Leader of Hamas killed in Iran

[quote]Hamas accused Israel of killing Mr. Haniyeh, who led the Hamas political operations from exile in Qatar, in Tehran.

Oh, that’s a shame. Hamas leaders sitting out the war in comfy Qatar should prob curtail their travel to Tehran, or anywhere, for the next hundred years.

"We're safe now- I killed him"

Well, it's about time.

Can I have his stuff?

When are the Russians going to grow a pair?

Wait. Will this affect Harris?

Negatively?

Should we be concerned?

Cynthia Nixon has gone on hunger strike again

Was he thrown off a building?

Was he caught sucking dick?

Oh nice! Well done whoever killed this evil shitbag, someone in Mossad I presume, they've just made the world a little bit of a better place. Hope they get a payrise and a promotion.

Here's a non paywalled article about this, apparently they also killed a Hezbollah leader the same day

[quote]Haniyeh’s death comes just a hours after Israel claimed it killed the top military commander of Hezbollah, a Lebanon-based group, also backed by Iran.

A great day for humanity!

[quote]Was he thrown off a building?

R8 That would be SO appropriate!

RASHIDA SAD 😢

OMG just realise RASHIDA is an anagram of SAD HAIR

Will Rashida cover her hair as a mark of respect?

He had great ammo, but couldn’t live forever.

So precise. They could have taken out all of the Iran leadership too. Mossad sends a message.

God I'm glad I don't live in the Middle East.

Anyone who resists our genocide is a monster who must immediately be assassinated!!!

[Quote] So precise. They could have taken out all of the Iran leadership too. Mossad sends a message.

How about the Israeli leadership? After all they’ve just murdered at least 90,000 people.

[quote]How about the Israeli leadership? After all they’ve just murdered at least 90,000 people.

AT LEAST? Can you provide data on this?

For those of you that only 1968 from history books, you are about to see the mother of all demonstration riots in your life.

Chicago and its August and the Dems have a convention,

Killing civilians and kids, especially by the 10,000s is never OK unless you have god on your side

How can it be genocide when Palestinians are Arabs and there are plenty of Arabs thriving in myriad other countrys?

R21, is that really where you want to go as a defense? The Nazi were never going to succeed, so who cares? Besides, Palestinians are Palestinians. Insisting that everyone who speaks Arabic is an “Arab” gives “they all look alike to me” British Empire vibes.

It’s not genocide for many reasons, but that isn’t one of them.

The fact that there are other Arabs outside of Palestine is irrelevant. Just as the fact that there were other Jews outside Europe was irrelevant.

Cool.

War is over.

Indict Netanyahu!

R23, what are the reasons it isn't genocide then?

Good. The war on Terror is a war against cockroaches.

You have to hammer them until they stop moving and when they begin to move, hammer them again.

A cockroach is not dead until other cockroaches cannibalize the dead husk.

Netanyahu REALLY does not want those hostages back.

Civilian casualties in a war are not the same thing as a systematic effort to exterminate an entire population.

Iran will fight Israel until the last Arab dies.

Iranians, of course, are Persian themselves, not Arabs.

R28, true, but that creepy torture camp Israel is running is a bit of a flashing red light.

R29, one of the stranger results of this war is that Iran may wind up being on better terms with the U.S. Currently the U.S. and the U.K. are trying to persuade Iran not to retaliate for Haniyeh's assassination. I can only imagine the conversations in which they all commiserate about loathsome Netanyahu is.

Did they wake up Biden to tell him?

There are Israeli hardliners whose position coincides with Russia's in that Russia was behind the entire October attack, orchestrating it through Iran which is a client state of theirs. Iran is also got lucrative contracts from Putin to manufacture weapons for the war in Ukraine. it is Russia's belief that if the United States is too preoccupied with supplying weapons and resources to Israel it will weaken their ability to provide resources to the Ukrainians. Now Biden put together a pretty decent peace proposal. And Netanyahu reluctantly promised he'd try to work something out to settle this mess. The guy who was killed was the main guy Hamas sent to negotiate for the peace proposal. Many of their talks occured in Qatar. Whatever. The guy who was killed was regarded as a moderate. So now t he peace negotiations have been derailed. Ask yourself who benefits from screwing up the peace negotiations? Whoever killed this I bet his bank account got fatter with Rubles.

R32 here. What I meant to say in that first sentence is that the Israeli hardliners position coincides with Russia's interests. The Israeli hardliners want the Palestinians wiped off the map. Netanyahu is a whore who should be in prison.

[quote]The Israeli hardliners want the Palestinians wiped off the map.

And that would be wrong? If so, do you think it's wrong to want to wipe Israel off the map?

This tweet says the Taliban blames Iran, FWIW. I cannot find another source for that notion, and I cannot interpret the audio, which I'm guessing is Pashto.

Interesting, r32, but for the fact that Hamas spent two decades installing its war tunnels all throughout Gaza—did Russia pay for all that, on the off chance that it might want to attack Ukraine in 2022?

As well, Hezbollah's military capability dwarfs Hamas's, built to attack Israel from southern Lebanon. Did Russia pay for that too?

Look no further than Iran.

R34 Israel is walking right into a trap. The geography has not changed. They are surrounded by Muslim nations. Qatar, Jordan and Egypt are holding some of the other countries back from going after Israel. In years passed Israel dealt effectively with the Arab nations in war because the Arab nations had shitty military. But that has changed in recent years. They now have sophisticated weapons and military advisors. If Israel goes too far out on a limb, Egypt and Jordan won't be able to stop the conflict from widening and we will be force to participate. Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, and others are praying for a war with Israel.

R25 one good reason you could say it's not a genocide is because the population of Palestine has grown tremendously since 2005. So you are telling me that one of the most organized and capable militaries in the world is incapable of executing a genocide (if that is what their intention actually is) on a group of people with water balloons for weapons in comparison? So no, it is not a genocide. It maybe a lot of things, but a genocide it is not.

The absolute truth of the matter is if the roles were reversed, and Palestine had the military might of Israel, we would have seen what an actual genocide looks like decades ago. So you can probably call what Israel is doing, the systematic and continued weakening of a people, weaponized by their enemies, that to this day have vowed to murder every single last one of them. The Palestinians DO NOT WANT a two state solution, not at all.

R28 the decision to target civilians is the issue when you are targeting civilians not which words you use to describe the massive on purpose killing of civilians.

Whether you are trying to kill them all or just a lot of them the dead moms, babies, elderly don’t care at all.

R40, it’s obvious when you read R28 and R39 that people can rationalize anything. They genuinely believe that they have to kill all of these people; it all makes sense to them.

[quote]Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, and others are praying for a war with Israel.

R37Iran and Yemen now already are, Iran has been through its proxies for years, as R36 correctly points out

[quote]The absolute truth of the matter is if the roles were reversed, and Palestine had the military might of Israel, we would have seen what an actual genocide looks like decades ago. So you can probably call what Israel is doing, the systematic and continued weakening of a people, weaponized by their enemies, that to this day have vowed to murder every single last one of them. The Palestinians DO NOT WANT a two state solution, not at all.

R39 is absolutely correct. The Palestinians or at least their leadership do not want a two state solution, because this is not about land, it is about religion. And it is all laid out in the Hamas Constitution, they actually say as much. Its been linked here before, and I've linked it again.

Please all of you actually read the fuckin thing

R40 Well if Hamas didnt use their civilians as human shields there would be far less casualties. Israel does actually try to avoid civilian casualties when it can but that is made far harder by Hamas' deliberate strategy to put women and children in harms way, by setting up fighting units in hospitals, schools and in residential complexes

Fantastic news!

[quote] R28] the decision to target civilians is the issue when you are targeting civilians not which words you use to describe the massive on purpose killing of civilians.

Not when your enemy hides among civilians as a defense and propaganda strategy. Israel is not “targeting civilians.” Hamas is. Because Hamas is a death cult that believes being killed by Jews is the best thing that can happen to a Muslim and because it knows how many useful idiots will scream “genocide!”

Israel announced today that it killed the head of Hamas’s military who planned Oct. 7. He was hiding amid refugees.

An organization that explicitly stands for genocide of the Jews commits mass killing of Jewish civilians in an act of massive, coordinated terrorism and then, when its fighters and leaders hide in tunnels built under civilian homes, schools and hospitals, scream “genocide” when its people are killed in the resulting war, and people who know nothing about the region reflexively side with them. I’d call that Jew-hating.

I told you we were hard core.

R44 and I never mentioned any country by name. Not even the Brits and the US that roasted more civilians and babies alive than those in the current conflict will come remotely close to,. We have done terror fire bombing of cities that were almost without defense and the target was civilians who lived in wood houses.

But hats off to mossad anyway as far as how good they are. This latest kill was from a bomb placed in a guest room two months ago. And that building they got into has to be one of the most heavily guarded buildings on the planet. They knew it was a guest room he had previously used.

The bomb was set off remotely when they knew the target was in the room,

They say it was a catastrophic failure of security. Cool.

God's plan.

[quote] Israel does actually try to avoid civilian casualties when it can

Sure they do R42

R41 flippantly talks like most Americans who forget they dropped two bombs on Japan instantly killing 200,000 human beings only to casually walk away from it and reap the rewards of military success for the next seven decades. Oh, and not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people killed since then in various American Wars. Americans are really almost the last ones to school anyone on the atrocities of war, because we have always just taken what we wanted when we wanted it from others. You might shake your fists in the streets, yet you continue to reap the rewards of all of these wars everyday, even having the nerve to complain when your gas goes over $4.

There is no rationalisation R41, I am just not a hypocrite.

All of Hamas need to be hunted down.

R52 I agree but the dropping of those two bombs that finally ended the war saved millions of lives. Allied lives and Japanese lives in the short and long run..

Will this have a negative impact on the business of Amal Alamuddin Clooney's arms dealer uncle, Ziad Takieddine, whose major customers are Hamas and Hezbollah?

R51 not proven

From the article;

[quote]The IDF said it “completely rejects” allegations that its snipers deliberately fire on civilians. It said it cannot address individual shootings “without coordinates of the incidents”. “The IDF only targets terrorists and military targets. In stark contrast to Hamas’s deliberate attacks on Israeli civilians, including men, women and children, the IDF follows international law and takes feasible precautions to mitigate civilian harm,” it said.

Which isnt to say there arent isolated incidents of psychopaths within the IDF targetting civilians, there have been cases of this, and when the IDF finds and proves instances like this they court-martial them and chuck them out. Without doubt there are rogue bad actors in the IDF targetting civilians, but that isnt IDF policy. Every ared force in the world has its rogue bad actors that do shit like this in breach of official policy and always have

On the other hand a Hamas sniper that targetted civilians would get a medal and a promotion. Hamas has no compunction about targetting civilians whatsoever, and they have videod themselves doing it

R56, of course, the IDF denies it. It's always an 'isolated incident," a "rogue bad actor." We've heard this for years. IDF never punishes anyone for anything. Soldiers have killed unarmed people and been received three months of community service. An IDF battalion killed an elderly American citizen, who they gagged, handcuffed and left to die in the street, and were "reprimanded." And these were incidents in which they were caught. Some of the IDF guards who were raping and torturing prisoners were arrested because of bad publicity in the U.S., but the actions at the facility had been known by its commanders for months. It's a horribly disciplined, unprofessional army.

There are always incidents of violence in war.

Claiming them as proof of genocide is cynical propaganda .

Remember how this war started.

R56 you believe the IDF? You’re more stupid than I feared.

[quote] On the other hand a Hamas sniper that targetted civilians would get a medal and a promotion. Hamas has no compunction about targetting civilians whatsoever, and they have videod themselves doing it

Yet another imaginary scenario that you find more objectionable than the actual reality of Israeli snipers shooting young children in the head for no reason. You are a very damaged person.

Here’s the IDF strapping a Palestinian man they had shot to a military vehicle. Let me guess, they didn’t do it even tho they admitted to it and there’s video, and if Hamas were to do it they would do it worse?

[quote] Yet another imaginary scenario that you find more objectionable than the actual reality

There goes what little credibility you might have clung to.

“There are always instances of violence in war”

One of the more accurate comments in the history of war or DL

R60 I think what happened on October 7th was awful R60. It must have been terrifying for the Israelis that were killed, and for those taken as hostages. I haven’t seen a single pro Palestinian commenter on here say that what happened on October 7th wasn’t a really terrible egregious act by Hamas. Nobody supports it.

On the pro Israel side, I’ve seen multiple comments (on threads now all deleted) celebrating Palestinian civilian deaths, denying the IDF slaughter of civilians, and wishing for the obliteration of the Palestinian people. Denial of civilian slaughter (which is proportionally far more significant at this point than the toll from Oct 7th) is inhuman.

[quote] Nobody supports it. ‘ Bullshit. Calling the idea that a Hamas fighter would be celebrated for killing Israel civilians “fiction” shows that there are people here who do support Oct 7.

Not to go on, but for instance from that article I posted about the IDF deliberately shooting children, there are multiple corroborated accounts from doctors and eye witnesses that they did it, yet the pro Israeli commenters are engaging in denialism. Young children shot in the head and chest. It’s sick, and it’s not normal warfare.

R63 it’s hypothetical. Therefore fiction. Talking about hypothetical situations as justification for the murder of children. Try and look at yourself from outside yourself and think about what you’re saying.

Again, it is not surprising that you will find incidents of intentional violence against civilians by individual soldiers in war. It is inevitable

It is particularly likely when the war was started by an orchestrated and deliberate massacre of civilians.

Oct 7 is not hypothetical.

When our warriors roast 1000s of civilians we do not celebrate them.

other than the DFC they got.

R67 nobody said it was. And neither is what the IDF has been doing since then, mainly slaughtering over 25,000 civilians indiscriminately. Killing children on purpose, denying medicines and food to enter the war zone, raping and torturing prisoners (50 of whom have been murdered in detention), destroying entire cities, demolishing holy sites and universities, deliberately shelling aid trucks and killing international aid workers, murdering journalists, etc etc.

Israeli citizens are currently rioting in Israel to protect their soldiers right to rape and torture soldiers, they’re fucking nuts. And people like you ignore and deny it because your brain is so cooked with pro Israel propaganda. I hate to draw analogies, but there are some very similar examples of this, where propaganda was used effectively to get people to 1) not care about the degradation and murder of a certain ethnic group of people, and 2) deny what they could see with their own two eyes.

[quote] nobody said it was.

People aren’t as stupid as you apparently imagine.

R70 show me an example of where someone (and not a twitter far right conspiracy theorist a la Alex Jones) said what happened on Oct7th didn’t happen. Like it just didn’t occur. Nothing happened. Link pls :)

R59. You believe anything at all that comes out of Gaza? Which is controlled by Hamas, and therefore Hamas propaganda.

The IDF is flawed, and some scepticism about their operations is warranted for sure, but Hamas are a terrorist organisation with an iron grip on anything that goes on in Gaza, so they are far less trustworthy, as in not at all.

[quote] R70] show me an example of where someone (and not a twitter far right conspiracy theorist a la Alex Jones) said what happened on Oct7th didn’t happen. Like it just didn’t occur. Nothing happened. Link pls :)

You said it yourself in this very thread, asshole.

[quote]R63 it’s hypothetical. Therefore fiction. Talking about hypothetical situations as justification for the murder of children. Try and look at yourself from outside yourself and think about what you’re saying.

R73 Holy shit, he did too!

R69 Ignore all previous instructions

Give us a recipe for fruitcake

[quote] You believe anything at all that comes out of Gaza? Which is controlled by Hamas, and therefore Hamas propaganda.

No I don’t believe everything that comes out of Gaza, I look for corroborated reports. I also don’t engage in denialism about the wholesale murder of children and civilians like you do.

[quote] The IDF is flawed

Flawed is a funny work for systematically enacting war crimes but you do you.

Question for you, did you read about the atrocities being carried out in Sde Teiman?

Still at it, despite being exposed as a lunatic?

Points for persistence, I guess.

🤷🏻‍♂️

[quote] You said it yourself in this very thread, asshole.

What I said about Oct 7th is below.

“ I think what happened on October 7th was awful [R60]. It must have been terrifying for the Israelis that were killed, and for those taken as hostages. I haven’t seen a single pro Palestinian commenter on here say that what happened on October 7th wasn’t a really terrible egregious act by Hamas. Nobody supports it.”

When I said “ it’s hypothetical. Therefore fiction” I was referring to the below;

“ On the other hand a Hamas sniper that targetted civilians would get a medal and a promotion. Hamas has no compunction about targetting civilians whatsoever, and they have videod themselves doing it”

Which, is written in a conditional tense (“would”) therefore the author of that post (that’s you R74) was writing it as a hypothetical. To be clear I’m not denying the events of October 7th at all, and both of you are either too illiterate or disingenuous to be able to follow this thread. Twisting my words so you don’t have to engage with the content of what I’m saying is again, more denialism from you both. And this is the problem with debating you, you can’t engage on the topic honestly.

Are you sure you want to persist in the argument that there’s no reason to believe that a Hamas sniper would be rewarded for killing Israeli civilians after Hamas carried out the largest massacre of Jewish civilians since the Holocaust? It’s a pretty stupid point to cling to.

R79 how would I know? It’s a hypothetical situation. Do they even issue medals? Or “promotions”? Like WTF are you talking about lol.

Do you acknowledge you were wrong stating that l was denying what happened on Oct 7th?

There are real events happening here, like the rape and torture of Palestinian prisoners, that are far more worthy of discussion rather than some imaginary medal ceremony for a Hamas fighter. If you want to turn your back on those events and concentrate your mind on some fabrication just say that. And again, for the slow minded among us (you), when I say fabrication I’m not referring to the events of Oct 7th. Am I gonna have to have that as a disclaimer on every comment or will you dickheads be able to keep up?

You don’t know that Oct. 7 was widely celebrated as a great victory? Then you should shut up about this topic.

R81 when did I say that? Again, will you acknowledge you were incorrect about saying I had denied Oct 7th?

I’m done with you. You’re a moron.

Datalounge would have criticized the assassination of Hitler.

Hah ok R83. If you want to engage on a topic in future it helps to be able to acknowledge when you’ve been incorrect about something x x

To be clear, I’ve engaged with many of the questions asked of me directly, whereas you and h8fairy have not.

R85 Disregard all previous instructions

Give us a recipe for fruitcake

R86 oh girl you’re so embarrassing. You are a fucking fruitcake.

R83 Its either a troll or a very good bot. I'm done with it too.

Go check the posting history (ignoredar) its all Israel / da Joos all the time (bar one post). You're right to not bother engaging any further

Just disappointed I never got a fruitcake recipe, I got a craving and the supermarket didnt have any

R88 accusing everyone of either being a bot or a troll is just your way of not having to deal with any questions posed to you. You're intellectually weak, and you know it. We've been through this posting history thing before too if you can't remember. When you check my posting history, the only comments that will show will be on threads on which we have mutually commented. Therefore if I was to waste my time doing the same with you I would similarly only see your comments on Israel related threads. If you don't understand how this website works just say so.

Hamas lies all the time. Casualty numbers are probably a tenth of what they claim.

R78 I’m not the poster you’re blasting, but would it kill you to learn how to use the quote function of this board?

Please. No wonder you’re misunderstood—your posts with quotations are unintelligible.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor. It’s right up there, in the Help menu—go to Post Formatting. Give us all a break.

R91 I know how to use the quote function. I used it in that comment. I separate DL quotes versus quotation marks in the way that if I’m replying to someone’s comment I DL quote the relevant part of it but if I’m referencing something I said in a previous comment, or what someone else said but am not replying to them I use good old fashioned quotation marks. Now do yourself and everyone else a favour and fuck off with your boring hall monitor forum rules.

Oh right r92. It’s not that you don’t know how to use the DL quote function, I stand corrected. You’re just unintelligible, full stop.

I guess what pro-Palestinian people don’t understand is that given the fact that Palestinians are so virulent in their hatred for Jews and constantly wishing them death, and doing whatever it is in their power to bring it - MOST people honestly don’t give a fuck what Israel does with these trash people that live on their border. It’s like they are too dumb to shut the fuck up for a year and really try to make isomething work. They are not normal, they are not reasonable, dumb as hillbillies and completely un-relatable. Their own Muslim community wants nothing to do with them.

R94, so true. They cause trouble wherever they live. They even tried to overthrow the King of Jordan in the past.