** Presidential Debate Thread **

I plan to start watching it, but if the moderators allow Dump to bully and steamroll Harris, I'll turn it off and follow via DL.

Where’s is streaming,

I might listen on the radio while reading here, and a novel.

What novel r3?

Probably a crime thriller from some unkown author.

YouTube I would imagine r2

[quote]Where’s is streaming

Probably everywhere but to be more precise...

Thanks r7

I will be watching at home so that I can scream at the tv.

I'll be BEYOND THRILLED when this mess is over!!! The candidates (and this is including President Biden) aren't the problem(s). It's the media with its unquenchable thirst to position political debates as boxing matches and entertainment.

I don't know, r10.

I'd say the proto-fascist candidate is something of a concern.

Kamala to Trump:

Donald, you look lovely tonight. But that's no surprise. You spend more time on hair & makeup than most women I know. Don't you?!

[quote]I'd say the proto-fascist candidate is something of a concern.

Then... REPORT ON THAT rather than this is what Harris "must do", "can't do", etc. I'm also sick of these pundits who normalize Trump. He's far from a good debater. He's simply a loudmouth that uses the strategy (ya see?) of speaking over, yelling, etc without any type of substance. But... it's entertaining...

I thought it was live on ABC?

I live two blocks from the venue. It's locked the fuck down tonight.

So all the rules are to keep Trump from turning the event into a circus?

I'd rather eat a chunk of coal. You all are gonna have to tell me what happens I just cannot watch it. It's too painful.

I only made it 10 minutes into the debate with Biden. But Kamala is going to be in prosecutor mode, and she isn't going to take the bait when he gets ugly. The moderators are another story.

[quote] I'd rather eat a chunk of coal. You all are gonna have to tell me what happens I just cannot watch it. It's too painful.

lol.

Muted TV on to the debate, but my eyes firmly on the DL thread made of the posts of thick-skinned DLers.

I know, I know. I'm cowering behind you guys. You can't stop me. You can't kick me out from there.

But please, a bit of mercy. My anxiety will be through the roof.

I left MSNBC on after Lawrence O’Donnell’s show only to hear Stephanie Ruhle refer to Trump as a “skilled debater”. It’s not the first time she has said this and she’s not the only one guilty of it.

Getting really tired of these talking heads talking from both sides of their mouths.

[quote] I'd rather eat a chunk of coal. You all are gonna have to tell me what happens I just cannot watch it. It's too painful.

When my confidence level was greater, I was certain I'd watch (& see the end of Trump). But knowing Trump has, at a minimum, a 50-50 chance of winning makes me more uncertain about watching.

[quote] I left MSNBC on after Lawrence O’Donnell’s show only to hear Stephanie Ruhle refer to Trump as a “skilled debater”. It’s not the first time she has said this and she’s not the only one guilty of it.

I would otherwise say she was just raising the expectations game for Trump, but for an MSNBC audience?!

Gonna watch it on my phone with Datalounge on laptop. No place I'd rather be. Deep calming breaths. XO

Just another Dump hate rally wherein he’ll spew his usual lies and not get fact checked or called out and then the media will go on with its “too close to call” bullshit. Hard pass.

There will be no witty bitches, because partisans are not witty. The venom towards Trump ruins the humor and Kamala would be treated like Mother Theresa.

[quote] The venom towards Trump ruins the humor and Kamala would be treated like Mother Theresa.

Bwahahahaha!

Because, of course, Trump's charm and manners are only too well known, right?

You're a typical, run-of -the-mill Trumper, always holding others to account but living your life to save Trump from himself.

Trump can dish it out to his ugly heart's content, but, nobody better dish it back to him.

Really? Trump, your "tells it like it is" faux "tough guy", like any other coward, wants to be to dish it out but can't take it?

And you want to rescue him from that? Shelter him?

That isn't consistent with the truly, tough courageous people I know. They don't require my rescue. If they're going to assert it, they'll own it.

I'll have a lot to answer for on my death bed. I'll have to ask for forgiveness. I'll forgive. "Regrets, I've had a few".

But one thing I'll be at peace about is that I was never among a kind that would give favor, or excuse, or justify, the low-down likes of Donald Trump.

Brit here, I'll get up at 2am to watch live, and follow my DL fellows for what comfort might be found.

Last debate I was willing Biden to up his game, but it became excruciating. This time I'll be willing Kamala somehow to deliver one of the longest overdue comeuppances in history. Hope springs eternal.

I’m in Europe, 6 hours ahead. So with these things I go to sleep and wake up for the aftermath shitshow.

I really dont get why the media particularly CNN praises Kamala 2020 VP debate with Pence and that cringe line of " im sleaming, im speaking" i cringe everytime they show it

Im speaking*

Past my bedtime.

I'll catch up in the morning.

EVERY fucking website will have "Five (or ten) (or fifteen) Most Important Takeaways from Harris/Trump Debate"

[quote]im speaking" i cringe everytime they show it

It shows her being able to be forceful, speak to power, and demand proper respect. However... the media has run it into the ground with its constant replay.

Why it is also compelling (IMHO) is that it shows a Black woman speaking to and confronting a white male in such a manner.

Here's my hope.

I'm already claiming that Harris will do well. But what I want to see her do is "well enough" or better to effectively and permanently severely cripple the Trump fundraising operation. Not only will it kill Trump but all down ballot Republicans too.

Interesting comment to put out on the day of the debate

Tulsi Gabbard 🌺@TulsiGabbard

Kamala Harris is being trained like an actress—lights, cameras, memorized lines—so she can “win” the debate and act her way through this election. But we’re not choosing the lead in a movie; we’re choosing our Commander-in-Chief. As citizens and voters, we need to recognize our solemn responsibility in this regard.

Oh, shut up, Gabbard.

I'll take the implicit compliment from Harris that she knows American voters should expect a prepared candidate over the insult from Trump that any shitty behavior, lack of preparedness, and lies he feels like handing out, should do.

What contempt Trump and Trumpers have for Americans.

As if Trump's skyscraper comb-over Aqua-Netted hair and orange make-up aren't him preparing for a role.

[quote]...we’re choosing our Commander-in-Chief. As citizens and voters, we need to recognize our solemn responsibility in this regard.

Indeed. A convicted felon, sex offender, serial bankrupt, insurrectionist and daily liar are certainly characteristics for solemn recognition.

R34, thanks, that quote from Tulsi says a lot. The Trump camp are nervous because Kamala Harris actually did some debate prep sessions and they couldn’t get Trump to do the same.

So now they’re hastily pivoting from “she’s stupid “ to “she may seem clever tonight but we have the spin on that: she’s just an actress”.

What color suit will Kamala wear tonight?

I'd like a President that is not completely bat-shit crazy, Tulsa.

I pray she reads him for filth and humiliates him.

Watching on CSPAN to avoid the talking heads commentary. Trump is a cornered rat, fighting to stay out of jail. He will be oozing misogyny. He wants her to come at him so he can let loose. Best bet is for her to stay on message, dismiss him, refuse to get into wrangles. That should unleash his insanity.

What are the odds that we get a Michael Richards- style outburst? He came so close at the NABJ conference...

This is going to be exceptionally boring. Mics are muted, no live audience. She'll make all her policy points, and he won't have any outbursts. And the polling won't change one bit.

He is going to be fully medicated, may be some drooling. All dolled up by his fake doctor.

FYI, Rachel Maddow is on The View this morning.

I wonder what Tulsi saw?

Trump litera)ly shit himself at the last debate. I wonder if that's why Kamala pushed for muted mics

[quote] I wonder if that's why Kamala pushed for muted mics

I see the posting of disinformation has started early. Harris unsuccessfully made the demand for the mics to be unmuted.

R49 What a very stable genius.

When is Trump ever happy? When he's cheating at golf or replenishing his narcissistic supply surrounded by sycophants? He's going to be as foul as can be tonight.

I hope Kamala's podium is upwind of Trump's diaper. 💩🙏

r2 It's streaming on Hulu and Disney+ for the first time ever, plus there are live streams on YouTube.

r28 Same, I'll be running during the debate and will check DL after I return home. Needless to say, I hope I don't find a dumpster fire like after the first debate.

The only way I can observe the political circus without becoming physically nauseous is by reading threads on DL. Praise be to the commenters' wit, sarcasm, and scathing viewpoints!

CAPITULATION! Already...

DC_Draino @DC_Draino·3h

Everyone has to be prepared for the fact that the media is going to crown Kamala the winner of tonight’s debate no matter what

She could pound a bottle of wine & barbecue a cat on stage and they’ll say “she connects with the common people of this country”

Get ready for the spin

Kamala is bringing Scaramucci and Olivia Troye as her guests today, to try and get under Trump's skin.

The cute reporter in the back... I need to be inside him, quite deeply.

Same photo from an older article, for reference.

From NPR/Marist poll this morning.

[quote]70% of Americans will watch all or most of the presidential debate between Harris and Trump and an additional 23% say they won’t watch but will closely follow the news coverage of the debate.

7 percent will pass out from their drug of choice before 9pm.

One of the media attacks on Kamala is that she's a flip flopper because of fracking. I'm sure the debate moderators will ask her about that tonight. But they'll be silent when it comes to Trump's flip flops on everything, especially abortion.

CNN being disgusting.

[quote]A campaign that has been about avoiding error and limiting unscripted public exposure for the vice president faces a nowhere-to-hide moment on prime-time television. And the price of failure is enormous.

I so sick of people saying they don’t know enough about her when you know all you need to about him!

[quote] I so sick of people saying they don’t know enough about her when you know all you need to about him!

Although many people automatically vote for one party or the other, there are still a few people who want to examine both candidates before they choose which in their mind is the lesser of two evils. Those people know how bad Trump is, but they want to compare that to Harris.

[quote] One of the media attacks on Kamala is that she's a flip flopper because of fracking.

You don’t think that and illegal immigration are flip-flops by Harris? The latter would be a huge flip-flop.

[quote]Those people know how bad Trump is, but they want to compare that to Harris.

Well, tell me R64, what is there to compare (in your opinion)?

And for good luck, R57, Trump will inexplicably trot out the same Bill Clinton accusers he put on parade at the ‘16 debate.

I hope he has the runs leading up to and during the debate. Hot orange cheeto pus blasting out his tired hole.

[quote]A campaign that has been about avoiding error and limiting unscripted public exposure...

Because Trump's unscripted public exposure has been so worthwhile, informative and Presidential.

OH, JOY! Forget about healthcare being at risk. It means nothing that women's rights are under attack and being taken away. What's important?

Bets are pouring in taking sides "IF" or "IF NOT" Harris & Trump will shake hands!!!

And... that's entertainment folks!!!

A virtual watch party with Walz to help soothe the nervous Marys.

That's a great idea. Thanks, R71!

[quote]Bets are pouring in taking sides "IF" or "IF NOT" Harris & Trump will shake hands!!!

I’m hoping for something like this.

Instead of shaking his hand, she should kick him in the balls.

Thanks R71

[quote]Harris unsuccessfully made the demand for the mics to be unmuted.

Her team was stupid for agreeing to the Dump team’s demands for muted mics. Dump himself wanted unmuted mics. She should have told them unmuted or forget it.

R76 But then all the MAGAts would whine about her changing the rules he and Biden had agreed to and how unfair it was to their dear leader.

[Quote] The only way I can observe the political circus without becoming physically nauseous is by reading threads on DL. Praise be to the commenters' wit, sarcasm, and scathing viewpoints!

I'm with you, r55. I usually plan to watch and then chicken shit out and follow on DL. He's so FUCKING triggering.

She should shake hands wearing a plastic glove, remove it and spray the air with Febreze.

It’s too bad he can’t get an electric shock every time he lies.

Will he be extra sniffy tonight?

[quote]and spray the air with Febreze.

Make it Lysol spray.

He has to be an insane, rage filled, lie -spewing- maniac so his minions will go to war for him and she has to be perfectly Presidential including hair, make up, posture, tone, content, fact-checking with zingers that hit but not below the belt and specific policies that address problems we've had for generations that no one else has solved. AND NO CACKLING!!!

YOU SUDDENLY TURNED BLACK AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS IT.

Someone invited me over to watch the debate. Actually, he asked if I was going to watch the debate, which somehow I was supposed to know was code for let's watch the debate together. Ugh.

I just have a funny feeling that no matter how great Kamala does tonight the corporate media across the board has already prepared 3 or 4 talking points against her that they are just going to nail against her for the rest of the week and try to take her down like they did Joe in the last debate.

They are all in the bag for Trump and this is really their last chance to make something stick to her - and no matter what Trump does, he’ll get a total pass. Even if it’s “she couldn’t control Trump” that’s what they’ll go with instead of “Trump was out of control.”

Because, let’s be honest: there’s no comparison to be made between these two candidates other than he is completely unfit for office.

To the corporate media, “debate” equals “wildcard” and they’re most likely going to invent some major bullshit to help Trump out. Just my feeling.

[quote]...we’re choosing our Commander-in-Chief. As citizens and voters, we need to recognize our solemn responsibility in this regard.

Exactly, Tulsi. We're choosing a president, not the latest winner of "The Apprentice."

[quote]I just have a funny feeling that no matter how great Kamala does tonight the corporate media across the board has already prepared 3 or 4 talking points against her that they are just going to nail against her for the rest of the week and try to take her down like they did Joe in the last debate.

Of course they are. They have to keep this as a nail biter. I'm glad you brought up President Biden too. Yes, his performance was bad, but it really was not as bad as all of the histrionics the media pushed. It really wasn't. However, with that said, and my being a supporter of his and now Harris, I can now see that he made the right decision. It seems that President Biden only became invigorated when he is with and among the people. Other than those times, he has come across as a frail (and to some level sullen) old man.

SHe needs to take him down *humorously* with lines like the Michelle "Black Jobs" quip. That's what they'll replay over and over.

At this point I just want it over with. Yes, I obviously understand the stakes at hand, but I'm exhausted by the media's constant – and contradictory – insistence that the debate "won't change much" except it somehow *will* save Western democracy.

I'm also exhausted by people like R84 who, without evidence, keep insisting the "corporate media" or "MSM" is "stilting its coverage against Harris / Trump solely to boost readership / viewership." This definitely isn't limited to DataLounge: read the comments section of any given NYT article about Harris, and you'll see identical handwringing. The ridiculousness of it doesn't become apparent until you read the Wall Street Journal and notice that *their* commenters are saying the same fucking thing – except about Trump. Yes, they really are arguing that the WSJ & Faux News are "throwing the race for Kamala" solely for publishing even entirely neutral reports.

Yes, I also know everything's a conspiracy theory today, blah blah blah, and I sure as FUCK look forward to the day – long after this dreadful Trumpist era has ended – when conspiracy theories are once again revealed to be 100% bullshit.

[quote] Yes, his performance was bad, but it really was not as bad as all of the histrionics the media pushed. It really wasn't.

While I know it's very fashionable across the political spectrum to attack the media, the notion that Biden's problems can be laid at the feet of the media is so misplaced.

It's on at 9:00 PM ET.

[quote]r91 = the notion that Biden's problems can be laid at the feet of the media is so misplaced.

The complaint is that equal time wasn't given to Trump's problems.

I won't be watching. I still have PTSD from June.

But I have my Trump voodoo doll out and ready to be pricked.

I'm sure that could be arranged, R80.

Drinking Game: Take a shot every time Trump refers to something he did/said as something no one has ever seen before or was better than ever seen before, etc. Extra shot for accordion hands.

We'll all be sloshed by the end.

We'll be sloshed ten minutes in, r96

[quote] The complaint is that equal time wasn't given to Trump's problems.

Trump's mendacity is so constant that, in the media's defense, there's no keeping up with it. Much like every mass shooting.

I am almost tempted to go to a watch party.

We’d be sloshed half-way through.

🤪

Veneer!

I wish it started at 8:00 ET instead of 9:00.

I took allergy meds and I'm already getting sleepy.

I hope this is brought up tonight. This is disqualifying.

I just can't watch it. I'm terrified he will do a lot better than I expect him to, and I just can't take the disappointment. I'll sit back and read the comments here.

I miss Candy Crowley as debate moderator, and how she would keep snacks under the desk to nosh on during the debate.

I'm at work so can't watch. I'm relying on you bitches to keep me posted!!

R103, wow. Tim Walz will definitely "go there" on Vance at the VP debate.

"(📢) Tuesday’s debate (ABC, 9PM) may be the only one in the most important POTUS election ever. It also won’t be a debate, shouldn’t be happening, and will harm democracy. A bestselling Trump biographer explains in this thread starting at 7PM.

1/ This isn’t a debate. You mustn’t think of it as a debate. You mustn’t watch or discuss it as a debate. You must reject analyses that deconstruct as if it were a debate. It has no debate-like qualities—it bears no resemblance to what America once called a “political debate.”

2/ At this point the term “debate”—much like the term “convention” as it was applied to the RNC this year—is mere marketing. It’s intended to convey memories of a tradition America once had that made us—and for that matter America—feel more or less normal and safe and located.

3/ In a debate, competitors prepare. As has now been reported, Donald Trump has in no fashion prepared for tonight—nor, when you peel back the curtain, was his supposed preparation for the June debate with Joe Biden actually “prep” at all—because he knows this is not a debate.

4/ In a debate, there are rules. Yes, media likes to say what’s happening tonight has “rules” because seeing things that way allows for weeks of easy-to-write process stories. But Trump follows whatever rules he likes, and there’ll be no meaningful penalties for rule breakage.

5/ While there aren’t rules in any meaningful sense, there are *features*. Just as Rome threw Christians to the lions in the Colosseum at a certain time of day, for a rough duration, with a rough max attendance, there are immutable(-ish) elements to this gladiatorial madness.

6/ The debate will go for a certain time. Microphones will be muted at certain times. Questions will be asked. None of those are rules and none of those things make this a debate any more than calling the McRib “the McRib” makes it homemade brisket or makes a McDouble a McRib..."

I'm getting nervous.

Washington Post

"7/ In a debate, facts matter—which is why the competitors prepare. You *have* to prepare if you’re entering an arena in which there are rules that are enforced and the only weapon you have is facts and the person who wins on facts wins the debate.

*None of that matters here*.

8/ And the foregoing is connected to the key fact that in a debate there is scoring, or at a minimum a winner, but that winner is determined on the basis of metrics understood and accepted by all beforehand: essentially, who has made their case most factually and compellingly.

9/ Here, there’s not only no agreement on rules, not only no enforcement of any pretend “rules,” not only no agreed-upon metric of success, not only no concord on why we’re even calling this a “debate,” but the winner will be decided via means similar to scrying pig entrails.

10/ None of the foregoing is opinion—it’s fact. And I’ll tell you how I know. I know because US political debates ceased to be debates the moment a deranged sociopath and pathological liar was admitted to them in 2016.

Then they were “debates” the way a McRib is steak frites.

11/ I use that metaphor advisedly. I’m not saying U.S. debates are to actual debate the way a McRib is to a gourmet pork sandwich. That’d be to say our debates are simply *simulated* or *processed*. But no matter how much you gussy up a McRib, it will *never* be steak frites.

12/ So let’s get to it: what’s *really* happening tonight?

Well, a U.S. citizen, Harris, has self-selected to be stuck in a room with a deranged criminal for 90 minutes so we can watch in real time how she handles being in the presence of a bona fide madman for that duration.

13/ That’s right: this is macabre dystopian theater, one in which even us choosing to be in the audience makes us endtimes sadomasochists.

It’s something *far* closer to watching the Christians be eaten by lions as entertainment than *anything* approaching a political debate.

14/ Consider what happened in June. Joe Biden—a smart and well-informed, if old and slowed-down—U.S. male was put in a room with a deranged sociopath who proceeded to lie 600+ times in 40 minutes, as PROOF detailed line-by-line in the below report.

🔗: sethabramson.substack.com/p/donald-trump…

15/ Of *Trump*, absolutely nothing was required or expected at the debate. Just as you don’t really think about your expectations for the *lions* at the Colosseum. They are animals. Monsters. They will do what they do. They are the constant and are not being judged in any way.

16/ In Atlanta in June, Trump entered the arena as such an obvious monster that the moderators made no effort to factcheck him, no journalist made a serious attempt to grade his performance afterward, and the fact that he was clearly a deranged sociopath was just... a feature.

17/ No, the only purpose of the Atlanta debate was to put Joe Biden in the sort of position a world leader actually would never be in—as world leaders, oddly, tend to deal with the most competent (or at least most intel-profiled) folks alive—and see how he reacted. An analogy:

18/ The Atlanta debate was like locking an average homeowner—mind you, *not* a VCR repairman—in a room with a 1980s Betamax that had been smashed with a sledgehammer for six minutes straight and demanding that he put it back together in a way that made it work *and* look good..."

"19/ And Biden failed the smashed-Betamax test, because he looked like a world leader who had had an enormously successful presidency and could not for the life of him understand why he had just been locked in a room with a sledgehammered Betamax, let alone what to do with it.

20/ This is why I said before the Atlanta debate that Biden shouldn’t participate. Because it wasn’t a debate, because it wouldn’t function in any way like a debate, and because the circumstances had been pre-arranged so that Trump couldn’t lose. He *wasn’t even being judged*.

22/ To understand why tonight is already a disaster no matter what happens, we must return to 2016, when Trump destroyed U.S. political debates forever and did so—we must be *very clear on this*—because he’s *so incompetent and ill-informed* that he can never win *any* debate.

23/ To repeat: the reason America no longer has actual debates in campaigns is because of one man: Donald Trump.

And Trump did not change campaigns in this way because he is a trailblazer or maverick or tradition-buster.

We ended debates because he was *too stupid for them*.

24/ From the moment Donald Trump began his first debate—back in 2015—it was clear he’d done no preparation, didn’t know anything about his opponents, didn’t know anything about the issues, planned to ignore every rule, had no interest in the truth and simply *couldn’t debate*..."

Rob and I are ready in New Zealand. We'll be watching while having lunch. (Lovely spring Wed here). Hoping Kamala smokes the Orange blob into infinity.

[quote]You don’t think that and illegal immigration are flip-flops by Harris? The latter would be a huge flip-flop.

He's the same troublemaking brat his mother sent away to military school at age 12.

Vance gives off such Proud Boy vibes, his looks, his age, his way of speaking. Imagine having a proud boy Vice-President supporting a convicted felon President who openly wants to throw the country in to absolute chaos from which there will be no recovery this time

[quote]1/ This isn’t a debate. You mustn’t think of it as a debate.

Someone remind Seth when he takes a breather from bloviating that it's been the same for almost the last fifty years. There's been some procedural changes from time to time, but is still basically the same set up.

Me too r109

[quote]Vance gives off such Proud Boy vibes, his looks, his age, his way of speaking.

He looks like an author, someone who would be doing a book talk at Barnes & Noble.

Okay... It's really time for an intervention.

WHO IS DOING JOY REID'S MAKEUP????

Talk about heavy handed...

If I don't turn it off in the first five minutes, I will have officially watched more of it than I did the June debate.

I wish Joy Reid would always wear a tiny hat like the kind that Blaine Edwards (Damon Wayans) and Antoine Merriweather (David Alan Grier) would wear on "Men On..." sketches on In Living Color.

Deplorables must realize they are voting for Vance for President. The obese 78-yr. old will never finish out his term- either voluntarily or involuntarily.

I similarly will defer viewing until the results are in. But largely because I can't stand looking at and listening to that SOP (sack of pus) for that length of time. I'm confident Harris will prevail and am looking forward to the reel of zinger highlights she will deliver. Go Kamala!

Finally! Sorkin steps up!!! You see this is what journalists MUST do! They cannot allow these people to go on with their hyperbolic rants!

Aaron Rupar @atrupar 1h

NIKKI HALEY: Find me one American that says that they were better the last four years than the ones before it. You can't find it.

SORKIN: Most of the people who have any stock in this market would tell you that, actually.

Donald Trump won the toss and therefore will have the last word of the night.

Who's debating? Kamala vs Trump or Vance vs Waltz?

Did this shit start yet?

Tim Walz is having a watch party. I might need it to hakuna my tatas.

I guess no one is watching.

[quote]Tim Walz is having a watch party. I might need it to hakuna my tatas.

This tells me that confidence is very high on the Harris side. A number of politicians (Shapiro, Newsom, and others) have publicly announced that they are having watch parties. I don't recall such announcements like these being so publicly revealed in the past.

Whose idea is it to start these things so damn late?

Tough shit if it's only 6:00pm on the west coast.

"Who is Kuh-MAH-luh Harris? No one knows. She was Indian before she was black (dots not arrows... Pocahontas Warren had arrows, or maybe not-who the hell knows?). But she's been on the fast track for many years, and many people are wondering how. Is she a childless cat lady? J.D. thinks so. On Day 1 I'll have her locked up for allowing a senile old man to run for President. She knew. She knew."

Harris should start with WHY they haven’t met. He is a sore loser criminal that got people killed January 6.

[quote]r131 = I don't recall such announcements like these being so publicly revealed in the past.

They used to be almost as hush-hush as Evie Zur's shindigs.

Ya know what I find very interesting... Trump's wife, the whore...err...escort...err former FLOTUS... What's her name? Oh! Melanie! Well, Melanie dropped something today via Twitter to promote her upcoming book that someone wrote for her and it hasn't really resonated at all. Even here on the DL.

Shocking...

Will I be able to stream on Max?

Can I watch online at CSPAN??

I can follow live on MSNBC on Sirius but I'd like to watch.

R127 The presidential candidates.

Gavin Newsom on CNN up next! Hot damn!

It's everywhere, R137. Go to YouTube but it'll be anywhere you feel most comfortable watching.

I'm in the mood for David Pakman's shamelessly and hilariously biased coverage.

Don’t answer fucktards with complicated streaming arrangements. It’s exhausting. It’s being broadcast on every linear news channel.

I hope Trump is in full on crazy mode tonight.

I think Trump will be calm. He started out calm during the debate with Biden and only revved up to his usual self when Biden disintegrated.

Thanks.

Watching on Max now.

R145 Idiot nobody gives a shit

It's on Hulu and Disney too

C-Span on YouTube

This debate set is wack!

There’s a watch party on Kamala’s YouTube channel.

Fucking idiots

The debate is also on QVC with David Venable hosting.

How can a schoolteacher (MSNBC) publicly admit that she will not vote? What type of example is she for students?

R141 - “ I'm in the mood for David Pakman's shamelessly and hilariously biased coverage.”

I’ve been in the mood for David Pakman‘s ANYTHING, for quite some time. 😈

I think he is adorable. And yes, hilarious.

C-SPAN after dark has it

HOLD ME, DAVID!

[quote] I'm in the mood for David Pakman's shamelessly and hilariously biased coverage.

Hi, David.

[quote] I think he is adorable. And yes, hilarious.

Hi, David’s mom.

The local Democratic headquarters here is having a watch party, food trucks and folks in folding chairs all over the sidewalk. I don't know which klavern is hosting the GOP viewers.

LOL! So Trump has changed the rules and requirements for Arlington Cemetery so that he can be buried there even though he has never served? LOL!

I have to give him and other Republicans props... Just break the rules! What will anyone do?

OMG! What in the world is Claire McCaskill wearing????

Claire McCaskill got her hair did.

^Or, is it a wig?

And I assume Arlington will then change the rules and allow pissing on his grave, but only his grave.

5 minutes to show time!

No Melania?

R153, I saw that, and her lame “undecided” comment.

I’ve been saying this for 8 fucking years now, that anyone who is STILL undecided, needs to off themselves, and do society a huge favor. Someone posted in another that these “undecideds” are either attention seeking whores, or profoundly uninformed/ ill informed. Inexcusable.

She must still be too deeply shaken by the assassination attempt r166

Let’s go!

Here we go ...

Tis time!

Im so nervous, come on Kamala, beat him up!!!

Tom Cotton is a complete idiot.

It’s showtime!

OH! I love Lindsey Davis's lighting!!! Beautiful job, Lighting person!!!

Holding my breath ...

He did not want to shake her hand!

That’s an enormous clock!

She looks very presidential.

That's a bad-assed grey pin-striped suit.

I even like the peaked shoulders.

He's such a pouty baby

Shaking hands!

[quote] So Trump has changed the rules and requirements for Arlington Cemetery so that he can be buried there even though he has never served?

Hopefully someone will have the balls to change the rules back.

She's not answering the question ....

Stop calling him president Trump.

That's an enormous spray tan!

Kamala and President Trump were elected four years ago, David?

She looks a lot better than he does already. Seems a little nervous.

Donald has lost weight. She is avoiding the question. C'mon Kamala!

He’s actually toned down the orange.

He looks half asleep. Did they give him tranquilizers?

she's not, and she could have immediately launched into life 4 years ago, under the Covid shutdown. Have three things that sucked in 2020, and then pivot to this econ plan.

She’s shaky to start. Calm it down girl. Breath.

He's sedated.

Why is hair purple?

Succinct and to the point please. Kamala's blabbering on and on about nothing to do with the question.

Kamala don't use up all the good china already.

CHINA

Answer the question, Kam! 🤞🏼

A little rough start Kammi, but it looks like she's got her groove

still has NO fucking clue what a tariff is and how it works.

Ooh, get him on the "tariffs", Kamala!

I'm counting on you, bitches.

I can't bring myself to watch.

R193 is Kelly Osborne.

I knew he'd come out calm.

*his hair

It looks purple

You bitches are already stressing me out!

Liar, liar!

He has a new hairpiece

He's going to unravel quickly...

Insane Asylums!

That no one has ever seen before..... oh god all the bad immigrants.

Now she’s getting fired up!

Well, he’s not wasting any time in getting to his greatest hits.

She shook his hand and introduced herself. Boss lady move! 👍

Trump hit her sweet spot. Here she goes!!!

Slight smirk from Kamala -- I love it!

He's NUTS!!!

Trump: blah, blah, blah, doom, gloom, wash, rinse, repeat.

Enough with the milllllions billlions. And that’s coming from me.

I'm so nervous!! How is she doing??

Same old song from Trump. Way over the top!

he was half asleep, then he got to murder and mayhem and his whole face came alive. He LOVES that shit.

He’s going full bullshit from the get go.

Get him! Talk those real stats.

Atta girl!

Take out the trash.

Trump quickly going off the rails

YES GIRL

You cleaned up Trump's mess! GET HIM

Everything I do no one has ever seen before. Whatever anyone else does is a disaster

So did Trump mean insane asylums are releasing people from other countries?

She looks at him, he never looks at her.

Mass protests in Philly right now over Palestine.

Trump has already lost this debate.

He won't use her name...SHE HER

some random group of people ...

Go Kamala! ooooooohhhhh Donald nodded when she mentioned Project 2025.

I had nothing to do with Project 2025!

"I have nothing to do with Project 2025.."

Bullshit.

Did Trump put a blue rinse in his hair?

She's got him talking about the past.

Good move Kamala and he took the bait.

I loooove her!!!!!!!!

Lies, lies and more lies.

He probably can't remember it, r233

Smiling now -- she looks great!

Good! Don't you dare call that POS "President," Vice President Harris.

He's hyperventilating and getting loud!

Back to VENTILATORS!!

If he won't look at her or say her name like I'm reading here, he's fucking terrified and that gives me great pleasure to contemplate.

He’s touting a great job in the pandemic. What, at killing people?

R231 are you the one who lives nearby? Hope all stays away

The covid deaths started to slow down after you were kicked out, Donnie.

Great job with the pandemic? Sure Donnie..

She stares him down. Another boss lady move. 👍

Hitting him with specifics and even bringing up Wharton disagrees with his economic policies.

DJT: ME ME ME!

She needs to have a sip of water.

She is beating him to pulp

I'm sick to my stomach. I just took a Xannie.

LOL he is flubbing already.

I just realized that she's speaks kinda nasally.

Cool, calm, and collected Kamala!

He's saying nothing, throwing out words.

He looked better with the giant ear patch.

The Kushner’s economy vastly improved by what, $32 billion?

RUN, SPOT, RUN!

Unfortunately Trump is winning at this early stage. I don't know how Trump manages to pull it together during these debates but he has now done it twice.

r256 MARY!!!

good solid money is his plan. of course.

so um, gold doubloons?

I'm living for her reactions.

She's doing great, r256, unclench!

How do I not have r264 already blocked?

SHE SHE SHE SHE use Kamala's name.

Stupid idiot still thinks tariffs are paid by the seller.

Braggy Bragstein

I can't watch this.

He's just spewing lies, and I'm not going to listen to it.

I think Trump is missing a great opportunity to ask with every plan she says she has, why is the administration not implementing it right now.

Please ask Trump if he knows the definition of tariff.

I highly disagree R264

He's breaking...Donnie will never last for a full 15 minutes without blowing

CHINA!

Still saying he graduated from Wharton.

The good news is that he sounds like a broken record. We've heard all this rambling bullshit a thousand times before.

r264, so because Dump isn't rambling (yet) it means he's "winning" to you?

He is so FUCKING disrespectful to her -- won't use her name, won't look at her.

She keeps exposing his mistakes.

Bacon!

Get it Girl!

You poor Yanks. You can’t afford cereal, eggs or bacon.

Kamala coming with the facts!

Squish that bug, Kamala!

He has no idea if what she's saying is true or not. Even his own administration, not a fucking clue what was actually going on.

She is doing great without a prompter!

R280, you got that right.

She is BURNING hjim!

He looks so uncomfortable LOL

She's doing well, but she needs to be clearer in explaining that Trump's tariffs will just be paid by American consumers.

His alleged alma mater, The Wharton School, denounced donald's tarriff follies?

How are things in Vladivostok, R264?

Waiting for Dump to release an audible fart.

R286 According to Trump, we can't afford ammunition for our military, either.

Marxist!

She’s just laughing at him now!!

She should work on her voice. I assume a lot of people will find it grating.

He SOLD US OUT TO CHINA and thanked President Xi!

GO GIRL!!

I'm muting it whenever he speaks. That seems to be working for me. I mean, I haven't had a nervous breakdown yet!

Keep trolling, r264.

He going on big lies!

Also, she's a WITCH!

JFC, He’s so full of shot! What she’s done to our country?

She knows the camera is on her and she's performing for it.

The 'China evil, right!?' bit was a little shaky

Your father was a Nazi, Trump

Muir's nose is arousing.

He’s flailing. No fucking coherent responses. Hes doing a Sarah Palin word salad.

She's giving him that "Bitch, please!" look.

They’re not calling out his lies, so sad.

JINAH!!!!!

Former FOrmer Former president trump GEEZ!!

Like his voice is relaxing and presidential? R301

Oh, you wanna talk about dads and their beliefs, Donnie?! Kamala's dad wasn't arrested at a Nazi march!

Does anyone else think Trump has some cotton mouth going on?

TAIE-Wan 🇹🇼

Why do they keep calling him “President”?

[quote] She should work on her voice. I assume a lot of people will find it grating.

I assume your mother regrets not having that abortion.

They do not have abortion in the 9th month! This is a raving lunatic!

She's got him. Trump is pushing the racism garbage. She's got this.

Hey Trump, how many abortions have you paid for? (your daughter's maybe?)

I am loving her sly smirk!

Oh, good, abortion. I expect Kamala to score on this one.

Baby execution. OMG!

He's mixing up West Virginia with Virginia. LMAO!!!!!

He misspoke about “West” Virginia.

I'm not even looking at him. I'm 100% focused on her. Her reactions are hilarious. It's like watching Sane vs Crazy

Abortion after birth!

[quote]They’re not calling out his lies, so sad.

She's doing a good job of if herself.

Oh my God!!! He is lying!!

Lord, with the “execute the baby” again.

I think she's giving way too many facial reactions.

EXECUTING BABIES!

She's already won this.

“Execute the baby”

Same old lies on abortion.

I'm enjoying the incredulous expression on Kamala's face.

I'm watching it on mute and her facial expressions are sending me

OMG the moderator just schooled him !

He’s treading water.

Let's talk about the children who were "executed after birth" just a few days ago, Dumpy

His hair looks different. Did they take him for a trim at Great Clips?

Kamala wants to abort babies attending WHARTON, my almer madder

He's owning the abortion mess.

Good, I knew he'd prosecute himself

Just throwing everything at the wall, and doesn't know what the fuck he's taking about. what a surprise.

Now she's giving him the side-eye.

Abortions after birth are called school shootings.

I believe in rape and incest

Gasp! Did ABC just do a fact check?

Finally, he’s called out on his abortion lie.

Wow, an actual fact check!

R352 🔥

He looks less orange tonite

The woman moderator looks disgusted at Trump. I like her.

She has won this already.

Where are all these millions of immigrants?!?

Burn him alivvvvve with his lies! Gogogogo

She’s hitting her stride.

KAMALA!

KAMALA!

KAMALA!

Nail him to the wall!

Oh Kamala! You’re on fire with abortion!

He's going to spew his same old lies all night.

He looks like he just sat in poop. Or maybe his diaper is getting full.

He wants to say a certain word so badly.

I would like to report a murder.

This is Julia Sugarbaker level.

I usually avoid listening to Dump but watching the debate. She is doing well but unfortunately the Deplorables don't care about common sense.

She's killing him on the abortion issue.

I have a feeling this will be the only debate.

He's treading barefoot in his own cesspool, R344.

Squish Squish!

Washing the toilets at Mar-A-Lago R361. All being paid off the books.

Her answer on abortion was on fire

Dump right now:

He’s taking ownership of overturning Roe V. Wade. Go ahead and make your bed, Donald.

Kick him in the chops, Kamala! Pull that rug off!

20 minutes in and she's wiped the floor with him.

They let him break in. FUCK!

Kamala wants to abort mothers bleeding out in parking lots

Wow I really did not need that image R374!

He flailing

R361, correct! We wanna see the facts.

He has no idea what he’s talking about in regards to student loans.

He will slide into insulting her soon.

Get him Kamala tell him the facts on abortion rights! He is LYING WTF

That moderator is not playing!

Student loans!

okay, so now it's about student loans? What a dumb useless fuckwit he is, always.

Kamala was perfect on the abortion response. Kamala is regaining her footing.

Make FREEDOMS Freedom again

LO, throwing JD under the bus.

He’s a fucking liar.

He's starting with the personal remarks about Biden...

He definitely rode in on the short bus tonight.

Trump just said the people voted on abortion!

He's crazy as fuck, and digging himself into a deep hole. From abortion to student loans? LOL. And, as for those loans, Biden/Harris have already forgiven millions.

Perhaps Trump should be the "victim" of a post-birth abortion.

One can only hope.

Dump: "What, do you expect me to discuss stuff with my running mate?!"

He's becoming incoherent now.

She needs to keep her voice low and modulated. He sounds insane with his ranting.

I like this Linsey Davis. David Tyler Muir is doing okay too. Plus he's pretty to look at.

His face is awful.

Your boss biden was at the beach — Trump golfed 4 out of 7 days of his presidency

He looks so defeated.

He needs more orange makeup

She’s kicking his ass and she didn’t have to take off her earrings to do so.

“Insulting to women” 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

She’s killing him on abortion.

When he resorts to personal attacks, that's how you know she's got him on the ropes!

Fuck the Deplorables, R371. They’re outnumbered.

Linsey is playing to Kamala...okay with me.

Enough of abortion

a leader? why? was Don Jr IVF? What are you talking about you silly grifter?

I'm reminded how much VP Harris resembles Anna Devere Smith.

Millions and millions of immigrants are coming into this country and performing post-birth abortion and violently storming buildings and defaulting on black student loans and raising taxes!

I've been a leader on fertilization! WTF?

Abortions after birth, umm hmm.

Open mics!

abortions after birth? Trump is losing it!

WE PUT THE BABY ASIDE AND THEN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE BABY!

If someone took a drink everytime he says "I", they'd be under the table already.

Boom! on abortion

Trump hasn't got that hard core like me. He never learned to roll with the punches. And, believe me, in this business they come left, right and below the belt.

I can't watch this shit - just allowing him to lie over and over.

I have been a leader on walk banks - DJT

R419 - and eating cats in driveways. Don’t forget that.

I have been a leader on WANK banks - DJT

Kamala is a tigress.

[quote]Trump hasn't got that hard core like me. He never learned to roll with the punches. And, believe me, in this business they come left, right and below the belt.

Tie a can to that little man's tail!

I don’t like when dump demands she answers his question!

She is so damn good at this!

She's got him dead to rights on tanking the border bill. Go Kamala!

"Would rather run on a problem rather than fixing a problem." BAM.

Oof she hitting him hard

David Muir chose a very skinny tie. Kinda retro.

BTW: Kamala's outfit is perfect.

Love how she’s giving him the side eye. Calling him out on his rallies. BRAVA!

"He's gonna run on a problem instead of fixing the problem."

I FUCKIN' LOVE THIS WOMAN!!!!!

Dump should just quit the race right now!

He means that he had 5 kids with 3 different women R420. We don’t know how many were aborted.

She just baited him with the rallies!

Wow Kamala!!

People don't go to her rallies? Oh! My sides!

This is comedy gold! Kamala’s facial expressions at his outright lies are Oscar worthy.

what? I thought they were all AI?

KILLING HIM

Get him mama!

Kick the shiiit out of him! Go! Oh hell he’s accusing her rally off being small! Hahaha

Trump chose Miss Clairol in an ash tone, I see.

EATING THE CATS!!!

Nobody goes to her rallies. Haha!

I love the look on Kamala's face as Trump tries to lie his way out

She is the best, he only talks about immigration

Holy shit, he's projecting!

She’s got ‘em on the ropes.

I have the best rallies!!

WEIRD!

She did it. Got him to derail

Hah, she mentioned the only thing he cares about: numbers at rallies. Literally the only shit he cares about. Okay, also "ratings."

Hahahahaha. He fucking went there.

Kamala, tell him he has small crowds at his rallies.

They are eating the cats!!

He. Is. Utterly. Insane.

He fell for the crowd size remark. God he's so stupid. All she has to do is hit his ego and he off and running to whine city.

Oh my Gid!! What the fuck!!! This guy is insane!!!

"People don't go to her rallys..."

Uh, did you not see that rally she held DURING the DNC -- because she could?

He should say, "Soylent green is dogs and cats!"

David Muir is wiping him!

Eating tbe dogs! Eating the cats! Eating the pets!

My dog was taken and made for food!

Oh shit! He lost his shit! It’s like a million if his slogans one after another! Wowowowoso

Both moderators hate him

SHE IS KILLING HIM!!!! That thing about people leaving his rallies got his ass!

honestly, I'd love to see her just say that r469. Call him a crazy moron for repeating that idiotic dead pets story.

They’re eating the pets?

Dollface debate

My dog was taken! Ahhhh, she finally laughed at him.

This guy is not fit to be a president. Period. It is embarrassing

Kamala's poll numbers will go through the roof with the next polling.

DT Muir factchecking on eating pets!

She's gotten him off the rails. "I've seen it. They're eating the dogs."

Keep laughing at him! Love it! Call him weird!

Cats & Dogs for Kamala

He already lost and we're just a half hour in.

Best tip! Cage keep dog Safe from eating.

Get him!!!!

I’m a different kind of a person!

He’s melting.

BOSS LADY KAMALA is KILLING IT

She’s bringing up his cabinet. He only hires the best!

Trump is getting kicked in the nuts over his lies.

I fired the best people!

I’m putting my cat in the Witness Protection Program!

She did it!!!! When she disparaged his rallies he went MENTAL!

in other words, I hire people I claim are awesome and decide they suck a few months later and fire them, constantly.

🐈 🐕 🍽️

This is the money shot. She’s naming real people who hate Trump whereas he talks about ‘everyone’ and ‘all of them’.

Exactly this. He can't handle being challenged

She’s doing great at baiting the crazy.

She is burning him to the ground!

I just unmuted.

You bitches weren't lying. He's off the rails.

The kill shot is going to be one for the ages!

"Aggrr ... gut shot."

"With me they can write books"

She’s killing it.

Did he kill a pet for that hairpiece?

He’s preaching to his magats. He’s not trying to get new voters. Millions and millions.

“Immigrants ate the dog off loser RINO Mitt Romney’s car”

OOh, yes, bring up the 13 dead soldiers you used as a photo op at Arlington!

He's losing it. How long before he storms off?

TWITTER IS QUIET!!! The unwashed know that "Houston we have a problem!"

Our girl is doing good. Started a bit shaky (who can blame her). But she hit her stride

MILLIONS!!!!

YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!

R508 - ha! The hair is SO poofy!

“They wrote books about me. With no one else can they”

Yoda Trump

Fucking bullshitter. Millions of people.

Trump is going batshit crazy

Mean black lady is laughing at me!!!1

Baiting him is where her prosecutor skills are helping. Wind him up, Mama!

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, damn it!!!

Muir fact checking him with the FBI!

Do you think Republicans and undecided will be swayed by this?

I hate Trump - but he's doing better than I thought - yes, all lies.

Milllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllions of terrorists

The prosecutor has entered the building!

GURRRRRLLLLL! HIS CRIMINAL RECORD!!!!

Millions of lies you orange sack. YES TELL HIM HE IS A CRIMINAL

The more he rambles and lies, the more incoherent he sounds. He is irate, and he's lost the plot (AND this debate).

The FBI is lying!

MILLIONS of immigrants! Venezuela! We're getting Venezuelan violent immigrants! All over the world violent crime is down!

This is rich. Oh Kamala, 😍

ACTUAL FACT-CHECKING WITH FBI STATS.

Did a migrant take a shot at him in Butler, PA?

Yes, go girl!

Go prosecutor queen!!! Trigger his ass!

Oh shit! She is lighting his ass up!

David Miur is doing a great job. His serious old-school newscaster voice is very nice.

"Well I think this is so rich ...."

Hold my beer!

Holy shit! She’s bringing up his legal woes to his face. I’m living for it.

Yes felonies! YAAAASSS

I actually like his hair better this way.

Arrest the FBI!

She’s OWNING him.

If you read the headlines already, NONE of the outlets are stating. what a dumpster fire he is.

Mark my words, this scum rags numbers will IMPROVE (at least for a week or so)

We truly do live in an upside down world, and I think we must remember this-

Criminal sentencing for 34 felony counts. That'll make him even crazier!

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I ‘m exhausted!

Fuck she is tearing him up and we are only about 1/3 of the way through this!

I like the face that she's looking into the camera and addressing us as well.

He talks like a 7 year old.

[quote]Mark my words, this scum rags numbers will IMPROVE (at least for a week or so)

Kindly fuck off

HA!

She's got him talking about his own criminal cases!

He swallowed so much bait he's gonna burst.

I'm going to sleep like a baby tonite.

I AM TURNING THE PAGE, GURL!!! LIGHT HIM UP!!!

Trump ihas lost it.

He’s fucking pissed. Yeah Kamala, work this asshole down.

WEAPONIZATION!!!

FAKE CASES!!!!

If the mainstream media thinks Trump won this debate, they deserve to go under.

Lock up the Heinz bottles!

OMG! I will need a cigarette after this is all over.

Isn't it almost time for a diaper change

Those face s hrs making! Hahaha

Stable genius needs some Thorazine.

I PROBABLY TOOK A BULLET TO THE HEAD. PROBABLY!?

Oh no! Bullet to head!

SHUT UP AND DIE YOU FAT PIG

We should be so lucky he took a bullet to the head.

Probably.

The fucker is seething while Kamala talks. Work it girl.

oh, shit, the last desperate gasp. They tried to KIIILLLLL MEEEEE!!!! He was probably told to save that one, but he couldn't help it.

R543 = Kellyanne Conway.

I would like to know the plans for the country. We know Trump sucks

Elie Mystal @ElieNYC·1m

The New York Times is going to need an emergency session tonight to figure out how to make it look like Trump won

Do we have a new thread lined up?

Bullet to the head card

That scowl! Hahahaha

She is wiping the floor with this clown. She's acing it.

Op, we’re gonna need a part 2 ASAP.

He’s so pissed off right now.

She is doing an amazing job keeping her cool while he blows a gasket.

400 million and claimed bankruptcy six times!!!

She is doing awesome. If she doesn’t win Americans deserve the worst.

I love the personal attacks she throwing at him

He probably did something different with the hair so the media has something else to focus on. You know, how presidential he looked 🙄

Trump is pissed that Kamala brought up all of his crimes and convictions since he can't deflect or lie about them.

New thread

Yes, new thread *** Part 2***

He takes the bite each and every time

Any doubts I have ever had of her in Office have been completely erased in the past half hour.

I’m not laughing, are you laughing?

Thank you R589!

NEW THREAD HERE:

oh, god, that was fucking lame. And he probably rehearsed a thousand times.

She's doing transgender operations on illegal aliens. Oh my sides.

In prison, no less, R597.

I'm watching the debate on Fox and I can't wait for their comments when this thing is over. It should be fun.

He is responsible for January 6, he is full of shit! He didn’t try to stop Anything

I eat shit.

Supporters on both sides probably see something they like.

Now will everyone relax?

There's an endorsement; Victor Orban!