American Sports Story: Aaron Hernandez

[quote] Will they show Aaron getting it on with guys?

I doubt you will see any man-on-man sex. You will see the actor playing Hernandez with expressions of rage/lust/shame/confusion as he looks at whatever man is the object of his attention. You'll probably see him sitting on a bed while another man peels his shirt off as the bedroom door closes. You might see him kiss another man or push a man down simulating a blow job. That's about it.

"It’s overtly sexual in a way that defines Hernandez’s life as a womanizer on the outside and a depressed, self-hating homophobe on the inside."

A football player who's a womanizer on the outside and a self-hating gay on the inside?

Sorry, not buying it. Zero stars!

Airing tonight

This story has been told a lot ever since he died but I’ll still be tuning in.

The review suggests that it portrays his dysfunction as rooted in his (queer) sexuality rather than his childhood trauma or his CTE, which was confirmed to have been far more advanced than thought possible in a player of his age. I don't need to watch a series that conflates sociopathy with homosexuality, repressed or not.

I'm watching it so far. I like Tammy Blanchard as Hernandez's mom. She's a hoot.

Tammy Blanchard is great

For those who've watched the first two episodes, are there any nude/sex scenes?

I thought the first two episodes were pretty good.

Any homosex?

There were brief nudity scenes in the second episode of hetero sex and brief scene of Hernandez on a gay hookup site and him meeting up with guy, but he leaves before they go off somewhere.

When's the steamy shower scene between Hernandez and Tim Tebow?

I know a bi guy like this, in the sense that he's a womanizer but self hating gay on the inside

[quote] The review suggests that it portrays his dysfunction as rooted in his (queer) sexuality rather than his childhood trauma or his CTE, which was confirmed to have been far more advanced than thought possible in a player of his age. I don't need to watch a series that conflates sociopathy with homosexuality, repressed or not.

Excellent point, R6, but maybe the series will not conflate sociopathy with homosexuality and instead highlight the effects of anti-gay and homophobic attitudes and abuse as the root cause of that sociopathyHe grew up in a milieu and circumstances rife with those attitudes.

R12: Any Tim Tebow nude scenes?

R16 no. The scenes of Tebow were very short of him on the football field. From the promo for next week's episode, it looks like Tebow will be featured more. Nepo baby Patrick Schwarzenegger's IMDB only lists him for 2 episodes. I know IMDB isn't always accurate.

The show doesn't paint University of Florida or Urban Meyer in the best light.

I don't think this is available to me :( Have looked everywhere. I hate living in Norway.

R14 Those are always the funnest lays

It was entertaining, but we do need to see more butts.....everybody in the locker room was covered up from waist to knees.....

Please.....more butts please.

Aaron never did the towel dance. He was disappointed when those other cocks, long or fat or stubby or otherwise, were hidden in any way in the sacred open space of the locker room.

Or in the pick up truck according to this series so far.

So far this is okay. Tammy Blanchard is amazing as the mom!

Oh I just watched the second episode again.....I must have fallen asleep.....a couple of skinny white butts and some interesting scenes when Aaron is fucking a girl but really getting off on seeing his team mates fucking girls in the same room.

R17: Good to know thanks. I think nepo baby Patrick Schwarzenegger baring it all on The White Lotus is more likely.

I know she’s done questionable things (although obviously Aaron did far worse) but I kinda feel bad for Shayanna. I believe Aaron had a preference for men but there did appear to be genuine love between him and Shayanna. In his suicide letter he called her his soulmate. The show is basically just portraying her as a beard.

Either he was genuinely into her or was just really good at faking it.

[quote]I kinda feel bad for Shayanna.

I do too, I bet his family treated her badly. She's black / biracial and some of those those working-class Puerto Ricans can be, shall we say, unenlightened.

Huddles & pileups & skin tight pants & ass slapping

Why did they release this the same time as Monster? I feel like it stole this story’s thunder

Tuesday night at 10 p.m. on FX.

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R28 I agree. It’s ironic since Aaron’s father appeared to be a black Puerto Rican ^^

In text messages Alexander Bradley later said he didn’t actually know who shot him. He didn’t have a pretty record either and was convinced for shooting up a bar I believe.

Convicted*

I wouldn’t be surprised if he shot the two Cape Verdeans too.

How come Ryan isn’t portrayed in this show?

I still want to know exactly why Aaron killed Odin Lloyd? Did Odin find out something he shouldn’t have?

What's your hunch, R38? What saith the Internet sleuths?

R39 I don’t know. Maybe Odin was privy to Aaron’s bisexuality/homosexuality and was going to tell Shayanna’s sister (who he was dating) who in turn would tell Shayanna? So Aaron decided he had to go.

Or maybe Odin threatened to out Aaron unless Aaron helped him make it to the NFL. Odin was a semi professional football player.

I thought Odin knew about Aaron shooting those Cape Verdean guys.

I think r40 has it

R42 I recall hearing that as well.

I read Jose Baez’s book (I know) and granted he’s biased but he helped me see reasonable doubt in the second murder case Aaron was acquitted of. I could see a scenario where Alexander Bradley shot them too. I definitely think Aaron shot Odin tho.

Aaron acted like he was black whenever he talked to the Pouncey brothers on the phone in jail. Also think it’s interesting he was suspected of shooting/killing mostly black men while also using other black men as accomplices, and he chose a black woman as his public girlfriend. Yet none of his suspected male lovers were black. I wonder if he made a move on Odin? They were said to be pretty close, hanging out in Aaron’s man cave and smoking weed for hours.

Yet whenever Aaron talked to Ryan on the phone in jail, he sounded more “white” and soft and romantic with him. He liked to code switch.

WEHT Aaron's prison bitch?

How was Ryan Muphy able to nail the casting in Monsters, yet did so poorly with Aaron Hernandez in American Sports Story? Smh. This acting choice is too distracting, like I have to keep reminding myself that that's really Aaron Hernandez.

I just started watching it and the shade from Ryan Murphy. They playing that Ciara song Ride because of the rumors regarding Russel Wilson’s sexuality. I just know it. Fkin cunts 😂.

The Puerto Rican papi from Juice is his dad. Fkin sexy as fuck in middle age.

This actor here isn’t bad looking. He is not as good looking as Aaron, his nose is kinda funny but he is a very good actor.

I was scandalized by the exchange that he had with the guy online about where to cum.

Wow this is moving at a rapid speed pace. Wow. It’s good though.

So apparently Erik was never gay. He just thought he was. In his testimony he said he was attracted to women.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Will DL fave Tammy Blanchard get a nomination for this dreck?

I actually like this actor a lot. He’s not drop dead gorgeous, his attractiveness more understated. Great smile. He has a spark to him.

More butts.

R57 Probably not. She's not well known. She is an actress who I wish had a bigger career.

Schwarzenegger’s son is playing Tim Tebow 😂. Bye. Tim Tebow wishes.

Oh the Indian guy. Yeah he was great.

Holy Shit I didn’t realize that was Tammy Blanchard! She’s great in this.

The lead is a decent actor, but not nearly as hunky as the real Aaron, psychopath that he was.

R63 His acting is so good it’s making him sexier. It’s just Aaron was so classically handsome with a nice nose. This actor dude is fine tho, he’s sexy as fuck.

Perhaps if Aaron had God in his life like Tim Tebow he wouldn’t have spiraled so out of control.

Is it available to stream?

It’s on Hulu.

R66 I’m watching it on Disney+

I've watched the first two episodes and it's exactly what I expected. It's not great, but engaging. They show his early gay screwing around with guys (well, a guy), but there's nothing explicit. There's only been two episodes - one showed a high school hook-up where he bails on the guy - but it was clearly implied that he had hooked up with the guy before. And in the second episode, he bails on another hookup while in college. It's presented less as "self-hating" (though he does say "I can't afford to be a faggot" in the second encounter) and more that he's paranoid and very aware of "all eyes on me" since he's a top athlete. I guess the result is the same no matter - if he's THAT paranoid, then there has to be some self hate. And if I'm remembering correctly, they do show him looking at gay porn.

His high school boyfriend is so hot. They’re both so fkin hot. Gosh I wish I could have been gay jock in high school lol. And I think we have a star in our hands ladies and gentleman. This lead is going to be huge, mark my words. The Puerto Rican Bobby D.

And the actress playing his girlfriend is bad as fuck too 😂

If you guys want to listen to Aaron’s jail calls, here’s the link. You can only listen to the ogg files.

You have to download the ogg file and then upload the file to convert it on here. Then you can listen to it.

There’s also some of his jail calls uploaded on YouTube.

Aaron’s daughter is cute. I wish her well.

Too bad they didn't have Aaron come out to Tim Tebow...or Tim Tebow come out to Aaron!

Last nights episode had Aaron eating his girlfriend’s pussy to pray the gay away.

So that’s good

Hawt. He is so hot anything sexual with him is hot.

R75 aww looks like a little Dominique Dawes or something.

R77: Thanks. Any Tim Tebow nude scenes in last night’s episode?

The lead is way hotter than real life Aaron.

R81 I kinda feel that way too now. I like Latino guys that look more black even if they’re light skin. If I want a Euro looking papi I’d just date an Italian or Spaniard.

He’s just so thuggish and manly. And a bisexual sex addict. If only he didn’t kill. I wonder if his victims were snitching. And “eff you” to any critics because I remember you whores lusting like crazy over Jeffrey Dahmer.

R76 Tim Tebow has probably never come out to a non family member or priest. Guys raised like him really think being gay is some type of disease that can be cured or a devil taking whole of someone’s soul.

Library cruising - fun!

Religious indoctrination and recruiting - less fun.

Same, R82.

Ryan Murphy is so messy the way he is making it seem like Aaron and Tebow were into each other 😂. I don’t care though; shit is fucking hot as fuck. I don’t care what anyone says. Ryan Murphy might be the GOAT.

Aaron was such an alpha. He never kissed them. But I woulda had this fine ass nigga kissing me. I always do.

This is really good. Lately I’ve been going to a Mass. That’s what has helped me to stay sober these past 2 months. However I want to better than that. I want to stop being a whore too. This show is inspiring.

Wow this is really good the way they are writing it with Tebow literally being able to be read both ways. It’s really good. Ok I’ll stop posting now 😂

The Reddit threads, unsurprisingly, are substantively stuck on the gay portrayal, many posts saying it's too much and even claiming a "gay agenda." A few posts claimed that since he dated and fucked women, that wasn't shown enough. I don't know what they're expecting with a sensationalized Ryan Murphy production in light of the fact that Hernandez actually did fuck around with men.

R92 There are a lot of closet Mos in college sports watching this Tuesday nights with their beards. Except the beards don’t know they are beards 😂.

His real life girlfriend is the new Snow White btw.

Another good episode!

Do they show any actual …

Not explicitly, only suggestively.

What is his real life bf doing now? He visited him in jail or called him... he was a cute Twink

Just caught up with all three episodes thanks to FX's 'video on demand'. I'm not really liking the actor who plays AH. AH was so much more handsome and sexier - and he had a better body. But aside from that, he is delivering a good performance. The show moves pretty quickly, and the other cast members are very good.

[quote]I read Jose Baez’s book

It's on sale on Kindle for $1.99 today.

There are blow job scenes but not actual sex. There was a gay chicken scene where a guy with a big black hard-on walked toward a guy sitting down but it looked like a fake dick. Other than that not a lot of the homo sex.

Birthday Money is the best episode so far

It’s a shame how things ended because Aaron should’ve had a great life.

I hope Aaron’s brother DJ doesn’t get triggered by this show and gets in trouble with the law again. He’s been losing it lately.

Josh Rivera’s acting was impressive in this episode.

I liked the scene with Shayanna in the grocery store.

However let’s never forget the victim of the real Aaron Hernandez. Fkin psychopath murdered this poor brother.

R107 Yeah Aaron’s life was a tragedy because he not only ruined his life, but other lives as well.

But I liked how this series is showing how everyone failed him.

I haven’t seen episode 4 yet but it seems like Ryan Murphy is suggesting CTE, self loathing homophobia, and the jealousy around his mother’s boyfriend led him to murder Odin Lloyd.

I know it’s Ryan Murphy but the scenes of Aaron constantly hooking up with guys every episode is getting redundant. He had a lot of things going on that are hardly touched upon in comparison.

I heard Odin Lloyd is only going to be featured in one episode (in which he gets killed), but considering Aaron was found guilty for his murder, the show should portray their friendship more in depth before things ended tragically. His friendships with Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace (who were convicted of being accomplices to the murder) also haven’t really been portrayed in depth. Nor has his relationship with Shayanna who many people believe disposed of the murder weapon. There should also be a whole episode about his friendship with Alexander Bradley and how it turned sour.

R112 Shayanna’s sister was dating Lloyd and according to her they weren’t as close as the media suggests. They were just starting to become friends. I used to think there was a perhaps a secret gay romance between them when all the gay stuff started coming but I don’t think so now. I do however think Lloyd found out about his sexuality.

R113 I don’t think they were BFF’s or anything but they did appear to be good friends in the short time they knew each other. Aaron was renting out cars to Odin, they would spend hours hanging out in Aaron’s mancave, they both smoked weed together and they both were football players, etc. Odin could’ve been Aaron’s brother in law one day. I just don’t think one episode is enough to develop their friendship and then show or explain why Aaron suddenly turned against Odin and wanted him dead.

R114 I see I see.

The motive in the second murder case that Daniel and Safiro (the Cape Verdeans who were killed) spilled a drink on Aaron and that’s caused him to kill them an hour later doesn’t make much sense to me. Granted the Odin murder doesn’t make sense either but I can understand it more since people tend to be killed by people they know. In the case of Odin, if he was privy to information about Aaron’s bisexuality/homosexuality, the motive for murder would make sense since Aaron didn’t want that to get out while he was in the NFL. No one at the club witnessed a spilled drink exchange between Aaron and Safiro and Daniel. Alexander Bradley was no angel either and once shot up a club. The silver SUV being hidden at the house of Aaron’s cousin Tanya shows he was involved, but it’s possible Alexander shot them too. I saw security footage at the club from the night of the murders and you can see one of the victims looking at Alexander a few times while they were waiting in line. Maybe those guys already knew him.

I also learned that several NFL players helped pay for Aaron’s second trial, which explains how he was able to afford his defense team. Was it the Pouncey brothers? Deonte Thompson showed solidarity to Aaron while leaving the stand. Fred Taylor didn’t initially believe Aaron killed himself because they spoke on the phone a day before. Cam Newton speaks positively about Aaron while still acknowledging that bad stuff happened because of him. Meanwhile everybody went in on Aaron at Tom Brady’s roast and several players from that team don’t seem to have anything positive to say about him.

I'm thinking it was the Pouncey brothers and maybe other NFL players who were teammates of Hernandez at U of Florida. He might have a tighter bond with those teammates than he did with teammates on the Patriots.

The Boston Globe released a podcast about Hernandez through Wondery back in 2018. It was called Gladiator. I listened to it when it first came out. Brandon Lloyd who played one season with Hernandez talked about how he was warned early on by Wes Welker about Hernandez's behavior

[quote]“He stops me and, kind of touches me on my shoulders and he’s looking at me wide-eyed in my face and he says, ‘Your locker is in between [Rob] Gronkowski and Hernandez. I just want to warn you that he’s going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He’s going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you’re sitting out on your stool. He’s going to have his towel and try to dry off in front of you while you’re sitting at your locker. He’s going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away.’ So, even before I met Aaron on a personal level, that was how I was warned about him prior to getting to my locker,” said Lloyd

This article references some of the other drama that went down with Hernandez and other Pats teammates that was mentioned in the podcast.

I'll probably listen to the podcast again later this week. There are some things I probably forgot about that they covered which might not be covered on the FX show.

Maybe Welker was talking about Gronk.

Is Tebow still married to the beard?

Oh no, the sexual assault flashback.

Hot scene with the trainer. Well, implied hot, nothing explicit really happened on screen.

Oh I see-his sexual abuse CAUSED his homosexuality. Now I understand.

I remember the arrest on tv. Red shorts- no underwear-floppy dick. I never knew he sucked dick or that he was dead but who cares. We got bigger problems.

The coach is hot.

This series will catch the same flack as Menendez for being too hyperbolic about any gay subtext to the lives and crimes. I say bravo to Ryan Murphy for showing straight America the fucking truth. And more so for this football story with black and latin culture. Most people in those three cultures tried to shut down this gay aspect of the Hernandez saga.

That said I have seen many docs about this story and, well, this is a pretty dark and depressing way to spend ones time, this series.

[quote]There was a gay chicken scene where a guy with a big black hard-on walked toward a guy sitting down but it looked like a fake dick.

As I watched this on FX VOD, they pixeled out the cock. I don't know why they would do that if it was seen on the other formats (I wonder if they pixeled it out on the network run? ).

In the first trial it came out that Aaron cheated on Shayanna a lot with other women, including trying to romance their nanny.

At the second trial I believe she found out he also cheated on her with men, like Ryan.

The problem with focusing so much on his sexuality is it’s making it seem like Aaron was violent largely because he liked guys too, instead of the fact his brain was severely damaged.

Wasn't he violent before the brain damage as well? I'm NOT saying it was due to his sexuality; more so his father and other people around him.

From Google AI:

[quote]According to Boston University's Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) Center director Ann McKee, Aaron Hernandez had stage 3 CTE, which was the WORST SHE'D SEEN IN SOMEONE WHO DIED AT AGE 27.

The CTE could have been getting progressively worse from high school on. It's a good candidate for the cause of at least some of the violent behavior, but we'll never know what he'd have been like without it.

From another source:

[quote] Aaron Hernandez Reportedly Wanted To Be A Cheerleader But His ‘Deeply Homophobic’ Dad Wouldn’t Accept It

[quote] Dennis Hernandez (Aaron's father) had long had concerns that Aaron, as a boy, had a feminine way about him — the way he stood or used his hands, his brother said. He also remembered one of Aaron’s early ambitions that sent their father over the edge.

[quote] “I remember he wanted to be a cheerleader. My cousins were cheerleaders and amazing,” Jonathan said. “And I remember coming home and like my dad put an end to that really quick. And it was not OK. My dad made it clear that … he had his definition of a man.”

[quote] The home environment, in general, was deeply homophobic.

[quote] ‘Faggot’ was used all the time in our house,” Jonathan said. “All the time. Standing. Talking. Acting. Looking. It was the furthest thing my father wanted you to even look like in our household. This was not acceptable to him.”

R125 Aaron’s energy is indeed very dark and sad.

Rewatching the Oxygen documentary

It was hot when he hooked up with his physio.

Aaron also had nice penmanship. I was surprised about that for some reason.

Yeah they guy playing Urban Meyer is hot as hell and can get it. He is apparently a broadway actor - and straight...boo.

Ooooh, I agree R136! He's a hottie. Here he is doing his thing...

I find it hard to believe Urban has not tasted the cock.

Urban is a notorious pussy hound. Wasn't he finger bangin' some chick at a bar in plain sight? I personally am way turned off by itty bitty man lips. He has 'em. The actor playing him is indeed hot, though.

[Quote] I hate living in Norway.

Well, you have a world class educational system, universal healthcare, extremely low crime, a very high standard of living, and great natural beauty.

But we have cheesy pot boiling tv. Ha ha ha! We win.

[quote]The CTE could have been getting progressively worse from high school on.

Why do you think it only started in high school? I'm sure he played football before that.

I know a guy like this, he has an overbearing father, very critical and he even thought my friend was gay... when my friend was 16, his dad asked, " you getting any pussy?" Then he started to date girls ...

He dates and fucks both sexes but I think he suppressed his real self due to his dad and family.

He didn’t like he was going to kill himself.

He didn’t sound like*

Idk why but I feel profound sadness whenever I revisit this story. I hope they don’t do anymore Aaron projects after this until like the 20 year anniversary of his murder conviction or suicide.

If Shay and/or Ryan ever write a book in the future, I would be down to buy them.

I think I want to take a break from the show and will binge the rest when it’s over. Revisiting this story brings me to a dark place. I hope everyone who’s still here and affected by this tragedy finds peace.

What did they do with his big dick?

R123 I don’t think the story is implying that. I think it’s implying his abuse made his sexuality dysfunctional.

He turned to drugs and booze to numb his pain and trauma...

The real Aaron Hernandez had a side-eye that could liquify your innards.

Alright, I'm slow. What was happening in the scene with the erect penis in the locker room in the first episode? Aaron was portrayed as enjoying it.

^^correction, the beginning of episode 2.

r152 they are playing gay chicken.

R154 don't you forfeit points if you already have a raging hard-on?

Ryan Murphy let the production designers give him a hefty hardon but I would have gone even bigger.

I'm speaking of Hernandez's boner, in his shorts, on the massage table. Yum

It was always so clearly evident he was packing in his football uniform, do they attempt to recreate that for the show?

shania whatever her name is...was so lucky!!! and that twink of his...his personal assistant lol

This show is too low budget

R160???? The production values don’t seem cheap. The acting in this is very good. I keep forgetting the real actors name but actor Aaron is an excellent actor.

Oh Gawd now they got a Behind the Blind Side docu-show coming out. Lawd. Is anybody genuine anymore besides the Queen and Jay.

I'd sign up for a streaming service that just showed docs and docudramas about scammers and the people they scam.

This really should have been a 6 episode miniseries. There’s not nearly enough story here for 10.

R164 are you kidding me. They’re on episode 5 and they haven’t even gotten to the murders yet nor the time in prison as he awaited retrial for one of the murder convictions that was overturned. This man and his family was a real life soap opera.

More butts please.

What I also love about this show is the way in which it shows how these guys, no matter the background, are fetishized as a commodity from high school to pro. The NFL pulls in billions yet they make shit in proportion and then all the physical shit they put their bodies through. My son would only play high school football if he were QB. Sorry not sorry.

Lame episode. No gay hookup, well... there was one, but we just saw him in bed with him after the fact. Disappointing.

Episode 5 was pretty meh.

As a population are men of Puerto Rican ethnicity generally cut?

I remember seeing Gronk interviewed with his family, all upbeat. The interviewer threw out a question about Aaron Hernandez, and it went totally silent, everyone looked super pissed, just like next question, move the fuck on.

R171 Aaron Hernandez almost fucked around and ruined that franchise’s legacy. I say almost because they just became greater and greater. And they were already great when he was here. The Cowboys are still worth more but stats wise the Patriots have surpassed them.

R170 Aaron was American he was cut. He wasn’t born in Puerto Rico.

The actor who plays the Florida coach is a sexy fuck. But I've never heard of him, Tony Yazbeck.

R174 he was in Patti LuPone’s Gypsy. He’s actually a straight musical guy. (Married and a religious too)

I gave Robert Kraft some credit for doing that jersey swap after Hernandez was arrested.

Was he really having THAT much gay sex? He's the gift that keeps on giving!

Aaron Hernadez was a "hot, sexy closeted Gay man".

I am starting to watch this tonight, I was going to watch yesterday, but "Abbott& Costello meets Frankenstein" was on TCM. I had to watch it with the BF's younger kids. Still sooooo funny!

The Patriots knew Aaron was in the streets and turned a blind eye to it because he was doing good for them until he was charged with murder. Then they erased him from the team’s history. I wonder if he was drafted to a team as far away from his friends in Bristol, maybe none of this would’ve ever happened.

And they don’t seem to care about Aaron’s daughter at all. I’m just glad he was able to qualify for a pension since he played 3 seasons with the Patriots before his arrest. His daughter gets his pension.

You don’t hear too much about this story.

This guy also played for the patriots at one point.

The next episode preview shows Aaron sitting in the driver’s seat shooting at Safiro Furtado and Daniel de Abreu but according to Alexander Bradley’s testimony, Aaron was sitting in the passenger seat. So that’s inaccurate. And it calls into question how could a big guy like Aaron lean over Alexander Bradley and pull off these perfect shots. I know Jose Baez gets the side eye from lots of people but his book gives an interesting perspective on the double murder trial Aaron was acquitted of. It’s also possible Alexander Bradley was actually shot in a drug deal that went wrong.

His book Unnecessary Roughness*

Black Twitter used to say the real Shayana Jenkins look like Bow Wow. And she do 😂. Even though she doesn’t look like a man or even trans at all.

I think Shayanna is pretty and don’t get why people clowned her looks.

R186 I think she’s nice looking too. She looks like a black Puerto Rican her damn self. I’m guessing those are contacts she always rocks though.

She kinda favors Naomie Harris to me, just a little lighter.

Ryan has two children with his wife Dana. I saw a photo of them on Facebook. I bet the last thing he wants is this show to draw attention to their relationship.

R187 No that’s her real eye color. Her daughter with Aaron has the same eye color.

I rewatched Super Bowl 46 on YouTube. The game where Aaron scored a touchdown and made it rain. He did really good in the game overall. Sucks that he couldn’t leave the streets and his old friends behind. People said he was Travis Kelce before Travis Kelce.

I hope Shay and the family do a project on Aaron as well one day. I don’t expect Ryan to ever speak out.

R191 Aaron was way more thugged out than Travis Kelce’s midwestern ass. He was a better athlete too. I really think CTE made him certifiably paranoid about his sexuality, like in a clinical way. It’s still no excuse for him murdering his homie like that though.

I think the gist of it so far is most of these NFL guys are nothing more than thugs who get college scholarships. Meyer said in ep 3 I think. "We can't control them." Old rich white dudes making money off of young underprivledge people of color who excel at physical activity by waving what they would consider a lot of money at them to keep them endentured. Just another form of slavery.

R193 I think so too. It doesn’t make sense why Odin even got in the car. It appeared he knew something was going to happen to him or that he saw/knew something he shouldn’t have based on his text message to his sister. I wish the other guys who were with Aaron that night, Ernest Wallace and Carlos Ortiz, would reveal how things went down.

I don’t think Aaron was a saint or didn’t already have underlying issues but I do think his severe brain damage, coupled with his friends who were bad influences and a feeling of invincibility and arrogance due to his celebrity status, was his downfall. The CTE just pushed him further to decide Odin couldn’t be trusted and had to go.

He had to be no older than 25, at the light, didn’t realize the shit was turning green, confused and delirious. I actually think he could perceive the light was green but at that moment he forgot which one meant go.

Shayanna and her sister Shaneah (Odin’s girlfriend) aren’t estranged anymore. I saw a recent photo of them together with their family.

Meh. CTE doesn't turn a guy into a cold blooded killer. Aaron's story is incredibly sad and depressing because he had a dim mind and he was oppressed and abused for most of his boyhood and teens. He was a brilliant physical specimen however. But he didn't have the wits to go legit and grow up, morally and in behaviour. He was permanent wrecked before adulthood.

If Aaron pursued the arts like say acting instead of football, I don’t think this story would end the way it did. I wouldn’t say CTE is the sole reason as I think it was a multitude of things, but when his brain looked like this, I don’t think it can be ignored when discussing how things ended.

The episode on Tuesday, October 8th, had a nice showe scene. Even if it was brief, I found it erotic.

Call me a huge perv but I truly wanna see his cock. I'm doing some research.

That ass tho.

"Ryan has two children with his wife Dana. I saw a photo of them on Facebook. I bet the last thing he wants is this show to draw attention to their relationship."

Who's Ryan???

R203 Aaron’s childhood friend/assistant/lover

R202 Love it. At this stage, I assumed most facilities would have individual stall showers.

[quote]The motive in the second murder case that Daniel and Safiro (the Cape Verdeans who were killed) spilled a drink on Aaron and that’s caused him to kill them an hour later doesn’t make much sense to me.

Allow me to introduce myself.

The NFL has so many fucking convicts and low vibrationals 😂 it’s because so many of them are dummies to begin with and then been getting that head slammed around since they was 11.

Speaking of sports I’m currently watching the Lebron sports documentary, Starting 5, on Netflix. It’s excellent.

Aaron's brother DJ was quoted as saying he felt like Aaron changed when their dad died. Speaking of DJ. He played quarterback at UConn. He was quite possibly the worst D1 QB I have ever seen. He makes DJ Ukulele at Florida State look like Peyton Manning.

Read this book

R189 Is Ryan the same high school friend who came forward when the news broke about Aaron's sexuality? In the documentary, he was very open and unafraid to discuss details of their relationship. If he's married with kids, it seems like he/they have already dealt with it.

R210 No, that was a different guy. Ryan hasn’t spoken publicly about Aaron or the extent of their relationship and I’m pretty sure he cut ties with Aaron when he was convicted of murder.

For some reason I’m kinda addicted to listening Aaron’s jail calls. They humanize him in a way for me. It’s interesting how differently he talked to different people in his life like Shay, Ryan, the Pouncey’s, etc. He was a different person to different people.

R211 I searched the IMDB full cast listing, and there is no character named "Ryan" in the series. His high school teammate, who Aaron had a sexual relationship with, is named Dennis SanSouci. This is the same person who came forward in the documentary after Aaron's suicide. He had previously been married and in the Marines, and now identifies as queer.

So where did "Ryan" come from?

You must have missed all the Aaron Hernandez saga threads on here, R213. Otherwise you’d know about Ryan, the love of Aaron’s life.

Here’s one for you, R213. I’m the OP of the first few threads.

R213 Ryan hasn’t publicly spoken about Aaron or the extent of their relationship. He also has two children with his wife Dana and lives a private life and seems to want nothing to do with Aaron related media, so I’m guessing that’s why the show doesn’t name him as a character.

Alright, thanks. I missed all the Ryan related threads. Those are a lot of background postings to cover. As the love of Aaron's life, is there evidence to support speculation that Ryan felt similarly, Did they have an intimate relationship, or just take trips to Costa Rica together?

R217 This is just my opinion but whatever love Ryan had for Aaron, I’m guessing it was lost when Aaron was convicted of murder and he no longer benefited from associating with him. Ryan testified at Aaron’s second trial and didn’t appear friendly or express support towards Aaron on the stand. By comparison Aaron’s straight football friend Deonte Thompson shared smiles with Aaron and made a supportive gesture towards Aaron when he left the stand. Ryan didn’t attend Aaron’s funeral and has avoided speaking out about Aaron so far.

R215, interesting, in that link from several years ago people were talking about Ryan Murphy doing a show about Aaron.

[quote]I know a guy like this, he has an overbearing father, very critical and he even thought my friend was gay... when my friend was 16, his dad asked, " you getting any pussy?" Then he started to date girls ...He dates and fucks both sexes but I think he suppressed his real self due to his dad and family.

And that guy became Tom Brady, one of the most notable QBs in NFL history.

DL has horrible taste. The actor who's playing Urban Meyer is hot? He's not objectionable, but HOT? Crazy talk.

R221 Hard to explain to someone who's only taste is in their ass.

Ryan was still in Aaron's life, he visited him in jail or called him. He was the the one Aaron spoke with the most, if I remember correctly

Jose Baez defense opening statements

R223 He seemed done with Aaron by the second trial.

R221 He is kinda sexy. Like not so much his looks but the way he is playing the role. So that makes him hot to me. And he is definitely not ugly.

Is the physio/lover character supposed to be Ryan Mcdonnell?

So in that first scene last night - did Aaron take the bottom?

R228 better than taking a knee!

R227, I think so

The opening of episode 6 is VERY hot. They were so peaceful in their post-coital bliss in Cabo.

They show Aaron having sex with a random woman in a club but not with his fiance which led to her becoming pregnant lol. That’s not right.

And they take Alexander Bradley’s account of that night word for word when it was later revealed he lied about things.

Which night, R233?

R234 The night they went out to the club and Safiro and Daniel (the Cape Verdeans) ended up dead.

Yeah they didn’t even try to hide that the Cabo trip was based off Aaron’s and Ryan’s Costa Rica trip.

My bad, I forgot who Alexander was.

Aaron obviously wasn’t a saint and I can’t deny some of the jokes were funny, but idk it still left a bad taste in my mouth at how much the Patriots were mocking him at Tom Brady’s roast. Especially mocking his suicide.

R238 You're kidding, that happened? I only made it through the first 10 minutes. Should I watch the rest so I can be outraged? I know, roasts are all about being crude and pushing the limits.

R239 Yeah they kept clowning Aaron all throughout the roast. I can’t lie some jokes were funny and it’s understandable they would joke about Aaron, but it started getting old the more they kept going and it just felt weird how much they were tearing into Aaron when the roast was about Tom Brady. And we all know Aaron wasn’t a saint but it left a bad taste when multiple of the jokes were about his suicide. Hate him all you want but he still has family out there.

Cam Newton who played with Aaron at the University of Florida speaks more positively about him.

Avielle is in middle school now. I hope no one bullies or teases her about her dad.

I always found this photo of Avielle at Aaron’s second trial a few days before he killed himself heartbreaking, along with the jail calls where he talks to her as a baby.

R238 Those roasts are pretty hardcore. It’s not for the faint of heart. Years had passed since his ordeal and suicide and after all he did murder somebody.

R241 All the black NFL players who had dealings with him speak more positive or nuance than the good ol boys on the Pats who are so self righteous. That’s that Bill Belichick shit. But on the same token I kinda understand. Aaron was doing some wild shit. He murdered his friend. That shit is foul and could have tainted the entire Belichick/Brady era.

Having only seen him in press conferences I had no idea that Belichick was such a quirky guy.

R245 If the Patriots agreed to trade Aaron when he asked them or asked him tougher questions, maybe Odin Lloyd would still be alive today. I don’t think they ever thought Aaron would be involved in murder casez but it was known that Aaron was in the streets and hung around dangerous people and they didn’t seem to care as long as he was doing good for them.

cases*

R245 That’s what I meant. Most of the former Patriot players who speak about Aaron are so right righteous and full of themselves.

I notice Gronk doesn’t seem to bash Aaron publicly. He said he was pretty shaken by the whole situation and you can tell he had fond memories playing with Aaron.

What other fond memories did Aaron and Gronk make?

[quote] you can tell he had fond memories playing with Aaron

Can you? Can you tell? Way to pull shit out of your ass.

[quote]we all know Aaron wasn’t a saint but it left a bad taste when multiple of the jokes were about his suicide. Hate him all you want but he still has family out there.

Did anyone mention Robert Kraft's visits to massage parlors staffed by sex slaves?

R253 Hardly. Tom Brady got pissy when it was brought up

Of course. What a joke that was. If Kraft wanted to pay for sex, he could have found some women who weren't victims of human trafficking.

And I don't believe he didn't know - there has to be an obvious vibe of misery and hopelessness in a place like that.

R255 He liked to employ good hard workin' folks. You know, out of the goodness of his heart.

Ernest Wallace speaking out about Aaron. This never ended up releasing. Too bad because I’ve been wanting to hear from him or Carlos Ortiz.

R247, one of Belichick’s things, actually, finding talented players who had issues. He believed that he could make them disciplined and effective. Aaron seemed to fit the profile: troubled but incredibly talented and seemingly coachable. The Patriots knew that they were taking a chance, they just didn’t know how bad it was going to get.

R258 That’s why it’s unfortunate it was the Patriots took a gamble and drafted him and not another team that was much farther away, because it was so close to his hometown and old friends.

who took*

Did he really have an affair with his physio, or is this just a Ryan Murphy fan fic? I really hope it's true.

r261, it's a fictional version of his "friend" Ryan

R262 Thanks.

R261 According to the creators, he isn't based on any real-life person in particular, or even an amalgam of real people.

The actor who plays Chris Taylor looks a lot like a young, handsome Tony Danza.

are you implying young tony was not handsome?

Not at all - Danza was quite the hunky sexy guy - right through his 60s. He was especially sexy in his 30s and 40s. If only those lucky chorus boys who he called into his 'dressing room' when he starred in 'The Producers' 20 years ago would talk...

He’s played by Bobby Cannavale’s straight son

R268 For the nude scenes while Rivera was having Aaron's tattoos put on, he was having all his covered up. Although I don't get how that quite ranks as hilarious.

Very Danza-esque shot of him dropping trou at the urinal.

Canavale is only 29 ? Geez, he looks 10 years older.

I’m with the posters above who think Rivera is doing a great job, is sexy, and extremely charismatic.

Most of the men in the cast are hot. I don’t think anyone has mentioned the actor playing Sherrod, but damn, he’s sexy.

Another apparent bit of fiction, Aaron's assault on his mother's husband. Following her attack he was arrested and spent 2 years in prison.

I’m kinda over the show, but shit got real in tonight’s episode.

Comment from Lipstick Alley:

“Some of those docs also ‘conveniently’ left out KEY facts in the case. It’s like they were following the prosecutor’s notes and not discussing both sides. (Especially the ID one)

Boston PD intentionally hid eye witnesses & crucial evidence because it didn’t fit Alexander Bradley’s version of events. Eye witness testimony from the Cape Verdean’s who fled said they saw a woman in the passenger seat. The security guards who witnessed the SUV run the red light said the passenger was a woman with cornrowed braids with beads on them. The street sweeper who rolled through the crime scene was actually the first on the scene (immediately after the shooting) and told detectives he saw a woman with braids with her head sticking out of the moonroof. — Boston PD buried ALL of this! Then one of the Cape Verdean’s who was shot who survived told a member of hospital staff when asked what happened, said, “He was in a gunfight.” Not, he was shot at, he was in a gunfight. The other two fled, and one destroyed evidence. (But, why though?)

Not to mention, the fan who took a photo with Aaron in the club said he went back to his friends but watched Aaron go to the bar and said he was surprised he didn’t go to some VIP area. He watched him order drinks, then went back up to him again to thank him again for the pic. (He didn’t witness a drink spill or altercation) They also do a damn good job of breaking down how illogical it is that Aaron could reach across the SUV to hang out of the window to accurately shoot into a car.

In Bradley’s Florida shooting - a mountain of evidence shows he was not shot in the car as he said. He was shot outside. The hat he was wearing was found near a chain link fence and it had high velocity blood spatter on it (indicating he was wearing it when he was shot). A bullet (matching the one shot at Bradley) was found right next to the baseball cap near the fence. There was also high velocity spatter on the other side of the chain link fence (indicating he was shot near the fence) and the area was too small to hold an SUV. Bradley also went missing for 5 minutes after 2 independent witnesses who worked at the warehouse heard the shots. They came out looking and saw no one...went around and then saw Bradley (surprisingly alert) but no where near where he was actually shot (Could he have been hiding evidence - a gun, destroying his phone?).

Aaron’s cellphone data showed him at his hotel, no where near the shooting at the time Bradley was shot. It also confirmed that he called Bradley multiple times with no answer. (He said he was worried that something went wrong) Cell towers also show he tried to call Bradley from West Palm Beach all the way to Miami Airport.

Bradley’s lies were too elaborate and not cohesive enough to withstand a cross examination - so Baez ate him up (which he would not have been able to do, if the truth was on Bradley’s side).”

Odin Lloyd is introduced next episode.

Why did Odin even get in the car with Aaron Hernandez and his friends Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace if he knew something bad was going to happen to him that night? Based on Odin’s text messages to his sister, he knew something bad could potentially happen to him yet he still decided to hangout and get in the car with them. It’s strange.

The show downplayed how happy and excited Aaron was about Shayanna’s pregnancy and the birth of their daughter.

This show is way too long and dragged out.

With a story this wild, the show should be exciting to watch. Like the first season of The Sopranos was. But it isn’t really. The 4th episode is still the highlight for me.

I thought the last episode was really good

I’ve enjoyed this series. There are three more episodes to go and I plan to rewatch them all in a binge watch. I think Josh Andres RIvera has been remarkable in the lead role.

Agree about Josh Rivera. He's really good.

To me, Josh Andres RIvera doesn't look or act anything like Hernandez. His body is much bigger and beefier than Hernandez ever was (Hernandez was much sexier), and his face was much cuter. I live in New England, so Hernandez coverage was non-stop around here.

I have mixed feelings about Rivera. Physically he really doesn’t give Aaron at all, and even personality wise I’m not so sure he nails it, but his performance itself is good.

Aaron Hernandez was a fuggo with tiny nipples and thin lips. Did he even have an ass? I thought her was gross.

The guy who is playing him on this show is much hotter.

I think maybe the reason I don’t find the show exciting is because I’ve already consumed so much media content about this story and know how it ends. I’ve enjoyed watching the episodes but I’m also not a fan of some of the approaches they’ve taken with this story.

The gay scenes are 100% the reason Rivera was the best they could do casting wise.

This show needed an actor with a similar look to a young Jon Seda.

I know they look nothing alike, but I feel Jon Seda in I Like It Like That had a similar vibe to Aaron.

Ryan McDonnell and his wife Dana with their two children

Shayanna Jenkins and Shaneah Jenkins

Ryan McDonnell can get it!

^ He certainly got it from me!

R288 The photo shows how different the two of them look. Hernande had a very cute face (more oval) and a hot body (look at the chest and abs). Rivera has a pudgy round face and a pudgy / chubby body. Not really someone I would take a second look at in real life. However, his acting is superb and his sex scenes / undressed scenes do get me aroused. So he deserves an Emmy just for that ! LOL

I warmed up to Rivera after I got over my disappointment and unrealistic expectation that the actor would be the spitting image of Hernandez.

I love that Murphy made it so easily to shorten "American Sports Story: Aaron Hernandez" to "A.S.S.: Aaron Hernandez".

The actor playing his brother looks more like Aaron than Rivera does. Should have cast him.

Kudos to Rivera for making the gay sex scenes more realistic than what we have seen for years in gay porn. Are we sure this guy is not gay in real life ? Damn !

I'm not a football fan, not a fan of tattoos, certainly had no idea about his same-sex inclinations, but from the first time I saw Hernandez, I was an immediate fan of him. Diminished by the fact that he turned out to be a murderer. The looks, intensity, and charisma would be hard for any actor to replicate, but glad that Rivera took on the role. It's a challenge and he's doing a respectable job. From my perspective.

Good point, R298. I mean, there's no extended or super explicit sex scenes or anything. But what they do show is pretty convincing. So who is the real-life equivalent of the trainer on the show. I know he wasn't a trainer in real life.

R300 If you mean Chris the physical therapist, there are some theories here, but according to the creators of the show, he's an entirely fictional character who was created to allow for the exploration of Aaron's gay side. R264

Chris is clearly based on Ryan. The trip to Cabo was an obvious nod to Aaron’s and Ryan’s Costa Rica trip.

Aaron did travel to Cabo in real life, but with Shayanna instead. Are there any photos of Aaron’s Costa Rica trip with Ryan?

R302 Clearly.

If anyone was in Costa Rica it would have been Faye Dunaway, who was brilliant in that Marlon Brando movie!!

Odin must’ve been terrified.

Really sad episode. Odin didn’t deserve that,

The actor who played Odin was good

R308 Yeah he was good. Would’ve been nice if we could’ve seen more of him in a previous episode. This episode was my favorite after episode 4.

R307 It was a tough episode to watch even you know what's going to happen.

R310 It’s very sad to think about his last moments. He assumed he was just going to hang out with a friend that night but knew something bad could potentially happen to happen. Aaron was too far gone at that point.

could potentially happen to him*

I think this is the only photo of Aaron and Odin together.

I just rewatched the Netflix 3-part docu-series on Hernandez and found myself feeling more compassion for him. Sounds like that might change after I watch tonight's episode.

R314 I have compassion and sympathy for him while also recognizing he caused a lot of damage and ruined lives.

Excuse my ignorance, do we know the extent? Was there a Kyle?

Kyle/Kevin same thing

Only one butt last night.

The guy playing him looks like the King of Queens guy.

Rivera was giving some classic Hernandez side-eye in this episode, mean mf'er.

I really wonder how big of a factor his brain injuries played in the murder(s).

R321 as huge as his fat ass.

Saw the guy playing Aaron on Kelly Clarkson. With hair and a beard the man is FINE. IS he the gay?

R323 No :(. He’s going with that Snow White bitch.

I honestly think this Ryan Murphy production is one of his best. I gave up on Grotesquery after the twist...and was close to it even before.

The Odin murder - ugh. Hernandez is such a piece of shit. I know that would be apparent even before he killed Odin, but that was just the worst. And comforting his wife's sister (if that actually happened) - gross.

R325, I agree. It's less campy/ridiculous than most Murphy shows

So how much of this is true and how much is "dramatization." If you're doing a biopic, shouldn't you at least adhere to basic facts?

A couple of weeks ago, they showed a scene where Aaron's uncle (his mother's brother) molested him when Aaron was a boy. That was blatantly false and if the Uncle was still alive, probably would have been a good cause for a libel suit against Murphy.. Aaron was molested, but NOT by his uncle.

All biopics take liberty with the facts. All of them.

Agreed R29 and there's a lengthy disclaimer at the end of each episode explaining just that.

I could have saved him.

R329, sorry

Last night's episode, shown on October 29th showed a tasty, bare bum in a locker room scene. I played it multiple times.

Man, that was a tough episode.

In episode 6 of The Dynasty: New England Patriots, it was mentioned that Odin’s murder hit home for a lot of people.

This episode was such a downer. Odin came across as a very nice and decent man. He didn’t deserve the way his life ended so abruptly and tragically.

Stay away from pills and liquor

And the men who play for fun

That's the thought that came upon me

When we both

Reached for The Gun.

Not Bad Op!!

Fear overtook him, but Odin just needed to give Aaron a long bear hug, along with some reassuring words. Coulda worked.

I watched it. The casting, in nearly every part, was so wrong. Especially the lead. The biggest thing I got out of it was how shitty the system is to college players.

The coach would have made a better story.

Looking at R288 s post it makes the casting look almost laughable. The actor has bitch tits.

[quote] The actor has bitch tits.

He's hunched over. You should see a therapist.

The last episode is called "Who Killed Aaron Hernandez?"

Does this get into conspiracy theory shit, or are they just implying the CTE killed him? I haven't heard any claims that it wasn't suicide.

I'm thinking they are implying that the CTE was causing major depression.

He was so dreamy.

I dream of a little more forehead.

I bet he had a delicious cock.

The actress playing 'Shay' is very attractive and a very good actress. She brings a sense of elegance to her. The real 'Shay' is quite unattractive and trashy when in public.

I watched when the real Shay was on Dr. Phil a couple of years ago, R349. She was a nice looking woman, well dressed, not a lot of makeup, and spoke with a lot of poise. She did NOT come across as trashy or ghetto.

Although she was just recently denied an increase in her yearly allowance from the trust fund from which she gets 250K annually. She wanted an additional 20K for clothes for the kid and her. Now that seems trashy.

They kept saying nudity butt it never showed up Tuesday night.

A former inmate friend of Aaron’s sets the record straight on his final years in prison. Also criticizes the media.

R350 I should clarify - I was remembering her as the news was happening back in 2013, and local news crews were finding her in public and interrogating her. (I live about ten miles away from where Hernandez lived / Odin was murdered). People used to question how Hernandez was attracted to her (obviously he wasn't) as he was such a cute guy and she was so homely and trashy.

Over the years, by the time she went to Dr. Phil, she may have been taught how to act in public. She may have hired a stylist, too, with all the money she has access to these days.

By the time of the televised trials, I remember her appearing pretty good, pulled together like she knew she'd be on display, her light eyes being a focal point of her look.

People were just mad Aaron chose a black woman to be his baby mother. I thought she was nice looking.

I'd call her pretty, but not beautiful.

From the inmate video above at 55:35 talking about whether Aaron really fucked Kyle... "When double A got pulled out after he killed himself, he was naked, right, and his dick was down to his knees. This dude was trashing that kid (if AH was fucking Kyle), bro, you would have heard something."

His prison lover sho' was uglee...

🎶 When a man loves a prison bitch...... 🎶

The creators really weren’t trying to hide the fact that Chris is based on Ryan. In the last episode preview they showed Chris testifying at Aaron’s second trial, just like Ryan did.

I think The Assassination of Gianni Versace is still his best show about a gay killer.

This peaked at episode 6 or 7.

R360 It'll be interesting to see how they connect west coast Chris's ability to testify meaningfully about a Boston area double murder, Sherrod, the missing vehicle of interest. Pillow talk with Aaron perhaps?

[quote] I think The Assassination of Gianni Versace is still his best show about a gay killer.

I agree. I'm probably going to do rewatch soon. Now in the post election period, I'm ditching cable news for awhile and do rewatches of past mini-series and tv shows.

I'm laughing at the guy playing Aaron

R364 At some point you know Ryan Murphy will make good/bad on his reference in Dahmer with Monster : Killer Clown John Wayne Gacy

WIll Ryan do American Crime Story: Ed Gein with Evan Peters as Ed and Jessica Lange as Augusta?

I'm shocked that Murphy has not tackled the JonBenet Ramsey murder yet.

It happened in the mid-90s, which is the time frame he loves (OJ Simpson, Versace) and this was grisly. Wonder why he's ignoring it ?

R368, I’d be all over a JonBenet Ramsey mini-series.

[quote] WIll Ryan do American Crime Story: Ed Gein with Evan Peters as Ed and Jessica Lange as Augusta?

Ed Gein will be a season of Monster on Netflix. Charlie Hunnam has been cast as Gein with Laurie Metcalfe as Augusta.

Solid finale. The show wasn’t bad but could’ve been better. Episodes 4 and 8 were the only ones that really stood out to me.

I thought the finale was good

His brain being cut into deli slices? Gawd that was disturbing.

I know people were making fun of the actor, saying they got him off Temu. I agree he didn't look much like the real Aaron Hernandez, but the actor was killing it. He was really good. Great acting imo.

Aaron's mother was great on this show too.

I also liked the actress who played Shay

Was he hung?

I got fucked by a guy just like him in Fort Tryon Park in 1999. Was so good I didn't need another fuck for a month.

R377 And liked to show it off on the field in his commando Lycra football shorts.

There is a Jon Benet Mini Series in the works with Clive Owens and Melissa McCarthy as John and Patsy.

Why wasn't Aaron's prison lover featured more? He was just in one scene, where he gave Aaron drugs.

Wish they had featured him more

Tammy Blanchard was his mother in this? She started out on Guiding Light and was phenomenal. Her GL mother was Patti D’Arbanville. Her brother was Jesse Lee Soffer and then Vampire Diaries’ Paul Wesley. She won a Prime Time Emmy for her role as a young Judy Garland right after she left Guiding Light.

I liked Tammy as Aaron's trashy mom in this.

Aaron's mom in real life seemed to go through a trashy conversion of sorts. There's doc footage of a younger Aaron visiting the school where she worked, in which she looks like an average sort of pretty suburban mom. Before the wacky black hair. That version never made an appearance in the series.

Tammy Blanchard is a goddamned national treasure.

Tammy Blanchard should have had a bigger career.

Fuck no

She's great

Tammy did an interview with her Guiding Light costars Paul Wesley and Brittany Snow about 2 or 3 years. She’s hysterical and gives no fucks. You can tell she’s a little kooky in a good way. She should have had a bigger career. She can act.

Oh and One Tree Hill’s Bethany Lenz, Here’s the interview.

R382 Guiding Light had a lot of future young stars on the show at that time. Matt Bomer was another one. I can’t remember the others, but there were several more. To be in a Jesse Lee Soffer/ Paul Wesley sandwich!

Tammy was outstanding on Guiding Light and so beautiful. Oh her boyfriend on the show, at first, was Taye Diggs! She could’ve had a huge career. She’s so talented.

I had no idea Tammy was nominated for two Tonys and a Grammy.

What's the Venn diagram of American Sports Story viewers, Guiding Light viewers, and people who have never been on DL? Would that be the empty set?

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

R393, I’m a fan of the Aaron Hernandez Story, was a huge fan of GL, but have been on DL a bit over a year.

Exactly, so that puts you outside the intersection of the stated 3 groups. It would be hard to find the exception here since we're discussing this on DL.

Loved Guiding Light, too.