I'm convinced Bibi Netanyahu is trying to sink the Democrats

Whichever side you're on in this conflict, you gotta admit it's weird the lengths both parties are willing to go to to protect the interest of a foreign country. Democracy is on the line, they say, but even that doesn't seem to be important enough to warrant a temporary scaleback in the unwavering support for a foreign government. Like, you can't even withhold, or at least pretend to be trying to withhold, the funds and bombs for just a few weeks until after the election, even when American democracy AND your own political future are on the line? How do people not find this weird?

He doesn't give a shit, both US political parties try to out-suck the other when it comes to fellating Israel.

Ah, the Jews are always plotting.

They are plotting to destabilise the Democrat party by taking out the terrorist group that has been targeting them all year, just ahead of the anniversary of the worst atrocity against since the Holocaust.

These Jews always plotting!

Clowns like R3 is the reason why part of me hopes this Surprise is particularly nasty for pro-Israel "liberals".

True, r3

Oh no, mean man called me a clown!

For all you anti Zionists, just imagine the day after Israel stops existing. Who do you think the Islamists will be obsessed with next? A clue: it will be the United States, Europe and Western democracy in general.

And if these Lebanese Americans in Michigan are going to vote Trump or Jill Stein because of what is happening in another country and the Democrats end up losing Michigan, how about blaming the Lebanese Americans or the other Michigan voters who didn't vote Democrat, rather than THE JEWS?

R3 Lmao. If Hezbollah is a terrorist group, what does that make the IDF? Last I checked, Hezbollah wasn't the group who's been bombing hospitals and blowing children's faces off on a regular basis.

R3/R6, it's called the DEMOCRATIC Party.

R3/R6 Nah I take that back, you defo ain't a clown.

[quote] Who do you think the Islamists will be obsessed with next? A clue: it will be the United States, Europe and Western democracy in general.

You're just a fascist and certifiably insane.

[quote][R3] Lmao. If Hezbollah is a terrorist group, what does that make the IDF? Last I checked, Hezbollah wasn't the group who's been bombing hospitals and blowing children's faces off on a regular basis.

Well if the Islamist Nazis use hospitals as their military bases and surround themselves with civilians then that's on them.

And yes, Hezbollah targets children playing football. Except these children weren't Israeli Jews they were Israeli Druze. Maybe the person making the order had a lisp.

BEEP BEEP LOL

R2 Eh not necessarily. The Democrats have a base whose conscience will only allow them to overlook a finite amount of atrocities their party is directly responsible for. There will come a point where the Democratic Party will have to start pondering whether it's worthy it to bleed so much support just to keep Bibi happy at all times.

The Republicans, on the other hand, don't have such limitations.

R10 Golan Heights? You mean Syrian territories that are currently a warzone thanks to Israel's illegal occupation?

R12, children playing football were blown apart by a missile fired from Lebanon and you are blaming Israel for that?

Do you not think muslims should be held accountable for any of their actions?

Are you that kind of white supremacist?

I see Hamas fan boys have entered this thread.

[quote]I'm convinced Bibi Netanyahu is trying to sink the Democrats

If that's the case, the democrats are letting him do that to them.

r3 "ahead of the anniversary of the worst atrocity against since the Holocaust"

I truly don't know - what is it

Eh… I think it’s more that he knows this is his best shot to do whatever the eff he wants. No candidate is going to shut Israel down during an election year.

R14 Comments like this are why it's impossible to have a sensible discussion about the Arab Israeli conflict.

If you object to innocent women and children being blown to smithereens in Gaza or Lebanon, then you're often labelled a "Hamas/Hezbollah fan boy" or a "terrorist sympathiser".

If you say Israel is doing the right thing, then you're often labelled with antisemitic terms.

I honestly think people just thrive on arguing/conflict and don't really care about any kind of resolution because then they'd be bored.

We all know what needs to happen to Bibi.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister)

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”

“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948,

OP, they certainly wouldn’t mind if Trump were elected. Few American politicians are more closely allied with Zionism than Trump.

But they are not doing this primarily to affect the election. It’s all part of the same ethnic cleansing and imperialism that’s marked Israel’s behavior since it was founded.

And as usual the “anti semeets” canard gets trotted out to see if anyone will salute it. Despite the fact that many of the most enthusiastic supporters of Zionism in America are evangelical Christians, or fascists like Trump, and many of zionisms most articulate critics are Jews.

You do know that most Lebanese hate Hezbollah and that there were celebrations in the streets when that Nasrallah pig was smoked, right? They just want their country back and not have their government be a hostage to Iran's terrorists.

OP and the author of that tweet just show how utterly clueless they are when it comes to geopolitics. Their hatred of The Jew trump everything, even facts.

Israel is cleaning up the region beautifully. No idea why or when the Western libs became such fans of terrorism. Antisemitism and intersectionality do crazy shit to one's brain, I suppose.

Thanks for explaining how much Lebanon hearts Israel r22 and the Lebanese people love being bombed and invaded by Israel. Who wouldn’t? JUSTIFIED ALWAYS!

R23 what on earth are you smoking? Western libs adore the biggest terrorist regime in the Middle East, just like you do!

I see the one or two Zionist looneys here got the op grayed out. Liking their own posts wasn't enough.

Bibi can try all he wants to disrupt the election but it won't happen The majority of the US people can barely understand Project 25 and have become immune to Trump's rhetoric. However, Bibi can't touch or impact the issue of abortion rights in this country/election.

The October surprise will be the evidence Jack Smith will release later this month in Judge Chutkan's case.

Netanyahu is doing what he always wanted to do, invading Lebanon, and Iran is next. After 9/11, Dick Cheney and his Neo Con cabal cherry picked Intel to try to convince the American people that somehow Iraq was involved in 9/11. The goal was to instigate an invasion of Iran. They needed to subdue Iraq where Hussein was no longer our pawn, and then subdue Lebanon so they could go into Iran. But to his credit, George W. Bush put a stop to it. Netanyahu has always got along better with hardliners and Conservatives and hated Obama and has no respect for Biden. Netanyahu is an old whore like Trump and they get along.

Matt A. is in the room.

It's the Democratic Party. Democrat Party instantly ids you as a rightwinger.

Instead of listening to that MAGA bitch on Twitter or the OP, who are both convinced the dirty Jews run the world, you could go to r/Lebanon and see what the young Lebanese actually think of Hezbollah. Believe it or not, brown people can hate another group of brown people, and not everyone is united in their antisemitism. A shocking notion, I know.

Oh yes, because all other countries want to do is affect the outcome of our elections, even if it means killing thousands of their own people.

Wow, OP. You’re quick, really on the pulse of things. Duh.

R1, no shade, I’m genuinely interested to know how old you are. Be honest. Trying to establish some context before I hazard a response to your post. Thank you.

Op you’re suckin air up your ass

Oh, don’t be stupid, R35. Because of Trump, Iran can now probably assemble a nuclear warhead and nuke Israel if it chooses to do so.

The “no new wars” line is such a fucking joke, because Trump would just roll over to Putin, Xi Jinling, Kim Jong Un and the rest of Autocracy, Inc. because he’s a wannabe dictator who is against democracy. And he sold out Afghanistan, agreeing to withdrawal over a year in advance in negotiation with the Taliban which fell on Biden’s watch. He’s a terrible negotiator, enthralled to dictators so much he just gives things away for nothing in return like he did with North Korea over their nuclear testing. He’s a total self-interested loser.

Luckily for us he’ll never see the White House again since he killed so many of his supporters during the pandemic and has only gained one voter since 2020 - JD Vance.

Someone spray some RAID on the MAGAt, please.

Trump is a repulsive antisemite in the same way AOC, Tliab, Omar are etc.

They both believe the Jews are money obsessed manipulative plotting controlling conspiracy theories - Trump just thinks it's a good thing.

Accidentally on purpose?

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"BREAKING: Israel struck Russia's Hmeimim Air Base on the coast of west Syria near Jableh. Both Syrian and Russian air defenses were active but failed to intercept the strikes."

Biden said he believes BeBe is not in favor of a ceasefire and keeps the war going to escape jail time. He is working to help Trump get elected.

[quote] After 9/11, Dick Cheney and his Neo Con cabal cherry picked Intel to try to convince the American people that somehow Iraq was involved in 9/11. The goal was to instigate an invasion of Iran.

If that was the "plan," it was insane. Nothing was better for Iran than our invasion and destruction of Iraq, especially after destroying the Taliban in Afghanistan (which was inevitable), on the other side of Iran. Iran could've planned out our entire war policy in the region and it would have been exactly the same. Iran won the Iraq War more than anybody else.

he and trump are besties

[quote]taking out the terrorist group that has been targeting them all year

I wonder why they would target a nation that has illegally settled in/routinely oppressed them on their own land for 7 decades? Don't think so? Watch the documentaries Israelism and The Settlers, then get back to us on why Israel is "has been targeted."

I don't think he's trying to sink the Democrats. I think he's taking advantage of the fact that it being the month before Amsrican elections gives him a lot of room to do whatever he wants.

Hey Medhi, what brings you to Datalounge, I thought you despised the queers!

Agree with R17 and especially the first 1/2 of R41.

They’ve widely differing public rationales; but both Bibi and Putin seek to invade and eventually appropriate adjoining lands.

Bibi knows better, but unless he furiously keeps tensions aflame, until he can come up with a better plan (or he dies), it’s the only way he can occupy office and thus stay out of jail.

R47 - it's very handy that Iran is helping both Russia and Israel.

It's arming Russia so it can continue to attack Ukraine and it's coordinating attacks on Israel via Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis to give Israel an excuse to invade Lebanon and Gaza.

That Bibi has “promised” Biden that he would not attack Iranian oil sources or its nuclear reactors would be a favor to Harris.

He’s the Jewish Dump-tryin to stay out of prison.

Not to worry - that cute sugar baby Macron has decided to save the day!

"The French president recently called for a halt to arms deliveries to Israel in an interview with French radio, which triggered an angry response from the Israeli prime minister who declared "shame" on the French president."

He absolutely is. And the Biden administration is sailing right into the iceberg.

[quote]Not to worry - that cute sugar baby Macron has decided to save the day! "The French president recently called for a halt to arms deliveries to Israel in an interview with French radio, which triggered an angry response from the Israeli prime minister who declared "shame" on the French president."

And Israel reminded France that it helped the Nazis round up Jews 80 years ago to send to concentration camps.

Macron is playing two crowds here - the court of international opinion and the French electorate, which of course has a major problem with anti Jew hate (Mélenchon) and Islamism. France's role in Lebanon is also a factor.

Hezbollah has been enabled to operate as it wants by UNIFIL and the UN will fight hard to cover that up, just like it did with UNRWA.

And when Netenyahu goes, which he will eventually and hopefully soon, do you think his successors are going to take a different view to the genocidal terrorist groups who keep trying and succeeding in killing Israelis?

Ethnic cleansing of Gazans to create an Israeli Riviera for billionaire Jews.

R53 Rabin did.

Destroy Iran, Israel!

Welp.

I loved her in Chicago.

"But we thought tying ourselves to a racist, murderous genocidal monster was the key to Jewish money and political triumph!"

The plan is for every successful country to go authoritarian. It seems to be worth it.

[quote] "But we thought tying ourselves to a racist, murderous genocidal monster was the key to Jewish money and political triumph!"

I can’t think why supporters of Israel would back the candidate who took on Iran over the party who appeased Iran.

Maybe things are a bit more complicated than black and white here?

[quote] Maybe things are a bit more complicated than black and white here?

Not when it comes to genocide. You either fund it or you don’t. You either support it or you don’t.

Just as well what is happening in Gaza isn’t genocide then

R63 The entire north Gaza is currently under a forced famine. Every single hospital is either in rubble or under siege. In what universe is that not a genocide?

Go die in a grease fire you fascist psychopath.

R63 - tell Hamas to give civilians the food they stole and to stop using hospitals as military bases.

And to release the hostages and to surrender all their weapons.

I can't wait for all those first and second generation Arab Americans and their student protester allies to see how Donald Trump treats the Palestinians in Gaza. I wonder how many of them are familiar with the word, "genocide."

R65 Even the IDF isn't claiming Hamas has stolen food lmao. You just pulled it out of your stinky, gooey, Zionist cum filled asshole.

R67 - when the Islamists finish with the Jews they'll be coming for you next

I'm curious if this defeat will change the Dems' approach to Israel. The old "whatever you do is okay with us" policy isn't working anymore, so i see no reason to go ahead with it anymore. They need to make Israel more answerable.

I'm not American or in the USA but do you think the perceived appeasement to Muslims when Americans are being held hostage by Hamas could also have cost the Democrats votes?

Do you think the videos of hostage posters being ripped down from lampposts has made people more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause?

Have marches and flag burnings and "Globalise the Intifada" protests helped change the opinions of Americans?

We all saw the excruciating videos of the university bosses being questioned about whether calling for the death of Jews is protected free speech?

R70, more the opposite. The support of Israel by Biden and Harris likely cost her votes from young progressives who stayed home.

Whatever attempts there were to balance free speech for pro and anti-Israel factions on college campuses (I wouldn't call it appeasement, really) was the purview of the colleges themselves, not Biden or Harris.

And if the Democrats did take up that stance to get the young progressive vote out, do you think it's possible they would alienate more voters who are centre left and see the Israel / Palestine / Lebanon / Syria / Yemen / Iran issue as more complex than a hashtag?

Look, Israel is a sovereign nation, just like France or the UK, or Germany. We may hate the leader of the moment, and we may thoroughly disagree with his policies, but we cannot just force another nation to do or not do what they feel is in their interests. And if we're shipping weapons to them, because they were attacked, and we have a a treaty or agreement to defend them or be their ally, then that's the way it is. Now, in the old days we would work clandestinely to remove the offending party and get them out of the way so we could work with a better leader. I do not know why Biden didn't just shoot BiBi in his ass.

R69, no, they don't. Israel has a right to go to defend itself. The left is appeasing and giving support to Islamic terrorists.

Ya-think?

For the idiot who doesn't believe Hamas has stolen food: