Prince Harry Shares Why He Won't Bring Meghan Markle Back to the U.K.: 'It's Still Dangerous'

Well Henry, that's very touching. I'm all verklempt.

It's a good thing that you inherited millions of dollars along with selling that awful book and reality show. How much did ITV pay you to do this interview? Never mind, Great Granny has left you even more millions for your 40th so you can afford to pay for all the security you'd like.

As a non-working royal, you are not entitled to IPP status nor to protection paid for by the Crown. Pay it yourself and shut the hell up.

Oh Lord...spare us from The Spare and his delusional rantings.

[quote] As a non-working royal, you are not entitled to IPP status nor to protection paid for by the Crown. Pay it yourself and shut the hell up.

Clearly, you can't read.

He offered to pay for their protection himself, but they won't give him and his family the level of protection he is looking for.

As the son of the monarch and the brother of the future King, he deserves that protection.

And he IS willing to pay for it himself. The government just has to agree to it.

Doomed any where they land.

R3 The government has already said the police can't be hired. It doesn't work like that.

He is completely delusional.

Enough of the self-pitying whinging, you royal bore.

[quote] The government has already said the police can't be hired. It doesn't work like that.

I'm just trying to get a feel for where Harry's head is at, and I'm thinking that he is trying to argue that he is a son of the reigning King and brother of a future King, and that warrants government protection.

After all, I'm sure that his aunts and uncles get that level of protection, as siblings of the King.

Now one might argue that a "non working Royal" doesn't get protection, but the fact that Prince Andrew is receiving government protection, shoots that theory down.

So which is it? Do immediate family members of the reigning monarch get protection or not? And if not, then why does Andrew get that higher level of government protection, but Harry does not?

It's easy to see why he feels discriminated against.

The unwillingness of the UK government to provide him protection, seems to be more PERSONAL than professional.

And at the very least, it's inconsistent.

So get out of here with the "rules," because clearly the rules are "bent" whenever the monarchy sees fit.

This is just another Fuck You to Harry by Charles and William, for no other reason than just being petty.

Your information is a little out of date, r7. Andrew kept his police protection after he stopped "working" because the Queen wanted him to have police protection and paid for it out of her own pocket. Charles put a stop to that when he took over. If the monarch hasn't requested it and the intelligence/police agencies haven't determined that Harry's life is in danger, why should he have government bodyguards?

I'm fairly neutral on the subject of Harry and his wife but I think the desire for police protection is more about feeling special than anything else. Without the police car escorting him around London, he's just a rich man from a famous family. He's already proven that he has the means to hire professional bodyguards, bodyguards who have done a pretty good job of keeping him safe in California.

Seriously, R7 - why do you care?

If he wants protection he can pay for private protection. He gets to feel special - problem solved.

I wonder why you never ever hear celebs talk about potential security risks in interviews.

Maybe because they have been advised by their team to avoid anything that migth draw attention to potential risks ore give some lunatic any iideas?

Smart move, ginger!

I can't stand the two Harkles and posting shit about them here is my worst sin.

But to actually hurt/attack them? Fuck off. They're just famous Karens who deserve to be mocked and criticised. They're more likely to stage another stunt or ten like that laughable "NY car chase" than to actually be harmed by some ardent BRF fan. What would taking them out achieve? Why would anyone bother? They're just assholes who are easy to bitch about.

Being a nasty bitch who’s hated across the world has nothing to do with it.

I think things will only get worse after his father dies and his hateful brother takes over.

But they live in a country where guns are easily accessible?

Also, why did she roll down her window and wave for the paps while sporting her rictus grin at the Jubilee if it's so dangerous?

These softball interviews halfwit Harry and his harridan arrange with mandatory, prearranged questions are a joke. Just a way for him to continuing his bellyaching and disparaging his family under the guise of a legitimate interview.

Venomous Harry is a [bold] Dicktim[/bold]. A dick pretending to be a victim.

[quote] 'It's Still Dangerous'

To the U.K.

You can’t hire the police because the police have to interface with Harry and his security who, for reasons too obvious to bear repeating, can’t be trusted with sensitive information (disclosure of which could imperil their sources) given the Harkle’s repeated stunt behavior.

This is not difficult to understand unless you’re Harry.

There's also the matter of Harry wanting to rent a government resource that he doesn't need just because he has the money. I think that's the main sticking point, r16.

Everyone is chock sick full of the poor little prince narrative. Grow up little boy hawry.....

[quote] I think things will only get worse after his father dies and his hateful brother takes over.

Exactly.

William the Terrible will have his reign of terror.

Here's hoping the monarchy will fall before that happens.

Harry and Meghan are afraid that if she leaves the U.S., we won't let her back in.

I guess I read about them because they are ridiculously entertaining. Like reading about spoiled pampered people from the gilded age. But this has the added entertainment of them being so concerned about the little people. Rich stupid people are comfort food. A guilty pleasure.

I read a comment on another site about something Harry said or did recently that once again he related to Diana. The commenters were talking about his arrested development and obvious obsession with his dead mother. Someone said, "I read his book. Every page had the name 'Mummy' on it until page 165, when it was replaced by 'Meghan.'"

R19, exactly what “terrifying” things is William going to do? Write angry letters to the editor? The UK is a constitutional monarchy. Presumably he’ll continue to ice out Harry, but that’s not terrifying, it’s just common sense.

[quote] The unwillingness of the UK government to provide him protection, seems to be more PERSONAL than professional. And at the very least, it's inconsistent.

It is perfectly consistent. If you are a working Royal, you get police protection, but (with the exception of the monarch and the heir to the throne) even working royals get protection only when carrying out public duties.this applies to the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh and Princess Anne, who was actually the victim of a gun-wielding attempted kidnapper, yet she is not constantly whingeing like her nephew.

Every non-working member of the Royal Family, like other VIPs in the UK, are given protection as and when the members of the RAVEC committee deem that there s a credible threat against them.

Harry’s problem is that he does mot yet understand that he has downgraded himself. He is now a minor royal, and headed down the ladder as William’s children grow and eclipse him. He wants to hire the same protection as his father and brother to make himself feel important. But Royal Protection Officers cannot be hired, just as the US Secret Seevice cannot be hired.

Harry moans on about security and keep his children away from the UK because it make shim feel importamt, and he is too dim to realise that no-one in the UK is missing him.

I would not say William is hateful but hatefilled. And who wouldn't be in his position with such a brother he once loved so much?

He can make his own decisions about his family’s safety, but how is he safer in the US where guns outnumber people?

Most Brits when they learn she's never returning - "Whew, we dodged that bullet!"

She's been back to England a couple times. Why is she in danger now?

They can’t be too careful - remember that terrifying car chase through Manhattan?

[quote]She's been back to England a couple times. Why is she in danger now?

Because she’s hated the world over due to being an enormous asshole.

[quote] As the son of the monarch and the brother of the future King, he deserves that protection.

Giving in to the demands of his manipulative, scheming wife, Harry chose to leave being a working royal. He deserves no protection and should not be given special consideration to be allowed to pay for it himself. Actions have consequences. This is what the moron still can’t understand.

They're afraid, alright.

Afraid of indifference to their presence in the UK.

That's worse than out right hatred. And you have to care to hate.

Good, then live in fear in the USA, we don't care.

So Harry is getting an enormous inheritance at the age of 40. It will be interesting to see how long it will take for her to divorce his dim bulb ass which she is probably sick of already. But in CA if you inherit money is that split as community property in a divorce?

[quote]If he wants protection he can pay for private protection. He gets to feel special - problem solved.

There's no caché in paying for your own security; and that's what its really all about with those two twerps.

Ah, the UK.

How things would have been different for Harry, if only he had married a white woman.

He would have been accepted with open arms by the British, Kate and his white wife would have been besties, with William they would have been the "Fab Four," and Harry would still be living a lavish life in the UK, surrounded by his loving family.

Unfortunately, he chose to marry a black woman for love, and that just wouldn't do in that horrid country.

And so here we are.

She’s Black? I had no idea!

Clearly, R3, it is you who can’t read.

Harry is perfectly entitled to hire his own private security - what he can’t do is pay for protection by the British police.

They’re not for hire.

[quote] And so here we are.

Nope. There you are.

I'm a woman of color myself. I can't stand her.

[quote] I'm a woman of color myself. I can't stand her.

Sure, Jan.

Well, "Jan" here, r40.

I am not a White Woman Hater of Meghan Markle.

I'm a minority woman who lives in an impoverished region.

Markle is a phony.

Yeah—dangerous for the UK.

Meghan has Harry so paranoid it's ridiculous. She plays him like a fiddle, he is so weak minded.

Remember Meghan being shown mouthing "Oh Fuck" during her carriage ride after her wedding. Just proving how unsuitable she was to take on the responsibilities of a working Royal of the UK. She's trash.

[quote]She’s Black? I had no idea!

She spray tans herself.

She's afraid of being booed

Harry, STFU.

You too, Markle.

[quote] He would have been accepted with open arms by the British, Kate and his white wife would have been besties, with William they would have been the "Fab Four," and Harry would still be living a lavish life in the UK, surrounded by his loving family. Unfortunately, he chose to marry a black woman for love, and that just wouldn't do in that horrid country. And so here we are.

Yes, here we are r36, with you overlooking the hundreds of thousands of Brits who turned out to cheer them on their wedding day, the tens of millions of taxpayer pounds spent on the event, the fact that Prince Charles escorted down the aisle.

Meghan is a woman who populated her own wedding with celebs who she had never even met before and who (with the exception of her mother) acted as if every one of her own relatives, black or white, is dead to her. She doesn’t really do family, let alone Royal Family.

R26, yes, they are much safer in the peaceful, secure and sane USA where they are dearly loved.

I really don't understand the hate towards Harry. I get the hate towards his wife; the way she tries to use her "position" to be some kind of influencer or Royal Goop wannabe, but I feel sorry for Harry.

His mom died and now his family has shut him out. The Windsor's are cold as fuck.

Well after all he is James Hewitt's son or is it Barry Mannakee? He has as much royal blood in him as Hyacinth Bucket. He is a pretender. Intolerable.

R50, his mother died 27 years ago. It was very sad and my heart broke for him, but many people suffer terrible loss without using it as an excuse for every bad decision they go on to make for the next 3 decades.

Harry downplays his own multiple racist acts and utterances, but tars his own relatives as racist for daring to wonder what a child of a ginger man and a mixed race woman will look like. And having done the damage by making a blanket accusation over the whole family, he then lies and says he made no accusation in the first place.

On so many levels, he is a total hypocrite. He criticises reporters for invading his privacy, and then accepts tens of millions of pounds to breach his family’s privacy to an unprecedented extent. He is the best-paid and most revelatory royal reporter in history.

He is determined to hold on to all the privileges and adulation which royal life can bring, without showing any loyalty to the institution which provides them. He shows no awareness at all at the vast good fortune he has had in so many aspects of his life: vast wealth, a superb education (which he despised and squandered), entry into Sandhurst despite his poor educational attainment, the chance to serve in Afghanistan in total safety, alongside real heroes who were committed to giving their own lives to save his.

He shows no awareness for the feelings of even those who he says loved and supported him most. He made his grandmother’s final years a misery and trashed her beloved Commonwealth, to which she was utterly devoted for her whole life, even when most of its wealthier members regarded it as an irrelevance. And after The Queen’s death, his attacks on William, Kate and Charles show that he will continue to hurt them if they give him the slightest chance to do so.

I don’t hate him, but I do wish he would shut up, at least for a while.

It’s fun to watch the chaos unfold.

Hmm, you get the sense that Haz still thinks this is a bargaining point with the BRF & the British public in general: I won't come back until my wifey & I get get the gold star protection we deserved

British public response: Yawn...did you see Kate at Wimbledon, she looked AMAZING!

R36, if only Amber Heard had known that Harry was dumb enough to be conned by an adventuress.

I’m sure they would quite happy in the safe, cozy confines of Nigeria. She’s 48% Nigerian in case you haven’t heard

At least she won't be blighting Old Blighty with her voluminous, wrinkled linen suit with (typically) dragging palazzo pants. Picture in next post.

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She's Nigerian like Hillary Lynn Hayward-Thomas Baldwin is Spanish.

Her clothing always looks as if she shoved them in her school backpack and then quickly changed in to them in a cubicle at the airport washroom.

Halfwit Harry and his harridan always looks like they just rolled out of bed and threw on whatever clothes they found in a pile on the floor.

Both of their voices are off-putting. Harry sounds like a 90-year-old man who has been smoking heavily for 80 of those 90 years and she is so phony sounding it's nauseating.

It's dangerous in the UK, but it's totally safe in the US? And safe in Jamaica and Niagara where they recently visited? Suuuuurrrreeee.

R50 The Windsors only shut him out after he and Meghan kept trashing them on Oprah and other interviews, on Megz's podcast, in their Netflix documentaries, in Harry's book, etc. With many of their claims subsequently proven as total lies. And yet still, the late Queen invited them to her Jubilee (where they were booed and mostly the reason Megz no longer will attend any public engagement in the UK). Charles invited them to his coronation. It's really only when Charles and Catherine were labelled as the so-called royal racists that the door seems to have firmly shut on them. And lets be real, it.s now fairly well-established that the Harry the public loved was largely manufactured through Palace PR.

[quote]His mom died and now his family has shut him out.

R50. Harry is a liar. He's full of shit He never stops playing the victim. He violates everyone's privacy but then is outraged is anyone criticizes him.

Harry shut out his family. Not the other way around.

But even New York City is not safe for them either! The last time they were there, they were subjected to a high-speed chase up and down the city streets!

[quote] It's dangerous in the UK, but it's totally safe in the US?

As I understand it, they can hire armed guards in the U.S., but can’t in the UK because of the gun laws. They want their guards packing heat.

They want armed guards in a country were no one packs heat. Makes so much sense.

Hilarious. They seem to believe that they are of importance?

They were fun when they were causing over the top scenes left and right. Now that they're listening to their PR minders and staying largely quiet, they're dull as dirt. The only thing interesting about them is their ability to fuck up any opportunity.

Did that stupid Orchard-whatever brand ever launch? I read this week that Meghan has completed filming her lifestyle series for Netflix. And dumb-dumb is filming his polo documentary.

The self-aggrandizement is staggering.

Harry and Markle...go the fuck away never to be heard from again.

[quote] Now that they're listening to their PR minders and staying largely quiet, they're dull as dirt.

With Harry’s new inheritance, they can afford to be quiet for a while as they use that up.

[quote]His mom died and now his family has shut him out. The Windsor's are cold as fuck.

He left the family and then trashed them nonstop in the media. Nobody's got time for that.

Had she's ever had death threats? Or is he implying that she'll be chased around like his sainted mother?

My BIL is a British Israeli Jew. I asked him 2 months ago if he wanted to go back to London, and he told me that he wanted to with all his heart, but the anti Israeli Jew sentiment is very strong there. I believe his fears, Harry has no basis for his.

If the OP's pic is anything to go by, she is about to tell that Alexis cunt that the champagne is burned.

He probably tells her it's too dangerous but the reality is that he wants to get away from her for awhile. She can't be easy to live with.

I noticed today that her stupid jam comes wrapped in burlap with a simple homemade label but then somewhere underneath it has her and Harry's coat of arms, you know the one where her squawking bird is trying to push over the shield? I mean...it's so stupid and inconsistent. Are you a homey, organic brand or are you a psuedo royal poser brand?

He's keeping his mixed-race wife out of Britain, a country with almost no guns and very little violent crime.

And he's storing her in America, a country with more guns than cars, and a country where a Black person is more likely to be killed by a cop or a stray bullet than by cancer or heart disease.

This is like hiding from a rapist at Kevin Spacey's house. Jesus Christ, the ginger is stupid.

[quote] And he's storing her in America, a country with more guns than cars, and a country where a Black person is more likely to be killed by a cop or a stray bullet than by cancer or heart disease.

Perhaps he knows not to believe that myth. Heart disease is the number one cause of death of black Americans.

R75 Yeah she stunned us, with another ill-fitting outfit in need of ironing.

The drama surrounding these two was fun at first, a nice distraction during covid, but they're beyond boring and predictable now and beyond a few erratic fans and media outlets trying to get clicks, no one cares anymore.

No-one is going to throw acid in her face if she sets foot in London. However the area near the Le Lipstick Beauty Salon in Baltimore is a whole northern story.

The high speed chase was in midtown Manhattan where the traffic is so heavy and slow moving the city is still planning on enforcing a fee to enter it. Undeniably Harry has gone through much trauma in his life despite being spoiled rotten though often treated as second class in relation to Wiliam that he is now mentally twisted.

Meghan 's ruthlessness is so deep to exploit such a man it reaches down to China. A total psychopath.

At this point it almost feels like self-flagellation. It's as though he's going out of his way to be disliked.

I don't think Meghan has any interest in coming to the UK. It's clear she doesn't like the country and was glad to get back to Hollywood as fast as she was able to. I don't believe she sees the UK as dangerous, just undesirable.

Ordinarily I wouldn't blame her. She's American and clearly prefers her home country. Nothing wrong with that. But she married Harry knowing it would mean she'd have to live here in the UK. She wanted to marry him, but didn't want the life it entailed, hence the claims of how everyone disliked her and how she had to get away.

R81, that shouldn't stop her from making brief visits to the UK a couple of times a year when her husband is here or to bring their kids to see their family. Don't forget, she was hanging around London and the environs, specifically with the Soho House crowd, before she met Harry, so she was quite comfortable in the UK then.

UK here.

It all started positively, and Meghan had a warm welcome from many. It was when the stories about how she treated staff got out that the forum nutcases that newspapers rely on saw their opportunity, and from then on it was constant racist nutbaggery.

I’m sure she is an unpleasant, spoilt woman who really didn’t understand what she was up against, but she is not the only one in the wrong. Harry is equally to blame, and so are the courtiers. They should have anticipated matters better.

It's because he doesn't want her around to spoil his reunion orgies with the lads from his army unit.

The bombshell Oprah interview scuttled their "likability" around the world. Whoever advised them to do it was not a friend to the couple because they used it to decimate the other Royals, including the (now) King. From Meghan's confession she wanted to unalive herself, to the cringe royal curtsy, to claiming "the opposite was true" when she was asked if she made Kate cry, how do you come back from that. Answer: You don't.

I always laugh when they mention she’ll be selling jam and dog biscuits. What a weird combo.

R86 Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. What do YOU eat for breakfast?

She’s unable to travel due to having no clothes that fit.

R82 I agree with you. She has no desire to come back here even for short visits because she knows she's burnt her bridges.

[quote] She has no desire to come back here even for short visits because she knows she's burnt her bridges.

Actually, she has no desire to come back because she never liked the UK, and doesn't give a fuck about you people.

The only one bothered by this is Harry, because he was born and raised there, and has family and friends there.

Meghan, on the other hand doesn't care. She's right where she wants to be, in her home state of California, in a multi-million dollar mansion, with her two kids and husband.

She gives ZERO fucks if she ever goes back to the shitty UK, after how they've treated her.

She has no use for you people.

The feeling is no doubt mutual, R90, though no doubt in her mind she’s innocent of any and all wrongdoing and millions of people in the UK are nasty racists.

That and the booing whelms. A narcissist like her can’t handle it.

She’s a vile bitch.

[quote] She’s a vile bitch.

This is the best summary explanation I’ve seen for Meghan’s relationship with the UK and the royal family, and of her reputation in general.

[quote] As the son of the monarch and the brother of the future King, he deserves that protection.

R3, he's entitled to the same level protection as every other member of his family gets. He wants more. I don't doubt that there are threats to the safety of his family. But it is in the interests of him and the security he employs to play up those threats to keep him in the news and to keep the security employed.

It's clear that Mrs. Harry Mountbatten-Windsor of Montecito, CA, USA wants nothing to do with the country from which her status and title spring.

Their titles should be removed from them. No one will dare to do it, not his father and especially not politicians of either party. The Montecito couple's trump card is that she's Black. It would cause damage to the father and to politicians.

She'll never go back. She married the second stringer. She has no chance in the UK of being the lead. I don't blame her really. She's an actress who wants to play the lead. Now, she can play a lead part by going their own way in exile. But their claim to fame is his status and connections. So, send him out to pursue his case and mention how it has hurt relations with his family. It will keep you both in the news. Then you go out to fly across the continent in a private jet to hobnob with influencers and women who are self-styled businesswomen in the most exclusive and rarefied summer town. Do you think the supporting actress from a basic cable channel tv show would rub elbows with that ilk if she were not Duchess of Sussex?

She's smart. Give her a lot of credit. If anyone thinks he's calling the shots, you are deluded. Meghan Markle is very smart. The world is still talking about a wedding that happened six years ago. She just needs to stoke his grievances.

I do not doubt that QEII and her husband are both spinning under St. George's Chapel in Windsor. His mother is probably doing the same up at Althorp.

She and Harry are just seething with rage that she was not hailed as the next Diana and that the RF didn't bow and scrape to her every demand.

The fact she wanted the red carpet that is for monarchs and heirs rolled down the aisle at her wedding confirms her insanity. I'm surprised she didn't also demand to open Parliament.

They are both venomous.

The cunts are just blackmailing Charles. Period.

"You can't see your royal grandchildren unless you pay for it, Pops."

I look forward to seeing their headstones in Tarzana.

Harry reads the comments in the Daily Mail and knows how disliked Meghan is there. Americans also dislike her, but not to that extent.

They have children?

[quote]Actually, she has no desire to come back because she never liked the UK, and doesn't give a fuck about you people.

R90 I know. But I don't see why she married a man from the UK Royal Family even though she doesn't like it here.

I wouldn't want to live in the US, hence I wouldn't marry an American man if I meant I had to move there.

Have we ever figured out who the mother is, since Maghat has carried as many babies as Donald Trump?

^Supposedly eggs she froze weren't viable and her niece Ashley (Samantha's daughter) was the surrogate AND the egg donor thus the children's Markle resemblance.

R90 hi Dora, give our love to Megs.

They are very rich but she is full of ambitions that will never be realized and he is filled with a bitterness that will be with him his entire life. At least they don't have to worry about paying bills which is a big plus.

The only Prince who has any reason to be bitter is Swedish Prince Carl Philip.

He was born the heir and then the law was changed while he was a toddler and his sister became the heir. Even if he has any bitterness or resentment, he doesn't air it publicly. Despite the downgrade, he and his snaggletooth reality show actress wife enjoy a very nice life and perks. Harry and his harridan could have also had a cushy life with tremendous perks despite not being the heir but nooooo, he'd rather moan and complain to the public about how hard his life is.

Carl Philip has the most gorgeous family. The Swedish royals did family.pics for CP Victoria's 47th birthday a couple weeks ago. Her daughter, Princess Estelle is getting so tall!

The Duchess Meghan is loved and protected by her British prince. Unlike, Diana, Harry will not allow his loved one go thru all that English tabloid nastiness and gaslight buffoonery

What exactly are Meghan's ambitions, r103? She doesn't appear to have any clear interests or direction. Just look at the joke that is American Riviera Orchard or her podcast.

You really nailed it, R106.

The BRF and the British Tabloids are just pissed because they couldn't do to Meghan what they did to Diana.

A) Meghan is American, so she had a far away place to which she could escape. Diana didn't have that.

B) Harry is protecting Meghan, in a way that Charles never did for Diana.

Which is why the Brits are so angry at them.

R108 "The Brits" don't care about them.

It's Clueless Americans like yourself who do. We actual Brits couldn't give a shit about either of them.

R108 you are an ignorant lunatic. Try participating in a thread were you are actually knowledgeable about the subject matter.

We're not angry at them, r108. In fact, we're very happy that they've gone and would be delighted not to hear from them ever again. If anything, Harry seems unable to understand that we couldn't care less about him and is desperately trying to get our attention. Meghan the American insists on being referred to in the US as Meghan, The Duchess of Sussex and on using faux royalesque logos for her branding.

Are these the Klan Grannies I've heard so much about?

Boo hoo HOO Harold. Too bad so very sad

Ever notice how all Meghan's friends are white, r112?

“The Duchess Meghan”, R106? Have you granted her a new title?

It’s always good for a laugh when a clueless American gets involved in a topic about which they know nothing.

Even more hilarious, r115, is his reference to Harry as "the British prince".

R106 you sound high.

R116 It's a woman. Without doubt.

PR Interns always say "nailed it" when they respond to their own posts.

R119 nailed it!

She’s just in so much danger, but let’s pose for the cameras.

No doubt Paltrow and Witherspoon were desperate to be photographed with the acclaimed Duchess but they couldn’t get near her because of her crowd of security.

I'm sure Meghan was dying to get in a photo with Paltrow and Witherspoon.

Really Harry? You're such a drama queen.

[quote]She's smart. Give her a lot of credit. If anyone thinks he's calling the shots, you are deluded. Meghan Markle is very smart.

A smart person wouldn't have failed spectacularly at everything they've attempted in life.

R106 The Brits actually liked Diana, as opposed to despising her like Meghan.

Markle is afraid the royal family won't talk to her and that she'll get booed in public. It may affect her pretend jam sales.

Markle is despicable.

^^Harry id despicable too.

They're vermin!

R106 I’m like, totally confused - how did Diana allow her loved one to go thru (sic) “all that English tabloid nastiness and gaslight buffoonery”?

And, while I’m here - what the fuck is “gaslight buffoonery”?

R107 They seem to be all over the place. A lister, humanitarian, Martha Stewart, dog biscuit entrepreneur, and I've heard she wants to get into politics but that seems to be beyond the pale. She can't even appear to pretend to care about others.

A-lister? Oh, my sides!

Meghan is smarter than HARRY.

R107 & R131 Her ambition is to be famous and rich...while doing a little as possible. The main reason she quit the royal gig was she couldn't stand the thought of endless ribbon cutting, small talk with regular people, travelling to little towns and villages across the UK, giving dull speeches and living in a dusty old royal residence. Added to the fact that she was never going to be the most important royal given Harry's place in the line of succession.

Initially when they got to the US, companies were throwing money at them, but that's not happening anymore. They're basically throwing everything they can around hoping something will stick.

She didn't even get to go to the Bond premiere wearing a gorgeous gold gown, being escorted by Tom Cruise on the red carpet.

[quote] The main reason she quit the royal gig was she couldn't stand the thought of endless ribbon cutting, small talk with regular people, travelling to little towns and villages across the UK, giving dull speeches and living in a dusty old royal residence.

Nobody could stand the thought of doing that full time.

It sounds horribly BORING.

For someone small minded like Kate, I'm sure that's fine. She really has no greater ambitions than just being a wife and a mother, and doing the things you mentioned above.

But Meghan has always had greater ambitions. Actresses, by nature, are ambitious people.

You have to be, to work in Hollywood.

[quote]But Meghan has always had greater ambitions. Actresses, by nature, are ambitious people.

Another way to put it is that she's treacherous, devious, scheming, manipulative.

Meghan has AMBITIONS but not the discipline or know-how to make it HAPPEN.

I will give her credit for bagging Harry. Kudos.

[quote] For someone small minded like Kate, I'm sure that's fine. She really has no greater ambitions than just being a wife and a mother, and doing the things you mentioned above.

Ah yes, poor Kate. She has to cope with driving social media insane every time she stays home and with being given a standing ovation for just turning up at Wimbledon, and with clicking her fingers and making Britain’s largest companies line up to support her charitable interests.

If only things were different and she were free to act like a dancing dog for Ellen, or to send jam to fairly anonymous polo players. She must question her choices daily!

Well, R136, Kate married a reasonably wealthy man, who became very very wealthy two years ago, and who is only going to get wealthier. She is loved by most of the people of the UK and Commonwealth, world famous for her empathy and style, meets everybody who there is to meet and who all seem to want to meet her and seems happy with her immediate and extended family.

I’d suggest that there’s quite a lot there that Meghan would aspire to, if she could, but as with all things Meghan, she fell short.

Meghan has a crush on William, who was her FIRST choice. But Kate ended up with William. If, somehow, Meghan had managed to bag William, she wouldn't be trying to be half-in and half-out. She'd be all-in, still bitching, but all-in.

There’s also the four storey apartment in Kensington Palace as a pied a terre, Adelaide Cottage in Windsor Great Park and ten bedroom Anmer Hall in Norfolk - a bit far to drive to for the weekend but perfect for summer holidays and they can always be there within the hour by jumping on one of the BRF’s helicopters.

Yes, there’s nothing there that Meghan could want!

Motorcade with police outriders blocking the road to take her to the helicopter which her husband then piloted to take them away - yes, Meghan would absolutely HATE this!

Harry and Meghan have never had to deal with what real celebrities have experienced.

BOR-INNNNG!

Small minded Kate just happy to pop out for a quiet night at the multiplex to catch the latest James Bond film.

Meghan just wouldn’t do it!

R94 I don’t think Meghan is smart. She’s a typical gold digger. It’s like calling Melania Trump smart.

Nobodies always dropping in unannounced. So tiresome!

Meghan Markle had lunch with Brad Paisley's wife (Kimberly), called the paps, but it's not clear if Kimberly knew.

Here she is in her basic woman jewelry: Cartier juste un clou (just a nail) necklace and Cartier Love bracelet. Smiling like a crazy person because she was ready for the paps.

[quote] Harry and Meghan have never had to deal with what real celebrities have experienced.

Well, be fair r144! How are Uncle Harry and his first wife supposed to know what poor dear Taylor has had to deal with? - I don’t believe that they have ever met her.

The British people really wanted to love Harry and Meghan. That was genuine affection at the wedding. Unfortunately, their odious personalities soon became apparent.

Who are these nonentities? I wish I was Meghan at home packaging jam.

[quote] The British people really wanted to love Harry and Meghan. That was genuine affection at the wedding. Unfortunately, their odious personalities soon became apparent.

That’s just it. It’s what her stans can’t seem to understand.

I’m British and always was rather fond of Harry. He had a lot of sympathy from the public since his mother’s death and was seen as one of the more likeable members of the RF. I also liked Meghan to begin with; I took her smiley demeanour at face value.

I was happy for them and no problem with them whatsoever until their true personalities gradually came to light. Most people find the way they’ve treated their own family and their staff, quite despicable, not to mention the constant whinging, self pity and blatant attention seeking.

They say if you give a person enough rope they’ll hang themselves and that has certainly been the case. Her Duchessship is clearly a grade “A” narcissist and Harry, now he longer has the palace to cover up his behaviour and obnoxious, entitled personality, is just a dim-witted whinger. What he did to his family with that book and various interviews is unforgivable and so hypocritical: he complains about the media intruding on his privacy and he uses the media to violate his family’s and air his dirty linen in public. You just don’t do that to your own family.

Meghan was a guest of someone invited. Goop had a special luncheon for her friends the next day and Megs didn't get an invite. I assume Goop and Witherspoon avoided Meghan like the plague.

Goop is a big Kate fan.

R154 She wasn’t invited because she’s toxic.

Had things with the Harkles turned out differently, you could see them at the Olympics, representing the UK/BRF and hobnobbing with the athletes, celebs, etc. They would've had opportunities to shine outside of Wills & Kate and supported the athletes

I wonder if in his more lucid moments, Harry sits back & thinks how thinks how things could've been different if he just hadn't pressed the nuclear button.

Harry seems to think this is all going to pass. That he's going to complete his legal battle with the tabloids, from which he believes he will emerge victorious, and then he'll be able to slip back into his former royal activities. In his mind, his family will welcome him back with open arms after his heroic crushing of the press, who have plagued them all, admitting to him that he was in the right after all and they're sorry for everything they put him through.

Of course, after he loses his battle with the tabloids, which succeeded his public battle against his family, he will move on to his next battle, which will probably be a battle with the British government over security. Then when he flops at that, instead of pausing to consider just why things aren't working out for him, he'll find another battle to be heroic and valiant over.

The point at which he might just pause to consider just what the fuck he's doing and is it worth it is when his kids get older and start to ask about their British relatives and why they seem to be so important, do such cool things, meet so many famous people and live in amazing houses. "But why can't we do that too, dad, if it's our birth right, as you keep saying? Why does everyone keep calling granddad King? Why does everyone love our British cousins so much? Can we play with them?"

[quote] I am not a White Woman Hater of Meghan Markle.I'm a minority woman who lives in an impoverished region.

Yeah, sure, Jan R41, I guess you just found Datalounge by happenstance? I bet you have as much 'color' as Cynthia Nixon. And just as phony.

R154, Goop and Reese avoided Meg like the plague because, yes, she's toxic, but also associating with her will ruin their reputation in Britain and with the royal family and lots of people around the world. Markle would also just exploit the invitation to promote her narrative further and they of course can't trust that anything they say in front of her won't be twisted and relayed to the public in Harry's next confessional.

They probably don't even like Markle. Goop loves Kate, though.

Her outfit at r149! She has *no* idea how to dress! She just slaps on the bronzer, piles on some jewellery and tries to showcase the "lefs for miles".

Not for lack of trying,r150. Remember the handwritten invitation to guest star on Archetypes?

Presently, won't Harry be provided with protection if a threat is deemed to be likely? Keeping up with all his court cases is a bit too much, even for a hater.

R160, there's no way they like her. She's a try-hard.

Absolutely, r162. But even if you don't like someone (and I'm sure much of Hollywood don't like each other personally) you'd still invite them to your gathering if you thought it could benefit you in some way. In normal circumstances, it would be a major coup to have the daughter-in-law of the King of the United Kingdom at your party, even if you secretly thought she was a bitch. The fact she isn't getting invited to things, even when her less well-known friends are, shows just what bad news she is.

Totally, r163. Who would trust a person who ghosted the father who doted on her? The idea that Harry wouldn't meet Sr until just before the wedding. She set him up with that photographer, no doubt.

Mean girl.

Nacho's man face wife was at the Goop private event...

Malignant Meg told halfwit Harry he would be richer and more famous than his brother in Hollywood. Joke is on halfwit Harry.

You sound dumb R164. There are plenty of things to fault Markle for, but I'm not going to judge the lack of relationship with her father. I dont believe in staying in contact with toxic parents, and I highly doubt you were there to see him "dote on her." You don't know what their relationship really is.

Markle wrote extensively about dad's doting throughout her life, all available to read on the internet.

Who gives a shit R167? You can't tell someone how to handle their own relatives. He has sold her private letters, private conversations, and everything else he can get someone to buy. The ONE thing he was asked to do was NOT talk to the press. That's all. He didn't have to DO anything - just not do something. He refused. When his daughter wrote to him asking him to please stop talking to the press so she didn't have to cut him off, he sold THAT letter, too! He has willingly and repeatedly made choices that have led to his being cut off.

Oh, so the Harkles can't trust Thomas Markle just like the RF can't trust Harry and his wife. I'm sure you totally understand that, right?

^^^southparkle, havn't you gotten even a little tiny clue that everyone has your number yet ? Vile bitch.

r138, I used to work with the Department Head makeup for" Deal or No Deal". When M got married to H, I mentioned it to her and they replied, "Well she got what she wanted", so her aspirations were known when she was a suitcase girl.

[quote] Yeah, sure, Jan [R41], I guess you just found Datalounge by happenstance? I bet you have as much 'color' as Cynthia Nixon. And just as phony.

As a matter of fact, r159, that's exactly what happened. Over 20 years ago, I happened to have discovered this thing called by George W. Bush "the internets".

Then Michael Musto, in his Village Voice column, snarked about the mean bitches at the DL. I quickly skedaddled over here.

I'm a surviving relic of the DL Pleistocene Epoch. I've taken, and dished out, more here than you'd ever have to.

Not that I owe you an accounting. I offered it, however, to school you in the following. I'm being both condescending and sincere. Heed the wisdom.

Re-read your sentence that I quoted above. I hope it causes you to examine your assumptions and biases.

So, now that you've done that, what's the incorrect sub-text and the biases and assertions within it?

Getting back to Markle. I'm sticking to my oft-stated Would Have Should Have Could Have

Yeah, I'm being melodramatic, and I've written this before here but I mean the following, too.

Right now, in terms of Markle being truly interesting and a star, she'd have been better off telling Harry to marry a compliant, wanna-be Princess, blonde, blue-eyed "English Rose" while she'd be his publicly acknowledged mistress, money and paid-for luxe LA condo upfront.

And spare me moral, pearl-clutching outrage.

We live in an era where making a sex-tape can be the spring-board for multi-billionaire world fame.

Fundamentally, though, Markle should have waited before she married Harry. But she couldn't resist that brass ring, and I don't blame her.

As a mid 30s, C-List, divorced actor, she was running out of moves. I get it.

But they blew it, both of them.

I don't give a shit about them personally you screeching queen R169 R170. I'm defending the right to cut off any relative for any reason you want. Nobody is owed a relationship. I don't give a shit about her motives. I'm no fan of her.

[quote] southparkle, havn't you gotten even a little tiny clue that everyone has your number yet ? Vile bitch.

I hope you have the number to your psychiatrist and your pharmacist because you need some heavy drugs for your delusions. You royal family fan girls give off the worst stench of bitterness.

R172 Get the fuck out here Miss Manners. You get a huge F for trolling. You couldn't "School" a kindergartner, let alone an anonymous poster on Datalounge. Ironic of you to bring up George W., you type like one of the children who were left behind. Gotta love the morons who need to write ten paragraphs on why they don't like Markle. You can't just stand on it. You have to try and justify it with a whole novel of bullshit.

"I'm defending the right to cut off any relative for any reason you want." - That works both ways, r173.

*sigh* Some day, r174, some day...I hope.

Anyway, As another DLer pointed out in this thread, or another, for a while, among the celebrity set, it has been pick-a-side time.

I go back to that dinner party Paltrow had in Montecito a few months back that was covered in Vogue Magazine. If the Sussexes were invited and there, apparently, they didn't make the cut for being shown in the Vogue report.

That's saying something.

It's also fun to speculate on whether Markle will publicly signal support for Kamala Harris, at least the one thing I do find right about Markle- she supports Democrats.

But Harris, as the possible future US President has picked a side and without question the possible US President has to recognize the UK's Head of State, King Charles and the heir, Prince William.

I find Meghan repellent but the GFM Lady C. started for Thomas Markle Sr., which I believe is up to 50k, is ridiculous.

Plenty of retirees struggling who have children who could help them but don't. Why is he so special? He had a good job and has a pension along with Social Security now. Pissed away all his money on trips to Thailand and spoiling his youngest brat.

KGT is dumb as Hell. Can't believe all of this time she still hasn't recognized me. She's probably still stalking Harry Styles and Rachel online while sending death threats to Louis Tomlinson and obsessing over Niall Horan's weight in the psycho anorexics thread.

I will give her credit for bagging Harry. Kudos.

Well if you're a pretty superficially charming cocktease you torpedo a wealthy deeply disturbed man with relative ease. I'm sure there were a number of available women he was interested in who said dear God no. As concerns her family she didn't even invite her niece who she was supposed to be close to. Nobody but her neglectful mother for the optics. This alone must have been a huge red flag for the royal family. They must have been thinking stupid Harry has really fucked us. Was Jennifer Anniston invited and turned down the invitation because she didn't know Meghan? Unlike Clooney and Oprah who were not giving up a royal wedding for anything in the world.

It was Reese Witherspoon who turned down the wedding invitation as she knew neither bride nor groom (there were possibly more).

She seems to have enjoyed meeting Kate, though.

They should have invited Halle Berry to the wedding, Harry had her picture pinned up in his room as a schoolboy. He ended up with a less better looking Halle Berry who is even more crazy.

They just can’t seem to be happy unless they are in the public eye.

Shut up, Harry.

[quote]Prince Harry Shares Why He Won't Bring Meghan Markle Back to the U.K.: 'It's Still Dangerous'

"It's still dangerous" that, without a massive security detail, insufficient attention will be paid her highness and that feelings will be hurt and new frocks go unnoticed.

new frocks go unnoticed.

Now we notice them for the wrong reason. Either they make her middle thicker looking, she buys haute couture which looks fabulous on tall models but on her it looks ridiculous and it looks like she sleeps in them.

She's thin (now), but still has a thick midriff, which means she has to go a size up. Since the designer togs are lent, she cannot tailor them, hence the oversized look of them. Or if she gets the correct size, they are too tight looking because of her thick midriff.

But I don't understand why she doesn't get everything steamed out, so it doesn't look wrinkled.

I just want to say, that personal security is a legitimate issue, and I think it shows how hypocritical and shabby the Royal Family and the Palace staff is because Prince Andrew who is not a working Royal, and who has disgraced himself as a pedophile, still has security. In fact he still gets to do almost anything he wants including living in a "lodge" that looks like a fucking palace to me. I'm no cheerleader for Meghan and Harry, but I also think the rest of them are full of shit. I do like Anne and Katherine. Camilla is hilarious. But that's it. I feel like all the bullshit focus on Harry right now tells me they are wanting to distract from other messes they'd rather not deal with.

R187. Harry and Meghan chose to leave the UK and be non-working royals so they could better monetize their celebrity'. They chose that. They left. I don't know what security Andrew gets. What exactly does he get that Harry and Meghan should also get? In any event, he is still there and did not willingly resign from the working group and leave the country. He did not sell tell all books and TV specials. The King has apparently moved to oust him from his current digs but he does have a lease of some sort.

R188, Andrew doesn't get official security anymore and hasn't for some time. Elizabeth paid for private security for him. Charles does not want to continue to do this. He's also tried to force him out of the "lodge" but Andrew has ninety-something year lease on it and does not have to budge. Harry and Meghan, I think, only had a year to year on Frogmore, so Charles was able to eject them.

R188 You're American, right? You're pontificating on the topic while not knowing any of the facts about what you are pontificating on. (At least you admitted you don't know before expressing an opinion based on what you don't know.)

You're criticizing the royal family for not providing the same level of security as for Andrew while admitting you don't know what level of security Andrew gets.

It's weird that the Klan Grannies here would rather defend and support Andrew the Epstein pedophile, than Harry.

It just goes to show you how deep their hatred of Meghan truly is, and that this is really only about her race.

Guess what, cunts?

Pedophile > Writing a tell all, when it comes to which offense is greater.

I personally believe if anyone ever managed to kidnap malicious Meg they would toss her out of the car on the next block because even five minutes of her voice and word salad would be too much for even the most hardened of criminal to bear.

In conclusion, her odious personality is her security against abduction.

Dim moron at r191, aside from the fact that an 18 year old is an adult so the paedophile accusation is a fail, Andrew - unlike Haz and Smegs a UK resident - doesn't have the kind of security that Harry is demanding, i.e. armed guards. The very fact that Harry is not citing the example of Andrew in his battle with the UK government is proof of the fact that the two situations are not comparable.

In fact, Harry and Meghan have never mentioned Andrew (aside from one non-critical, passing reference to Andrew in Harry's ghost-written "autobiography"). They have viciously criticised numerous other members of Harry's family, but never Andrew.

R191 are you fucking thick? Having sex (allegedly) with a 17 year old does not make you a pedophile.

Go away and read a book and educate yourself, because for sure you are embarrassing yourself on this thread.

HArry wasn't asking for security in California, he wanted it when he returned to the UK. And that is legitimate. He is still a member of the Royal family, and he a Prince of the Blood, meaning his father is the King. I think they're petty shits. And Charles is a big fucking phony with all his "dear boy" bullshit. And Andrew has security., I have seen recent photos of him with a member of security driving him somewhere. Charles is worth billions. Even if it comes from his personalaccounts he should provide sme security and reassurance for his son. He's a prick.

Riiiight, it’s all about Meghan’s race. Keep telling yourself that.. It has nothing to do with the mountains of lies and repulsive behavior. Not at all.

Halfwit Harry doesn't just want security in the UK, he wants "IPP" status which would get him security EVERYWHERE he and his harridan travel to along with the Royal perks that go along with IPP status. The U.S. would be on the hook for his massive security bill and obligated to treat him like a dignitary at all times.

IPP = Internationally Protected Person.

R195 You're a complete idiot.

Harry wants RPOs. These are not afforded to non-working royals. This has already been made clear to him, but his ridiculous delusions won't let him let that sink in.

Vomiting out THAS RACIZT just isn't cutting it anymore Sparkles needs a new grift

[quote] Her daughter, Princess Estelle is getting so tall!

Goliath!

Adding:

IPP Status would also allow halfwit Harry and his harridan to receive daily briefings on world security matters and also on the RF's whereabouts and activities.

Which is just one more reason it ain't happenin'

Harold holding forth from his favorite mouthpiece People Mag today, says he wouldn't have done all those interviews and books trashing his family if Charles would have just influenced the government to give Harold IPP security. Poor thing, he can't get Chas on the phone, or to return his calls. BOO FECKIN HOOOOO

I see that the KGT has surfaced from its basement, freshly medicated.

[quote]. He is still a member of the Royal family, and he a Prince of the Blood, meaning his father is the King.

I assume you are American given you’re bizarre reverence for royal blood, which is almost non-existent in the UK but surprisingly prevalent among certain segments of the US.

In a modern democracy a royal family survives based on public service only. The electorate supports the monarchy because of its links with tradition, its nonpartisan nature, the fact that it has functioned pretty well to-date. Virtually no one in the UK is keen to give freebies to a royal who has no intention of serving the state and who in fact denigrates tte British people. Charles is being a responsible head of state in a democracy by thwarting Harry’s megalomania.

I realise you are in awe of Harry’s royal blood and are keen to be his slave so why don’t you campaign for America to recognise Harry’s exalted status and exempt him from the rules that apply to everyone else. That way your atavistic15th century urges can be satisfied

[quote] HArry wasn't asking for security in California, he wanted it when he returned to the UK. And that is legitimate.

It’s not legitimate. Princess Anne (who has actually been the victim of a serious kidnapping attempt) does not have 24 hour security provided by the Royal Protection Officers. Neither does Prince Edward or the Duchess of Edinburgh. They are assigned RPO security only when on duty representing the monarchy. Harry does not do that anymore, so he has no automatic entitlement to security.

Harry’s security needs will be assessed by RAVEC regularly and any threats to him will be assessed and his security will be assigned on this basis. This is how the system works for VIPs, politicians, etc. here in the UK, but Harry has such a stunning sense of entitlement that he just cannot bear not getting what he wants.

When Harry talks about paying for his own security costs, he is demanding the right to hire the UK equivalent of the Secret Service as his own employees. No-one else has this privilege. Why should he be allowed to?

Ofcourse, his real aim has always been to be assigned equivalent security as a VIP in America, which would make him feel terribly important

R190, you apparently have low riding comprehension unless American English is that different. I criticized no one and was asking R187 what they expected in the way of security if Andrew was the comparison. My post was largely critical of complaints by Harry and Meghan suggesting that they made that choice for their own perceived benefit.

/reading comprehension

My riding comprehension is fine. You crticised the royal family because of Andrew's security provision. but you in fact don't have any idea what Andrew's security provision is. Don't criticise people based on your ignorance. If you want to criticise my riding comprehension you need to cite a passage I actually misunderstood. But since you ciriticise people based on your ignorance, I guess you feel you don't need to.

[quote] My riding comprehension is fine.

Too bad your spelling is SHIT.

R209. Where did I criticize the royal family because of Andrew's security protection. I didn't. Please read with glasses, if needed:

"[R187]. Harry and Meghan chose to leave the UK and be non-working royals so they could better monetize their celebrity'. They chose that. They left. I don't know what security Andrew gets. What exactly does he get that Harry and Meghan should also get? In any event, he is still there and did not willingly resign from the working group and leave the country. He did not sell tell all books and TV specials. The King has apparently moved to oust him from his current digs but he does have a lease of some sort."

That "G-9" summit in the Hamptons was a bit pyramid scam. Yes, there were some very legitimate businesses participating, but for the most part it was an event looking for investors to fund the next rich housewife selling her "wellness lifestyle."

No one was going to invest in Markle's product line with no products!

Meanwhile, Sunny Hostin of The View just launched her new Rosé wine, Ama's Blend, inspired by the beverage of choice of one of her characters in her best-selling summer novel.

Markle...are you paying attention?

Notice she went easy on the bronzer at the G9 Summit.

These two nobodies don't need security.

Another wrinkled oversized outfit- it's like the feminine version of David Byrne's suit.

Andrew is free to pay for his own security, just like he reached into his pockets and paid for Bea’s and Eugenie’s security when they were cut off years ago, Just like Harry is free to pay for his own security when he’s visiting the UK.:

[quote] An organization called the Executive Committee for the Protection of Royalty and Public Figures (known as RAVEC) determines which royals receive security, and the Metropolitan Police Service's (MPS) SO14 Royalty Protection Group is charged with keeping the royal family and its residences safe. Within the SO14, there are several subgroups: Personal and Close Protection, Residential Protection, and the Special Escort Group (SEG).

[quote]The Personal and Close Protection sector is comprised of Personal Protection Officers (PPOs). These armed and highly trained individuals protect members of the royal family while they're in the U.K. and when they travel internationally. PPOs are not uniformed officers; they instead dress similarly to United States Secret Service agents in what's considered plain clothes.

[quote]The Residential Protection group is tasked with securing and guarding royal residencies, which includes any palace, castle, or house inhabited by the family. Unlike PPOs, officers within this sector do wear uniforms.

[quote]Lastly, the SEG is a unit of armed officers who protect the royal family while they're in transit. The most common scenario in which the SEG is needed is when a royal is traveling via motorcade.

[quote]The MPS is funded with money collected from British taxpayers by the U.K. government's treasury. Information on how much it costs to provide the royal family security is kept private, "as disclosure of such information could compromise the integrity of these arrangements and affect the security of the individuals protected," according to GOV.UK.

Note that Andrew by continuing to live on the Windsor Estate gets the benefit of the RPG.

Here's something I find odd. The members of the royal family seem to understand that, in the 21st century, they are royals because the constitution says so, not because they have some special royal blood. Consequently, they are protected when they are working (aside from the King and Queen, who are protected all the time) which the state pays for. When Anne, Edward, Sophie, etc., are not working, they are not "on the job" and not protected. Harry quit the job. And therefore should not be protected at the cost to the state. However, he seems to feel that simply because he is "royal," he should be protected. The state has said, "We'll protect you when we judge it to be necessary." A perfectly logical conclusion. So what I see is a royal family who understands that they are protected because they are working for the state, but a single member (Harry) who seems he deserves it as a birthright.

Why are Markle's pants always too long?

Why is she such an idiot?

R218, I imagine many of them are very entitled. The palaces, the staff, the press coverage, it must get to you. But most of them understand that they can’t publicly harp on their privilege. That must be one of the reasons that Harry is now so toxic. The RF has a good deal. They don’t need it ruined by Harry constantly whimpering about how special and royal he is and how he needs to be protected from bad press.

His wanting IPP status for his family would mean that he and each of his family would receive the highest level of armed security at any time and in any country, paid for by that country.

So for each of the 2 adults and 2 children living in California there would be high level armed security at all times. Play dates (assuming the kids are ever allowed out) for each child. Separate teams for both parents. Always. Wherever they went.

All paid for by the US taxpayers.

I wonder if the American fans of Mrs Harry are OK with that.

Your tax dollars at work.

Yeah, that's not ever happening.

R219 there are two possible reasons:

She borrows designer clothing so can't have it altered as the outfit must be returned. This explains why NOTHING EVER FITS.

and;

She has very ugly feet with a bunion on one foot and an ugly scar from a bunion removal on the other, so when in a sandals situation, such as for her appearance in The Hamptons, she needs to cover up those clod hoppers.

My dears, linen wrinkles if you so much as look at it. And must admit, she does have pretty shoulders, so she always tries to go with a halter-type, sleeveless look.

But the beyond-tunic length top with elephant pants, just no.

She wanted to commit suicide. That's a laugh. Megs will see everybody in the world dead including her own children before she unalives herself. But then she'll have no audience. It's a Twilight Zone episode.

With toes like that, Meghan will never be able to dance like the rest of the royals. And proof that Harry used to be so much more fun ....

Wow Harry was so cute back then at r227. That looked like it was fun to attend.

How fucking wide is her waist at r216, r219? The deep V neckline, the ridiculously over-long and massively wide pants all should have made her waist appear tiny. No wonder she doesn't hem her wide pants - she needs them to (try to) balance out her waist and (try to) take attention away from it.

Lady C's GFM for Thomas Markle Sr. is still going, she's going to wrap it up at the end of the week.

I find this so bizarre. Shouldn't have blown all his money on trips to Thailand and his brat of a daughter after the age of 18. I wonder if she will start a fund for Samantha next.

The whole family is seedy with Meghan being the worst.

Presumably as part of their campaign to finally find a place where they feel truly safe, the Douche and Douchess of Sussex are heading off to Colombia later this year.

[quote] I assume you are American given you’re bizarre reverence for royal blood,

Oh, [italic]DEAR.[/italic]

I could see Megs pulling a Sherri Papini and faking her kidnapping for sympathy.

You know it has to kill Meghan that she is reduced to going to Africa and Colombia regardless of her supposed allegiance to the non-white and disadvantaged. She'd cancel the Colombia trip on the day if Macron invited to receive her at the Elysee Palace.

Is baby-buying still all the rage with the celebrity set?

Maybe they're baby shopping and Nigeria just didn't work out

Is she sourcing coffee beans for her "brand" in Colombia under the guise of a "humanitarian" tour with the country picking up the tab for her personal business trip?

I like the baby shopping theory. Get an attractive one this time to expand merching opportunities.

Surprise! I just found out that I'm 54% Colombian!

R237 is Pimp Mama Kris

I don't get it. Making international trips to places like Columbia to discuss social issues ... isn't that basically the kind of stuff they'd be doing if they had remained working royals?

[quote] Making international trips to places like Columbia to discuss social issues ... isn't that basically the kind of stuff they'd be doing if they had remained working royals?

The core issue is that Meghan wanted to move back to California, and the BRF wouldn't allow them to be working royals AND to live in California.

It was one or the other.

Colombia...there is a sucker born every minute. This must be your minute.

[QUOTE]The core issue is that Meghan wanted to move back to California, and the BRF wouldn't allow them to be working royals AND to live in California

I don't know if you're deliberately lying to obfuscate the circumstances at the time. Their place of residence was not the issue. It was their desire to use the "Sussex Royal" moniker, bestowed on them by QE II, for franchisement and profit wherever they landed, either on a Canadian Vancouver Island mansion owned by a Russian oligarch or tacky new particle board and cheap stucco mansionette owned by closet case Billionaire Tyler "What's His Face."

They've tried to compromise themselves to every cheap fuck who dares show presence and more demonstrates mere flashes of cash. Even if the money doesn't belong to the flashers.

The Sun.- "Meghan & Harry are ridiculous thinking they are a global brand & Colombia tour shows why"

both are despicable

People don't tell us. They share with us.

I'm guessing they're getting paid by the governments (Colombia, etc.) to do these tours. No way they'd do it for free or costs only.

Maybe they'll get some good blow out of it.

^I believe I read somewhere that tourism had been impacted by all the violence & kidnappings in South America. Perhaps it's also a way to show the gringos that it's safe (sort of)

Does she identify as a gringo, though?

oh hon, she'll identify as a common house fly if there's a camera in range and money on the table

How long until people will actively avoid being photographed with Megs at events? Being used for her crap PR is not nice.

Just imagine, R252:

“Oh god, look who just walked in! Quick, lock eyes with me and pretend that we’re talking intently, then slowly move away”.

[quote]How long until people will actively avoid being photographed with Megs at events? Being used for her crap PR is not nice.

Right now.

Whatever happened to her stupid Orchard company? She does that huge announcement—which, to my delight, she wore a ballgown and cutesied in what appeared to be an empty great room in a McMansion—and shoves a few jars of the most pretentiously wrapped jars of jam in the history of jams to some blist celebs….and then crickets.

I check her website occasionally—because I’m a weird—each time fingers crossed that its shelves will finally be stocked and we can start making fun of her.

Marketing types: is it a power move to make a splashy announcement about a new business only to follow with zero communication about it for months? Or is this yet another example of them managing to fuck up anything they touch?

She’s a failure at EVERYTHING.

And no one likes her!

How can they talk about online safety for children when the Sussex Squad regularly dox people?

Who did they dox, r258? Sincere question. A new development in their couple's rush to the bottom?

He should bring her home right now. That would really fuck them up in the EDL. Quite an effective clear up strategy.

“EDL”, R260? I did Google it but nothing fits.

Or are you on the wrong thread?

They've doxxed most of the people who malign the Harkles on youtube. One woman was harassed so much she had a nervous breakdown.

In a CBS interview with Meghan Markle and her husband, Prince Harry, Markle said there is still more to discuss when opening up about her struggles with suicide to the media.

"When you've been through any level of pain or trauma, I believe part of our healing journey, certainly part of mine, is being able to be really open about it," Markle said. "And I haven't really scraped the surface on my experience, but I do think that I would never want someone else to feel that way, and I would never want someone else to be making those sort of plans, and I would never want someone else to not be believed."

Meghan we'll believe you when you do it! Until then you're full of baloney.

"Scraped the surface" translates into "I haven't come up yet with another set of lies." Meg, people don't believe you because you are asking us to buy that you, of all people, could not access mental health care and that you went to HR of all places to ask for it. Also, Meg, you claim you were cured by Harry hugging you. Nice try, Jan.

"Scraped the surface," I believe, means "watch out, Charles...I've got more to reveal..."

“Already scraped the bottom of the barrel”, more likely.

“Scraped the surface” means it will all be in my memoir to be published as soon as Pa kicks the bucket and can’t refute the accusations.

She is a psychotic break on full display.

Prince Harry & Meghan Markle's Disastrous Self-Serving CBS Interview on Parents' Network.-

They'actually both ugly. I never understood why anyone though Harry was hot. He was a very ugly child, especially when shown next to William.

As for her, when are all these plain, middle-aged women going to realise that wearing their hair parted in the middle so harshly is extremely unflattering? Only the beauties can pull it off.

Lord, where are their PR people in all this? Didn't anyone tell them that America has very limited patience for victims - even for victims of actual crimes like school shootings and natural disasters? They'd be better off highlighting how they're loving their new CA life with new ventures, etc. and poor dear Kate's recent experience just goes to show how bad the UK press really is that a sick young woman had to be bulldozed into telling her private business. They're playing this all wrong.

She such a compassionate person except when it comes to families. She will never forgive her father for those pap photos(when she absolutely glows when the paps take her photos) and the royal family for putting her to work like every other member of the family including the Queen. She did not only want to live like a billionaire she wanted a salary as well if she was going to have any responsibilities. How many books can you write and documentaries can you make about the demands and intrigues of royal life when it just concerns one family at one specific time? And when there are so many vlogs available on it already. OK it's her personal experience but you get to the point where it is just navel gazing. I guess when Charles dies the gloves come off and they will pummel everyone and it is going to be very bloody.

Their crap PR people in both UK and US cooked this mess up alongside the Harkles. They love it.

She set her father up with the photographer, one she’d worked with previously in LA. Or, to put it another way, she set up her father, period, so he wouldn’t be there reminiscing about her first wedding and their strange family. She didn’t want his folksy ass at her Royal wedding, preferring to spend the day with strangers like Orca and the Clooneys.

The reactions to the interview, btw, are scathing.

I don’t think she set her father up, that’s too strategic. Her half brother was the one who told the tabloids where he lived. There followed a series of unflattering shambling photos. All it took was one guy saying, we can help you look better (appealing to his ego) and voila, embarrassing staged pap photos. I mean if the guy had shaved, got a haircut, put on a clean white shirt, rolled up the sleeves, khakis, he’d have looked a million times better. Not svelte, but better. Add a wide-brimmed straw hat and sunglasses. But he was pissed that Doria was getting the first class British embassy treatment and he was hung out to dry.

For someone who loves the attention of any photographers, her insane reaction to a few harmless photos of her father (and they were harmless) was way, way, over the top.

For her to carry that grudge over these years and refuse to have anything to do with him even after his extreme health concerns shows her to be a one cold, vindictive, uncaring bitch.

For Harry to not ever even been courteous enough to meet her father, shows that Harry is rude, stupid and completely under the thumb of his fiancee/wife. He's a fool.

His foolishness will be made plain to him (if it has not already become clear) when her vindictiveness will be directed at him when he tries to escape. And sadly, I think his connection to his children may be severed, as coldly and completely as his wife severed her connection to her father.

It's the kids (assuming they exist) that are innocents in this whole thing. Pictures of her with her baby (at the polo match and later on in Canada when (surprise!) a group of photographers found her walking the dogs, with the baby dangling half in and half out of a baby carrier) show someone greatly lacking in any sort of maternal instinct.

Poor kids.

She's not compassionate. Nobody who knows anything about her would think she is.

The wedding: Even before the pap drama, her father hadn't met Harry. She was clearly going to grift him. He never received an invite as she said it got lost in the post.

[quote] For her to carry that grudge over these years and refuse to have anything to do with him even after his extreme health concerns shows her to be a one cold, vindictive, uncaring bitch.

You mean the way that Waity Katie ghosted her Uncle Gary from Big Brother?? LOL.

Kate won't have a goddamned thing to do with her embarrassing uncle.

So let's not pretend that she's so "above it all."

Yeah. An uncle is the same as a father.

[quote] Yeah. An uncle is the same as a father.

We're talking about holding grudges, dumbshit.

Who said she's ghosted him, r278? Gary only has wonderful things to say about his niece and is critical of Harry and Meghan. It's not really in your favour to try to use Gary to "burn" Catherine and get points for Harry and Meghan. ITV was obviously trying to create some scandal to get viewers, hence Lorraine and Russell's breathless attempts at being salacious, but Gary just didn't provide it. In fact, he was very discreet.

Shame for your lot that Gary's appearance on Celebrity Big Brother did not create any trouble whatsoever for Catherine and the rest of the royal family. On the other hand, he only goes to show just how ordinary Catherine's background is.

Crimes against fashion...

Does Stevie Wonder choose her clothes?

Her Urkel pants are hilarious.

She's always remarkably poorly dressed even for a D-List Duchess.

Kate's Uncle Gary was at her wedding.

It's pointless bothering to engage with someone who doesn't know the meaning of the word "ghost", who uses "LOL" and whose insult du jour is "dumbshit".

Yes, R278 is the personification of "stupid".

So you don't admire warriors who fight vigorous battles on behalf of cunty millionaires?

.What I don't do, R287, is engage with people who make no sense, of which your post R281 is a perfect example.

I know that you know what you mean. I don't. No big deal in the scheme of things, though.

[quote]Prince Harry Shares Why He Won't Bring Meghan Markle Back to the U.K.: 'It's Still Dangerous'

Yes it probably is but, really, how much harm can she actually do in a few days?

'RUDE' Meghan Markle and Prince Harry GRILLED by Angela Levin for 'PLAYING royals' on Colombia tour.

Prince Harry shares why he won’t bring Meghan Markle back to U.K.- ‘’She’s hideous inside and out.’’

Prince Harry divulges to his favorite news outlet People Magazine the real reason he won't bring Meg Markle to the UK -- find out the truth when you subscribe for a mere 8,000 pesos a month

[quote]Prince Harry Shares Why He Won't Bring Meghan Markle Back to the U.K.: 'It's Still Dangerous'

Her pussy stinks, and I'm afraid she'll be cited as a public nuisance. It's not as if we have cash for that.

At this point William goading his father into removing the Duke and Duchess titles would be sweet. Or Charles dying and William going scorched earth on them.

No need to remove their defunct titles. They will eventually wither away and then die altogether. They are already completely irrelevant.

I think it would be more fun, if they replaced the Duke and Duchess titles and lowered their rank, saying Harry's now the Earl of DUMBarton.

Video was interesting-they could really be in the soup with King Charles.

[quote] Video was interesting-they could really be in the soup with King Charles.

What does "in the soup" mean?

R297 was so old and died before explanation could be posted so we’ll never know what that ancient expression meant.

R299, it seemed obvious from the context: “in the soup” = “in trouble.”

Idiom dictionaries say it's an expression from the late 1800s.

How quaint.

Now people would just say, "They're fucked."

Now the gossip is William will not have Harry at his coronation. With Charles health concerns it might be sooner rather than later. Harry might very well be relieved that he does not get an invitation. Or Harry could get an invitation with no plus one. 'No Trashy Trollops or Livestock Will be Permitted to Enter the Abbey.'

[quote] Or Harry could get an invitation with no plus one. 'No Trashy Trollops or Livestock Will be Permitted to Enter the Abbey.'

You hear that, Fergie?

[quote] Now the gossip is William will not have Harry at his coronation. With Charles health concerns it might be sooner rather than later.

Presumptuous for a bald man.

Well, William could invite Harry, then seat him in a back row, behind a very large pillar or some other obstacle, and pay three women in the row ahead pf him to wear very big hats. .. By that time, I imagine the media and audience are going to be far more interested in George, Charlotte, and Louis anyway.

I believe that tea, and relatedly, pray the Harolds' thrilling love story binds them together forever and ever.

Increasing buzz that Netflix is ending it's relationship with H&M and that Meghan's cooking show might never see the light of day.

I’m not surprised that her cooking show may not manifest, there are only so many things that you can do with a banana.

Someone finally put it together that Meghan can't cook.

How sick is Charles really?

R310 he's been seen in public pretty much all week although he's officially been on his annual summer holidays, for what that's worth.

There are people on these threads who are gagging for a royal funeral - first it was the Princess of Wales, who didn't co-operate by dying as expected. Now these ghouls are saying that The King is allegedly "being made comfortable" - the implication being a Balmoral death bed. Yet he's managed to be seen, upright, walking around and doing his work as Head of State, as he did yesterday, paying his respects to the three little girls killed in Southport.

I doubt that he's on his last legs.

It's the timing of the 'Charles is planning his funeral" blurbs; when the Harolds swan around acting stupid their crap PR typically engineer dramatic lies about his brother, MIL, SIL, and this time his father.

Aren't monarchs and/or their staff members always planning their funerals? They're pretty big events.

Meghan's cooking show: "Now you take your steaming hot cup of tea (here's one I prepared earlier) and throw it at that uppity underling!"

Exactly, R313 - I’m not sure when they first start planning but I do know that sitting down with the Monarch of the day and updating the plans is an annual event. Which is why the British can swing into action for a global event like a funeral in a week or so, and have it run like clockwork.

If it is pancreatic cancer you can do well for a while. Alex Trebek continued hosting Jeopardy after his diagnosis and had chemo just like Charles. But there is the time when you suddenly go into a very steep fast decline. I saw it with a member of my family. I also believe Trebek lasted for two years. The decline is horrible. The cancer is a death sentence.

The late Queen had a fabulous send-off; I live for the kind of pageantry and ceremony that the British do so very well.

The documentary on Donna Reed said she was having stomach pains. She went with her husband to the doctor. The doctor came out and told the husband she had pancreatic cancer. The husband said so what do we do now. The doctor said 'Nothing. She'll be dead in a month.' And she died a month later. Charles was lucky they found it early(if it is pancreatic cancer. There has been no official word.) It gives him plenty of time to prepare.

Who decided he has pancreatic cancer despite having never seen his medical records?

It happened to my ex. Gone about 2 months after the diagnosis. Catch it early and you have a fighting chance but usually its too late once one feels symptoms. I wonder how many of the longer term survivors discovered it by fluke through some other medical procedure.

Nobody knows it is being kept a secret exactly what kind of cancer he has. But there is speculation it is bladder or pancreatic.

Doesn’t matter what cancer it is, we just want a magnificent funeral, damn it!

What does “light of day” mean?

It’s such an ancient expression, nobody will ever know.

R322 Idiom dictionary.

Would you like someone to Google that for you, R322?

There shouldn't be such a royal British monarch funeral for like another 3 generations.

Great suggestion, R326! Like, totally well thought out.

R326, do you understand what you wrote?

R326 is the best example I've ever seen of why Americans shouldn't ever comment on anything outside of America.

R326 has brought me joy. For all the wrong reasons, obviously, but “joy” nevertheless.

For definition of “irony impaired,” see r324 r325

Nice try, R331.

Harry is surplus to requirements. George, Charlotte and Louis fill the "heir" needs more than adequately. There is no need for two children from California to ever go near the royal family.

UK here. Nobody apart from readers of the Daily Heil is interested in this, it’s old news. Harry fucked himself up so badly he’s beyond redemption.

"Charles's funeral plans actually began long before his coronation. Events like this aren't just something one can throw together at the last minute; there are protocols to follow, guests to invite, security to arrange, and military drills to practice. The "Operation Menai Bridge" plan, as Charles's funeral is codenamed, was already hundreds of pages long when Queen Elizabeth died; the very day after her own service, officials began reviewing the document and making revisions. Chief among the concerns is ensuring a strong police presence; as a military source told the Daily Beast, "[Y]ou need a giant security operation because every VVIP on the planet is there. ...The whole thing goes from flash to bang in under two weeks, which means every aspect of it needs to be meticulously planned in advance."

R335, and William and Catherine have been rehearsing for years.

I condole you, Harry.