terrible event.

That's not my comment, R216. You're quoting someone else. You poor dim bulb.

R217, you seem very confused. R202 wrote "Just say, the self-entitled white man has the right to kill the marginalised black man.," and when I objected to that comment because of the racist charge, you responded by writing "R202 is correct." I know you didn't write the original comment, but you expressed your agreement with it.

R202 never said the ringleted killer wouldn't kill a white person as well.

The killer would pull a deadly chokehold on anyone he deems should die for scaring people--he'd probably snuff out a child if the kid looked at him the wrong way. Killers gotta kill.

GOLD

CHOKER

[quote] Look at his blond curly locks, like a Greek statue.

[quote] Danny Penny is the hero that we want, but don’t deserve.

DANNY? OP is such a lovestruck MARY.

I don’t think there’s a single black person in the country that would agree with you.

But why not, R223? They wouldn't see the "blond curly locks, like a Greek statue" and think he was their savior?

[quote][R202] never said the ringleted killer wouldn't kill a white person as well.

No, R202 never precisely said that, but he made a point that Penny was white and Neely was black, thereby strongly implying that racism was involved in the killing without actually stating that.

And if you're going to insist that you don't agree with this, you're lying.

R225, I've made it more than clear that this guy would kill anyone he deemed a threat because he sees himself as arbiter of who lives and dies, AND that OP has a girl crush on the killer with his, and I quote, "blond curly locks, like a Greek statue."

Okay, R226. I understand. But then, to repeat, you shouldn't have expressed full agreement with the poster who strongly implied that this killing was at least partly about racism.

And P.S., needless to say, if YOU had been one of the passengers in that enclosed subway car, with that insane person terrorizing everyone by ranting and screaming about how he wanted to die, you MIGHT feel very differently about this situation.

But what did the guy actually do, besides make people uncomfortable? Not that Penny or anyone else should have had to wait for the situation to potentially escalate, but was anyone physically assaulted prior to the takedown? I know that accosting someone aggressively enough can trigger self-defense, but how far can you go?

R227, don't presume to tell me what I should or shouldn't do. And YOU have no proof the killer isn't a racist, DO YOU?

And needless to say, you have no idea how I would have reacted. I know I would have been horrified at the sight of a vigilante slowly squeezing the life out of another human being just for being mentally ill. Mr. Marine could have incapacitated him without killing him. I can only imagine how that trauma will also stay with people--but "curly blond locks, like a Greek statue," right?

[quote] just for being mentally ill

Hey dipshit r229…Neeley wasn’t “just being mentally ill”…he was threatening everyone is a closed space where there was no option for escape from this psycho.

Daniel Penny did the right thing.

R228, the victim laid no hand on anyone in that subway car. No one. He was mentally ill and not on medication. But OP/R227 seems to think it's okay to kill mentally ill people if they're scary enough.

Look, the white on black remark - whether it applies to Penny or not - was primarily stated as the p.o.v. of the media, the prosecutors and the jury.

If Daniel Penny was a black man - even if he was a military veteran - who killed a white person in chokehold on the subway, you better fucking believe he'd be serving a life sentence, if wasn't killed already.

Black people are killed for non-existent traffic violations. They certainly wouldn't survive in the above scenario.

Correct, R232.

But R232...blond curly locks! Greek statue!

[quote]If Daniel Penny was a black man - even if he was a military veteran - who killed a white person in chokehold on the subway, you better fucking believe he'd be serving a life sentence, if wasn't killed already.

I simply don't believe this is true, not if the killing happened under the same circumstances. And I don't think you believe it's true, either.

Similarly, although of course I don't know R229 (and don't think I want to), I believe he's being dishonest about how he would have felt about the killing if he had been a passenger in that subway car.

R235, you can believe whatever you want--as far as your own beliefs go. You don't have any right or knowledge of total strangers to tell them what you think they really think. Talk about arrogance. Who do YOU think you are?

I said exactly what I believe. If it's not the answer that aligns with your thinking, tough shit. And I wouldn't want to know you, either--anyone who has such a sad, schoolgirl crush on a total stranger is too ridiculous to know.

R236, in assuming that I have a crush on Daniel Perry, which is beyond ridiculous, you are presuming to know what I think, so you're as guilty of arrogance as you think I am.

If you want to keep insisting that if you had been a passenger in that subway car, you would have felt sorry that Penny subdued the violent person rater than relief that he neutralized the threat -- okay, fine. Maybe someday you'll find yourself in an enclosed subway car on a moving train with a raving maniac terrorizing you and the other passengers, and if so, maybe then you will change your tune.

It sounds like that's something you'd like to have happen to me, R237.

As for your infatuation with this vigilante killer, your own posts speak for themselves. And if you call choking someone to death, who never actually raised a hand to anyone on that train, including his killer, as being "neutralized," not killed, well, that's pretty sick. You haven't uttered one word of sympathy toward the dead, mentally ill man--not one word. He's merely been "neutralized." How grotesque you are.

Yeah, I keep being disgusted by this “neutralized the threat” nonsense. Somebody plays too many video games

And if that isn't the height of racism--this man who died wasn't human, he's just a thing to be put down by the golden-locked hero. And R237 is such a coward that he won't even admit that kind of language--that of dehumanizing people as the "other"--isn't just racist, as it is in this case, but inhuman.

The grossly ugly dyke prosecutor referred to Daniel as "the White man" several times throughout the trial. How the fuck was this allowed? What does this tell you?

4% of the population is committing 50% of the violent crime in the US. When a black man shouts that he is going to kill people, believe him.

No one, including me, is saying Neely "wasn't human," doesn't deserve sympathy, and shouldn't be mourned for his death. The fact is that people like him should be institutionalized rather than out in public, unless their mental illness can be controlled by drugs, but many times these people don't take the drugs that will help them, and in this case, it seems Neely had instead taken drugs that would only make things worse for his condition. Since mentally ill people can no longer be involuntarily institutionalized, the responsibility must be on THEM (and, I suppose, any caring family members and friends) to keep them on meds that can control their violent behavior. At any rate, it should not be a cost of living in the city that regular citizens should be terrorized by someone who's screaming and ranting about death in an enclosed subway car on a moving train.

This guy he so little self control that he couldn’t subdue the man without choking the life out of him. He’s the terror

R241 is taking a page from the MAGAt playbook to express her racism proudly.

[quote] When a black man shouts that he is going to kill people, believe him.

Except it wasn't the black man who killed anyone, it was the white man who killed him, you stupid mutant R241.

Not guilty. Just announced.

R245, the White man was quietly going about his business as a honest, productive citizen. It was the black man who got on the train and threatened the lives of everyone on that train. It was the black man who had a history of assault, including fracturing the orbital bone of a woman and attempting to push a woman on to the tracks the day before. The black man pulled the usual shit and he fucking found out.

Not Guilty...justice was done.

[quote]This guy he so little self control that he couldn’t subdue the man without choking the life out of him.

And yet I'd feel much safer sitting on the subway next to a Daniel Penny than I would a Jordan Neely.

[quote] The black man pulled the usual shit and he fucking found out.

You're a racist cunt, R247. Blocked.

Men with ringleted coiffure don't belong in jail.

OUR GOLDEN HAIRED HERO IS TRIUMPHANT

THANK YOU DANNY PENNY

YOU ARE THE CHAMPION WE WANT BUT DON’T DESERVE

If Penny and Neely were the same race nobody would care.

Or if a black man throttles a white man r253

No left winger ACAB Gay For Gaza protester would give a shit

More of this. Stand up for protecting the weak. Mental illness or drug induced psychosis are not excuses to threaten or harm innocent people.

Ringleted, heterosexual patriotic man saves the day.

R256 Thank God!

I didn't follow the trial all those closely. Does anyone here know if, at any point, Penny made any statement as to why he continued the chokehold after Neely was obviously no longer a threat? That seems to be the absolute crux of the matter.

Google it, you lazy whore ^

R259, I'm assuming it would take some time to find the answer to that specific question via Google, so (1) up yours, and (2) if anyone else knows the answer to my question, I'd appreciate knowing it.

R260 - he was holding him until the police came but they took over ten minutes to respond to the 911 call. Chokeholds knock people out in about ten seconds so that seems believable. Otherwise, why roll around the floor with a stinky guy for six minutes if you don’t have to. Witnesses testified that he wasn’t choking the guy, one lady said “respectable hold.” Penny is seen on the video asking if people had called the cops. Neely was high on K2 and in a sickle cell crisis so the combo probably killed him. All the witnesses testified for Penny, said they were terrified and thought they were going to die.

Excuses are constantly made for Neely, either poverty, drug abuse or mental illness. Every group in New York City struggles with these issues. The city spend millions on trying to help these people, including Neely who the city had set up in housing and outpatient services, which he walked away from.

What I find interesting is that you never see crazed Asians, Whites or any other demographic getting on the subway and intimidating and threatening (with death no less) innocent people. Black males, however...all the time. Call me racist for telling the truth. I don't care. Enough with excusing and putting up with this Cluster B behavior.

Except for the white man being the murderer here, you mean?

Thanks, R261. So the only thing I would say against Penny is that IF he had Neely in an actual chokehold and continued that hold well after he went limp, THEN Penny bears at least some responsibility for Neely's death. But as you say, it's not clear that's what happened.

R264, the "murder" would never have happened if a mentally ill person hadn't come onto that subway car and started screaming and threatening violence. Daniel Penny would haver have instigated any violent behavior. And, of course, you know all this. So shut up.

^^^Sorry, "Daniel Penny would never have instigated any violent behavior."

R264 - In addition, I believe under the law, as long as he truly believed people were in deadly danger, the use of deadly force is considered justified. It’s been a while since my law class in college but the legal language does allow for a mistake to happen if it’s an honest one. People don’t have to actually attack you, a severe and real threat is enough. Though in this case, I’m pretty sure he and the witnesses all said he was just trying to hold him and perhaps pressing down when Neely moved around to free himself. Nobody wanted that guy being let loose in a station or even out on the street which is why other people were trying to help restrain him and all the witnesses stuck around to help and talk to the cops. It’s a tragedy all around and he was breathing and alive when cops arrived who offered no help.

^^^^R267, has it been established for certain that Neely "was breathing and alive when cops arrived who offered no help?" And had Penny let up on the hold by that point?

God bless the ringleted angel!

Hear hear r269

Who knows how many people Neeley would kill on that subway car that day.

Hip hip hooray for our blonde curly locked savior.

R268 from what I understand, all agreed he had a pulse. One cop said he was breathing and another said he wasn't so it's a point of dispute. EMT's didn't show up for 20 minutes and cops didn't administer first aid for several minutes out of fear of catching something (!) I guess that might have been where reasonable doubt came in - a chaotic scene and no one knows when he actually died?

Thanks, R271. I guess my point is that IF Nelly WAS actually breathing after Penny let go of the hold, then it wasn't the hold that killed him. Because when you 're choking someone, either you choke them till they're dead, or you don't -- and if you don't, and they're still breathing after you let go, they're not going to suddenly die a few minutes later.

I hope that makes sense.

R263, "the White man" as the prosecutor liked to refer to him as, was just going about his business as a honest, productive citizen. Neely got on that train and threatened the lives of everyone on it. He also had a long history of assaulting people, breaking bones, and just a day before attempted to murder a woman by pushing her on the tracks.

Only in the West are idiots like you allowed to flourish.

R270 = Donald J Trump

[quote] He also had a long history of assaulting people, breaking bones, and just a day before attempted to murder a woman by pushing her on the tracks.

And even though Daniel Penny didn't have this information about Neely, one can only imagine it was clear from Neely's behavior on the train that day that he was truly dangerous and not just a crazy but harmless person shouting empty threats.

The hero/killer looks MAGA

So are his admirers.

R275, it happened to me this summer on the A train. I had been mugged a few times before, but this had no escape and you just wonder what the fuck is going to happen, at the very least you'll be humiliated by this piece of shit, at the very most you'll die. At the same time you think who the fuck thinks they have the right to get on a peaceful train and do this to people? Daniel didn't get on the train that morning aiming to kill someone, Neely got on that train threatening to kill people. Daniel was the guardrail governments are supposed to provide and are completely failing to do so in NYC.

And I pine away, wishing to be the wind beneath his masturbatory wings. When will I ever learn.

Over the years Ive seen Neely at least 2-3 times doing some performance or just asking for money on the trains. He didn't see threatening to me, but he obviously was on the date of the incident. I doubt he needed to be restrained let alone put in a chokehold for over 6 minutes. Only the most strong and healthy person can survive something like that. But the majority of people will not. I'm a in shape and healthy 50 year old, and I don't know if I would survive a 2 minute chokehold, let alone one for 6 minutes.

[quote]Over the years Ive seen Neely at least 2-3 times doing some performance or just asking for money on the trains. He didn't see threatening to me, but he obviously was on the date of the incident. I doubt he needed to be restrained let alone put in a chokehold for over 6 minutes.

I have not followed this case step by step, but someone here posted the following about Neely: "He also had a long history of assaulting people, breaking bones, and just a day before attempted to murder a woman by pushing her on the tracks." Assuming this is accurate information, R280, do you STILL "doubt he needed to be restrained let alone put in a chokehold?"

Except a real chokehold the way it is taught to Marines would kill you in a few seconds. Penny claimed he was restraining him for the police and the other passengers corroborated this. Otherwise, why hold him for six minutes? He could have choked him in one minute if that was his intent. He could have struck him, beat him up, etc. if he was trying to hurt him.

[QUOTE] I have not followed this case step by step, but someone here posted the following about Neely: "He also had a long history of assaulting people, breaking bones, and just a day before attempted to murder a woman by pushing her on the tracks." Assuming this is accurate information, [R280], do you STILL "doubt he needed to be restrained let alone put in a chokehold?"

But the New York Times told us he was a beloved performer.