Bernie Sanders wants an influential role in the Harris Campaign

He's gonna' make trouble again, isn't he? 🤨

It sounds like he wants to R1, but I think he's also just posturing.

Bernie is pragmatic, and he knows what's at stake.

Donald Trump must not be allowed to win.

That said, I think what he's saying here is that he can help to deliver some votes to her. And if she wants his help, then he wants a seat at the table, and he wants input on her policy making decisions.

I think it's not asking too much.

He's right in that she needs working class voters, and he can help to deliver some of them.

Fuck him!

How about throwing the progressives a fucking bone!!!!

How much will that cost the always-need-to-be-right Centrists?

He's not wrong that the Democrats need to focus on some kitchen table economic issues this year to pull away some votes from Trump.

Sanders is also running for another Senate term this year.

Bernie has an issue with women. He was horrible to Hillary, very good towards Biden, and how is playing hardball with Kamala.

Is he even relevant anymore?

lollerskates!

R7, yes, as long as he's still in the Senate. As mentioned above, he is running for another Senate term this year.

R7, his Bernie Bros are about equally as relevant as the Hillary voters who refuse to let 2016 ever go!

R9 Vermont likes Sanders because he is against gun control and Vermont has a huge hunting community. If it wasn't for that he would've been gone a long time ago

This guy again? An ineffectual Senator during decades in the Senate. He only exists as a spoiler.

I want Bernie Sanders to die.

R6 ??????? He stated the same thing during Biden’s campaign. As it pertains to Hillary, not that I blame him but the democrat elites stole from the primary from him. In repost they and myself were both wrong. I didn’t think the country would elect a Jew. In hindsight I think he would have beat Donald Trump.

Yeah, Yah, the DNC favored an actual Democrat over a carpetbagger who joins the party when he wants to run for President, then leaves again when he doesn't get the nom. Poor fucking Bernie. You want to influence the party platform? Be a member of the fucking party.

R15 They stole the primary. It’s been acknowledged. And you can say sarcastic shit all day long. At the end of the day they FAILED because Hillary Rodheim Clinton did not become the next president of the United States.

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Bernie Sanders eats shit

Hillary supported Kamala before she supported Joe.

Not a Bernie fan at all but I will say he is more practical than his supporters are. Not sure if that means much, but still.

R18 She sure did. I will say this Hillary actually practices what she preaches when it comes to women supporting other women.

[quote] You want to influence the party platform? Be a member of the fucking party.

He votes with the Democratic party in Congress, especially when it counts.

So don't sell Bernie short.

He truly is an "Independent."

R21 = Susan Sarandon

Haven't you seen all the Dem great and good, like Mayor Pete, laud Biden for being one of the most consequential Presidents in recent history? To the extent that that is even somewhat true, it's because Biden moved left and got some real accomplishments on the board on issues he and Sanders worked together on, like prescription drug prices and renewable energy. A strong progressive wing of the Democrats means better governance.

So really Harris ought to be begging him to join her team.

STFU Colonel Sanders!

I’m so sick of that tiresome old coot. Just go away, gramps.

[quote] she's going to address the reality that 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck."

A large percentage of those people living paycheck to paycheck are just bad with money and impulse control, they see something they want and just buy it, even though they can't afford it. There really is nothing you can do about that unless we are going to force people into re-education camps to learn how to handle their money. I am not talking about people making minimum wage but people who make a decent living but are still living paycheck to paycheck.

^^^^^^

Spoken like a true corporatist.

Indifferent and unsympathetic to the plight of the working American.

Of course you would blame it on the middle class, and not their corporate overlords.

Fucking cunt R26.

So the man who brought us Donald Trump wants a reward for it

R14 and the primary wasn’t rigged for Biden in 2020?

He's starting the revolution!

Ali Velshi interview with Bernie, talking about Kamala Harris.

VP Harris is more progressive than Bernie and he hates her for it.

R32 How? Please elaborate.

R33, GovTrack ranked Harris as the most liberal senator in 2019, and then ranked her second in 2020, after Sanders. It’s a close competition between the two.

We’re going to do it again, bitches!!!

[quote]R1/Bronzie: He's gonna' make trouble again, isn't he? 🤨

He didn't make trouble before. When he lost the 2016 primary, Russian troll brigades targeted Sanders followers with an online disinformation campaign urging them either to vote for him anyway or not to vote at all. The vast majority of them did not fall for it, and Sanders himself endorsed Hillary.

Bernie did the same thing a few weeks ago with Biden when it wasn't certain whether Biden would leave the race or stay in. Bernie told Biden, "If you want me to support you, you need to adopt some of my policy ideas." And Biden did.

[quote] In a closed-door meeting with Bruce Reed and Anita Dunn, two of Biden’s closest aides, Sanders argued that the president should revive his candidacy by outlining a plan for his first 100 days that would speak to the frustrations of working-class voters — in part by emphasizing some of the Vermont senator’s favorite policies, according to two people briefed on the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations.

[quote] Two days later at a rally in Michigan, Biden endorsed two ideas Sanders pitched at that meeting — expanding Social Security benefits and eliminating medical debt — as goals for “the first 100 days of my second term.” Sanders immediately tweeted his applause.

Good. Bernie's economic and pro worker platform is the most popular political platform in the country - with major bipartisan appeal. To voters. Of course donors, the media, and brainwashed DL neolibs think he's satan. HILLARY AND WASSERMEN SCHULZ BROUGHT US TRUMP. Bernie would have demolished him in a fucking landslide.

Bernie brought us 'rump.

Bernie is a party pooper and a misogynist. He can pipe down.

I'll be glad when Sanders has passed.

Oh Bernie, I am sure that all the positions for Bootlicking Turncoat, Corporate Ass-Kissing Hypocrite and Self-Serving Prestidigitator have already been taken. Maybe now that what's left of Genocide Joe is being forced to retire, you can take over the Pathological Liar Old Bastard position.

R41 Sanders(on) 🤢

r36 He helped doom Hillary by damning her with faint praise. His followers were floundering, their support and votes could have and should have been bolder and earlier. They also applied the purity test and found her wanting, because they didn't keep their eye on the prize. I will never let the Bernie Bros off the hook.

He could help bring certain demographic into the fold. Recent French elections provide a very good lesson in how to fight the far right. Once the fascist menace has been removed, sort out your ideological differences which are still smaller than what you'd have to deal with otherwise.

Bernie did not support Hillary. He continued to campaign for himself after she had become the Democratic nominee.

[Quote] He didn't make trouble before. When he lost the 2016 primary, Russian troll brigades targeted Sanders followers with an online disinformation campaign urging them either to vote for him anyway or not to vote at all. The vast majority of them did not fall for it, and Sanders himself endorsed Hillary.

That’s not when the damage was done in 2016. It was before, during the primaries. Bernie didn’t throw his hat in the ring to get the nomination, at least not initially. He wanted to run to flush out issues and perhaps get some more progressive policy goals in the Democratic platform. I was fine with that.

The problem was, he got carried away with some early successes, and so he went from an issues candidate to a full-blooded challenger/opponent of Hillary. When that happened he attacked her and set his supporters against her as well. This process resulted in them HATING Hillary, and so many of them protest-voted in the GE.

Too many. It resulted in Trump’s upset victory, by a total of 70,000 votes in the swing states. Many many more Bernie supporters voted for Stein in those swing states than 70,000.

Bernie Sanders needs to be put out to pasture. In order to win, Harris needs to appeal to independent voters in swing states. To do that she needs centrist policies that address real concerns like inflation. Appeasing the extreme left will lose the election for her.

Every time I listen to Bernie talk, I'm reminded of how rational and sane he is.

Bernie really is the voice of reason, but he's constantly shouted down by the two corporatist parties.

I think he's too old to be President, but he should be some kind of Senior Advisor to all Presidents, to keep them honest.

[quote]R44/Bronzie: He helped doom Hillary by damning her with faint praise.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean; it sounds like a subjective assessment. He certainly didn't attack her. And he specifically instructed his followers to vote for her. 𝐻𝑒 voted for her. Whatever 'damned' her, it didn't come from him. She faced dozens of other forms of attack which did not come from him.

[quote]R44: His followers were floundering, their support and votes could have and should have been bolder and earlier. They also applied the purity test and found her wanting, because they didn't keep their eye on the prize.

They were as 'bold' and as 'early' as has reasonably been from followers of another primary candidate, with somewhere between 85 to 90 percent of them casting their votes for Hillary.

[quote]I will never let the Bernie Bros off the hook.

Fine, as long as you understand the difference between a live Bernie primary supporter on the ground who switched to Hillary when it came to the pinch, and online members of Russian troll brigades flooding social media with messaging like "Bernie or Bust!" all the way up to the general election. But it doesn't sound to me like you care about the distinction; you're sound like you're having too much fun blaming Bernie Sanders, while disregarding the all the other forms of social media disinformation in 2016 such as Pizzagate, Haiti funding, adrenochrome, hotel assignations, supposed assassinations, as well as Jill Stein who, along with Michael Flynn, had actually met with Putin - and of course, the Comey Letter ten days before the election, which most agree had the most deleterious effect on Clinton's chances, and lost her the election.

[quote]R46: Bernie did not support Hillary. He continued to campaign for himself after she had become the Democratic nominee.

That is patently untrue.

r50 I never said nor implied Bernie was THE cause of her defeat, but he was one of many who could've done more. I am not gloating, just licking my wounds because so many people either didn't realize or dismissed the importance of making sure DJT never got into the White House. All those you listed added up to propel the juggernaut that eventually took her down, not forgetting the incredible blunders her own campaign organization made, and the popular vote/electoral college notwithstanding. A little drip here, a larger drip there and pretty soon the dam burst.

Why oh why CAN'T/WON'T the Dems rally round a candidate like the Pubbies do? They ARE seemingly learning from their mistakes by hoisting KH on their shoulders, as well they should. Things should really kick up into high gear once her VP is named.

Everything, EVERYTHING, is at stake. There's no way to counter the 50 year long game the Republicans have so successfully played( we do NOT have the luxury of time anymore) EXCEPT it all has to change, and OVERWHELMINGLY so, in just ONE election cycle. Knock the Republicans into a cocked hat, and make sure they stay there.

Keep the ball rolling as was said about a certain presidential candidate(Benjamin Harrison) approx. 135 years ago.

[quote]R52: but he was one of many who could've done more.

I really don't see how.

But with the rest, I agree wholeheartedly.

Thank you for the response.

[quote]”He hurt me, there’s no doubt about it.”

Hillary has been clear that she partially blames Sanders for her loss.

[quote]R54: Hillary has been clear that she partially blames Sanders for her loss.

Oh well. Can't help that.

She’s not wrong here.

[quote]"He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it," Clinton says…

[quote]There's nothing the far right hates as much as progressives, especially Bernie Sanders.

So Hillary Clinton is now “the far right”?? It’s pretty clear she hates him, as do many other Democrats.

[quote]R58: So Hillary Clinton is now “the far right”?? It’s pretty clear she hates him, as do many other Democrats.

No, babe. 𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒.

And you're pretending to speak, not only for Hillary, but for Democrats in general, hard at work trying to sell anti-Bernie bullshit. You're grossly overstating Hillary's opinion on the matter.

You know Bernie's not running for president, right? Lobbying for working people is the not the threat you seem to think it is. It's a positive thing. So you can stop pissing your pants.

Fuck that Lying old commie asshole. You do not need him, fucking asshole.

He helped dtrump win, along with the Russians& dickhead Comey

▲ R60, Pristine far right sock. No history to track.

R61, you need to allow people to have differing opinions. Not everyone here who dislikes Bernie is some far-right troll.

My issue is that he's running for another six-year term. He's 81 for goodness' sake. Pelosi is 84. Clyburn jumped in with his opinion on Biden and he's frickin' 84-years-old. Biden is too old to go another four years, yet these relics are still in power with no end in sight. Now Bernie is trying for a spot at the table? Enough with these egotistical assholes who refuse to let go of power. We need term limits AND age limits. NOW.

[quote]And you're pretending to speak, not only for Hillary, but for Democrats in general, hard at work trying to sell anti-Bernie bullshit.

Nobody is selling “anti-Bernie bullshit.” Bernie is irrelevant. He’s older than dirt, and he’s a do-nothing Senator who has accomplished absolutely nothing during his 75 years in Congress. The only thing he can take credit for is helping Trump get elected in 2016.

[quote] Bernie is irrelevant. He’s older than dirt, and he’s a do-nothing Senator who has accomplished absolutely nothing during his 75 years in Congress.

Lol.

Has he been in Congress THAT LONG?

R51, that was very late in the game

According to Romney, the two biggest assholes in congress are Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders. But he said this years ago so this "ranking" may be different now.

[quote]Pelosi is 84. Clyburn jumped in with his opinion on Biden and he's frickin' 84-years-old. Biden is too old to go another four years, yet these relics are still in power with no end in sight.

I agree. But is anyone else stepping up? Have any Democrats tried to primary in California this year, or Clyburn in South Carolina? They’re going to keep running every two years until they’re dead, or until someone tries to stop them.

Sit down and shut up, old man.

I kinda doubt Kamala Harris needs advice and mentorship from such a loser.

Fuck Bernie Sanders and fuck all the assholes who voted for him in 2016. A big reason why we're in the fucking mess we're in right now is because of them. Hillary would be at the end of her second term right now.

God, I hate them all.

No love for Bernie on DL.

[quote] Recent French elections provide a very good lesson in how to fight the far right. Once the fascist menace has been removed,

By American standards, the "far right" in France have more in common with centrist Democrats than Republicans.

R71, that's fucking bullshit, shut the fuck up.

No it isn't. There is really no equivalent to the American Republican Party in Western Europe. It would be considered an extreme fringe party. Truth.

Dear R61, THANK YOU for calling me a "Pristine far right sock" I've never been called that before, so sweet!!

I forgot to sign out under "secret agent code"...Phillywhore. I was using my cell phone, hate typing on it.

r74 pay no attention to Poisoned Dragon. He's a paranoid lunatic who stalks everybody on DL and thinks we all have multiple sock accounts. He's a very strange bird.

Oh please. The true progressives (not the wealthy "limousine liberals" ala Sarandon) don't want shit to do with him anymore, after he backed Biden 100%. They know he's a clown and a sellout.

Hillary may have lost the election, but she won in the end. History will be kind to her. Bernie will be at most, a tiny footnote.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sarandon endorses Harris, simply for the cool factor of endorsing "the black woman". She's as deep as a child's wading pool. She supported Biden, even though Biden supported the same Iraq War that she venerated Clinton over. She's the upper class soccer mom who's down with what "the kids" are doing.

Hillary has publicly stated that she fucking hates him.

I don't pay attention to any insults on here, but I've never been called a far-right sock.

Everyone who knows me knows my politics are "centrist to liberal Democratic" except my belief in the Death penalty. If the DNA matches, kill them all.

[quote]...not that I blame him but the democrat elites stole from the primary from him.

You sir are a fucking tard.

Listen, I supported Sanders in the 2016 because I despise the Clintons. But old man Sanders needs to sit down and shut up now. Mansplaining to Harris what she has to do to get his blessing is beyond obnoxious.

Oh and R71 is an idiot given that the far right in France at the moment are re-branded Nazis.

r80 they're hardly Nazis.

OK, they are direct political descendants of Vichy collaborators. Happy now?

^^idiot

Simmer down, Marine @R83.

R63 I didn’t realize back in the day one could become a senator at 8

r85 it's a fucking joke. Jesus.

And I want a million dollars.

The Bernie hate here is insane.

Wow, a whole thread full of spiteful attacks on Bernie for not campaigning for Hillary even harder and louder and so apparently 'handing the White House to Trump'. But not one single person has yet mentioned Hillary's planet-sized entitlement which saw her go weeks without a single event scheduled in the Rust Belt? Weren't these guys meant to provide the competent government, not the virtual signalling? Weren't the grown-ups meant to be back in the room by now?

Centrists: it's never their fault.

BTW just seen this. Apparently HRC's campaign didn't want to send her to Michigan, for fear that she might LOSE ground if she held an event there. Such a touching faith they had in her!

R29 wrong year my friend. We were talking about 2016. Any democrat who blames Sanders for Hillary’s lost is mentally ill. She and her pals of the Democratic elite stole the primary and then lost election. Perhaps if the person the base wanted which was Sanders would have had a fair shot Sanders would be wrapping up his final year as president and endorsing Senator Kamala Harris.

I hold no gripes toward Hill. At the time I was glad they stole the primary. I didn’t think a socialist Jew could win the general election. Next time you steal a primary while also propping up a deranged megalomaniac because America would never actually vote for him over your household name, you need to motherfucking win.

R90 I heard that Hill’s campaign was using some new innovative methodology of Facebook algorithms and other social media presences which indicated she was safe. Only somehow it couldn’t account for underperformance in swing states. Anyone knows what I am talking about. Something I remember reading.

R72 That is absolutely true.

[quote] I heard that Hill’s campaign was using some new innovative methodology of Facebook algorithms and other social media presences which indicated she was safe.

You're correct. Robby Mook and the rest of Clinton's campaign used an algorithm called Ada to guide nearly all their decisions. It was shrouded in secrecy but hailed as ground-breaking, cutting-edge technology. They had planned to make it publicly available after the election so that Clinton's remarkable success could be replicated in future Democratic campaigns.

From the Washington Post article at the link:

[quote] Inside Hillary Clinton's campaign, she was known as Ada. Like the candidate herself, she had a penchant for secrecy and a private server. As blame gets parceled out Wednesday for the Democrat's stunning loss to Republican President-elect Donald Trump, Ada is likely to get a lot of second-guessing.

[quote] Ada is a complex computer algorithm that the campaign was prepared to publicly unveil after the election as its invisible guiding hand. Named for a female 19th-century mathematician — Ada, Countess of Lovelace — the algorithm was said to play a role in virtually every strategic decision Clinton aides made, including where and when to deploy the candidate and her battalion of surrogates and where to air television ads — as well as when it was safe to stay dark.

[quote] The campaign's deployment of other resources — including county-level campaign offices and the staging of high-profile concerts with stars like Jay Z and Beyoncé — was largely dependent on Ada's work, as well.

[quote] While the Clinton campaign's reliance on analytics became well known, the particulars of Ada's work were kept under tight wraps, according to aides. The algorithm operated on a separate computer server than the rest of the Clinton operation as a security precaution, and only a few senior aides were able to access it.

[quote] According to aides, a raft of polling numbers, public and private, were fed into the algorithm, as well as ground-level voter data meticulously collected by the campaign. Once early voting began, those numbers were factored in, too.

Che Sarandon’s hat 🎩 trick : Bush-Trump-Trump

[quote] The Bernie hate here is insane.

Unless someone knows him personally or is a member of his family, why would anyone care if that’s so? I don’t hate Bernie, but it doesn’t bother me if others do or want to vent about it.

Love the morons who think Bernie actually could have been elected.

R89, Bernie wasn't the sole reason for Hillary's lose but he was absolutely a factor in it. He played along with that whole "DNC rigged the primary" BS.

Is Robbie Mook still in politics? He was the worst campaign manager ever.

He’s a fucking back stabbing cunt.

Him and misogynistic bros can fuck all the way off. I hate all of them.

[quote]But not one single person has yet mentioned Hillary's planet-sized entitlement which saw her go weeks without a single event scheduled in the Rust Belt?

It's been well-documented here that her campaign was inept and poorly managed. That being said, Bernie Sanders made things worse and contributed further to her loss.