Remembering Sharon Tate on the 55th Anniversary of her Death

Oh goody good witchy fun nothing better than a DL Manson thread! Fuck the Pigs!

I think Rose Byrne would have made a better Sharon in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood than Margot. Too bad the movie wasn’t filmed a decade ago.

She looks much more beautiful in candid shots than in any of the posed ones. Very modern. What a tragedy for her and her child. Imagining the terror she and the others must have felt in their final moments kept me up at night when I first read about it.

Could we please stop focusing only on the beautiful pregnant actress and include the rest of the victims that died that day?

Abigail Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Steven Parent, Jay Sebring

It's the anniversary of their death too, but they weren't so beautiful or pregnant, so I guess the media can forget about them.

Jay Sebring was a hot little pocket gay. He was the second hottest so we should talk about him the second most. How would you rank them in hotness?

She had an exquisite face, like an American Catherine Deneuve. No one since has had that look. Margot Robbie is a different kind of gorgeous but even she didn’t match the radiance of Sharon. Absolutely monstrous what happened to her. I think the feeling of helplessness had to have been the worst part.

She made a sexy splash in The Last of the Fearless Vampire Killers. I was an adolescent and I remember her clearly in the film (then making rounds of the art theaters) and some pics from it in Playboy. In a time of free love, she was perfect.

Lucy would've been there, but Gary talked her out of it.

And then we got Mame.

Jay Sebring was a principal on an episode of To Tell the Truth.

Didn't know he was in education before becoming a hairdresser.

Sharon Tate's sister Patti was a near dead ringer for her--like Sharon, she died far too young:

Sharon went to school at the same elementary school at the same time as eventual (record holder) serial killer Dean Corll- South Shaver Elementary in Pasadena, Texas (Urban Cowboy was filmed there).

You know they've done two Manson Murder movies. I'm not talking about Brad Pitt and Leo, I'm talking about two made for TV movies. I remember really liking the first one I saw with Steven Railsback as Charlie Manson. The second version wasn't as good IMO. But I wish they would make a real movie about it with decent actors and a well written story. It could be really good.

R4 Even the police officer who discovered the bodies couldn’t help but remark on how “gorgeous” she was.

I think it was partially due to her angelic and innocent face. The heinous and seemingly satanic nature of the crime juxtaposed with her “purity” symbolized the ultimate atrocity.

I had the distinct displeasure of seeing the crime scene photos in person and I wish I could delete that memory from my brain.

Went to the Museum of Death (on the insistence of a friend who is a true crime fan) not knowing it was gonna be a Museum of Random Serial Killer Memorabilia.

I see a lot of people blame Roman Polanski’s predatory behavior on her death but he had told Sharon to abort their baby and when she didn’t he went to London to publicly cheat on her. It’s so sad to think she was being abused by that monster in the final months of her life.

Sharon’s own words told me all I need to know about Polanski being a horrible person. “We have a great arrangement. Roman lies to me and I pretend to believe him.”

There's an excellent podcast You Must Remember Manson series by Karina Longworth, where she goes into exceptional detail about Manson but has a couple of episodes specifically around Sharon, Roman, their relationship and Roman afterwards. Roman was indeed a terrible person and husband to Sharon.

Her final scene in VOD is very touching.

Funny you should mention that, r4. I re-read Helter Skelter recently and Sharon Tate gets way more of a background story than the other victims. There's definitely this unspoken understanding that she was the "main" victim of the Manson murders.

[quote]But I wish they would make a real movie about it with decent actors and a well written story. It could be really good.

Maybe in 10-15 years when most or all of those involved are dead. Tarantino had to do a lot of work to smooth things over with the families.

R21 It happened at her home, after all.

Her final moments were harrowing. She was the last to die, having witnessed the deaths of everyone before her. She pleaded to give birth to her baby, saying, “and then you can kill me.” But they showed no mercy, and she screamed “mother, mother” as they stabbed her to death.

If she wasn't a celebrity no one would even be talking about this 55 years later.

I think it's more what Tarantino was saying: it changed LA a s changed celebrity. It's like Kent State in the sense that it ended the 60's for that part of life.

Rose Byrne and Keira Knightley are the only modern actresses who resemble Sharon, imo. Both too old for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, of course. All three have an ethereal, otherworldly, doe-eyed beauty that’s hard to replicate.

R25 But she was jackass, she was. She was murdered for being a celeb living in Beverly Hills.

They were renting the house and had been living there for less than 6 months, r23. The house wasn't targeted because of her.

R28 what language are you speaking?

She was probably murdered for living in the house that was previously rented to Terry Melcher, who Manson felt burned him on a record deal. Susan Atkins said the murders were done to "instill fear" in Melcher. Manson was reported to have visited the house on more than one occasion asking for Melcher, but was told that Melcher had moved. Rudi Altobelli owned the house.

Gorgeous, yet kind face (that’s unusual). Liz Taylor had Sharon cut from The Sandpiper. When Debra Tate later asked her about it, Liz replied, "Of course I had Sharon cut from the film. Have you seen your sister?"

Who dat? She dead or summin?

R29 I didn't say the house was targeted because of her. I was responding to someone who mentioned she got more coverage in the book Helter Skelter than the other murder victims. I was suggesting part of the reason for this may have been that it was her home, the house she and Polanski were renting. Another couple (Folger and Frykowski) were living there as guests, and the other person was visiting her. I. e she was the host.

R30 English Blanche, English.

*I. e., she was the host that night.

Sharon Tate was absolutely beautiful and all the blonde bombshells in the decade to come do not even compare. Sharon Stone came close. Margot Robbie is on her level of beauty tho.

Margot Robbie is very pretty but she is absolutely not on Sharon Tate’s level of beauty. To be fair, almost no one is.

Anna Nicole Smith was the only modern blonde on her level

There’s a social media group, not sure which one, of her classmates at Pasadena (TX) High School discussing her. She had made cheerleader her freashman year, then they suddenly moved. Her classmates described her is very glowing terms- sweet, beautiful, effervescent.

Jesus - can’t DL let this bland, deadbeat actress DIE?

R25, whether or not Sharon had been one of the victims, this was such a heinous crime they would still be discussing it now. They just had another thread about the Los Feliz murder house which happened in 1959. No celebs just a dad with a hammer and a mission.

R42 I had never hear of that murder until I read that thread.

R41 A legendary beauty, a legendary crime. No, she will be talked about until the end of time. Unfortunately not for the reasons she would have liked.

You know how bitchy fags can be.

R41 Why do you call her a deadbeat?

A few years ago her sister auctioned off all of her personal belongings, including things like used makeup, lingerie and perfume. Was she really that hard up for cash? I remember reading Kim Kardashian bought several items. Dumpy Kim couldn’t even fit half a tit in Tate’s brassiere.

[quote]r46 Why do you call her a deadbeat?

Because she was virtually talent free.

Only on DL would a an old queen call beautiful ass viciously murdered Sharon Tate a deadbeat because she wasn’t the greatest dramatic actress. Too funny.

R48 Not true. She would have blossomed into a fine comedic actress.

I thought Sharon gave the most effective - and affecting - performance in VOTD. Considering Patty Duke's laughably histrionic acting and Barbara Parkins' wooden delivery, that might not be saying much, but still. Sharon was only 26 when she was killed, so we'll never know the full extent of her talent or what she may have achieved. I didn't think Farrah Fawcett could act her way out of a paper bag until I saw her in Extremities, and she was 40 then.

R48 I think of a deadbeat as someone who avoids responsibilities or doesn't pay bills or debts, or child support.

Check this out. So glad it didn't move forward.

R53 Sharon's life was relatively unremarkable, notable mainly for her beauty and her tragic demise. It's hard to understand the appeal of a biopic about her unless it's a horribly exploitative recreation of *that* night, like the ill-conceived Hilary Duff turkey from a few years ago.

I'm in my 60s and readily accept or enjoy a lot of current films, TV, music etc. but I don't get what Tarantino is driving at. I like OUATIH but why does he sort of slavishly recreate the events and atmosphere, then change history at the end? I was with the film until then. (I know he has done this before but truthfully I don't go to a lot of his movies, I don't care for them.) I felt like I sat through a whole, realistic recreation of the late '60s and events leading up to the Manson murders only to suddenly be watching a cartoon at the end.

R54 Unremarkable? She is considered one of the most beautiful women of all time. She was an up and coming actress. She was married to the legend Roman Polanski. She was murdered by one of the most famous cults of all time. If you read the stories of those who knew her in Pasadena, TX, and other places, she had a very interesting life destined for stardom.

R56 Sorry, I stand by what I said. I don’t think there’s enough material for a Sharon Tate biopic that doesn’t include sex, drugs, rock n roll and murder. And given that the Bosworth movie was endorsed by Debra Tate as a “proper, respectful” portrayal I have to imagine it would have been pretty dull.

Kate Bosworth??? Isn’t she in her 40s? Young Keira Knightley really would have been the perfect choice for a Sharon biopic.

Keira has that jaw thing (mandible) going on. You'd have to shoot her at very specific angles. Even Margot Robbie has a few unflattering angles, but Tarantino was able to capture her in a flattering light.

Debra Tate recalls the immediate aftermath of Sharon’s death.

R59, Sharon Tate had a strong jaw and chin also

Larry Tate was a good actor as well.

Jay Sebring on TTTT.

R61, not comparable. Keira's jaw issue makes her look as if she also has an underbite. Sharon's jaw was in proportion to her features and facial structure. To each their own.

Disneyland's Haunted Mansion opened for the first time on the same day.

I was eight years old the first time my family took a vacation in 1969 and we went to Los Angeles. We were there for about three weeks in July, I remember watching the moon landing on the motel room TV. The Manson murders happened a couple of days after we got back and my mom freaked the fuck out about it and said we were never going back there for vacation.

[quote]Keira Knightley

That untalented Olmec Head bitch?

R66 so your mom basically was the first Frau MARY.

R41 is a fucking moron.

From what I recall reading about the case, Charles Manson fancied himself a song writer/musician and he had been to that house more than once trying to get something happening for his "recording career" because one of the Beach Boys or someone connected to them lived there. I think Doris Day's son, Terry Melcher, a marginally successful as a record producer, met with Charlie at the house or he owned the house, or something, anyway, Charles was never taken seriously and he was roundly dismissed by those people and so he chose that house hoping to get back at them. But of course they had moved on and Sharon and Roman had the house.

Dennis Wilson.

Read the "Manson Family" section:

I still think it’s disgusting that Leslie Van Houten was granted parole. Who cares if she’s “reformed” or “found god” or whatever she claims. When are Sharon Tate and the others going to be granted parole and come home?

And to think Leslie Van Houten now walks free. I hope she has a miserable existence.

Someone on DL was able to find a site that showed movies.All kinds, foreign, American old and new, and Helter Skelter was on it. I also have one other, it's a serial killer movie about Ted Bundy called The Deliberate Stranger with Mark Harmon. It was really good. I wish I could remember the site

R39, Anna Nicoke had a major gummy smile that took her outside the Tate realm of utter flawless gorgeousness. Also, she was at times fat.

And Ana couldn’t act for shit. It would have been a trainwreck. And she wasn’t as pretty.

[quote] I remember reading Kim Kardashian bought several items. Dumpy Kim couldn’t even fit half a tit in Tate’s brassiere.

Kim always trying to cash in on dead, blonde, beauties.

John Phillips of rhe Mamas and Papas related a story in his autobiography about riding in a car with 12 year old Patti Tate, Sharon's sister, after the murders and being pursued by a man following them in a car. He had Patti holding a gun(!). Wtf was that about?

I've always find Sharon's sister Debra to be such a tragic figure. She's the last survivor of her immediate family. Some of her remebrances are hard to swallow - she claims she arranged (as a 17 year old) to be allowed to visit Manson in prison, sitting across from him with no words spoken. Would her parents or the police have allowed this? C'mon on. She did appaently spend time at Cielo the summer Sharon was gone, Gibby Folger taking her around to prospective private schools where Deb could attend her senior year. Gibby had graduated from Crystal Springs, an exclusive Catholic girls school (Patty Hearst attended in the 70's), where Sharon Gless was a classmate. Debra said Sharon was her buffer from her strict parents. Debra later posed for Oui, dated Arnold Schwartzenger, became a make up artist and was estranged from her family.

I forever remember that day. I learned what a horrible world we live in. It was shocking. Soon after that, there was the first “ mass murder “ I remember .

A bobs big boy in west l.a. on Robertson . I remember hearing that the shooter “ herded the employees” into the freezer and shot and killed them.

It was welcome to the horrors of the world 101 in LA

She wasn't more beautiful than Keira Knightley and others. She most resembles Rose Byrne, who's very attractive but has an individual look.

I like her painted on “ Twiggy” eyelashes on the lower lid. I watched my sister paint hers on .

R80, she certainly was more beautiful than Knightley and Rose Byrne.

"Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" is one of the rare instances where the character (of Sharon Tate) was played by someone *less* attractive.

I guess, R83, but Robbie is still maybe one of the most beautiful women on the earth.

No doubt about it, R84.

People who follow the Manson murders closely can be extremely touchy.

[quote] "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" is one of the rare instances where the character (of Sharon Tate) was played by someone *less* attractive.

True also of anyone who plays JFK, Jr.

Ms Debra Tate, y'all.

One of the weirdest people circulating in the Manson family murder community is Rosie Tate Polanski, who claims to be the fetus Sharon was carrying when she was murdered.

So, she transitioned in the womb, R89? Sharon would have given birth to a boy.

Not if the knife hit just so, R90.

I can’t find the clip, but here is the lunatic, Rosie Tate Polanski

That's hilarious, R92. I wonder how she thought she was born, exactly?

And the poor kid probably would have had a beautiful face and a nose like a shark fin.

R94, why a shark fin?

Cannot talk about the Tate sisters without remembering Larry King's infamous interview of Debra at a time when talk of extraditing Roman Polanski was in the news. When Debra mentioned speaking to Polanski, the famously unprepared Larry asked her if it was hard to have a civil conversation with someone "who so brutally murdered" her sister. An astonished Debra said, "Roman Polanski didn't murder my sister." Larry then awkwardly to recover from his utterly mindless question.

^ tried to recover

Wow that Qui article on Deb Tate.....she was Madonna before Madonna was Madonna.

I loved the house!

Was Sharon Tate on bewitched?

That was Larry Tate.

She was so beautiful

What was her face shape?

She was the least experienced actress in Valley of the Dolls and the only one who managed to come across as a real human being.

I loved OUATIH. In the scene outside the movie theater, the ticket booth employee asks Sharon to pose for a photo by the poster of her movie so “people will know who she is.” Chilling.

Her face was perfect but it lacked any character. It was bland. Blank. Like a beautiful mannequin. She was typical of her times too, one of those really beautiful girls who never had to develop a personality.

[quote]Was Sharon Tate on bewitched?

She was a semi-regular on The Beverly Hillbillies, r100. She was a secretary in Mr Drysdale's bank.

R106 YOU ARE NUTS. She was flawless.

There's always some critics of beauty like R106 offering their two-bit opinions.

Who in their right mind would cast fucking Hilary Duff to play Sharon? This movie was so bad, critics called it offensive to her memory.

I would have expected more from a Hillary Duff horror film...

Why, R111?

Tate was beautiful but in a sexy movie-starlet kind of way. Always with the mouth slightly open. I don't think she was classically beautiful like a Greta Garbo or Hedy Lamarr.

Oh, brother, R113.

[quote]r110 Who in their right mind would cast fucking Hilary Duff to play Sharon?

Hillary Duff is quite beautiful

Sharon Tate = Vapid

The anonymous queen at R116, who's on DL, no less, has the nerve to call someone he's never met "vapid." That's the pot calling the kettle, Mary.

Sharon Tate WAS a valid actress, tho.

She was certainly exceptionally pretty, and by all accounts a lovely person… but it’s not like she exactly set the screen on fire.

^^ Oh lord - r117 will like that!

I meant “was a [bold]VAPID [/bold]actress, tho” not “was a VALID actress, tho”

R118 Her work has been reevaluated and many critics think she was well on her way to being a good actress. Her main problem, according to directors, was her timidity and shyness. She was gaining confidence and many feel she had it to have a long, healthy career.

She worked in movie for literally 3 years, she was just beginning to have a career. The movies were vapid, and if she had had time she would have developed as an actress. She actually had a nice comedic flair, as evidenced in The Wrecking Crew, and as someone else pointed out, in VOTD she was the only one of the four main actresses to create a character you could remotely care about, and that's not vapid. Judging her by that tiny oeuvre of work is even more vapid.

Sharon’s mother, Doris Tate, was an absolute force of nature. Unyielding and fiercely protective of her daughter, she became a formidable advocate for victims’ rights. Doris played a pivotal role in enabling family members to speak at parole hearings, transforming the justice system for countless others. Despite enduring an unimaginable loss that could have shattered her, she chose instead to channel her grief into a relentless fight for Sharon and victims everywhere.

I am always struck by her response to interviewers hesitant to delve into the details of the murder: “It's fine. Nothing you say can be worse than what I've imagined.”

In that interview, Doris herself describes Sharon as naive. She says that Sharon wanted Abigail Folger and Voytek Frykowski out of the house and was desperate for Roman to return and ask them to leave. It seems Sharon was too passive/kind to ask them to leave herself.

R88 There is no bigger hypocrite than Debra Tate. I’m sure she comforted Roman often. She feeds off the death of her sister. Mom Doris was a badass and revolutionized victim's rights. When it became clear she was dying she made sure that Patti became the next designated rep at the parole hearings of the killers. It was too much for Paul Tate and Debra could not be counted on. The fact that NOW Debra attends has as much to do with attention seeking as it does anything else- it was NOT what Doris or Paul would have wanted because they knew she was unreliable. So many things she’s done are questionable.

Also, Debra made money from Tarantino. She ended up getting 50 grand and suddenly stopped bashing the movie, which she had been doing for months prior. She does not own the rights to Sharon’s image or anything else. Patti’s kids do and they have most of Sharon’s belongings. Debra got a suitcase full of her things and sold all of it. She also did that nude layout in Oui a couple years after the murders, going by “Sharon Tate’s sister.” She was taken out of her parents’ will and refused to follow her father’s wishes and bury him with Doris and Sharon. The grandkids still have no idea where his ashes are. She’s a homophobe and hated Patti because she lived with a woman. Debra has not spoken to Patti’s kids since Patti died. She’s doesn’t work and has lived off Sharon’s murder her entire life.

Did she really have feet that dirty but put them up in the movie theater? That’s kind of shocking.

Doris Tate at Tex Watson's parole hearing. She was so fierce. Thanks to Doris, that monster was denied parole.

R126, I've read Tarantino has a foot fetish. He probably instructed the makeup dept. to make her feet look that way.

R127, I remember that video. I especially admire her cool demeanor when discussing her daughter's death at the hands of this man.

I hate when families of the victims stand up in court and become emotional or angry when they speak to the killer before sentencing. I think killers feed off of the victims' loved one's pain and they get off on it. Doris denied this sadist that cheap thrill. Brava!

R95, the fetus had a father.

Who are all of Sharon Tate's lookalikes?

[quote]r She worked in movies for literally 3 years, she was just beginning to have a career.

Well, she started acting for TV in 1963. So her career really spanned closer to 7 years, not just 3.

“Movies for 3 years”

Her first major role in a movie was "Eye of the Devil" in 1967, so really only two years..

And her voice was so inadequate in that she was dubbed.

Face it, her acting was shitty from the start, whether in film or TV.

Your opinion, Mary R135.

Yeah, in the past people were always saying, “Talk about the victims! Celebrate them!” Whenever anyone started talking about the Manson family. “Talk about Sharon Tate instead! Don’t glorify the killers!” They’d scold.

Now? You can’t even mention the Manson at all online with everyone glomming on to declare on and on about Sharon Tate and how she was the most beautiful and best actress of her time and it was all taken away. It’s a little much, and I think most people see through the disingenuousness of it.

R137 And people are always repeating the grisly details of how she died over and over when she’s mentioned. It’s too much.

I haven't seen it in years but I thought she was hilarious in The Fearless Vampire Killers.

And The Wrecking Crew. Pay no attention to the pisspot "critic" above.

I'm glad Bewitched avoided doing the very special episode nonsense. Dignified respect and silence. That's how it's done.

Why'd she get married to Roman Polanski? He wasn't physically attractive. Was it a form of gold digging?

No, R142. She genuinely loved him. Not every guy has to look like Robert Redford for women to be attracted to them. Plus Polanski had a tight little bod then and was probably really goods at being charming as well as good at sex. Also, he wasn't ugly.

R73 Leslie Van Houton spent 52 years behind bars for a single mad act ahe commited at age 18, while on drugs and under the influence of a charismatic madman.

But for the noteriety of the case, she absolutely would have (and SHOULD have) been realeased in the '80s. But that didn't happen, because no governor wanted to be seen as the one who let a member of the Manson family free. She basically became a political prisoner.

I'm DELIGHTED she's finally, at long last been released. Americans are way too petty and vengeful.

[quote] No, [R142]. She genuinely loved him. Not every guy has to look like Robert Redford for women to be attracted to them. Plus Polanski had a tight little bod then and was probably really goods at being charming as well as good at sex. Also, he wasn't ugly.

I would disagree. I think she wanted to further her acting career.

Wrong, R145.

If Tate wanted to further her career, she could have hooked up with someone who could have done a lot more for her. And if she had really wanted to be ambitious about her career she would not have gotten pregnant.

Oh, Jesus, we can't be freed of the Leslie Van Houten troll even when it gets what it wants.

Aren't they pathetic, R148? Van Houten was a "political prisoner"--oh, my sides! No, Mary, she was in jail for stabbing a woman about 16 times.

NYT: Ms. Van Houten has not been shy about her role in the killings, saying in a parole board hearing in 2002 that she had pinned down Ms. LaBianca while another Manson family member, Patricia Krenwinkel, stabbed her in the collar bone. Charles D. Watson, another figure in the attack, stabbed Ms. LaBianca with a bayonet eight times before Ms. Van Houten then stabbed her in the abdomen 14 to 16 times.

Yeah, Van Houten troll at R144, doesn't it suck when you commit a crime so infamous and heinous that it's a bad look to be released even after decades? She was no political prisoner. She did it to herself. She's damn lucky shew got out of jail at all.

Sharon seemed to have a thing for short guys, Jay and Roman. I wonder if Beatty - a good pal - tried to hit on her. There was a rumor that Sharon had an affair with Christopher Jones while in Europe filming 13 Chairs, as a payback to Roman after finding out about several affairs he had.

R148 why should I shut up about it if no one else is? God it's so depressing that even American gays are small minded and vengeful. You all have the mentailty of flyover fraus. Ugh.

See ya.

R153, let us know where you live, and we'll send her on over. Keep those kitchen knives in a safe place though, because you never know when Leslie might get a hankering for the good old days.

Lastly, you're a sociopathic asshole trying to emulate the emotion of empathy in order defend a cold-blooded killer.

Not defending her at all. Just taking all circumstances into account, and showing some mercy.

Whoever recommended the Karina Longworth podcast upthread on Roman and Sharon, thank you. Just finshed the 3 episodes on them. I had no idea Polanski was such a raging asshole. He was quite mentally and emotionally abusive to her. Openly flouted fucking others and demanding she accept and expect it, among other things. She was so much better off with Jay Sebring. I think she would have quickly come to that realization had she lived.

And Roman stating in his book that when he last saw Sharon he "had a premonition that it would be the last time I would see her" was ridiculous. Especially coming from him, he prided himself on having zero sentimentality (ex. Started fucking new bitches a month after Sharon died).

Just a fucking gross weirdo all around.

[quote]R137 You can’t even mention the Manson at all online with everyone glomming on to declare on and on about Sharon Tate and how she was the most beautiful and best actress of her time and it was all taken away. It’s a little much

In her podcast episode about Sharon Tate, Karina Longworth points out how even though we think great beauty assures people happiness and success, it had not brought this actress a great marriage, a great career, or great riches.

Which is really quite depressing. Like, you can look like Sharon Tate and still have a cheating husband and mediocre movie options.

Sharon has been reevaluated as an actress and most critics feel she had real potential. She was too nice. She was too shy. That was holding her back. She was gaining confidence before she was killed. For someone so beautiful it is endearing she was so timid and shy. She was a genuine good soul. So many in Hollywood attest to this. Mia Farrow said she was one of the sweetest, most pure souls she’d ever met. That’s hometown Pasadena, TX in her.

R156, you show such mercy for someone who took pleasure in repeatedly plunging a knife into a fellow human being, yet you treat those who disagree with you with such disgust. Your posts are nothing, but condensing and judgmental diatribes directed against those with whom you disagree. Shame you can't apply the same mercy on others who do not fall into the cold-blooded killer category. "UGH"

In your Book: Murderer: 1. Decent People: 0

R144 How would you feel if she had killed your parents?

She was wonderful on Threes Company.

I can't stand Karina Longworth's books or her podcast.

R132 She never actually appeared on Petticoat Junction.

R114 Sorry, I never found her looks interesting. Can't explain it, just somewhat generic and nothing going on behind the eyes.

[quote]R164 She never actually appeared on Petticoat Junction.

Was she fired from Petticoat Junction.because she couldn’t act?

That would really be a new low.

Does anyone think that Julianne Moore looks like her?

R165 I think she quit.

So, why didn’t she join the Shady Rest Hotel? She actually completed some promotional shots for the show, but never filmed because it came out that she had done nude photos for Playboy. Producers didn’t want to risk losing their biggest sponsor, Ivory Soap, if and when word got out. Oddly enough, the switch might have been unnecessary, since years later their major spokes model Marilyn Chambers ended up doing a very similar shoot.

She was very beautiful in a bland, Hollywood way, and her career was mediocre at best. Whether or not it would have improved is up for speculation.She was, allegedly, a very nice person. She was like thousands of other girls of her time and before her time in Hollywood. What is truly tragic about her is that she will be remembered because of the murders.

Bo Derek. Linda Evans. Same look.

You can order a little Sharon Tate ragdoll, wearing the polka dot dress from the Helter Skelter book!

R166 Yes, quite a bit.

She was not bland at all. Just a very beautiful woman with a great body.

I think the young Michelle Phillips was more striking-looking, in a way:

R160 you're full of shit.

"Took pleasure." No. That's not the story. Charles Manson told Tex Watson to make sure she did something. There are some reports that the wounds she inflicted were post mortem. I do not defend her actions. She participated in a horrible thing. But there are mitigating circumstances, and she paid substantially for her crime with 53 years of her life. Keeping her locked up is utterly pointless and cruel. Oh i can hear it now: what about how cruel SHE was? If the we the state can't be better, can't show more decency than the mad act of a teenager under the influence of Manson then I'm sorry I've lived so long.

Again, I'm DELIGHTED she got out because that was the merciful, decent move.

I think we can all agree on your second last sentence, R175.

R175, when you were 19 would you have stabbed a person repeatedly because someone told you to?

I think a person who viciously stabs multiple people to death should stay behind bars..

That said, no other civilized country has such harsh sentences even for murder. Even for vicious murder.

R177 I wonder if you refused to participate, if you would have made it back alive to Spahn Ranch. I'm not saying that's what VanHouten said or thought, but if something spiralled out of control, who knows. I know Van Houten said the knew there would be killing, so she cooked her own goose. She sort of knew months later about the guy who shot himself playing Russian Roulete, and clammed up after initially giving the police info. I just don't buy she was the butcher Atkins, Watson or Krenwinkel were.

The "teenager" was 2 weeks away from her 20th birthday.

The age of many people who are sophomores or juniors in college.

.....

The person saying Sharon was plain- STFU. The world thinks otherwise. You’ve been overruled.

You MUST have my opinions and my tastes! I tolerate no disagreement!

R170, I 100% agree about the physical similarities between Tate & Bo Derek.

I’ve read that Polanski was awful to her. Had she lived, she might have eventually gained enough confidence to dump him.

I appreciate Polanski’s work, but he is very well known for being a bastard towards women.

[quote] She was very beautiful in a bland, Hollywood way

No, R169, beautiful is beautiful.

Yes, R169, so "blandly" beautiful. We should all be, including you.

STFU, you dumb queen.

Sharon's eye make up was something else. She was the long haired blonde ideal of the 60's, something she shared with her friends Mia Farrow - until she chopped her trademark hair off to piss off Sinatra - and Michelle Phillips, who gained fame before Sharon hit, looking wonderfully seductive on the album cover of Can You Believe Your Eyes and Ears. These ladies were not Doris Day, Liz taylor or Jackie Kennedy, they represented something new for the 60's.

R188 Yep. The blonde, tanned California look that became popular in the 70s. Like Malibu Barbie. Allegedly Sharon was the inspiration for that doll.

R188, Doris, Liz, and Jackie are all polar opposites.

r190 DUH

R191, I meant that Doris, Liz, and Jackie are all 3 very different women. They are not even in the same category.

Doris and Jackie were not known for their beauty like Liz was.

I meant at the outset of the 60's women idolized Jackie, Doris and Liz - more than they did Marilyn. I'd say that women of my mother's age (she was born in 1928), whereas my sister (born in 1948) definitely idolized Mia and Michelle, and sort of Sharon. I remember Sharon on Playboy After Dark with Roman and thinking how beautiful she was, but a bit dim. My sister did copy her eye make up and my dad called her 'tarted up'.

R193 They both seemed spaced out. Probably tripping.

What does everyone think of her looks here?

Fixed...

Gorgeous as usual R195. Only a true beauty like Sharon could make a bad wig work for her.

She was quite stunning in that Playboy After Dark clip.

[quote] Probably tripping.

You sound like a fucking prude, R194. And no, they didn't look like they were tripping.

R193 I think you're right, but I'm trying to think who my mom liked, since she was also born in 1928. Because she didn't particularly idolize those three (she liked Jackie -- and Jack -- but also said Jackie sounded just like Marilyn Monroe when she talked). She liked (but didn't adore) Doris Day. She liked Katharine Hepburn, Shirley MacLaine, Lee Grant, Shelley Winters, Maureen Stapleton. She also liked Judy Garland. That's all I remember.

My mom was born in 1927 and she seemed critical of almost all female stars so it came as a surprise when she sobbed uncontrollably over Judy Garland's death.

My sister was born in 1946 and was definitely into the Sharon Tate look.

I do remember my sister, a brunette, in the 60's dying her hair blonde and abandoning her flip to straighten her hair with an iron. I also remember my Mom's fury at her when she pierced my other sister's ears at home with rubbing alcohol and whatever she used to actually pierce them. The movie mags they had at the time seemed to always have Mia Farrow stories from the time she was on Peyton Place and her thing with Sinatra. All before The National Enquirer.

Reportedly, Roman wanted Sharon to play Rosemary in Rosemary’s Baby, but the studio insisted on casting an established name. I can't help but wonder what Sharon might have brought to the role, given her ability to project a fragile, vulnerable aura.

I've never heard of anyone saying Doris Day was a beauty. She was the all American Girl Next Door. All pert and bubbly with a m,illion dollar smile!

R204 Well, she wasn't exactly homely. And she had a great body.

Doris dated Sly Stone in the early 70's, which somehow wasn't as newsworthy as Burt Reynolds screwing Dinah Shore.

Was the Reynolds-Shore “relationship” real? I always questioned that.

Who the fuck was Sly Stone?

Google is your friend, R208. Better to search it than advertise your ignorance.

Sly Stone

[quote]R203 Roman wanted Sharon to play Rosemary in Rosemary’s Baby… I can't help but wonder what Sharon might have brought to the role

She would have been TERRIBLE!

I can see her being effective as Tess of the d'Urbervilles, though. That character’s 100% victim… and doesn’t have a strong personality to begin with. Tess just floats through the story to her demise.

[quote]R208 Who the fuck was Sly Stone?