The spell has definitely broken.

That just means the Rethugs will get desperate. They're going through Kamala's past with a fine-toothed comb. They'll contract with Vlad's kompromat experts. They'll plant kiddie porn on her hard drive. Find a lezzie flirtation...

And remember with them, it doesn't have to be true- it just has to be repeated over and over.

Labeling Trump "weird" helped. He can't come back from that.

R1, I hope the Harris campaign and Harris and Doug and their family have world-class security on their laptops and phones.

R2, laughing at and mocking Trump is helping too. He can't stand that.

Guess it's jail for you, Trump.

I was thinking the same thing today, OP. He lost his mojo at least a few weeks ago. Actually I think the fuss over Biden just obscured Trump's loss of mojo, and now that there's more certainty on the Dem side, it's clear the emperor has no clothes (sorry for the visual).

Trump is now saying Chuck Schumer has become a member of Hamas. Trump is losing it.

The universe has decided to give us a break.

Where is Paul Manafort at & his young Russian spy.

What information on polling in certain counties in Michigan, Wisconsin& Pennsylvania can Paul turn over to his favorite Russian spy?

I would not count those chickens yet. This is an old report (February 2024), but they could still do this even though the candidate is no longer Biden.

He has no more teflon or traction. He's hit his ceiling and Kamala still has room. It's like McCain in 2008.

Kamala has to come back at Dtrump with Jeffrey Epstein& the Katie Johnson rape.

She was 13 yrs old-the story is true& been around since 2020. The Democrats have to make it a bloodbath if the Rethugs& orange man go low!!

Schumer's a Palestinian.

Kamala's not black, or black enough.

Jews who vote for the Democrats are fools.

Catholics who vote for the Democrats are fools too.

Of course I'll free the heroic 1/6 hostages.

Everybody loved it when I aborted Roe v. Wade.

I never heard of Project 2025, don't know anything about it.

Nobody will ever have to vote again after I'm elected.

Sharks, batteries, sinking boats, & my good friend Hannibal Lecter.

Seriously, this is who the Republicans have nominated to be President. it was awful enough the first time when he was President.

You're all delusional, just like when you thought Hillary had it cinched. It'd be laughable if it didn't mean your inevitable Trump Derangement Syndrome will be that much worse when he wins again.

Your stupidity is laughable r14.

R14 isn't wrong. We can't take it for granted. All hands on deck

[quote]You're all delusional, just like when you thought Hillary had it cinched. It'd be laughable if it didn't mean your inevitable Trump Derangement Syndrome will be that much worse when he wins again.

Let's agree to bump this thread on election day and see who winds up being correct.

Here are the facts. Donald Trump won the presidency once, on a technicality. That was almost a decade ago. He has been coasting on the fumes of a fluke election ever since.

America has had enough and what you are seeing over this past week is America collectively putting her hands on her hips and saying, "We're done."

And what's truly hilarious is, you and the rest of your cultish clique are so disconnected from the rest of America, you can't even see it coming. You might as well not even be American anymore.

Trump is a sad old man ranting and raving at the clouds.

Kamala is hope, fun, and progress for the future.

The snowball is rolling downhill and getting bigger. It's the start of the MAGA decline.

I told y’all he was imploding about a week ago. He is shell shocked. See what I did there.

The spell? Did he use voodoo and some such. I think not, some people are just plain stupid.

R16, good point. We should not get overconfident. I don't want to get my hopes up too soon. People have been predicting Trump's demise for years and it hasn't happened yet. Let's wait until after Kamala wins before celebrating.

A choice is nice. If Biden and them put this whole thing together to work it just like this,👍👍 👍!!!

C’mon, R17, the “technicality” is the Constitution. That’s like saying a criminal defendant got off on a technicality.

Trump has been on the political scene for almost 9:years. Americans are bored and ready for something new. Still underestimating him is a mistake as It’s still a 50/50 country,

The big mistake was picking Vance. That one is going to hurt

R17 Say it again say it again. When the next deranged lunatic who the media propped up as reality star comes about we must remember Trump has never EVER won 50% of the voting public.

He doesn’t need 50%. He just needs 6 or 7 key battleground states.

R26 Thanks 🌹. We know this.

What battleground state that Dump lost in 2020 could he possibly pick up in 2024?

R28 I think he is going to keep Pennsylvania actually. I think KH’s path will be Michigan and Georgia.

Dump lost Pennsylvania in 2020, r29.

If it was a popular vote election he'd be done. The electoral college means there will be no relaxing until she crosses 270 on Nov 5.

R30 I know. I think he will reclaim it.

Supposedly because of the electoral college .disadvantage, Harris will need to be ahead nationally by 4% to seal the deal. I’d use that as a good indicator. Seeing her ahead nationally by 1 or 2% probably means Trump wins.

The real danger isn't really Trump anymore, nor the votes. It's the Rethugs' plan to steal the election from within the election system (planted MAGAts on election council positions, AI-supported contesting of legal votes, etc.). Even if Trump loses big time, there will be pandemonium. Election results will be contested left and right. And the MAGA courts will decide in the Rethugs' favor.

I hope for the best, but it's possible that the worst damage has already been done.

Trump doesn’t have a prayer in PA.

Those women in the Philly suburbs are a hard no on him. I’m from there and have the pulse of the people.

They are sick and tired of it all.

[quote]And the MAGA courts will decide in the Rethugs' favor.

Maybe, and maybe not.

Anyway, I find this rhetoric a little dangerous. Whether or not it's intentional, it can serve to suppress Dem turnout, because even IF Harris wins, what difference does it make if everything is rigged in MAGAs' favor? Political quietism is pernicious.

After yesterday he's sure got that colored folk vote locked up. In fact, I think yesterday was the first day he realized they could vote

Wow, the fear and doubt troll is up early this morning... Go fuck yourself 😠

[quote]Anyway, I find this rhetoric a little dangerous. Whether or not it's intentional, it can serve to suppress Dem turnout, because even IF Harris wins, what difference does it make if everything is rigged in MAGAs' favor? Political quietism is pernicious.

I actually agree. At the same time, boundless optimism about how Trump has lost definitely seems ill-advised as well, I feel. A landslide victory coupled with an acute vigilance about possible subversion attempts seems like the best goal to aim for.

Harris should aim for the same outcome Biden got in 2020. No one is winning in a landslide.

There’s a big difference between 2016 and 2024. Hillary had to weather DECADES of Fox bs but she was one of the most qualified candidates ever to run and her poll numbers were so much higher that plenty of voters stayed home. Or voted for Bernie or whatever. Now everyone knows what a clown Trump is, outside his base. He’s bragging about overturning Roe vs Wade (goodbye suburban women). Instead of a race between two elderly men (one very decent), it’s between a creep and a vigorous woman who’s not afraid to call him out.

So far, there are some signs that Harris may have some political gifts, unlike Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton was, unfortunately, a pretty mediocre politician. She was on the Gerald Ford/Dukakis/George H W Bush level, which can be enough to win under some circumstances but doesn't guarantee a win, especially in a sexist society. It's very early to say, but Harris has already given a greater number of engaging and memorable appearances than Clinton gave in her entire career.

Clinton also had the unusual disadvantage of a) being a relatively inexperienced elected politician but b) having an extremely long history in the political milieu. Her decades of association with politics allowed her to collect decades of scandals (many largely bogus) without developing much skill in winning and holding elected office. Harris is also different in that respect.

^ Good observation. Being a Clinton probably helped and hurt her in equal amounts. A lot of people didn't like her. Kamala doesn't have that kind of baggage

He can barely get a headline these days and that’s one thing he could always do, good or bad. Aside from his “you’ll never have to vote again” dust up, the only time his name is in a headline is when Kamala is taking him down for his latest nuttery (a word).

Folks are craving positivity and lightness and hope, and Kamala is bringing that, at the same time taking the fight to the orange maniac. And she’s not even breaking a sweat.

This got very interesting very fast.

[quote] Supposedly because of the electoral college .disadvantage, Harris will need to be ahead nationally by 4% to seal the deal.

Nate Cohn opined last year that this was no longer the case. Although I suspect his take was based on Biden running again. With differing constituencies, Harris, like Hillary, may "waste" a lot more votes than Biden.

Another big disadvantage Hillary had that Harris does not is a ruptured party. There were a lot of disaffected Berniecrats who either sat the election out or voted for Jill Stein.

Totally agree R41 but it's still going to be very, very close. America is roughly divided in half - give or take a few million depending on the election cycle/issue. There's not this VAST majority who objects to Dump and if they were going to vote for Dump they will now desert him. The rest of the cult will never waver no matter what he says or does. It's going to come down to a few thousand people in the 7 swing states.

It's going to be as tight as a nun's cunt.

I've been very impressed by Harris. I didn't know much about her but she has been surprising and engaging. Energizing. Everything feels different now. It feels like Dems are getting some boom and a backbone and standing up the Dump Party shit. (*GOP = Dump Party now).

Good point R46.

Do not underestimate the political effects of overturning Roe v. Wade.

Let's hope R49.

Everything R47 said!

Frankly, with Biden we were doomed. Trump was on a trajectory to beat Biden solidly in November. And now with Harris we -- presuming you and I are on the same side here -- we have something between a 30% to 70% chance but it will be a fight for those votes. Always and forever those battleground states.

I disagree that this has to be a tight race.

Given Trump’s worsening cognitive problems and onset of hearing problems, people upset about Roe v. Wade, people upset about Project 2025, and the not ready on any day, let alone day one, VP blunder this could be a blowout. And we need a blow out given the election shenanigans the Trump/Putin party have planned.

20% of the electorate were double haters and now the double haters have disappeared. Where do you think they went?

R51, by the way, prior to Harris’ candidacy there was an actual choice- perhaps one of the most stark in American history. Kinda missed that, huh?

@r49, Exactly, it's been a long time, but people forget how badly women fought for Roe v Wade. Then to have it overturned in a blink of an eye was devastating to women's rights. Women don't forget, ask any straight man

u guys are nuts.ur all convincing yourselves Kamalla is good when she wouldn't be chosen as head of a local business...its all just smoke and mirrors by her pr team. There's no way she should be president of The U.S.A. but it's just that u hate the alternative so much. Why do u never focus on a candidate, instead, when something is mentioned about them, u rant about the other candidate being worse? It all comes off as delusional.

r55, you get an F in trolling.

Cry harder R56

Sorry R56! That was meant for R55

No worries r58!!

^ You had me worried there 😳

r55 = Trump University Troll School dropout

You can't even spell her name right

So what are your suggestions R55?

It’s an extra kick in the ovaries that it was overturned by a man who couldn’t give a shit about abortion. He is so power hungry that he got into bed with fundamentalist Christians who want to subject the country to their beliefs which are junk made up by guys named Bob Jones. 65% of people believe in choice under any circumstance and 75-90 (depending on the study) want choice in cases of rape, incest and danger to the mother. Over 90% of women use contraception at some point in their lives. He’s handing over the country to a tiny group of radicals.

Yes that's why we can't let them win R63. Those radicals and him out of control wielding great power to implement their "beliefs" on everyone else is terrifying.

I don't think voters feel the economy is good enough for any kind of a landslide. I do think it is very likely she will pull this off with narrow margins given the Trump factor in this particular election - he's worse than ever and looks it. What I wonder about is whether she might do a reverse Biden/Clinton: better in the electoral college if not spectacularly in the overall popular vote, managing a series of narrow victories in more swing states. Not a board sweep, but a very decent, winning showing.

For straight women of childbearing potential and the straight men who sleep with them access to reproductive care IS the economy.

And you add Vance’s no exception for rape and suddenly it’s the economy for lesbians under 50 also.

It's going to be stressful, I hope Kamala Harris can keep fronting that smile and kick-ass positive vibe because Trump is only going to get uglier. Yesterday was a preview.

^ She's heard it all before, she's a big girl and can handle it

R65 That is the interesting factor. The economy is actually EXCEPTIONALLY good by historical standards, and it is EXTREMELY rare for the incumbent to lose when there is a good economy and no unpopular war. The current inflation rate is 3% and the unemployment rate is 4%. Yet, you would think we are living through the 1930s. It's a really disturbing sign of the stupidity, self-indulgence, and entitlement Republicans have fostered that any Americans think they are living through the equivalent of 1933, when what we are living through is nothing like 1933 or 2007, or even 1990. (And I fully understand not everyone is doing great in the economy, just as has been the case since the dawn of time. That's why democrats support social programs for the disadvantage.)

Add to the excellent economy the almost unbroken record of Republican election failures since 2016 and you would expect a landslide for democrats, but Trump always upends expectations.

[quote] Trump always upends expectations

The topic of this thread is that that streak may have ended.

R75. And you know that?

[quote] u guys are nuts.ur all convincing yourselves Kamalla is good when she wouldn't be chosen as head of a local business

And just how many jobs are available for a felon?

Don’t get cocky.

Trump still has a lot if support.

Make America Twerk Again

^ I know r75 is in the future

He must be because he knows the spell is definitively broken somehow and that we don't have to worry.

Kamala will win at least 300 electoral votes. The real question will be how do we handle the installed state election board workers who are election deniers.

I want to see how the Biden/Harris admin will handle this -- DOJ? National Guard? Executive Orders?

It will be funny to watch Trump declare victory at 8pm EDT before the polls close.

R69, the economy is technically good. But people get hit at the grocery store and on the mortgage so technically doesn't matter when the perception is things are bad. It's a really tricky one: I think people got tired of JB telling them it was so great when it didn't feel that way. It's a very hard one to solve. I think the message is: we've got to act so everybody feels this economy is as good as the numbers say it is, so here's what we're gonna do... three simple examples, maybe that's enough. Harris needs to sound like she gets where real people are at and has something sensible she's planning to do to make it better for them. It actually doesn't matter if she does, she just needs to say it to stop the baby fretting... because it is a strong economy in many respects. But people do not want to be told that right now because they don't believe it. And God knows we've seen proof enough around here what happens when belief conflicts with reality.

^Litigation

We have an army of election lawyers standing by.

538 still isn't showing polling averages for Trump vs Harris but RealClear is.

They show that everyday Trump's lead is narrowing. And Harris is climbing steadily in the betting averages.

The Economist is one of the highly rated polling organizations. Their poll ending July 30th now shows Harris in the lead 46% vs. 44%.

I've noticed more news accounts reporting Trump's words verbatim. They used to clean them up into coherent sentences, which pissed me off, but they're finally just raw dogging his word salad. It looks even crazier in print

^ Props for the use of the expression "raw dog" in that sentence, R81. .

R77 R79. If those lawyers are doing their jobs, then they have already researched the relevant state laws and even have draft motions ready to go in the states where this can be an issue, so that's: AZ, NV, MI, WI, PA, and GA at least.

They certainly do.

Here is the website

Hillary Clinton was an unpopular and polarizing candidate, and yet she won the popular vote by over 2 million votes.

Kamala is popular and energetic. We lived through 4 years of trump and hated it. The only way she loses is from MAGA cheating. You they’re setting up the voting process to fit their needs. I hope we still have the law on our side.

[quote] Everyone is starting to laugh at him,

I told you so!

Trump said that Joe Biden wasn't too old to run for president again. Of course, because he's an old fart.

The Electoral College and 18th century processes that do not work with a population heading towards 350 million.

Plus, for its collective crimes against the Constitution and the commonweal, the GOP as a party should be dismantled.

Period.

In almost any race the candidate who can authentically convey positive qualities like hope, energy, optimism, or vision wins over the candidate who doesn’t. Let’s hope that’s the case this time because Harris seems capable of projecting that while Trump is incapable of projecting anything but negative thoughts and emotions. Harris’ much mocked laughter seems to have signalled a genuinely optimistic and energetic candidate.

[quote]I hope we still have the law on our side.

As Junior High said four years ago, "we control the apparatus." And we have the benefit that Biden can activate the National Guard and even invoke the Insurrection Act if it gets that bad. And let's not forget he has presidential immunity now... with an easy exit once Harris is inaugurated.

At the end of the day, I think there will be some electoral skirmishes, but Harris' victory will be substantial enough to withstand the MAGAt onslaught. I hope that we pick up seats in the Senate, flip the House, and immediately pass the John Lewis Voting RIghts Act and the For The People act to prevent electoral chaos from ever giving us a man like Trump again.

Thanks R91, I needed to hear that.

It’s been almost a decade now.

People are tired of his shit.

He’s actually helping a black Indian woman get elected to the presidency. It like he’s helping Obama get reelected. His MAGAtS are stupid as hell.

“Let’s talk shit! It’s been working for 10 years!”

American: “Yawn. We’ve seen this before. No more reruns. Time for live streaming the presidency.”

Without fear-mongering, I think threads like this need to focus on the response to them refusing to certify — and the courts deciding in his favor. I do believe it’s going to happen, and I also believe that we should be pressing Dems to tell us their plan on the response. I don’t think it’s paranoid to encourage you all to not panic, not freak, not be afraid, but to do some preparation in case there is violence and chaos. Don’t give it too much energy, but don’t be in denial either.

When they refuse to certify, I have no idea how the Dems can even do anything. Does a judge order them to do it? How long will it delay the results? Will tensions escalate or no? How do the Dems do this without looking like THEY are taking over the election process? Do they use local LEO or the National Guard? Will part of our military and police fail to perform their duty? Will Dems allow Rethugs to encourage violence with no repercussions (incarceration)? Will SCOTUS decide in his favor? How do we stop SCOTUS?

Basically, my opinion is that SCOTUS needs to be told right now that if they pull their normal bullshit, they will be charged with fucking sedition, and that the law will require they are punished like any other citizen. I’m not sure what else Dems can do — but threats are needed, right now. I am hoping Kamala picks Walz only because I think his tone will be the best combo of alpha male and patriotism. He can be bad cop and let them know what’s going to happen to them *publicly* if they try another Gore v Bush. Better to warn them publicly right now to let it sink in with our population that this is going to be brutal.

Stay strong. Stay positive. Stay calm! Use reason, not emotion. Believe in America because she needs you. Get everyone you know talking about how important it is to go vote, and that even when we do all vote, they are truly about to try and steal it. It truly is going to take ALL of us to stop this.

I’m preparing to now get put on time-out again, lots of us are getting karma-ed by trolls. Fuck ‘em all.

Thank you, mama.

We have a chance, at least. More than we had a month ago.

You are so welcome r95.

[quote] Harris’ much mocked laughter seems to have signalled a genuinely optimistic and energetic candidate.

The Democrats can play the social media game too, if our young people are engaged. We define what Harris’s behavior “means.” Dark Brandon was just a taste, but there was no real enthusiasm behind trying to define an old man as something other than an old man.

Nate Silver declares the race a “toss-up” which is a huge shift.

Has the Orange Menace posted about yesterday on Truth Social or did they take his phone away from him?

I’d actually like not to know all the details of how they are going to deal with the seditious election officials. As long as they do have a good plan let’s not give the insurrections the blue prints

R91, it's important to donate to House or Senate races that can be flipped Blue.

Trump seems to be spending the RNC money on himself - we'll see if he's in the mood to share the pot with the local elections.

Their lawyers already know what our lawyers will do. Part of being a good lawyer is anticipating what the other side will do.

R100 — that is a great point. But I do think they can walk and chew gum at the same time; the public deserves to know how prepared they are, and that can be done without tipping their hand. I also think sharing that they *have* a plan serves as a deterrent. The Rethugs need to be sweating and worried, they need to be put on defense (mentally). It makes it more likely that key players might chicken out.

Their lawyers think they know what the other side will do. The Republicans were caught unawares when Biden became Harris. I wouldn't say anything about my intentions, but I heard a talking head say some weeks ago the DNC's lawyers were preparing for every contingency.

The trajectories of the polls I've seen (mostly of the swing states, but some national) show Harris basically even with Trump, up a point or two from where Biden was, while Trump's dipped a little. It's not a striking climb. I'm looking to the VP pick and then the convention to boost her away from him.

And from Marc Elias

[quote] The Republicans were caught unawares when Biden became Harris.

I can assure you their attorneys were not the least bit unaware of the possibility.

Trump was shot and his poll numbers barely budged. People just don't like this guy. And they're frankly tired of his bullshit. I really do think he's gonna lose.

Agree r108. That is probably a bigger sign than we have acknowledged. There would normally be a huge outpouring of support, even from the other side. But with Trump, he's such a fucking asshole that it actually didn't happen. Even though most people would say, it's terrible somebody tried to shoot him, which is all rational people, even so, he never got the outpouring of sympathy that someone who survives assassination attempts can usually count on.

Trump is Uncle Miltie circa 1985

Thank you R94. Keep spreading the word. Maybe you could be come the new "Oh look, another Trump Thread" troll but in a positive way. Post it in every political thread you see. Repetition is the key.

I wonder if there will be an electoral college tie. For some reason, that scenario has been bugging me.

R112 if there is Trump wins.

How? I feel like this has been discussed, prior to the 2020 election, but I don't remember.

Winning Nebraska-2 is key to avoiding an Electoral College tie.

The newly elected House of Representatives would declare the winner.

Popular vote should rule and it's time to make that change.

[quote] The newly elected House of Representatives would declare the winner.

To be exact, each state's delegation would have a single vote. And since the republicans will control more state delegations than democrats, a tie means a republican win.

[quote] Popular vote should rule and it's time to make that change.

It. will. never. happen.

R116 how is it the newly elected Congress. Thank God btw.

You mean the incoming House reps? or the current ones who are still around until Jan 6 even if they’ve lost their election/chose to retire.

[quote] Although it has never happened, it is theoretically possible that the 538 electoral votes could be evenly split between two candidates, resulting in a 269-269 tie. According to the 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the newly-elected House of Representatives would determine the winner.

[quote] Choosing from the three candidates who received the most electoral votes for President, each state delegation in the House casts one vote. A majority of votes (26) are needed to win. The District of Columbia does not cast a vote.

@r108, "Trump was shot and his poll numbers barely budged"

Well, it's not like he was shot shot

What's broken is the fear we Dems had of Trump when it looked like our only hope was Biden.

Exactly, OP. Isn’t it amazing the spell this country was under from all the media gas lighting that presented Trump as our inevitable authoritarian leader? Do not go back to corporate media. Starve them of oxygen.

The media was so obviously propping Trump up, either through omission or doing all the work for him.

There’s still plenty of work to do but yes, the spell has definitely been broken.

R1, the thing about kompromat is that you have to have people’s attention. We’ve seen this playbook, over three election cycles if you count his taunting of Obama. It’s tired and played out. People are prepared for it, as you’ve already noted the likelihood of it. And they just don’t care.

That’s the kind of stuff boomers cared about. Harris has expanded the electorate with young voters. To them, they’re like, so? They don’t care about sexual orientation, things that used to scandalise the boomers. They want solutions. They want a future. They don’t care what the crazy criminal old man has to say. Trump will never capture their attention.

Up 7 points in MI. He can’t win without MI. So he’s already lost. So sad.

R125, that's great regarding young voters. Now we just need to get them to the pools. Historically, they have not been the most consistent voters. Maybe that will change with Harris vs. Biden (old) and Trump (just as old and a jerk).

If the Democrats hold the WH and the Senate and win the House, I think you’re going to see a legislative and constitutional acceleration into the future the likes of which this country hasn’t seen since FDR’s New Deal. Plus statehood for D.C. and Puerto Rico. MAGA heads are going to spin.

R14 doesn’t get, there’s been a generational shift.

R127 DC shouldn’t be a state but Puerto Rico should. DC has 3 electoral votes.

R30, he’s not going to win PA. Too many white women in PA to let that happen.

Sorry, R29 ^^

The really delicious irony is that from NYC to Georgia to D.C. to the WH to Chicago - Trump has had his ass handed to him by black women. lol

Repugs have won the popular vote for President just Once in the last thirty years.

I just hope that most Americans find Trump as distasteful as I do.

[quote] Up 7 points in MI. He can’t win without MI.

As a Michiganian that's welcome, but not surprising, news. But no, it is Harris, not Trump, who really needs to win this Blue Wall state that, before 2016, had not voted Republican since 1988.

R65, it’s the best fucking economy in the world with the best pandemic recovery of any nation. The World Bank said last month that the U.S. economy is the engine that is driving recovery all over the world. Unemployment at a consistent all-time low at like 3%, inflation at like 4%. Interest rates will be cut by September. All of this is reason enough to elect Harris. The WORST thing the country could do is hand this booming, middle-class economy over to Republicans who know fuck all about building an economy.

[quote]it’s the best fucking economy in the world

For many people, it is not.

What are you talking about, R135? Biden won MI in 2020 by like 154,000 votes. Harris will win MI in November. Trump has no path to the WH without MI.

R138 I think you should reread his post.

R77, for instance in AZ there’s a Democratic Governor, Katie Hobbs and a Democratic Secretary of State, until the end of January.

Individual MAGA counties may act up but the Governor and the SoS will make them certify the election. They can act like fools but they don’t have the authority required to decertify a result. There are deadlines. So, it’s child’s play.

R94, if you’ve been paying attention to Marc Elias the last 4 years, your know he has this all in hand. Just like he did in 2020.

[quote]I don't think voters feel the economy is good enough for any kind of a landslide. I do think it is very likely she will pull this off with narrow margins given the Trump factor in this particular election - he's worse than ever and looks it.

There's no hope for hard-core MAGAts, of course, but Trump's carnival act just feels so played out now. Whether it's cognitive decline or just desperation, he's meaner, uglier and crazier than ever, and I don't see how that's going to play well with swing voters or those who are genuinely undecided.

T-Rump's digging down on this "Kamala's not black, she's Indian" nonsense. How will that expand his base?

Putty just called him and said him what a huge treacherous disappointment he has been, that he's released all American prisoners to Biden and the Dems and that he's lucky to live in Mar-a-Lago where there is no second floor at all.

[quote]T-Rump's digging down on this "Kamala's not black, she's Indian" nonsense. How will that expand his base?

That comment was Trump's "basket of deplorables" moment. It will cost him the election.

Excuse me, R144?

The residential sections of DC should be made a State so they can get two Senators. DC has more residents that Wyoming or Vermont

In addition to DC Puerto a Rico, USVI and Guan should also get Statehood.

R138, do you understand the concept of the Blue Wall?! These states are known as such because they’re the Democratic firewall, states the party has to hold to capture the White House - although they can afford some erosion if they can take some Sunbelt states. Trump was able to take them in ‘16, &, with them, the presidency.

I expect 10,000s to show up in Chicago to kick ass and make big time trouble. All kinds of people pros and cons and maybe some professionals.. And I expect a riot that will go on every night of the convention that will be covered every night..

It’s going to be interesting to see how that will,play out.

I'm waiting for the next over the top moronic remark to come out of Trump's mouth.

R137. Everyone knows that not everyone d’ores great even in a great economy. That doesn’t mean that it’s not a great economy snd that it’s spoiled and stupid to say otherwise.

Yes, many people are not doing as well as we would like, which is why democrats support a social safety net. And, yes, the Republican electorate is so stupid and spoiled that we have to pretend officially that we take their complaint seriously while rolling our eyes in private.

I can only imagine how people will be bitching when we have an actual downturn. We’re not living through the Great Depression. Or 2007. Or even 1990. It’s time people stop bitching

So I got bullet-riddled for nothing?

To the dummy r55. She’s already been Attorney general in CA, Senator, and VICE-PRESIDENT, you half wit.

She’s going to spank Dump into the Stone Age.

When people say the economy is bad, they mean supermarket prices and rents/buying a house. That’s it. Supermarkets = the food industry, mega corporations. Housing = private equity firms.

@r144, " he's lucky to live in Mar-a-Lago where there is no second floor at all."

We have high tower, I measure

R148, are you supposed to be Master of the Obvious or something? It’s like you think you’re saying something Earth-shattering and complex but it’s neither of those things.

Uh huh. Sure, go ahead and reference Trump’s win in 2016, sure, okay…he won MI by 20,000 votes. There’s actually been ANOTHER election since then, in 2020, when the Democratic candidate, whom you may have heard of, named Joe Biden, here, I’ll spell it for you: J-o-e B-i-d-e-n, he WON MI by over 154,000 votes. That was the last election cycle there (I’m from there too). The current candidate, Kamala Harris (pronounced “comma-la”), as of today, is polling 12 points ahead of Trump in MI, 52% to 40%. Today. Twelve points in any U.S. election is substantial.

But yes, Trump did win MI in 2016. He lost MI and the WH in 2020 and he can’t afford to lose MI this year and it looks like he already has. But yes, he did win MI in 2016. Good boy.

[quote] As a Michiganian that's welcome, but not surprising, news. But no, it is Harris, not Trump, who really needs to win this Blue Wall state that, before 2016, had not voted Republican since 1988.

Your being from Michigan does not impart any special powers of analysis upon you, regardless. Harris WILL win Michigan this year but Michigan isn’t THAT big and she CAN win without it.

It’s a moot point though because she is going to win Michigan.

Are you okay, R156?

According to this map, Trump is likely to have 251 electoral votes, with Harris likely at 226. And there are five toss-up states (with a total of 61 electoral votes): Pa (19), Mi (15), Az (11), Wisc (10) & NV (6). Doing the simple math, Trump has more paths to 270 without winning Michigan than does Harris.

I thought you were "Michiganders," R135. Either/or, then?

It's "Michiganian," R159.

[quote] Michiganian is the term used for the state's citizens in The Collections of the Michigan Pioneer and Historical Society since the 1870s.

[quote] Michigander is considered pejorative by some due to the circumstances under which the term was popularized, but others perceive no such negative connotation.

According to that map, the only "must win" for Democrats is Pennsylvania. So ......

Also, Democrats have 3 winning paths. Republicans have 5.

But that will change this week when we get new polling for Pennsylania.

Watch.

I hope the last two comments are right, because I felt sick looking at that map.

R163, you will feel better when you color Wisconsin and Michigan blue (which both states should be colored anyway).

When you do that, the only "must win" state is Pennsylvania. And both sides will need it.

I wonder if we can flip one of the light pink states.

Looking at the demographics of the three blue wall states, I'd be more optimistic about our chances in Michigan & Pennsylvania, both 80% white, than Wisconsin, 90% white.

Also, on the right side of the map there is a configuration option that lets you select the polling library used to create the map. The default map (the so called "consensus map") seems heavily weighted towards Republicans.

Fuck the polls!

Work! We gotta bust ass like we did in 2020 to kick that flaming pustule right in the cuntbone!

Don’t believe the polls. Keep working to win it ALL!

I WANT IT ALL, MOTHERFUCKERS! From the WH to the statehouse right down to the fucking OUTHOUSE! Every seat!

Run the thugs right outta town!

Wisconsin is very much a blue state now. These are Biden's polling numbers impacting this map.

[quote] I wonder if we can flip one of the light pink states. —Yes, I would like a big helping of pie in the sky.

Georgia is definitely doable, as was shown in 2020 and the Senate elections. Especially if there is a huge black turnout for Kamala.

[quote] I felt sick looking at that map.

The Electoral College map does have a buit-in republican bias. That's how republicans have won three of the six elections this century despite winning the popular vote only once.

Trump will have to change his game plan by working towards a coup that moves before the election.

We'll see how many of his zombies respond. He NEEDS to fuck up the voting in several states and then declare the election void because otherwise he's going to lose big time.

It is sickening in that it does reflect an unfair advantage to Republicans, but the bias is not as big as it looks. Republicans win a lot of land mass, which does give them more votes under our system than it should, but most of that land mass is empty. Democrats win where the people are, If you want to be really depressed (deceptively), look at the county-by-county races, which show almost the entire country in blue.

Are you kidding, R173? It gives them a massive advantage. The electoral college total count is calculated based on the number of members of Congress, including the Senate. That means that 20% of the electoral college is decided based on disproportionalities that inherently advantage the big, empty red states. It's a problem for exactly the same reason that the composition of the Senate is a problem. The whole thing has its roots in an anti-democratic compromise struck by the founders in order to keep the slave states in the union.

I'm not kidding because I never denied the significant advantage it gives them. All I am pointing out that the advantage is not as large as the color of the map would indicate. There's no need to be stupid.

Horseshit.

To get a truly fair result from the electoral college, every state's total count of electors should be reduced by 2, which is number of electors linked to the Senate. Every state gets 2.

What should actually happen is, if Montana gets 1 seat in the House of Representatives, then Montana should get 1 elector in the electoral college.

Now go back in history and run the numbers again using that math and see what happens to the Republicans.

All I am pointing out that the advantage is not as large as the color of the map would indicate. There's no need to be stupid.

Your the one being stupid. The color map is what they use to say the current system represents the fairest approach.

[quote]All I am pointing out that the advantage is not as large as the color of the map would indicate. There's no need to be stupid.

You're the one being stupid. The color map is what they use to say the current system represents the fairest approach. You think you're making an intelligent argument?

Republicans cheat when the election is close because they think nobody will notice.

So Kamala has to win by such a huge fucking margin that the GOP has no realistic way to cheat.

(Yeah I know about the election officials in swing states - to pull off what they're doing a. it'll have to be close, b. all court decisions will have to go their way. Donald was 1-59 in his court cases in late 2020.)

[quote] Also, Democrats have 3 winning paths. Republicans have 5.

I don’t understand what this means. Is it good or bad?

It’s all in your attitude r180, I shit you not. Bottom line? We gotta WIN, and we gotta win big. Yuge win. We have to smash him like a cockroach or America is dunzo.

It cannot be stated enough: do *not* get cocky. Do *not* get arrogant. Do not take America for granted. Get off your fucking ass and do what you can, don’t judge others for how much they do/don’t do, focus only on yourself and what you can do for America (without losing your mind, this is a team effort, not everyone can contribute in the same way, and you have a life to run at the same time). We CAN win, but they are not just going to hand it to us either. We need to fight for our Constitution.

R138, you can pay attention to your little maps and statistically biased information weighted towards Trump or you can actually pay attention to reality and news on the ground in these individual states over a period of time to determine what is actually happening there amongst the electorate rather than a small, magnified weighted “sample” that is hand-picked by the pollster to support their decided result.

Why would over 154,000 voters in MI suddenly switch their vote to Trump? Without any union endorsements? And a Democratic trifecta at the top of the state government? How would one account for that?

Polls have just become another opportunity for corporate media to impact the race by manipulating voter’s perceptions. Most of them are worthless.

I don’t think polls are intentionally bad. They are just weighted toward people with landlines who are willing to pick up calls from unknown numbers. The skewed representation gets worse every year and pollsters haven’t figured out how to account for it.

We have discussed this quite a bit… ElderLez is right, the polls over the last six years are undercounting Dem votes. That’s because no one except for older people pick up their phones when an unknown number calls. This includes cell phones, land lines etc (of course, younger people don’t have land lines).

[quote]That’s because no one except for older people pick up their phones when an unknown number calls.

Also the cranks and shut-ins who like nothing better than to gab about what's wrong with the world. That, too, skews the numbers.

Oh my people who have never worked in modern professional survey work going on and on again about land lines and old people . Repeating inaccurate shit they have read on line.

R186, are you manning the polls in Minsk? This is absolutely true.

R187 there is actual info one could easily find showing the break down for land line, vs Cell, vs internet vs etc for major polls and surveys.

I have worked with or around some of the best survey people in the world and they would suggest that they depend on land lines solely or by a large margin to be very ignorant opinions by the uniformed..

I have been contacted by text by people claiming to be pollsters. I always assume they are some kind of hoax. I don’t know who talks to them, but there is definitely some self-selection involved that may bias the results

Most of the calls I get from pollsters (and I get several a week lately) are flagged by my phone as Spam. If pollsters don’t realize there is a problem. That’s on them.

R188, they sound very deluded. Just because you work around them doesn’t mean jack. Polls have been underestimating Dem votes for years, so they aren’t accurate at all. And doesn’t accuracy=competence in the polling world?

The survey people who need xxx number of responses from a certain number of respondents do not call xxx of land lines cell phones or people .

They actually a model or formula they follow. And the people I worked around could spend a longer time coming up with their scientifically designed model longer than it will take the survey people to do the actual survey.

It’s actually science and math and a whole lot of other shit none but the survey professionals on DL would know or understand.

This I know what is going on because I get some calls I don’t answer is not science :-)

It’s the kind of thing I’d expect the orange one or average maga to say.

R191 polls get the answers people give them at the time they are asked. They are indications of how people feel at the moment you ask them. It’s not 100% an indication of how they will act months later in real time.

Polls are like reconnaissance work. Not a total and complete picture of what will happen but a professional first hand view of how things look “today”.

The polls are off. Look at the Suozzi vote.

OK, stupid question(s.) Why don't the pollsters allow call display that says Ipsos Polling or whatever? Second, why would the pollsters run a campaign to allow people to register to be polled? I love being polled (that kind too) but I never get called. Granted, no landline and I wouldn't pick up from unknown caller, but I can't believe these aren't solvable problems.

R192, the models no longer work. They are based on phone calls, which was reliable years ago, but is no longer in the age of spoofing and scams. You can talk all about the science, but the science has changed and this kind of polling no longer is accurate. And the results prove this—Dem votes are being undercounted, period. And no matter how much you talk about the science, if the polls aren’t accurate, nothing matters.

R194, it doesn’t matter, caller IDs are easily spoofed.

When I get my survey calls, which have only happened a few times, the caller shows up as XYZ survey entity of some sort. Clearly labeled as a polling call.

I have answered polls or surveys via land line and cell over the decades. Not often. And if I don’t answer they will call someone else.

Polls are not perfect they often disagree with each other they are just a tool professional campaigns will use to get a feel for what is going on today what are the people thinking.

The polls not the debate is what cost Biden his chance at reelection

[quote]Oh my people who have never worked in modern professional survey work going on and on again about land lines and old people . Repeating inaccurate shit they have read on line.

Exactly. If you still think landline polling methodologies are an actual thing, that is a dead giveaway that you don't know what you are talking about anymore. You're stuck in the early 2000s. Get it together dummies.

Polls for decades were consistently very accurate usually undercounting Republican votes by 1-2% because Republicans were more likely to actually vote.

The polls lately have been significantly undercounting Democratic votes, sometimes by up to 10%.

The craziest part about the polls is that the polls actually *influence* voter behavior. I suspect that’s part of the frustration you’re reading here. We almost shouldn’t discuss them because they do get inside your head — but it is what it is.

All we can do is keep telling people this is not in the bag for Dems, Kamala does have an uphill battle and she needs our help to win. Do as much as you can to help. Money is good, but time talking to people in a reasonable and humble way may have a bigger impact than giving money. I despise these conversations because I’m so disgusted with our country, but I’m still doing it anyway. I have people in my family who are ignorant hillbillies (they are good, just tribal and super dumb and fucking religious), but I’m trying to hook a few to our side by showing them that Trump says he will be a dictator. It likely won’t change their minds, but I still gotta try.

R197 you are pissing upstream.. Yes but the landline argument will be with us for decades.often by people who get calls on their cell phone they claim they don’t answer.

Millennials and Gen Z are terrified of phone calls - they won't pick up. I'm Gen X and I don't either.

[quote]Does a judge order them to do it? How long will it delay the results?

The Democrats (and I'm sure the Republicans too) have attorneys positioned everywhere to deal with voting discrepancies, polling-place irregularities, and general problems. In the event of Republicans trying to pull some shit, it will immediately head to court where judges are positioned to deal. And yes, there are crooked judges (hello Aileen Cannon!) but the majority of them will do their jobs and rule according to the law. It may delay results, but we have a month between election day and the first certification of the results in December for this very reason. Frankly, the worry is we have a repeat of 2000 in Florida where it comes down to one district/state and the Republicans immediately involved the SCOTUS, who no one doubts would throw out the legitimate results and install Trump. That's (one of the reasons) why it is important for Kamala to do well everywhere.

[quote]Will tensions escalate or no? How do the Dems do this without looking like THEY are taking over the election process?

If it's close, tensions will escalate because the only way that Republicans win is to cheat. I've said for decades that the Democrat has to win by at least 4 points; otherwise, the Republican steals it (see: Florida in 2000, where had the SCOTUS allow the vote counting to continue, Gore would have won — but we don't need to rehash that again). Dems just have to follow the law, but it will be important for there to be Democrats in the streets protesting alongside the MAGAts, which if this comes to pass I have no doubt will happen. I don't think it's going to be close, however.

[quote]Do they use local LEO or the National Guard? Will part of our military and police fail to perform their duty?

Local police will of course be the first to respond, but they are biased towards the Republicans so Democrats need to be on the lookout. If protests get out of control, governors can call in the National Guard and federal officials can encourage them to as well as grease the skids for them to. With regard to "our military", that's a trickier situation. The military does not get involved in internal policing without invocation of the Insurrection Act, something only an actually elected official can do. As I wrote, we control the apparatus, so without Biden issuing the order, the military will not get involved... unless there is a coup, which if you'd paid attention for the last 8 years, is not a possibility. Thank god for "the deep state". (And I probably shouldn't call it that because it's become code for standing up to Republicans, and will be destroyed if (((shudder))) Trump comes to power again , but there are benefits to the military honesty and adherence to ethics, and having built the system).

[quote]Will Dems allow Rethugs to encourage violence with no repercussions (incarceration)?

What, you just woke up after a 30 year hibernation? Of course the 'thugs will encourage violence without repercussion. This is why we need the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the For the People Act, to deal with Republican-rabble rousers.

[quote]Will SCOTUS decide in his favor? How do we stop SCOTUS?

If it comes down to them, they will decide for Trump. Unfortunately, there is nothing we could do to stop them. The Court is 6/9ths corrupted for the GOP. There is only one way to stop them, and if I put it in writing here how, law enforcement would likely be visiting me.

But at the end of the day, I believe Kamala will handily win.

Trump is ranting that Kamala was Indian and now has happened to turn black. I wish that kid hadn't missed.

[quote]We have discussed this quite a bit… ElderLez is right, the polls over the last six years are undercounting Dem votes.

No, ElderLez is wrong.

GOP votes are undercounted.

If GOP votes are undercounted, how come they keep doing worse in elections than the polls predicts?

Red wave?

The polls overestimate Democrats.

538 March 10 2023:

"There’s been a lot of interest in statistical bias in recent years — specifically, whether polls are systematically biased against Republicans nowadays. These concerns stem primarily from polls overestimating Democratic support in the 2016 and 2020 cycles; as the table below shows, the polls in 2015-16 had a weighted-average bias of D+3.0, and the polls in 2019-20 had an even worse weighted-average bias of D+4.7. A lot of people assumed the polls would have a similar bias again in 2022. But that assumption was wrong: For 2021-22, polls had a weighted-average bias of just D+0.8."

"Ironically, after the election, a narrative emerged that 2022 polling was actually too good for Republicans — a claim that our data doesn’t bear out, either. While the polls in a few closely watched races — like Arizona’s governorship9 and Pennsylvania’s Senate seat10 — were biased toward Republicans, the polls overall still had a bit of a bias toward Democrats. That’s because generic-ballot polls, the most common type of poll last cycle, had a weighted-average bias of D+1.9,11 and polls of several less closely watched races, like the governorships in Ohio12and Florida,13 also skewed toward Democrats. It was a weird year in that some states zigged and other states zagged; usually, polling bias in a given year is correlated from race to race."

"But if you’re trying to find patterns in polling bias from year to year … good luck. Statistical bias tends to bounce around from cycle to cycle. Sure, the polls had overestimated Democrats in three of the past four elections before 2022. "

A new radio show in the works:

“People who don’t know shit about survey spending the hour arguing about survey work”

It’s replaced our now canceled show “ cars all you need to know from people that are clueless about cars” not to be confused with our ever popular fav and still number one

“Insight into straight women and lesbians by men who vomit at the thought of a vagina”

If you know the polls are overstating Democratic support, you can adjust for that effect. What 538 is pointing out in r206 is that the expected pro-Democratic bias failed to show up in recent years.

It also points out that there is no regular pattern of bias over time.

Hmmm I don’t see r206. I wonder why.

R206 Probably because you're an idiot.

Polls, for whatever they're worth, don't predict.

They measure.

And Trump's measurements are getting smaller.

[quote] And Trump's measurements are getting smaller.

Difficult to imagine.

Good one, r212.

[quote]And Trump's measurements are getting smaller.

Nate Silver now shows Kamala with a slight lead in the general election.

What's really interesting is how she has so rapidly risen in the RCP betting averages. Expect her to overtake Trump soon.

The GOP had a whole strategy on how to deal with Kamala... but then Trump goes and opens his mouth.

I'm 62 and all calls to my phone from unknown numbers are blocked.

@r211, "Trump's measurements are getting smaller."

🍄

Well if the polls are always wrong maybe trump is pulling away from Harris by leaps and bounds? And we just don’t see it because the polls we see are showing something else completely different,

But is the economy tanking at the worst possible moment? This Trump horror story may yet have more twists and turns.

Slowing growth is not “tanking.”

The unemployment rate is still only 4.3%.

Have you seen the market's reaction yesterday & today?

And I somehow suspect that the job numbers will be revised — upward — in a couple of weeks after the "the economy is tanking!" has been fully absorbed and when no one is paying attention.

And the .2 rise was due to people who have not been looking for work starting to, R220.

I hope this is a mere blip & the market reversed itself quickly. But the memory of 2008 lives on. And Trump is the luckiest politician around.

“ I hope this is a mere blip & the market reversed itself quickly. ”

A lot of people arent doing great anyway. Unless the market crashes, I’d be surprised if this affects her at all

I don't know. People have been pretending for years that a very, very low unemployment rate and constant job creation doesn't matter at all. So I'm not sure I'm going to suddenly decide that a slight slowdown in hiring is now the only that matters in the economy.

R202, I’m the poster you’re quoting, I enjoyed your post. However, I can’t help but asking about the thing you alluded to with LEO contacting you — I cannot imagine what that means. Sorry if I’m too stupid to see it, but this is all unprecedented, how exactly does one stop corrupt judges? You said there is “one way”.

I have been paying attention, obviously most posters here are, and yet we all have different sources and experiences, so our perceptions won’t always align at the same time.

Bottomline = overwhelm them at the ballot box, get out in the streets at election time.

This election may very well be less about policy and more about the "vibe".

Yes, it's a result of the dumbing down of society but the Kamala campaign is taking it and running with it.

Expect TikTok videos of her cooking soul food.

The female equivalent of “someone you’d like to have a beer with”, r228.

And that’s just fine with me.

Yes, the "vibe" of the government tracking women's menstrual cycles, restricting abortion & other loss of rights is what it's about.

Joe Biden was prescient at the State of the Union address when he faced the Supreme Court judges and said: "With all due respect, justices, women are not without...electoral or political power. You're about to realize just how much...."

White married women tend to vote in presidential races much like their husbands. So much so that Trump has won the total white women (including singles) both times.

well, certainly have tended to, r231. I do think abortion politics have already upended that, to a significant extent, but of course, remains to be seen.

R231 yet more while women in total voted for Biden than black women did. It’s a numbers issue.

There are so many phone scams that if I saw “XYZ Survey’ I’d automatically think it was a scammer trying to get personal information that they’d throw into their questions. What age group are you? What gender? What’s your zip code? What’s your political party? What’s your income bracket? Do you own your own home. Are you a renter? How long have you rented at this address? Do you have children? What’s your educational level?

I’m not answering nuffin for nobody nowadays.

[quote] 2016 election polls estimated Hillary Clinton had a 90% chance of beating Donald Trump

She did beat Trump. The polls weren’t wrong. The polls were predicting overall votes in 50 states. They weren’t predicting election college results. The percentage points were based on a national vote.

There is literally no point in polling anyone outside of swing states.

Now there’s no point in polling anyone outside of the Supreme Court

R235 are you suggesting there were no state by state polls showing Clinton beating Trump and winning in the EC?

No one that lived thru that time could possibly believe that,

Hillary was the favorite to win the election. Pollsters didn’t just figure out yesterday that an election isn’t determined by the popular vote. Trump won a surprise upset victory because up until maybe a week or two before the election, it looked like the « blue wall » was going to hold (i.e. the aggregate polls predicted a Hillary victory). She did not win the election; the polls were off by a mile.

There were a good number of undecideds in 2016, and the majority broke for Trump, giving him very slim edges in just enough (three) states. Hard to predict (though the yard-sign counters like Michael Moore were issuing warnings).

In fairness, she probably would have pulled it out, but for her own reputation being vulnerable to what Comey did.

The MAGA passion just isn’t raging anymore. I’ve mentioned this in other threads and I’ve witnessed the passion wane over the past couple years.

I live in Michigan and I’m a boater. In 2020, almost every boat in the marina had a Trump flag waving aggressively. And they were such assholes! Having stupid boat parades in the marina. Blaring Trump chants from blow horns. Terrorizing anyone who objected to their behavior. It truly was scary.

After Biden won, flags started coming down. Last year I spotted only 4. This year only 2. That’s done from dozens in 2020. The morons will still vote for him but they’ve turned their obsessive focus to sports teams and the like.

Even my handyman, who thinks Fox News is too liberal and had every goddamned Trump bumper sticker on his truck, didn’t care whether Trump got the nomination. He said he would have been happy with Desantis.

We have passion, enthusiasm and momentum on our side. They’ve just got a lunatic who’s not even entertaining anymore and his creepy, fascist sidekick.

Oh, and I live in Michigan. Kamala will sail to victory here. The Mitten will save the country!

R240, could the rightwing boaters be waiting for the fall to get their Trump gear up? Did they have their flags and parades this early in 2020?

The FBI stepped in and worked its magic. My husband started cursing at Hillary Clinton when Comey made 5h3 announcement. “WTF is wrong with her? She’s such an asshole! She can’t do anything right! She’s incompetent! She ruined everything! She fucked it all up!”

There. Was. Absolutely. No.proof. Of. Any. Wrongdoing. Whatsoever.

It was 100% innuendo.

I said, “Where? Show me lawbreaking. Show me what in the fuck they’re even talking about. They’ve had Weiner’s laptop for weeks!”

Of course, it was later shown the emails had already been vetted and there was nothing wrong. Giuliani, Comey and Charles McGonigal should be serving life imprisonment for that. They should’ve been in jail for the last 8 years. Top media executives should’ve been eliminated from their jobs.

But here we are with that drug-addled, demented orange shitstain running for president again and drug-addled billionaires tripping balls all over social media with bots and trolls

R241 yep, they had those goddamned flags on their boats the minute they hit water in 2020. I wasn’t surprised that there are so few this year. They just don’t seem to care anymore. They’ll still vote but I guess that it’s too much work to maintain that level of assholery over several years.

Fun fact— another boater scoured the FBI website of photos of unidentified Jan 6 insurgents to see if we could identify any of the assholes from the marina who we knew attended. And she found two! One of the idiots had his pic taken as he was cocking his arm to punch a cop in the face.

I turned it over to my brother in law, an FBI agent. The put the guy under surveillance and arrested him…not at his home but at the marina where he was escorted off his boat and down the dock. My brother in law said he called in a favor to get him arrested at the marina as a gift to me. It was delicious. The fucking baby cried and screamed on the entire march to the FBI car.

Sadly, they had to let him go because there was some issue with not being able to confirm through his cell phone that he was in the Capitol. Still, it was magnificent and he’s never returned to the marina.

Trump has mega wealthy tech on his side and Musk,Zuckerberg etc. don’t want to pay taxes + down turn in economy making it worse.Hope Harris hope can do it.

I’m in a blue state and the only political signs & flags & bumper stickers I see are Trump / MAGA / Take America Back. Granted D’s aren’t a cult, and support for Biden was tepid, and the Harris campaign hasn’t had a ton of time to print and distribute signs. Nevertheless, in the world I’m living in, Trump fever is still widespread and as strong as ever.

I was on a trip that, starting on July 21 (the day Biden endorsed Harris), took me from MA through NY state, PA around Erie, northern OH, and MI, usually on state and county roads. I did see mostly Trump signs and flags (one cluster of Biden-Brown-Kaptur signs in OH), but in hindsight I'm wondering why I didn't see more.

I doubt you will see Harris signs before she has a VP.

Folks, don't fall for the Peggy Noonan yard sign fallacy.

I don’t want to be overly optimistic but I sure hope you’re right, OP. There is definitely not as much feverish enthusiasm for him this time around that is for sure.

I’d be more worried if he picked a more charismatic or likable running mate but he really picked the biggest dud he could find. Vance doesn’t even please the white supremacists, due to having a wife and children of color. It was a bizarre choice and I wonder what his logic (if any) was other than Vance being a semi-celebrity and total bootlicker.

[quote]R249: It was a bizarre choice and I wonder what his logic (if any) was other than Vance being a semi-celebrity and total bootlicker.

Trump did it in order to try to kiss back up to Peter Thiel, with whom he'd previously been on the outs. J.D. Vance is Thiel's man.

R250 it’s an odd choice on Peter Thiel’s part then, although I guess all he really cares about is destabilizing the dollar and getting his crypto money.

[quote] I was on a trip that, starting on July 21 (the day Biden endorsed Harris), took me from MA through NY state, PA around Erie, northern OH, and MI, usually on state and county roads. I did see mostly Trump signs and flags (one cluster of Biden-Brown-Kaptur signs in OH), but in hindsight I'm wondering why I didn't see more.

No one believes that you were on a “trip” that just happened to take you through the residential areas where you would see signs and flags like this.

If it was a road trip, you would have been on the interstate. If it was travel by air then you would have been to and from the airport and perhaps a business travel destination.

Stop making shit up and trying to scare people.

Everyone is tired of the cunt and his cunting. That's what is happening. Dingbats and bots can dance around it all they like, but the boredom has set in, and that is a thing that is very difficult to reverse. It worked in 2016, somewhat in 2020, but now it's all played out and the tedium is the primary thing.

Sorry, R252, but between the various rural places I was going to visit friends and make other stops, and the eccentricity of Waze, I was on 90 and 17/86 and 96 (MI) for relatively short stretches; otherwise on NY 79 and 96, OH 2 (where I saw the Biden-Brown-Kaptur signs), and various smaller roads around there and in MI that all took me past farms, houses, and small-town commercial areas. But why you'd think my mild observation that I saw fewer Trump signs than one might expect was an attempt to scare people with elaborate lies is anybody's guess. Have you never been on a roadtrip?

He is in GA today at the same venue Kamala filled last week - it's not full for him and he's ranting about the Repug governor and Secretary of State for being "disloyal" (in between his greatest hits, racism and Hannibal Lecter).

Sad last days!

It's like watching a stale old vaudeville act still struggling along in the 1930s. It's just all kind of stale and sad. Grandpa, nobody actually wants to see your juggling act again, doing blackface about the bug-eyed darkie woman, or the way you and JD Vance spritz each other. Maybe in 20 years it will have a nostalgic appeal, but right now, it's just, well, let's just quietly exit the stage and regroup, okay?

They didn't even clap for Vance. They barely clapped for Trump. He just rambled for over an hour. The crowd scrolled through their phones and could only cheer when he said some racist shit. I'd normally feel sorry for the Black people in the audience, but they got their 50 bucks and they still didn't set the rhythm for the traditional "DANCE TO THE GAY ANTHEMS"

R254, I too took a road trip in July, though through different areas, and I too noticed that there was way less energy in Trump signage. That poster is an alarmist — if we can’t even post simple observations, then WTF are we doing here?

If this is how he's going to attack Kamala then they are in serious trouble.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Just stale. Oh no, Kamala doesn't want to say Merry Christmas.

Seriously, you dumb old cunt, stealing Bill O'Reilly's act from 20 years ago?

I said it on another thread: a month ago we were worried about him like in 2016 or 2020; today he looks like yesterday's news lining the bird cage. I'm getting Bob Dornan '96 vibes.

Correction: meant to say Bob Dornan '98.

I don't even remember that there was such a person as a Bob Dornan. The name looks familiar.

R259, she'll just release some of her Christmas cards from the past years.

Stop.

You smell of cunt.

[quote] if we can’t even post simple observations, then WTF are we doing here?

Praying for Pete's ascendancy?

Stop doing this to me, guys. I got my whole thing going on, and honestly, being Miss Runnerup ain't going to be it, mmmkay. Just stop, thanks.

What the hell is up with his Hannibal Lecter obsession — I cannot figure it out at all. Has he just completely lost his mind and become fixated on this in his dementia?

Speaking of spells that need to break, you guys trapped under the Buttigieg thrall need to get real. He’s never going to be president, let alone VP.

[quote] I'm getting Bob Dornan '96 vibes.

Now that's a name I've not thought of in a long time.

Color me surprised that he's even still alive.

Yeah, gotta say, a Bob Dornan reference, but then again, we are an interesting demographic here.

He had lots of empty seats at the Georgia rally. Blamed the venue, said they wouldn’t let all the people in.

Dragged Kemp through the mud for the 2020 election results and not helping him

Congratulated Putin on the release of the 4 Americans

It's all just tedious isn't it? Just the same old, same old, with no upside. Kara Swisher, who I find informed and obnoxious, made my head nod today when she said on CNN: "Grandpa had a bad week."

Dare I say it? He’s near the end. Because he’s now blah.

He’s in obvious mental decline. So far Kamala has the right strategy — don’t take the bait, instead give him the ol’ “ok grandpa, now let’s get you back to bed” treatment. Don’t act aggrieved and morally outraged, rather point out how tired his racism schtick has gotten over the decades. He has no new material. He’s a loser from the 80s and he needs to be put out to pasture.

Agree that Kamala is using the right strategy R274. I don't think anyone should count their chickens yet but it does seem like Dump's grip is waning.

I don't care WHAT happens as long as he isn't re-elected in November.

This is a spell, this is!

R274 is right, and the fact that Harris isn't taking the bait and isn't reacting with indignation but rather with "you're weird and boring" further infuriates Trump. He doesn't know how to handle that type of response.

They want to make her ethnic identity an issue and yet I never hear her talking about how she identifies at all, because it's irrelevant. With all of the real and extremely serious issues in the US and the world right now, they are focused on her heritage, her "low IQ" (do you really want to go there, Donnie?), and whether she will let people say "Merry Christmas"? I guess they know their base is a bunch of knuckle-draggers, but their base is not going to win this election for them.

R278 is right. The MAGA base isn't big enough to win this for Trump.

One may not like the source, but the sentiment is most welcome.

[quote] + down turn in economy

What downturn? Are you talking about the minor stock market correction on Friday (in which it merely lost the previous 8 days' gains)?

Go ahead, pin your hopes on a crashing economy. Just be honest with us when the latest economic news comes out showing the US is still the strongest economy in the world (thanks, Joe!), literally holding the entire world's economy up while China suffers more real estate collapse and Russia's GDP continues its free-fall as their inflation soars.

Ax has a somewhat different view. Although I agree with the underlying message that it's way too premature to think this race is in the bag for Harris.

[quote]whether she will let people say "Merry Christmas"?

At some point in the campaign she should end a speech with a line like "And though it's early, if we don't see each other again for awhile, let me be the first to wish you a very Merry Christmas!"

Trump and Vance are so absurd. The Harris team should turn everything into a joke.

R282, between his "irrational exuberance" remark and sagging jowls, Axelrod seems to be taking on a distinctly Greenspan persona. Hot!

CBS: Harris erases Trump's 5-point lead over Biden in previous CBS poll. Now Harris is +1 nationally and Harris and Trump are even in the battleground states.

I can't make myself watch but wtf is Axelrod's point? Does he want Democrats to give up? Kill themselves? What?

Axelrod and Plouffe do not get along, as he was fired and replaced by Plouffe during Obama's reelection bid in 2012. There's a lot of bad blood between them. Now that Plouffe has been hired by Harris, any commentary on Harris's campaign is going to be tainted.

Axelrod wanted Obama to replace Biden when he ran for reelection, but Plouffe was adamant that Biden be kept. It's not surprising that Axelrod has been overly critical on the Biden presidency during his CNN appearances. He'll probably do the same to Harris.

Thanks for the explanation R287. I'll feel better about refusing to watch him.

Just about every bumper sticker and sign in my area was for Trump but Biden won our county by 17 points! Right wingers love signs and symbols and flags.

R3 They don't need world class security. Trump et al can just make stuff up. It's not like any of the MAGAts will demand any evidence.

@r289. "Right wingers love signs and symbols and flags."

Without the boat parades they've got nuttin' 😂

I haven't watched the video linked @R282, but I've seen Axelrod enough to know that he's pissed that he isn't included in the cool kids clique and pisses all over them whenever given the opportunity. "Irrational exuberance"? Really, Ax? And the fact that Kamala has erased Trump's lead in less than 2 weeks, taken the lead in 4 of 7 battleground states (Michigan by 11!), and clearly has the momentum heading into the VP selection (which will give her a bump) and then the DNC (which will give her a bump) means,.. nothing to the bitter old fool who talked his way out of the campaign HQ.

Don't go away mad, Ax, just go away.

If you read/listen to the whole thing he is cautious, not pessimistic. My italics.

"There's a lot of irrational exuberance on the Democratic side of the aisle right now [italic]because[/italic] there was despair for some period of time about what November was going to look like.

Now people feel like there's a chance. But it is absolutely Trump's race to lose right now. He is ahead and he is ahead in most of the battleground states. They are close, they can be won by either candidate. But there's a lot to be determined in the next 90-whatever days -- 96 or what it is left.

So yes, I think it's a wide-open race, but Trump has the advantage right now and nobody should -- nobody should be, nobody should be -- everybody should be sober about that on the Democratic side."

He's wrong about the polling I think but it is not yet established KH is running away with it. I think she will establish a decent lead yet.

I prefer the take at R280.

If we are reporting on yard signs and bumper stickers, I have seen two of each for dump and couch fucker.

People around here tend not to put up Democratic signs, even though this is a blue county, because the trumptards are FUCKING ASSHOLES and will shoot at your signs, rip them out or otherwise vandalize your property.

They feel entitled to do this, which is why they worship that hateful prick to begin with - he reeks of the entitlement they feel, too.

As someone unfortunate enough to live in a deep red southern state, I am happy to report that I haven't seen one Trump/Maga sign here. This area was covered with Trump signage a few years ago.

[quote] there was despair for some period of time

No offense to you, R293, but that [italic]period of time[/italic] that Ax oh-so-cautiously mentions is the four weeks between blowing the election at the debate and Biden's announcement that he was stepping down. And indeed, there was despair; we all saw and most of us felt it. What Ax ignores is the fact that Harris' entry as the de facto nominee has energized the party, specifically the base, unlike anything we've seen since Obama ousted Hillary in 2008, and even that isn't a particularly correlated example (mostly because the diehard Joe supporters quickly accepted the reality facing them and did not even consider a PUMA attitude).

Axelrod is trying to position himself as a wise party elder, not the debbie downer who loves to rain on a parade that he is. Look, it's rough being told your opinion means little to the people running the show... but that doesn't mean that his opinion is worth discussing, let alone his own self high estimation.

The Never Trumpers, R296, have made the Democratic Party a much bigger tent.

I spent twenty years in comms strategy and if there's one thing I saw blow up time and time again, it was irrational exuberance or anything like it. The attacks haven't started yet, not meaningfully. If this isn't an uphill battle, it should be treated like one. Everybody saw what happened with the overconfidence of the Hillary campaign.

R295, that's why I won't put a Harris bumper sticker on my car even though I'm in a purplish area. I don't want the hassle of my car being vandalized, or worse, becoming the victim of road rage at the hands of a MAGA freak.

Kamala is hated in America. She had no chance of winning. Democrats are poised to take Congress though. The DNC knows she will lose. Kamala is taking the fall for Congressional members.

Okay, Trollina at R301.

Nervous today after those polls?

R295 Agree 💯. I don't cover my vehicle in Democratic bumper stickers because MAGA are violent, easily triggered assholes. I too don't want to get involved in a road rage incident or hike in a rural area to return to my vehicle with slashed tires and broken windows.

I don't need to engage with these fuckers, I just need to vote.

I’ve blocked r301 and I only block trolls. So whatever they posted is horse shit. As a reminder, we talked in 2020 about how yard signs are meaningless. The cultists use them, and the rest of us don’t want our cars keyed so we don’t use them. The last time I had any political stuff was an Obama bumper sticker in 2008.

The troll ^^ said the same thing in the "streams have crossed" thread.

What I want to know is, should we hope that RFK Jr stays in the race? He's holding steady at 5%. Are those potential Trump votes that will go to the Dumper of RFK drops out?

Or will the RFK people not vote for anyone if he drops out? I think that hurts Dump and the downticket Repubs because they weren't voting for Harris anyway.

R301 was all over DL saying the same thing in the early days of Harris's campaign: that Harris was a doomed candidate who was intended only to shore up the down-ticket vote (not sure I buy that logic anyway). She took a week or so to retool her argument, but after multiple reports on massive D fundraising and gains in the swing state polls, she seems to have come up with nothing better than her original jeremiad.

I'd guess, R305, that RFK Jr takes more votes away from Trump: the anti-vax types who are more libertarian than far-right. That's what recent polling makes me think.

Republicans for Harris is trending on Twitter. Her campaign is so smart to reach out to Republicans who don't like him, in particular all those Nikki Haley voters during the primary.

This video explains it all:

Some people liked Hillary Clinton and most people thought she was going to win. But the word exuberance and Hillary Rodham Clinton are two things that don’t belong in the same sentence.

[quote] Republicans for Harris is trending on Twitter

It's X, and I'm closing this group down for violating some rule or other!

R309, if the mood here wasn't exuberant, I don't know what was. They're still fighting over her defeat.

R308 Good shit. That guy in the vid looks like he came off a weekend binge of coke and booze.

R301, go back to your sewer, rat.

R300- Same here. These are the same people who glared at me for wearing a mask in the mist of a global pandemic.

Me too. Miserable lib in Mississippi! I still have Obama stuff - stickers and a jumper that I never dared to use - and a coffee mug with his birth certificate on it (that I did dare to use around a few wingnuts). Fun days (after he won!) I walked around literally crying for joy and thinking of every wonderful Black person in my life, many who didn't live long enough to see it.

Yeah I was a firm Hillary supporter but that campaign was never what I would call exuberant. The BernieBros made it miserable from the primary through the election. Thank god they have mostly faded from the scene.

See R280, R301. If you dare.

The definition of bravery and willingness to fight to save democracy is having bumper stickers but being afraid to use the bumper stickers. Not quite the minutemen of revolutionary times

The greatest generations we aren’t.

That might be true if putting a bumper sticker on your car accomplished enough to compensate for the property damage. It's a bumper sticker, Nathan Hale.

r316 I voted for Hillary but felt she ran a very lackluster campaign. She acted entitled and spent most of her time doing glitzy fundraisers while Trump was barnstorming. She was too fucking lazy to run a real campaign. And her surrogates were god awful. But it's ancient history and Kamala is a very different candidate. Trump will lose and the Supreme Court essentially gave Biden immunity to put a stop to any nonsense in its tracks. I'm feeling really good about things.

Is anyone else having problems posting on iPhone? I had to get on my computer to comment here.

Trollina upthread was repeating ad nauseam a week or two ago that this feels like 2016. No, we all said, it feels like 2008.

Oof 2016 election will be studies for decades

I respect Hilary and think she would have been a better at actually being president than Bill was; but goddamn she had absolutely no campaign skills (unlike Bill).

Whenever she wanted to communicate "energy" or "enthusiasm" all she could muster was that off-putting near yell. I've heard she, like Gore, can be very funny and warm in person -- but they were totally unable to be either in public.

study in contrasts... Trump rslly.

Georgia:

Does anyone feel that he is close to narcissistic collapse?

Yes R326 I think he's completely losing it. He knows he's losing and he knows he's going to prison. I think he's going to have a One Flew Over the Cukoo's Nest level mental break. As the debate date nears, he's going to come more and more unglued.

R327- Thank you. I believe so too. I do wonder if his rabid cult will ever turn on him. Wouldn't that be beautiful?

Everyone feeling like Trump has been vanquished - he’s now being given unlimited money via PACs by foreign oligarchs who live in and actively work against America and Americans. It’s time we put a limit in the number of rich people we allow to emigrate here. I don’t mind the poor coming here for a better life but I mind the rich coming here to undermine the electorate. Stop giving citizenship out to obvious foreign agents.

Get ready for social media to be blitzed, for people to be bombarded with billionaire-funded videos on YouTube. They’re nowhere near being out of ammo. They don’t need to build Trump up. They just need to pull democrats down and they know how to do it. Voting fuckery will abound.

Object of Trump ire, former Lt. Gov Geoff Duncan, pulls no punches:

[quote]“We have to call him out for what he is. He’s a felonist thug who walks down the street and throws sucker punches at people like Brian Kemp, like African American journalists, like John McCain, and the list goes on and on and on again,” Duncan continued.

[quote]“And the Republican Party is content sitting across the street watching it happen and not calling them out, not jumping into that fight and saying, ‘You are wrong for us,’” he said.

[quote]Duncan, who has said he’s voting for Vice President Harris in 2024, thinks Trump will lose the election in November and force the GOP to reexamine its platform and priorities.

An American "Geoff" - well I never.

[quote] thinks Trump will lose the election in November and force the GOP to reexamine its platform and priorities

The first may happen but, if history is any guide, never the second.

[quote]An American "Geoff" - well I never.

In all your life or just regular?

[quote]Kamala is hated in America. She had no chance of winning.

R301 = Donald Trump Jr.

I really like his posts:

One major reason why Trump will lose, is because he cannot help overplaying his hand. It's not strategic. It's not careless. It's barely conscious. It's reflexive, instinctive, involuntary - a natural byproduct of his extreme pathological dysfunction. He can't admit wrongdoing, fault, or even minor imperfection, and this applies to matters large OR small (e.g. - the Sharpie weather map). Accordingly, every poor choice he makes, gets compounded, and every mistake he makes, gets doubled down. He's been narcissistically battered and he's increasingly desperate to reclaim his grandiosity (which he never will). And the more desperate he becomes, the more subservient he is to his own aberrance. He's not only a malignant narcissist, he's also in decline, and he is - now and for the rest of his miserable life - truly owned by his disorders.

^ Good things come to those who wait! 🙏 he strokes out election night when he loses in a landslide.

More:

Trump is losing, and he's feeling it. Ads targeting him are driving him crazy. Kamala's getting big crowds. His running mate sucks, and he's trapped. Poll numbers are declining. His opponent is more in the narrative than he is. Soon she'll announce her running mate. Then comes the DNC. Then comes another polling bump. Look for a meltdown after that.

Things haven’t been going great and the old man gives the same lame ass speech night after night, so let’s try some smoke machines.

He doesn't even say anything... just that bullshit MAGA noise... but he hasn't even given a hint of what he would do if elected again. Now I know it's nothing but even dumb Maggots can figure out he's talking shit now. The only thing they've been linked to in terms of policy is Project 2025 and that's worse than shit... it's crazy evil shit.

What has worried me so much is how they don't care what they say or do, as if they know they don't have to worry about votes.

The late, great Hannibal Lecter…he’s a doctor. A scientist. Doctors and scientists love me. I get them and they get me because of my genes, my great genes. It’s in my family. My uncle did the nuclear, he was a professor, my sister was a judge. It’s all there. They know I get them all.

I ask questions and they love it. Kamala, she has no genes to speak of. She doesn’t know what she is! One day she’s Indian, another day she’s black. Who knows, right? She’s never built a fortune, She works for other people. How can she be a leader if she’s always under someone else? And she’s always under a man, do you notice that? Always under a man. Joe Biden. Willie Brown. That’s not feminist.

Look at my wife, the beautiful Melania. She’s far prettier than Kamella. She was First Lady. That’s first! First Lady. Top of the line. But Carmela is always second best, you know, and she’s not pretty. She’s kind of sloppy looking, right? Sloppy second. And not a lady. Not a lady. Maybe she has a hormone problem, I dunno. There’s got to be a reason, you know? Got to be a reason.

But Melania is beautiful and she is First Lady, always has been. You want to see her in the White House, all dressed in white, all sparkly. Not muddy, you know? Not muddy at all. Clean! She’s very clean.

The spell is broken with Harris, OP? I'd say the spell was broken with Biden, who beat him.

R341- Despite his overwhelming love for Mercedes, you just know that racist pos is going to say the n-word out loud. He has no filter.

@r342, Yes, Biden beat him, but his big mistake was not continuing to beat him until there wasn't a breath left in his stinky fat body 😠

Trump won the first time he ran when he was a novelty. He lost the second time and it will be repeated the third time.

[quote]I'd say the spell was broken with Biden, who beat him.

It's 2024 and Trump beat Biden.

He was crushing him in the polls so badly, Biden was kicked out of his campaign for the WH.

Trump vs Kamala? Now that's a different story. ...

Crushing Sleepy Joe. I was crushing him. That’s why they put Carmine up for president. Unknown, where’s she been? At the border. At the border failing. She let Hannibal Lecter get asylum. Can you believe it? Let him in the country and he’s having friends for dinner. Your friends, my friends. He ate their brains. He ate their brains while they were A-L-I-V-E. So wrong. It’s so wrong.

I don’t know if she’s a woman. Is she a woman? Does anyone know? What’s the definition? I’m not sure what Camilla is. Is she black, is she Indian, is a woman, is she a man? We don’t know. She has no children. Does she have a CAT? What’s a cat? Do we know? Is it a dog? Is it a pussy? Nobody knows. Does Carina have a pussy? I didn’t wanna say it. Bu5 yiu know I have to. I have to. There’s nothing wrong with that they’d say. Nothing wrong here.

God, ^ that's so him.

[quote] It's 2024 and Trump beat Biden.

No, R346, Dump did NOT beat Biden in 2024. Biden beat him in the ACTUAL election in 2020 when no one else could. It was Biden who broke the spell.

[quote]Trump won the first time he ran when he was a novelty.

Now he's like a cheap-ass novelty that isn't selling and that's been tossed into a clearance bin at Party City.

All they has is fear and hate:

"All they have to sell is fear, panic, resentment, strife, unhappiness and division. It’s their brand."

Have. ^

[quote]No, [R346], Dump did NOT beat Biden in 2024.

Certainly not in the election.

But Biden's miserable showing in the polls vs. Trump is what got Biden canned.

Pelosi, Schumer. Obama saw the writing on the wall: Biden could not beat Trump.

[quote] But Biden's miserable showing in the polls vs. Trump is what got Biden canned.

And in doing so, Biden catapulted Harris, who's doing much better than Biden himself was and who is neck and neck or ahead of Dump in early polls, R353.

Sounds like a win to me.

Yep. Sounds like win!

Yes, R355, that will surely sink her. Fuck outta here.

Hey r355, Dumb bitch. Go take your nap so you'll be fresh for BINGO tonight.

What's the problem? She sounds adorable!

R355/R358 BLOCKED.

Why do people announce when they block someone. It comes across so desperate. Just block them and move the fuck on.

My God R359, does Kamala in her own words bother you so? She sounds like a fun gal.

Because, R360, I want them to know they're cunts. The more cunts get blocked (especially in an election year), the healthier it feels. Now kindly fuck off.

Out of vodka, R355/R358?

Unless... the Russiapublicans release some very damaging kompromat in the next couple months. Everyone knows Democrats are cancelled for the tiniest of things, while Republicans get away with murder.

Didn't happen in 2020, R364.

He get gift of turnip r363.

I’ve never understand the MAGAtty obsession with thinking being alert and aware is bad a thing. I get that they prefer to be brain dead or out of it on fentanyl themselves. But why do they insist it’s bad for other people to be woke. It’s creepy and weird.

Hey, r360, I blocked you a long time ago... Just wanted to announce it 😜

I truly hope you are right. This country cannot survive another four years of this racist pile of orange rotting dog shit.

I bet Crybaby Jenna knows where all the bodies are buried. And she's squealing.

[quote]What the hell is up with his Hannibal Lecter obsession — I cannot figure it out at all. Has he just completely lost his mind and become fixated on this in his dementia?

The theory I've heard on social media is nuts - that Donald literally gets "asylum" as in political refugees seeking asylum all mixed up with asylum as in insane asylum. He always pivots from whining about refugees at the border to Hannibal Lecter.

No, I read that it's because he claims insane asylum inmates and criminals are being released from Latin America into the US, and Hannibal Lecter is an analogy that readily occurs to him. But I admit I'm not a close student of T-Rump's ramblings.

Also a strong theory, R372. To be honest God knows what actually goes on in that rotting squirrel cage of a brain.

Re Arizona false electors

[quote] When Bowers asked for proof of election fraud, Giuliani said he had proof but Ellis had advised that it was left back at a hotel room, the indictment said. No proof was provided to Bowers.

I mean, how stupid are these people? It’s on par with “dog ate my homework”.

Maybe he thinks he's upping his MEAN cred for his base. Might be confusing for them though. Does it get a lot of traction among his .

Trump was very embarrassed by confusing Anthony Hopkins with the movie character Hannibal Lecter. It made him seem old, confused and unhip. So every rally he has to pretend he did it on purpose, and tells the lame joke over and over about Hannibal having you for dinner.

It's interesting to watch the audiences behind him onstage. They really don't listen to him. They know what he is. Unless he's pottymouthing one of the 'ELITES' they're envious of- and will never be. That always peps them up.

That’s exactly it r376. When he fucks up, he doubled down. He would have been better off ignoring it as a gaffe and laughing it off, but he can’t help himself.

This thread may be redundant now, but can anyone deny that the spell is definitely broken?

No r378, can't deny it. Well-worded statement. Cheers to OP.

If any of you believe OP you’re easily fooled-OP is a Trumper. Lazy Dems. wont vote. ‘’ I’m too busy to vote” ‘’He couldn’t possibly win’’ yeah don’t vote Democracy is permanent like air…

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