3 little girls killed during a stabbing attack at Taylor Swift themed dance class in Southport, UK

It's too terrible to imagine.

He must be demented beyond belief. To attack little girls in such a way. Good thing he didn't have access to a gun.

An incel?

He was born in Wales to Rawandan parents who themselves had been refugees, allegedly.

So a race war is happening on social media.

Yes r2 thankfully he didn't have gun or assault weapon.

Charge her with murder.

Horrid and bizarre. What ever could be his modus operandi?

It’s a terrible story, but I can’t understand why Taylor Swift belongs in the headline? I know she’s a wildly popular world phenomenon, but it looks cynical to cite her name in the article’s title. At first reading it looks like a production of hers was targeted, and that’s not actually the case. Her music was just the party’s theme, wasn’t it? Would they have included Hello Kitty or Barbie in the article’s headline? Maybe? Honestly I’m unsure. But it’s a sad story anyhow.

17 years old is hardly a MAN 👨

[quote] but I can’t understand why Taylor Swift belongs in the headline?

Added clickbait factor. That's how media operate these days.

[quote]It’s a terrible story, but I can’t understand why Taylor Swift belongs in the headline?

Because he killer targeted an event that was attended by young girls. He didn’t go to a supermarket or a train station to stab random people he went to a community centre hosting a Taylor Swift themed event for little girls.

First generation third worlder

OP, you are an idiot. The twitter accounts were right, because they already know when the media is shy and the police vague, it is someone from Middle east or Africa.

Besides, knife stabbing is typical for perpetrators from that region (2nd generation included, because they tend to be more radicalized than their parents).

Horrible. The survivors will likely be traumatized for life.

If it had happened over here in the US he probably would have gotten his hands on an AR-15 and the fatalities would be much higher.

Nope R13. For some reason they operate with knives.

Well, I always knew her music would kill.

I mean it must have some cultural meaning or something because people from this region use knives and there is an epidemic of knife stabbing in western Europe.

Fire guns are available in Europe on the dark market. Last year in Serbia two young mass murderers used firearms.

It's hard to get guns though - and this guy was only 17.

Knife crime is very common in England because of their gun laws. And many fewer people die there as a result.

Turn away! IGNORE!!!

[Quote] OP, you are an idiot. The twitter accounts were right, because they already know when the media is shy and the police vague, it is someone from Middle east or Africa.

Here’s piece of human refuse Defacto trying to grease the wheels of his racist hatred with the blood of murdered children.

Of course OP is right.

[Quote] Fire guns

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There was a school shooting in Wales in the 90s and that prompted a ban on private individuals owning handguns. The ban happened fast.

A shame the US couldn't act the same way.

BBCs John Hunt lost his wife and two daughters when the daughters' boyfriend killed them last month......with a crossbow. The boyfriend was British so the choice of weapon was simply because it's very difficult to get a gun. If these guys could get an AR15, if their parents had a house full of them, if dads considered them a suitable Christmas gift for a teenager then the level of gun deaths would be similar to the USA.

I agree that this is a hate crime, at the very least. I would consider it terrorism.

It was Dunblaine, Scotland.

[quote]OP, you are an idiot. The twitter accounts were right, because they already know when the media is shy and the police vague, it is someone from Middle east or Africa.

No, the Twitter accounts were wrong. It was not a teenager called Ali Al-Shakati who arrived in the UK recently via boat, it is on all accounts the son of Rwandan refugees who was born in the UK.

This is from the BBC:

Almost immediately after the deadly stabbing attack in Southport, baseless rumours began spreading online.

While police and emergency services were still responding to the attack, a widely shared LinkedIn post claimed without evidence that "a migrant" was responsible.

But the most viral source of rumours so far has been a report published on an obscure US-based website which claims to cover "breaking news".

The report falsely claims that that the 17-year old suspect is an "asylum seeker" named "Ali Al-Shakati", who "arrived in the UK by boat last year".

Merseyside Police has confirmed that the suspect was born in Cardiff, and has yet to identify the 17-year-old.

The report also adds that the suspect was "on the MI6 watch list", despite the fact that it is MI5, not MI6, that deals with domestic counter-terrorism cases.

The name "Ali Al-Shakati" has since been widely shared online in posts viewed by millions.

Some other outlets, including Russia's RT news channel, have also reported this name, citing the US-based website.

Other variations of the report, including the claim that the suspect was a "Channel migrant", have also been widely circulated.

Unfortunately it’s due to our federal system, r21. Many places in the USA have small populations but, because of the federal system, have an outside influence on making laws.

And those places are obsessed with guns.

[Quote] it is on all accounts the son of Rwandan refugees who was born in the UK.

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[quote]There was a school shooting in Wales in the 90s and that prompted a ban on private individuals owning handguns. The ban happened fast. A shame the US couldn't act the same way.

That was Dunblane in Scotland, where Andy and Jamie Murray went to school.

I won't say the gunman's name because he doesn't deserve to be remembered but he killed twice as many girls as boys - 16 children in total aged 5-6.

Christianity is the largest religion in Rwanda. The most recent 2022 census indicated that: 48% of Rwanda's population is Protestant, 40% is Catholic, 4% belongs to other Christian denominations, 2% is Muslim (mainly Sunni), 3% claims no religious affiliation, and 3% practices other religions including traditional faiths.[1]

So... was this kid radicalized by Muslims in the UK?? Or just a random psycho like we typically have. They were very quick to say it was not a hate crime. And the people being interviewed seem to be saying the children were screaming but no account of Allah Akbar or whatever they shout - but I guess they don't always do that.

Who would target little girls under age 10? And they keep saying the adults were shot 'because' they were trying to shield the girls, so he was aiming for the children?

*Oops - my American is showing.

adults were STABBED -- not shot.

Homophobia is making its way in Europe thanks to immigration, people do not actually give a fuck about trans or queers but Europeans are starting to realize that they let a monster in and now it is too late to get rid of it. In a couples of more years wait for a massive extreme right wave this time by normal working citizens.

The left is winning simply because of the political game but not because of public support. The pro lgbt left can turn anti gay in a heartbeat once they see society turning more to right in a bid to gain votes. Europeans need to put a stop to this all male immigration from Africa or else something very bad will happen in the future and gays will be the first to come out hurt.

Why don't you wait and find out what the details are before you start making assumptions about whether he was a radicalised Muslim, r28. There's already been a bunch of bullshit about him by people making similar assumptions to you.

The irony is that the previous UK government's policy was to send asylum seekers in the UK to Rwanda for processing.

What does homophobia have to do with targeting a children's dance class?

Didn't they recenty have Pride parades? and there are gay bars? If he's in high school, he probably is familiar with that - and it sounds like he was born in the UK.

Refugees can be very damaged people, depending what they have seen or been put through before escaping, and depending how long they were kept in refugee camps before obtaining asylum and how feral those camps were. There were a lot of terrible stories out of Rawanda. It's possible this kid has absorbed a lot of them, and/or terrible treatment from damaged parents.

That's no excuse whatever for such bizarre and dreadful actions, but it's a possible part of the explanation. Alternatively, of course, he might just be psychotic. It's very weird to have deliberately hired a taxi across town to attack such a function. I wonder whether he knew someone who was a participant.

He probably was sick of hearing one more thing about Taylor Swift.

And incidentally the gun control legislation brought in after Dunblane was so strict the Olympic shooting team were forced to practice abroad and laws were relaxed for the London 2012 Olympics.

Very fucking bad taste, r34. Not funny.

I'm torn.

[Quote] Christianity is the largest religion in Rwanda.

That’s nice, what does it have to do with this story? There’s been no information released about the attacker.

British rightwing media are claiming that he’s Rwandan and then immediately using it as fuel for their political goals. They somehow fail to do that regarding the knifings by white attackers — can’t imagine why.

Keeping third world shit, who want to kill you, out of your country is a noble goal.

And how do you propose to do that when they're born in Cardiff, R39?

You start when the parents. Before the spawn.

[Quote] Keeping third world shit, who want to kill you, out of your country is a noble goal.

For the millionth time, Defacto, native born whites in the USA commit violent crimes at a higher rate (by a wide margin) than immigrants. So we should deport you.

What R42 says is completely true.

R40, don’t interrupt this specimen when it’s on one of its insane rants.

Bonus points — it knows nothing about your country. It’s from Pennsylvania in the USA. But it’s racism is international.

[quote]British rightwing media are claiming that he’s Rwandan and then immediately using it as fuel for their political goals. They somehow fail to do that regarding the knifings by white attackers — can’t imagine why.

Yeah, it's unheard of for the media to collect and report information about the perpetrator of a horrific crime.

Remember the young black kid who was decapitated by a guy with a samurai sword on his way to school a few months ago? I know the murderer was Spanish and involved in martial arts because the media reported it.

The difficulty the media has in this case is that the boy is 17 and therefore can't be named so it feels like a vacuum which benefits the bad faith actors. The 17 year old's citizenship status was revealed to counter the lies that he was a refugee who had arrived in the UK a year ago.

Horrific murders occur

Rightwing garbage immediately try to make it about race or religion to try to further their wicked goals

If it sticks and the person can be othered, they argue that this shows they’re right and policies should be adopted to keep Muslims or brown people out. They’re happy to spend the money to do this

If it doesn’t stick and the perp is white, there’s a quick search to see if the perp may have been a lefty. “Queers for Palestine” is said a few times

If that doesn’t stick either and it’s just a violent white, it’s written off as a mental health episode

Of course they’re not willing to spend any money on providing more mental healthcare

Rinse and repeat

Black man kills three little white girls.

That libtard Bitch is a KEELAR!

Thank you for your opinion, Mr. Farage at R30.

Yuck, R44! I'd be scared if I saw that face walking towards me, even if he had nothing in his hands.

R50, having that face is the real terrorism

This is the kind of backdoor immigration into the EU I'm much more scared of.

If it’s a migrant, a person of color or a Muslim, they did it because they’re violent.

If it’s a leftist, they did it because they’re violent.

If it’s a conservative white, it’s a mental health issue, move on, nothing to see here, thoughts and prayers.

It was not hard to know that the perpetrator was Muslim or Black. Yesterday evening the news came on on one web site in my country, but this morning news were nowhere to be found. Silenzio stampa. Just one update on one site during the day, saying that it is a boy from Cardiff. And it was a huge and shocking attack on small children, that would have otherwise been breaking news.

Last year when 14 yo Serbian boys killed his classmates it was non stop reported by the media. We found out who was his mother, his father, his neighbours, his great grandfather.

This censorship on Muslim and Black crime is ridiculous and stupid. Everybody knows it, because when a white guy commits a crime, even when he is 14 yo child all the info is out in few hours. When the press and police are covering up, ereryone says: oh, it is another doctor or engineer.

[Quote] This censorship on Muslim and Black crime

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R53 in the contrary, they always say that the Muslim perpetrator is mentally ill.

Fjnby that they are never mentally ill in Orban's Hungary or in Serbia where the police and inmates in prison would beat the shit out of them.

[quote]If that doesn’t stick either and it’s just a violent white, it’s written off as a mental health episode

Remember the Nottingham stabbings last year where a black man with serious mental health history and multiple convictions hacked 2 students to death, killed a man, stole his car and ran people over?

The right tried to frame it as an immigration issue - he came to the UK via Guinea-Bissau and Portugal and the left wanted to allocate no responsibility to the man and insist he was a victim of NHS failures.

Let's talk about Froy and Zane!

R55 nobody is stopping you to be ravaged by the BBC , you can still do the cumdumping for them, but we can't lie to ourselves that there is no problem

R52 nobody in Europe, not a single person is worried about Russian or Belarus people.

I didn't realize the UK had such a "stabbing" issue until I heard the stats on CNN.

In any country where there's strict gun control, stabbings are more likely to happen.

[Quote] [R53] in the contrary, they always say that the Muslim perpetrator is mentally ill.

“They?” I’m talking about rightwing racists, dummy.

Yes r62 and then the tragedy is three murdered and many injured, not an entire class of kindergarteners blown to pieces.

Catching on?

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I wasn't disagreeing with you, R64, just responding to R61.

When its not America, and its a stabbing of women or children, its always a guarantee that its an immigrant from an African or middle eastern country or a child of immigrants from those countries.

In America, the pattern of crime is different.

Should we talk about pitbull attacks?

True R67, in Europe, when someone is stabbed with a knife, you almost certainly know it is by a Muslim or an African.

On Balkans, the knife as weapon has always been used by Muslim Bosnians or Kosovari. I am not saying Muslim Bosnians are more aggressive, they have done least crimes during Yugoslav wars, but it is just their weapon. Čakija they call it. There are even songs about it.

Whereas a Serbian or Croatian would use a gun. Find if on black market. Even the 14 yo Serbian boy used a firearm.

Taylor Swift 'in shock':

The killer was not born in the UK, he was brought there by his parents when he was six years old

Of course this is about race and religion, if you have not figured it out yet, in most western countries people from these groups are committing the most violent crimes never seen before. In from spain to Sweden .

This guy doesn't look of sound (name) like he was an immigrant or a child of immigrants.

I know an immigrant (albeit one there for a long time) stabbed young school girls in Dublin, Ireland last year so I would like to see stats. I'll take a look when I get home and see what's available. Perhaps it is more likely to be an immigrant if the victims are not known to the killer and it's a random attack because every other day the BBC reports a stabbing. The perp is often a teen and usually known to the victim.

R71, you are talking shit. He was born in Wales and moved to Southport when he was six.

To be more specific, he moved to the village of Banks near Southport when he was six. Banks has a population of just over 4000.

So young.

[quote]I know an immigrant (albeit one there for a long time) stabbed young school girls in Dublin, Ireland last year so I would like to see stats. I'll take a look when I get home and see what's available. Perhaps it is more likely to be an immigrant if the victims are not known to the killer and it's a random attack because every other day the BBC reports a stabbing. The perp is often a teen and usually known to the victim.

When the murders of the mother and daughters were announced by the man with the cross bow everyone who follows the news would have assumed the man was known to them and probably had been in a relationship with one of the women. They were right. Despite some random attacks and abductions the majority of women are killed by men known to them.

The same way that when you hear of a criminal case where a child was abused over many years it's reasonable to guess that the abuser was a close family member of the victim.

With mass stabbings the overwhelming majority of cases in recent years have been involving either black men (mental health, gangs) or Asian men (Islamist inspired).

Anyway, the professional race baiters are loving this horrific attack.

Don't try to educate us on the problems of harmful immigrants

Crossbow killer's brother, Bradley Clifford, angrily killed two teens, one Asian the other by the name of Jahshua.

If you want another angle on this, it's a male killing females. He got a taxi to the venue. It was a pre-meditated attack to kill little girls. Sick in the head.

R80 not females from his own community, so I would rather say it was anti British and anti white.

R77 professional race baiters have an easy job these days

[quote] It's too terrible to imagine.

The killings, or the taylor Swift themed dance course?

There are quieter ways to get rid of some 6 yr old prima-donnas. Maniac.

[quote]Very fucking bad taste, [R34]. Not funny.

Honey you're on DL. Gallows humor is welcome here.

You mean if there had been any little black or Asian girls or teachers present he would have avoided them, r81?

Young ethnic English boys named Nigel and Cecil are not the young men doing all of these stabbing attacks.

Sounds like some of our DLers have made it to Southport.

[quote]With mass stabbings the overwhelming majority of cases in recent years have been involving either black men (mental health, gangs) or Asian men (Islamist inspired).

They're not Asian men, they're men of Middle Eastern/North African background.

They might be the young thug men doing the rioting outside the mosque which has no known connection to the killer though, r87.

This is where your Nigel and Sid (a more common name than Cecil) are, r87.

[quote]Rioters chanting 'English till I die' have clashed with police outside a mosque in Southport, near to where three girls were killed in a horrific knife rampage on Monday.

[quote]Merseyside Police have condemned the 'sickening' violence which has broken out amid speculation over the identity of the suspect arrested in connection with the savage attack on a group of children at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class.

[quote]The angry mob - who police 'believe to be supporters of the English Defence League' - began to launch items towards a mosque on St Luke's Road barely an hour after thousands gathered for a vigil to remember the victims of the holiday club outrage.

[quote]The crowd of men, many wearing masks and hoodies, surrounded the Southport Mosque amen Islamic Cultural Centre and began hurling rubble at police officers who had formed a protective line around the building.

[quote]The thugs were seen targeting the Muslim place of worship at around 7.45pm after police issued a warning over an 'incorrect' name for the alleged attacker being widely circulated online.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Good r91. Western Europe has fucked itself bringing in so many Islamists. In many cases the first generation kids of the immigrants are even more radical and anti social. It's a failure all the way around. These people are not compatible with Western societies but Europeans are so guilt ridden over World War II and the Holocaust they can't see things clearly.

So what is the correct name?

And the climate crisis will make things worse when it comes to migrants. I fear the far right will take over Europe because of this and what is the answer? Tall walls like the medieval days - moats with crocodiles (didn't the Donald suggest this?)

From the riots this evening. ‘One on the noggin, One in the plums’ is a fantastic reply.

I wonder how much the Manchester Airport incident has inflamed matters around anti Islam sentiment in that region, although there’s not much difference from two Pakistani men beating up police offers in an airport and these cunts throwing wheelie bins at the police.

R93 so how do we remedy things for people facing genocide or religious persecution.

Moron at r93, there is nothing to link this guy to "Islamism". There was false bullshit going around that falsely claimed he was a completely different person and morons like you believed it.

How about getting the facts right for a start, r97? This guy has not been named yet a bunch of morons are still peddling the lie put about earlier that he was an "Islamist" who is in fact a completely different person.

This guy's family came from Rwanda. Let's not forget that the UK government's policy up to 3 weeks ago was to send asylum seekers to Rwanda to have them processed there. All the little British racists (and I'm not labouring under the delusion that the racists posting here are all British) fully supported this policy without ever bothering to ask the Rwandan people if they wanted the UK to send all their asylum seekers to them!

We never should’ve let the muslims in. I’m hopeful we can turn the tide.

So this 17 year old was furious about the British policy of sending immigrants to Rwanda (along with $3000 each) so he decided to murder a bunch of primary school girls at a dance class??

I wonder WTF his motive was. Seems unlikely to be an ISIS-inspired attack, as Rwanda is not a predominantly Muslim country. If it were a psychotic/schizophrenic episode, I can't picture him being calm and measured enough to get a taxi. The neighbours said he never left the house, which suggests he may have been radicalised online (possibly by incels). But if so, why go after such young kids?

[quote] An incel?

Frau, learn a new word already. Jesus.

[quote] And the climate crisis will make things worse when it comes to migrants.

No, hon. That’s propaganda.

Because men from these countries take young girls as wives R102

They hate women and view girls as women.

She was never cleared of the murder in Brazil. Now this.

[quote] Because he killer targeted an event that was attended by young girls.

Because it’s young girls they mentioned Taylor Swift? You’re a retard. They mentioned Taylor Swift because she’s the media’s obsession.

People want so much to apply rational thinking to a completely irrational brain. “Why wouldn’t he… “

Britain has had a problem with knife and acid attacks a for the last 20 years. The place is a shithole. The criminals have all the power.

And when the perp gets out of jail the government will give him a new name and new identity.

[quote]Because it’s young girls they mentioned Taylor Swift? You’re a retard. They mentioned Taylor Swift because she’s the media’s obsession.

Have you read ANY of the posts in this thread?

The event he targeted was a "Taylor Swift dance class" where parents send their kids for the day during the school holidays. That's why there were lots of little girls aged 5-11 there.

If he'd wanted stab random people he could have gone anywhere - a train station, a bus stop, a supermarket - but he chose a dance class where kids were dancing to Taylor Swift.

Did you get this angry when Ariana Grande was mentioned when an Islamist attacked the Manchester Arena and set off a bomb as people left her concert, killing 22 and injuring over 1000?

All this talk about racism and islamophobia and you hardly ever hear that a white person attacked, raped, killed an Arab, other Middle eastern or Black, but you hear of vice versa every other day.

I think that the elites and their talking heads are fucking with us. And I am a left winger to the core.

Which "countries", r105? Countries like Rwanda, where the majority of elected parliamentarians are women? They have the highest share in the world.

A drunken mob rioted in Southport last night, and stoned a local mosque. Never mind the fact that Rwanda is almost completely a Christian country. Welcome to Tommy Robinson’s vision of the UK.

And here I thought it was only the men of DL that hated Taylor Swift and the Swifties as much as that man must have hated them.

I now wonder if he started any of the many dozens of I hate Taylor Swift and her fans threads we have here at DL?

England has the highest number of fascist groups of any country in the world.

When you’re an outsider, in this case an immigrant, dealing with that everyday can radicalize you as effectively as online chat rooms. I saw it first hand in Germany when I was there.

There is a problem with immigrants not conforming to their host country’s culture, but there is just as large a problem in certain places of natives not accepting immigrants when they try to conform.

I’m not trying to say that this killer, cold-blooded and deserving of a life sentence in jail, should be excused for his actions but the problem of immigrants not melting into their nations of choice is a two way street. We must expect immigrants to work to become part of our societies but we have to be ready to accept them when they try or risk isolating and radicalizing them.

R114 there is an epidemics of violent crime in UK and western Europe and the perps are disproportionally Muslim. The police and media are covering it up, but they are just making things worse.

In this case it was a crime that triggers general public the most, because it was little children that were stabbed. It is a natural impulse of human being as part of community to protect their offspring, when you lose this impulse the society collapse. People are not stupid when they see that liberal elites have pushed them too far.

Of course, the right wingers are going to abuse this sentiment and manipulate the mob. (but to be honest, werent youth in George Floyd riots that targeted synagogues also manipulated by the opposite political extremes).

The police were trying to be coy with this Cardiff born (as if anybody believed it was a Welsh lad), instead of giving information to be public, which they could have done without revealing the perp's identity. Public has the right to be informed.

As for Rwandan being Christian, you must know that there is a trend in western Europe of Sub Saharan African youth converting to Islam and becoming radicalized. So it is not all that counterintuitive supposition that this radicalized killer was Muslim.

Perhaps the British government is reticent to call a native-born Brit a Rwandan.

Rwandan is not an ethnicity, it is a citizenship. It is not normally the standard procedure to call someone a nationality which they aren’t just because their parents were.

R116 you are talking bullshit that the corporate media is feeding you. Give me some examples, and not some isolated cases, of European on immigrant crime. There is not one, because the phenomena does not exist.

It is not easy being immigrant anywhere and it is hard to be fully accepted in a new environment. Being from part of ex Yugoslavia I have heard many stories of problems and disagreements that refugees from war zones had with locals in places where they have been sheltered, in their own country. Yet nobody started killing the locals.

But why is it always men from Middle east or Africa that become violent because the locals don’t give them warm welcome.

Why do Indians, who probably being darker than Arabs face bigger discrimination, adapt well and become successful part of new societies. Or do you think Chinese are welcomed with open arms and yet they are the most peaceful and hard working and educated members of adoptive countries.

Or else, why do African and Middle eastern men insist so much in coming to western Europe if they have such hard time there. Thera are many uber rich Arab countries they could go to.

And R116 you are talking pure bullshit on conforming to new societies.

First generation of African and middle eastern immigrants , the parents of this thugs, were mostly peaceful working people.

Their children became radicalized in mosques and Islamic centers. The Vehabi jihadis' ideology has been spread for decades by radical clergy financed from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And Muslim brotherhood has cells all over France and UK.

These kids refuse to adapt and accept the society there were born into, you can hear them screaming in Berlin: this is not Germany, this is out teritorry.

Their parents need to just shake it off.

R118 I notice that many Americans have problem with the concept of nationality and ethnicity, because you all assimilated in one nation.

In Europe and other part of world, the second generation of immigrants have very strong national identity of their parent's native country.

I have relatives born in Germany, they have stronger Balkanic identity than I do. Even though they are peaceful and law obeying citizens and native speakers of German, they have no German bone in them. Only third generation particularly from mixed marriages blend in.

For African or Arab people this is ten times more the case. They live in their community, by their own costums and see natives as total strangers.

Haters gonna hate hate hate.

Sadly R12 is completely accurate.

R80 it’s worse than that. Those girls were targeted because they were Taylor Swift fans. He hates Swift because she’s not covered in a burqa and cowering before men.

r116 European countries are not melting pots like the US. You can't apply American standards to those countries.

For example, a Dutch person can live in Germany for 40 years and Germans still won't think of them as "German."

Valid impulses deserve an appropriate plan.

But of course it's frustrating when matters aren't addressed in the home.

He'd have never gone up against another guy his own age, with his own rage. Because he is a pussy-assed, piece of shit little bitch.

He hates women so he targeted women. (To him those kids were the perfect age to marry, so they counted as “women”).

Like so many men of the DL he hated Taylor Swift and all her Swifty fans.

Well, I don’t like her because her music is bland, not because she’s sexually active.

I hope the family members are given free concert tickets.

Ban all immigration from Africa and the Middle East. Ban all Muslims. Problem fixed.

Sad story, but the chaos associated with increased immigration is just a byproduct of capital accumulation & labor exploitation by owners. The two domains are inextricably linked. You can't create a safer world or get people to trust each other until you level the playing field WITHIN each country and recognize the same intrinsic value of each citizen. Increasing immigration along with austerity is completely moving in the wrong direction, but that line's got to go up forever I guess.

It is what corporate lords want in their constant craving for cheap labour. But people don't want men who will stab their children with knives.

I mean the fake left that was created by corporate money want to convince you that you are a racist if you don't want masses of inadaptable men from completelly different culture. They are gaslighting you that this is how world have always functioned. Which is a lie. In functional societies migration was controlled.

Mass migration did happen in history, in ancient Rome, in Americas and in Palestine. We know how it ended. People are animals and if a new tribes will predominate it will destroy domestic tribe. Plain and simple, though unpopular truth.

[quote] The police and media are covering it up, but they are just making things worse.

I agree, and the proof is all over this thread. There's all kinds of wild speculation about what the murderer's motives were, but that comes from this stupid omerta policy that European governments and media seem to have adopted in cases like this.

My guess is the guy will turn out to be crazy and his motives will be crazy idiotic, but maybe it's something more ideological. Either way, it would be really useful for police and media to release actual facts soon and not just the usual PR bullshit about everyone coming together.

It is obviously ideological. Someone that is crazy, like being out of his mind would have picked the first vulnerable person that came across his path. He went looking for those girls, meticulously searching and choosing his victims. Why didn’t he stab the cab driver?

Because crazy people aren't necessarily unfocused r138. Because sometimes they have some crazy stupid idea that God needs them to stab kids cause Taylor Swift is the antichrist or some shit. But then again, I have no idea, and that's why it would be really, really helpful for people to break their silence and say who this guy is, what they know about him, and what motive he has said, if any.

But you could well be right. It could be ideological, and that would be very useful to know as well.

Because it has a symbolic meaning. Children are the future of a tribe and its most vulnerable, valued and protected part. Same as in a herd of animals. When you aim at hildren you hit the heart of society.

This is why radicalized Muslim attack European children so often.

I believe the children are our future!

R110 really?

R62 But not any county with strict gun laws.

R138 oddly, the 17 year old's dad is employed by the taxi company he used to get there. I don't know in what capacity his father workd, or if it means anything more than the kid already knew the phone number.

I saw a British reporter on TikTok try to justify the UK's lack of freedoms of the press and of speech and why it's a good thing that no one is legally allowed to say who the perpetrator is.

R145 it’s a legal protection for the privacy of minors. It’s nothing to do with “free speech” or “freedom of the press” lol. Have a reread of Edward Snowden’s wiki and then review what you think what you mean about “freedom of the press and free speech” lol.

[quote] it’s a legal protection for the privacy of minors.

Yes, I already heard the attempt to justify abridging the freedoms of speech and of the press, as I stated.

R147 again, this has nothing to do with free speech. How fucking stupid are you lol.

[quote] this has nothing to do with free speech.

r148. it's the abridgement of free speech and freedom of the press, but again, as I stated, I've already heard the attempt to justify doing that.

If Kyle Rittenhouse had been British his identity would've been protected. Ponder that.

R149 no it’s not. It’s the protection of minors. This has zero to do with “free speech”

r151, it's an abridgement of free speech, but people are free to try to rationalize doing it.

R152 no it’s not. You don’t know what free speech is. That’s ok. No need to go back and forth on this.

r153, it's both an abridgement of free speech and freedom of the press. There's not really anything that can change that fact.

R150: in the Netherlands and Germany, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gein would be referred to forever after as "Jeffrey D." and "Ed G.", respectively.

Theo van Gogh's murderer, Mohammed Bouyeri, is still known in the Netherlands as "Mohammed B.", even after having been served a life sentence. It was only after international media started reporting on him that the Dutch public learned his surname. Politician Pim Fortuyn's murderer was known as "Volkert van der G."

His parents must be so proud

There is quite a lot of violence in the British Culture here. Especially related to sports and race. At age 7 in 1974, I moved from a town yes, i'm old, very close to this one. I remember as a kid the racial tensions even back then. I believe, race riots occurred on numerous occasions.. Manchester which is also nearby had constant racial tensions with Indian and Pakistanis way back then too. Our shopping center was constantly being evacuated because of bomb threats. The town was very suspicious of "outside" people. The area is really a suburb of Liverpool which is a global city, so you gotta wonder why this circumstance has been so persistent here. I think poverty and lack of opportunity have some big part in this.

[quote] it's both an abridgement of free speech and freedom of the press.

It’s neither. You’re a fucking idiot.

r158, it's both an abridgement of free speech and freedom of the press, whether you're blinded to that or not.

R159 no it’s not. It’s a legal mechanism to protect the privacy and safety of minors. You run into your local Walmart and scream “I’ve got a bomb” and see what that means in terms of your “free speech” lol.

r160, in this case, it's both an abridgement of free speech and freedom of the press.

Their names should be made public. Fuck 'em. Thinking that scum like that Rittenhouse psycho should've been "protected" is ludicrous, had he been British. Thank god the US doesn't have those idiotic laws.

From the London Times:

Boy ‘appeared in West End musical’

The 17-year-old, who had moved from Cardiff to Southport, “turned up one day in class, and they said ‘make him welcome, because he’s just moved from quite far away’,” the friend said. The suspect’s Rwandan parents came to the UK in 2002. Each year the Southport group performed “a big musical production”, sometimes with other drama groups. “He took part in one in London at the Shaftesbury Theatre on the West End,” the friend continued. “I think it was more him trying to branch out and meet kids in the community … he was enjoying it but you know, with musical theatre kids … they’re very extroverted. He wasn’t, he was very quiet. He didn’t really talk about himself that much.

He didn’t speak about Rwanda properly but you could definitely tell with his accent, and I think he had mentioned that he was originally from Rwanda. His brother was a lot more talkative … his dad came across quite educated, and presentable.” The friend’s father added of the suspect: “He wasn’t a normal theatre kid. He wasn’t pushing for main leads and stuff like that. “When they went to London, he’d just got involved [in the group], he enjoyed it. They brought different dance groups on, some were from Wolverhampton, some were from elsewhere. It would be all different schools, different ages.” The son said that the group included “singing, dancing, musical theatre”, adding: “They’d make their own movies and screen them at the end of the year … they had a red carpet night at the theatre, and basically all the different films that had been produced were shown at the Vue [cinema]. It was a big red carpet thing.” Former neighbours had described the suspect as a “quiet” boy who had been clingy with his mother as a child, in contrast to his elder brother, a few years older, who was “wilder and more boisterous

Sounds like a small, foreign faction to me.

BBC update w/ notes on the unrest and victim names, though the suspect is still protected. It's nice to see the community cleaning up together.

[quote]it should be treated as a hate crime in that he deliberately targeted females.

Agreed. People getting caught up in racist witch hunts are overlooking the obvious.

[quote]I saw a British reporter on TikTok try to justify the UK's lack of freedoms of the press and of speech and why it's a good thing that no one is legally allowed to say who the perpetrator is.

It’s because he is under18 and legally a minor.

The murderers of Brianna Ghey were also not named until they were convicted.

It’s a standard legal process that Britain has had for decades.

r168, I mean to say this politely, but I believe everyone understands that that is the reason and attempted justification for blocking publication of it and that it's a longtime standard practice in the UK.

Reporting restrictions have been lifted and the alleged murderer has been named as Axel Muganwa Rudakubana. His 18th birthday is next week which might explain the judge’s willingness to name him.

The first article I saw only said Southport - it didn’t identify the UK. I immediately wondered where in the US is Southport.

He has been named due to the extreme right wing disinformation being deliberately spread by the likes of Tommy Robinson, resulting in riots in several parts of the UK.

He was expelled from school for carrying a knife and saying "Britain needed a genocide like they had in Rwanda. to straighten things out"

Are the vile nutcases who helped foment violence and hatred against Muslim people going to apologise now? Axel was a nice, church-going boy.

[quote]Neighbours have said the family are “heavily involved with the local church”, and that they would often hear singing from their house, the Liverpool Echo reported.

R173, that may or may not be the case but don't you think it's best to wait for facts to be officially stated, rather than rely on hearsay and possibly even completely made-up crap on Twitter, which only 2 days ago was spreading the lie that the attacked was called Ali Al-Shakati and had recently arrived in the UK as an asylum seeker?

[quote]He has been named due to the extreme right wing disinformation being deliberately spread by the likes of Tommy Robinson, resulting in riots in several parts of the UK.

No, he was named because he turns 18 next week.

[quote] keeping the defendant’s anonymity in place ran the risk of “allowing others who are up to mischief to continue to spread disinformation in a vacuum”.

[quote] The defendant is due to turn 18 on Wednesday, which could provide an “additional excuse for a fresh round of public disorder”, the judge said.

The judge does imply public interest in stopping speculation and keeping the peace was a factor in the decision to release the name.

Do you know that repeating yourself over and over is a symptom of dementia???

If that were the reason, r176, then he would have been named next week.

One of the charges is possession of a bladed weapon! So apparently it's against the law to carry around a knife. (just saw someone read that out on Times Radio - linked)

Those who were sharing fake date on Twitter were not far from truth after all.

An African immigrant hating British' gutts, so that he decided to go on killing spree to kill as many British kids as possible with a knife.

Ok, the guy didn't come last year, he is 2nd generation (often they tend to be even worse), he is not from North Africa, but Sub Saharan, but the truth was rather predictable.

The police info about a guy being from Cardiff didn't convince anyone, but the most die hard wokes that ut was a Welsh lad.

[Quote] Ok, the guy didn't come last year, he is 2nd generation (often they tend to be even worse), he is not from North Africa, but Sub Saharan, but the truth was rather predictable.

You mean the truth that whites knife at a higher rate than blacks? Yes I agree.

Well, if he hates women so much he will really, really, really enjoy prison where he will be utterly surrounded by men. Men who won't care much for a guy who murdered little girls, true. But at least he will have his lady-free environment!

"Enjoy" it, you worthless little prick.

r180 Its against the law to carry around any offensive weapon in public. Though if you have a box cutter or Stanley knife in your pocket on the way home from work or something like that you're fine. You go for a night out on the town with a machete or stiletto you're in trouble.

So sad-and I’m not a big fan of TaylorSwift or teens for that matter.

R183 the data comming out of your ass?

And R183 your US government lead by Bush and Obama destroyed many North African and Middle eatern nation (not in the case of this killer, in his country there was a civil war). Of course that British elites were helping your elites in this destruction.

But British civilians are not to blame. British and other European civilians are not going to African countries and killing them. Yet they are the ones expected to pay the toll and let their kids be killed by radicalized men coming from these nations. It is time to say no. If they want to take revenge give them the elites that lead the war.

[quote] So sad-and I’m not a big fan of TaylorSwift or teens for that matter.

The murdered girls were age 6, 7, and 9 - not teens.

[quote] Ok, the guy didn't come last year, he is 2nd generation (often they tend to be even worse)

What a sad little racist you are R182.

R190 the prostitution of the word racist has gotten so tired.

You are why they hate us. You have always felt rejected by society and you haven't got normal human feelings.

I've seen two groups outraged by the sharing of the photo of the killer when he was younger.

1. Look at the media trying to pretend that this murderer is just a little boy when he was almost 18, old enough to vote, a disgrace

2. Look at the media with an old photo of the accused, reminding everyone he's black even though he looks nothing like that now. The media is racist.

Where as my thought is

3. The media have published a photo of a man charged with multiple murders. Groundbreaking.

They charged a man but used photos of a child.

On the only site where they published the news in my country they used word that is used for little boys in the title, not word you use for a young man who will be 18 in six days but that you would use for someone say until 13. Plus this picture when he was 10.

Probably tried to influence subconsciously. Most people were mocking this attemp.

He has a diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.

For real, R195?

^ just reported on BBC news.

Thank you R197

Well, it did seem like he'd have to have some mental disorder - out of the usual range - to take a taxi to a dance class full of little girls... some kind of obsession? maybe he didn't get a part in a musical and blamed a group of girls... oh something like that. They said he had been involved in some kids' theatre group.

Kids with autism don't commit murder.

[quote] You are why they hate us. You have always felt rejected by society and you haven't got normal human feelings.

lol - another exercise in projection.

There could other complications like drug induced psychosis.

R200 I have never developed sociopathy that you see in many identitarian leftists. Even though I don't lead a heterosexual family life I have retained relatively healthy natural approach toward my community.

On the contrary narcissist sociopaths are hiding behind excessive "love" for other ethnicities. It happens only with degenerate whites, because no other ethnicity nor race have outgroup preference except for "white liberals." Their communities are still healthy to a degree regarding ingroup solidarity.

"Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias — meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for groups other than their own. Indeed, on average, white liberals rated ethnic and racial minority groups 13 points (or half a standard deviation) warmer than whites.

...

Mercy Muroki mentioned how, though blacks make 13 % of population in London, they make more than 50% of gun crime. Sounds familiar?

[quote] Kids with autism don't commit murder.

wikipedia:

A report issued by the Office of the Child Advocate in November 2014 said that Adam Lanza had Asperger's syndrome.

On December 14, 2012, a mass shooting occurred at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, United States: The perpetrator, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people. 20 of the victims were children between six and seven years old, and the other six were adult staff members. Earlier that day, before driving to the school, Lanza fatally shot his mother at their Newtown home. As first responders arrived at the school, Lanza killed himself, shooting himself in the head.

There is no evidence that people with ASD are more violent than those without ASD (Im, 2016). There is nevertheless a small subgroup of individuals with ASD who exhibit violent offending behaviours and our previous work has suggested that other factors, such as adverse childhood experiences, might be important in this subgroup (Allely, Minnis, Thompson, Wilson, & Gillberg, Citation2014). Fitzgerald (Citation2015) highlights that school shootings and mass killings are not uncommonly carried out by individuals with neurodevelopmental disorders, with frequent evidence of warning indicators...

The Journal of Psychology, May 2016

Whadda ya wanna bet this autism diagnosis is a bunch of bullshit?

Anyone???

Washington Post: "Significant Statistical Link Between Mass Murder and Autism, Brian Injury"

* Brian should be Brain ahem...

Should I carry on?

So, it is allowed to bash people with autism as murderers. Even though there is not firm proof for it. You don't get targetted as autistophobe.

Whereas pointing out that some other characteristics, statistically much more significant, is strictly verbotten.

What percentage do autistic people make in knife stabber incidents in UK?

[quote]17 years old is hardly a MAN

I beg to differ.

r190 it is absolutely true that the 2nd generation, born and raised in the West, are more radicalized and hostile to Western culture and values.

These people DO NOT assimilate.

17 is not a man today. 26 today is the new 17.

T-Swift Event’s Stabbing Suspect Smiles at Reporters in First Court Appearance:

Lots of people twisting themselves in knots here because this situation doesn’t fit their narrative.

It is hard to be on the politic line of identity "left", cause you have to be separated from reality and even a liar, because the reality just doesn't fit the ideology.

r217, we all appreciate your valiant efforts to rid the world of lefties and wokesters.

[quote]It is hard to be on the politic line of identity "left"

Wot?

[quote] Wot?

That’s how British people talk. They yell that at the end of sentences.

It’s Chewsday, innit? Wot?

For R220:

I wouldn't necessarily call a 17 year old a man but regardless, he's a dangerous "human"

He is 18 in few days, so calling him a (young) man would be just ok.

In official circumstances people who are no longer minor are not called boys. It would even be considered lack of respect to call an 18nyo boy

He's evil

A bad seed

R220,

Nobody has spoken like that since the 1920s, and even then only in Jeeves and Wooster stories.

I say "you wot" and "innit" quite a lot. Granted I did grow up in West Yorkshire, and am only ever half a can of Special Brew away from reverting to my peoples natural state of putting on trackies and a baseball cap and spending the evening harassing elderly women at the town bus station.

Tom Swarbrick on LBC Radio keeps on asking why the “protesters” didn’t “show up” when Lucy Letby’s murders of babies in a hospital were exposed. For christ’sxsake, what happened in Southport was a completely different situation. Someone walked into a public setting and proceeded to attack children indiscriminately.

The disgusting aftermath of the stabbings had one rather entertaining outcome.This arsehole thought it would be clever to taunt the police. Then he was hit in the balls with a brick from his own side.

I do not think there is any truth at all , that his defense will be hate speech coupled with the mostly gay mens forum he came across and became overwhelmed in hate for Taylor Swift and her band of fans.

The men and their hate for Taylor and her fans some calling on their deaths took over my life.

Swarbrick's Lucy Letby comparison is ridiculous.

[quote]Swarbrick's Lucy Letby comparison is ridiculous.

BUT WHAT IF LUCY LETBY WAS A BLACK TRANS WOMAN????

MAKES YOU THINK

R229 - He got concussed by a rock right before he got hit in the nuts with a brick. Not a terribly bright man. What do you call an aged yob/chav?

And now Taylor has had to cancel her Vienna concerts due to an Islamic extremist plot. Dangerous time to be a Swiftie.

Only the lowest trash try to hurt people at places where they are at their most joyful.

Fuck terrorists. Rot in hell, you pieces of shit!

In a battle between Allah and the Swifties, I know who I'm betting on.

Taylor Swift seems to be a magnet for crazies. You don't see that with Beyonce etc. I wonder why.

So let me get this right, the Migrants who do violent shit against white Brits are just oppressed victims but the white Brits who protest the violent acts and the feral aggressors are racist terrorists? Oh okay, got it. We live in an insane world where woke politics is considered sanity, and our overlords want us to all live like we’re in the slums with animals.

[quote]So let me get this right, the Migrants who do violent shit against white Brits are just oppressed victims but the white Brits who protest the violent acts and the feral aggressors are racist terrorists? Oh okay, got it. We live in an insane world where woke politics is considered sanity, and our overlords want us to all live like we’re in the slums with animals.

A 17 year old born in Britain to African parents murdered 3 little girls.

In response to this a rumour spread on social media that the attacker was a Muslim who arrived on a small boat and "protesters" tried to burn down mosques and buildings housing refugees.

People who attacked the police have been prosecuted for assault. People who posted things on social media saying "burn down hotels with refugees in" have been prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred.

This is nothing to to do with woke, it's basic law and order.

And the people who rioted after George Floyd's murder and attacked police should also be prosecuted.

What - is Southport some kind of Limey ghetto?

[quote]What - is Southport some kind of Limey ghetto?

Southport is a fairly ordinary coastal town on the west coast of England, just above Wales, between Liverpool and Blackpool.

There are some affluent areas and some very ordinary working class terraced house areas. Its population is around 90,000.

The murderer wasn't from Southport, he took a taxi there.

It’s really as simple as:

Immigrants who assimilate - beneficial Immigrants who refuse to assimilate - dangerous

I’ve never understood Muslims who move to France and complain about women sunbathing topless. I was a bit taken aback to see that when I was there, but that’s the culture and I didn’t mock or criticize the French women for it.

If sexually liberated women are an abomination to you, don’t move to European countries.

R242 Muslim men and Woke women is the hate fuck showdown of the century. The liberal women are yearning for full control and challenging men to wrangle them, but their split mind also wants to be told what to do and controlled. These women are smorgasbords of ideological sound bytes, they’re stupid and low I.Q. but are for some reason being thrust into the driver’s seat. There is no there, there… just some vague idea of how things will be better if they’re in charge. They’ll push out all the old, white men just to usher in a Sharia Law regime, they’re short-sighted and privileged idiots who have no idea what they’re doing.

R243 so true.

Why we can't have nice things.