Noted historian Mike Johnson has weighed in
House Speaker Mike Johnson says the Roman Empire collapsed because of rampant homosexual behavior!
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 30, 2024 11:00 AM |
Get her!
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 26, 2024 7:24 PM |
Dear lord, this easily debunked shit again. Notice how this argument resurfaces every couple of years, and always from the same fuckers too.
Not even the Vatican itself would put out such a claim because they know damn well the collapse came after Christianity was made the official religion and homosexuality was starting to get frowned upon, if not outright outlawed (that came later under Justinian, after the "fall").
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 26, 2024 7:24 PM |
Imagine having a belief system that’s largely only valid within half of the population of one country.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 26, 2024 7:26 PM |
This has always been one of the stupidest "explanations." It doesn't work even on its own terms. You would have to show that the Roman Empire (really the Western Roman Empire, the Eastern half is always forgotten here) but anyway you'd have to show that the empire went from banning homosexuality to condoning it. The opposite happened. As Christian God-botherers took over homosexuality became more and more unpopular and punished, and THEN the collapse happened. It's why Gibbon had the much more sensible theory that it was Christianity itself that really caused the collapse, as the empire descended into idiotic theological squabbles. That doesn't really hold up either, but still it at least looks at a change and speculates how that change might have affected things.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 26, 2024 7:26 PM |
Oh hunny, doth protest too much.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 26, 2024 7:31 PM |
Why doesn't he ask Chuck Grassley? He was there.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 26, 2024 7:48 PM |
He is absolute scum.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 26, 2024 7:59 PM |
There's all sorts of wrong about this guy.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 26, 2024 8:07 PM |
Mike, shouldn't you be monitoring your son's porn watching with the Covenant Eyes app?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 26, 2024 8:10 PM |
Just a reminder - he's second in line to the Presidency.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 26, 2024 8:34 PM |
He dreams of twink ballsacks in his face every night.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 26, 2024 8:36 PM |
Christian fundamentalists have been making the claim since the political rise of the Religious Right. And Mike Johnson has been repeating it for some years now.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 26, 2024 9:02 PM |
How exactly does a little cocksucking lead to the decline of an empire?
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 26, 2024 9:06 PM |
I’d say stupid leaders were more likely to blame.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 26, 2024 9:07 PM |
The Speaker of the House: a bigoted dunce. So depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 26, 2024 9:21 PM |
It fell because of Christianity. The gnostics and the Greek hierophants predicted and warned about it. There was a famous gnostic hiorophant whose name I don’t remember now, who wrote that this rising religion was an expanding dark cloud. He said that this dark cloud was going to bring much suffering and pain in the world.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 26, 2024 9:21 PM |
What happened to stupid people accepting that their lot in life is being a plumber's assistant, restocking shelves at a gas stations and such and NOT aspiring to be politicians?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 26, 2024 9:25 PM |
Rome was never stronger than it was under us.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 26, 2024 9:38 PM |
There's a new murder show on ID called Cabin in the Woods. The last episode featured a southern fundie pastor and his devoted wife.
Pastor had lurid thoughts and got involved with a younger man. Took wifey on a vacay to an isolated cabin and beat her brains out. Tried to pass it off on a band of wandering crazies but all evidence led to him. Letters and diaries told the tale that their marriage had been a sham for a long while. Pastor was lusting after cock.
Poor wife made the most of her life as a pastor's wife until her Satan-driven deeply closeted man-loving religious hypocrite did her in.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 26, 2024 9:41 PM |
Historians today would credit it to the division of the empire and the invasion of Germanic tribes.
But what do they know? Mike Johnson has a B.S. in business administration from Louisiana State.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 26, 2024 9:43 PM |
Well, glad that mystery has finally been solved.
Thanks Mike. Appreciate your deep investigation into the matter.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 26, 2024 9:47 PM |
Political instability, economic decline, military weakness, overexpansion, barbarian invasions, and the rise of Germanic tribes which ultimately led to the collapse of central authority and the division of the empire into separate regions are generally considered the primary causes for the fall of the empire.
Most notably INTERNAL CORRUPTION and division were both key factors. Rather than serving the interests of the Empire, rulers, generals, and politicians became more concerned with protecting themselves.
Deflecting much, Mike, or simply projection?
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 26, 2024 9:50 PM |
So glad you know so much about homosexuality, Mike.
How did you become such an expert?
Where did your interest in homosexuality begin?
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 26, 2024 9:53 PM |
At six when I lusted after the boy next door.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 26, 2024 9:55 PM |
Unless ALL OF ROME was so busy ass-fucking that they forgot to fight the invading Gauls, no. Not correct.
I’m getting really tired of these Evangelicals and Trad Catholics fetishizing the Roman Empire. They literally dream about it. They enjoy their mistaken conception of it as a sort of White Dude paradise.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 26, 2024 10:02 PM |
The division was exactly caused by Christianity and was not really introduced by real Roman, who respected their culture, religion and traditions, but by the emperors in what is now Turkey. Had real Romans from the Italian peninsula not given any power to those middle eastern people, Christianity would not have grown the way it did.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 26, 2024 10:04 PM |
[quote] the rise of Germanic tribes
This is why we can't have nice things. Roman libertinism gave way to judgmental, rule-based, uptighy German austerity!
by Anonymous | reply 28 | September 26, 2024 10:08 PM |
Maybe Rome fell because of a lack of anal hygiene....
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 26, 2024 10:09 PM |
It's all so silly r26. On top of everything, for its first 300 years, including its BEST YEARS, the Roman Empire was pagan. Whatever it was, it wasn't some big showcase for Christianity. If they want to fetishize it, fine, but they should note they are fetishizing a big ole pagan, bisexual empire that would despise all their bullshit opinions. (of course the Eastern Roman empire, misnamed the Byzantine Empire, was in fact Christian and lasted a thousand years, but for some reason they don't get into that one. Not quite white enough, I imagine, though you're right, the Western half wasn't really into white purity either.)
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 26, 2024 10:11 PM |
Has Mike Johnson researched whether the Romans were cut or uncut? I feel like he would somehow know the answer.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 26, 2024 10:12 PM |
R29, trust me. The Germans are/were worse.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 26, 2024 10:15 PM |
[quote] Maybe Rome fell because of a lack of anal hygiene....
Well, we know they were really into baths, big communal baths, one of the things that was probably really attractive about the whole deal. My guess is their anal hygiene was excellent, maybe better than ours if it comes down to a contest.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 26, 2024 10:16 PM |
But they had a communal ass washing rag...
by Anonymous | reply 34 | September 26, 2024 10:25 PM |
Bring back the Roman baths!!
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 26, 2024 11:50 PM |
He’s been watching too many gladiator movies.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 27, 2024 12:38 AM |
Every criticism is a projection, Mike.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 27, 2024 8:48 AM |
And masturbating to them, R36.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 27, 2024 6:04 PM |
These morons keep talking about things that a non-weird person would never even think of.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 27, 2024 6:23 PM |
[quote]Roman Empire collapsed because of rampant homosexual behavior!
So did the very liberal Weimar Republic (1918-1933).
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 27, 2024 6:43 PM |
Mike wants a deep dicking.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | September 27, 2024 6:47 PM |
Nobody asked house speaker Mike Johnson a goddamned thing.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 27, 2024 7:03 PM |
He talks to God!
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 27, 2024 8:22 PM |
He probably demonstrates to his adopted son what NOT to do with other men. For educational purposes!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 28, 2024 9:20 AM |
"Men, acting like women. Men wanting to be with one another, men touching each other. Their stubbly chins rubbing up against one another. Touching each other. Manly hands touching swirls of of chest hair. An occasional wiff of a rugged aftershave. Their low, baritone voices sighing, grunting. They hold one another in manly, masculine arms. Hold one another. Tight."
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 28, 2024 9:56 AM |
Linsey Graham and Tim Scott both agree with the speaker.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 28, 2024 10:57 AM |
Johnson is a Dicktator wannabe.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 28, 2024 11:46 AM |
Cunt knows fuck all about history. Or much of anything
I'd be willing to bet good money that he's been fucking/ sucking the son all along and it'll all come out in due course. Something similar happened here with a similar cunt of a "Christian" politician
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 28, 2024 12:12 PM |
[quote]He probably demonstrates to his adopted son what NOT to do with other men. For educational purposes.
Doesn't everyone?
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 28, 2024 2:35 PM |
Oh, daddy...!
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 28, 2024 3:04 PM |
Republicans can be easily broken down into two groups: the con artists and the gullible.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 28, 2024 3:15 PM |
[quote] Gibbon had the much more sensible theory that it was Christianity itself that really caused the collapse, as the empire descended into idiotic theological squabbles
I don't know what Gibbon's specific arguments were, but that doesn't make much sense given that the eastern empire, which was where the main idiotic theological squabbles and councils were taking place, went on for another millennium—losing territory in the long term, to be sure, but retaining its wealth and diplomatic power. (The western Roman provinces fell under local governance, mostly by the elites of Germanic migrant groups, by 500 and effectively became independent countries.)
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 28, 2024 3:19 PM |
There was no one cause to the collapse of the Roman:
Corruption and mismanagement in governing, for instance, were factors. The Roman genius lay in its ability to incorporate conquered territories, but in the century before 476 CE, were the peoples coming into the empire in the West becoming Roman or were the Romans becoming Germanic? The shift of the empire's focus from West to East after Constantine led to decline in the West. Christianity challenged traditional Roman values vis a vis poverty, the poor, spiritual conversion, and in its refusal to worship Roman deities, especially emperor-worship. Yet, Christianity's success lay in its adoption of Roman administration, Roman ideas of inclusion and universality.
I'd rather argue for the continuance of the ideals of Rome after the Fifth century CE. It's revived in the the Holy Roman Empire which lasted until 1806. The Byzantine Empire evolved from the Roman Empire and lasted until 1453. Roman ideas of governance found their way into the American constitution.
The austere, puritanical Romans themselves were appalled by the decadence of their fellow Romans. Christian writers condemning abusive Roman practices (slaughtering infants, domination any and all who were of lesser status) were influenced by Stoics condemning the same.
Johnson is a religious zealot with a simplistic understanding of history.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 28, 2024 3:30 PM |
The thing about this statement - is that it's just the same statement parroted over and over again.
It's literally - 'my pastor or someone I trust told me Roman Empire fell because of lack of morals and homosexuality' - and that's all they need. They've never looked into it really - they just repeat it as the gospel truth. Which happens A LOT with religious people.
But for Johnson - it also helps to 'throw off the scent' about his own homosexuality.
The closet makes people crazy - Mike Johnson, Lindsey Graham, Roger Stone (exposed as bisexual), JD Vance - it's insane.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | September 28, 2024 3:32 PM |
I might be engaging in some rampant homosexual behavior tonight.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 28, 2024 3:44 PM |
I’m seeing some gross misrepresentations of Gibbon’s thoughts on Christianity. There is an extensive secondary literature specifically on this topic. If you have trouble sleeping, J.G.A. Pocock is good for this.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 28, 2024 3:45 PM |
Maybe it did because there were no children being born?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 28, 2024 3:47 PM |
Yeah, you're right r52. I probably half-remembering it, and I think there's also something about too much focus on the next world, etc., but as I said I don't think most historians think it holds up very well anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 28, 2024 3:49 PM |
Rampant is the best kind of homosexual behavior!
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 28, 2024 5:19 PM |
[quote]The closet makes people crazy - Mike Johnson, Lindsey Graham, Roger Stone (exposed as bisexual), JD Vance - it's insane
Is Lindsey Graham really in the closet? I know he’s never publicly announced he’s gay, but he’s made no pretense of being straight either. Has he?
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 29, 2024 5:46 PM |
He claims to have dated Laura Ingraham. I know...
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 29, 2024 6:04 PM |
Why do none of the proponents of the theory ever attempt a causal explanation? Even if homosexuality were an abomination, what is the mechanism?
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 29, 2024 6:05 PM |
Even as a young high school student, I could make no sense of the argument. I had already learned that the empire was christianized before its fall. How then was that compatible with rampant homosexuality? Had that same simple thought never enters his head in his half century of living?
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 29, 2024 6:09 PM |
The mechanism is people not going to the gun range enough, or not enough ground beef and ranch dressing in utero, R62.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 29, 2024 6:12 PM |
Well r63, Evangelical Christians have very long training in never, ever having simple thoughts enter their heads. It's been built into an artform, and they exercise it, well, religiously.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 29, 2024 6:45 PM |
I suppose the Great Depression was our fault too.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 30, 2024 5:10 AM |
Yes, R60, he has publicly said he's not gay. He's also claimed he got a lot of puss in his military days (as an Air Force defense attorney?).
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 30, 2024 11:00 AM |