I can't get over how smooth and well executed the Kamala rollout has been

how many times per day do you think she farts? 10? 20? more?🤔

It’s “ridiculously” early Miss Optimus-just wait.

Trump has said so much stupid shit over the years to use against him that this should be a cakewalk. Unfortunately Dems often fall short in the aggressive counter attacks. I hope that's about to change

Last night at one of his stupid rallies...

"If I'm elected you'll never have to vote again" 😳

^ Source for that declaration

Dems in array!

^ Yes,we are getting more array everyday

The GOP is scared SHITLESS, I can promise you that.

my pooosey stinks!!!

So far, Harris seems so much better, more confident, and more at ease than during her failed 2020 presidential run. During this past week, she has been flawless and fearless. But she's going to have a lot of mud slung at her, and she'll need to find a way to explain or clean up some of her past statements, which haven't always been the greatest. This ad for Dave McCormick, the Pa. GOP candidate for Senate, is a sign of what's to come. She needs to convince voters in Pa., Michigan, and Wisconsin that she understands them and is not a typical "West Coast liberal."

[quote]She needs to convince voters in Pa., Michigan, and Wisconsin that she understands them and is not a typical "West Coast liberal."

That's why she should pick Shapiro, who is the very moderate and very well-liked Governor of PA.

Didn't they say that about Obama and Biden as well, r9?

I’m loving it, too, OP, and have actually heard a few pundits say they believe what was initially thought to be a huge deficit for Kamala — a 4-month window in which to launch and run an effective campaign — may prove to be a tremendous boon instead. Hell, if she goes on to win this thing, who knows — she might even rewrite the book on how long we make Presidential election seasons in this country.

Gen Z is why.

In an interesting way, I think Kamala is like Obama in that she is hard to pin down. That makes attacks less likely to stick and works to her advantage.

Also, I think women are mad as fuck, and the sexist vitriol the Right is flinging is only going to incentivize women to show up in November. It's a different country for women than it was in 2016.

Women will save us. Or we will sink. Men are such a disappointment . Go women.

Wow, R9 -- now that I saw that ad, I realize that I agree with virtually all of her positions.

Thanks!

I was an early Kamala supporter during the 2020 campaign and fully understood why that was a non-starter for me. But I knew she could do it and she was my first choice for Biden's VP. Kamala just needed some more time and I think she learned a great deal from Biden.

Biden did a tremendous job considering what he inherited from tRump. I absolutely would have voted for Joe Biden in the upcoming election. His decline, however, made me fearful. I don't think a person in their 80s is up for the rigors of the Presidency - and that includes tRump, who will be in his 80s during another term.

I was truly afraid of a brokered convention, which all media, including MSNBC were preaching. I have been so impressed with how the Democrats have managed to fall into line behind Kamala. And I have been so impressed with Kamala in her appearances in the last week. She can do it! And let's not forget, all of this has managed to steal the thunder of the tRump/republican convention and tRump "shooting" - whatever that was.

I realize this is going to be a tight race - it shouldn't be. I am far more optimistic than I was just a week ago.

Go Kamala!!!

I'm more than pleasantly surprised. Kamala has completely overcome her lack of charisma. Being cringe is cool now. Memes really are magic. Coconut pill is perfect.

r9 this reminds me of all the times you see them put a graphic up on fox like 'AOC's GRIM plan to destroy America - expand medicare, paid sick leave for workers, protect social security, food for hungry kids, etc. '

[QUOTE] Women will save us. Or we will sink. Men are such a disappointment . Go women.

Correction: BLACK WOMEN will save us. The same group of people whom DLers never miss a chance to shit on are the very ones they owe their freedom. White women will bow to the white male patriarchy and vote GOP. If it wasn’t for white women, the Republican Party would be extinct.

I will admit that I was extremely skeptical when Biden dropped out and endorsed her. I expressed as much here on DL. However, the response has been just incredible, and I feel completely reinvigorated about this election. I hope she continues to hammer on the "We're not going back" line, reinforcing that she, and the Dems are looking to the future, and Trump wants to drag us back into an idealized past - which is really only ideal for straight white christian men, the rest of us get to serve them.

The way the party has pulled itself together around her has been a sight to behold. Watching Trump unravel over it has been enjoyable as well.

I have not been a Kamala fan at all (I'm a Whitmer groupie), but she has impressed me this past week. She's on fire, man. She's got the energy and intellectual acuity to lead with vigor. I take back my previous comments. I'll vote for her with enthusiasm. I do hope she picks Whitmer as her running mate.

and R20 White women republicans seem to be absolutely comfortable putting their needs last and voting against their best interests. And it doesn't seem to be that hard to convince them to do so. And a good number of white women in general will say one thing in the streets and vote another way in the booth because of their allegiance to the white male patriarchy and their fear of losing it - considering one of it's tenets in theory, although not in practice, is endorsing the innocence, fragility and superiority of white womenhood over all else. And a mainstay of the Democratic Party - white Jewish women, is on the line now with a number of them leaning towards Trump with his supposed hardline against Palestine and support of Netanyahu at this critical point for Jews in general. This I have been told directly by a handful of my Jewish women friends. Although having the first Jewish First Gentleman being Jewish might be a big draw.

Jewish women voting for Trump? In 2024? Yeah, right. 🙄

R17"

"and tRump "shooting" - whatever that was."

I'm a life long dem and will vote for Kamala. The shooting was an assassination attempt on a former president and leading candidate for the presidency. It was not ironic or a false flag, so no need for your asinine "irony" quotation marks.

The would-be presidential assassin is dead. Three rally attendees shot, one dead, two seriously injured.

It was a shooting.

GROW THE FUCK UP, use your brain, and do not type like a GOP asshat.

This was really interesting to me, in the right wing British newspaper the Telegraph:

Kamala Harris flattens Trump’s lead in first week, poll shows

I read the Telegraph because the international reporting is good and the travel section is awesome. I avoid the opinion like the plague. But if the Telegraph is writing this, it is a very positive indicator. The Telegraph is a biased newspaper, an unashamedly so. If this is the worst they can write (and there's nothing bad in it) then something really good is happening:

"Kamala Harris has virtually erased Donald Trump’s lead in the race for president, according to a new poll.

The battle for the White House is now effectively tied as Trump’s six-point lead over President Joe Biden this month was squashed to just two points, according to a Wall Street Journal poll.

Accounting for a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, that puts Trump and Ms Harris neck and neck ahead of the November vote.

Harris is riding a wave of momentum after replacing Mr Biden, whose campaign was dogged by questions over his age and fitness for office.

According to the poll, she is also supported by 63 per cent of nonwhite voters, up from the 51 per cent Mr Biden had in the last WSJ poll.

She is also drawing a larger share of under 30 voters than Biden was earlier this month, though still lacks the same level of support from them that he had in his narrow 2020 victory.

While the poll shows Trump still in the lead, it will vindicate concerns in his camp that Mr Biden being replaced by a younger, more vigorous candidate for president, would make Trump’s route to the White House harder.

In a ballot test that included Robert F. Kennedy Jr and other independent and third party candidates, Harris pulls ahead of Trump with 45 per cent of the vote and he on 44 per cent. Mr Kennedy is backed by just 4 per cent and 5 per cent remain undecided.

On Friday, Trump launched into a diatribe against Ms Harris at a speech in Florida, calling her “a bum” and making wild allegations about her stance on abortion. "

She's done extremely well this past week and the team behind her is doing extremely well. It's quite amazing, when you consider Joe's performance prior to exiting. I guess everybody really was hamstrung by where he is at this point in life.

This is a patience, grasshopper moment. If she hews to the center, picks a complementary VP, and keeps out there in the field, I believe she can do it.

This election is a referendum on the country. It either has the maturity and contentment to moderate or it feels defeated and is retreating to the past to wait for the end.

There's another thing that leaps out, though in some ways it is lost as Harris seizes the momentum:

Trump and his carpetbaggers are running a really bad campaign.

Where are they this week?

A Harris component of their campaign should have already been on the shelf. Or they could have retooled what they were intending to run against Biden. Nothing. Instead they've got Vance on the boil, Trump whining, no announcements, nothing. I haven't heard a single specific idea in - can't remember how long. Just the usual nonsense rhetoric. They are their own worst enemies. I'm not predicting landslide but they are not putting up a fight and they have to fight for the undecideds too.

I'm not gonna lie; it has been nice to see. And while I don't believe it was some all-along grand plan, it sure feels that way based on how smoothly this has been. However, the honeymoon period will end at some point, and some mistakes will be made and we all just have to remain focused on helping Kamala get across the finish line.

How many 2020 Trump voters are now dead from COVID?

I agree with everyone here but I do worry.

When Vice President Harris is elected president, the proof of the pudding will be in her ability to ACTUALLY govern.

Former President Obama had a Sisyphean task to get anything done. Maybe the lesson from his term, "You can't do business with the GOP."

It's only been a week, but every time I hear Kamala talk I think, "She sounds so normal". With all this rightwing Christofascist bullshit we're bombarded with day after day it's so refreshing just to hear a politician that sounds "normal"

We need to get back to normal where people don't have to worry every minute of every day that some nut case politician or SCOTUS is going to rip our rights away while we sleep. I'm over it

If you are amazed by the transition and how smooth it has been, then you are in continued wonderment at the STYLE OF JOE BIDEN.

Joe gets the hard stuff done. All of his legislation was left for dead until Joe breathed life into continued negotiations. Joe will wear you down until you support his objective. He played MAGA with Kamala. He will be playing them through the inauguration.

I have listened to major CORPORATE donors saying they are WAITING to see if Kamala is going to continue Biden's PROGRESSIVE initiatives. Corporate Democrats are holding their breath on reversing the Trump Tax Hoax, increase Corporate taxes, scrap the cap on Social Security, institute National Child Care, reinstitute the child care support that cut child poverty, restore and strengthen SNAP, capital tax on Billionaires.

They want to go back to a Democratic stalemate.

I hope Kamala has learned how to continue negotiations after people think she has given up.

I hope she continues to visit the Senate and Congress as President.

I hope she lives up to the goals and objectives Joe stated in his Campaign Resignation Speech from the Oval.

I hope Corporate Democrats continue to find themselves fucked.

[quote]Jewish women voting for Trump? In 2024? Yeah, right. 🙄

R24, I wouldn't believe it either. But that was a very decisive turn after Oct 7th when the more vocal parts of a party they always identified with seem to wholeheartedly rally behind Palestinian supporters while while the other parts of the party weren't vocal enough. This election for a lot of Jewish people is coming down to a one issue election - who will keep me more safe in the street and fight back against those who are attacking us here in the United States. I work in an industry where a lot of my clients are Jewish women and it is non stop posts about this issue. Some even saying, well at least with Jared Kushner in the presidents ear, we felt protected. They are literally saying this.

SO, I wouldn't sleep on the importance of reaching out to this community and letting them know that they will be supported and protected. Kamela's words this week about the devastation in Gaza didn't help that - this is a very black and white issue to them now. You either are 100% supportive or against us. Kamela's words this week were akin to Donald Trumps "There are good people on both sides" fiasco.

[quote]How many 2020 Trump voters are now dead from COVID?

Many. It’s a big reason the “red wave” never materialized in 2022, because Dump thought it was a good strategy to kill off his own voters.

[quote]I work in an industry where a lot of my clients are Jewish women and it is non stop posts about this issue. Some even saying, well at least with Jared Kushner in the presidents ear, we felt protected. They are literally saying this.

Another reason why she needs to pick Shapiro.

@r34, "Dump thought it was a good strategy to kill off his own voters. "

He got another one at his rally of hate last week 👍

OP, did you watch her speech in Wisconsin? It was excellent.

It's called a honeymoon period. Sigh. Also, if DL is a barometer, all opposition to Kamala's coronation is squashed immediately and pushed under the rug by whoever makes opinion.

The trolls are becoming really low effort around here.

R39 You're just proving my point.

Biden dropped out at exactly the right time. November is only a couple of months away. JD Vance and Trump will fuck themselves for the next few months. Kamala really just has to stand back and not get her hands too dirty. They will kill themselves (metaphorically and, hopefully, literally). She just needs to campaign her ass off as a center-left person, especially in the swing states, and she has a good shot of winning.

R29, how many are dead from attending Trump rallies?

The base is ENERGIZED, r42.

I have donated and signed up to volunteer.

Shoulder to shoulder pad.

Looking at r45 reminds me that we're the party of ADULTS.

[quote] You're just proving my point.

You have no point, at least not a valid one, because there was no meaningful opposition. 95% of Democrats support her. The delegates support her. Congressional leadership supports her.

Why? Because every serious person knows we're 100 days out and it's time to unify.

It’s probably in the works, but she needs to do a 60 Minutes interview to talk about her policy positions and vision for the future. The contrast between her and old wreck Trump will help her win.

R44, hell yes! The base has not been this energized since 2008. And I do think swing voters/independents are energized too. The more stuff comes out about Trump and Vance, the more likely Kamala is going to win.

r49 there is nothing new to learn about Trump. He's dominated the news cycle (with a brief respite around 2021/2022) every single fucking day since mid-2015. That undoubtedly works to his disadvantage. Ironically, Clinton suffered from a similar problem in 2016. Too many people knew her and had decided they weren't going to vote for her, no matter what. (That's leaving the sexism aside, which was certainly part of it.)

Now Trump is in the same position of oversaturation, but in his case, it's much, much worse. And it's kind of delicious. His worst traits -- his narcissism, his need for constant validation, his odious nature, his sexism, his racism -- are going to be the things that defeat him this time around.

They derailed democracy pretty smoothly. Didn't they?

🙄 r52

Kamala was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED to the position of VP.

The only people whining about the democratic soundness of this are, ironically, MAGAs who had NO problem with the efforts on January 6th to overturn a LEGITIMATE election and the votes of 81 million Americans.

The whole world was holding their breath at the Biden Problem. Imagine living in Ukraine and knowing Trump would open the gates for the Russian pitbulls to come in "On Day 1"?

[google] Kamela's words this week were akin to Donald Trumps "There are good people on both sides" fiasco.

Oh, so that's going to be the tack taken by stealth Trump Trolls.

As if.

And I write this as someone who wishes with all my heart and mind that Palestinians and their allies would abandon their refusal to recognize the existence of the state of Israel and cease any further acts of terrorism and slaughter.

I also have eyes, ears and sentiency.

Netanyahu and SOME Israeli military personnel haven't only committed acts genocide on innocent Palestinians, including children, but have perpetrated acts that have the intent of EXTERMINATING Palestinians.

Note that I didn't accuse all Isrealis of that. I do not accuse all Jews of perpetrating those acts, nor do I believe most Jews want what Netanyahu has perpetrated.

I just know you're a Trump Troll.

[quote]I work in an industry where a lot of my clients are Jewish women and it is non stop posts about this issue. Some even saying, well at least with Jared Kushner in the presidents ear, we felt protected. They are literally saying this.

[quote]Another reason why she needs to pick Shapiro.

This is a proof point as to why Shapiro is probably a good pick. He's quite hardline on Israel. Whether certain DLers want to accept it or not, VPs are now picked for the problem they solve. Usually a big problem. I had long forgotten, but Clinton picked Gore because he was regarded as a centre right-ish Democrat. Bush picked Cheney to balance inexperience nationally, as Obama picked Biden. (To this day I don't know why Hillary picked Tim Kaine.) It remains to be seen what they will identify as their biggest problem, but it'll be obvious in who they pick. Kelly can ease vulnerability on the border. Shapiro on Israel v. Gaza. You can certainly see why the focus is narrowing to Shapiro and Kelly. (Conceding it's all speculation.)

I heard two interesting things on CNN this morning: the idea the Veep pick might come out of left field, despite all the speculation. I can't imagine who they could produce from within the party who would exceed the talent being identified, but who knows.

Second, the announcement will be made by August 7.

I gather the 7th may not be big news. I had been camping and haven't heard much. I guess the virtual nomination will be completed Aug 7 so obviously they need the ticket settled.

MAGA women acknowledge that Kamala's a threat:

[quote] This is a proof point as to why Shapiro is probably a good pick. He's quite hardline on Israel.

Is there a reason American politicians should be picked based on their policies regarding far-away foreign countries? As if the US doesn't have a myriad of domestic problems to solve right here within our borders?

R59: What matters is that strong support of Israel by a *Jewish* running mate in particular is seen as a liability right now.

R60, he's a liability and highly divisive and threatens the ground-swell of support from the youngest voters who have helped energize Kamala's campaign. That's the bottom line. As to the existential question you pose, that won't be solved in four months.

R60, and guess what? Pete is largely discredited as a running mate because he's gay (even here, on a gay forum). Whitmer is sometimes discredited because she's another woman. So... we all have our crosses to bear.

It is astonishing...

I can't wait for the book and the limited series about what happened behind the scenes to make this happen. I am personally focused on making sure it has a happy, uplifting ending with Madam President's inauguration.

I've heard Andy Beshear speak a couple of times and I always expect to hear a good ol' boy southerner, but he's surprisingly intelligent and progressive. He might be worth considering, because having a good looking southern white man who's not old balance the ticket can't hurt, but I'm still a big Pete fan

Because 24/7 full spectrum media propaganda works.

Who are you going to believe, the media or your lying eyes

[quote]I just know you're a Trump Troll.

R55, you obviously did not read my post. But anyway... I am not a TRUMP troll. I am just communicating to you what has been directly told and things I have read coming from my Jewish Female acquaintances, clients. In defense of what R24 said. Jews who have probably never been to Israel before in their life and have nothing to do with their politics are being attacked in the street simply because they are Jewish and are seen as part of the problem. THIS is has become the ONLY thing a lot of jewish people are concerned about when it comes to this election - who will protect them. There is no room for nuance. And if you feel threatened in the very streets you walk on, personally, for no other reason than who you are, you are not counting atrocities in Palestinians, you are looking out for your own safety and looking for anyone who is speaking to your problem directly.

I live abroad R55. I already have my absentee ballot to vote for Kamala, and to be a part of this historic election. I am by far a Trump troll. This is in direct response to r24 who said Jewish women would not vote for Trump...

[quote][R60], he's a liability and highly divisive and threatens the ground-swell of support from the youngest voters who have helped energize Kamala's campaign. That's the bottom line.

He’s hugely popular, and not divisive, in Pennsylvania…which is a must-win state. Pandering to the Hamas-sympathizers is not a winning strategy.

R66 you know, I realize that this forum is NYC-centric where the Jewish population is massive, but for the 97% of other Americans who aren't single-mindedly obsessed over Israel: they have problems of their own. Here. In the States. Big, big problems. Healthcare, housing, jobs.

Somehow Israel isn't their #1 or even #10 concern.

It ain't Trump that opened the gates. It was Obama for Crimea and Joe for Ukraine.

I think people should be more concerned about Ukraine. For me, it's the number one issue. If Trump wins, he will flat-out give Ukraine to Putin - (which has been Putin's plan all along, (go back to the GOP platform at the 2016 convention).

The Israel-Gaza issue seems very simple to me. Israel GOOD, Netanyahu BAD. That's why it's so complicated.

Biden has tried to fortify our long-held alliance with Israel, but he has to do it while attempting to finesse a relationship with a leader he knows is corrupt; a leader who is working more toward his own self-interest than that of the country he leads.

So if Trump gives Ukraine to Putin, not only is Ukraine decimated, but I see Putin, Netanyahu, Kim Jung-Il, and all the world's dictators forming an unholy evil alliance and our position as world leader is finished. Trump is paid off and enjoys the riches he receives.

It's all connected. If we can defeat Putin, the rest might be easier.

Did he give away Ukraine or any other inch of territory during his first term? Of course not. Why do you feel the need to make shit up? You can hate Trump, I don't give a shit. You just accuse him of everything Biden has done. You girls are delusional.

Yes, OP. And that's exactly why we're publishing an article "why Kamala's smooth rollout is bad for the Dems" tomorrow.

R58. Thanks for posting…I haven’t thought about that cutie Parkman is a while.

Is he still straight?

Ahh yes, R71, he did try to give away Ukraine.

You recall that he adamantly refused to send them desperately needed support, that a bipartisan majority in both houses had approved, unless Zelensky first falsely claimed Ukraine was investigating the Bidens.

When tense of that extortion was on the verge of leaking, he hurriedly released the aid and claimed the story was fake news.

I was very worried how this would all play out but I'm jazzed to see it paying off so well.

I'm excited and hopeful for November yet I still cried like a baby during Biden's speech the other night. Mark my words, JOE BIDEN WILL BE LIONIZED IN THE HISTORY BOOKS. That man has sacrificed so much all for all of us and our future freedom.

We didn't deserve him.

[quote]JOE BIDEN WILL BE LIONIZED IN THE HISTORY BOOKS.

He certainly deserves to be, R75. However, if Trump wins in addition to the MAGA cult's tendency to want to alter history more to their liking, you know they will do everything they can to try and smear Biden and his record in office. It's not hard to imagine Trump using any method possible to force public schools to teach that the 2020 election was stolen and he actually won, either.

Just another reason to get out and vote.

If anyone was following her over the past 3.5 years it was clear that something changed in mid 2022. There are some good profiles of her from last year that mention this and that go into depth on the first 1.5 years and why they didn't go so well for her. She was brilliant overseas, world leaders raved about her but there was frustration that she couldn't come across like this to the American public. Biden called her 'a work in progress'. She once went to 10 cities and came home to an article asking where she was.

One of the talking heads mentioned that she had been working on getting out of her own head and the Biden camp said (months ago) she has was much improved. I'm sure the dozens of books currently been written will reveal if she/her camp sensed in 2022 that she may have an opportunity to run in 2024. Or if she was so frustrated that she took the iniative to do something, anything. But it's clear that she has worked very hard on her speaking and presentation and it has paid off. She was able to step up immediately and look and sound very Presidential and very impressive. The media could get behind her and air 24/7 Kamala propaganda but if she didn't look and sound the way she does now it wouldn't work.

"But it's clear that she has worked very hard on her speaking and presentation and it has paid off."

Maybe because she's been practicing in the mirror since Inauguration Day. 2021??

(not that there's anything wrong with that!).

The memes and gifs have been priceless. She’s cooler than Obama.

And she IS brat.

[quote]i already have my absentee ballot to vote for Kamala, and to be a part of this historic election.

How do you have that when they haven’t been printed yet?

[quote] Jews who have probably never been to Israel before in their life and have nothing to do with their politics are being attacked in the street simply because they are Jewish and are seen as part of the problem.

How would anyone even know that they’re Jewish?

Troll.

R77, that's great information. That completely explains why she seems so "fresh" now versus 2020. When Tulsi went up against her during that debate, it was obvious Kamala was trying to think her way through it. And she stumbled and looked bad. But Kamala now seems like she's learned her lesson and she's been watching things like a hawk. I have faith in her.

I remember reading somewhere in the last year that she’s gotten some intense media training. It shows!

Defeating the Orange Jaba, WhitePower-adjacent Marxist fuck is the Prime Directive.

Nancy knows…she’s why everyone fell into line.

Let’s make this happen.

Someone raised a question about Shapiro's willingness to be subordinate to a woman. This was another elected official who worked with him at one time. A woman who said he had a real problem with women who were powerful. Hadn't thought of that. But it's not surprising if true. He has known Kamala for 20 years. but it has been a colleague to colleague relationship. Kamala being POTUS does change the equation.

Truthfully I believe that the Harris and Whitmer is a winning combination. Andy is my second choice.

It's gotta be a governor not a Senator. We cannot afford to lose any Senate seats. Not one.

R20 or some other uninformed person gets on many threads and pretends white women are the reason why Dems lose elections. White men are the majority GOP voters. White women are the biggest voting bloc in the Democratic party.

R84

You’re dreaming.

The Rust Belt and Upper Mid-western white guys we Dems are trying to attract still have pretty big misogynistic tendencies…so a solid, butch white man at her side might subdue fears.

Sad to say, but two women, or K with Pete won’t win.

I, too, mourned for Joe and he deserves to be lionized. I cannot praise his handling of the economy post Covid enough.

I was also anxious about Kamala taking over, knowing the amount of misogynistic racist pukes in this country, but she has caught FIRE!

The donations, the multiple crashed zoom calls, the tens of thousands of volunteers stepping forward, and just the enthusiasm she has shown at her appearances and the way crowds have responded to her makes me get all choked up.

Part of me is afraid to hope after what happened with Hillary at the last minute (fuck Comey and the cunts in the NY FBI office!) but I almost can’t help myself. There’s still a tough row to hoe, but I think she may actually pull this off!

I will add that her rise has probably inspired even MORE awesome young people to think about getting into politics, which would be great to keep our bench deep and fresh.

Yeah, R20 please cut the shit. I’ve had enough of the fucking divisiveness. There needs to be a backlash against this shit.

I hear ya R88 but take consolation in these few things off the top of my head:

*Kamala has already been to Wisconsin

*Her campaign is already running ads glorifying her cackling laugh

*Her husband isn't the Epstein-friendly, adulterous baggage Bill Clinton was. Kamala can freely (and accurately) accuse Trump of being a pedophile without having to worry about her own bed partner.

Trump is going to go off script, and start blathering about something and any swing voter realizes his cognition is worse than Biden.

More than a full third of the US is what I call a “strong silence” group that will not divulge, go to a poll, or entangle themselves in situations they have to defend themselves. If you are a professional that serves a wildly diverse community , your income would be cut in half by voicing an opinion. When asked, I say neutral things like-

“Let’s see how all this shakes out”.

I had a situation where I was alone with a. cient and I had NO idea she was such a full on MAGA and was so disappointed. My opinion or stance didn’t matter and wouldn’t have swayed her either.

It’s really important Kamala plugs into this third of voters, with a neo bipartisanship- not trying to convince the hard core MAGAts, but waving Republicans that don’t really like Trump and recognize that he’s dangerous.

Yeah R91 you can't win with just Democrats. The two parties are split in half and only a few states are ever in play and independents are less loyal to one party. There will probably never be a landslide election again. How weird, as I'm sitting here typing, we have had 3 tiny earthquakes in NorCal and one big fire that I can smell.

Lionize Joe? Surely you jest!

I'll never forget when he was on the committee who decided to be sexist so they didn't look like racists.

The most powerful voting bloc in this country is this country's middle class. And there is much more common ground that connects this these people than their cultural difference might suggest. Both parties are guilty of playing this block of voters against each other, because when it comes to our national politics, the only way to reach 51% of the vote is to pit poor blacks against poor whites.

I believe one day soon, a candidate will come along who is able to find the right messaging to break through the years and years and years of conditioning that have brainwashed poor and working class whites, blacks, Asians, and Latinos into thinking they have nothing in common with each other. This group of Americans needs to be convinced that THEY are the most powerful group of voters in this country and THEY should be running the show.

A long time ago, I thought Barack Obama was that candidate. And I still love Barack Obama, but let's be honest, he was never able to fully live up to his own words, let alone our expectations of him.

When I watched Kamala Harris speak in Milwaukee a couple days ago, I started getting that feeling again. I started to feel something like a more cleared-eyed, pragmatic version of the hope that I felt for my country back in 2008. I felt like maybe this woman, against all expectations, could be the person to assemble that mighty and fearsome bloc of working class Americans. That is the only thing that will really bring our country together.

Can Kamala do it?

R80 they are called yarmulkes and they are being ripped off in the streets by protestors. And Jewish women are afraid to wear any kind of Star of David jewelry - at least some of my friends are. The Jewish people being attacked are target by what they wear. R80 stop being so Insensitive.

My initial comment started when I agreed with the commenter who said Black Women would save this election - making note that a lot of white women, MAGA and others, including a contingent of Jewish women, will be clearly voting for Trump. R24 doubted Jewish women would vote Trump and I provided the proof - it’s done.

I am not a troll. And everyone be careful of posters like R80 who continually call people trolls. I am not saying it’s exactly him - but there has been a group of people abusing the F&F button and getting people banned from the site for simply disagreeing with them or standing up for themselves. They repeatedly call someone a troll as I’ve been called twice on here, and boom they are gone.

r95 Taking you at your word, (that you know all these terrified Jews) you might consider how Jews feel about the overwhelming support Trump and JD Vance have from WHITE CHRISTIAN NATIONALISTS. There's no place for Jews in their vision of America. The Christian Nationalists are openly marching as Nazis in Tennessee, for G-D's sake. All the Jews I know, (and I know quite a few) wouldn't vote for Trump for love nor money. By the way, traditionally women don't wear yarmulkes. Just sayin' . There is no doubt that Jews in the vicinity of angry Palestinian protests are vulnerable if they are publicly identifying themselves as Jews, and I feel for them. They bear no responsibility for what the Israeli army is doing in Gaza, and many of them disagree with the way that Israel is conducting the war. As someone said above, Israel is a separate thing from Netanyahu. Moreover, Biden has been very generous with supplying Israel with money and weapons. His administration cannot be accused of favoring Palestinians over Israel.

As a side note…

If you feel like you are being attacked for what you are saying you have to WW your own comments. Unfortunately it’s the only thing you can do to protect yourself from people like r80 and this current campaign of terror and the thought policing of any ideas that don’t align with theirs.

There is trollish behavior, people who just say provocative things and don’t add to the discussion. I’ve done nothing of the sort. But their ilk will dissect and call into question everything you type - I.e. “ How do you have that [ballot] when they haven’t been printed yet?” and then call you a troll and try to get you banned.

R80, I don’t physically have my ballot in hand yet, but I have started the process. That’s what I mean by “I’ve got my ballot…”

[quote] By the way, traditionally women don't wear yarmulkes. Just sayin' .

R96 that is why I said the Star of David jewelry that some of my female clients are afraid of wearing in public.

Anyway Biden has been very generous with aid. But read my screenshot text at R66. Beyond consideration of white nationalist - that screenshot is from a ACTUAL conversation I had with a Jewish client. She even calls Trump nuts BUT goes on to point out what he did for Israel.

It’s not the whole election voting bloc. But Dems can’t just assume, like many have on here, that they’ve got the Jewish vote in the bag. What happened on college campuses around the country against Jewish people, what was allowed to happen and the space given to very anti-Semitic vitriol - way beyond the politics of Israel, under Biden’s administration, won’t soon be forgotten by them. They feel Trump would have never let that happen. It just needs to be addressed in some way.

Russian ships near Cuba

When you put them both together one looks like tomorrow's promise and the other looks like yesterday's bad news

R98 is trying mop up all of his lies.

Troll.

F&F pronto. He needs a time out.

@r98 "They feel Trump would have never let that happen. It just needs to be addressed in some way. "

One more time because you're really slow. Trump would let anything happen including the destruction of the free world as long as it benefited TRUMP

Got it?

r76, you sound like the Republican Senators who would not remove him under the Articles of Impeachment because of Fear and Retribution.

Absolutely the opposite of supporting the Rule of Law. If you operate on the basis that Trump wins, we have already lost.

R86 and someone recently said it was black women that were the ones that elected biden. 12% of Bidens votes came from black women.

% of voters who votes a certain way mean little actual numbers of votes is what counts.

It’s the women though that will save this election for us. If it is saved.

Go women

R77 2022 was also the time Roe was overturned and Kamala began speaking on the issue of abortion and getting positive coverage for it. I think after that she grew in confidence.

R102 What you're not understanding at ALL, is that I am not speaking of my own PERSONAL beliefs. I am communicating the beliefs (misguided or otherwise) of certain members of the Jewish community. What about that do you NOT understand. I really don't get how someone could repeatedly miss that.

I don't agree with them. I am just providing inside information of a certain thought process that is growing in the Jewish American community. And as proof of that I provided a screenshot of said thought process so you all could see I am not just pulling it out of my ass. They are not as hardline as MAGATS are at this point. And because of that, this "dissatisfaction" with the Left needs to be addressed by Kamala in some way, some gesture. She just can't assume she has their vote, lock, stock and barrel.

What do you not understand about any of that?

^ Oh, for Christ's sake... " They feel Trump would have never let that happen. It just needs to be addressed in some way. "

How the fuck do you know how all these Jews think?

r101 was right about you

R107, because they tell me and they post about it constantly on instagram and facebook. I have already explained how I know. The screenshot at R66 is from one of them to me. By the way, that text came on the heels of her not wanting to buy Valentino anymore because it is owned by a Qatar family that supports terrorism in the middle east.

I never said it was every last Jewish person in America. But there is a ground swell that can't be ignored.

Gabby Giffords is Jewish. If Jews wouldn't vote for a ticket with one or two Jewish spouses vs the ticket with a radical Catholic and Satan himself, then they are too brainwashed to be helped.

@r108, Ah, yes, the good ol' anecdotal evidence to make an argument

Jewish voters shifted very slightly towards Trump before Biden dropped out. They are still 2:1 for Democrats and overwhelmingly distributed in states that are very blue.

Yes, r110, relevant evidence is what people use when making an argument. Do you even hear yourself? I don't even know at this point what you are trying to prove with your comments. Do you?

Thank you R111 for the article. It expresses succinctly what I have been trying to say all along.

[quote]In a contest as close as this presidential election is shaping up to be, even such small losses could make the difference on Election Day.

[quote]Biden’s predicament with Jewish voters could emanate from either or both ends of the spectrum of views on Israel. The pro-Israel constituency that traditionally votes for Democrats is frustrated with his administration’s criticism of Israel and a spat over weapons transfers. Left-leaning Jews are disillusioned by his handling of the conflict.

Yet and still, the article ends with American Jews largely still remain committed to Biden and the Democratic party.

So again, as we talk about "I can't believe how smooth and well executed the Kamala rollout has been," some sort of small gesture on her part on this issue would help sure up that particular base.

There's a MAGA necrophiliac that lives a couple of blocks from me. Will Kamala have the right words to bring him back into the fold?

Was the MAGAT necrophiliac ever a Democrat?

R99 God help us.

R107 what is so surprising that a Jew might speak for what some Jews are saying that they know?

It makes more sense than all the Queen's of DL that think they know exactly what all maga think.

R106: be careful with that. Despite my disclaimer that I was explaining Republican points of view, not mine, the rabid sock troll had me banned for a couple of days anyway.

@r115, Oh, sure, he voted for Bill Clinton twice because he thought Hillary... Oh, never mind

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how unpopular Netanyahu is among American JEws.

@r117, "It makes more sense than all the Queen's of DL that think they know exactly what all maga think. "

Da fuck? They tell us 24/7/365 exactly what they think. Ever hear of Fox News?

R68, yep. You got it. 🙏

R118 can we identify this troll? he's done it to me, too. Most annoying.

[quote] Did he give away Ukraine or any other inch of territory during his first term? Of course not. Why do you feel the need to make shit up? You can hate Trump, I don't give a shit. You just accuse him of everything Biden has done. You girls are delusional.

YES HE DID!!!! During his first impeachment, all of the witnesses from diplomatic affairs warned that Trump's extortion of Ukraine undermined our commitment on the world stage. Putin attacked because Trump's corruption signalled that the US relationship with Ukraine was tenuous and conditional.

And he has done it to me too. He is obnoxious.

[quote] I think a lot of people would be surprised at how unpopular Netanyahu is among American JEws.

He's not popular in Israel, either.

Trump and Vance are just plain weird!

—your next VP, Tim Walz

R121 yes but I don’t actually watch FOX very much at all. Hardly ever. Most people I know well don’t watch Fox much at all.

The maga exerts at DL must be watching a whole shitload of fox coverage.

I’m not afraid to go on Fox News and read them shit.

Your next VP, Tim Walz

Kamalmania marches on! Favorability rockets according to Ipsos:

Net favorability in last ten days. net was -11, now it is +1. Among Independents: was -19, now +4.

I hope Kamala (or Biden, before he leaves office) plans to secure our Constitution and the laws put in place. Voting as well. This whole Heritage Foundation takeover is pretty scary for our country, not to mention the Christian right.

R131 why don’t you explain exactly what biden or Harris should do to “secure our Constitution” ? I’d like to know what your well thought out plan is.

And this incredible momentum is happening BEFORE the Dem convention. Just imagine how we’ll come roaring out of that. Those motherfuckers are going to get slaughtered!

@r131, Biden could lock up all the bad guys including SCOTUS who just told him he could. Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass?

R131 Definitely need to do away with Citizens United.

So martial law and mass arrests of opposition is your answer to “save our constitution” ?

Apparently, FOX appears to think it might be Kelly. (Sorry for FOX link.)

Fox is touchy with calling for anything Arizona related.

Separation of church and state.

R123 me too. So that makes three of us in this thread alone. I said something he disagreed with in another thread and he F&F all my comments, lowering my DL Karma, and I was locked out for 24 hours.

He is not just one of those sad people that track your messages in other threads to try and publicly embarrass you. He’s a scary stalker who will F&F all of those messages to get you kicked off of the site. Sociopathic behavior.

“I really took a bullet for democracy”

And I support Mark Kelly

R118 i wonder if it's the same freak who got me banned three times in the last couple months. every single time i had made a post that got misinterpreted as right wing that a handful of posters lost their shit over. i'm easily one of the most hardline leftists posting here lol.

R131 Biden is supposed to announce ethics rules for the Supreme Court this week.

They aren’t his ethics rules, dummy.

What a fucking joke she is. She's better than the anti-christ I guess, though. What a mess.

R15 Correction: White men are a disappointment.

@r136, "So martial law and mass arrests of opposition is your answer to “save our constitution” ? "

Just the law breakers, insurrectionists and traitors, isn't that what we're suppose to do?

r145 but enough about Marjorie Taylor Greene.

@r140, FOUR of us 😠

Twice in one week

Just for your own info Tony Travostino, tonyt@mediapolis.com 212 377 3333 x1 is the REAL Muriel and who you can speak with about the situation. Maybe if enough of us bring it to his attention something can be done

R146 enough about your sex life.

R249 maybe you will be told like I was told that being given a time out ( by a moron) shows that people were interested and reading my posts.

This is the only forum in history of forums that lets it’s worst few posters , on their own, give time outs to some of the most interesting posters without any forum rules being broken..

^ Yeah, I got that line, but that didn't stop me from formally complaining. As I told Tony, "I will not be ignored, Tony" and sent him this

I have wondered what an influx of calls from visa, Mc, Amex demanding refunds would do to the moronic few who able to give a ban to paying members that that have broken no forum rules.

That would send a message

^ If you get a time-out send that message. Again, if enough of us complain it might get someone's attention

CC companies calling and asking for refunds would get peoples attention even if no refund was ever given.

"I can't get over how smooth and well executed the Kamala rollout has been"

You mean calculated , planned and executed in a manner to be most injurious to Trump.

R149 Five. I was put in time out until tonight. And I'm not a Republican or right-winger, I'm to the left of most of the people posting here.

Is the sock puppet troll possibly Terrigarfish?

R157 the worst poster or posters on DL have been given the power to ban the best posters the most interesting posters.

It is what it is

R159 Yes, how true.

^And it works to some extent, unfortunately, because I think twice now before posting my opinion.

Meanwhile, in St. Cloud, MN...

I don't think Biden votes will flip to Trump, but Trump voters will flip to Kamala; and I don't think people who didn't vote last time will be inspired to vote for Trump this time--but I think many are energized to vote for Kamala.

I hope Kamala wins but you folks are kidding yourself. A close race and a Trump Supreme Court.They will storm their way into White House and never leave. So depressing.

We need to get out of our bubble. It is going to be a tough fight. The ads Trump is running are really terrible, filled with lies and designed to instill fear and division. I live in Georgia and he is running them non stop.

We’ll see but I don’t think it will work to demonize Kamala. Trump is the bottom of the barrel and people know this.

[quote] The ads Trump is running are really terrible, filled with lies and designed to instill fear and division. I live in Georgia and he is running them non stop.

I live in Pennsylvania, and over the past couple of days, every YouTube video I watch and every TV commercial break has an ad criticizing Harris for being the "most liberal senator" and "most liberal prosecutor" -- bullshit about crime and immigration. I'll bet I've seen the same ad 100 times. It's everywhere -- even when I watch MSNBC or YouTube videos from liberal sites. Kamala is knocking it out of the park at her rallies, but the Harris team needs to hurry up and put more ads on TV and online.

R168,, I did see one absolutely beautiful TV ad for HArris. It started out with her mother and talked about how she was raised and grew up caring about people, etc. Great ad. I saw it once. Hopefully it will keep airing.

Instagram also has a good ad for her. But yeah, we need much more. I think right now her campaign is trying to capitalize on the energy among younger voters, and also reaching on with TV to older voters.

R61 I am a Jew who's very much involved in the Jewish community and I really just cannot relate to your experience at all. My great grandmother (along with my grandmother who was secretly inutero at the time) were the only surviving members from my mother's side of the family at Bergen Belsen. My great grandmother then went on to marry an Orthodox rabbi after they settled in Brooklyn. My grandmother was an active member of the Independent Socialist League but eventually drifted farther right into the Democratic party and never left. My whole family (including myself) are blue-no-matter-who, Netenyahu-hating Zionists.

My boomer mother, from the time that Trump announced his candidacy in 2015 has had a near-daily panic attack about how he'll be responsible for the next Shoah. All of my aunts and great aunts and her friends feel the same. To them, Trump is the next Hitler, and I can't imagine anything that could ever happen that could dissuade them of that notion and lead them to cast a vote for him. Yes, there is an enormous amount of fear in the Jewish community (especially in urban areas), and what you say about Jews going out of their way to publicly "de-Jew" themselves for their own protection is also true. And yes, there has been concern, especially in the months immediately following the October 7th attack, that Biden would give in to the antisemitism of the far-left to protect his re-election efforts. But there has NEVER been any misguided belief that we would be safer in any way under Trump's leadership.

I don't know what weirdo group of rich, conservative Jewish biddies you're working for, but you should know that their feelings, if true, are NOT legion amongst American Zionist Jews. Apart from the ultra-Orthodox fundies, Jews always have been and always will be Democrats because liberalism's values are inseparable from modern Judaism.

What you're saying is akin to saying that just because there are a few ignorant black outliers who became Trump fans that this means there is now a "groundswell of support" for Trump in black communities. It's a simple and specious conclusion to draw, and it's just patently false.

Trumps support among black men, at least before Biden dropped out, was quite high. So much higher than in Trumps previous runs.

[quote]t's a simple and specious conclusion to draw, and it's just patently false.

How many pre-law books did you buy before you decided to drop out r170? They are heavy to carry...

Higher than... maybe, but high? Nope.

NYT Siena Poll might not have your insight but 30% of black respondents said in a professional poll they would vote for Trump,

What % would you be comfortable with if you were a dem ?

R173

R170, I think you are referring to me at R60, not R61...

As you clearly state you. "just cannot relate to [MY] experience at all" and then proceed to explain your experience. So your experience becomes the Truth and mine becomes patently false? And Simple? And Specious? You could have just stuck to "This is MY experience," and left it at that.

My conservative clients are from the second largest Jewish population in the world - NYC and it's environs. They aren't biddies, they are women in their 30s and 40s who were horrified by the events of Oct 7th and the less than adequate response of support for Jewish people as a whole in the United States. I am NOT even talking about support for Israel or its politics. They were horrified at what was allowed to happen to Jews on college campuses and the attacks in major cities for weeks on end here at home. You're circle may see Trump as the next Hitler, but TO THEM - the language used here in the United States against Jews following Oct 7. was as close to the language Hitler used against Jews that they have ever seen in their lifetimes, under a Biden administration.

It was a misstep in my opinion and allowed to fester and take root on the Far Left way too long. Now Kamala has a chance to nip it in the bud. That's all.

@r171, You're full of shit

Trump-Vance ticket is supported by The American Drag Queens Association

Right now I am praying that it won't be Josh Shapiro. I saw Whitmer on MSNBC and she was quite emphatic about not being in the mix. Fine. But if she chooses someone older, please let it be Walz, not Kelly. And Beshear rather than Shapiro.

I'm concerned because The Campaign announced that she would be doing a Rally in Philadelphia PA next Tuesday with her running mate. How can she reasonably go to PA and not be with Shapiro. Is there any other politician in PA who is eligible? Shapiro is adynamic speaker. He can deliver PA without being on the ticket. But he cannot deliver Michigan, Georgia, Ohio, or Wisconsin.He cannot. To the contrary he will alienate the younger voters who are on board with her.

R175 Speaking for myself (an actual Jew), and "my circle" also actual Jews in NYC, NJ, Chicago, and LA--it goes without saying (except that I actually did) that the antisemitic rhetoric from the far-left has been disturbing and sobering and downright terror-inducing. But it makes no sense to equate it with the Biden administration. Firstly, the far-left hates Biden and his administration's stance on Israel and is quite vocal about it. They call him "Genocide Joe". I have never heard Biden say or do a single thing that would make me think he doesn't have Jews' backs, either here or in the ME. I frequent r/Judaism and r/Jewish and I've not seen them blame the actions of the crazies on the far-left on the Biden administration either. One has nothing to do with the other. Antisemitism has always morphed and existed on both the far right and far left. Intelligent Jews know that this will always be the case, and that Biden had nothing to do with nurturing or reinforcing it.

Your posts have the same energy as the "I've been reading some black blogs and trust me, there is WAY more support for Trump then you'd think" troll.

"Trump suggests Harris would struggle with world leaders based on her appearance / “I don’t want to say as to why,” Trump said. A campaign spokeswoman denied he was talking about her race or gender."

Way to solidify that women vote, asshole.

R175, methinks your bias is showing.

To the rest of you, I too was put on time out for several days, just allowed to post in last 24 hours. I emailed DL and was told it was for my karma. I wouldn’t recommend you don’t sign your posts by name, we will all need to be more stealth.

I’m not mad at DL, they can’t possibly police each time-out, so this is as good as it gets for now. If we were smart, we would have a strategy to put their asses on time out too!

I don't believe women, in the aggregate polls as reported in the media, or individually, when they say they will vote for Kamala Harris.

I just don't.

They gave a "fuck you' to Hillary in the voting booth in 2016. They did the same in 2020 to Biden, although, thank goodness he made up for it and won, fair and square.

So much is made of Trump and Vance "turning off" woman.

Well then, this time, follow through and vote for Kamala.

I'll wait, hope and then see what the post-election numbers are.

And before anybody comes for me, I am a woman. I know how we operate.

Seems to me Hillary and Kamala are two wildly different candidates, essentially up against two different Trumps, in that in 2016 he won on a technicality and nobody believed it would really become what it did. In 2024 everybody knows it can get worse and will. Not arguing landslide but I think in the end he is enough to push almost anybody else over the finish line.

I can’t get over how smooth and soft the skin on my ass is

@r181, Women still had the right to chose in 2016 and 2020. Things have changed

Agreed, R184. The times are very different - much has happened since 2016 and 2020.

[quote] And before anybody comes for me, I am a woman. I know how we operate.

In 2008, Chrissie Hynde expressed her dejection about Obama's chances. She insisted he could not win Ohio and said "I know my people." Obama won Ohio in 2008. Sometimes people don't behave like we've always known them to behave. What happened to HRC was devastating but I think it could be different this time.

HRC won the popular vote - of course, losing the electoral college vote cost her the Presidency. But based on what Dump's team tried to pull in 2020, I am not so sure they didn't succeed in 2016 stealing the electoral college. It is what it is, and I survived (barely) 4 years of Donald Dump, but I am never going to be fully satisfied that HRC lost either knowing what they tried to pull in 2020.

If Harris Picks Shapiro, Netanyahu is fucked.

R187 I agree but go a step further. I am convinced they stole 2016. By 77,744 votes in t hree states.

R179, there are already have been and continue to be some very strong women on the international stage. So by default, I am sure he is talking about her race. Asshole.

R178 and R180, I really don't have a dog in this particular race - I am neither Jewish nor a woman. I am just stubborn as fuck and will argue a point, to a fault. I am not biased either against Biden. I want so much for Kamala to win. So much so that I was concerned by what I was seeing from Jewish women over different platforms AND what was being sent to me directly by my clients.

PLEASE READ the link at R66. For some reason the picture doesn't show up in thread for me. That is a screencap from one of my clients as we were talking about the state of affairs for Jewish people in America. That is the mentality I am referring to. And the mentality I am hoping Kamala can curb. It may be such a small minority of women, it doesn't even matter. But again I was arguing against R24's point that "Jewish women would never vote for Trump." And that is just simply not the case.

Maybe after you read it you can allay my fears that that sort of thinking is becoming more common place. We need as many of the usual suspects in the Democratic party to step forward and vote!

[quote]I can’t get over how smooth and soft the skin on my ass is

R183, it might have been in 1984, but this is 2024. Stop lying.

You need to come over and see for yourself. It’s soft and smooth…..

I posted this in another thread but I think this is the best place for it:

You know, OP, I think that what has happened with Kamala signals a shift in how we conduct campaigns. We have the technology now to wage a full blown campaign in a matter of weeks, not months or years. The "permanent campaign" and all the high dollar fundraising that goes on two years out from election day, may go the way of the dinosaurs. I believe an effective national Presidential campaign can be assembled and waged in about 6-8 months time. I'm considering the field operations, office leases and local operations into it. So in answer to your original question, this is not hype, this is a fucking presidential campaign with momentum and at least one reason for that is that it is fresh, and moving fast. The others were plodding along, stale, traditional, etc. This combines traditional with 21st ce

OP, the real & legitimate fear of Trump 2.0 has a sure way of concentrating the mind.