What's the Matter With Kids Today?

radicalized incels

What’s the matter is that Biden waited so long to step down that people acclimated themselves to voting for Trump, even if they didn’t like him. Trump’s positive rating rose very steadily throughout the year, because so many people disliked Biden and Trump was the only alternative.

Biden further damaged the party by refusing to step down immediately after his disastrous debate.

That’s actually very frightening yo. He should not be up ten percentage points amongst that age group. I wonder if there a large certain segment of under educated young people. They would have been like 16 in 2016 and are now immune to Trump. And thinks that just normal for some politicians and that he actually isn’t dangerous.

Trump and Biden had equally low favorability at the start of the year

And then it started to go up. Biden’s did not.

KIDS! What's the matter with kids tooodaaaay?!

I know some kids who are going to vote for RFK Jr. WTF, Jr?

r3 influencers that boys watch are almost all pro trump, not always explicitly but they push in that direction. teachers everywhere are having to deal with boys spewing andrew tate stuff at them.

Biden's actions on inflation, student loans, and the middle east hurt him a lot among young voters. That's why it would have been extremely foolish for Biden to have remained in the race. He was bleeding support from just about every group.

Harris has only been in the race a week, and voter registration among the youth has increased ten-fold. But she's still in the beginning of her campaign. If she knocks it out of the park at the convention, and when she outsmarts Dump in a debate (should the sack of shit agree to do one) that gap will decrease, and she can easily overtake his lead.

But we got work to do.

How exactly did Biden's actions on inflation or student loans hurt him? His actions have brought the inflation rate way down. He's done everything he can to forgive whatever student loans he can, while being continually blocked by Republicans and the courts.

I suspect he was bleeding support, especially from young people, based primarily on seeming like a doddering old man who ain't gonna make it through the year, much less four years. It may be an unfair characterization, but he locked in that impression at the debate, and that was probably not going to budge before November. So I'm also glad he stepped aside.

But all that said, I suspect the bigger problem is polling itself. And this is why one poll, any one poll, is so completely unconvincing, especially with young voters. Here's a poll from five days ago, with opposite results for 18-34 year olds. Did half of them change their minds in the last few days, or do even slight changes in polling methodology and samples lead to dramatic changes in results?

"And then it started to go up. Biden’s did not."

Then there's something seriously wrong with idiots who think a dirtball scumbag piece of human garbage like Donald Trump is a better person/more fit for the presidency than Joe Biden.

So, back to OP's question: what's the matter with kids today?

It all depends on the poll (and for the record the FAU isn't rated highly). The Axios poll of a couple days ago has Harris up by 20 points in 18-34 year old voters. She's going to get at least 60% of Gen Z voters... question is how many will turn out.

And while we're on the subject!

R10, young voters are mad that inflation happened at all, so once the slowdown in the rate occurred, the damage was already done among those voters, who were hurt far more by rising prices than older ones. Biden took the blame, and no amount of arguing that it was a worldwide problem, and besides, it was much worse back in the 1970s, was going to work on them.

It's not fair that voters blamed Biden for inflation, but a politician who had a stronger appeal to younger voters might have been able to weather the situation better.

He may have lowered inflation, but shrinkflation is still very much a thing and going strong. There's also the matter of the apartment/housing market becoming too high priced in most cities and way out of range with kids who are just getting out of college and looking for career work. One wonders just how much longer the 3,000 a month starting rent, 500,000 starter home model is going to last when there isn't even a national liveable minimum wage.

I agree that Biden's age was a negative. He was seen as too out of touch with the current problems afflicting society and not able to fully grasp the situation at hand. Even many who voted for him felt the same

Plus arrogant, condescending statements like this did not help matters.

This FAU poll doesn't match what we are seeing in other polls. Also this switch from Biden to Harris is still so new.

It's hard to wait, but if you are intense about "the polls" then wait until late September. A month after the Harris/DNC Convention has come and gone. After Harris and Trump have been the two candidates for two solid months.

At this point, looking at what we can see, it looks like the Biden vs Trump match was Trump +3. Now the very early average across all polls, for Harris vs Trump, is more like Trump +1. Still not good, but less of a sense of doom. And Harris really is firing up people who had tuned out. She's adding to her pool. Trump is not. So there are reasons to be optimistic, but the available data says it will be a hard and evenly matched fight for votes.

R16 Trump +1 after the convention (traditionally there's a bump that goes away after a couple weeks) is not good for Trump. (And the "oh, a new young candidate" bump is balanced by a "my God he was shot!" bounce.

As has been said a gazillion times in these polls threads... the snapshot of a particular moment in time isn't as telling as the movement the polls show. Without question the movement is toward the Dems. We'll see after the convention (as you say) - I do believe the Dems have an opportunity to showcase a convention that makes difference... I mean how about Clinton, Obama, and Biden all speaking on the last night? How about Beyonce and Taylor Swift both singing.. and singing together? It'll be interesting to see what they try to present.

And, after all is said and done, it'll be PA, MI, and WI (and Neb 2) for the win. I think Harris is on track to win all three of the Blue Wall states by 2-3 points.

Yeah, the convention is suddenly interesting. I'm not sure what they'll do, but I suspect youth and energy will be the theme, and Taylor Swift might actually be more important than Obama and Hillary in that effort, but we'll see. I actually wouldn't have them speak the last night, more like the second to last night. The last night really needs to be all Kamala, the new star. We appreciate all that came before, we're glad the old warhorses are all here to support us, but we're now renewed as a party and ready to fight like hell to win this thing in November.

And yes it's funny to think of 59 as so young, but this year, it just is.

R18 I agree with you.

1st I think it is education. They just aren't taught important things in history that they shouldn't repeat.

Their parents are mostly Repubs

They really haven't lived thru anything traumatic except maybe 9/11 but they would have been too young for it to have much of an impact on them unless they lost someone.

There was the Iraq war but it didn't come close to having the impact that the Vietnam War did.

They have lost critical thinking skills because of computers

It has always been the critical thinking skills that has worried me the most about computers because we are at a point where they will probably never have it.