Anyone else excited for this? Could get Demi Moore her first Oscar nomination. She seems really grounded and normal in this interview with the guardian. I’m rooting for her!
She’s never been nominated for an Oscar. Wow. I thought she got one for GI Jane.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | September 14, 2024 8:34 PM |
I think she's tremendous!
by Anonymous | reply 2 | September 14, 2024 8:49 PM |
I am beyond excited for this film- this is probably the film I am most excited about this year
And she is on many of the critics at Goldderby's lists as a Best Actress contender
We know how that worked out for Toni Colette (Hereditary), but she was generally 10th or 11th at Goldderby, and these critics have Demi in the Top 5
by Anonymous | reply 3 | September 14, 2024 9:45 PM |
She's had upper blepharoplasty. Bottom half of face looks different, as well.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | September 14, 2024 9:47 PM |
Her work looks good. And she got her shit together, mental health wise. for a long while it was looking dicey.
Reportedly that douche Asston did quite the number on her. I have her book, it's on my to-read pile.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | September 15, 2024 12:37 PM |
Has she ever said if she supports Trump? I seem to recall her being right-wing just like Bruce back when they were married.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | September 15, 2024 1:52 PM |
Who would have thought there’d be a time when Demi Moore and Pamela Anderson would be considered as serious Oscar contenders?
I love it.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | September 15, 2024 2:21 PM |
R7- Me too-- I suspect Pam gets in-
by Anonymous | reply 8 | September 15, 2024 2:43 PM |
Has any actress aged better than Demi?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | September 17, 2024 7:30 PM |
R9- I mean she has had TONS of surgery- (Yes, more than Nicole) but she looks otherwordly beautiful
by Anonymous | reply 10 | September 17, 2024 8:23 PM |
[quote] Has she ever said if she supports Trump? I seem to recall her being right-wing just like Bruce back when they were married.
Would you fuck off already. Jesus.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | September 17, 2024 8:25 PM |
[quote]She's had upper blepharoplasty.
What has she *not* had?
by Anonymous | reply 12 | September 17, 2024 8:27 PM |
Everyone ought to go to her doctors. They are superb!
by Anonymous | reply 13 | September 17, 2024 8:28 PM |
All this talk about body image and her entire body and face were made in a science lab.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | September 17, 2024 8:37 PM |
R13- Agreed- other than the cheek/nabio area there (she pushed it- but stopped just in time) she looks UNREAL- stunning.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | September 17, 2024 8:42 PM |
She was very pretty to begin with and probably didn't need a lot of the surgery she had.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | September 17, 2024 8:51 PM |
No one asked for this but this film makes more sense and has more relevance than the CGI version of "Snow White".
by Anonymous | reply 17 | September 17, 2024 9:39 PM |
I think she looks different and not for the better- so weird. And the film hasn’t even been released so how can you talk Oscar?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | September 17, 2024 9:45 PM |
It was the hit of Cannes r18
by Anonymous | reply 19 | September 17, 2024 9:47 PM |
Her sucked in cheeks look ridiculous in many pics.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | September 17, 2024 9:48 PM |
[quote]Her sucked in cheeks look ridiculous in many pics
Some of that is shadow.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | September 17, 2024 10:04 PM |
Scrolling down to the pic of her in that tan camisole, it does not look like her. She looks like one of the dolls she collects.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | September 17, 2024 10:09 PM |
She looks great.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | September 17, 2024 10:12 PM |
New York Times critics pick.
But be warned: This is a very gory and often bombastic movie.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | September 20, 2024 12:39 AM |
I just got back from seeing this. I like body horror films but am certainly not an aficionado—I did love this film, though. Very stylistic and hyperreal. I never in a million years could have envisioned Demi Moore doing something like this. If you've seen Brian Yuzna's "Society" (1989), you'll get an idea of what some of film's special effects are like. It is outrageous and disgusting, but I also at times was very moved by it. It really is a story about hating yourself.
There is a brutal sequence in which the two halves of Moore's character (Moore, who at that point has been completely physically degraded to the point of looking like one of the hags in Ken Russell's "The Witches", and Qualley, her younger spawn) come face to face. Qualley beats Moore to a literal bloody pulp. The scene goes on and on and it almost made me feel sick, but it also brought a huge wave of sadness over me because it physicalized just how much this woman hated herself. I expected a lot of gruesome spectacles and nasty shit (which it delivers--trust me), but I didn't expect to be so moved.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | September 20, 2024 6:30 AM |
R19 Which is no guarantee it will be well sold in this country!
by Anonymous | reply 26 | September 20, 2024 6:40 AM |
Remember that pic (for W?) where they edited out half her waist? And she was already thin.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | September 20, 2024 6:42 AM |
[quote]R10 she looks otherwordly beautiful
I wouldn’t go THAT far…
by Anonymous | reply 28 | September 20, 2024 6:43 AM |
I don’t think I can ever feel really okay about Moore, as she was supposed to be a real meltdown of a demanding cunt around the time of STRIPTEASE. I lived in L.A. at the time, and everyone hated her.
Just a ruthlessly unpleasant person.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | September 20, 2024 6:47 AM |
[quote] It was the hit of Cannes [R18]
That doesn't automatically mean it will be well sold in this country.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | September 20, 2024 6:53 AM |
Demi's book was good. It was several years ago. Many of you hyperbolic Helen Kellers have never heard of photoshop. She doesn't look hypnotically beautiful in real life. Ashton did not destroy Demi. Demi has fought demons her entire life. She is interesting but very superficial. Demi has been a lesbian for years.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | September 20, 2024 6:54 AM |
If she's a lesbian what does that make Ashton?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | September 20, 2024 6:57 AM |
This film has across the board critical acclaim. Moore will definitely get an Oscar nomination.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | September 20, 2024 7:02 AM |
[quote] She seems really grounded and normal
She's never been either one of those.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | September 20, 2024 7:05 AM |
I thought this was a fun interview with Demi and Margaret that reveals some of their personality quirks for sure. I had no idea Demi had a massive doll collection or a collection of oversized items and miniatures. Margaret has always come off as a little quirky in interviews I've seen of hers, but genuine and sweet. She doesn't put on airs and is always polite and seems happy to be there. The world frankly needs more Margaret Qualleys and less Blake-condescending-horse-faced-cunt-Livelys.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | September 20, 2024 7:37 AM |
Demi was hetero but now she's had a girlfriend for years. I guess I shouldn't say lesbian, rather, bi.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | September 20, 2024 7:42 AM |
I really like Qually and it would be the reason I'd see this movie.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | September 20, 2024 7:43 AM |
Demi keeps giving the same spiel about the meaning of the film like Faye Dunaway gave during the press junket she did for Mommie Dearest (“Only his knows what really happened between those two souls.”)
by Anonymous | reply 39 | September 20, 2024 8:02 AM |
A lesbian.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | September 20, 2024 1:42 PM |
I’ve booked to see it this weekend. Going to go to the evening show on Sunday as that audience always seems to be the best for this kind of thing.
Going to try to keep my eyes and ears open throughout but this just sounds like the most interesting film to emerge from this year’s Cannes and fall film festivals. By far.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | September 20, 2024 2:30 PM |
Fun fact: Margaret’s mom dated Dennis Quaid in the early 2000s.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | September 20, 2024 3:28 PM |
It’s an interesting film but also a bit silly in execution. The first half is softcore porn and the second half is body horror. My theater laughed A LOT during that final act, especially when the monster was born.
Demi is great but goes full camp once Elisabeth’s beauty is drained because Sue takes a few extra days (not when her finger ages but when half her body ages). That scene where Elisabeth is cooking tons of dishes while Sue’s interview airs on tv was really ridiculous and Demi was pretty cringy.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | September 21, 2024 11:49 PM |
I don't think Demi will be nominated. It would take a track record of "She should have been nominated for XYZ" and that doesn't exist IMO. I'm guessing she's never come close in the nomination process. The opposite was true of Emily Blunt and Jennifer Jason Leigh, who were probably 6th place a few times. Or, in the case of JLC, in a hugely loved film that got nominations across the board and won Best Picture.
I say this as a Demi fan. Maybe she was on the cusp for A Few Good Men and GI Jane?
by Anonymous | reply 45 | September 22, 2024 12:24 AM |
JLC won as a career Oscar. Demi COULD get a nomination as a thank you for her being a big star in the 90s but her fame stayed there pretty much. By choice mostly, as she stepped back from acting in the 00s onwards. She ended up becoming more a celeb than an actress once she married Ashton.
Jennifer Jason Leigh has been nominated for two Oscars.
The Hateful Eight wasn’t a horror either. Neither was EEAAO. One was one of Tarantino’s western tales and the latter was a sci-fi flick.
The film as a whole will be mostly ignored by Oscar. They rarely acknowledge horror, if ever, yet alone a hip body horror story that had very little dialogue and where half the film is softcore porn, with tons of gratuitous body shots from both Demi and Margaret, but mostly the latter.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | September 22, 2024 12:34 AM |
The film looks like an homage to other horror films including THE SHINING, (men's bathroom scene, Kubrick used a red bathroom in the shining to chilling affect), CARRIE, (the ending) and another film I can't place.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | September 22, 2024 12:51 AM |
Nothing about this film is like The Shining.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | September 22, 2024 1:08 AM |
The mens bathroom scenes are similar
by Anonymous | reply 49 | September 22, 2024 1:09 AM |
There was ONE mens bathroom scene. A woman going into the bathroom and overhearing her boss talking shit about her on the phone was like The Shining?
by Anonymous | reply 50 | September 22, 2024 1:10 AM |
The red mens room scenes stood out for me in both films. if you don't see a similarity, this is not worth arguing with you about. You're unnaturally touchy about an inconsequential topic.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | September 22, 2024 1:16 AM |
While I wasn’t grossed out by it (it’s a horror movie, folks), a large segment of the film played more like a long, highly stylized music video rather than a narrative- driven feature film. There wasn’t much ‘substance’. Old white men prey on and are obsessed with young white women. We all know this. Women obsess with maintaining their youthful glow, especially in Hollywood. We know this. The movie had NOTHING to say about facts we know. It just was an exercise in stylized horror. The acting as across the board average.
I cannot comprehend how this film won ‘ Best Screenplay’ at Cannes. There is practically no dialogue in this film, and what’s there is hardly award-worthy.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | September 22, 2024 1:23 AM |
R51 there was ONE mens room scene in this
by Anonymous | reply 53 | September 22, 2024 1:23 AM |
The bathrooms at the TV studio were all very reminiscent of the famous men's room scene in "The Shining". The hallway and carpeting is also a blatantly obvious nod, as is the hallway being drenched in a torrent of blood at the end.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | September 22, 2024 1:55 AM |
I was shocked by the extent of prosthetics and monster makeup that both Demi and Margaret had to don in this movie. I didn't envision it going that far. It is very much redolent of what you see in "Society" (1989).
In addition to donning that grotesque monster suit for the finale, Margaret also had to wear prosthetic tits throughout the movie so that she'd have the "rack of a lifetime" (her words).
by Anonymous | reply 55 | September 22, 2024 2:03 AM |
R54 the hallway? That isn’t the bathroom. The bathroom is seen ONCE and it isn’t red. It’s white.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | September 22, 2024 2:45 AM |
Margaret shows her tits in this and yes her tits are amazing and perky and small. She wore something under her shirts to make them look bigger and even perkier.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | September 22, 2024 2:46 AM |
Dennis Quaid give the best performance in the film.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | September 22, 2024 2:47 AM |
I don't know whether Demi Moore will get an Oscar nomination, but whoever that actress is starring in The Substance might have a shot.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | September 22, 2024 2:55 AM |
R56 you must be acting pedantic just for the sake of trolling here. Yes, the bathroom is white, but the stalls are bright red, and the framing/layout is very similar to the bathroom set in The Shining. Anyone with two eyes and a functioning cerebral cortex could recognize the similarity. The fact that the carpet in the hallway just outside that bathroom resembles the famous carpet pattern seen in The Shining would suggest the director knows/admires that movie, therefore any other similar visual motifs (i.e. the bathroom layout and choice of red stalls) are not a coincidence.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | September 22, 2024 3:21 AM |
Her surgery looks pretty good but only because we’ve all been conditioned by the monstrosities of Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman and the rest. Compared to those it’s great. But it still looks fake
by Anonymous | reply 61 | September 22, 2024 3:33 AM |
[quote] Has she ever said if she supports Trump
Oh FFS.
Why would Demi Moore support Trump?
by Anonymous | reply 62 | September 22, 2024 3:36 AM |
Hagsplotation is back!! I saw it last night and laughed so hard!
by Anonymous | reply 63 | September 22, 2024 4:04 AM |
This should have been Madonna’s comeback vehicle.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | September 22, 2024 7:12 AM |
r56 I think that poster might be brain damaged or something, I got zero The Shining vibes from that pretty generic-looking bathroom. And yes, there was only one short scene in it, I don't know why he's fixating on it so much.
It's the hallways that seem like they're from The Shining.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | September 22, 2024 10:34 AM |
[quote]That scene where Elisabeth is cooking tons of dishes while Sue’s interview airs on tv was really ridiculous and Demi was pretty cringy.
I agree, that whole segment was painful to watch. Demi is most certainly not a comedic actress, let's just put it that way.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | September 22, 2024 10:35 AM |
This film has many similarities with Au hasard Balthazar and Goldfinger.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | September 22, 2024 1:11 PM |
The Elephant Man, David Lynch's version is another reference..
by Anonymous | reply 68 | September 22, 2024 1:24 PM |
Did the unknown Demi appear in Hustler magazine… or was it Oui?
by Anonymous | reply 69 | September 22, 2024 1:27 PM |
Quaid was so happy to have a job. He's on the outs after aligning himself with maga.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | September 22, 2024 1:36 PM |
Enjoyed watching her being interviewed on CBS Sunday Morning
by Anonymous | reply 71 | September 22, 2024 4:34 PM |
Oui, I believe.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | September 22, 2024 4:40 PM |
Margaret has a really goofy personality which is clear from the video at R36. She really vamped it up for her role in this movie, but it's obvious that she couldn't be more different in real life. I think she's beautiful but my inkling is that most boring hetero males would not classify her as attractive.
by Anonymous | reply 73 | September 22, 2024 4:56 PM |
Demi is older and more attractive than Margaret, who is certainly pretty, but kinda basic. She resembles hot dad Paul more than mama Andie.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | September 22, 2024 7:14 PM |
[quote]R73 Margaret has a really goofy personality which is clear from the video
I think she was raised on a rural, clothing optional (seriously) farm in N. Carolina. Her mom is kind of dippy.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | September 22, 2024 7:45 PM |
Wikipedia says she was a debutante, so that would be an odd combination.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | September 22, 2024 9:14 PM |
Let’s say “debutante” does not mean what it once did.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | September 22, 2024 9:57 PM |
It’s kind of a shame that this goes so far off the rails and the writer/director completely loses control of the film in the last 20 minutes. I thought the first two hours were an absolute masterpiece.
But once you start so obviously referencing THE SHINING, THE THING and CARRIE all at once, it was really time to reign in it. Tim Bevan at Working Title is quite an experienced film producer. I’m surprised they weren’t able to convince the writer/director to show some restraint. The only thing it achieved in the end was very quickly convincing the audience not to take this film at all seriously.
It owes a lot to Aronofsky’s REQUIEM FOR A DREAM as well.
I thought Demi was great. As much as Notting Hill needed Julia Roberts, The Substance needed an actress of Moore’s stature to work. (I do wonder if this was offered to Madonna, as she, of course, is living it. Madonna probably said she wanted to play both Elisabeth AND Sue.) I thought Moore’s participation was quite canny of her because, for a while, it seemed like this could be a cult film favourite for the ages, a career topper that would lead future generations back to some of her biggest hits in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Unfortunately, given writer/director Coralie Fargeat’s determination to demolish her film - the end sequence really is the equivalent of a punk band destroying their instruments and equipment - I think if this film has any legacy at all it will be as a cinematic curio rather than a masterpiece on par with Cronenberg’s best work.
For those going on about the lack of dialogue in the screenplay, film is a visual medium. The Substance communicated a lot through its concept, action, imagery; the way the actresses treated each other, etc. Lack of dialogue was not the problem. Lack of restraint was.
I also don’t get the “soft porn” comments; obviously some people don’t see many films or understand “the gaze” of the camera. Just because there is nudity, it doesn’t make something porn. Fargeat was daring anybody to find the film at all erotic and the depiction of the network executive and the neighbour made it clear what she thought of that kind of attention and objectification of women. Even the two men Sue brought home were completely gormless and stupid; there was nothing erotic about her pursuits; she wasn’t even in pursuit of pleasure, she was seeking possession and an ego boost. The film’s point of view was pretty clear; Sue herself was a one-dimensional doll-like object rendered in pink and flesh tones. She was a blow up doll. I suppose the film was as critical of some women’s aspirations - ultimately diminishing themselves for men and the masses - as it was of men objectifying and hating women, especially mature women.
I felt a lot of empathy for Elisabeth and felt like the film had come to a full circle resolution once she decided to terminate the experience. I felt like it was sufficiently provocative and gave audiences a lot to think about up to that point. Everything that came after was just overkill, completely unfocused and was detrimental to the film. It just made everybody involved look like fools.
There was something about the relationship between Elisabeth and Sue - as two halves of a whole - that needed more attention. Elisabeth seemed quite accomplished at the film’s start, quite confident. I suppose, if anything, it was mostly a parable but she seemed quite warm and kind, and seemed to be helping women, generally. I didn’t see any of the appetites in her that Sue depicted later in the film. (And I LOVED the “Demi Cooking” scene and thought she was great. I imagine the Cannes audience must’ve been roaring with laughter throughout that sequence.) See a screenplay can be about ideas as well and this film certainly had a lot of them that were illustrated through imagery and action.
(cont.)
by Anonymous | reply 78 | September 22, 2024 10:22 PM |
Maybe The Substance will be one of those films that you see once but think about forever. I still think it’s quite sad what Elisabeth did to herself when she was so accomplished before she took the substance. Ironically, I think just viewing this film has aged me. I’ve already caught sight of myself in the mirror a few times and I do not see myself the same way I did before I saw the film. I used to see my younger self. Now I just look old.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | September 22, 2024 10:22 PM |
As for Oscars, there’s definitely a possibility if not a win for Hair & Makeup.
If the narrative were more restrained, I would’ve thought Best Actress and Best Original Screenplay might’ve been possibilities. For those who remember Demi from the ‘90s and the Vanity Fair cover when she was pregnant, there is something so powerful about watching her assess herself nude in the mirror and it really made me think that there’d always been a kind of intelligence and daring in her work that led up to this moment. Unfortunately, that’s kind of squelched out by the film’s end but it certainly felt like there could be a viable awards narrative there. But no more.
I do think the LAFC will give her Best Actress though. She might get a GG nomination as well. She is the film. Without her participation, the film wouldn’t have any substance at all. She’s as good as Goldblum was in The Fly, in terms of asserting and maintaining a personality under all those prosthetics and stuff. But probably not an Oscar nom, certainly not after the way MUBI has fucked up the release.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | September 22, 2024 10:30 PM |
I enjoyed Glenn’s cameo in the third act - maybe she’ll finally get her Oscar?
by Anonymous | reply 81 | September 23, 2024 2:43 PM |
The more I read on DL about this movie, the less I want to see it.
Besides, I hate her plastic surgery. If I hadn't read/heard that was Demi Moore, I wouldn't have believed it.
Maybe she has a double...
by Anonymous | reply 82 | September 23, 2024 2:54 PM |
One of the best movies of the year—it builds and builds to a wild climax. Definitely see it in a theater if you can.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | September 23, 2024 2:58 PM |
If you’re uncertain, R82, I would avoid it. It would just be a grating experience for you.
There’s a lot to appreciate about it but if what you’ve heard makes you want to know less, it’s probably not for you.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | September 23, 2024 3:42 PM |
Saw it over the weekend and LOVED it. All three main actors gave bravura performances. Demi straddled the line of drama and comedy so impressively, Margaret was radiantly bitchy and Quaid was disgustingly over the top (in a good way). A+ rating for sure. I really want to check out Fargeat’s “Revenge” now.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | September 23, 2024 8:48 PM |
Is this a film it’s okay to bring my 8- year-old daughter to?
by Anonymous | reply 86 | September 24, 2024 3:35 AM |
No..
by Anonymous | reply 87 | September 24, 2024 3:46 AM |
Of course r86!
by Anonymous | reply 88 | September 24, 2024 3:55 AM |
I liked this film much better when it was funny and called [italic]Death Becomes Her.[/italic]
by Anonymous | reply 89 | September 24, 2024 3:56 AM |
If you want to scar your 8 year old for life, take her!
by Anonymous | reply 90 | September 24, 2024 4:06 AM |
Her sunken in cheeks work doesn't become her.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | September 24, 2024 5:29 AM |
Plastics.
by Anonymous | reply 92 | September 24, 2024 5:32 AM |
[quote]r91 Her sunken in cheeks work doesn't become her.
Dr. Gary would like a word.
by Anonymous | reply 93 | September 24, 2024 5:37 AM |
My favorite film of 2024 so far. I left the theater walking to my car giddy and laughing to myself. What a wild ride
by Anonymous | reply 94 | September 24, 2024 1:54 PM |
I saw this movie this past Sunday . My first impression is this was a modern rendering of the plot line of Wasp Woman starring Susan Cabot. The old story line vanity/narcissism=death. It turned out to be much more intense and much more psychological. Demi was cast perfectly for this movie. It's been a while since a plot line has kept my attention throughout an entire 2 hour movie. Plotline spoke to fear of aging, misogyny in the Hollywood culture. I highly recommend this movie. However if you are squeamish just be warned the last 30 minutes of the film are rather intense from a "gore "perspective. She deserves an Oscar for her portrayal.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | September 24, 2024 2:11 PM |
A lot of people, in other places, seem to automatically overlook the fact that in the film, Elisabeth Sparkle is turned onto “the substance” by a man. And though it isn’t specified, that young man looks very much like an Eastern European special the likes of which Kevin Spacey could never resist and is sort of coded as gay (he’s definitely wearing make up). Elisabeth meets his primary being, possibly an elder gay man, later in a cafe.
Dennis Quaid, who IRL is 70 and on screen, arguably looks about 70, but even if we give him the benefit of the doubt and say, like Moore (and a lot of actors), he’s playing 10 years younger and his character is 60, we never hear him voice concern about age at all.
So it could be read that there’s an entire gay male culture that is also taking the substance - and that is certainly a film I’d like to see.
I mention it because, while there’s a lot of discourse about external forces being the cause of the characters insecurities and extreme anxieties about age and beauty, Fargeat seems to be saying that, at their core, these myths become self-perpetuating, I guess like any internalised phobia or hate. You don’t have to look very far on this board (how tall can a bottom be?) to see that gay men, like Elisabeth in the film, perpetuate their own insecurities and self-hatred.
It’s such an incisive little inclusion in the film to meet that old man and having already encountered his pretty boy toy DNA double, to imagine what his life once was. I would imagine the middle of his life was very rough.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | September 24, 2024 4:49 PM |
[quote] I don't know whether Demi Moore will get an Oscar nomination, but whoever that actress is starring in The Substance might have a shot.
That’s Demi Moore, hon.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | September 24, 2024 7:34 PM |
Who plays that dishy doctor/nurse that gets her hooked on ‘the substance’?
by Anonymous | reply 98 | September 24, 2024 11:08 PM |
A little known actor named Robin Greer. Made up to be very pretty in the movie.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | September 24, 2024 11:11 PM |
R25, are there worms, maggots, or other wriggly writh-y things in it?
If not, I'll watch when it comes to one of my streamers.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | September 24, 2024 11:23 PM |
[quote][R25], are there worms, maggots, or other wriggly writh-y things in it?
No, r100...much worse.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | September 25, 2024 2:10 AM |
Mmmmmm, I'm gon' say that ain't possible, R101.
The Documenting Reality website doesn't even faze me, but anything vermiform activates something truly atavistic in me that decades of therapy have never been able touch.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | September 25, 2024 2:39 AM |
R100, it’s like The Fly and The Thing, drenched in blood.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | September 25, 2024 6:17 AM |
Did the hot doctor at the hospital who turned her onto “the substance” have AIDS? Or was that purplish mark on his hand supposed to be a birthmark. I thought it looked like KS. I think that character was definitely supposed to be gay (including the elder-queen version of him Elizabeth encountering the diner).
by Anonymous | reply 105 | September 25, 2024 12:25 PM |
R105, Demi’s character has the same mark.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | September 25, 2024 12:33 PM |
R106, not exactly. Elizabeth had a grouping of three brown moles that Sue also had (albeit on a different part of her body). The gay doctor/elderqueen had a purplish birthmark (or Kapoai sarcoma?) on his hand.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | September 25, 2024 1:01 PM |
OMG. Give Demi Moore an Oscar!
by Anonymous | reply 108 | September 27, 2024 1:57 AM |
They'll have to nominate her, r108, but will she win?I don't think I've seen an actress so fearless in a role...maybe Bette in Baby Jane. I watched this and it looks a bit...boring...sorry Angelina.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | September 27, 2024 5:42 AM |
R46 JJL has only been Oscar nominated once.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | September 27, 2024 6:11 AM |
This is easily the best movie I've seen this year. I think some people felt it went too far in the last act, but I applaud the gall the writer/director had. Everybody here went all in and committed to everything. While there's commentary on female beauty standards for sure, the base of the story is universally human. It is a story about self-loathing and how we pay the price for hating and abusing ourselves. Anyone can relate to this. I too found it strangely moving.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | September 27, 2024 6:17 AM |
Yes, r111, how we kick ourselves...and kick and kick...
by Anonymous | reply 112 | September 27, 2024 6:21 AM |
It’s been 5 days since I’ve seen it and I feel like I might go again this weekend. It really stays with you.
I was concerned that the final 20 minutes kind of eclipses the rest of it but I’m still thinking about the whole thing. The ending might be even more funny the 2nd time around because it really is unhinged. It would’ve been funny if the Monstro waded out into the studio audience and tried to kiss Dennis Quaid. lol
by Anonymous | reply 113 | September 27, 2024 11:12 AM |
Your reviews here have given me a 756 inch movie boner!!!!
Shit- I KNEW that this was THE film of 2024...
by Anonymous | reply 114 | September 27, 2024 1:12 PM |
I’m definitely going to see it again tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | September 27, 2024 2:47 PM |
I’m seeing it tomorrow
by Anonymous | reply 116 | September 27, 2024 8:08 PM |
Just saw it again. It's an amazing movie. Other people in the theater were very vocal in their reactions to the last fifteen minutes. It's a wild ride. Not to be a spoiler, but I felt such pathos for the "third version" of the character toward the end.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | September 28, 2024 10:29 PM |
[quote]but I felt such pathos for the "third version" of the character toward the end.
I think you're supposed to, r117. After all, she didn't ask to be "born".
by Anonymous | reply 118 | September 28, 2024 10:32 PM |
^Exactly.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | September 28, 2024 10:41 PM |
It's too disturbing to be enjoyed
by Anonymous | reply 120 | September 28, 2024 10:45 PM |
It's being called a Body Horror film. No thanks.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | September 28, 2024 11:51 PM |
That description is accurate. It ain't a feel good experience
by Anonymous | reply 122 | September 28, 2024 11:54 PM |
It takes you on a roller coaster of disgust, anxiety, fear, laughter and pathos.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | September 29, 2024 2:00 AM |
I loved it but it was a lot more gory than I expected. I’d say it was gorier than Terrifier 2 but there was a point to it.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | September 29, 2024 3:46 AM |
I want Elizabeth Spankle’s apartment. It’s a cross between the 70s and the future.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | September 29, 2024 3:55 AM |
I can’t wait to buy this film. I hope he doesn’t take long to at least come to streaming. I wonder if Demi will become a future scream queen. She had a tv series coming up. Her photoshoot for Interview magazine is wild.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | September 29, 2024 3:56 AM |
I wanted to do this, but Gary talked me out of it.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | September 29, 2024 3:59 AM |
The New York Times articles now have moving images for the top image. Same as for the interview with Natasha Lyonne.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | September 29, 2024 3:59 AM |
[quote]I loved it but it was a lot more gory than I expected. I’d say it was gorier than Terrifier 2 but there was a point to it.
Yes, r124, but will the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences see it that way?
by Anonymous | reply 130 | September 29, 2024 3:59 AM |
[quote]I wonder if Demi will become a future scream queen
I hope she has more varied opportunities, r127. I'd like to think that this film transcends the genre. Actresses of this age deserve better than the actresses of yore got. Hags!
by Anonymous | reply 131 | September 29, 2024 4:07 AM |
[QUOTE]Demi Moore Is Done With the Male Gaze
I read her Guardian interview and I understand the point of the film. But is the headline subtly out her, too?
by Anonymous | reply 132 | September 29, 2024 4:16 AM |
^outing
by Anonymous | reply 133 | September 29, 2024 4:30 AM |
I could see Demi being a big ol lez. She has always had dykey truck driver energy.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | September 29, 2024 4:37 AM |
Demi is a hardscrabbke girl. They all have butch energy.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | September 29, 2024 6:04 AM |
Hardscrabble
by Anonymous | reply 136 | September 29, 2024 6:04 AM |
It’s not credible that Moore is done with the male gaze while she’s had lots of visible surgery on her face, is acting even now in a movie in which she’s naked or barely clothed a lot of the time, is pictured in a revealing leotard, and is obsessing about how her butt looks. Why didn’t she instead do a movie that has nothing to do with her body or looks, but is about something substantive instead?
Contrast - Frances McDormand has made (and is still making) a brilliant career in roles that don’t pander an ounce to looks or sexiness. One can’t take one’s eyes off McDormand, she’s such a compelling actor, and one can’t forget her movies or her roles. In my opinion, McDormand is the true role model for women in film.
British TV & film feature women and men of all ages, types of looks and bodies and builds, and races. We see their wrinkles, crooked teeth and love handles. This is also true of TV/cinema in several European countries. It’s actually a relief to watch normal-looking people so we can focus on the story and the acting.
by Anonymous | reply 137 | September 29, 2024 6:26 AM |
Genius alert at R137
by Anonymous | reply 138 | September 29, 2024 12:53 PM |
[quote]but is about something substantive instead?
You haven't seen The Substance, have you, r137?
by Anonymous | reply 139 | September 29, 2024 3:21 PM |
Massive eyeroll at R137. And we can all tell you haven’t actually seen The Substance.
by Anonymous | reply 140 | September 29, 2024 3:32 PM |
The whole post is actually giving FRAU also.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | September 29, 2024 3:32 PM |
It totally deserves Oscar noms for Demi, screenplay and the special effects.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | September 29, 2024 4:37 PM |
At Goldderby, despite the film having very weak notices from that festival- they all have Amy Adams in the Top 5 for Nightbitch- I do not see this happening once the film releases--- Demi was only in 2 lists the other day, and is now in 4 or so-- They have around 16 critics over there. I hope that she makes it, as well as Pam Andersen- if that film releases in time
by Anonymous | reply 143 | September 29, 2024 4:52 PM |
Pamela Anderson is not going to be nominated for an Oscar. While the film is an obvious departure for her and the “Oscar hopeful” line helps with promotion, the real word out of Toronto was the film looks cheap and the script really wasn’t very good. There’s probably an audience for it but it’s not really an awards worthy film.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | September 29, 2024 6:08 PM |
Sounds like this Mikey Madison chick i. a real frontrunner for Anora-
by Anonymous | reply 145 | September 29, 2024 6:32 PM |
Jennifer Connelly could have played this lead too. I really wish she would be utilised better since her Oscar win ages ago.
This is Demi’s version of Seconds - the old Rock Hudson movie
by Anonymous | reply 146 | September 29, 2024 7:42 PM |
It was shot in France and a film reviewer I listen to regularly noted that the stalls in the bathroom were French because the doors went all the way down to the floor, which isn't a thing in the US.
by Anonymous | reply 147 | September 29, 2024 8:04 PM |
Demi said in an interview that she's often mistaken for either Jennifer Connelly or Courtney Cox.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | September 29, 2024 8:05 PM |
It's amazing how they got France to look like LA. The scenes of Demi and Margaret walking along the sun-soaked, palm tree-lines streets look just like LA.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | September 29, 2024 8:12 PM |
*lined streets.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | September 29, 2024 8:13 PM |
The stitches around/under her areola look hideous. However ... they are better than others I have seen before. The amount of money she has spent on cosmetic surgeries has to be nothing less than shocking. What an ego, WOW.
by Anonymous | reply 151 | September 29, 2024 8:15 PM |
Ray Liotta was supposed to be in this but he, like, died.
by Anonymous | reply 152 | September 29, 2024 8:17 PM |
Ray would have been equally amazing in the role. He was the type of actor who was born to play sleazebags. Plus, the amount of work he had done to his own face would have ironically lent itself to the film and the part.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | September 29, 2024 8:39 PM |
Someone I know saw the movie and hated it. She said the whole movie made her feel anxious and nauseated that another human would present a view on an obviously mentally ill individual as some kind of normal way of being.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | September 29, 2024 8:46 PM |
R154 that’s what films should do. Provoke feeling and thought.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | September 29, 2024 8:56 PM |
It’s not presented as a normal way of being. Elisabeth Sparkle is simply a deeply insecure woman who is willing to go to extreme lengths to be young and “beautiful” again.
by Anonymous | reply 156 | September 29, 2024 8:58 PM |
I hate to tell you this but It is pure shit and will be forgotten by next Friday.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | September 29, 2024 9:02 PM |
[quote]I hate to tell you this but It is pure shit and will be forgotten by next Friday.
I hate to tell you this, r157, but...no.
by Anonymous | reply 158 | September 29, 2024 10:21 PM |
[quote]made her feel anxious and nauseated that another human would present a view on an obviously mentally ill individual as some kind of normal way of being.
I don't know what she saw, r154, but it wasn't The Substance.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | September 29, 2024 10:24 PM |
I got the impression Sparkle was seduced in a moment of weakness by a predatory type who saw her break down crying in the Dr's examination room. Elizabeth resisted then got drunk (alone) on her birthday. Drunk, lonely and depressed on her birthday, she called the dealer.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | September 29, 2024 10:30 PM |
The Substance cost Elizabeth and ultimately her surrogate a lot. But the price is never discussed.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | September 29, 2024 10:32 PM |
EliSabeth!!!!
by Anonymous | reply 162 | September 29, 2024 10:34 PM |
I love how present-day Elisabeth keeps checking for the 7 days as herself to be over so younger her can go have fun. It’s so tragic.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | September 29, 2024 10:36 PM |
I wonder if Demi had concerns about the thematic overlap with “Death Becomes Her” considering Bruce was in DBH.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | September 29, 2024 10:44 PM |
[quote]R152 Ray Liotta was supposed to be in this but he, like, died.
Untrue.
Gary talked him out of it.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | September 29, 2024 10:46 PM |
This doesn’t normalise insecurity at all.
The sequence I keep returning to is when she’s getting ready for her date. I think it hits so hard because it’s that moment in the film where you feel like, this could be me. And also, it’s shocking, how low her self-esteem is - but given the comparison she’s now making to her younger, synthetic self, completely understandable.
The entire texture of the film is so rich with meaning and implication.
by Anonymous | reply 166 | September 29, 2024 10:49 PM |
It’s so sad when ElisaSue Monstro says “It’s me! It’s Elisabeth! It’s Sue!” Naturally, we’re appalled as viewers because of the way it looks, but the whole thing is just so tragic.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | September 29, 2024 10:53 PM |
It says I AM NOT A MONSTER, just like the Elephant Man
by Anonymous | reply 168 | September 29, 2024 10:54 PM |
I’m reminded of the Proust quote, “Let us leave pretty women to men with no imagination." This explains my lifelong hot crush on Salome Jens.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | September 30, 2024 12:44 AM |
It should be said that Elisabeth isn’t a victim, not someone you root for. She’s a victim of her own narcissism and lack of self-worth. A lot of films would keep beating the drum about the dreaded man or patriarchy making her feel shame but in the end it’s clear that it’s her. She values nothing but her looks. She has no family and no friends. It was all about her job and her ego. Unfortunately that’s how most people are living their lives today.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | September 30, 2024 12:51 AM |
[quote]Nothing about this film is like The Shining.
Long-ass blood-red hallway with graphic carpet? Like, hellloooo.
Big nod to "Carrie" as well.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | September 30, 2024 12:59 AM |
The shadow on her face while on the phone is an homage to another film too.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | September 30, 2024 1:02 AM |
What film?
Mary Poppins, Rose!
by Anonymous | reply 174 | September 30, 2024 1:03 AM |
R172 that account is deliberately obtuse and contrarian
by Anonymous | reply 175 | September 30, 2024 1:36 AM |
[quote] British TV & film feature women and men of all ages, types of looks and bodies and builds, and races. We see their wrinkles, crooked teeth and love handles.
That’s why I love Midsomer Murders.
by Anonymous | reply 176 | September 30, 2024 1:37 AM |
I'm not going to root for Sparkle. I emphasize with her. She got herself in real trouble hating herself and using a substance to add meaning to her empty life.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | September 30, 2024 1:38 AM |
[quote]r177 = I emphasize with her
What do the two of you emphasize?
by Anonymous | reply 178 | September 30, 2024 1:45 AM |
Empathize. Cunt
by Anonymous | reply 179 | September 30, 2024 1:48 AM |
We share in your emphasis, R179.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | September 30, 2024 2:54 AM |
Where is the proof of this alleged lesbianing?
by Anonymous | reply 181 | September 30, 2024 3:06 AM |
Moore's rumored partner, stylist Masha Mandzuka
by Anonymous | reply 182 | September 30, 2024 3:30 AM |
Lezzies like bush, hence why Demi sports one now.
by Anonymous | reply 183 | September 30, 2024 9:57 AM |
Bush hides canyon gash.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | October 1, 2024 2:01 AM |
Reports are that people are throwing up and walking out of screenings!
by Anonymous | reply 185 | October 2, 2024 1:13 AM |
Really? Is it that gory?
by Anonymous | reply 186 | October 2, 2024 2:11 AM |
It’s maybe the goriest film I’ve ever seen. Gorier than Terrifier 2
by Anonymous | reply 187 | October 2, 2024 2:39 AM |
R187-- are you fucking kidding me?? Gorier than Terrifier 2????? THE BEDROOM SCENE??
by Anonymous | reply 188 | October 2, 2024 2:40 AM |
I thought it was
by Anonymous | reply 189 | October 2, 2024 2:42 AM |
Well holy shit. I have not seen this film yet-
by Anonymous | reply 190 | October 2, 2024 2:44 AM |
^See it!
by Anonymous | reply 191 | October 2, 2024 2:45 AM |
I'm scared.
by Anonymous | reply 192 | October 2, 2024 3:49 AM |
^Be brave.
by Anonymous | reply 193 | October 2, 2024 10:31 AM |
[quote] are you fucking kidding me?? Gorier than Terrifier 2????? THE BEDROOM SCENE??
Oh, hell yes!
by Anonymous | reply 194 | October 2, 2024 1:46 PM |
R32 BEAST!? How dare you!
by Anonymous | reply 195 | October 4, 2024 12:27 AM |
Someone has triggered Eileen Davidson R195 and I don't know why or if she is even in the correct thread.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | October 4, 2024 12:31 AM |
Sub.
Stance.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | October 4, 2024 12:37 AM |
I'm thinking of going again (third time). It's that good.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | October 4, 2024 5:48 AM |
My date wouldn’t let me drive him home after The Substance because we haven’t been seeing each other long enough for him to throw up in front of me. He literally just walked home in the rain to vomit with dignity.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | October 4, 2024 6:03 AM |
Some of you guys are too squeamish. It's just a movie.
by Anonymous | reply 200 | October 4, 2024 6:17 AM |
R198 is killing me. This film is so good that this bitch keeps going back for more!!!
(I was in love with this film when I saw the trailer) I am planning to watch at Christmastime to get me in the spirit! :)
by Anonymous | reply 201 | October 4, 2024 5:23 PM |
I was once in a band called “Vomit with Dignity.”
by Anonymous | reply 202 | October 5, 2024 1:43 AM |
Hold my hair, r202.
by Anonymous | reply 203 | October 5, 2024 1:46 AM |
If people walked out of our screening as far as I’m concerned we don’t have enough movies where that might happen.
by Anonymous | reply 204 | October 5, 2024 6:00 AM |
I don't know if I can wait. Terrifier 3 and The Substance are my "Wait until Christmas" films- I do this every year. And my binge series I have never seen will be The Bear- Babygirl looks like a great Christmas film too-
Strange Darling is my Thanksgiving film. (This one sounds amazing)
And I am watching Longlegs for Halloween-
by Anonymous | reply 205 | October 5, 2024 12:41 PM |
Fargeat always knew her movie would end with a monster — a “Picasso of male expectations,” as she calls it. The rejection that motivates Elisabeth to consume the Substance also fosters Sue’s addiction to remaining young, which is why Sue defies the mandate to switch bodies with Elisabeth every seven days. Elisasue is the product of minds and bodies stalked by external valuations.
Like many great movie monsters, Elisasue wants only to be loved. Fargeat drew inspiration from The Elephant Man, David Lynch’s 1980 tragedy about a deformed 19th-century Englishman who is treated as a freak-show spectacle until a sympathetic doctor takes him in. “He’s monstrous, but you want to hug him,” Fargeat says, and the same applies to Elisasue.
Fargeat made mood boards featuring stills from Lynch’s movie as well as various human-animal sculptures she found online and the work of Colombian artist Fernando Botero, whose sculptures often feature women with exaggerated proportions. In her eyes, Elisasue is to The Substance what Quasimodo is to Victor Hugo’s The Hunchback of Notre-Dame
by Anonymous | reply 206 | October 8, 2024 12:12 AM |