God, what a sad scene.
Have you ever felt like this?
I have.
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God, what a sad scene.
Have you ever felt like this?
I have.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 2, 2024 7:30 AM |
I've never seen this film all the way through, and in my opinion, Borgnine's acting of the first part of this scene is not good. It seems like there's no emotional subtext to what he's saying until he finally explodes at his mother. Then he's great for what's left of the scene, but the first part seems so dry and perfunctory.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | July 28, 2024 9:09 PM |
He won an Oscar for it….
by Anonymous | reply 2 | July 28, 2024 9:10 PM |
Well the Academy didn't think so R1, because he won the Best Actor Oscar for this role.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | July 28, 2024 9:10 PM |
Ernest Borgnine is a homophobic piece of shit.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | July 28, 2024 9:12 PM |
R4 came to say that to, this cunt refused to even watch Brokeback Mountain, along with fellow cunt Tony Curtis.
He also beat James Dean for East Of Eden
by Anonymous | reply 5 | July 28, 2024 9:15 PM |
*too
by Anonymous | reply 6 | July 28, 2024 9:16 PM |
Great film. Marty is a bachelor and being pressured by friends and family about not settling down. He meets a girl by chance and the same friends and family who berated him for being single sabotage his relationship with the girl!
Very funny the girl is a spinster who attended NYU, when NYU now grows whores of both sexes.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | July 28, 2024 9:19 PM |
[quote] Marty is a bachelor and being pressured by friends and family about not settling down.
At first I thought the character might be gay.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | July 28, 2024 9:23 PM |
Never seen the whole thing. Does it have a happy ending?
by Anonymous | reply 9 | July 28, 2024 9:29 PM |
I'm aware that Borgnine won an Oscar for MARTY, but that doesn't change my opinion of his acting in the first part of the scene in the clip linked to above.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | July 28, 2024 9:31 PM |
I'm glad Paddy Chayefsky moved away from sentimental dramas like this and into satirical dramas later in his career. "The Americanization of Emily," "Hospital," and "Network" are all more memorable than "Marty."
by Anonymous | reply 11 | July 28, 2024 9:35 PM |
This scene is so depressing.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | July 28, 2024 9:41 PM |
[quote]I'm glad Paddy Chayefsky moved away from sentimental dramas like this and into satirical dramas later in his career. "The Americanization of Emily," "Hospital," and "Network" are all more memorable than "Marty."
Others might say those are just two different types of scripts, both very well written by him.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | July 28, 2024 9:48 PM |
R1 I think he has had so many versions of this conversation before, sometimes just to himself, that he has numbed himself out and it has become somewhat perfunctory—until his mother just won’t let up. Borgnine in his villain roles (including Brokeback comments) has always seemed unsubtle and one-note to me, but this is one terrific performance, a well-deserved successor to Brando in the best actor Oscar list. And I actually prefer Chayefsky in his “little people” period to the pompous, “no one has integrity any more, not like my generation, not like me” later version.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | July 28, 2024 10:00 PM |
Nice to see outdoor scenes shot in The Bronx.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | July 28, 2024 10:05 PM |
I always confuse Marty with The Catered Affair, which starred Borgnine and Davis, and a very hot Rod Taylor.
Then we have EB in The Poseidon Adventure crying "Not my Linda" after his reformed hooker wife played by the voluptuous, but brassy Stella Stevens, falls into burning water.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | July 28, 2024 10:06 PM |
"PREACHER!!!! You took from me the only thing I ever loved....my LINDA!"
At least he brought the fabulous TOVA into our lives.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | July 28, 2024 10:11 PM |
His proclivity for Dutch ovens explains why he's alone.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | July 29, 2024 12:56 AM |
I relate to this scene very much.
At 40, I realized it just wasn't going to happen for me. Whatever guys liked that would keep them around, I didn't have it. And I was tired of trying and trying and being hurt.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | July 29, 2024 1:23 AM |
Marty's a great film but do see the original 1953 TV play.
Be prepared to be blown away by Rod Steiger.
Also with Betsy Palmer. And a glimpse of George Maharis.
Paddy Chayefsky was only 30 years old when he wrote it. The script is very Tennessee Williams Glass Menagerie
by Anonymous | reply 20 | July 29, 2024 1:27 AM |
I love this movie.
by Anonymous | reply 21 | July 29, 2024 1:34 AM |
[quote] Then we have EB in The Poseidon Adventure crying "Not my Linda" after his reformed hooker wife played by the voluptuous, but brassy Stella Stevens, falls into burning water.
[quote] "PREACHER!!!! You took from me the only thing I ever loved....my LINDA!"
Oh, this is another one of my favorites.
I never knew that Borgnine was a homophobe, but I can still separate the person from the actor.
And as an actor, he has so much heart and passion. You just don't see it that much in actors today, which is why I can appreciate his performances.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | July 29, 2024 1:55 AM |
The movie has a happy ending. I appreciate the fact that he finds a woman that his friends consider unattractive. I think a lot of people end up alone because they have ridiculous standards and are looking for tens when they’re fives.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | July 29, 2024 2:08 AM |
I felt that way until I was 49 and met my husband. I was ok looking when I ws in my 30s and early 40s but never was able to attract many guys. I had given up. Met him and never looked back. He's handsome and 15 years younger. Hang in there Marty.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | July 29, 2024 2:15 AM |
The scene that really breaks my heart is when Clara realizes Marty isn't going to call as she sits there watching TV with her parents. Betsy Blair was such a wonderful actress.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | July 29, 2024 2:19 AM |
OP to answer your question, I have never felt ugly and undesired because I was from about 18 to mid 50s a tall and very handsome and slim hunk. Very handsome. But sometime in my mid 50s I was got off the merry go round and I became very very lonely, and COVID didn't help matters. I had constructed a fair amount of my "social" life on my attractiveness. After my relationships ended in my 40s, several nights a week, for years, I was with lovers, not friends.
by Anonymous | reply 26 | July 29, 2024 2:35 AM |
Ernest Borgnine is such a great storyteller in person.
Here he is talking about The Poseidon Adventure, and how it almost didn't get made.
Can you imagine??
by Anonymous | reply 27 | July 29, 2024 2:36 AM |
Also I think Marty/Ernest wasn't that horrible, and could have found a woman who would have taken his physical type in stride. Everyone of all attractiveness can usually find a partner-husband-wife if they know how to have relationships.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | July 29, 2024 2:37 AM |
Cuts me to the marrow, see?
Prometheus and Eros,
Be still, my broken heart
We took this way too far-
Oh, well, unto the breach once more
by Anonymous | reply 30 | July 29, 2024 2:46 AM |
[quote]I think he has had so many versions of this conversation before, sometimes just to himself, that he has numbed himself out and it has become somewhat perfunctory—until his mother just won’t let up.
I can understand that interpretation, but I think there should have been some subtext of annoyance or hurt or whatever during the first part of his conversation with his mother, whereas Borgnine played it in a way that seemed very superficial to me.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | July 29, 2024 2:55 AM |
Such a great actor.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | July 29, 2024 11:42 AM |
A very unusual and good film. R7, what?
by Anonymous | reply 34 | July 29, 2024 12:34 PM |
I feel sorry for all the gay and lesbian kids who read his (and other celeb) responses to how disgusting Brokeback Mountain was, and how they wouldn't even watch it.
He might have won an Oscar but he's a POS imo
by Anonymous | reply 36 | July 29, 2024 1:12 PM |
First I love Ernest. He is great in so many films but my favorite is " The Wild Bunch". I hate " Marty" ( it can appear brutal and raw at some points but the ending is never in doubt ), but that scene always moves me because I have felt that way so many times in my life- as a teenager, as a gay adult, as a black man, and just because of my upbring. I agree with the person who wrote about Marty having this conversation in his head. One of the things that the film is good at is portraying how lonely everyone is in the film- the aunt, the friends of Marty, even his mother. So when he breaks down about being ugly he is really speaking the unspoken feelings of his culture. And raises the question of how some cultures, communities- keep people in their places, and roles, and leave them little hope of dreaming of better things and people.
I have never seen Rod's performance but I'll bet it is an earthquake.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | July 29, 2024 8:42 PM |
Borgnine is great in The Wild Bunch and also Bad Day at Black Rock (he gets his ass kicked by Spencer Tracy). Also good in From Here to Eternity!
by Anonymous | reply 38 | July 29, 2024 8:45 PM |
Oh shit, I forgot that he was in From Here to Eternity.
He was fantastic as the bad guy, which proves that he was great in any role.
Good or bad.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | July 29, 2024 8:49 PM |
The part where William Holden dies is good. Borgnine was fun - too bad about the Brokeback thing. And who knows, John Wayne might have had an open mind. The Dietrich effect?
by Anonymous | reply 40 | July 29, 2024 8:53 PM |
R19 My boyfriend says he felt the exact same way just before he met me two years ago. Keep the faith :)
by Anonymous | reply 41 | July 29, 2024 8:56 PM |
Jason Bateman lives in the Ernest Borgnine estate!
by Anonymous | reply 42 | July 29, 2024 9:02 PM |
In the original tv version Marty’s gf is Livia Soprano.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | July 29, 2024 9:06 PM |
His license plate was BORG-9.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | July 29, 2024 9:18 PM |
It was clear that Angie had a crush on Marty and Marty let Angie blow him at least once.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | July 30, 2024 7:33 PM |
There's a really good article by the Bronx Historical Society that talks about how well it captured that part of the Bronx during that era both physically and socially.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 1, 2024 9:16 PM |
Much of the old Bronx was destroyed by Robert Moses. Marty was filmed pre-destruction.
I remember er Car 54 Where Are you? having an eviction episode where they had to evict a woman from the Bronx so they can tear her building down. Al Lewis (Grandpa Munster) plays a guy working for areal estate developer. The audience laughed so much at him that he was recruited to play Officer Leo Schnauzer. And Leo was married to the lovely Sylvia Schnauzer, played by Charlotte Ray. She plays the role as a straight up lunatic
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 2, 2024 5:17 AM |
Robert Moses did do a number on the central Bronx but luckily the Marty locations, the Arthur Avenue Italian section and along Fordham Road, were north of that and spared, I believe, remaining much the same for another 15 to 20 years.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 2, 2024 5:34 AM |
[quote]I feel sorry for all the gay and lesbian kids who read his (and other celeb) responses to how disgusting Brokeback Mountain was, and how they wouldn't even watch it.
He might have won an Oscar but he's a POS imo
R36 absolutely. Kids today are *definitely* all about reading up on an actor most adults wouldn't recognize—Ernest Borgnine—and his oh-so-relevant comments about a movie that the average viewer hasn't even seen, *Brokeback Mountain*. Poor, poor kids.
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