Advice needed: Should I tell my new lover's gf that he sucks cock behind her back?
Or to put it more delicately: I’m a man who recently had a fling with a man who is in a monogamous heterosexual relationship. We had sex twice. While I am in a nonmonogamous relationship myself, I respect the practice of monogamy. Normally I wouldn’t get involved with someone who is unfaithful. But here I felt my moral obligations to a struggling member of my own queer community were greater than those to his partner.
The guy I had the fling with is not openly queer, but he reached out on Grindr. After we messaged back and forth, it became clear that his relationship is not emotionally or physically sustaining. Both of our encounters occurred in the apartment he shares with his girlfriend; we only ever met there because she consistently tracks his phone’s location and would confront him if he went anywhere without letting her know. It appeared to me that this man was in a manipulative and potentially abusive relationship. He seemed lonely and trapped, and I connected with that experience as a fellow queer person.
I do not want to continue our physical relationship because the implications of my behavior have been weighing heavily on me. His girlfriend has a right to know what’s going on in her relationship, particularly in terms of communication around the number of partners and protection. Whatever judgment I may have for her actions, I believe she deserves the truth. If I didn’t believe in the toxicity of their relationship and the danger of outing this man, I would be inclined to tell his girlfriend what happened, or make it clear to him that she must be informed.
I think that my time with this person was meaningful for him and helped him to affirm his identity, even if our hookups were illicit. At this point, my plan is to let him know that I’ve enjoyed our experiences together but don’t think we should continue seeing each other, then to cut off contact and try to reckon with my actions. I don’t know if I will ever really be able to settle my ethical stomachache about it all. Can there be stipulations on the immorality of infidelity?
Help me, DataLounge. You're my only hope!
by Anonymous | reply 45 | October 9, 2024 11:55 PM
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"Lover" "queer" fuck off with your made up story, frau
by Anonymous | reply 1 | October 8, 2024 11:16 PM
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You sound like a pretentious slut OP . I would think stealing another woman’s husband is not some new activity for you.
She is tracking him because you’re not the first whore he’s fucked, and he has done this before.
He probably has a type, and his previous mistress went to her for absolution too.
Get over yourself, accept that you’re nothing but a cheap homewrecker, spread your legs and revel in your filth.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | October 8, 2024 11:24 PM
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Stopped reading at "queer."
by Anonymous | reply 4 | October 8, 2024 11:26 PM
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Topped reading at "But here I felt my moral obligations to a struggling member of my own queer community were greater than those to his partner."
I felt so inadequate to this hero of the queer community.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | October 8, 2024 11:28 PM
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CHARLENE: So I saw this TV movie once where Lindsay Wagner played a mistress, and she was just darling.
SUZANNE: Yeah, well I saw a movie where Victoria Principal played one.I just wanted to knock her teeth out.
You know, they're always called Bambi or Bibi or something, and they are always running around with these tiny sports cars with hair down their waists and lying around like Cheshire Cats.
I mean, I just want to say, "Hey, get a name. Get a job. Get a life."
by Anonymous | reply 7 | October 8, 2024 11:29 PM
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What is this "queer' reference of which you speak?
Knock it off.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | October 8, 2024 11:30 PM
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He's gay, not queer. And so are you.
It is not your business to tell his girlfriend. It is his business.
It is your business to step away from the relationship and let them work it out, or not.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | October 8, 2024 11:33 PM
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Brooke Logan was a conflicted slut too, OP; then that dyke Stephanie had to set her straight, so to speak.
Do you have a bull dyke in your life who could shake you and slap you around? It seems needed.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 11 | October 8, 2024 11:34 PM
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You're just a trick to him, not the first and certainly not the last.
Only sociopaths would consider doing this. Stop pretending you're motivated by integrity. You want to blow up a stranger's life for kicks.
This is all assuming this is real, of course, which is a stretch.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | October 8, 2024 11:34 PM
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Do any of you bitches even read the paper? Here's the NYT Ethicist's answer:
It takes two to cheat — well, at least two. But that doesn’t mean that there’s a moral equivalence between the cheater and the person with whom he’s cheating. The fellow you’re describing was the one who presumably had promised fidelity. Knowingly abetting his behavior was blameworthy, too, but less so: You weren’t the person betraying an intimate partner, concealing what you did and all the rest of it. Still, you’re making the right call to call it off.
You’ve explained how you justified the situation to yourself: helping someone who is exploring his same-sex desires, affirming his sexual identity. You just need to be sure you aren’t dignifying the activities of a straying partner. Nor should you accept the cheater’s account of his relationship at face value and assume that he’s deceiving only his partner. He has every reason to cast his extracurricular activity in a self-justifying light: A cinq à sept becomes a sanctuary from a toxic relationship; a hookup is how he explores his sexuality.
Well, maybe. Or maybe he’s blaming the victim. Bear in mind that what you know about her is what he chooses to tell you. If his relationship with his girlfriend isn’t giving him what he needs, he should bring it to an end and set her free. He may tell you he feels trapped, but he could be trapping her too — ensnaring her in false hope and feigned devotion. In the meantime, his infidelities could also pose a medical risk to her; even if you two have been careful, you don’t know what else he gets up to, and how.
None of this means you should tell her yourself, which would be a serious betrayal. He’s the one who owes her candor, and the fact that someone shouldn’t be left in the dark doesn’t mean that just anybody is entitled to turn on the lights. Nor does your belief that theirs is a terrible relationship entitle you to end it for them.
Still, because you have a kind of friendship with him, you’re in a position to help him recognize that leaving things as they are would be wrong and to discuss some of these issues with him. Is he planning to keep having secret hookups on the side? How is he protecting himself and her? Does he have a genuine emotional and erotic attachment to her, while also being attracted to men? If he wants a primary relationship with her and sex with men on the side, he ought to tell her and let her figure out what she wants to do in view of the realities here. If his relationship with her is less than authentic, though, his failure of candor is doing her a serious injury: There can be a thin line between down-low and lowdown.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 13 | October 8, 2024 11:38 PM
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[quote]You lost me at "queer."
[quote]What is this "queer' reference of which you speak?
[quote]He's gay, not queer. And so are you.
Why are DL queens triggered by "queer"?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | October 8, 2024 11:40 PM
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I think it's more that "queer" people seem idiotically triggered by "gay." We didn't need Ron DeSantis. Most "queer" people have a Never Say Gay policy, and it's very tiresome.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | October 8, 2024 11:44 PM
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So, OP, you plagarized your post, from the NY Times no less. You gave no citation or credit in your copy and paste job. If you weren't TeaFuck, I'd be highly annoyed right now.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | October 8, 2024 11:44 PM
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Yes, the whole thing has gotten very odd r18, and obsessive. Never Say Gay. Say queer or maybe LGBTQ, but never, ever gay.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | October 8, 2024 11:50 PM
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If you can’t beat em, join em….
by Anonymous | reply 20 | October 9, 2024 12:03 AM
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OP, you lost me at “lover”.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | October 9, 2024 12:20 AM
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R14. "Queer" is an ugly word to assign to the gay community. "Queer" is a hurtful, harmful, insulting word with a violent past.
"Queer" is a weirdo, an oddball, a freak. And we don't want to own it.
Stick it up your ass and bury that ugly word in the ash heap of history where it belongs.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | October 9, 2024 12:22 AM
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[quote] Normally I wouldn’t get involved with someone who is unfaithful. But here I felt my moral obligations to a struggling member of my own queer community were greater than those to his partner.
Translation: Normally, I wouldn't get involved with someone who is unfaithful. But here, I felt that he was hot enough that I threw away any mouth service I had to moral obligations to his partner.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | October 9, 2024 12:38 AM
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The Whore Code must have kicked in r23. It was an act of humanitarian mercy, your honor!
by Anonymous | reply 24 | October 9, 2024 12:46 AM
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Don't say a fucking thing, and walk away. You won't resolve anything and may cause pain. She'll figure it out or he'll get tired of the facade.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | October 9, 2024 1:00 AM
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The approved-jargon spouting LW that OP plagiarized is a prime example of the most exhausting kind of Gay Millennial ever created.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | October 9, 2024 1:55 AM
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Send her a picture of some lasagna
by Anonymous | reply 30 | October 9, 2024 2:13 AM
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OP lost her calling as an (unpaid) Reddit advice columnist.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | October 9, 2024 2:39 AM
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They closed comments on this NYT column rather quickly…
by Anonymous | reply 33 | October 9, 2024 2:42 AM
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There's a Hallmark Greeting Card for this.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 34 | October 9, 2024 11:03 AM
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[quote]So, OP, you plagarized your post, from the NY Times no less
R16 saves having to get around their paywall at least!
by Anonymous | reply 35 | October 9, 2024 11:29 AM
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[quote]you’re nothing but a cheap homewrecker, spread your legs and revel in your filth
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | October 9, 2024 11:32 AM
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OP = THAT slut from the valley.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | October 9, 2024 11:33 AM
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[quote]Get over yourself, accept that you’re nothing but a cheap homewrecker, spread your legs and revel in your filth.
OP R2's advice is pretty sound actually, having been in this position on the past (although I wasnt the one doin the leg spreading). Been balls deep in a few "straight" guys when I was a "back door man" in my younger days, shitload of fun along with a few fraught moments. Had an old Ford V8, sometimes the starter solenoid would stick and it wouldnt start unless I got out and smacked the starter motor with a length of lead pipe. One time having leapt out a window and vaulted a fence or two with wifie in hot pursuit I jumped in the old Ford and hoped and prayed she wouldnt let me down this time, and she didnt, fired her up and got the hell out of Dodge in a roar and a cloud of burnt rubber. Only queer thing in this story was the starter motor, sometimes the gas gauge on that thing was a little queer too
by Anonymous | reply 38 | October 9, 2024 11:50 AM
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[quote] It appeared to me that this man was in a manipulative and potentially abusive relationship.
She doesn't deserve the truth other than she is psychotic. Keep your mouth shut.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | October 9, 2024 12:58 PM
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Amateur. Just leave a pair of your sluttiest panties wedged in the couch cushions.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | October 9, 2024 1:17 PM
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[quote]Do any of you bitches even read the paper? Here's the NYT Ethicist's answer
Not that one.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | October 9, 2024 6:31 PM
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"I do not want to continue our physical relationship because the implications of my behavior have been weighing heavily on me."
Translation: "We are both bottoms".
by Anonymous | reply 43 | October 9, 2024 7:40 PM
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v8fairy, you are most definitely trash, utter trash, and I like that.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | October 9, 2024 9:52 PM
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Do not stop with the wife. Parents, in laws, employers, and neighbors must know, too. Plus any union fellowships and alumni associations.
Only then will he be completely alone, aside from you. And dependent.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | October 9, 2024 11:55 PM
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