Mayor Pete is open to being Kamala's VP pick!

Glad to see Rachel invited him on her show.

I remember four years ago, Dataloungers kept insisting that she hated him.

According to Jim Clyburn:

[quote]Clyburn discussed three governors contending to be Harris' running mate should she secure the Democratic nomination: Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear and North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper.

He is the most competent to lead, but let's face a lot of people won't vote for a gay man.

"It's not yet time !" they said. Until it was.

Tired of Clyburn running his mouth.

LGBT rights are on the chopping block as well this election cycle. It’s imperative that the community stops relying on actions from straights and starts demanding top tier representation.

If not a VP slot, then a slot on the Supreme Court.

Buttigieg should be a contender. He has more than held his own alongside Republicans MANY times. The others have yet to prove themselves. We’re gonna ignore him because he’s gay?

Which group of voters would he add to her vote that she doesn’t already have?

[quote] Buttigieg should be a contender. He has more than held his own alongside Republicans MANY times. The others have yet to prove themselves. We’re gonna ignore him because he’s gay?

AGREED!

Any reason a person might give for not having Pete on the ticket, could be given for Kamala not being on the ticket.

He's gay.

Well, she's Black, Indian, and female.

So what's the difference?

It would be historic.

I think the country is ready for this.

Which would the others add?

They’re all in Tim Kaine territory

Not going to happen. Mainstream America is not ready for Pete. I'm not sure if America is ready for a woman either mind you. We will see.

It would be a winner, but only on DL.

And no, it will not be happening. This is not that country, at least not yet.

It's stupid. It's silly. It's not fair. But yes, she will have to find a very conventional straight white guy to "offset" everything about her. Does it make any sense? In politics, yes, it sadly does.

No to Pete. Kamala needs to pick a straight white guy if she wants a fighting chance to win.

Do you even hear yourselves?

The Black/Indian female doesn't think the country is ready for a gay white male VP nom.

That's LUDICROUS.

I don't think he would deliver Indiana.

[quote] The Black/Indian female doesn't think the country is ready for a gay white male VP nom.

I think it is the presumptively gay participants in this discussion that don't think the country is ready for a gay white male VP. Trust us.

Yes, r14, we think the combination of a black woman who, well, rather suddenly became the nominee, combined with a gay VP candidate, might not be the absolute best combo right now. Yes, in dingbatville that's all fine and nobody can possibly object to any of it, but honestly, in reality, there will be enough objections to Kamala herself that it might be nice not to add difficulties right now.

I still think she can actually win this thing, but not by entertaining fantasies all over the place. And Pete has plenty of time himself to get what he wants, eventually.

Chasten is planning for Plan B if Pete loses the nomination and comes home angry.

[quote]Chasten is planning for Plan B if Pete loses the nomination and comes home angry.

Plan B: knocking the twins out with children's Benadryl, pre-lubing, and trying not to cry into his chocolate chip cookie batter.

I don't think it should be Shapiro, the Repubs and far left would use the Gaza thing as a distraction.

The Republican's dream ticket.

[quote]The Republican's dream ticket.

I want to add, not necessarily because of their demographics, but because anything that has failed under their watch is well-known and has been amplified already, far more than anyone else in the administration. The two of them together would be the easiest to portray as incompetent without having to start from scratch with someone less known nationally.

"An uppity black woman and a gay man. I LOVE THIS"------------Every Republican

I am a gay man. I will never vote for Pete. Ever. If Kamala is stupid enough to put him on the ticket she deserves to lose. Petes Kryptonite is WOMEN. They mop him up. Klobachar. Tulsi. Margaret Brennan.

Pete is the Glen Powell of politics = He is trying way too hard and a little bit goes a long way. Overrated. Fake.

[quote]Petes Kryptonite is WOMEN. They mop him up. Klobachar. Tulsi. Margaret Brennan.

It's nice to see a brainiac who thinks he's superior brought low.

r12 You're in la la land, sadly

[quote]I don't think it should be Shapiro, the Repubs and far left would use the Gaza thing as a distraction.

How so?

Pete takes all the credit for getting tough on the airlines when he was actually doing nothing to help passengers until the Congressional Progressive Caucus called him out. Specifically Ro Kanna (D-Ca).

[quote]Pete takes all the credit for getting tough on the airlines when he was actually doing nothing to help passengers until the Congressional Progressive Caucus called him out. Specifically Ro Kanna (D-Ca).

I saw in the article about the current Delta debacle that Pete spoke with the Delta CEO:

[quote]Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg spoke to Delta CEO Ed Bastian on Sunday about the airline’s high number of cancellations since Friday. Buttigieg said his agency had received “hundreds of complaints” about Delta, and he expects the airline to provide hotels and meals for travelers who are delayed and to issue quick refunds to customers who don’t want to be rebooked on a later flight.

However, it says that the CEO told his employees that he practically told Buttigieg to fuck off. There's no fear of Buttigieg.

[quote]Bastian said in a video for employees that he told Buttigieg, “You do not need to remind me. I know, because we do our very best, particularly in tough times, taking care of our customers.”

Mrs Vance has a law degree. She raises three children. She works. Do we see any of that at Petes one bedroom apartment? Pete is just another snobby gay. He isn't the "future" of the Democratic Party. He doesn't do anything for the gay community. zilch.

Many black voters have a problem with Harris. Adding Buttigieg to the ticket would further diminish it. He is not at all popular with them.

[quote]I'm not sure if America is ready for a woman either mind you. We will see.

Hillary won the Popular Vote. America can handle a female president.

some of you have the pollyanna political rhetoric of crystal rainbow sparkle pony girleens

[quote] A Black/Indian female President and a Gay male Vice-President. I think it could be a winner.

I wish I shared your optimism

[quote]Many black voters have a problem with Harris.

Based on the response she's been getting over the past 2 days, Harris seems to be off to a very good start.

[quote]Mayor Pete is open

Pics please.

[quote]Mayor Pete is open to being Kamala's VP pick!

I'm sure others are as well. Andy Beshear was on Morning Joe yesterday and pretty said the same thing when asked.

[quote]Many Black voters have a problem with Harris

Cut the bull shit and go to bed, MAGAbilly.

I hear the Duchess of Sussex is angling for a Vicess position on the ticket.

I think it's going to be Mark Kelly.

Of course he is. When has he ever not been open to an unearned promotion?

Rachel looks so fresh in that thumbnail, what's her secret? Under-eye concealer? Skin-tinted lip balm? Could it really be that simple?

I doubt it would be Pete. I do think Pete would hand V.D. Vance his ass on a plate in a debate though.

....now where are Geo Clooney and Obama on this? Surely they're not working behind the scenes to cancel Kamala as well???

^ forgot to add I'm not American.

He might want to try winning a state or federal office first.

Not going to happen. She needs a hetrosexual ,white, married Midwestern family man over 45 to Garner the vote from certain demographics.

I have not heard any recent comments about whether Kamala and Pete are friendly. I do seem to recall Pete helped Kamala in her V.P. debate preparation against Mike Pence.

I think she should tap Beto O’Rourke. He would really make JD look like the elitist jerk he is. GOP will resort to ridiculous attacks on him - like that he isn’t a serious enough guy because he skateboards.

[quote]I think she should tap Beto O’Rourke

BWAAAAH. Loser.

[quote]It would be historic. I think the country is ready for this.

Which country in particular?

He's 42. He's got a decade to build a track record, credibility and familiarity. He's smart, but so far, he's mostly talk. He needs a Senate seat and two elections to it.

I would like to see Pete President one day but this election is too important for experimentation, we are already going to try to elect the first woman and first black woman and first Asian woman, I like Kamala but America has shown a reluctance to elect women, and even many women are reluctant to vote for women, I don't get it. Of course the Republicans are trying to elect the first convicted felon, but they don't care they are in love.

Why does Rachel have to be so weird when someone asks her to call them by their first name?

He said he wasn't there as Transportation Secretary so just to call him Pete. Instead of just saying okay she had to make a big deal out of it. Something about I can't do that so I will just not call you anything. Grow up Rachel.

Would Kamala call Pete "that little gay boy?"

[quote] Why does Rachel have to be so weird when someone asks her to call them by their first name?

Call me by your name, and I'll call you by mine.....

No. It needs to be Shapiro-

[quote] Many black voters have a problem with Harris. Adding Buttigieg to the ticket would further diminish it. He is not at all popular with them.

No problem serious enough to prevent them from voting for Kamala for President. Never second guess Black people, they always unite behind Black candidates who are not sellouts.

I would LOVE to have a black woman as president, & a gay man as vice president, but, let's face facts... We live in a country that's turning into an ultra right wing cesspool, we need a straight, white male as the Democratic nominee, anyone else is a vote for the Apricot Anti-Christ.

SHAPIRO.

It's not the first time Pete has left his door wide open.....if you know what I mean.

[quote] It's not the first time Pete has left his door wide open.....if you know what I mean.

[quote] —C

Bitch, I'm the top and you know it.

Now bend over and shut the fuck up!

[quote]No to Pete. Kamala needs to pick a straight white guy if she wants a fighting chance to win.

I heard a pundit say on MSNBC the other night that picking Pete for VP might not be a good idea because, with Kamala, that would be two people from the Biden administration on the ticket and it would be better to have it be someone from the outside.

Pete has never won a state office. Buttigieg can't even get elected Senator. ANYwhere. He sure isn't going on a VEEP ticket.

Pete always looks like he's enjoying his butt plug just a little too much.

That's a bad thing?

[quote] Andy Beshear was on Morning Joe yesterday and pretty said the same thing when asked.

Andy is my pick for who will be the VP.

Pete either fucks Chasten or lets Chasten fuck him. Either way, that's the kind of bad judgement we don't need on the ticket.

[quote]R9 I'm not sure if America is ready for a woman either, mind you.

I’m depressed thinking how Hillary was the obvious choice between her and Mr. Trump before, yet she still didn’t win.

Have we changed that much?

Two childless cat ladies

[quote]He is the most competent to lead

He’s been incompetent at almost everything he’s done so far.

We all can’t be perfect like him.

I must admit, I've always wanted to be First Lady!

R67 = I am with you. Hillary was way more qualified than Kamala. And she lost. I just see this being 2016 all over again. Biden won in 2020 partially because there was a pandemic and NOT a cure (at the time). When it came to the Covid, Joe was the voice of reason while Trump was the voice of chaos. Those days are gone and I don't see Kamala winning.

Hillary lost because she didn’t understand the electorate. She spent way too much of her at Hollywood fundraisers hanging out with celebrities, while her campaign ignored Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. She arrogantly assumed she had those states locked down and didn’t need to waste time campaigning there. She found out otherwise on election night. Biden didn’t make that same mistake in 2020, and Harris won’t either.

Chasten will wear a pillbox hat to the inauguration.

[quote]Rachel looks so fresh in that thumbnail, what's her secret? Under-eye concealer? Skin-tinted lip balm?

Please take this to the tired MSNBC threads.

The naysayers' opinions are no more predictive than those of the Harris optimists; no one can be certain of the election results until the morning of November 6 (if then).

Stop the stress-invoking, determined speculation. Instead, do what you can to help your party and candidates be it monetarily or hands-on. Go out and about enjoying the summer and fall. Limit the time spent arguing about politics.

Be kind. Live.

Pete is great in media and in debates, but, get real, OP. Just because you have this unrequited crush on him does not mean he has ANY electoral advantage. Picking Pete while ignoring Kelly, Shapiro, Beshear, Pritzker would be utterly insane. Y'all need to stop thinking with your limp dicks and start thinking like Nancy -- she knows it's all about the numbers, it's all about winning.

[quote] Y'all need to stop thinking with your limp dicks and start thinking like Nancy

I AM thinking like a Nancy!

That's why I want Pete to be Vice President.

[quote] Hillary was the obvious choice between her and Mr. Trump before, yet she still didn’t win. Have we changed that much?

Hillary was the obvious choice and nearly everyone thought she was going to win on election day but Republicans did a really good job of making her look dirty with an assist from Jim Comey and Putin. Even Trump thought he was going to lose the election in 2016. I think a lot of people didn't vote because they already thought Hilary was a lock to win. I just don't think Democrats will make that mistake again but if anyone can figure out a way to lose an election the Democrats can.

She's already out on a limb being bi-racial and female. If she picks a female (or gay) they will be perceived as weak. If she picks a minority, the majority whites will think, "They're taking over".

And if they're gay, black and female (Stacey Abrams) it will be a win for Trump/Vance 79%.

Stacey Abrams is a lesbian??

WHAT??

bad idea

the WOKE ticket won't win

[quote]R76 Stop the stress-invoking, determined speculation. Instead, do what you can to help your party and candidates be it monetarily or hands-on.

One thing we can all do is remind everyone here that JD Vance is no relation to OUR Vivian Vance!

Don’t let them be sucked into voting just for sentiment’s sake!

I like Pete, but he would be a losing choice.

A black woman and gay man on a presidential ticket is not a winning combination in the US in 2024.

Self-righteous indignation and wishful thinking are not substitutes for political strategy.

^^^^ troof

anytime we're evaluating politicians primarily on their 'identity', we're losing

I look forward to the day that any gay man will not have to face butt jokes, especially on gay sites, but I don't expect that to ever happen in my lifetime. smh

[quote] Self-righteous indignation and wishful thinking are not substitutes for political strategy.

How dare you!

How VERY dare you!

[quote]I think she should tap Beto O’Rourke.

I think Pete should tap Beto O'Rourke. I would pay cash money to see that.

R79 Hillary needed no help looking dirty.....she wore it like a shield. Stupid entitled cunt.

Hillary ALWAYS had some new scandal following her around.

Hillary picked a boring white guy and it did her no good whatsoever. I also think anyone willing to vote for the black and Indian woman with the Jewish husband is probably not gonna look at Pete and think "now *this* is too much." Let's also not forget either that Pete's Fox town halls received standing ovations and that he won/tied in Iowa. He's great at talking to exactly the midwestern white people that we need in order to win in this election. That being said, I'm sure he still has very little shot at it.

[quote] Hillary picked a boring white guy and it did her no good whatsoever.

EXACTLY!

The "safe choice" is not the way to go this year.

Americans want change from the same old, same old.

That's why Barack Obama got elected in 2008.

I think that Harris/Buttigieg could be a winning ticket in 2024.

Give the voters a little more credit.

We need to GO BIG!

The voters, R93, and their big thinking, are, bar one poll, voting in favor of Trump at the present time. I know it's exciting days, I pray for good things, but I think you're getting carried away with just how much change the voters aren't getting credit for.

Well-said IMO, R15! 👌

I'd love to see Pete on the ticket, I would love to see him as president, but it's not going to happen. It's going to be two more generations until a gay man can be elected.

Please god no.

Amy/R97, could you recommend a good stapler?

Also, which is better, a desk stapler, or a staple gun?

What's best for disciplining back talking interns?

As much as I love and admire Pete, I don’t think America will vote for a gay Prez or VP, at least not in my remaining years (I am eldergay) . I would so love to be wrong.

I think his day could come. I do. But it will take a woman to smash the presidential stereotype first and Pete's got to be able to demonstrate more than just being a good talker. He's great, but that's pretty much it so far. Senate, Governor, something... but something more.

As a gay man, I am all for Pete. I don't want to say that "it's not his time." I just think that we have other considerations and winning is absolutely essential--we must! Pete being gay isn't necessarily the overriding factor that he should not be on ticket. I suppose being gay is a big factor, but he just doesn't help the Dems win. This is not a normal election. We need the strongest candidate to defeat Trump, and Pete isn't it. The stakes are too high this time around. After Kamala's two terms as president, it may be Pete's time in 2032--and he's still young enough.

So in a way, it's not Pete's time, but it's also not Gavin Newsom's or Gretchen Whitmer's time either. We need the strongest candidate. Kamala happened to be the vice-president. She is at the right place at the right time.

For a little perspective...it's not RFK Jr's time either.

LINK.....[bold] NBC News reports Pete isn't even in Kamalas Top Five (Shapiro. Gretchen. Cooper. Beshear. Walz). [/bold].....This is just Pete Hype. And overplayed at that. I wouldn't be surprised if Pete is adding "Potential Veep Candidate" to his resume on Wiki.

He makes the most sense.

[quote] NBC News reports Pete isn't even in Kamalas Top Five (Shapiro. Gretchen. Cooper. Beshear. Walz)

That sucks.

Beshear is the only other person besides Pete, that I would want to see as Vice-President.

I really don't understand why he's being overlooked. Pete is as good, if not better than the people listed.

To all the commenters concern trolling about how a woman can't win because Hillary lost:

Hillary Clinton won the Popular Vote by several million votes.

R102 - did you watch your own link?

It reports that Cooper, Shapiro, Walz, Whitmer & Kelly (not Beshear) were the ones that sources said vetting materials were requested.

Beshear and Butugeg were in the "speculation" category.

He comes across as smarmy and unlikable. He talks a good game but usually demonstrates incompetence when he has an actual to do.

Mayor Pete got 1% of the black vote in the Dem primaries 4 years ago and 2% of the latino vote.

She ain't picking him.

Beshear is much better than Pete. I think Pete is someone who has a lot of potential but maybe not in a presidential/vp role.

There's a huge problem with gays in the black community. It just is what it is.

So Pete has fucked 1 black guy and 2 latinos?

Sorry, but this is not the time to take a risk like that.

There's picking a white guy and there's picking white bread. I don't think Andy Beshear is ready for the big time.

She's got some other options that seem able to hit the ground running.

[quote] I don't think Andy Beshear is ready for the big time.

Which is why he will be VP this time, not president :-)

WaPo examined the seven likely contenders (Shapiro, Kelly, Cooper, Beshear, Walz, Pritzker, Whitmer.) Newsom and Pete got lumped in "Others to keep an eye on: Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, California Gov. Gavin Newsom, Colorado Gov. Jared Polis, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo, retired Navy Adm. William McRaven." None got an analysis.

Here's what they said about Beshear:

What he brings: Beshear’s 2023 win might be the most impressive of any that we’re talking about here. He faced a capable opponent in state Attorney General Daniel Cameron (R) at a time when Democrats were beginning to fret about this year’s elections, and he still won by five points in quite a red state. He’s also young (46) and, like Shapiro, has a reputation for being a constant and reassuring presence at important moments in his state, such as national disasters. While other candidates on this list might appeal to moderate and conservative voters, Beshear looks and acts the part more than others — often invoking his Christian faith.

But he’s still new to the national scene, and sometimes governors who win in tough states don’t have much staying power. While he has been firmly in favor of abortion rights and in line with the left on many issues, governing Kentucky as a Democrat has required some compromises that might not appeal to liberals, including on climate change.

Shapiro came out strongest in the analysis, but Cooper fared well, too.

JOSH!

[quote] While he has been firmly in favor of abortion rights and in line with the left on many issues, governing Kentucky as a Democrat has required some compromises that might not appeal to liberals, including on climate change.

This is the wrong conclusion to arrive at. The correct conclusion is: while he has been firmly in favor of abortion rights and in line with the left on many issues, governing Kentucky as a Democrat has required some compromises that might not appeal to liberals but will certainly appeal to swing voters and even a portion of conservatives.

No, Pete needs to be in place to replace Blinken.

Pete needs to have an understanding of Putin.

R117

Good point. Still think there's better choices but certainly worth considering.

Thanks.

It's weird that WaPo cites Beshear compromising as a bad thing. Kamala is already perceived as a very liberal by a large portion of the electorate (outside of the Squad-supporting Dems). Why would Kamala need a running mate that is equally or more liberal? She needs someone who can help her appeal to swing states and even conservative states. And Beshear is the best choice of the bunch for that. If Beshear found success in Kentucky--one of the most conservative Republican states in the nation--he can absolutely appeal to those who are undecided or uncomfortable voting for a more left-wing candidate.

y'all just think he's hot.

I think WaPo was probably looking at it through the lens of party unity... everyone must be skeptical the current unity can endure.

R122, I think it will be like in 2016 where almost all people who are left-leaning will throw their support for the Dems since it's going to be "anyone but Trump again". Choosing a VP that can appeal to swing voters will be critical.

[quote] Mayor Pete got 1% of the black vote in the Dem primaries 4 years ago and 2% of the latino vote.

Then let Kamala focus on black and Latino voters, and Pete can try to bring in white independents.

Simple.

Pete won Iowa, which is one more than Kamala ever won in 2020.

Hillary went with the ‘safe’ straight, white, male and where did that get us?

At this point, it’s time to swing for the fences. Pete is the best and most effective communicator in the Democratic Party today. They’d be foolish not to unleash that on JD Vance or whatever his real name is.

Also, the American people need to be reminded there is a difference between gay and LGBTQ.

ok, harvey...

not.

[quote]Also, the American people need to be reminded there is a difference between gay and LGBTQ.

Yes, and this is exactly the moment to do it.

Do you want to win or do you want to righteous?

Hillary's defeat had nothing to with Tim Kaine.

Wrong r128. While Kaine didn’t hurt her, he did not help her either.

And so something neither harmful nor helpful played into her defeat? I think what you're trying to describe is another bad decision by the Clinton campaign.

[quote] Hillary's defeat had nothing to with Tim Kaine.

The point is, he brought nothing to the ticket.

He was supposed to "reassure" independents and white voters that even with a female President, that a "straight, white male" would still be in the mix so that they wouldn't have to "worry."

But that didn't help her at all.

And that's what they're trying to do this year. They want to saddle her with another straight white male to "reassure" voters that they don't have to be afraid of the scary black/Indian female President.

That doesn't work!

If you're going to be groundbreaking, then BE GROUNDBREAKING.

Put Pete on the ticket and show America that they have nothing to fear from people who are GAY, BLACK, INDIAN, or FEMALE.

How's that for a great message?

And once they actually get to know Kamala and Pete, then THAT will be their selling point, because they're both really great and really smart people.

Damn, some of you are so stuck in the past!

It's the most naive message I can imagine in the current political climate.

America, you have nothing to fear!

Yeah, a country where Trump leads most polls is wide open to don't worry, be happy.

Again: do you want to win or do you want to be righteous? I know the answer. I can see you November 5th: this country deserves what it got, blah, blah, blah. You're a delightful optimist, but a lousy strategist. And if I'm wrong and you're right, why are most of the potential nominees guys who fit my theory and not yours?

I agree with both of you — go big or go home AND America is not yet ready for Pete. Both can be true, sorry kids. It’s not Pete’s time (yet) but we will live to see it now.

[quote]She needs someone who can help her appeal to swing states and even conservative states. And Beshear is the best choice of the bunch for that.

She’s not going to win “conservative states”. Those states will vote red and she will get zero of those electoral votes. Bashear gets her zero electoral votes.

The states she needs are PA, MI, and WI. Specifically moderates and suburban white women. The VP who gets her those votes is Josh Shapiro.

[quote] And once they actually get to know Kamala and Pete, then THAT will be their selling point, because they're both really great and really smart people.

They can also support and defend each other from the inevitable attacks that will come their way.

Kamala Harris is going to need someone in the White House to "have her back," and I think that Pete will definitely be that person.

I think they could bond through shared experience.

Or Bershear or Cooper or Kelly. Each complements her in different ways. There is a luxury of choice. There is no right answer and there is no wrong answer.

And maybe the Director of Comms can come from the Hallmark Channel and Kamala and Pete can wear matching sweaters! Christ, the rose colored glasses....

[quote]The states she needs are PA, MI, and WI. Specifically moderates and suburban white women. The VP who gets her those votes is Josh Shapiro.

A JEW? hahahahaaha!

[quote] the states she needs are PA, MI, and WI. Specifically moderates and suburban white women.

And those are groups that Pete does well with. The group he generally doesn't do well with is people of color, but I don't think they'll pass on voting for Kamala if he's VP.

Everyone also keeps talking about abortion being something Kamala is uniquely qualified to speak about because she's a woman. Let's not forget that the Supreme Court has already hinted at wanting to get rid of gay marriage, which is something most Americans now support. I think having Pete out there as a reminder that the Republicans want to take away another basic right doesn't hurt.

Shapiro

[quote] Everyone also keeps talking about abortion being something Kamala is uniquely qualified to speak about because she's a woman. Let's not forget that the Supreme Court has already hinted at wanting to get rid of gay marriage, which is something most Americans now support. I think having Pete out there as a reminder that the Republicans want to take away another basic right doesn't hurt.

That's an excellent point, R139.

And you're right about Black voters sticking with Kamala no matter who she picks as a running mate, because they'll be loyal to her.

So it doesn't really matter if they support Pete or not, because she'll still get their vote.

As others have stated, Beshear will not help us fortify the blue wall any better than Josh, BUT Josh will guarantee PA. We are lucky to be fighting over multiple, talented people. We are in a strong position. They will announce the pick at the convention, and I believe Barack will announce his endorsement there too. It might be more exciting or at least as exciting as when Barack hit his first presidential convention too. Americans have not been this unified and excited since either 2001 or 2008. People are finally happy again.

josh is a jew that supports sexual harassment offenders...not happening.

I was perusing the Pennsylvania subreddit yesterday. They absolutely love Shapiro. They would rather he remained Governor but, if it keeps Dump out of the WH they are all for him being VP.

R143, get the fuck out. Why NOT a Jew? Queers for Palestinians is not a threat, the average Joe still supports Israel because of 9/11. Josh has spoken out against how Israel has hurt Palestinians too. Second, he had a staffer who harassed someone, and he did the right thing by paying out to a victim — no leader should be crossed off this list because of a minor blip like a settlement for something they had zero to do with.

No more bullshit purity tests. Josh is more forceful than Beshear. Fuck, voters in GA put a Jew in the Senate! America is sick of identity politics. They will love Shapiro because of his policy (which is so balanced), his tone (which is aggressive without hate), and his track record (he has done big things in PA that his voters love). Make it about what he has done, not his faith, who CARES if he’s fucking Jewish???? The only people who care are MAGATS! Dem voters and Independents will absolutely support a Jew, GTFOH with your fear-mongering.

But again, whomever she picks will be good. Each person brings different gifts, I will be very happy no matter who they pick as VP.

R145 the last time a Democrat picked a Jewish VP nominee, it was a disaster.

I dare say that Joe Lieberman was the reason why Al Gore lost the election in 2000.

And we all know what happened a few years later, when Lieberman left the Democratic party and became a Republican.

No thank you!

The problem with Lieberman was not that he was Jewish.

Though it was a stupid choice on Gore's part for many reasons.

R146, the problem wasn't Lieberman being Jewish. The problem is that Lieberman was shit.

The Democratic Party didn’t have so many young antisemites when Lieberman was nominated compared to now. The college age ones are ready to do pogroms.

You all need to get out of your liberal coastal upper middle class bubbles and see how the majority of Americans live and think. It's not pretty.

I hope Kamala picks whomsoever she chooses.

I would love for the elections to be about policies and not identities R57.

Pete can be Gavin Newsom's vp in 2032.

[quote]Let's not forget that the Supreme Court has already hinted at wanting to get rid of gay marriage, which is something most Americans now support.

[quote]America is sick of identity politics.

[quote]You all need to get out of your liberal coastal upper middle class bubbles and see how the majority of Americans live and think.

She's my daughter! She's my sister!

If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on there being a substantial difference between supporting and caring.

Pete Buttigieg "wants it bad."

[quote]Pete Buttigieg "wants it bad."

Well, nobody wants him or his fat husband.

[quote] America is sick of identity politics.

Unless they are using identity politics to attack any Democrats.

R158, isn’t that “live by the sword, die by the sword”?

[quote] Pete can be Gavin Newsom's vp in 2032.

Oh, now THAT's hot!

I just wish Josh Shapiro was better-looking. He looks like a beaver and his glasses are too small.

(Yes, I'm a longtime DL'er, why do you ask?)

Why didn't Andy Beshea's parents get him some orthodontic work

Kamala- like Hillary- likes to laugh and have a good time. They will be spending lots of time together. She's not going to pick a surly bore.

[quote] Why didn't Andy Beshea's parents get him some orthodontic work

He's from Kentucky.

[quote] Kamala- like Hillary- likes to laugh and have a good time.

They both love a good CACKLE!

cooper

Petes next husband is going to have a law degree and look a lot more like this and a lot less Hooterville. wait and see. Chasten is first husband material. Guys like Pete always trade up. He's going places. The only place Chasten is going is Michigan to raise the twins and collect the child support.

Pete will make a great Secretary of State.

Katie Porter will make a great Secretary of the Treasury.

Forgive me, I didn't read the thread -- I only read the OP. But I fail to see what you guys see in this twat. He was a small-town mayor. That's it.

And talk about a DEI hire! This guy has no experience whatsoever that qualifies him to be the Transportation Secretary. If he weren't gay, he'd be nothing to anyone (except his husband and his adopted kids).

So get over yourselves, gentlemen, and find another gay politician to support. Here's an idea -- talk Cory Booker out of the closet. That man is a politician.

[quote]Pete will make a great Secretary of State.

That goes in the same bucket as "Dr. Jill Biden will make a great surgeon-general."

I just love this game of grab a name I like and give 'em a job. It's like a drive by shooting of stupid.

Josh Shapiro is mondo beyondo pro-Israel.

I no longer like him.

Beshear is the winning choice.

R167, who is that? Is he a South African model??

[quote]R169 talk about a DEI hire! This guy has no experience whatsoever that qualifies him to be the Transportation Secretary. If he weren't gay, he'd be nothing to anyone (except his husband and adopted kids).

I’ve been keeping politely silent out of respect for my sister gays here…. but I’ve never quite understood what this guy’s accomplishments or workplace abilities are.

He’s very good at public discourse. His true calling is probably to be a news commentator.

[quote] His true calling is probably to be a news commentator.

How DARE you!

Pete looks like the guy whose never had a black cock. And Chasten looks like the guy who can't wait to get his next one.

[quote]But I fail to see what you guys see in this twat. He was a small-town mayor. That's it.

Secretary Pete manages a department with 59 thousand employees, an 18BILLION dollar budget and directs the 1.2 TRILLION DOLLAR The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

The State of Wyoming has a budget of $3.55B with 600K people.

Being Secretary of Transportation is more powerful than the governors of 17 states with smaller budgets.

Secretary Pete is AWESOME. Plus he speaks Arabic. I can imagine him give the big fuck-u to Hamas and Hezbollah in their own language.

[quote]Plus he speaks Arabic.

Maybe he could be Ambassador to Jordan in the Harris administration.

Ambassador to NATO, or the UN?

But he needs a promotion from Transportation, not a lateral.

Of course he is the most ready to govern. His work at South Bend Indiana as mayor is exactly like being a mayor of NYC, with just less people, or a governor of a large state, with just less people. And it’s just like being a senator when you deal with the local city council.

Being a mayor , even of a small Indiana city, is almost like being president in a much smaller more insignificant way, .

And insiders say his leadership at DoT was Ike like when Ike was running the war in Europe and planning DDay.

DL knows talent DL is not into identity politics .

Secretary Pete manages a department with 59 thousand employees, an 18BILLION dollar budget and directs the 1.2 TRILLION DOLLAR The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act.

The State of Wyoming has a budget of $3.55B with 600K people.

Being Secretary of Transportation is more powerful than the governors of 17 states with smaller budgets.

Secretary Pete is AWESOME. Plus he speaks Arabic. I can imagine him give the big fuck-u to Hamas and Hezbollah in their own language.

Thank God you "its not the right time for a gay men" bed wetters were not at Stonewall in 1969. You would be arguing the same thing how we are in the middle of a war with Vietnam, President Kenedy just assassinated a few years ago, “Midnight Cowboy” is released with an X rating, and therefor we should wait and keep quiet until America accepts us on their own timeline many decades in the future.

17 states none of which have governors that will be vetted for VP by Harris.

Although the insiders say if you want to be on the ticket some day and you can’t get Commerce or Interior the DoT is the next best one.

Tim Kaine was not a random choice by HRC. He quit his job as Chairman of the DNC so that Hillary's campaign manager Debbie W. Schultz could take the position. So let it be written - so let it be done.

Pete is a stud. Those who try to tear him down are just jealous that he cleverly leveraged his education and speaking skills to leapfrog to the top so quickly. That’s what brilliant people do folks! Don’t be so jelly.

I agree, to an extent. he seems like he's maybe bargained VERY hard to get ahead so quickly. hard work, I'm sure, but there is something there. fortunately he's on my side. . . . .

To those of you pushing for Shapiro who is very pro-Israel, Kamala has already put out several statements about the need to stop killing civilians in Gaza, and to stop the attacks on them.

I can't imagine having a President and a Vice-President at odds on such a major policy issue.

[quote] Let me be also very clear, as I’ve said before: We cannot conflate Hamas with the Palestinian people. Hamas is a brutal terrorist organization. Hamas has vowed to repeat October 7 until Israel is annihilated.

[quote] No nation could possibly live with such danger, which is why we support Israel’s legitimate military objectives to eliminate the threat of Hamas.

[quote] President Biden and I have also been clear with the Israeli government in public and in private many times: As Israel defends itself, it matters how.

[quote] The United States is unequivocal: International humanitarian law must be respected. Too many innocent Palestinians have been killed. Frankly, the scale of civilian suffering and the images and videos coming from Gaza are devastating.

[quote] I have spoken with members of the Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim communities of America, including those who have lost loved ones in Gaza and American citizens who were injured and evacuated from Gaza. It is truly heartbreaking.

[quote] As Israel pursues its military objectives in Gaza, we believe Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians.

[quote] So, we all want this conflict to end as soon as possible. And to ensure Israel’s security and ensure security for the Palestinian people, we must accelerate efforts to build an enduring peace. And that begins with planning for what happens the day after the fighting ends.

This is why is has to be Mayor Pete, Beshear, or Kelly.

She can't have the Vice-President undermining her, and you know that's what Shapiro would do.

Pete has his first endorsement article!!!

Yay!!

[quote] Pete Buttigieg's Chances of Being Kamala Harris' Running Mate Skyrocket

I truly hope that Kamala is considering Pete as her running mate.

It would be a historic year for so many different groups of Americans.

A win would be UNBELIEVABLE!

R190 Oh yeah, it doesn't matter whether we win or lose, let's just be politically correct. That'll make us feel real good about ourselves.

Yes and one of those band of groups that it would be historic for , would be the 7.2% of American's who are GBLTIQ++++ , some of whom of course are GOP and others don’t vote at all.

The only question should be—-who helps her win better and nothing else.

The right hates Pete and feel he's a waste of space as Trans Sec. You need a mod who will move the needle with the independents and the undecideds. A progressive ticket will not win this election. Balance is the key.

Pete is not being vetted.

End of story.

President Harris has other goals for him.

[quote] Oh yeah, it doesn't matter whether we win or lose, let's just be politically correct.

It's not being "politically correct" to support who I think is the best person for the job.

Pete has been Mayor of a medium sized US City and also the US Secretary of Transportation.

Kamala didn't have any national credentials before becoming Vice-President.

Also, Pete is a military veteran AND a Harvard Graduate.

This is not "political correctness."

Pete is truly qualified for the job.

So you can just shut the fuck up, you dumb cunt!

A mayor of a medium size city and Sec DOT :-) He sounds like the 2nd coming of FDR And Harvard thrown in for the kill shot.

Amazing he is not being vetted at all.

r196, it is not his time.

I love Pete, but I don't think he's going to appeal to swing state voters.

Says YOU, R197.

And just who the fuck are YOU?

I think Mark Kelly or Josh Shapiro would be a better choice.

Once we get rid of the Electoral College.

That’s a DOA combo.

Plus Pete's husband is quite unattractive.

[quote] Plus Pete's husband is quite unattractive.

So was Karen "Mother" Pence, also from Indiana.

But that never stopped her husband from being VP.

He’s open, that’s for sure.

Mother Pence has such great style!

Has he ever won an election other than Mayor of South Bend??

That’s a no.

All this mean spirited snark bullshit is a HUGE part of the problem. Pete being vetted as a finalist is important. He is better communicator with more media support than ANY of the others, with the exception of perhaps Kelly. He has a military record. He is married (once) with children. He could help deliver the midwest. Not including him in the choices is homophobic & hypocritical for a candidate that is running in part on diversity. He doesn't have to be chosen. Being considered is critical. We are treated as we accept being treated. Gay people who disagree might want to talk to a therapist to get past a little self-loathing.

What those of you living in your liberal coastal bubbles don't seem to understand is that 50% (and perhaps more) of Americans are ignorant idiots who still believe in a magical sky fairy who they think is in charge of their lives.

Pete is not the right choice, as smart and competent as he is, to win this election.

An Indiana boy who could not come remotely close to winning a state wide election in his own state,

[quote] What those of you living in your liberal coastal bubbles don't seem to understand is that 50% (and perhaps more) of Americans are ignorant idiots who still believe in a magical sky fairy who they think is in charge of their lives.

Which is why it's important for upstanding politicians like Pete Buttigieg to be SEEN.

You're not going to change a person's perception of you by HIDING IN A CLOSET.

The more people see him and get to know him, the more they will like Pete.

I am 100% sure of this.

Not gonna happen r211. Not this year.

Pete will have 4-8 years doing something so people can get to know him and like him. DOT is not where up he wants to be.

He sure can’t expect to win Governor or Senator .

Let’s see if he gets any really big job like State, DOD or HHS or maybe be put in charge of the border. The latter job would see what chops he has.

R195 You're obviously the dumbest thick-headed cunt of all time, completely blinded by your wokeness. As others here who are clearly far smarter than you have stated, he would be the wrong choice to defeat Trump. Period. Learn something from those who know better than you.

[quote] Oh yeah, it doesn't matter whether we win or lose, let's just be politically correct.

Pete is NOT a politically correct pick, cant you see from all the hate that a PC pick would be an older straight white male? Pete is a disrupter, he's really good at take the attack to the Republicans. His sexuality is irrelevant.

R215 no one on DL gives a shit about his sexuality. So we know America will not care about his sexuality.

They will just care that he was a mayor of a middling city absolutely no one give a shit about, and a Sec of a Dept no one cares about unless bad things happen, And he is a disrupter and attacks well.

He tore some Frau a new asshole who was a member of the local city council when he was mayor.

In 4-12 years his time will come. And when his time does come I think he will do well.

OP is a troll being ironic.

[quote]Plus Pete's husband is quite unattractive.

That didn't stop us from winning.

R217 is a paranoid schizophrenic with NPD and delusional tendencies, who spends WAY too much time on Datalounge conjuring up conspiracy theories.

Pete is the reason middle America has no problem with old lesbians. But even that took time. We are in a transitional America where everyone will be first class citizens. Not just White Male Evangelicals.

We are in the most amazing period of American evolution. The promise is coming true .

Kevin McCarthy (believe it or not) actually gives a good analysis of the pros and cons of Kamala's possible picks for VP, and he even throws Pete's name into the mix.

[quote]Pete is the reason middle America has no problem with old lesbians.

WTF?? And I suppose my being out and proud since 1972 has nothing to do with it.

Perhaps you're trying to imply that Pete [bold]looks[/bold] like an old lesbian.

^^^^^

Simmer down, grandma!

Pete's not trying to take your job.

Pete just looks like it

[quote]And I suppose my being out and proud since 1972 has nothing to do with it.

Probably not

[quote]Pete just looks like it

By “it”, you mean a rodent.

r222, you internalized my response way too much.

It took years for people to find lesbians non-threatening, it is taking us, gay men, a bit longer.

We will get to where we need to be when two men kiss on film and nobody in the audience goes ewwwww.

We are getting there.

R223? I am not a grandma, thank you very much.

R227? You said [bold]Pete is the reason middle America has no problem with old lesbians.[/bold]

That means, after all these years, it was actually PETE who made me socially acceptable.

Tell me how I could possibly misinterpret that very clear and obvious sentence.

When does she announce her choice- at the convention? Or because it's so late in the game will she as soon as possible?

[quote] no one on DL gives a shit about his sexuality. So we know America will not care about his sexuality.

Exactly. The main thing he has been criticized for on DL has been the terrible job he has done at Transportation, with some smaller criticisms about his appearance and his relationship with Chasten.

R240

Oh my did you that was a serious comment ? It was not. Of course DL cares about Pete's sexuality. If Pete were not gay DL would not give even a little shit about him.

He would just be another straight pol from south bend if he was straight.

[quote] Pete has never won a state office.

Neither had Trump. Or Eisenhower. Who cares?

Exactly, R232.

All of these arguments against Pete being nominated are just bullshit.

If he was not gay, then it wouldn't be an issue for you naysayers.

Period.

Kamala will announce sometime between August 5th and August 7th, and it's not going to be Pete.

[quote]If he was not gay, then it wouldn't be an issue for you naysayers.

The fact that he IS gay is THE issue why America won't elect him. JFC. Do you know how many assholes there are in this country? They're not going to vote for a gay man in the year 2024 no matter how smart or competent he is.

I swear some of you are retarded.

[quote] I swear some of you are retarded.

Nice, R235.

You certainly sound like the voice of reason.

I actually am r236 if you think a gay man can be elected nationally. It ain't gonna happen, unfortunately. It will take two more generations.

I'm a Pete fan, but he's 8-12 years away from the presidency, needs broad experience.

Honestly, Pete reminds me Gov. McGreevey. The fake innocent "family man" persona. Until he wasn't.

Pete is no more fake than anyone posting here.

I would be curious what polls show about average citizens willingness to vote in a gay person as VP? Polls would need to be micro-targeted to really find the most accurate read of voters. My guess is that we would all be surprised at how many voters say “a candidate’s sexuality wouldn’t change my vote”, meaning it would be higher than we all think. But would the margin be high enough to ensure a victory on Election Day? That’s very difficult to say without any data.

Also, I wonder what the polls said about Barack breaking that barrier? I’m not sure it’s Pete’s time yet, though he could be “the one” to break that barrier soon. I guess I would feel better if there were polls, but the Dems don’t have that kind of time right now. I think it’s a risky move to pick him, and I’m an OG Pete fan. I think it’s risky because it can look gimmicky, meaning it can feed the narrative that our candidates are not there of their own merit, that the Dems are installing DEI picks, it’s terrible, but it is a fact it makes us more vulnerable to their attacks. They’re already attacking Kamala in horrific ways.

The only way I think we are ready for Pete is if polls support it too, there is just too much at stake in this moment. Make him SOS as his prize, he deserves it and can handle it for sure. Right now, we must remove all emotion and think strategically. Every single move we make must point us toward victory, there is no margin for a mistake if she’s going to pull it off.

Duty to Warn: though we are all so excited, we are not yet out of the woods on this election, this is seriously an uphill battle with the EC she is facing. Carville is reminding people to not sound “too cool for school” don’t sound cocky because that turns other voters off. We have to stay grounded and work together, especially on our messaging.

[quote] Make him SOS as his prize, he deserves it

Sincere question: why exactly?

Republicans to millennials: We'll place you front and center in our movement.

Democrats to millennials: Eat shit and die.

[quote]The fact that he IS gay is THE issue why America won't elect him. JFC. Do you know how many assholes there are in this country?

The fact that you dont realize 90% of those are MAGA Trumpeiters shows you lack any serious introspection to your comments.

R243 doesn’t get the serous homophobia in the Black community.

Meestr. Buttigieg is not smart like Chinese woman. I marry 80 year old McTurtle to get job, then fund millions to family business back in China. - Elaine Chow, former Secretary of Transpiration.

[quote] R243 doesn’t get the serous homophobia in the Black community.

Even if that's true, they won't turn their backs on Kamala.

Having another President who is part black, outweighs their distaste for gay people.

Their vote for her is a lock. Gay VP nom or not.

If Pete is the pick, R246, they better damned well have done their due diligence & polled the hell out of that issue.

R246 beat me to the punch. If a black woman is on the ticket as President, they wont turn that once in a life time opportunity down because they have issues with a gay man as VP. Especially since we have been told most of that homophobia in the black community is older black folk who know how to keep their eye on the prize to get a black woman in the White House.

[quote]If Pete is the pick, [R246], they better damned well have done their due diligence & polled the hell out of that issue.

Polling rarely ask if a Presidential candidate pic for VP would make them vote for the other side or not vote at all. The reality is VP pics usually have no affect on choice of President. VP pick is highly important to the President since they will basically be their right hand man in most cases. It's less about what votes they can bring in, and more about who could do the job in an emergency and who they could live with for the next 8 years.

Honestly, here is why we need Pete: One of the biggest criticisms of Biden’s campaign was that he offered no vision for the country. Pete’s vision in the 2020 cycle was democracy reform: fixing the court, legislation to address Citizens United and gerrymandering, statehood for DC and Puerto Rico, etc. Not all of those things are easy, but having someone at a high level championing them would have a *huge* impact. Let’s not forget that Biden spoke out in favor of gay marriage just before the 2012 election and not only did it not hurt Obama’s chances, but it became the law of the land a few years later. With the Republicans trying to reshape the country towards autocracy with Project 2025, offering a clear vision for strengthening our democracy would be a huge counterpoint, make the stakes of this election pointedly clear, and generate actual excitement on the left. I don’t see anything in the records of Shapiro, Beshear, etc. that indicates they’d be able to assist with any kind of similar vision.

“Peter reminds me of my son Beau, To me, it’s the highest compliment I can give any man or woman. [bold]And, like Beau, he has a backbone like a RAMROD!,”[/bold] - Joe Biden

Anyone know where I can find that video? My mouth dropped when he said that. It was just before Joe became the nominee and was talking up Pete for a possible job in the White House.

When Obama was considering a bolder choice than Biden for a running mate in '08 he said, "Barack Hussein Obama is change enough." When looking to elect the first woman (of color), that, too, may be change enough.

Barack was a pussy on gay issues. Biden was more evolved and pro-gay than him at the time. The fact that he though his name was "change enough" is pure ego. So that does not mean he was correct in his fear of change.

[quote] When Obama was considering a bolder choice than Biden for a running mate in '08 he said, "Barack Hussein Obama is change enough." When looking to elect the first woman (of color), that, too, may be change enough.

We're past that.

We've now had a black President, and a black/indian female Vice-President, who could be President.

Now it's time for a gay Vice-President.

THAT is the change we need.

The new electorate no longer demands a white inoffensive straight man over 70.

There are plenty more options.

With the stakes as existential as they are, maybe now’s not the time to be planting flags.

Barack was a different time when the goal was to unite the country and appeal to both sides. It's not like that anymore. America is hyper polarized and most of the homophobia I guarantee is on the MAGA side now. I think the acceptance of Pete as a gay man on the ticket would be surprised. Just like everyone was saying "no one like Kamala" and then Democrats all got in line with laser focus and enthusiasm.

Pete could do that same thing is you stop and actually listen to him speak and stop focusing on his sexuality. Progressives and young people would love him and would have no problem with him being gay. And we DO NEED that group as well, not just "undecided" middle America.

Especially when Harris’s electoral chances are now, at the very best, 50-50.

[quote]maybe now’s not the time to be planting flags.

Who's planting flags? Pete is a very smart pick for VP even if he were straight. He's sharp, smart, proactive, takes the fight to the other side. He gets things done, he's not a divider, hater, or child calling people stupid names. He's young, former military and experienced and gets social media which is very important now for voters under 40.

R256 ENOUGH with your concerns.

Gay-friendly millennials are now THE adults in the room and they're sick and tired of walking on eggshells to accommodate old Boomer prejudices

Biden’s secret sauce was his greater appeal - maybe by about 5% over Hillary & other Dems - to older & non-college educated whites in the Blue Wall states, with their very specific demographics. Will Pete be able to replicate that? Will his presence on the ticket repel older Blacks? These are, yes, concerns for anyone who thinks this election is existential. And we ignore them at our own peril.

y'all need a different hobby.

Tl;dr Strategically speaking, Harris's VP should be a youngish, good-looking white guy who knows his way around social media. In today’s world, where selfies and tweets can make or break a campaign, it’s crucial to have someone with a strong media presence. This guy won’t be the one posting, but he should definitely have the charisma to back up the campaign’s online efforts. After all, looking good and having a solid social media game plan is a powerful combo!

For shits and giggles, I googled stock photo of a handsome white young male politician type, and this was my favorite of the results.

[quote] Will his presence on the ticket repel older Blacks?

Are these "Older Blacks" even still alive four years later?

R261 = Susan Collins.

Look Susan, your pearl clutching has got to stop or you are going to choke yourself to death.

Pete is not running for President. And as already said, older blacks are not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. Especially in this high stakes election.

Pete is as interesting as day old white bread.

When was the last time someone in government actually did this? Pete gets social media is important.

R266 is racist. White bread? Really? Go back to Lipstick Alley you silly troll.

Pete and Chasten with the kids

R269 = That photo will keep black voters AWAY in November. That picture is one of many reasons a Hillbilly isn't going to be VEEP in 2024.

R270, no it won't.

Maybe with another politician it might.

But the alternative is TRUMP. They can vote Kamala/Pete or they can enjoy Trump. :)

The case to include Pete in the vetting process for the VP nomination has been CLEARLY made in this thread.

I wish there was some way we could get Kamala's team to realize that he should definitely be considered to be her running mate.

If Pete were NOT gay no one on DL would be giving a shit about him.

He would still be the mayor of south bend today. He might still be a great mayor but he would be a straight mayor in a medium sized town no one here gives a shit about,

He would be a good mayor married to a women and a non issue on DL except for those that wanted to fuck the cute straight mayor of south bend Indiana.

In my home state of Michigan, the failure of so many usually reliable Black male voters to cast a ballot in 2016 is but one reason Trump narrowly won. So the argument that Black voters would not sit out this election, too, falls on deaf ears.

And while Pete could never win a state wide election as Trump and Ike could have if they had any interest at all in a state office Pete could not.

In fact there are only two cities in Ind that Pete could be mayor of South Bend and Bloomington.

Doug Emhoff and Chasten are holding a fundraiser together in Fire Island next week. Could be a good sign for Pete.

[quote]R276 Doug Emhoff and Chasten are holding a fundraiser together in Fire Island next week. Could be a good sign for Pete.

Not if they run off together!

I do wonder what I’d have changed “Buttigieg” to at Ellis Island, myself. It’s an annoying name.

Maybe just Button? Buttongrace? (No, that doesn’t work.)

I am honestly against a Pete nomination simply for the fact that he is in this current administration. We need fresh blood.

[quote] I think it could be a winner.

I couldn't agree more!

He's still a little bit too obvious for me. The way he tees up the chance to mention to Rachel Maddow 'my neighbours.... in Michigan'. The quick repetition that Michigan is now in fact his home (hmm, might you be planning to run for office there soon Pete?). Teeing up the cute little story about the 3 year old black adopted daughter watching the historic moment on the TV when (voice cracks) 'Kamala Harris is about to become the first black woman President'..... I mean, try not to signpost the politicking too obviously to the casual viewer, that's all I'm saying, Pete? Yes, we understand your daughter now believes she can be President.

All in all, Pete still gives the impression of someone trying very, very hard to fashion his entire life into an approximation of what he thinks is the model for the technocratic liberal governing elite of the future... being gay and in Indiana was a significant bump in the road there but with Chasten and the kids he is now about as heteronormative as it is possible for a gay family in Michigan to be, so, on to high office I guess. Or not.

He’s a dime-a-dozen McKinsey asshat.

I think the bigger problem for Pete is the appearance of a flimsy resume. Why would you pick someone who has only been a provincial city mayor and secretary of transportation (with dubious accomplishments) when there are so many other candidates who are well-liked governors or senators with excellent track records? He's smart, no doubt about it, but that's not enough in this field.

His resume is flimsy, and he’s not done anything spectacular with the positions he’s had.

Picking him will bring an endless onslaught of “DEI hire” accusations from the other side, and we don’t need that distraction right now. Pick a straight white married male.

R281 It must be happy hour in Western Europe right now.

Pete will make a great president in about 8 years from now. Kamala receives no political equity in selecting him.

I forgot that Pete was now in Michigan. If he wants a different job they could move the family to Fabulous Ferndale and he could run for mayor. My money is on him winning.

He could then follow in the footsteps of the great Jamie Blanchard , who was only ferndale-adjacent and run for higher state office.

Then when he is sixty ……

Patience, my gays, patience.

R285 Why no, it's barely 3PM, and we don't drink weak piss like Bud light over here so never a good idea to start this early ;)

He is the least presidental of any person, he need to stay in the back.

[quote] If Pete were NOT gay no one on DL would be giving a shit about him.

That's the point, dumbass R273.

We are supporting him BECAUSE he is gay, which is exactly what we should be doing!!!

But beyond that, he HAS the resume to be considered for the job of Vice-President, which stacks up higher than any of the other people under consideration, with maybe the exception of Mark Kelly.

The better question is what will he do next? Stay at DOT? Run for an Important elected position in Michigan? CNN?

R291 exactly. Some on DL have said that America won’t care about his sexuality. As you state so clearly it’s the main reason for supporting him.

He’s never been elected to any elected official job higher than Mayor. I doubt he could win any election in Michigan. Maybe Congressmen but it depends on where he actually lives.

The dude takes back shots from Chasten, clearly he's open to anything.

He’s good at appearing on TV and acting as a surrogate. He should probably be running campaigns for other candidates. Trying to get elected himself is not going to happen.

Move to Ferndale and run for Congress. Ferndale, pleasant ridge, Royal oak, Birmingham etc are fairly moderate to liberal areas.

Or for a better house they could move to Pleasant Ridge.

Indiana geography lesson:

South Bend is north.

North Vernon is south.

And French Lick is nothing like it sounds.

Ramrod!! You got that right, Joe!

You fangutls are not very rational. R250, it’s not Pete’s campaign. You talk as if he’ll be the star. That’s the least appealing type of running mate.

There are better positions for Buttegieg in the cabinet.

[quote] There are better positions for Buttegieg in the cabinet.

Don't you mean THE CLOSET?

Fuck that.

We've been shoved in there long enough.

Pete Buttigieg for Vice-President!!!!

Too cramped in there for me, baby, let's go to the bedroom.

[quote]we don't drink weak piss like Bud light over here

Neither do many Americans

He's such s boring gay. I fall asleep just looking at him.

Many on DL , based on many previous posts would attack Pete , and his ads which highlighted his military service

and his few months time in a combat zone. Several, based in previous posts, on DL would make comments shaming Pete and his service.

Sadly Pete is no more or less a combat vet than Vance. Both remf pogues, like Al Gore was, not the killers some DL posters would only see as the real deal.

Vance was a reporter, Pete worked security. Did Vance lean Arabic?

They were both remf pogues not combat arms. And on DL people will attack them both or attack neither for being remf pogues. The honest ones anyway.

I love listen to Pete speak when he discusses policy and tears down Republicans, but I cringe when he starts talking about his home life with Chastin and their kids: "You should come into our home and see Chastin and I pack lunches and change diapers..." like some frau Hallmark movie.

Chasten packs lunches and changes diapers. Pete watches football and takes out the garbage.

[quote] Chasten packs lunches and changes diapers. Pete watches football and takes out the garbage.

All choreographed and designed by Pete to create an image suitable for his political ambitions. He’s so slick and fake.

R310 yes because he is the first fake politicians. All the non gay ones are real. You are a fkin cunt. Maybe he really does enjoy watching football so of course they are going to play out his traditional masculine role in the family. How old you? Actually don’t answer that. You are a boomer aren’t you. Be honest because if you are it leads to my theory that boomer gays are fkin resentful.

[quote] Chasten packs lunches and changes diapers. Pete watches football and takes out the garbage.

Also, Pete drinks the beer and Chasten drinks the wine.

Like a proper husband and wife!

Haha.... just kidding. I made fun of them for this before, but whatever.

R312 they both look so happy.

[quote]They were both remf pogues not combat arms.

Not a term I hear very often, r307. Kudos for using it.

For people who like that sort of thing ...

Chasten is so common and lower class, Pete could do better.

Of all the things that Pete is wide open to, being her VP pick is the least interesting.

I suppose if she employed him to get her coffee that may be one responsibility he doesn’t screw up. Maybe.

R316 There is not enough of us to be class selective.

Chasten is a basic overweight hillbilly.

R320 - So THAT explains his fondness for banjo-pickin' and squealin' like a pig.

[quote]His resume is flimsy, and he’s not done anything spectacular with the positions he’s had.

Flimsy resume? If we went by that standard I would never have been elected President. - DJT

[quote]Sadly Pete is no more or less a combat vet than Vance.

Oh please, Pete is far more of a man than Vance. But to your point, Vance plays up his military service like there is now tomorrow, so does Trump and his supporters. Pete plays down his time in the military service, even humble about it saying he just mostly drove people around in a an active war zone.

If not VIP, then Secretary of State. He should be representing Americans on the world stage.

VP and VIP

[quote] Chasten is a basic overweight hillbilly.

Why are you people so CRUEL??

Secretary of State would be good training for him.

Although I would love to make him my Sex-a-tary.

[quote] If not VIP, then Secretary of State.

His relevant experience for “qualifying “ him to be Secretary of Transportation was that he repaired streets, filling potholes in South Bend. In your brain, what is his relevant experience that qualifies him to be Secretary of State?

Does anyone else think 'buddy-gig' when they see his name?

Pete's queer so queer pollyanna sparkle ponies are never going shut the fuck up with their lollypop rainbow wet dreams about President Pete.

R328 sounds more dim than the pot hole he fell in. Secretary of transportation is a very high level job, he's managing a trillion dollar budget with thousands of employees, meeting with top leaders, around the country and around the world because he's also in control of the nation's ports. It's not a big step to move to Secretary of State. At lease he has actual military training. That's a lot more than Hillary had and many others in that job.

Secretary of State is a diplomat who represents the United States government in dealings with foreign countries. They don’t need “actual military training”.

Madeleine earned a doctorate in 1975. She was chief legislative assistant to a U.S. senator. She worked as Congressional Liaison for the NationalSecuity Council before moving to the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars at the Smithsonian Institution. She joined the academic staff at Georgetown University, specializing in Eastern European studies. She also directed the university's program on women in global politics. She served as a major Democratic Party foreign policy advisor, briefing vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro and presidential candidate Michael Dukakis. Under Clinton Albright was employed to handle the transition to a new administration at the National Security Council. He then made her U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, her first diplomatic posting.

Then she became Secretary of State.

Warren Christopher started his career as a U.S. Supreme Court law clerk. He was as special counsel to California Governor Pat Brown, then United States Deputy Attorney General. President Johnson selected him to assist federal efforts to combat the urban riots in Detroit during July 1967 and in Chicago during April 1968. He was Deputy Secretary of State under Carter. He headed the vice presidential search Bill Clinton's presidential campaign and served as the Director of his presidential Transition.

Then he became Secretary of State.

Colin Powell. Dean Rusk. Henry Kissinger. John Kerry. James Baker.

But "Secretary of State would be good training for him."

Some of you people are astounding in the shallowness of your Pete colored glasses. Pathetic.

New POLL out on who Kamala Harris should pick as her VP.

And guess what? Pete comes in at NUMBER TWO!

So fuck all you haters!

[quote] Ever since President Biden ended his reelection bid Sunday, there’s been little doubt about who’s likely to replace him atop the Democratic ticket: Vice President Kamala Harris.

[quote] But one mystery remains: Who will Harris recruit as her running mate?

[quote] Welcome to the veepstakes. It’s a time-honored Washington tradition. Speculation swirls. Names emerge. Pundits pontificate. Vetting begins. Ultimately, a new political partnership is born.

[quote] According to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, which was conducted from July 19 to 22, Democrats don’t have a clear favorite for the job — yet. When shown a list of potential Harris running mates and asked to “select all” they would “approve of,” a plurality of voters who identify as Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents answered “not sure” (30%) or “none of the above” (6%).

[quote] The next-highest finishers were California Gov. Gavin Newsom (30%), Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (25%) and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (24%) — the most familiar names on the list.

[quote] Less prominent — but potentially more realistic — Democratic contenders such as Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro (24%), Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly (18%), Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear (15%) and North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper (11%) brought up the rear.

I can't wait for this to be over so we can stop with this stupid Pete worship. The guy speaks well and sucks cock. Sounds like most of the successful gay men I know, but I wouldn't make them Vice President because somehow that soothes my butthurt.

I can't wait for this to be over so we can stop with this stupid Pete haters.

There fixed it for you.

Pete is young, smart and a fighter, that's all I care about, the others are really the "mayo" of the pick if you want to be brutally honest.

Pete is not qualified for anything, including the position he currently holds. No, Elaine Chow wasn’t qualified either.

Look, this is a sped up election cycle due to the change at the top of the ticket. There's barely time to get the public on board with Kamala, let alone her VP. Having someone who already has a national profile as a running mate would be an asset because, qualified as some of these other candidates are, they still aren't as well-known nationally as Pete is thanks to his 2020 run. As for the insistence that Kamala pick a straight white guy as a running mate, Wisconsin has a lesbian senator, Michigan has a female governor, and Pennsylvania has a Jewish governor. These are key states and aren't as narrow minded as everyone is insisting.

THANK YOU, R339.

I never would have thought that Datalounge of all places would be filled with small minded homophobes.

But that's exactly what it looks like.

They'd rather have yet ANOTHER straight, white male in the top leadership position, rather than go with the BOLD choice of a gay Vice-Presidential pick.

That's really fucking SAD.

[quote]Wisconsin has a lesbian senator, Michigan has a female governor, and Pennsylvania has a Jewish governor. These are key states and aren't as narrow minded as everyone is insisting.

So just pick one of those people. Whitmer or Shapiro.

R340, some of us see a bigger picture. You wanna gamble this year, try Powerball. Homophobia? You should plant seeds in your keyboard so your tears will grow a garden.

[quote]I never would have thought that Datalounge of all places would be filled with small minded homophobes.

It's mainly one or two Trolls, probably a Russian and American Boomer from the sound of it. The ant-gay digs sound like something a Russian Babushka would say trying to sound American. You know how they feel about gays in Russia. And you can thank old Boomers for the internalized homophobia that created the Log Cabin Republicans.

[quote]and Pennsylvania has a Jewish governor.

Pennsylvania has a large Jewish population. The Tree of Life Synagogue massacre happened here, and the entire state condemned it. A Pittsburgh jury sentenced that antisemitic asshole to death.

[quote]some of us see a bigger picture. You wanna gamble this year, try Powerball.

Homophobia is not a gamble, going with a 60 year old White heto is the gamble. What part of the 70% of American society saying there were tired of Two Old White Men on the ticket did you not get for the last 12 months?

When the Russians see the stupid here, they'll move on to some place they can make a difference.

And how many old white men is Harris considering, R345? She's just not gonna pick your white man and you're having a tanty.

Get this through your head: politically, he's not viable yet. It's hard, but it's simple and it's true. Deal.

All I can say is the reich wing Republicans, Fox News and Russian Trolls have been working hard long before today to take Pete down. They are afraid of him.

I weirdly feel hesitant about watching the homophobia if he's a VP nom. I would sing his praises to anyone but he's kind of wonky. I guess he wants more but I like him in a cabinet role like transportation secretary where he can shine.. as a bureaucrat!

I'm afraid of you.

[quote] All I can say is the reich wing Republicans, Fox News and Russian Trolls have been working hard long before today to take Pete down. They are afraid of him.

Exactly.

They know that a Harris/Buttigieg ticket would be unbeatable.

He’s unelectable. Not because he’s gay. But because he’s unqualified and comes across as fake and desperate.

Insulting people isn't going to make Pete suddenly competent or improve his chances of being selected.

[quote]Get this through your head: politically, he's not viable yet. It's hard, but it's simple and it's true. Deal.

All those kind of old school rules went out the window with Trump. He won with NO EXPERIENCE, and he was a known misogynist and racist. Get That Through Your Head.

[quote]He’s unelectable.

Tell that to the people who voted for him in the Iowa caucus. He won that with less experience than he has now.

Undetectable? Maybe you should talk to these people.

[quote]He’s unelectable. Tell that to the people who voted for him in the Iowa caucus.

Let me know when Iowa becomes relevant for a Democrat in a general election.

Let me know when you can admit you are wrong about his respectability. Have some humble pie while you are at it.

[quote]All those kind of old school rules went out the window with Trump. He won with NO EXPERIENCE, and he was a known misogynist and racist. Get That Through Your Head.

So if they elect a misogynist and racist they can elect a gay man. Got it.

^^electability

American would rather elect a upstanding gay man than a racist misogynist 78 year old man. So yeah.

[quote]Let me know when Iowa becomes relevant for a Democrat in a general election.

Actually, since Iowa is known to be very conservative and Republican, if you can win there being a gay man, then you should not have a problem in more progressive Democratic leaning states.

[quote]The 2020 Iowa Democratic presidential caucuses, the first nominating contest in the Democratic Party primaries for the 2020 presidential election, took place on February 3, 2020. Pete Buttigieg received the most state delegate equivalents (SDEs) and therefore the most delegates, with one SDE and two delegates more than Bernie Sanders, who had narrowly won the popular vote with 26.5%. It was the first time that the Iowa caucuses published the popular vote results of their contest.

r356, Sanders got the most votes, but Buttigieg ended up with 2 more national delegates than Sanders. So Buttigieg "won" with only 25% of the vote, despite the fact that 75% of Iowa caucus voters wanted someone other than him. Not the ringing endorsement some make it out to be.

A win is a win. Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. You should know that Natasha.

[quote]Actually, since Iowa is known to be very conservative and Republican, if you can win there being a gay man, then you should not have a problem in more progressive Democratic leaning states.

He won a Democratic Primary there, Competing against other Democrats for Democratic votes. He will never win a statewide election there, nor will any Democrat.

Before 2008, no one thought a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama could ever win. But he did. The truth is we all have no fucking idea who is electable and who isn't until all the votes are actually cast. I'm sure the Harris team is doing tons of internal polling and weighing all of the options extremely carefully. Maybe their data will point to someone other than Pete being the best choice. But to say he shouldn't even be considered simply because he's gay is nonsense.

r364, he lost the popular vote in Iowa and only got 25% of the vote. Let's see how good getting only 25% does him in a national election.

[quote]Maybe their data will point to someone other than Pete being the best choice.

Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that Shapiro is the best choice. Can Pete deliver Pennsylvania?? No, he can’t deliver any states.

[quote] Anyone with more than two brain cells can see that Shapiro is the best choice

For Israel.

And Zionists.

VP is not about delivering a state. I know the talking heads love to say it's all about bringing the vote but in past, most VP's were no picked for that. VP's are picked because they can do the job and more importantly, they seem like someone the President can work with for the next 8 years. Its very short sided to say this someone is going to deliver a specific state.

[quote]talking heads love to say it's all about bringing the vote but in past, most VP's were no picked for that

We're not living in the past any more. We need to win three important states. Shapiro and Whitmer happen to be the Governors of two of them.

Shapiro can still deliver Pennsylvania without being the nominee.

Andy Beshear would be a great pick for VP, if it's not Pete.

I think that he's very eloquent, and sincere, and gracious.

The total opposite of Trump and Vance.

And he is tough too. A former Prosecutor and Attorney General.

Just listen to him on Morning Joe, and tell me that he wouldn't chop Vance to pieces in a debate....

R355, Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucuses.

I like Beshear if not Pete. We need youth on the ticket.

No to Mark Kelley. He looks like a Muppets cast member.

You need a handsome guy like Andy Beshear.

Kelley is an astronaut though, not some fake JD Marine. But I would put him in 2nd choice. Maybe he would be good as a cabinet member.

Yes, a handsome devil like me.

Despite the "report" that it's down to Kelly, Cooper and Shapiro, I'm still holding out hope that Pete is in the running.

It would be a dream ticket for me, and I'd sell the fuck out of it to my family and friends and even strangers.

And trust me, I've never done that before.

It can’t be Cooper. It would allow his MAGA Lt. Governor the opportunity to do real damage while he is on the campaign trail out of state.

R380 you never went out of your way to sell a dem ticket before based on your statement and you will this time , based on your statement, if you get the exact ticket you want?

Well Harris should be calling you direct to find out what to do.

Trump is attacked for his maga BS so Trump doubled down and went 2x maga. Rather than balance.

Harris is being attacked for being woke and the most ultra liberal candidate in history. So many here want her to double down and go as liberal as possible. Many insist on liberal gay and woke.

True believers to the right of me true believers to the left of me .

It will be Kelly because she wants to win. She wants to appeal to more than DL.

I'm totally with you, R383 (apart from the belief the pick will be Kelly as it appears vetting has raised some red flags). Too many posters just don't believe in math.

[quote]All those kind of old school rules went out the window with Trump. He won with NO EXPERIENCE, and he was a known misogynist and racist. Get That Through Your Head.

Thinking people didn't vote for him.

[quote]She wants to appeal to more than DL.

And she'll have to. And she can. But not without doing the math. For all DL venerates Nancy Pelosi, who is the hardest, shrewdest tactician I've seen, Nancy would never pick Pete at this point. She does the math, she analyses the circumstances, and she recognizes the way to make change is to do what you have to to get elected first. Pete colored glasses. Thank God these people are stuck here and not running campaigns.

But moi (😻) queer 🏳️‍🌈 and moi 💕LURV 💕Mayor Pete so cute 🥰 and smart and moi want 🍭🦄🌈

Can I just say, too, with my gay and apparently homophobic heart, I'd love it if Pete could be a viable candidate this time around. I just haven't heard an argument that convinces me he can. He is inexperienced compared to a number of viable options. I cannot shoehorn the fact we're both gay into a belief he will do more good than harm to the calculus. This is America we're talking about. It may be able to take a woman of color as president, but it's America. Beyond school shootings, Jesus and hating the poor, there's only so much it can take at once.

His time will come. I believe that. It just cannot be this time and even if I wanted to ignore the big picture and will it, it's not his time nor the right time to gamble. Let's not get greedy in a country where but for the margin of error, Trump still has the upper hand in the polls.

In all of the discussion after the Biden announcement, the total emphasis has been on women. If the Dems are going to win in Nov, they had better start talking to men and the issues that concern them, since they are far behind in the male vote. They already have the female vote, so it's time to get working on the male vote. It would be total idiocy to ignore them.

Which V-P candidate would make men more likely to vote for Harris? Probably Kelly.

Probably? Kelly is a man’s man. His personal strengths are strength and toughness.

Many American men and women still look up to this in 2024.

She needs a balanced thicket that has wide appeal not a perfect ticket that has deep appeal.

[quote] BREAKING: Pete Buttigieg will join the White dudes for Kamala on Monday night. Let’s go.

Ok DLers, are you all going to be tripping over your caftans to join that Zoom call?

He has never been elected to anything yet, except mayor of a derilict city at that, he's very smart, but needs to get elected somewhere or be a prosecutor like Kamala, why has this not happened?

America ain't voting for a fag, baby.

r393 Because he's not a lawyer? And why should everyone be a prosecutor? American presidents rarely have been.

Also, he got more votes in that race for Indiana's state treasurer in 2010 than Bernie Sanders in the past three of Vermont's senatorial races combined. Some perspective, please.

[quote]If not a VP slot, then a slot on the Supreme Court.

Shouldn't he get a law degree first, or is just that darn talented?

R395 but he is a vet. Not a combat vet but still

Sec DOD

Then watch fucking heads explode.

[quote] If not a VP slot, then a slot on the Supreme Court.

Coin slot or rosebud?

Pete is "under consideration" but is not being actively vetted at this time.

Per MSNBC:

The VP candidates who've actually received vetting materials:

Mark Kelly

Josh Shapiro

Gretchen Whitmer

Roy Cooper

Tim Walz

The candidates who are under consideration:

Andy Beshear

Pete B.

JB Pritzker

[quote] The candidates who are under consideration:

[quote] Andy Beshear

[quote] [bold]Pete B.[/bold]

[quote] JB Pritzker

YESSSSS!!!!

R400, being “under consideration” in this context is a polite way of saying that you’re not under consideration.

BREAKING------>>>Kamala has narrowed her list down to THREE....Shapiro. Kelly, Walz. .....[bold] PETE is NOT in the running anymore. [/bold].

How weird that she would eliminate Beshear.

He's probably the strongest candidate of the entire group.

I think that's a huge mistake.

[quote] BREAKING------>>>Kamala has narrowed her list down to THREE....Shapiro. Kelly

So it’s really Shapiro and Kelly, just as the consensus on DL indicated ages ago, notwithstanding the Buttigieg trolls and the Beshear troll.

[quote] BREAKING------>>>Kamala has narrowed her list down to THREE....Shapiro. Kelly, Walz.

But of course. Boomer 1, Boomer 2, Boomer 3.

What a fine way to give the middle finger to everyone under 55

[quote] What a fine way to give the middle finger to everyone under 55

But it just feels so good to do that to the insufferable, obnoxious ones.

[quote]But of course. Boomer 1, Boomer 2, Boomer 3. What a fine way to give the middle finger to everyone under 55

Shapiro is 51 and solidly Generation X. And he’s also the best choice.

The young ones are a big part of the reason Kamala has momentum. Not ancient crones like you, R406, who do things out of spite or who insist that 82-year-old men are the only way.

R407 he's the worst choice.

She's making a mistake, not going with Beshear.

Kamala is young at heart and Walz or Kelly would bridge the gap to make the ticket feel safe for boomers who aren't full MAGA.

Not, R409, if he can help win Pennsylvania, the biggest get of the battleground states.

[quote]How weird that she would eliminate Beshear. He's probably the strongest candidate of the entire group.

Beshear doesn’t get her any electoral votes. He’s popular in the South and in rural areas…states which will all vote Red. She needs to shore up PA, MI, and WI. Shapiro is the best option to do that. Whitmer could do it too, but two women on the ticket aren’t going to happen.

And if I'm not mistaken, R406, it's the Boomers and old Gen Xers here, with their old racist prejudices leftover from the 1900s, who insisted that a black woman at the top of a ticket was unelectable.

What an about-face that was.

Shapiro also helps retain the Jewish vote. Many Jews have started supporting Trump, due to the pro-terrorism faction of the far-Left.

R415 how big is the Jewish vote?

Does it outnumber Gen Z and millennials?

I like Beshear, but his Mountain Dew press conference last week was cringey. He doesn't have the natural charisma and humor of Tim Walz. Also, his tweet yesterday implying that he may be leaving Kentucky was strange. He's coming across as a try-hard.

Kamala is clearly picking someone who best helps her electoral chances. She's lucky that all 3 of the finalists are strong, likable and would make excellent presidents.

I’ve not seen any polling since 10/7, R415, that shows any slippage of support for the Democratic Party among my fellow Jews.

With the exception of the orthodox, Jewish voters are generally among the most liberal in the country. They don’t need Shapiro to feel comfortable voting for Kamala. Kamala’s husband is also Jewish and has actively been speaking out against anti-semitism.

[quote]Harris is being attacked for being woke and the most ultra liberal candidate in history. So many here want her to double down and go as liberal as possible. Many insist on liberal gay and woke.

WRONG. Being gay is NOT ultra liberal, you realize there is a group called the Log Cabin Republicans right? Gay is no more "liberal" than divorce is these days. Maybe in the 50's you could call it that, but today, just like single parents or getting a divorce it has no meaning anymore. Get with the program Gramps.

[quote]I like Beshear, but his Mountain Dew press conference last week was cringey. He doesn't have the natural charisma and humor

That's why Pete is a better choice, he's not trying to impress people with stunts. He just uses straight facts and common sense in a very clear and easy to understand way.

[quote] Kamala is young at heart and Walz or Kelly

This ticket of "generational change" is just the oldest Boomers forced out for younger Boomers. I see.

R420 JHC “ Many insist on liberal, gay, and woke” —-Now do you feel better

or will you argue that the Pete does not suggest liberal, gay, woke on the ticket ?

Junior the fucking point was not that all gays are woke or liberal or that all liberals are gay.

[quote] how big is the Jewish vote?

The only states with significant Jewish populations are New York, Florida and California. Those states are already locked down, so it doesn't matter.

The Harris campaign will do extensive polling to determine if Shapiro helps or hurts them across several demographics, like young people, Midwesterners, Independents, etc. If their polling shows a VP Shapiro losing the youth vote, then they have to decide if winning PA is worth losing a significant number of young voters nationwide. It's all a numbers game, which is why these advisors and pollsters make a lot of money.

[quote]That's why Pete is a better choice, he's not trying to impress people with stunts. He just uses straight facts and common sense in a very clear and easy to understand way.

He’s smarmy and unlikable and looks like a rodent.

[quote]If their polling shows a VP Shapiro losing the youth vote, then they have to decide if winning PA is worth losing a significant number of young voters nationwide. It's all a numbers game, which is why these advisors and pollsters make a lot of money.

Hopefully none of Hillary’s people are working on this campaign. She wasted a lot of money on advisors who were convinced that winning PA was a forgone conclusion for her.

[quote] The only states with significant Jewish populations are New York, Florida and California. Those states are already locked down, so it doesn't matter.

Thank you! How ridiculous that we are expected to cater to less than 2.5% of the American population.

How about the Polish vote? The gypsy vote?

Most of the “pro-Palestine” protestors you see on college campuses are paid agitators who are not going to vote anyway.

R408/R414, seriously, you're sulking like a petulant child. For a know it all, you lack any grace. So to put it language you might understand: pipe down and sit quietly while the grown ups talk.

Oh, yeah, Florida... Democratic bedrock.

I'm glad Pete's not ready and not getting just to watch these children sulk.

R431 just how humiliating is it that Boomers have to be told they need to hang them up? Like washed-up past their prime singers making spectacles of themselves.

It's people your age who insisted that a black woman could never lead a presidential ticket. Those are your generation's issues and hangup. Not Millennials. Not Gen Z. YOU.

[quote] So to put it language you might understand: pipe down and sit quietly while the grown ups talk.

No. I don't think so. I think the days of the Boomers calling the shots and telling everyone else to shut up are over. It's time for them to shut the fuck up and move over to the side.

I really can't decide between Kelly and Shapiro. They're both so neck-and-neck. My choice changes depending upon the time of day. I'm not locking in my final answer until right before she announces her pick.

Gabby Giffords's super PAC just committed $15 million to get Harris and Democrats elected in November. That may get Mark the job.

Who the fuck cares about Boomer, GenX nonsense? The task is to defeat the greatest threat to democracy in US history, so get the best person who will best help do that. Childishness is wasted effort.

“Who the fuck cares…”

The one that keeps starting these threads. He is obsessed with the Gen crap. He can’t help himself.. And now he is very upset that folks are laughing at his choice for VP.

He can’t take the Pete rejection for VP

R436

R436 DL certainly does care. Its members never miss an opportunity to trash Millennials, Gen Z and young people in general. And you wonder why the youth are leery of Boomers and older Gen X who do nothing but patronize and treat them with contempt and shove all of their concerns to the side.

R438 how many of these Gen threads have you started?

How upset are you that DL is not on the Pete for VP bandwagon with you?

I'm not even a Pete person, r439. I don't know what you're going on about. You must have missed your dementia pills today.

Millennials need to wait their turn. There’s not going to be a Millennial President or VP until after we’ve had a Gen X. And for fucks sake, ENOUGH with the Boomers and the 80+ Silents who won’t get their incontinent asses out of the disproportionately large number of Congressional seats they are currently occupying. It’s time to go. Nobody should be dying of old age while they’re still in Congress.

We really do need term limits and age limits.

When these laws were made the life expectancy was much lower. How long did the average person live in the fucking 18th century?

[quote]You must have missed your dementia pills today.

This, from

[quote]And you wonder why the youth are leery of Boomers and older Gen X who do nothing but patronize and treat them with contempt and shove all of their concerns to the side.

You want to win, babe? Get some fucking money in the game.

[quote] There’s not going to be a Millennial President or VP until after we’ve had a Gen X.

Why should we wait? Millennials are right about the age where we should be considering presidents from our generation. Don't blame us because you let the Boomers dominate, especially since so many of you are the Boomer Republicans' largest voting bloc and cheerleaders.

Mark my words: if Millennials

The Generational Troll is on a roll

R443 billionaire money should have no place in politics and that's one of the things we will look to change once corporate drone Boomers and Gen X move out of the way.

Youngest high blood pressure case ever.

You're so cute, R446. That honestly made me laugh.

At you, just to clear.

R445 I'm only repeating what millions of young voters already think. It behooves you to step out of your AARP echo chamber some time.

Oooh, somebody's found thesarus.com. Well done you! What do they give you at school for a prize?

I admire your honesty about the repetition. Your capacity for original thought became obvious posts ago.

Since Pete’s now as likely as Walter Mondale to be the pick, can we just close this thread?

[quote]Millennials need to wait their turn.

Millennials are in their fucking forties, dipshit. Bill Clinton was 46 when he became president.

[quote]Since Pete’s now as likely as Walter Mondale to be the pick, can we just close this thread?

That's who he reminds me of!

Fuck Gen X if they think we need to sit around and wait around for decades like they did. And for what? To get passed over like they did? The Gen Xers that are in the highest echelons are TERRIBLE. The 3 SCOTUS Republicans. Mike Johnson. Peter Thiel. Kristen Synema. Get bent.

[quote]Since Pete’s now as likely as Walter Mondale to be the pick, can we just close this thread?

The Pete troll(s) already create multiple threads calling for Pete to be the VP choice.

Shapiro isn't going to get the nod either. Too bad, so sad for all the DLers who want to make Israel the 51st state.

[quote] Ok DLers, are you all going to be tripping over your caftans to join that Zoom call?

Only if he flashes dick.

[quote] You want to win, babe? Get some fucking money in the game.

Oh there's money involved, all right. You must need some reminding that it was actually the Democrat's big money donors who insisted that Biden step down because he was too old. Don't be disingenuous and act like age and generational change isn't an important factor in this election. The fact that Biden had to be bumped at the last minute was an entire indictment on the Democrat's age problem!!

No, it was a reflection on Joe's capacity to mount a winning campaign. The problem wasn't that he was old, but how his age was manifesting. Try not to overreach so much, it's far too easy to rebut. And I meant you need to get some money in the game, get a mortgage, grow up, stop stealing wifi and electricity from Starbucks all day. You type like you have nothing productive to do. Which you probably don't.

When is Kamala going to announce her VP?

R460, has to happen by Aug 7th with the virtual roll call thingamabob, so about a week and a half.

[quote] The problem wasn't that he was old, but how his age was manifesting.

That's called aging, dearest! There are no two ways around it. A 70 or 80 year old doesn't have the stamina or wherewithal of a 45-year-old. I'm sorry that you don't understand basic human biology.

You know when we have sitting Democratic Supreme Court Justices and senators DYING in office and an incumbent president has to be bumped because he's too old and frail, that is an AGING problem.

Chasten is already starting with the domestic housefrau posts.

True, hon, but capacity is not uniform in any age group.

Look at you. I mean, it's obvious you took the "must try harder" to heart and just as obvious it didn't do a damn bit of good.

Oh, and Pete's getting the VP nod, babe.

Learn to quote, R464. Nobody know who you are referring to otherwise.

*knows^

Hon, everybody knows who I'm talking to. It couldn't be more obvious if you were in helmet on the short bus.

Kamala called the house to say she pegs Pete as one of the top candidates. AND IT'S BEEN GOING FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE. Pete, I love you, stay.

She's pegging him? Cool.

Is Chasten a wine mom?

He will be once Pete's off campaigning for KH and her new Veep pick!

[quote] You know when we have sitting Democratic Supreme Court Justices and senators DYING in office and an incumbent president has to be bumped because he's too old and frail, that is an AGING problem.

A political commentator referred to Kamala as "young and vibrant" on the BBC the other day, which highlighted how far the goalposts have moved when it comes to American politicians' ages. Vibrant, yes, but she'll be sixty in a few months' time (yet she'll still be the youngest US presidential candidate since Obama in 2012). I actually think sixty is a great age for a presidential candidate - old enough to have gained a lot of experience, but not yet elderly - but "young" is not the right word.

R473: seasoned.

No more fucking Boomers. Jesus Christ they all have one foot in the grave and are stuck in the 1980s.

r463 he's such a vapid twat. WTF does Pete see in him?

Are we sure Chasten isn't trans?

Shut up, R477.

Pete has such a lovely family.

Pete Buttigieg Shares How He'd Campaign as Kamala Harris' VP | TMZ Live

[quote]I really can't decide between Kelly and Shapiro.

Shapiro would be a drag on the ticket and alienate the youth vote. Kelly needs to do drag since his speaking style is so boring.

Fuck Gen X..... The Gen Xers that are in the highest echelons are TERRIBLE.

Oh yes, look at what the Millennials are bringing to the table.

It's going to be top 3 finalist Walz. Like Obama in '08, Harris will pick the whitest man she can find. That might've been Kelly, but, reading between the lines, the vetting process seems to have unearthed some red flags in his past.

[quote]Fuck Gen X The Gen Xers that are in the highest echelons are TERRIBLE. The 3 SCOTUS Republicans. Mike Johnson. Peter Thiel. Kristen Synema. Get bent.

[bold]You do realize Kamala is Gen-X right? As is Booker, Fetterman, Whitmer, Castro, Garcia, Swalwell, just to name a few.

One might wonder what those red flags are with Kelly and why someone would keep mentioning red flags for Kelly without telling us what they are?

The only red flag I have saw was one he has now addressed and put to bed when he said he would sign in and support that legislation..

Kelly is not the one who allegedly helped cover up someone else’s sexual harassment problem.

Well, it's more of a half red flag. Kelly being against unions and then suddenly 360 on it now that he's a possible VP puts him in the two faced category like JD Vance. Although never that extreme, but the general public does not do deep dives on that stuff, they here Vance was a never Trumper and change, Kelly was a never Union and changed. That's how they will read it.

R458

So no real red flag at all. Not even a light pink flag.

Like Harris Kelly has statements about things that are not their current policy views. I think adults know that if you are going to win in Arizona leading with I Am A Big Union Man might not be the best way to be elected.

I have relatives involved in pro Union efforts in Arizona . They are elated about the very popular in that state Kelly running as VP.

All I know about Kelly's vetting issues comes from a political writer/commentator (whose name is a lightning rod for some on these pages) who was extremely bullish from the very outset on what he was hearing about Kelly's chances. A bullishness that continued uninterrupted for a stint. And then, such talk suddenly stopped, with vetting concerns raised very obliquely.

R487 Ah so it’s not nothing it’s one person not saying anything now that convinces you Kelly is in trouble. I bet you are a professional political insider.

State of the Union panel this morning: less likely Kelly, and more likely Walz. Shapiro still there. I bet on Walz after the good buzz he’s gotten just this week—he covers a lot of bases.

Yep, there’s no reason for Walz to be on the shortlist if he’s not going to be the pick.

Military career ✔️ Schoolteacher✔️ Captured a red House seat and kept it✔️ Two-erm governor✔️ Farm issues expert✔️ Nebraska connections✔️

Looks like your favorite (white) uncle ✔️ Biological children✔️ Not weird✔️

Shapiro has been the quietest out of all the VP candidates. We haven't heard a peep out of him all week. That makes me think it's him.

[quote] Shapiro has been the quietest out of all the VP candidates. We haven't heard a peep out of him all week.

Unlike Pete, maybe Shapiro wants to remain dignified.

The Sounds of Silence

Or maybe he knows it's not him, so he's not going to waste his breath any more. Shapiro is the one who looks the most problematic (Israel + accused of covering up sexual harassment). I can't see why the Dems would want to deal with all that.

Shapiro doesn't feel the need to campaign for it. Quiet confidence.

I think it's probably down to either Shapiro or Walz. Both are good choices.

[quote]Shapiro has been the quietest out of all the VP candidates.

You mean that Shapiro screaming at Trump to stop SHIT TALKING the economy was sotto vocce for MAGAts?

Shapiro is not desperately begging for it on every TV network like Pete is.

[quote] You do realize Kamala is Gen-X right? As is Booker, Fetterman, Whitmer, Castro, Garcia, Swalwell, just to name a few.

Kamala was born in 1964.

Technically, that puts her in the Baby Boomer generation, in the very last year of that generation.

GenX starts with people born in 1965.

For the same reason as I have already noted, adding a Jewish man to a ticket headed by Kamala Harris is just too much change when you're trying to appeal to a non-college educated, overwhelming white, Blue Wall state.

This is why Republicans are terrified of Josh Shapiro:

NYT: Shapiro won that fall even as Hillary Clinton lost the state, outperforming her in rural counties and running up his margins in the suburbs, in a preview of how he would win the governor’s race six years later — and, his supporters argue, how he could help Harris carry the battleground state this year.

A Fox News poll released Friday found that 61% of Pennsylvania voters viewed him favorably, a striking number in a closely divided state.

The New York Times is out with a new article that suggests the favorites are now Cooper, Shapiro and Beshear. What do all three of them have in common? They were all state attorney generals, just like Kamala.

If this is the article, R503, it doesn't state that those three are the favorites. It just notes that

[quote] Of the five or six vice-presidential options currently seen as the most serious contenders, two of them — Governors Roy Cooper of North Carolina and Andy Beshear of Kentucky — directly overlapped with Ms. Harris as attorneys general.

The article adds that Shapiro became Pennsylvania AG just when Harris was leaving her job as California AG.

Every media outlet has a different hot take, but I barely see anyone talking about Cooper. Dark horse?

It can’t be Cooper. He can’t leave the state & leave it to the mercies of his crazy lieutenant governor.

Quote of the day:

Sarafina Chitika, a spokeswoman for the Harris campaign, criticized Mr. Trump’s focus on Mr. Biden. “Tonight in Minnesota, a bitter, unhinged, 78-year-old convicted felon kept clinging to his lies about the 2020 election he lost being ‘rigged,’ rambled about his former opponent and golfing, and made excuses for why he’s afraid to debate Vice President Harris,” she said in a statement.

[quote]A Fox News poll released Friday found that 61% of Pennsylvania voters viewed him favorably, a striking number in a closely divided state.

Shapiro is pretty popular in PA for the work he did as AG in exposing the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. He named names and released a thorough report and exposed the massive degree of cover-up that went on.

[quote] Kamala was born in 1964. Technically, that puts her in the Baby Boomer

No, No, it doesn't, this have been discussed here many times. The original date defining Gen-X was 1961, by the man who wrote the book and first coined the term. He was writing about himself and his own generation. It was changed 20 years later other people wanting to wrap up things in a nice little bow. But it's not accurate and many Gen-Xers don't buy into it. Wiki is a countributative source, anyone can add to it. it's not an official source.

Remember Obama was considered the first Gen-X president when he was actually president. Now they have re-written history and call him Generation Jones. Which is not really recognized. I am sure you can find dozens of articles NOW that says otherwise, but at the time if you look at the article I posed they agree with what I am saying.

I'm a Gen Xer born in '76 and I have nothing in common with someone born in '61. 1965 is probably accurate for the start of Gen X.

There is no way someone born in 1946 as a Boomer has the same life experiences as someone born in 1961. No one born in the early 60's remembers the assignation of John F. Kennedy, free love, drugs, and all the other adult things Boomer were into back then.

I was born in 1963, and have no memory of Kennedy, Everyone I know who is a Boomer remembers the day he was shot. So it's more accurate to say everything after that is a new generation, Gen-X.

You stupid bitches arguing Kamala was a Boomer because she was born in 1964 and not a few weeks later? Generations blend into each other, there are not really hard cut off dates, they are artificial markers, like being born on the cusp of two astrology signs. She's more Gen-X in life experience than Boomer.

Chasten is probably pushing Pete to get Kamala for the VP spot.

Hell, if I were Chasten I would too. The one thing I really don't like about Pete is the heteronormative double baby thing. They were a lot more interesting before that. I actually saw him in person when he was in LA.

Pete's lifelong ambition is to be President. The happy family image is to appease the straights.

[bold] PROOF!! [/bold] Buttigieg on the campaign trail impersonating Obamas voice and even Obamas words.

Before a great painter became famous, they all had to imitate the masters. I see nothing wrong with Pete learning from Obama.

[bold] Whoops!! [/bold] Pete morphs from Black Obama to Asian Yang!! See for yourself.

What's your point r518, Pete is learning each time he faces a competitor. It's actually a smart tactic.

[quote]r514 The one thing I really don't like about Pete is the heteronormative double baby thing.

If any liberals can afford to raise kids and give them good educations, that’s great. Because there’s a ton of uneducated conservatives breeding in other states.

R514 thinks a liberal decent america of the future is a country full,of kids none of who will have gay parents . He dislikes Pete because they have kids. R514 thinks only straights should raise kids.

[quote] Beshear: No matter what happens with veepstakes, I'll work to elect Harris

That doesn't sound very hopeful for Andy.

She'd be foolish not to choose Beshear as her running mate.

Just listen to him at R522.

He's just the right candidate for VP, and he can definitely sway a lot of voters in the South and Midwest.

Good for him. Some on DL said they will be done with Harris if she does not pick the VP they want.

R509 wins the day for the most dumb shit crammed into a single post. Gold star idiocy💫

[quote]Good for him. Some on DL said they will be done with Harris if she does not pick the VP they want.

The same problem as the Hillary Clinton Loss Syndrome. They feel their affection/affliction deeply but are not serious people.

the random twink me and bf were hooking up w last night explaining to us why Pete Buttigieg should be Kamala's VP.

Kamala is really missing out if she doesn't choose Pete as her running mate.

Just look at the FIRE in his eyes!

R510 What I find is that black younger boomers (60-65) seem more like Gen Xers than white people born in that same period except Brad Pitt. Most 60s born white people born pre 1965 seem like boomers.

True r529. Older Gen Xers tend to be more conservative, younger Gen Xers are more liberal. I'm part of the younger Gen X crowd that nobody pays attention to. Not that Gen X gets focused on much at all but when it does it's the older Xers born in the 60s and very early 70s.

Pete reminds me of Alfalfa from The Little Rascals, and Alvin from Alvin, and the Chipmunks. Pete looks like a chipmunk.

R531 He does. A cute one. He is glowing here though. Great diet.

R446 do you realize that a large amount of billionaires are in their 30s and 40s because they made billions in Tech and a lot of these guys are conservative? Eric Prince, Peter Thiel, Jack Dorsey, Fuckerburg etc.

[quote] He is glowing here though. Great diet.

It's all the sex I give him.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

“This isn’t what God wants! We have to stop it! Grab the binders! Get your lobbyists! Call Newsmax!”

I just heard another commentator on MSNBC actually saying Pete would be the better Pick for VP if Harris wanted to stick to her campaign theme of future and not the past. He pointed out the same thing I have been saying only more eloquently.

Basically this notion that a VP has to carry a state is out of date and is based on campaign strategy of 1901. We live in a highly connected world now with the internet is where it matters and Pete is such a good fighter with words he would be the best candidate for Kamala if she wanted to win. All the other guys are too old and/or not as good as Pete with speaking out for her campaign. Pete has a political gift the others are lacking.

Thank you, R536!!

Now how do we get this message to the Harris Campaign??

I always thought Rachel gay shamed Pete when she said she couldn't imagine being closeted and "going up" for a Rhodes scholarship.

She seemed very judgmental towards him.

Pete is a good speaker, but he's almost too calm and collected. We need a Tim Walz to get fired up and motivated to get out and vote. He puts things in simple, plain English so everyone gets the message, without pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Kamala has worked with Pete the most, and for the longest period of time, having both served in the Biden Administration.

Why wouldn't she go with the guy she knows best, rather than with someone she barely knows, like Kelly or Shapiro?

[quote]Basically this notion that a VP has to carry a state is out of date and is based on campaign strategy of 1901.

When the election is so close that the outcome may be decided by the loss or gain of a single state, it's a good campaign strategy for 2024.

1901 campaign strategy is a good idea? Sorry no, we live in 2024, things change including how to best win an election. You are right about things being close which is why we need to put our best foot forward with the best VP and that is hands down Pete Buttigieg. For every one possible 80 year old hater of gay men, you probably gain 3 youth votes. It works both ways. if we go with old white guy to "balance out the ticket" even though Kamala will be 60 years old, you will probably lose 3 youth votes just because they will stay home, uninspired with more old men on the ticket again.

A person who wants Pete to be picked is of course going to talk down the appropriate strategy of selecting a VP nominee who can win their home state for the ticket. Pete can't carry his own state.

Pete does not need to carry a state, this is flawed thinking.

In fact it's a good argument why Pete is the best choice, we wont lose the other states being held by some of the other VP choices. They can all deliver their states without the risk of losing them.

"a presidential ticket performs no better in the vice presidential candidate’s home state than we would expect otherwise. Statistically speaking, the effect is zero."

All the polls usually show that vice presidential picks usually have very little influence on how people vote. This whole picking a veep to assure winning a state is kind of just media hype I think.

That's basically what the study says in my link at R545

VP's do increase the odds at all if you think that they will carry a state. This makes sense because most Presidents pick someone they know could do the job, and then someone they know or like and could tolerate for the next 8 years. Pete and Kamala already know each other, that's a good place to be.

[quote] vice presidential picks usually have very little influence on how people vote

This is a very different year, and a very different time.

BLM, Israeli Gaza conflict, Abortion Bans, etc.

There are a lot of little factions right now in the Democratic Party, and pissing off any one of them can really hurt Kamala's chances.

There are really only two "safe choices" right now, who are "palatable" to all the coalitions.

And that's Pete and Andy Beshear.

Every other person under consideration to be Kamala's running mate, has issued, and will lose voters.

There really are only two logical choices left.

She did it once before, she can do it again. She seems genuinely happen for him.

I agree with that R548. It's got to be someone younger than Kamala if you expect the youth vote to get off their ass and actually be motivated to vote instead of throwing up their hands about old people always in charge.

What's the deal with Mark Kelly. Why is he a bad pick?

Mark Kelly has the credentials but he is older or looks older than Kamala, he's not very charismatic, he flip flopped on support for Unions. Not exactly someone who would excite the base.

Pete is lighting up the airways. By the way the hot YouTuber is gay.

[quote]R542 You are right about things being close which is why we need to put our best foot forward with the best VP and that is hands down Pete Buttigieg.

WHAT makes him the best possible VP? The job calls for more than just public speaking.

[quote]For every one possible 80 year old hater of gay men, you probably gain 3 youth votes.

Your potential candidate PB is going to motivate young people to get out and vote - supposedly liberals who wouldn’t vote at all without him on the ticket?

R553, yes I like Keith Edwards, he's up there with the crew in the WH as a Dem Strategist.

[quote]WHAT makes him the best possible VP? The job calls for more than just public speaking.

It's more than speaking well, try actually listening to his content and not critiquing his style. His age is a critical factor. The electorate is tired of old men. You have to address that. It's not just a would be nice to have qulity. It's critical you motivate younger voters or they will just sit it out due to complacency of the same old same old. Plus Pete is smart, he knows how to run things, not just a Mayor, but Secretary of Transpiration, a department with thousands of employees, huge projects, and a trillion dollar budget. His former military experience means he understands that structure of that wing of the government as well.

[quote]Your potential candidate PB is going to motivate young people to get out and vote.

He can do all of that without being on the ticket. She should give him some sort of official spokesperson position. His resume is too thin to be VP - the only position he’s been elected to is Mayor.

The most reliable voters in every election as far as actually voting——white people and in general the elderly..

The least reliable voting blocks as far as not voting consistently or ever—- POC, Hispanics, Youth

That is not an opinion

I like the way paraphrasing one talking head on MSNBC has morphed into a solid fact about a 1901 strategy.

Did you people run Hillary's campaign?

[quote]Pete can't carry his own state.

He doesn't even really have a state. The only elected office he's held was in Indiana, which they've left for a summer place in Michigan.

Pete was reviled by black voters in South Bend. No way does Harris want that dirty laundry on her ticket

After Harris loses, Pete will put wheels in place for another run in 2028 but he better hope he can compete against the Newsom/Getty juggernaut.

Based on July 30 the probability iis

mark and Josh in a dead tie. Tim farther behind. Pete and Andy in NAFW territory .A female senator from nevada close behind those two in RNFW territory.

It will be nice when Kamala finally picks a VP and it’s someone other than Pete, so the Pete fanatics can move on with their lives.

He can work to help Harris win, and then can be appointed Secretary of State.

R564, see R333.

There is an old Indiana saying that goes something along the lines of—-if you can pass a budget as mayor and debate with members of the south bend city council you can easily be the senior diplomat of the US.

I'm sure that's true.

[quote]After Harris loses, Pete will put wheels in place for another run in 2028 but he better hope he can compete against the Newsom/Getty juggernaut.

In that scenario, he’d be up against Newsom, Shapiro, Whitmer. He stands no chance of winning a primary against those heavyweights.

Doesn't Harris get a second term? Or are we her-turning for Pete now?

Beshear in the hunt

All the choices are good. It’s a matter of picking the one with the fewest weaknesses.

[quote] His resume is too thin to be VP - the only position he’s been elected to is Mayor.

Excuse me? Have you been asleep for the last 8 years? Donald Trump had NO EXPERIENCE not even Mayor. He broke that mold so it's quite dangerous for Democrats to still place that restriction on themself when the other party said good buy to that almost 8 years ago.

You dont bring an antique butter knife to a gun fight just because the knife has been passed down from generation to generation.

[quote]Donald Trump had NO EXPERIENCE not even Mayor.

Yes, and let's reflect for a moment on how well that went.

[quote]Doesn't Harris get a second term? Or are we her-turning for Pete now?

If Harris got elected, she would most likely get a second term, I dont see anyone wanting to run against her at that point. Trump is such a douche I would not put it past him to try and run against her in 4 years well into his 80s.

Actually R 573, it went EXTREMELY WELL in terms of getting elected. I am not saying he did a good job, but that's not the question. The question was Pete not having enough experience. Which I say is a false and dated narrative to fall back on.

[quote] The least reliable voting blocks as far as not voting consistently or ever—- POC, Hispanics, Youth That is not an opinion

Actually that's changed a lot over the last few election cycles since Obama. He would not have won without the youth vote and POC vote. Yes, old people still vote in big numbers, but the problem with old people is they keep dropping dead.

And the LGBT+ community knows that it is either Democrats or death.

Black men do not realize that they have the same option.

CBS reporting Harris is “eyeing five top contenders” and a pick is expected by Monday.

Shapiro, Walz and Beshear are the final three.

I wonder what’s taking her so long to make up her mind.

She knows, she’s waiting until before the convention

Better to do due diligence and thoroughly vet several candidates than to just pick the guy your idiot cokehead son wanted.

R580 it’s been 7 days…give her a break.

CNN reported the actual face to face interviews or meetings or whatever haven't taken place yet, so they haven't done the chemistry test.

She can't wait til the convention. The convention starts Aug. 19th; the virtual roll call has to be held by Aug 7th (though could be earlier) because of the idiot Ohio Republicans playing silly games.

If she goes with somebody she already knows, then she may not do face to face interviews.

R580 damn right why so long. It’s not that hard. Go with your best gut instincts they are usually the correct ones.

[quote]CBS reporting Harris is “eyeing five top contenders” and a pick is expected by Monday

Dropping it on a Monday is smart. It will dominate the news the entire week and keep Dump out of the headlines.

Pete as secretary of state would be a very good selection.

I wouldn't risk a gay guy as vp yet. I know, I know, we always have to wait, but this election is much too important to risk. We MUST defeat Trump.

Secretary of State is the most senior cabinet position. It takes decades of experience to be made secretary of state.

So is Pete better prepared to be SecState than say Blinken? Exactly what foreign policy experience has Pete had ?

Would anyone be suggesting Pete for SecState if he were straight?

What’s a DEI hire anyway?

He has zero diplomatic expertise—or any indirect experience applicable to the job. He’s stuck in Delta hell…waiting to rebook his cancelled flight.

Pete has zero foreign policy experience. You need to get real.

He would be a good Press Secretary or Director of Communications.

If Pete has any real chops he will be Senator Pete from the great state of Michigan relatively soon. Like next time. No one in history ever saw DOT as a stepping stone to political greatness. And he is sure not ready for State

Michigan could be a winnable state for him I would think.

Pete...Secretary of Defense

He needs to leave the transportation department because the airlines are always pulling shit that makes people angry, and guess who gets blamed? If he wants to run for president one day, then he needs a new job.

[quote]Michigan could be a winnable state for him I would think.

Do you think he'll get the Black vote in Detroit?

R597 that’s why they play the game. He might be quite good in the campaign trail. Detroit is not voting GOP

It will be a Nielsen ratings reveal and Dems know that they cannot waste Rose moment.

Dems have finally realized that we are running in a Reality Show world, where Trump got The Mole to eat shit in public for Trump. We will not lose

She will pick Pete and shock all the media pundit and you haters to hell. It will release a fire storm of "gay man to risky right now" BS and just like she planned, total media frenzy from now until the convention. Pete will kick ass as well. Trump will be pissed as fuck, JD will be pissing in his pants. Everyone will get in line once they stop wringing their hands and they will win.