Liam Payne is Dead To Me - Part II

"He's like LITERALLY dead."

The girlfriend never should have left him alone in Buenos Aires. What the hell was she thinking. If it is true that people were working out the timing for an intervention, she would have known about that. It's incredibly maddening that she left him there alone. I'm sure she feels sick about it, and, well, she should.

He’s “literally” so kissable

[quote] He’s “literally” so kissable

Not anymore.

An intervention wouldn't have worked, he walked out of The Priory after 2 days just a few months ago. I think that was the final straw for his label, who saw they were not going to recoup on their investment.

Nothing prevented him from leaving with her except he was on a bender. He'd already been kicked out of another hotel.

Dove soap box was how hotel staff supplied Payne with drugs. Now 2 people are being investigated.

Hmm, it was nothing new though, he'd been in and out of rehabs

Wonder if the email that set him off was re: his visa being rejected? So he couldn't return to Florida?

To claim he was clean leading up to his death seems a stretch. Any tests would have been +.

Going to Argentina to get his visa renewed seems like a really odd and poor choice if it left him stuck there.

It wasn’t his girlfriend’s job to babysit him.

More here, claims visa tests showed he was clean.

Sounds like visa process took longer than expected but was going through, but he died shortly before he was to collect it at the embassy so he could return to Florida.

He had to have medical tests and see a psychiatrist before the visa would be renewed. Surprisingly, he was clean.

That seems at odds with friends being so concerned "recently" that they were going to stage an intervention.

Was he able to somehow fake the clean tests for visa? Because otherwise the timelines don't match.

I predict the tox results will be shocking.

Body may still be in Argentina for up to 2 weeks while autopsy and tox tests are finalized. .

More details re: visa issues and timing here.

I wondered why there was a box of Dove soap on the table.

Couldn't he have just returned to the US via Kamala's open border?

He could always have gone back to the UK to renew visa but did not seem to want to do so.

I could see Kate being annoyed at the delays, want to leave, etc. but she seems like a flake. Will be hard to live with her choice.

There are other reports of a loud fight and him begging her not to leave. Given how needy he seemed with strangers in the lobby, seems possible.

Girlfriend best get some moving boxes. She isn't gonna have $ for a mansion as a waitress. Shoulda protected her income stream. Shoddy gold-digger.

[quote]. I'm sure she feels sick about it, and, well, she should.

I'm sure he'd bummed out too.

She could write a tell all to try and make more money off him

His face was very symmetrical.

He looked so differrnt from the boy of his youth

[quote]One hopes Liam's son has enough self-control as he ages that he doesn't Google "Liam Payne death photo" one night while high or drinking with his mates. Once you've seen it. you can never unsee it.

I saw it this afternoon and have already forgotten about it. He didn't explode like a watermelon dropped from the roof of a six story building. Other than the pool of blood around his head, he looks fine. If you have ever seen a person seriously bleeding from an accident in real life, it's no more memorable than that.

I'm glad the U.S. tries to keep out foreign druggies. Liam's behavior shows why it's a good thing to keep such people out.

I want to know more about this Roger. Somewhere I read his manager was named Roger, same guy as the one apologizing for him? Why did HE leave? Was he a PnP type too? He got him back upstairs, then he came back down and fell flat on his face with no reflex. Where was Roger while he was using in between?

I meant once his son were to see it, he could never unsee it, R22. Better for him to not ever see it at all cuz once it's in there, it'd always be there.

r22 "I saw it this afternoon and have already forgotten about it."

Are you his son? No. Why would you think your reaction would be the same as his child's? You're an idiot.

The most memorable thing about his death photo is that he’s wearing a purse

[QUOTE] The girlfriend never should have left him alone in Buenos Aires. What the hell was she thinking.

Always blaming the woman. If you read his ex's book you'd know that Liam Payne goes into violent rages when he's on drugs. He chased his ex with an axe, smashing up the house as he went. His current girlfriend would probably have been harmed if she'd stayed.

[QUOTE] Nothing prevented him from leaving with her except he was on a bender. He'd already been kicked out of another hotel.

Kate also wanted to get back to the rescue dog they adopted last month. She said on Tiktok that Liam had told her they'd only be in Argentina for 5 days and it had stretched to two weeks. She posted about missing the dog twice whilst in Buenos Aires and the first thing she posted when she got back to Miami on the 14th was her and the dog on the car on the way back from the boarding kennels. Captioned it Besties Reunited. Hope the dog, Nala, is a comfort to her now.

*in the car before I get oh deared

[QUOTE] want to know more about this Roger. Somewhere I read his manager was named Roger, same guy as the one apologizing for him? Why did HE leave? Was he a PnP type too? He got him back upstairs, then he came back down and fell flat on his face with no reflex. Where was Roger while he was using in between?

As already explained on the other thread, Roger Nores is a rich Argentinan businessman. Forbes describe him as 'an energy tycoon'. This info is in all the articles. He'd been friends with Liam since they met when Liam was in Buenos Aires for Louis Tomlinson's concert in May. Liam posted a photo tagged with his name in June.

[quote] Kate also wanted to get back to the rescue dog they adopted last month.

Was it a rescue dog?

Yes she is a rescue dog. They linked the rescue.

"Aaron Carter: Part Deux". Post-success but a little money left. Not very bright. Bimbo leech girlfriends, substance abuse, tattoos, isolation. Arguing with fans online, selfies, more tattoos...

r2 is desperate to blame a woman - any woman - for the actions of a man. Funny how there's no criticism there for his male friends who left him alone. Nope, it's only women who should be taking responsibility for the actions of a straight man's actions.

Not responsibility, R35. Just concern. An abundance of concern. Living with someone is different than just dating someone. Leaving someone you live with and traveled there with, alone in another country, to return alone to the home you share with them, is wayyyy different than some fairly new local Argentinian friend leaving the hotel at 3:30pm to go back to his local home. I'm just saying, male or female, if they came on the trip together and there was a sense that Liam was spiraling emotionally, one may have thought twice. Or not. Because hey, you're right. It is no one's job as an adult to babysit another adult, or to protect someone from themselves.

But in the absence of context, which we now have, it seemed strange that she would leave him alone to languish in BA.

Anyway, now that we know about the visa situation and the rescue dog that had been languishing in a kennel, it is all moot. It makes more sense why the trip was dragging out so long, why she wanted to get home and get their dog, why he was forced to stay.

The context was always there. You just didn't even try to seek it out before deciding a woman had to be blamed.

R36 you've never had to deal with a drug addict, alcoholic, or mentally ill partner or close friend. Sometimes you have to walk out on them.

Was Payne going broke or did he have 40 million. It's not clear.

Bullshit, R37. Context of the visa and the rescue dog is "breaking news." He could have been gay and my first thought as a recovering codependent would have still been, "Why did they leave him alone in Buenos Aires?" Says more about my fucked up relationship tendencies than about your perceived misogyny. I do realize now that it is no one's job to "save" another person. My codependent instinct was "stay and babysit" but of course that is not healthy, and I appreciate the reality check for that. Otherwise, fuck of with the "blame the woman" bs because again, if he were gay I'd have had the same first thought.

r40 We can all see your post history - from the previous thread:

[quote]This Maya girl who he was supposedly harassing and stalking is 23 and as such, thinks if you don't share it with the world, it didn't happen. No one needed to know any of this publicly. The man was very sick in his addiction and just needed help. So if she is drowning in hate mail currently, she brought it on herself.

You've gone out of your way to try and put blame on two different women now, and not once blaming Payne himself for his own choices. But keep claiming not to have a problem with women.

Hardly a surprise to also see you're one of the morons who thought he was gay and there was a sex tape of him with another guy.

And I also stand by that, in the sense that whether it is a woman or a man, putting your dirty business on the internet invites all of the horrible responses that will come. My comment is not a man/woman thing. It's a Gen Z living and breathing social media thing.

Again, if it was a male lover and he, too, was posting all of his private stuff online, I would be having the same response. Because I am a 51 year old adult who thinks that living live on social media is an affliction. And if you don't want the backlash, stay private and don't invite the entire globe into your issues.

It's too bad that Liam had more money than sense, and it's awful that he was abusive to his ex. She really needed to alert the authorities rather than write a semi-fictional book, make TikToks and monetize her struggles for five seconds of fame. I will never not find it utterly abhorrent that she chose that path over dealing with things privately.

This is NOT about misogyny. I know how I feel about women, and I am now doing the very thing that I caution against, which is engaging with ignorant strangers online. I appreciate you being the gatekeeper and watchdog for Datalounge, on behalf of all women, but you've got the wrong guy. My only crime is just being too old to either understand or appreciate any of the choices that any of these kiddos have made in their lives.

I don’t know why I’m here. I’m a Larry shipper. A Larry believer, if you will. But I was not a 1D fan and Liam was always “the other one.” Zayne was ethnic and Niall was the blond. But Liam? Didn’t really register.

Pink cocaine is the drug that Diddy was putting in peoples' drinks. I guess it's a party drug?

How tacky. Druggies should stick to naturals and well known simple synthetics. Or prescription meds.

r42 You might want to reflect on the fact that you decided to spend more time criticising a woman for detailing her abuse, whilst the closest you came to criticising the man who was responsible for the abuse is saying it (not he) was "awful". Similar to how you criticised his girlfriend for not remaining with him, but zero criticism from you for his behaviour, addictions and failure to treat either.

Liam Payne’s toxicology test results showed that the former One Direction singer had a cocktail of drugs in his system at the time of his tragic death, according to a new report.

A partial autopsy found that Payne had substances including cocaine, crack and benzodiazepine, which is a type of depressant, in his body when he fell to his death from a hotel balcony in Buenos Aires, Argentina, on Oct. 16, sources told ABC News Monday.

The test also found “pink cocaine,” a recreational drug that typically mixes methamphetamine, ketamine, MDMA and others, per the outlet.

- Page Six

Someone posted as "louiswalsh" on Mail Online and said Roger was taking advantage of Louis, told him to dump his PR, dud a deal with Snapchat to host all Liam's content, made Liam do content with the girlfriend that Liam didn't want to do. Roger was taking over his life as a new manager and isolating Liam, this poster said. Also said previous manager used Liam to promote a gym in London, he was around people who just took advantage, enabled the drug taking and made bad decisions for him.

I listened to his LP1 album over the weekend, out of curiosity. It wasn't bad, I didn't think. Not really my kind of pop music but I don't think it was any worse than a lot of pop music that seems to do well, especially with younger people.

Did it sell so poorly that the record company gave up on a second album? Or was it his unreliable behavior that contributed to the decision to drop him? I am interested in that aspect of the story.

Apart from Harry Styles and his success since the 1D days, I don't think the other members have sold very well, either. I can't imagine Niall Horan is doing more than scraping by these days, since under normal circumstances I rarely hear his name mentioned in the press.

The first couple years of Zayne solo were very interesting and sometimes pretty.

The others have a decent first week and then drop off the charts. Harry is the only one who sticks around for months and gets platinum certificates.

Niall's last album The Show debuted in the US with 80k. Stayed on the Billboard 200 for two weeks.

Louis' last album Faith in the Future debuted with 43k. Stayed on BB 200 for two weeks.

Zayn's last album Room Under the Stairs debuted with 30k. Stayed on the BB200 for a week.

Harry's House debuted with 521k. Stayed on the BB200 for over a year.

LP1 sold 9.5k in its debut week.

What a rubbish album title

"Larry" meant Louis and Harry.

R48. Drop it. I come on here to casually chat about popular culture, I don't come on here to bare my soul to strangers and dig deep about this shit. If I knew any of these people personally I am sure I would be more thorough and thoughtful in my assessments and my wording. But I will maintain until my last breath that his ex, Maya, should have gone to the authorities rather than to TikTok to manage her business. Assault and harassment, being chased with an axe, it's very serious -- and yet she drained the severity of it all by writing a semi-fictionalized book about it and going on TikTok to bitch about him blowing up her phone. She chose to write the book and monetize her trauma, while preening for the camera in her Lulu Lemon. None of the women in my life who have experienced trauma would have dreamt of dealing with their abuser or their trauma by making TikToks and penning a thinly-veiled "fictional" book. If her boyfriend hadn't been famous I am sure she would not have aired things out so publicly. She did so, because he was famous and she was piggybacking off of that fame to put herself in the public eye. So yes, I struggle to accept that this young woman was truly "traumatized." If she is truly traumatized, I need the phone number of her therapist because she seems like she's doing amazing.

I have also already apologized for initially assigning the role of babysitter to the current girlfriend. I told you, that was me slipping into a codependent headspace and I quickly realized that was not the right call.

Obviously Liam Payne was a danger to himself and potentially others (though no other women have ever come forward suggesting abuse). However, in spite of his obvious mental illness, aggression and addiction issues, I can't feel much besides compassion for the guy, considering the photo I saw of him yesterday, splayed out lifeless on a hotel patio in Argentina. If she were not a 20-something famewhore she might have understood the gravity of his situation and kept things private between her, him, her family, his family, and the authorities. It's pretty clear now that he was in a death spiral and she chose to grab her fifteen minutes off the back of someone in a death spiral.

You really just need to let this go now.

Compassion for the abusive druggie, nothing but criticism for the woman he victimised. In fact, now blaming her for his own actions that led to his death.

By all means, keep proving my point.

[quote] Compassion for the abusive druggie

I don’t for druggies, especially foreign druggies.

[quote]Roger was taking over his life as a new manager and isolating Liam, this poster said. Also said previous manager used Liam to promote a gym in London, he was around people who just took advantage, enabled the drug taking and made bad decisions for him.

Sounds like what Sam Lutfi was doing with Britney.

I'm too old for 1D and was only fleetingly aware of the whole Larry thing. I've just been reading up on it - Jesus Christ. Some of the fans were actually claiming that Louis's son was a doll, because they couldn't cope with the idea that he'd got a woman pregnant. Apparently the conspiracy actually fucked up Harry & Louis's friendship, because the knowledge that their every interaction was being analysed made them uncomfortable around each other. What is wrong with some people?

R61 Adolescent girls have always been nuts over boy bands. But throw the internet into the mix and you have exponential insanity nowadays. They have had cases in which adolescent girls obsessed over some fictitious nonsense like "Slenderman" to the point that they couldn't tell reality from fantasy and stabbed their friend half to death thinking it would appease someone totally imaginary. Imagining wild things about boy band members isn't surprising to me at all.

ID fans are lightweights. For hardcore stanning, see the "Briize" fandom- fans of Kpop idol band Riize. Riize debuted as a seven member outfit. One, Seunghan, caused uproar in Korea when photos of his pre-debut antics leaked. These were: smoking on the street in Japan ( unlawful, as he was underage), putting a restaurant napkin on his head in a selfie (looked like a was mocking the Japanese people) and kissing a girl in a love motel. So he got put on hiatus. A few weeks ago it was announced he was returning. Conservative Korean fans went nuclear on his and the management's asses, bought a ton of Korean funeral wreaths and delivered them to the company. Sample comments on the wreaths: "Evil member Seunghan OUT"

It worked, he had to quit. Now BTS fans are delivering funeral wreaths to force member Suga out.

Speaking of members…

Does anyone else find it strange that his head landed on his murse?

R34, I got that same A Carter vibe from Liam's spiral.

Aaron Carter’s spiral was more due to childhood sexual abuse, and then confusion over sexual identity. He tried to come out do the closet once and then went back in. He also had an eating disorder.

He wasn’t cute anymore.

Look for severe childhood disturbances associated with sexual abuse. Our Aaron wasn't born a druggie; he was made one through years of systematic abuse. Aaron hated his own identity, you see, and he thought that made him a homosexual. But his pathology was a thousand times more than Fred Savage and more terrifying.

R51: none of them trouble the charts much apart from Harry Styles but all of them, apart from Liam, were/are making a decent living out of touring. I was surprised by the size of the venues Niall is playing when I looked just now (as in they’re big) and based on that he’s more than scraping by. Even Louis manages to tour the world and play decent enough sized venues.

Does the Ass of Louis Tomlinson go on tour?

[quote]but all of them, apart from Liam, were/are making a decent living out of touring.

Has Zayn ever toured?

So he had gone to some trouble to renew his visa, had 1 more appt Thursday, was then due to get stamp on Fri so he could leave Argentina and go back to FL and got that f*d up on a cocktail of loads of drugs then jumped to his death late Wed? Talk @ self-destructive! Why not wait until he was back in FL? If he hadn't died but got kicked out of hotel with lots of press for being f&d up, likely no visa, NO FL.

I have seen Roger referred to as his "manager." Reminds me not just of Sam and Britney but the Colonel and Elvis. Rich addicts are easy to control

Has anyone heard this song?

Has anyone heard this song?

Sadly R59 that doesn’t seem to be much of an exaggeration.

Still haven’t found the death pic.

Benzos are used for an easy come down from uppers.

R77, it was linked in the prior thread.

The pic was removed from that link.

R79 Pics are removed quick

R72: yeah I didn’t think he had but read the other day he’s postponed 5-6 US dates in the next few weeks and then he’s doing some UK ones, all sold out, though admittedly not massive venues. Still, keeps the money coming in.

Zayn just postponed his current tour and will resume in Jan. Don't ask me wtf he sings, I just read that he postponed.