What if Joe Biden was the better candidate all along?
What if Joe Biden was the better candidate all along?
by Anonymous | reply 37 | October 23, 2024 2:57 PM |
He is too old. The Hill is a right wing rag. Move it along toots.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | October 22, 2024 9:21 PM |
I already said that this was going to start and OP is starting this shit already.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | October 22, 2024 9:27 PM |
Let's not play this game.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | October 22, 2024 9:30 PM |
[Quote] What if Joe Biden was the better candidate all along?
What if Joe Biden was the better candidate all along?
by Anonymous | reply 4 | October 22, 2024 9:31 PM |
Yes, R3, they’ll be plenty of time for recrimination post-November 5th.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | October 22, 2024 9:32 PM |
By the way, for a little context, I remember the author of this opinion piece, Harlan Ullman, writing a few weeks before the Ukraine War began that Russia invading Ukraine would be crazy and they’d never do it — it was all a bluff.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | October 22, 2024 9:34 PM |
Are you posting from 2016 OP? Because I know you aren’t posting from 2024 if you have a brain in your head.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | October 22, 2024 9:49 PM |
[quote]What if Joe Biden was the better candidate all along?
Then he should have proven that at the debate in June. And he failed to do that. He failed miserably.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | October 22, 2024 9:53 PM |
The polling has been clear that Biden was headed to defeat but Harris has a chance. She also engenders a lot more enthusiasm. She’s without question the better choice for the Democrats between the two.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | October 22, 2024 9:54 PM |
Nope. I don't think so, OP.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | October 22, 2024 9:54 PM |
It's too late for all that.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | October 22, 2024 10:06 PM |
Sexist bullshit. Fuck you Harlan.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | October 22, 2024 10:12 PM |
He would not be able to campaign. Harris did 3 states yesterday. She will visit 6 states this week, doing multiple events every day. Biden would be able to do 2 per week at most. They would not be well attended unless he shared the bill with Obama/Clinton. Meanwhile Trump would be out there flooding the media with shit, winning every news cycle.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | October 22, 2024 10:14 PM |
What Michelle Obama had won by a landslide in 2016 and we were waiting for her VP Oprah to sweep the election?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | October 22, 2024 10:16 PM |
Notwithstanding Obama, this is still a racist country. Misogynist, too. If Harris loses, on the heels of Hillary’s defeat, it’s not a no-brainer to think that Biden, a white man who, alone, had the secret sauce to win over enough non-college educated white Rust Belt voters, could have done it again.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | October 22, 2024 10:16 PM |
Seriously? "We're gonna beat Medicare?" Referring to Kamala as "Vice-President Trump"? Referring to Zelensky as "President Putin"?
by Anonymous | reply 16 | October 22, 2024 10:20 PM |
R13, since we’re presupposing that Harris has lost for purposes of this thread, of what moment was it that she was able to campaign more exhaustively than Biden could have?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | October 22, 2024 10:22 PM |
Seriously, r17?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | October 22, 2024 10:25 PM |
[quote] Seriously? "We're gonna beat Medicare?" Referring to Kamala as "Vice-President Trump"? Referring to Zelensky as "President Putin"?
It made Biden more relatable to the voters living in memory care facilities, which Harris wouldn’t be able to do as well.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | October 22, 2024 10:28 PM |
I’m not saying definitively that Biden would’ve won in this counterfactual, R18, but he sure would’ve had some advantages, perhaps dispositive, over Harris. I don’t know where you live, but I live in a swing state, & I’m besieged with ads about how liberal Harris is, dating back to her DA days. The campaign reminds me much of the successful campaign against Dukakis. Biden would not have been as vulnerable to this line of attack.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | October 22, 2024 10:33 PM |
How does one campaign exhaustively?
by Anonymous | reply 22 | October 22, 2024 10:45 PM |
Yes!! Irling Haaland is Team Father Sir.
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by Anonymous | reply 23 | October 22, 2024 10:47 PM |
R8 Furthermore even if he wanted to redeem himself afterwards, the week following the debate he was gaffing like crazy AND looking crazy in the face. He called Zelensky the President of Russian. It was non stop gaffes and nonsensical rhythm of speech. Enuff with this bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | October 22, 2024 10:48 PM |
Any truth to the claims of some lip readers that Biden told Obama at the Ethel Kennedy memorial service that his numbers would be better than Harris? Let's not forget that Biden & his political team always thought he'd do better against Trump than she would.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | October 22, 2024 10:58 PM |
If Biden would be doing so much better why did her poll numbers go down after she stated she would not have done anything different from his administration.
EXACTLY.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | October 22, 2024 11:27 PM |
One critical advantage Biden would have is that he wouldn't be the undefined candidate. Being the undefined candidate allows the opposition to define you in the most negative way.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | October 23, 2024 12:53 AM |
One critical advantage Biden has is that he is a white straight man. I doubt Elon Musk would come up to support Trump avidly if Biden was still the candidate.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | October 23, 2024 8:13 AM |
R28 Isn't Elon's motivation (supposedly) that Biden didn't invite him to some WH gathering about electronic vehicles? Seems he'd be an avid supporter and wantonly cruel about Biden's physical decline.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | October 23, 2024 9:42 AM |
But he wasn't a better candidate, was he? Even if he'd won, he's clearly not up to four more years of the Presidency, whereas Harris has surprised everyone with just how suitable she is.
If people vote for Trump, it's because they want to vote for a racist fascist. Neither Biden nor Harris can give them that.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | October 23, 2024 1:58 PM |
[quote] Remember: voters are more likely to see Harris 2024 as too liberal vs. Biden 2020.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | October 23, 2024 2:15 PM |
What absolute horseshit.
Harris’ numbers vs Trump are still way better than Biden’s on his best day. She raised a fucking BILLION dollars in two and a half months!! Biden was failing there. She is filling large venues packed with enthusiastic supporters. Biden was absolutely failing there. She has generated a surge in new D voter registration since July 21, again, prior to that, Biden was not. And apples to apples, their debate performances against Trump speak for themselves.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | October 23, 2024 2:20 PM |
R29 Elon was pissed about not getting an invite to a WH meeting on vehicular tailpipe emissions. Bret Baier mentioned it in an interview with Secretary Pete who had to remind Baier that Musk makes Teslas that don’t have tailpipes.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | October 23, 2024 2:20 PM |
What stands out for me are the huge lies people on DL and elsewhere told about Biden appearing mentally sound, when there was already abundant evidence to the contrary just from his public appearances. The hyper-partisans will say anything that furthers their political goals.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | October 23, 2024 2:45 PM |
[quote] At a Chevy Chase fundraiser in June 2023, Bill Reichblum tells Woodward of Biden: “He never completed a sentence….He told the same story three times in exactly the same way and it meandered so much…Frankly, my impression was there were times…it was as though we didn’t exist. He was just rambling and talking as to what came into his head.”
Somehow the country is surviving with a president in this condition. I think we can also survive other difficulties in the future.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | October 23, 2024 2:55 PM |
What r1 said
by Anonymous | reply 36 | October 23, 2024 2:57 PM |
Two weeks to the election, OP. Be here now.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | October 23, 2024 2:57 PM |