Ooops! JD Vance's transgender classmate leaks trove of private emails and text messages with former 'buddy'.

This is why you vet, vet, vet, until you can vet no more.

It's just what friends do, leak private conversations. Narcissist.

Ah the grifting is so apparent.

If all of this is true and there's something compromising in the messages, Trump now has a good excuse to dump Vance.

Trump might be giving him the "it's not me, it's you" talk as I type.

Beards indicate deception. We can't have a VP or POTUS with a beard, or one with initials for a name.

[quote]Vance replied: 'I hate the police. Given the number of negative experiences I've had in the past few years, I can't imagine what a Black guy goes through.'

That is a massive fucking problem.

1) in an of itself, when you consider who makes up the MAGA base.

2) back to when you're explaining, you're losing and he didn't even finish explaining childless cat ladies yet.

This is a massive fucking problem.

Wait, so this is a female to male? Why does the mail keep calling her a she? They're going to have to apologize. This is all so confusing.

[quote]Why does the mail keep calling her a she?

Transitioning to another sex doesn't somehow magically make you that sex.

The Dailymail is identifying her correctly. There is nothing to apologize for.

The Daily Mail is truly the meanest publication on the planet. They are terrible, cruel people. They never apologize. They wallow in it like a sow.

That’s just a woman… not sure why the trans part is necessary.

Like a super butch lesbian that tells everyone to call he “Cal”.

She uses female pronouns as far as I can tell. I’m for anything that damages Trump’s chances but it doesn’t seem like this relationship or the emails add anything dramatic. Vance has talked about moving to the right since his twenties already.

The friendship ended because Vance didn’t approve of transing children. He said it was too experimental. And I agree with him. Her argument was the usual if they’re not trans before puberty they’ll commit suicide. An argument which has already been debunked.

No oppo research necessary with this guy—he left quite a record right out in the open.

This makes me sad, because it seems like he was a reasonable person (and genuinely fond of his friend) when he was young.

He wasn't ever reasonable. He was (and is) a chameleon. He parroted back the ideology of whoever he happened to be around at the moment.

They shared a love of eyeliner.

[quote]This makes me sad, because it seems like he was a reasonable person (and genuinely fond of his friend) when he was young.

They were friends until three years ago, when Vance decided to go full MAGAt to advance his career.

Fuck the Farage-loving Mail. Here's the paywall-free NY Times link.

Original NYT link.

Self-hating lesbian who supports child mutilation and both gay and gender conversion therapy for kids tries to make herself a hero by releasing private emails. I guess people should be careful with sending her emails and texts from now on.

In any case, nothing she's leaked makes Vance look bad, the opposite in fact. Any criticisms of Trump will be explained away as Vance having been influenced by negative media coverage but changing his mind once he saw what Trump had achieved as president. The rest simply shows Vance as liberal and moderate, horrified by racism against blacks and Muslims, who has lesbian and then "trans" friends but is rightly careful about things like puberty blockers.

R21 must be dizzy after all that spinning.

After attending the Pride Day parade, (Vance) wrote, “It felt more like a frat party than I expected. But still nice to see a lot of happy people.”

Somebody should ask him what his frat days were like.

I hope you didn't give yourself a hernia, R21, that's a lot of twisting.

[quote]R21 must be dizzy after all that spinning.

[quote]I hope you didn't give yourself a hernia, R21, that's a lot of twisting.

I am certain r21 started out spinning and twisted.

Really r22, r24 and r25? I doubt it very much. Why don't you explain how anything that self-hating lesbian "reveals" puts Vance in a bad light? Especially his opposition to puberty blockers.

The comments at the Daily Mail seem to think this shows Vance in a good light. You might say, well, that's American Daily Mail readers. Yeah, and there are a lot more of them and their type among the American electorate than there are people on DL. Why don't you consider what the average voter might think, not someone who hates Trump and Vance and imagines every criticism of them is a "gotcha!". These emails are no "gotcha".

R23, another quote from Vance that makes him seem like a moderate person.

Your baseline views are so nasty and skewed that your justifications don't matter.

What exactly are my "hardline" views, r27? That kids shouldn't be given puberty blockers? That Sofia Nelson is a lesbian and not a man? That it's considered moderate and liberal to revile racism against black people and Muslims?

Start with reading comprehension: baseline, not hardline. This means your foundational viewpoints are so abhorrent that none of your justifications matter. Good day.

Sorry, r29, typo. So, what are my "baseline" views then, r29? That kids shouldn't be given puberty blockers? That Sofia Nelson is a lesbian and not a man? That it's considered moderate and liberal to revile racism against black people and Muslims? You can't actually say what's wrong with anything I said so you are resorting to some abstract assumptions.

If you can point out anything terrible that Vance apparently said in these emails and then how these emails are going to harm either him or Trump then I'd be interested. But you can't, which is why you're just throwing out ad hominem stuff instead of looking at the issues.

Again with the browsing comprehension. What part of "Good Day" did you not get?!

I understood very well what you meant by "good day", r31. You meant "I am incapable of responding to the points you made because I'm only into sneering and ad hominem insults and not discussing politics on the basis of the issues". You obviously didn't mean "goodbye" because you came back.

Let the pile-on continue:

Children should not be "transed" Chemically or surgically. Strange bedfellows. The elite colleges had many gung-ho "radical" trans and we all were supportive of adults trans but given and inch, they took a mile. Many were nutso. Transing children is nutso.

R32 make sure to WW your posts because I am sure you've already been FF by r29, R27. I am surprised he hasn't called you a Troll yet. But his posts have the feel of the Fascist Thought Police that have been patrolling DL attacking people. They'll F&F you just because they disagree.

Damn. Needed to drop these in October.

To attract the still undecided voters to Trump and Vance, r36?

MAGA doesn’t want Dunce to be moderate. They want him to be MAGA. And the flip-flopping won’t appeal to undecided voters because it make him seem untrustworthy. There’s no way to spin that this is helpful. MAGA isn’t concerned about puberty blockers only, they don’t want gay people to be seen or heard. That Thiel even supports this says a lot about what an asshole he is.

People who advocate for puberty blockers are the ones who are trying to erase gays, r38. Take this Sofia Nelson, for example, she's an erased lesbian. She didn't want people to see her as a gay woman.

As for Trump not wanting to be seen as moderate, these email "revelations" are about Vance not Trump. The contents reveal a moderate stance on social issues on Vance's part, though. If you believe that Trump and Vance don't want to be seen as a "liberal" then these emails actually help them, because they can use these emails show that they're not anti-black, anti-gay or anti-Muslim, but that they're anti-extremists and anti-LGBTQ+ activists who are harming kids.

Is being viewed as a trans man soaring negative feedback R39? How is it easier?

The contents of the emails reveal that Vance has turned his back on gays, blacks and Muslims, just as he has his friend.

Turning this into an argument about trans issues plays right into Trump's hand by burying Vance's police comment, which is more damaging to the campaign.

Oddly enough, r39, after reading his full comments about the "Death of his Son," that is kind of what Elon Musk exactly said. He said his son was effeminate, gay, not a female. He said he lost his son to the idea that just because a boy expresses himself in an effeminate way, he must be trans. So they erased his gay son with trans ideology.

This thread isn't about our personal issues with the Trans movement, but Vance's insincerity, hypocrisy, etc. in furthering his ambition.

R20 he's a good looking man

Is it "hypocritical" to be tolerant of adult decisions and civil rights for all adults including trans adults, and being against the surgical and chemical "transing" of children. No matter how convinced the 11 year old boy is that he is a girl, and how proud mommy is to parade her progressiveness and her trans male to female prepuberty son on the world. So he must be chemically castrated, never to grow a big enough dick to make into a fauxgina? And change "her" mind at 27 that in fact "she" is a man, the sex he was born as?

Politico’s Ian Ward on the Thinkers and Groups Who Have Shaped JD Vance’s Unusual Worldview:

Looks like he's taking a dump in R47

NONE of this matters to the MAGA crowd.

They’re gonna vote for Trump.

Even if Hillary Clinton were his running mate, they’d vote for him.

Also, this is a flex for Vance. He cheerfully threw his friend under the bus in order to pursue want HE wants. Just like Trumpers & Trump himself, he is disloyal to a T.

That's a good point r42. Democrats are constantly ordered to renounce "Defund the Police," even if they never said it, never thought it, never came close to thinking it. They are constantly being told to swear that 99% of cops are wonderful human beings, and only a few bad apples cause all the problems.

Also, I'm a little curious what Vance means when he refers to the number of negative experiences he's had with police in recent years, and why he hates them.

Oh, Perftronnie @R39. You need to try to disguise yourself a bit better.

[quote] Also, I'm a little curious what Vance means when he refers to the number of negative experiences he's had with police in recent years, and why he hates them.

He got picked up while cruising in public.

Caught stealing eyeliner one too many times?

Performing unnatural relations with a couch at the city dumop?

OP, you sly puss.