Harris and Cheney on the campaign trail

Actually, I don't believe she's doing it for a position. I think it's genuinely for the country.

R1 I think it's for the country as well, no doubt. I was just saying she probably worked out a deal with Harris, as everyone has commented in the past - but I do believe it's in her core for the love of the country.

Everyone is playing these clips and just about everyone (except the pro-Trump commentators) have praised Cheney for this move. The ones who are not praising her are saying 'she can't be trusted' (oh no! lol).

Liz seems to have morphed into one of the actual socially moderate/economically conservative republican that so many claim to be. She’s made some good comments about abortion rights and acknowledged that she’d been wrong in her gay rights oppositions, which I truly believe are genuine.

I don’t mind her having a position in a Harris administration. I just don’t want her near economic policy. But a high profile ambassadorial role or something else in the State Depadtment, sure.

[quote]Liz seems to have morphed into one of the actual socially moderate/economically conservative republican that so many claim to be.

I’m not so sure that she’s socially moderate, but I think she understands that public opinion has shifted on many issues and she’s evolved on some of them.

And this year, electing Harris is the only option for her in terms of saving the Constitution. So if that means she has to accept some moderate or even liberal positions for now, she’s probably fine with it.

[quote]I’m not so sure that she’s socially moderate, but I think she understands that public opinion has shifted on many issues and she’s evolved on some of them.

Perhaps, but I'd also say that I do think she legitimately seems to regret the way her stances on gay rights damaged her relationship with her sister.

She voted with Trump 93 percent of the time. Some of you are very naive.

And whats with this need a lot of democrats have of wanting Republicans to love them?

[quote]And whats with this need a lot of democrats have of wanting Republicans to love them?

I don't need Republicans to love me. I do need Republicans to realize that being an American is ultimately more important than being a Republican, and Liz Cheney really seems to get that.

She has a crappy voting record. I'm not going to deny that. But she's been doing the right thing for a few years now, at great personal cost. No matter what I think of her policies, that shows a great deal of courage that the vast majority of her fellow Republicans lack.

I guarantee you there were enough Senators at either of Trump's impeachment who would felt that he should have been convicted, but none of them had the balls to stand up to the cult. She did. I appreciate that strength of character.

Trump put all of the racism, misogyny and homophobia of the Republican Party out on full, butt naked display. The Republicans despise him for that, because they used to hate in a classier manner. Plus Cheeto has never really been one of “them”, so it’s easier to distance themselves from him than it would be a more established, Republican politician. This is not about what’s good for the country. This is about the rehabilitation of the Republicans and “see we’re not all hateful fascists” even though the last forty years disputes that greatly. And her father was one of the worst, BTW.

R7 She really “gets it” but voted 93 percent of the time WITH Trump when he was in office.

Stop it.

I prefer Republicans who believe government should simply spend less and tax less. That's always seemed sensible, but not always appropriate. But has any well-known Republican politician stuck to that mission in ~40 years? It seems the most popular Republicans are always the loudest most outrageously hateful people, either advocating in defense of bigotry or advocating in favor of more violence in the world, and the sensible ones are either voted out or they sell their souls to keep their seats and support a piece of trash like Trump, even after January 6th. Liz Cheney isn't a saint but she at least seems sensible and old-fashioned enough to realize that politics should be a negotiation, not a war.

[quote]She voted with Trump 93 percent of the time.

She should be asking herself why she bothered. Her excellent Trump-voting record got her kicked out of office by her constituents in Wyoming.

[quote]R7: I do need Republicans to realize that being an American is ultimately more important than being a Republican, and Liz Cheney really seems to get that.

This.

What specific policies has Liz changed her mind on? What democratic proposals is she willing to back?

[quote] And whats with this need a lot of democrats have of wanting Republicans to love them?

A very churlish R6 doesn't seem to have a grasp for math. With the inroads Trump has made with traditional Democratic constituencies, Harris needs as many Republicans as possible on her side if she's going to have any chance of winning. So I don't need them to love us, just vote with us.

This is a HUGE mistake that is contributing to alienate Harris from significant sectors of the electorate. The Cheney family are a product of extreme privilege, as well as some of the most visible supporters of the neoconservative ideology and neoliberal economic model that have destroyed the American middle class and condemned the working class to abject poverty. Theirs is a legacy of war crimes, social devastation and economic decay. By not only accepting their endorsement, but flaunting it, Harris is signaling that she is part of the much hated establishment, which is only supported by a privileged minority.

Sadly for her, sending out Obama to tell people off from his pulpit of hypocrisy, arrogance and self-idolatry, isn't going to be enough to convince voters to support her after she's aligned herself with some of the worst monsters to ever emerge from the Republican party's anti-populist, pro-imperialistic, pro-Objectivist, anti-egalitarian war machine.

I don't think Trump's inroads among minority men has much to do with his stance on endless wars, R15. It has more to do with the economy.

R16, endless wars that are a constant drain on the exchequer and have caused public investment on infrastructure and social programs to practically disappear, is part of the reason why the likes of the Bushes, Cheneys and Clintons are hated. If Harris wants to win, she ought to keep her distance from the uniparty's establishment. Trump has concentrated on talking against war (well, with the exception of supporting Israel against Iran) and promising to rebuild the US economy by recovering its manufacturing and industrial sectors. Yes, he is lying, but at leas he is talking about these matters. Harris, on the other hand, is incessantly blaming everything on Trump, which makes her look weak. A good leader neutralizes his or her enemies by showing that they're better than their adversaries, not by saying 'no matter how bad things might be, my enemy is worse because I say so!'. That is NOT a winning strategy, especially now that the economy is underperforming and people are terrified of a third world war.

Personally, I dislike both Trump and Harris because I see them for what they are (more of the same), but it is undeniable that they're both running disastrous campaigns, even if Trump is doing things in a slightly less inept manner.

I do appreciate all Cheney is doing BUT she is responsible for that orange pricks rise to power and it’s way too late to stop him.

[quote] I do appreciate all Cheney is doing BUT she is responsible for that orange pricks rise to power and it’s way too late to stop him.

Don't forget about me.