Is the mom to blame? This is a tough one.

Tough? How? She knew he'd be reckless and didn't give a shit..

Flynn was a freshman at the University of Dayton when his dad picked him up from college last fall and brought him home for Thanksgiving break. It was about 8:15 p.m. when he got home. He hugged his dogs, jumped in his bed and put on a movie as he waited for his friend, Kiernan, to pick him up. The two had planned to visit a friend and then come back and play video games at Flynn's house.

Just before 9 p.m., Kiernan pulled up in his mom's new BMW and the two went to their mutual friend's house nearby. The three friends spoke in the driveway for a few minutes, then Kiernan and Flynn left.

What followed was a nightmare the MacKrell family cannot shake.

Kiernan took their son on a deadly, 7-second joy ride down Ridge Road, going so fast that the $70,000 sports car split in half following impact.

Their gentle-giant Flynn — the boy who wouldn't go to Cedar Point amusement park because he didn't like roller coasters — died in fear.

"Nothing's going to end the hell we've been through," Vanker said, crying as she noted she still can't clean Flynn's room. "It's inconceivable to me I've lost my son."

"The vehicle was traveling at such a high rate of speed that the engine, transmission, front axle, and passenger compartment all separated from each other and scattered all over the roadway," an investigator wrote in his report.

Both the driver and passenger were in their seat belts.

Kiernan initially was able to step out of the vehicle on his own, but eventually collapsed and was transported to a nearby hospital with serious injuries.

Flynn was pronounced dead at the scene.

Yes and any civilized country would prosecute this stupid bitch

They rush to prosecute parents of black children, what's the hold-up?

Not a tough one at all.

Very difficult to have any sympathy for this family.

Adventures in parenthood

[quote] As one investigator wrote in his report: "There was much conversation about Kiernan taking/using his mother’s credit card without permission, being out during overnight hours without permission, and about Kiernan’s extensive reckless driving habits.”

[quote] The investigator continued: "The messages between the two suggest that Kiernan’s mother has little to no control over Kiernan. Kiernan regularly drove recklessly and took/used his mother’s credit cards without permission, despite his mother’s repeated orders not to.”

[quote] One text exchange, however, showed a cordial relationship between the two. "Will you pick up a bottle of wine?? … Please!" the mother texted her son on Oct. 2, 2023. "Sure," Kiernan responded.

[quote] One week later, his mom sent him a screenshot of a website explaining the penalties for having a fake ID.

Wait, what?

So she tells him that having a fake ID is bad, but at the same time asked him to use his fake ID to pick her up a bottle of wine?

Talk about mixed messages!

In the two weeks before the fatal crash, Life360 recorded 94 trips by Kiernan, nearly half of them over 90 mph. The highest speed recorded was on Nov. 1, when he drove 153 mph for 20 miles.

One text exchange, however, showed a cordial relationship between the two. "Will you pick up a bottle of wine?? … Please!" the mother texted her son on Oct. 2, 2023. "Sure," Kiernan responded.

One week later, his mom sent him a screenshot of a website explaining the penalties for having a fake ID.

Where's Dad? I read about the divorce, but still.

Obviously, she had no control over this kid but what about his parenting or lack thereof?

I want to know what happens to the driver. He should be tried as an adult for murder. And the mother should be tried as an accomplice.

[quote] Where's Dad? I read about the divorce, but still.

He died.

He is a legal adult. It's unconscionable to try to charge the mom.

This is infuriating. She should not have allowed him access to a car at all if he was such a reckless driver.

She needed to get together with her ex and figure out some way to get him under control. My suspicion is the mom is extremely conflict averse, suggesting she came from an abusive relationship herself.

The parents of the dead boy are claiming his mother is responsible. But if that’s true, aren’t they responsible here too, for letting their son drive around with a lunatic?

[Quote] He is a legal adult.

He was seventeen.

[Quote] an abusive relationship

An abusive FAMILY relationship

Completely agree, R10. If mom is going to be held responsible fir her asshole son, why not the asshole's father.

That said, the kid sounds like the classic entitled white boy. ,He will probably run for public office as a Republican. Of course, he'll support Trump.

[quote]Kiernan

She's guilty of giving her son an insufferable name, that's for sure.

He was mad because his parents gave him a girl’s name

is the reckless son 17 or18? if hes 18 the mother may be legally less responsible. morally she is no matter if her son is a minor or adult

Kid should absolutely be tried for murder, and be in for life. The mother.... its complicated. Kid sounds like a nightmare, but she should have got Police help with reining him in - instead of contacting him when she saw him speeding on the Life360 app she should have called him into the cops and told them to be on the lookout for him so he'd get arrested. She should also not have bought a fast car, sold what she had and bought something like an old diesel Mercedes, basically the most underpowered car she could find

She had a monitoring device on the car to see his driving habits. She knew and did nothing. That is a negligent parent by anyone's estimation.

Don't see the dilemma here. At all. Can't fix stupid. I hope the dead kid's family lawyers up to the gills and sues the living shit out of the driver's family. And I hope HE goes to prison. For a LONG time.

R20, he’s 17. I’m guessing it was in the title of the article but OP used his own thread title.

I feel bad for the family that lost their son who was the passenger. The driver and the mother of the driver are complicit in this death. Based upon all the detail regarding the cars being BMW and Audi this is a solidly upper class family. It's scary how these parents are so disconnected from cause and result that they can't act when their child is headed down a bad road. You know the driver's family is now lawyered up hoping for a settlement out of court. Both the mother and the son should be charged with the vehicular homicide the mother should be charged with reckless endangerment by not controlling her minor child.

R10 , The dad is dead

So there are reasons why I would defend the mom from being put on trial herself:

1. They divorced, and the dad died, so it seems to have thrown the whole family into a shit storm.

2. She sounds like she has a drinking problem, if she's asking her 17 year old son to buy wine for her.

3. The teen was out of control. He would be violent with her. He would break things, scream at her, and punch her.

This woman seems to have poor coping skills.

She couldn't cope with her divorce, and she didn't know how to handle her out of control teen. Everything in her texts to him suggests that she was not okay with what he was doing. But honestly, what could she do about it? He would sneak out of the house, steal from her, and then get violent if she didn't comply.

Some single moms just can't handle being a single mom, and this is the case in many households.

The biggest problem is that they clearly had money and access to expensive cars, which was at the center of the problem.

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I wouldn't kick Kiernan out of my bed, that's for sure.

A lot of blame to go around. Heartbreaking for the family of the other boy, the big tall nice guy who was killed.

If you bring a bad seed into this world, it’s your DUTY to mitigate the societal harm.

Where did you see that, r26? I read that he and the mom were divorcing and Kiernan was upset about it.

From the linked article at op:

[quote] The driver's mom, Elizabeth Puleo-Tague, of Grosse Pointe Farms, declined to be interviewed for this article. Kiernan's father, Brian Tague, is deceased. His parents divorced in 2019.

R27 Nope. It is her legal responsibility to "handle" that kid until he is 18. She failed. She gave him cars and keys. She enabled recurring (at least 94 times) reckless, illegal and life ending behavior. Kid should have been riding a bike with his track record.

[quote]But honestly, what could she do about it?

Call the cops on him while he qas out joyriding, have him arrested after assaulting her and file a restraining order- my aunt did this and they had to institutionalize my cousin as a result- and get her ass into counseling/rehab.

R27 Being a weak parent is not a defense.

The mother was afraid of him so she bought him a better, faster car. Okay.

[quote]2. She sounds like she has a drinking problem, if she's asking her 17 year old son to buy wine for her.

R27 I agree with your reasons 1 and 3, especially 3. But 2 is to me an aggravating factor

Boyfriends?

If only she had purchased him a few AR-15s, this could all have been avoided.

Boys need their mothers to take care of them and threat them as special, it keeps them calm.

[quote] The mother was afraid of him so she bought him a better, faster car. Okay.

He was driving HER car. His car was a Subaru.

This could be a Subaru ad.

A single Mom can’t really control a demonic 17-year-old who physically threatens her.

Her only option would be to institutionalize him, and I can understand her reluctance to do that. It’s easy to blame her, but I don’t think a jury will convict her. A civil suit might succeed. She presumably has money.

Frau vs. Frau

[quote] A civil suit might succeed. She presumably has money.

It makes me wonder if money might have been the reason she was so indulgent with her son.

I'm guessing that when the dad died, he had an insurance policy and assets.

Since the mom was divorced from him, the father's estate was probably left to the son and daughter (mentioned in the article).

If that was the case, then the mom was probably trustee over the son's trust money left by the dad.

Which means that it was really his money, but she was guardian over it.

Which then could explain why she was so indulgent with him, in terms of letting him take the BMW and also letting him take the credit cards.

He would probably lash out and scream at her, "It's MY MONEY!!!" which most likely complicated their relationship.

I'm just speculating, but I'll just bet you this was the case.

Typically assets go to the surviving spouse, not to the children.

But they were divorced, R45.

In which case, the father would have left his estate to his children.

That's my guess.

She didn't let him have the keys. She was out of state and, stupidly, left the BMW keys at home where asshole son had access to them.

This is a mess all the way around. I think Mom does have some culpability since she knew he was constantly speeding.

The mom probably drives poorly as well, not as recklessly as the son, but a solid "BMW" driver who taught her son some bad habits.

Mrs Tague is a textbook case for bad, irresponsible, lazy and selfish parenting, and the little hellion her husband and she brought up deserves to rot in prison. I mean, what sort of parent sees that her problematic son has had 22 documented incidents with the police since 2018, most of them related to speeding, and decides that buying a faster, more powerful car is the best solution to everything? People like these ought to be sterilized for the good of humanity.

You can’t drive a Honda in Grosse Pointe!

R42 has a point. Short of putting him in an institution, what was she supposed to do?

"18-year-old Flynn MacKrell, a stellar, 6-foot-4 swimmer known for his gentle ways, easy smile and shaggy red hair."

Bitch deserves to fry to taking out a hot ginger.

A Gold card? Not even Platinum? Throw the book at her….

Seriously, this falls more in the realm of a tort than a criminal act, on the mother’s part at least….

My reading comprehension must be poor. Did the driver die in the accident as well, or only his passenger?

It’s always infuriating when the person who causes the accident walks away from it and innocent parties die. Fuck this kid and his wino mother too (though it sounds like he victimized her somewhat also.)

[quote][R42] has a point. Short of putting him in an institution, what was she supposed to do?

Also how easy is it to institutionalise anyone in the US now? I know its damn near impossible here, which has led to a number of deaths

Could be a case of far easier said than done

No r54, he’s alive. The article OP posted isn’t very well written.

Buck could handle a BMW at 177 MPH!

Deadly.

Buck couldn’t handle a sailboat on a lake—get real.

Kiernan is boring-looking and ugly. He has the kind of face I'd like to SLAP. HARD.

lantern jaw muich, Kiernan?

The mother is a Campus Minister and Director of Senior Service at a Jesuit High School. I thought the Jesuits were strict and she is advising other Seniors in High School. It doesn't seem in her skill set.

Any sensible parent who has tons of evidence of speeding and wreck less behavior behind the wheel and yet does nothing IS responsible.

Should have had his keys and license taken away a long time ago. Fucking brat.

Don’t tarnish the Jesuits with her defects. The Jesuits are the SJW teachers of the Church. They generally provide excellent high school education all across this great country.

Excuse me. Does it say the son was 17 when he sped and killed his friend?

What’s so tough about it, OP? They’re both guilty as fuck. Shame the spoiled reckless brat won’t be thrown in jail as he’s only 17. Fucker actually gets to walk away from this.

A civil case at most and mom is sued into poverty.

I think she shares the blame. What she did was kind of like handing him a loaded gun.

Kinda? Like?

Such precise legal terminology …

A 17-year -old is considered an adult under Michigan criminal law.

Within the last hour a warrant has been issued for a family member of the driver, according to Daily Mail

I'm not a lawyer, asshole R68. So I don't use precise "legal terminology." Most people don't.

There was a similar tragedy in a park a couple of blocks from my home. A passenger was killed. Not sure what happened to the driver. As a minor the press did not release his name.

I don’t know about Michigan, but in New York the precise legal term is “-ish.”

R71 how about English grammar in the standard, active voice? Better for ya?

"wreck less behavior behind the wheel"

Turned out this was "wreck more" behavior.

I don't care if the kid was 52 years old, she knew he drove like that and still allowed him to drive HER cars. If a bar over serves someone they are legally liable because they know someone over served is going to be driving impaired. She knew her brat was driving impaired (he's an idi, that's the impairment).

And you know very little about how the law actually works. We get that, chickie.

I think she understands the law just fine

Lots of photos from the reliable tabloid.

She is absolutely responsible. Worse she obviously has the money and resources to get this supposed out of control kid help and support. Fuck her and the sociopath she raised.

[quote]Kiernan is boring-looking and ugly.

Uh-huh.

R68 is a cunt.

“ Any sensible parent who has tons of evidence of speeding and wreck less behavior ….”

Wreck less? Oh, dear, R63.

"Typically assets go to the surviving spouse, not to the children." Not really. It depends on the state, whether there was a will providing the assets went to the spouse, how the assets are titled and whether there are minor children.

They should have prayed for wreckless.

Mom could absolutely have put him in a private boarding school (with no car, take away his cell) for kids with behavioral disorders — or, better still, one of those wilderness camps where there are often fatalities. Send him to one of those. Send the POS to brat camp.

[quote] or, better still, one of those wilderness camps where there are often fatalities

Did you know they have age limits for those things?

Who says kindergarteners can’t benefit from a bit of adventure?

Anyway . . .

[quote] Mom could absolutely have put him in a private boarding school (with no car, take away his cell) for kids with behavioral disorders

So he too could grow up to be President

She's a youth leader, a sort of lay Catholic youth minister. Also a brand strategist, whatever that is.

[bold]Aiding and Abetting[/bold]

{quote]The legal term aiding and abetting refers to a person’s action to help, support, or approve of someone else’s illegal act. Aiding and abetting is a crime in itself, held against those who would somehow assist a criminal – short of physically contributing to the illegal act. In many jurisdictions, aiding and abetting is the same as an “accessory” to the crime.

But IANAL, so maybe someone can explain why this would not incriminate the mother.

Sue her ass. She should be in jail. She could have locked up the keys to the car, and should have, and didn't.

Are they going to use the "affluenza" defense?

R90 you are quoting general concepts and not the applicable law in that state. Capice?

Kid belongs in jail.

Mother should be prosecuted, as well.

Kid and mother should be sued for wrongful death and all that money they have to throw around on expensive cars should be given to family of dead kid.

Michigan is the state where a school-shooter’s parents were found guilty of manslaughter for ignoring the warning signs. Sure seems like she could be in serious trouble, though reckless driving is not the same as an intentional school shooting.

[quote]They rush to prosecute parents of black children, what's the hold-up?

Have any African-American parents been held accountable? The only parents who have been held responsible are the Crumbleys

The Jesuits are “the SJW teachers of the Church”, R64? I’d like to hear more about that.

You’re all so quick to blame the mother.

It’s not the same. Stop there—now.

R96: Maryknolls, maybe. Jesuits, not so much,

Catholic Workers maybe. And even they accept the misogyny.

They are the parallel female and male orders. There’s a reason the Vatican historically feared the Jesuits…or ask any boy who did required social service at a school with Jesuit or Loyola or Xavier, etc. as part of its name.

She should have sent the asshole to military school.

I had a teenage client who bought a Jeep on his way home from school, after buying two computers in a week's time because one was better than the other. The father joked, "What am I going to do with this kid?"

I told him flat out to return the Jeep, take the credit cards away and ground the kid at home after school until he turned eighteen.

I thought to myself, "You gotta' be serious..."

"In November of last year, days before the crash, another fight would break out between the two, this time at home, during which Kiernan broke a table after his mom refused to let him use one of her two cars.

'I simply asked you to take your car... yet you refused. Now I'm running late and we have a broken table,' Kiernan texted on Nov. 3, 2023, according to the report viewed by the Free Press."

This kid is an abuser who kept his mother in a constant state of fear. He had been arrested many times (since age 11) but the authorities did little to make him pay for his offenses. Free reign with a heightened level of arrogance to strike again without fear of repercussions.

He took the keys when his mother was away visiting Canada. I think the victim's parents are looking for a payday so they're going after the mom.

Jesuit high school and undergrad student here. The Jesuits ARE the social justicey warriors. Justicey. Top notch education and a year of social service. But, they’re still Catholics.

Stuff like this makes me so very glad to be childfree.

If you are against gays and female leadership and are part of an organization that covers up for sex abusers, you don’t get to be called SJW.

The institution may be "against gays", but many/most of the priests aren't, especially when they are "up against" them in the flesh.

I knew plenty of gay-friendly Jesuits!

As an adult, consensually.

Who am I to judge?

Is he going to be tried and convicted as an adult? Asking for few friends, as well as myself.

He’s being tried as a Michwymyn.

I went to HS with a boy whose Dad owned a dealership. Dad would give the kid a car and he'd wreck it until he got the car he wanted (a new Mustang). Our HS parking lot was full of hand-me-down cars like Buick Estate wagons with fake wood panelling. I would have let him take the bus rather than keep buying him something to drive.

They had cars at your high school? Where I lived it was Schwinn, skateboard or walk. In that order.

The teen driver reminds me of the kid in this video I watched this morning.

Yes, R114. I graduated in 1980. We had buses for all schools; parents ddn't take kids to school unless they missed the bus. We didn't have sidewalks in most areas. Hell, it's 2024 and we've had sidewalks and traffic signals with walk signs but not until easily the 2010s.

"Are they going to use the "affluenza" defense?"

No, we're going for Gay Panic.

Busses? Weren’t you fancy!

Why did Mom have such high-performance cars? At the very least, she could have replaced her cars with Subarus.

She needed a backbone.

She'll probably now spend tons of money on attorneys for him.

She can, at least, have him out of the house for a while.

If he's 17, who knows how long he'll spend in prison. (Might not be very long.)

[quote] If he's 17, who knows how long he'll spend in prison. (Might not be very long.)

When he gets home, I'm sure his mom is in for a good beating and verbal beat down.

"This is all YOUR FAULT!!!!"

17 is a legal adult in Michigan criminal law. No special treatment.

[QUOTE]Mom could absolutely have put him in a private boarding school (with no car, take away his cell) for kids with behavioral disorders — or, better still, one of those wilderness camps where there are often fatalities. Send him to one of those. Send the POS to brat camp.

Maybe, but remember there was a divorce we know very little about. An involuntary committment hospitalization would have required the consent of both parents if not just custodial, but legal parents.

Tee hee. It reminds me of that old song Son, you’re gonna drive me to drink in’ if you don’t stop drivin’ that hot rod Lincoln. So madcap!

[quote]The mom probably drives poorly as well, not as recklessly as the son, but a solid "BMW" driver who taught her son some bad habits.

R48, My dad was very fond of the saying: "Didn't lick it off the grass!" It's related to/a variation of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" -- but specifically about *learned* behaviors.

Call me, if it’s not too late.

Tv report.

[quote] My dad was very fond of the saying: "Didn't lick it off the grass!" It's related to/a variation of "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" -- but specifically about *learned* behaviors.

I don’t get it. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[QUOTE]If you are against gays and female leadership and are part of an organization that covers up for sex abusers, you don’t get to be called SJW.

You are fervently and willfully ignorant. Tell us you're from a deep rural area in an even further deeper red QAnon state from your provenance. Stupid, willfully ignorant POS.

So, the Catholics are social justice warriors?

What am I missing? I’m supposed to be impressed with Jesuits?

R29 hundreds of millions are—yes

Before or after they fund the closeted child fuckers?

they are an order of scholars.

And priests.

Willful ignorance about Jesuits in these "days of rage" from hateful right- wing alleged "Christian" denominations? Amusing and total fucking bullshit.

But back to mom.......what an odd career trajectory and yet non of that brand strategizing or spiritual stuff has helped her with parenting.

See, now you are willfully ignorant. Would you make the same argument against Jews?!

Please understand the Church is not a monolith —nor does it demand heterodoxy in beliefs. There are tens of millions across the world who follow the precepts of the Gospels—Good News for Man to people like you, without being trapped in the rest of it.

I can’t imagine the hurt done to so many people by the institution or its leaders. But I can understand what it is like to want to follow core concepts …including social justice… that go back a long way.

I’ve not been in a Catholic Church since my confirmation, except for a wedding, funeral or artwork. But I learned how to do unto others, to care for the least of us and to hope for a better day in a better world.

*demand orthodoxy

!

R127: Meaning...a behavior doesn't just develop out of thin air, like catching a cold. The saying has it roots in Northern Ireland (all my father's antecedents were from Ireland, my grandparents no doubt used it). I've also heard "didn't lick it off a stone."

Ancestors

The kid's father was a "strategy consultant", whatever that is. I suspect neither parent had a strategy for this kid. He has a younger brother, too,

Not much covereage of Tague's injuries--he apparently walked away and then collapsed going to the hospital.

A better link about the death and the Tague.

There’s blame to go around here. Outward bound has a program in which troubled youth are left in the Minnesota winter with a tent and enough food for a week. They have to hike 200 miles on snowshoes using only a compass and a chart to navigate. If they don't show up on time they send out a crew to get the kid or their remains. They come back with a different outlook. High doses of psychedelics can do a chemical reform too.

My theory: Mommy bought the BMW and left the keys out specifically for the little prick to go kill himself during one of his reckless joyrides. Unfortunately, he lived and his friend died. Oh well, she tried!

Cosmo/r116, where do you live, The Middle of Nowhere?

R144 = Mrs Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, CO

I also grew up in a situation where kids took the bus or walked. There was a student parking lot, but none of my friends had their own cars. All of this parents chauffeuring their kids around still seems nuts, to me. Also, parents buying kids cars at 16 or whatever is still kind of crazy to me.

The mom should have bought slow cars for the family to use knowing what she did about her irresponsible son. There are stylish cars that don't have much speed.

That's what my dad did when I was a teen. He was into buying, rehabbing, and selling quality used cars for profit. Starting at 18 when I graduated high school he gifted me with one "unique" (not stylish) car after another, none of them having high speed power. I was just grateful to have free wheels. Chevy Nova, some huge Oldsmobile previously owned by an old lady who dented it every time she left the garage, then a Ford Pinto (repaired gas tank, they were known to explode) before I started buying my own cars.

Dad had a lead foot himself though, and when he was diagnosed with at terminal illness he leased a Camaro that he drove for the final years of his life. I like to speed, too, but I speed responsibly.

She's living in Grosse Pointe. I don't know the relative pecking order of the Grosse Pointes, but she's got money or a need to appear so. So Audi (premium gas, quelle expensive) and a BMW.

The mother has a warrant out for her

R148 or just don't buy the little f***** a car because there's no law that requires teenagers to have a vehicle or anyone for that matter.

Who did you attempt to address, r137?

[quote] The mom should have bought slow cars for the family to use knowing what she did about her irresponsible son. There are stylish cars that don't have much speed.

How about an electric car?

That would have been perfect, because they can't go over 80. Lol.

[quote] I kind of feel sorry for the mom.

She looks like a drunk old lady at R89.

Kiernan was a swimmer, too.

Third from left.

[quote] Major update in death of teen killed by spoiled friend Kiernan Tague who was speeding in BMW - as cops request warrant for 'family member' of boy behind the wheel

Michigan officials have requested a warrant for a relative of a teen accused of killing an 18-year-old star swimmer in a horror crash - as the victim's parents demand the driver's mom be held accountable for the tragedy.

Flynn MacKrell was killed instantly last November when then-16-year-old Kiernan Tague lost control of his mother's BMW while going over 100mp in a 25mph residential zone in Grosse Pointe.

The MacKrells say their son's death could have been prevented by Kiernan's mother Elizabeth Puleo-Tague, a campus minister at a Jesuit high school who allegedly knew Kiernan had a speeding habit but failed to keep him away from her BMW.

The Wayne County prosecutor's office told DailyMail on Wednesday that Gross Pointe police has requested a warrant for a relative of Kiernan, though they could not confirm that it was for his mother Elizabeth.

'He had no regards for his passenger's safety, no regard for pedestrian safety, and the mother knew it,' Flynn's father Thad Mackrell told Good Morning America on Wednesday.

'Any reasonable person would have done something very, very simple - they would have taken the keys away, and she didn't do it, and our son is dead.'

Kiernan has been charged with second degree murder over his friend's death, but the MacKrells say they want his mother held responsible, too.

'Every day we wake up in shock and disbelief that our beloved Flynn is gone,' said the star swimmer's heartbroken mother Anne Vanker.

The MacKrells are pointing to the case of Oxford shooter Ethan Crumbley, whose parents were convicted of involuntary manslaughter in a landmark case earlier this year for providing the gun that he used to kill four people.

Kiernan lost control of the vehicle just five minutes later while traveling at 105mph, hitting a pole and then a tree. The force of the impact obliterated his mother's BMW X3 M and killed Flynn, a standout swimmer at the University of Dayton.

Kiernan escaped with his life but is now out on bond awaiting trial after being charged with second-degree murder in March. His trial is set for February, 2025.

DailyMail has reached out to Elizabeth for comment on this story.

Elizabeth's employer, University of Detroit Jesuit High School and Academy refused to comment when reached by DailyMail on Wednesday.

As previously reported, Elizabeth is being investigated by police after text messages emerged showing she was aware of her son's speeding habit - which she had intimate knowledge of through a GPS app called Life360.

Flynn's parents previously told The Detroit Free Press that Elizabeth should face criminal charges, with his devastated mother Anne stating: 'It's like she handed him an AR-15.'

Ruh Roh!

[quote]Investigators also found a 2020 police report she made alleging her son had “assaulted her and fled the area.” The alleged out-of-control teen was being picked up at his friend’s house and became angry at his mother, according to the report. “While in the front seat, Kiernan turned around and began punching his mother (who was in the back seat) and even bit her on her hand.” Tague was arrested for domestic violence and was sent to the Wayne County youth home for an unknown amount of time, the outlet reported.

He treated his mom like this when he was only 13 and was arrested for domestic violence, but it sounds like last year she was treating him like a rebellious teenage son instead of a possibly disordered or mentally ill son. Maybe she was in denial. She should have gotten him serious help after calling the police on him four years ago. Blowing all of the psychological stuff off (if that's what she did) and trying to discipline him as if he was an average teen was a recipe for disaster.

Did he never get speeding tickets?

"My son uses his bb gun to shoot kittens, likes to draw graphic comics of his classmates with blood spurting from their bodies, and thinks the only thing wrong with Hitler and Stalin is that they didn't kill more people. I know just the thing to make him happy. A semiautomatic for his birthday! Yay!"

-Dumbass American parents.

[quote] Kiernan was a swimmer, too.

[quote]Third from left.

R155 there are only 4 people in that photo…

She texts him "Slow the fuck down."

She thought they were friends, not parent and child. She should be charged.

Mom And Dad.

Michigan cops probably declined to pull him over because he’s such a good kid with a bright future. We will see if the 36th District Court (hopefully the entertaining, Zoom-friendly Judge Bryant) feels the same way.

Moms are to blame. Dads get a pass. Everybody knows they’re useless

Dad is dead.

He doesn't even seem to have an obit.

If your child is showing signs of being a school shooter you can 1) take away his access to guns, 2) alert the authorities and 3) get psychiatric help. Not so clear what to do if he keeps stealing your car for reckless joy rides.

I don’t think we want to establish a general principle that a parent is criminally liable for a child’s criminal behavior.

I lived in the Pointes long years ago. This is so typical!!! There was so much bad shit going on and the cops covered it up all the time. All the time. Yes go after the parents, and go after the kid if he is still alive, but investigate those local police departments that always cleaned up their messes and even escorted the drug addled little princes back home after flagrant acts of vandalism, B & E s and speeding. Too bad they didn't use Lakeshore Drive as their speedway as our generation used to. The fuckers would have driven right into the fucking Lake St. Claire and drowned. That driver sounds like he is certifiable. Mentally Ill. VIolent? Punching his mother, she tells the cos she is afraid of him? WTF? Hey, in Grosse Pointe you can do that.

Wine Mom!

One of the reasons we have very local control over police departments is so a community has some control over how police handle juvenile crime. If a wealthy community wants the police to coddle drunk teenagers, that’s what the police will do. Not sure that’s bad for the community.

[quote] He doesn't even seem to have an obit.

He's still alive, Rose/R167!

R173, multiple articles state that Kiernan’s father is dead.

While nobody can find an obit on line, my guess is that he died of embarrassment.

R161 needs an executive functioning exam.

Ma sounds like she is a drunk We had a LOT drunken parents in the Pointes. IMO., the kid should hve been undercare a long time ago for demonstrating unhinged behavior. This reminds me of Adam Lanza and his mother. She knew he was nuts.. Yet she took him to the shooting range and let him have access to guns. Then he blew her face off and killed a lot of little kids. Same damned thing.

She had kids, so she's okay in my book. She should be given two votes instead of one.

R168 have him arrested for theft. Keep your car keys away from him. Get him some psychological help. All things she could've done and couldn't be bothered.

[quote]MacKrell's family is asking Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy

Lol. Good fucking luck with that one.

[quote]In 2020, police responded to another call from the mom, who alleged "that Kiernan had just assaulted her and fled the area." According to a police report, Kiernan was being picked up at his friend’s house and became angry at his mother. "While in the front seat, Kiernan turned around and began punching his mother (who was in the back seat) and even bit her on her hand." Kiernan was arrested for domestic violence and lodged at the Wayne County youth home.

Also, sounds like Kiernan needed my mom. That woman, as Eddie Griffin once stated about his mother, "Beat me out of the penitentiary." He lacks a healthy fear of her.

Must be nice to be raised on the right side of 8 mile.

The driver ultimately takes responsibility for their passengers, so no the mom is not to blame.

Next!

[quote]Must be nice to be raised on the right side of 8 mile.

Grosse Pointe is nowhere near 8 mile. Technically, it's the "right side" of Conner. That environment shift going east on Jefferson out of downtown is hilariously noticeable.

They have a whole wall on Mack that blocks off the East Side of Detroit which is directly next door.

Not if the driver is a minor driving a car registered to mommy, r181.

R183 I've given my verdict. Next!

It's been ages since I've been around Grosse Pointe---where would Kiernan have been able to drive 140 mph around there? Would he have to go to Detroit or an adjacent suburb to do that?

[quote] It's been ages since I've been around Grosse Pointe---where would Kiernan have been able to drive 140 mph around there?

That's the crazy part of this story.

He was driving around a residential neighborhood at that speed!

Dumb fucker.

Epilepsy? Asthma? Gay Panic?

How is this any different from a battered wife? Punching the mother, destroying furniture then telling her "Look what you made me do."

[quote] R168] have him arrested for theft. Keep your car keys away from him. Get him some psychological help. All things she could've done and couldn't be bothered.

Giving your adult son a criminal record is not something most parents would do. Short of keeping her car keys in a safe, there is no way to stop him from taking them when she is asleep. We don’t know whether or not she got him any psychiatric help, but it’s not a magic bullet that would stop his reckless driving.

There is a big difference between knowing your kid drives recklessly which may or may not lead to a fatal accident and giving a potential school shooter access to a gun.

She should have bought a Kia.

[quote] Giving your adult son a criminal record is not something most parents would do.

If the little shit punched me in the face like he was alleged to have done to his mother, I would have given him more than a criminal record. Once your darling baby boy crosses that invisible threshold of physical violence against a parent, all rules go out the window. A little sassy back talk is normal from a teenager but fists? I would never house someone who put their hands on me. Offspring or not, I would never tolerate physical violence in my home. This incident should be a wake-up call for the fucker, but I doubt he'll learn anything if mommy continues to make excuses and cover for him.

She freely provided him with the weapon that killed. I hope they both rot.

Easy to talk when it’s not your life.

In March, Tague was charged with second-degree murder and is out on bail awaiting trial in Wayne County.

[quote] Also, sounds like Kiernan needed my mom. That woman, as Eddie Griffin once stated about his mother, "Beat me out of the penitentiary." He lacks a healthy fear of her.

Your mom sounds like one smart cookie.

[quote]If the little shit punched me in the face like he was alleged to have done to his mother, I would have given him more than a criminal record.

My dad once told us that if any of us ever raised a hand against our mom, he'd put us in our grave. Which I thought was weird, because it's something none of us would ever have considered. But I believed him when he said it!

[quote]Your mom sounds like one smart cookie.

You've gotta know when to stop just short of killing them, Mrs. Ramsey.

It's a skill southern and POC moms tend to have. Very delicate. Takes years of training.

Yeah, she fucked him up bad. It's her fault. She didn't raise him right

Wello as I recall he did have a father. They were getting divorced. But he did have a father. Maybe the father was a POS who showed his son it was OK to punch Mom in the face.. She told cops she was afraid of him. So obviously she didn't get any support when he acted out. Because if I ever raised my hand to my mother, I'd have been on the floor with a busted lip bleeding on myself. That kid needed to be in treatment, in some kind of institution. He was totally out of control and now, he is a candidate for incarceration in the prison system.

maybe he blames the mother for the divorce...thus all the hateful things he does to her

If he were living with his father (single father), would people be assigning blame to his father?

He sounds like a bad seed, punching his mother in the face. She sounds totally inept and weak-willed.

[quote] "I have screen shots of you ... doing 123 mph ... It scares me to my bone."

She sounds so stupid with just her one bone.

The kid is the walking definition of a 'punk' with no boundaries and was allowed to get away with too much.

I feel for the parents of brats - because sometimes it really IS NOT the parents' fault. Some kids are just monsters - seriously.

But she knew his driving record - it was extensive. If my parents found out I went over 100 mph once - they would have killed me.

she let him have his way too much when he was a kid. She spoiled him, never disciplined him when needed.

She should've sent that little shit to military school.

[quote] She sounds like she has a drinking problem, if she's asking her 17 year old son to buy wine for her.

She was proably too drunk to leave the house and drive to the store herself.

Kill everyone involved…the kid, mother and the absent father.

Some mothers of sons are just way too soft with their boys and end up raising delinquents that the rest of society has to discipline and/or put up with. And when they do fuck around a find out, these types of moms will usually whine and complain because "How dare you do this to my precious baby boy!"

Meanwhile, if we ever had to get roughed up by school authorities or law enforcement, our mom would've gotten mad at us for fucking up, apologized on our behalf, and then beat our asses when we got back home for "embarrassing her."

I used to joke when I was younger that if I ever messed up so badly that the cops had to take me into custody, I would beg them to not call her.

Cops: "But, you're a minor. We legally have to inform a parent or guardian that we have you in custody."

Me: "PLEASE just tell her I died and you found the body!"

And even still, she'd probably be mad at me if they found my body because, "I TOLD her disobedient, narrow, ass to stay from around there! Did her stupid ass get shot??"

Yeah, not our mom's household. And she did it by herself. So, the "no daddy" excuse only goes so far, here. This woman is just feckless. He didn't need a goddamn sportscar. Could've taken him up to Feldman Kia and got a damn 2016 Soul or something. He's 17, ffs.

[quote] There was a student parking lot, but none of my friends had their own cars. All of this parents chauffeuring their kids around still seems nuts, to me. Also, parents buying kids cars at 16 or whatever is still kind of crazy to me.

When I was in high school in the early 90s we all had our own cars that our parents bought for us when we got our drivers' licenses at 16. I grew up in rural CT which had no public transportation.

Granted, back in those days you could buy an old car cheap. We weren't driving BMWs, Audis etc. like the kids do now. We all drove old Fords, Chryslers etc. from the 80s but we were just glad to have a car.

r161 is retarded

She should have swallowed him