Israel Using Starvation as Weapon of War Against Northern Gaza

No they absolutely are not.

I mean, can you blame them? They cleaned out the north and then focused on the south. By the time the south was cleared, they were stuck with a brand-new infestation of terrorists in the north that they had to get rid of all over again.

The north needs to be no man's land for there to be lasting peace. Should have been done decades ago.

R1, how do you know that?

Yes they are R1, see below article that is corroborated by multiple sources, including Israeli. Ethnic cleansing is in full force. The images I’ve seen coming out of northern Gaza in the last few days are horrifying.

How would the "most moral military" in the world do thi? never....

This short piece is very worth watching. Extremely dark. There is no doubt that the Israelis are committing genocide in Gaza. The parallels between what they’re doing in Gaza and what was done to Jewish people in Europe during the holocaust are at this point undeniable.

Yeah, those people are gross r6. Meaning the settlers, not Israelis generally. But also the Netanyahu cabinet, and as everyone already knows, admitting they have no fucking plan for what comes next, and don't intend to ever have a plan. I don't think it was all a "land grab" from the start, but it will become that because the settlers have a plan even if the government doesn't.

Jewish Journalist Masha Gessen (who famously called out Putin for all his fascism) wrote a major essay comparing what Israel is doing to how Nazi's used starvation as a weapon of war.

[quote] Yeah, those people are gross [R6]. Meaning the settlers, not Israelis generally.

I wish this were more true R7. It seem the majority of Israelis support what has been happening in Gaza. The massive protests that took place when Israel arrested some of its own prison guards for raping, torturing and killing Palestinian prisoners (protests in support of the prison guards to be clear), Israeli citizen groups blocking and destroying and trucks etc etc and the fact that Israel has been taking Palestinian land and keeping Palestinians in a stateless state without any meaningful protest from Israeli citizens for decades leads me to believe that it’s not just a far right fringe that are like this.

*food and medical trucks

It’s always legal when Israel does anything.

Why are Israel’s actions *always* compared to the Nazis?

So many conflicts around the world yet they’re never compared to any country.

‘Oh Israel are doing what the British did in Ireland’ or ‘Israel are doing what the Spanish did in Mexico’.

Why are they always compared to Nazis?

Is it any wonder why Arab-Americans are depressed about voting for the Vice President of this administration? To the rest of you, this is just some little story on the back burner that you sporadically read about whenever the media lets it creep past the headlines of Trump’s buffoonery.

For Muslim Americans, this is all they know. They can get their news from anywhere in the world now, they don’t need the New York Times. And they’ve been consumed by this story for over a year. They see the bloody videos. They read about Netanyahu’s latest barbaric maneuverings. Every. Day.

You can keep your head in the sand, but the Muslim world won’t.

Why are Muslim Americans (who are not Arabs) basing their votes on Palestine and not Afghanistan or Somalia?

R12 you really can’t understand the reason? The psychological value in understanding what’s behind Israel committing similar atrocities on Palestinians as were done to their ancestors is perplexing. Israel was created on the back of “never again” and now they’re just doing it.

Also - the manner in which they’re carrying out what they’re doing in Gaza (camps, starvation, forced migrations, ghettoization etc.) and in the West Bank (stealing houses for their own citizens, mass arrests) shouldn’t need explaining.

Most of the victims of the Nazi's were Jewish, R12. The Nazi's are responsible for the greatest number of Jewish deaths and most Israelis are Jewish.

So comparing Israel to the Nazis is basically telling Jews ‘you should know better after what was done to you’?

Or is it just intended to cause deliberate offence to compare Israel to the ideology that committed genocide against them?

R17 I think it’s a valuable tool to make it clear to people the danger that Palestinians are currently in from mass murder, and to draw attention to the mass murder that has already occurred, in order to stop it. It’s not really about offending Jewish Israelis, that shouldn’t be the focus here. I think you’re approaching it upside down. Your being upset by the potential for insult to Israeli Jews, yet not being outwardly upset by the Palestinian deaths is…….interesting.

So why not compare Netanyahu to Putin or Assad or Saddam Hussein, men who oversaw genocide in the region in recent years.

Why compare him to Hitler?

Is it because the same reason there were no protests over the genocide in Syria under Assad and the caliphates created by Islamic State?

No one gives a fuck about Muslims killing Muslims.

People get upset when Jews defend themselves.

R19 who compared him to hitler? This thread is about the danger to Palestinians from what Israel is doing to them, currently starving them. If you want to talk about terminology it might be an idea to set up your own thread, you’re kinda derailing things here.

[quote] Why are Israel’s actions *always* compared to the Nazis?

Nazis are the general paradigm of evil, so it’s not surprising. Plus, claiming Jews are behaving like Nazis has the added benefit of painting Jews as hypocrites, even if the comparison does not hold up to scrutiny.

I think for some it is a reaction against the idea that the Jews have a history of being victims of oppression since being “oppressed” is a currency now, and the story is that the Jews are privileged and oppressors, not oppressed people.

[QUOTE] If you want to talk about terminology it might be an idea to set up your own thread, you’re kinda derailing things here.

That was probably their intention, R20.

Would allowing food into northern Gaza help the terrorists? If so, there’s little choice. Everyone should hope that at some point the Gazans will turn against the terrorists, handing them over to Israel and ending the conflict.

If the people of Gaza are starving, why doesn't Hamas give them some of the food it stole?

Hasn't there been a Gaza is starving story about once a month over the last year?

R25 yes it’s been going on for a year and getting steadily worse. Israel has destroyed crops and livestock populations and the people have no fresh food. And water is extremely limited.

It’s tragic what the Palestinians have brought down upon themselves and their children.

Gaza has been said to be “on the brink of famine” more or less constantly for the last year.

During Operation Cast Lead, Israelis were accused of starving Palestinians with the blockade. Then it turned out they weren't. Are Aesop's Fables not taught in Gaza?

[quote] It’s tragic what the Palestinians have brought down upon themselves and their children.

What they wanted to bring down on Israel is happening to them instead. I’m sorry for the innocents, but I’m not going to blame Israel for this.

Why can't Egypt deliver aid to Gaza? They share a border.

They don’t want to.

r28 They persevere through constant starvation about as well as our own dear Darfur orphan. Who probably just celebrated her 40th.

Yes R28 it’s a terrible situation that Israel is imposing. To think of all those starving children.

When you’re dealing with brainwashed religious nuts who want to kill you and commit heinous terrorist acts, this is the only logical response. You have to fuck with them so badly and cause 100 times the damage they caused you, and let them know that next time it will be 1000 times the damage. Fuck them and all the stupid whacked out liberals who support terrorists.

Israel completely withdrew from Gaza more than two decades ago. It could have been a thriving nation that reassured Israel that peace was wanted and that it could be trusted with full sovereignty . Instead Hamas turned the entire territory into a military base from which they launched a quite literally insane attack to give life to the fantasy that they could destroy Israel. And many blame Israel for the resulting war. People who blame Israel have no credibility with me.

R35 this is just textbook genocide denialism - you do understand that yes? Hold people to account for their actions, this is important.

R37 Why do assholes like you insist on giving Muslims a free pass to do whatever they want? Would you like it if they chopped off YOUR sister’s tits or put YOUR baby nephew in an oven? Fuck you! I wish you were in Gaza.

There is no genocide. There is a war that the Gazans chose to start and are now, entirely predictably, losing.

One problem with tossing that word around so cynically is that no one will believe you if Israel ever does turn to genocide.

Maybe Hamas can let all the starving Gazans into their tunnels and share the UNRWA supplies with them?

[quote]One problem with tossing that word around so cynically is that no one will believe you if Israel ever does turn to genocide.

Like now?

We've spent the last 5 years hearing how there is a genocide against trans people because women don't want men in their sporting competitions.

How we're being told there's genocide because one group of people started a war against a second group of people and the second group are winning decisively.

All of the violence in the Middle East can be traced back to the same fantasy. That the Arabs can (and should) use violence to undo history. It has been tried repeatedly since 1948 and has failed again and again. People talk of a “two-state” solution as if that’s something the Arabs want, but when they were been given the chance (with the Gaza withdrawal and the Oslo accords)they ultimately said no because they are not really interested in living in peace with Israel. They want to destroy Israel.

R38 who said I’m giving anyone a free pass to do anything they want? You’re putting words in my mouth. Nobody put babies in ovens this has been debunked, why you repeat those lies I don’t know.

What I’m concerned about is what is actually happening, and that is ethnic cleansing of Gazans and mass slaughter or civilians by Israel. Forced starvation of children is more serious than “they want to do x but aren’t”, is it not? I don’t care as much about hypotheticals.

[quote] Like now?

Why would anyone believe you are suddenly telling the truth after a year of lies?

R44 And why do you, probably an upper middle class American white guy, care about terrorists and Gaza? Virtue signaling? And who debunked that? Al Jazeera?

I loved Mrs. SInwar's Birkin bag. It kind of says it all.

R44 has masturbation fantasises where he's held hostage by Sinwar and forced to having sex with him and dozens of other Hamas rapists.

R46 I think it was debunked by almost every major news organization. I’m not American, I wouldn’t describe myself as upper middle class. Why would I not be allowed to care about an unfolding genocide? Are you suggesting my thoughts should be controlled or policed? That’s very authoritarian of you. You people tell on yourselves every time lmao.

[quote] has masturbation fantasises where he's held hostage by Sinwar and forced to having sex with him and dozens of other Hamas rapists.

I don’t - what a strange thing to say. Again, telling on yourselves!

You are of course perfectly free to yell “GENOCIDE” and we are perfectly free to respond “bullshit!” That’s the beauty of living in a free society, which is course very different from the Islamo-fascist dictatorship you seem to feel such affinity for.

Gaza doesn't even break the Top 10

Please read about the countries and people who do and are. Thank you.

"These are the hungriest countries in the world in 2024"

Westerners’ love of Islamic dictatorships and terrorism is the logical result of a combination of deteriorating, education standards, social media and online echo chambers, and biased cable news channels.

R52 Why is it at the hungriest countries in the world always seem to have the ugliest people?

I don't know, R54. Ask your pastor when you go to church this coming Sunday. Then come back and tell us what he has to say.

[quote] You are of course perfectly free to yell “GENOCIDE” and we are perfectly free to respond “bullshit!”

Yes and while you are free to back yourself up with “because I feel like it” I am also free to back myself up with experts on the subject who openly describe genocidal acts by Israel taking place in Gaza.

This thread is genocidal.

I'll post more later but I need to pop to the toilet and do a genocide.

My boyfriend is coming over later - he's gonna genocide my bussy!

While I admire the impulse behind international law, it does lead to problems. The attempt to come up with a universal legal definition of genocide, while well-intentioned, is an example.

Let’s say, for the sake of argument (since none of us really knows Israel’s intentions), that the Israeli government has decided that certain land in Gaza needs to be cleared and maintained as a buffer zone to protect Israeli citizens from violent attacks, forcing the people who have lived there to move a few miles away.

That action may fall under the legal definition of genocide.

Is it really the same thing morally as if Israel decided to round up all of the people on that land and kill them all? I think most would say it is not. Yet both may be called “genocide” under international law and few people who use the word as a weapon will stop to consider the difference.

[quote] Let’s say, for the sake of argument (since none of us really knows Israel’s intentions), that the Israeli government has decided that certain land in Gaza needs to be cleared and maintained as a buffer zone to protect Israeli citizens from violent attacks, forcing the people who have lived there to move a few miles away.

It’s not their land, that is illegal occupation. You so flippantly suggest this as if it’s appropriate behaviour to do this to another state. This is suggestive of how upside down people see Israel’s entitlement. You cannot dictate how people in another country live their lives. It’s none of their business. No other country interferes in the space of their neighbours as readily as Israel does, it’s just bizarre how people accept it as standard. If Mexico decided that San Diego “needed to be cleared” you would be up in arms.

Also Israel’s intentions are very clear, they want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians and settle it for themselves. There’s no confusion about that.

R56’s report is a perfect example of what I mean.

[quote] Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said.

By this definition, all war involving civilian populations can be called genocide. Is that useful?

Sorry. It is their land. Israel is a sovereign state recognized by the United Nations.

The fact that you think its territory “belongs” to someone else is immaterial

All land everywhere used to belong to someone else. That’s history.

OP you're a lying troll and should be banished.

I topped my partner last night. I genocided his asshole. He ain’t gonna shit right for a week.

[quote] Sorry. It is their land. Israel is a sovereign state recognized by the United Nations.

Gaza is not their land. The west bank is not their land. The land that has been illegally settled in the West Bank is not their land. Palestine has a legal right under international law to respond to this.

[quote] Also Israel’s intentions are very clear, they want to cleanse Gaza of Palestinians and settle it for themselves. There’s no confusion about that.

Which they accomplished by a total withdrawal from the land? You are an idiot.

Gaza has never been a sovereign nation. It was Egyptian territory until 1967. They don’t want it back.

Human history is nothing but people stealing land from other people. The thing about it is that productive groups of people get over it and move on. Groups of worthless subhumans who have nothing to contribute to the world just keep fighting instead of moving forward.

[quote]Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said.

Well on that definition Hamas committed genocide against Israel.

And the prevention of birth in Gaza hasn't happened. Those Palestinian women are spreading their legs like Dawson at at a gang bang.

Subhumans? Is there where we are? And not a single pro Israeli commenter on this thread will correct you. This (sorry to keep going on) is genocidal language. You people are psychos.

[QUOTE] OP you're a lying troll and should be banished.

R62 = AIPAC spokesman

Israel withdrew from Gaza and agreed to withdraw entirely from 99% the West Bank. The Arabs said no. Arab refusal to make peace undermines the peace movement in Israel and strengthens the hands of the people who want to take land permanently. I don’t support the settlements, but I know what makes them possible. Arab intransigence makes the settlements possible. If there can never be a negotiated peace, why not change the facts on the ground?

[quote] Subhumans? Is there where we are? And not a single pro Israeli commenter on this thread will correct you. This (sorry to keep going on) is genocidal language. You people are psychos.

There are individual lunatics on both sides here. . Someone who says “You people are psychos” is in no position to claim the moral high ground.

Arabs are the most insufferable people on the planet. They stole all of the Middle East and North Africa from the native inhabitants, and somehow in their twisted delusional minds that is not an occupation. Yet they’ve successfully managed to get the entire world to hate Israel because the Jews needed a place to go after being killed in Europe and no one else would take them in so they got a tiny strip of land. Even if the Jews took all of Gaza and the West Bank, it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the land that the Arabs have stolen from others.

[quote] I am also free to back myself up with experts on the subject who openly describe genocidal acts by Israel taking place in Gaza.

Let's look at what else this "independent" expert has stated:

“For over 76 years, this process has oppressed the Palestinians as a people in every way imaginable, crushing their inalienable right to self-determination demographically, economically, territorially, culturally and politically.”

She said the “colonial amnesia of the West has condoned Israel's colonial settler project”, adding that “the world now sees the bitter fruit of the impunity afforded to Israel. This was a tragedy foretold.”

She left out that Jews eat the blood of Christian children, although she surely holds to the belief. She leaves no question as to her beliefs being the origin of her false claim of genocide, just like the person on DL who supports the Palestinian terrorists makes clear his own antisemitism.

I've just colonised my toilet. I've opened the windows but d give it 10 minutes if I were you.

I call my asshole the reverse colonizer. I’m gonna occupy my commode and fill it with black and brown people.

I've always thought the Free Palestine movement would be a lot more successful if they made their campaign a lot more cheerful.

How about rewriting Sweet Caroline as Free Palestine (NO MORE JEWS)

Actually Neil Diamond is a Ziomist so don't want him getting any money from the Palestine cause.

Is Cynthia Nixon still doing a hunger strike in solidarity with Gaza? Or did she break her fast eating pussy?

[quote] Yet they’ve successfully managed to get the entire world to hate Israel because the Jews needed a place to go after being killed in Europe and no one else would take them in so they got a tiny strip of land.

You forgot that most of Israel’s Jewish population are the people who were expelled from Arab lands in 1948 and their descendants.

There is a proposed military plan to order everyone out of northern Gaza and treat everyone left behind as a "combatant," allowing the IDF to kill whoever is left behind. The aid cut off is consistent with this. The Israeli government denies that it is implementing the plan, but that seems open to question.

R71 that’s an insult, it’s not eugenics. And calling a group of 2m people “subhuman” is worse than saying someone using genocidal language is a psycho, hope that helps.

R81 if you’re talking about a group of people who have contributed nothing to the world in the past thousand years besides terrorism and abuse, I think subhuman is a pretty fitting word.

Calling people subhuman is also an insult, not eugenics. I’m not criticizing you for your comment on the individual in question. I’m criticizing you for saying “you people are psychos.” So, no. It doesn’t “help” you at all. It demonstrates you are a hypocrite and a liar.

R83 referring to a group of people by their ethnicity as the organizing factor as “subhuman” is dehumanizing, genocidal language (see link). Referring to a small group of people on datalounge as “psychos” is (fitting) insulting language. These are not the same. You’re hysterical and shockingly stupid.

[QUOTE] There is a proposed military plan to order everyone out of northern Gaza and treat everyone left behind as a "combatant," allowing the IDF to kill whoever is left behind. The aid cut off is consistent with this. The Israeli government denies that it is implementing the plan, but that seems open to question.

And what the hell is the Biden administration doing about this?

The genocide against the Jews was a tragedy. A genocide against Muslims, if it actually happened, would be progress towards world peace.

[quote] Why are Israel’s actions *always* compared to the Nazis?

Because they’re pulling the same shit and they should know better.

R86 = genocidal Zionist Laura Loomer.

Israel is working overtime to get Trump elected. Enjoy.

Your dismissing me and most of the others in this thread as “psychos” is also dehumanizing. In fact I believe you meant to include Jews generally in “you people are psychos.” So forgive me if I don’t find your attempt to take the moral high ground particularly persuasive.

I kidnapped and murdered a raghead

She deserved it cuz she wanted a fag dead

I filled her ass with corrosives

And her cunt with explosives

And left her in a Hamas commander’s bed

[quote]Because they’re pulling the same shit and they should know better.

And Palestinians should know better than to try to destroy Israel.

See? Works both ways.

[quote] There is a proposed military plan to order everyone out of northern Gaza and treat everyone left behind as a "combatant," allowing the IDF to kill whoever is left behind.

That is probably the best solution possible and the most humane. It removes the noncombatants from the battlefield and allows the IDF to go after the terrorists unhindered. If anyone is smart enough to know how to clear the land, as well as above and below it, of terrorists and the people who are sympathetic to them, it’s the Israelis.

R90 you’re victimizing yourself in a hysterical and quite embarrassing way. Have some self respect and go collect your colleague at R86, if you’re really concerned about language let’s see some direct action. I was not including Jewish people when I called the handful of commenters on here “psychos” but I see why you need to fulfill that lie to make your own argument grow legs. Adios loser.

[quote] That is probably the best solution possible and the most humane.

Crazy wording to choose considering the historical context.

Genocide?

How do the anti Israel movement think the Nazis were defeated? Serenading them with baroque folk songs?

Israelis are genocidal barbarians.

The United States needs to cut all aid to Israel.

No mask on the antisemite at r98.

R85, it’s not their conscious choice, but they are giving Israel all the rope it needs to hang itself. Israel is a bad ally; othe relationship hurts us and deludes Israel into thinking that it will never be held responsible for anything that it does. But the public consensus about this has to keep building.

[quote] Israel is a bad ally;

Like is said about Ukraine fighting Russia, Israel is fighting our common enemy so we don’t have to. That makes them a good ally.

You deluded Jew obsessives think Iran will be done if they destroy Israel?

I was going to say they’ll come for the US next but it’s started already.

I’m supposed to be afraid of Iran, R103? They’ll come for us to do what, commit mass suicide?

Martyrdom is winning in their book.

Israel should keep up the raids.

[quote]Israel should keep up the raids.

I’ve always found RAID to be pretty effective at killing cockroaches.

Let's keep in going! Israel is getting it done.

Starving northern Gazans in no way helped Israel kill that terrorist, R108.

R109 no, but it sure was fun anway.

Fuck you, you asshole.

Ask Hamas to give civilians the food

A man walks into an adult toy store and tells the clerk that he wants an inflatable woman. The clerk asks “do you want the Israeli model or the Palestinian model?” The man asks “what’s the difference?” The clerk says “the Palestinian model blows herself up.”

Netanyahu Is Selling Gaza to Private Militias

The Israeli opposition (or whatever fumes still remain of it) frequently attacks the Netanyahu government for having no vision and no plan of action. But what many people tend to miss is that for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a lack of orderly plans doesn't mean a lack of policy. On the contrary, his policies are always determined by actions on the ground, not by speeches or formal ratifications.

Throughout all his years in office, Netanyahu has benefited from deliberate ambiguity, including contradictory messages in Hebrew and English. But reality doesn't lie. That is how, very slowly, large chunks of the West Bank have been annexed de facto, without grandiose legislation. And that's exactly what is happening now in the Gaza Strip.

I see the article at R114 is labeled "opinion" rather than "news"

R115, but news sources support what that the author is arguing, specifically, that the Israeli government is considering hiring private military contractors to "distribute aid" in Gaza. People in the U.S. may remember groups such as Blackwater, which were used in Iraq and have a grim reputation.

[quote] the Israeli government is considering hiring private military contractors to "distribute aid" in Gaza.

You think it would be easy to find volunteers to distribute aid in Gaza? Volunteers who wouldn’t add to the civilian problem in Gaza?

[QUOTE] I see the article at R114 is labeled "opinion" rather than "news"

Sometimes the opinion sections are better and more informed than the news, R115.

Now they’ve made sure northern Gaza has no functioning hospitals remaining.

R119, months ago Israel divided Gaza into two halves, the north and the south. It seems painfully obvious that every building in the north will be destroyed and every person there will be exterminated. Everyone left will be penned up in the south.

At the very least, U.S. aid to Israel needs to be scaled back.

The damage has already been done, R121. Northern Gaza is an uninhabitable wasteland.

Biden administration caught shamefully covering for the Israeli government by having a Northern Gaza famine report nixed.

Are there Palestinians who haven’t evacuated from Northern Gaza yet? A person could starve if they foolishly choose to remain there.

Gee really, R125? I wonder how that came to be. 🙄

[quote] I wonder how that came to be.

There’s an anti-terrorist operation being conducted in Northern Gaza as a result of the October 7th terrorist attack and massacre of Israelis by the Palestinians.

So the Israeli government gets to do whatever the hell they want so long as they label it “anti-terrorism”? How is starving people and destroying hospitals going to stop terrorism there? If anything it will only increase.

R128, this is what has come of decades of mostly unlimited financial and political support from the U.S. We’ve made all of this possible.

NYTimes: Israeli army officers admit in private that Gaza is being starved.

Hamas started it, what did the Palestinians expect would happen? I feel sorry for the civilians as I do in any conflict, but that's life.

Seriously - none of us can do anything at this point