At least 144 LGBTQ athletes to compete in Paris Olympics

Arthur Nory Mariano's bod is some next-level gym rat shit.

Still, I'll probably have to go with the German judoist Timo Cavelius, he's exactly my type.

Timmy.

Sometimes he shaves his hairy tits, sometimes he doesn't. You know, as the mood strikes.

"Lesbians and other queer women" what other kinds of "queer" women are there? Lesbians are it.

does this include that big 'ol fag Jack Laugher??

No one bats an eye about lesbians in sports. They’re expected to be there in large numbers. It’s the men who are more interesting and have far more to overcome.

R4, bisexual.

Ya R4, R7 beat me to it but how tf could your brain not identify a bisexual woman as an answer for that.

Well because they've already said LGBT, do they need to expand on that? They just love to say "queer" constantly.

R9 conversationally “queer” is much easier to say within a sentence versus “LGBTQ+” no? One syllable versus six.

The athletes we want to be gay aren't -- sadly.

My current crush is French Canadian gymnast Felix Dolci.

R11 mine is French pole vaulter, Thibaut Collet.

Nicolás Keenan is a bisexual field hockey player from Argentina and he's dating a (male) Dutch politician

The Olympics can go fuck themselves!

I wonder how many of these competitors would be okay with NBC news calling them queer? Its not 'cool' its still an insult to most of us.

[quote] Its not 'cool' its still an insult to most of us.

Who are you speaking for when you say “most of us”, R15? Any supporting evidence?

R10 When you end a sentence with "no?"you sound like Pepe Le Pew.

R16 I'm speaking for myself, my gay family members. friends, acquaintances,coworkers and others who have shared their opinions on this to me over the last 4 decades.

And "queer" is meaningless now. It's just a term fat, white, boring, het chicks ascribe to themselves to get oppression points and sound interesting. Show me a "queer" 40 year old woman and I'll show you a straight, married chick with blue hair.

R19👍

[quote] I wonder how many of these competitors would be okay with NBC news calling them queer? it’s not 'cool', its still an insult to most of us.

True. The people who say it are straight women and young people who are desperately politically correct.

[quote] When you end a sentence with "no?"you sound like Pepe Le Pew.

That’s the point R17 😂

[quote] I'm speaking for myself, my gay family members. friends, acquaintances,coworkers and others who have shared their opinions on this to me over the last 4 decades.

Ok R18 so you’re speaking anecdotally, with no statistics. Thanks for confirming 👍

I would disagree that queer is meaningless. It’s vague yes, but usefully so. I can describe something as queer very broadly that indicates certain things about it, yet is non specific enough that I don’t need to know every detail about the item. It’s a general term.

If you don’t use the N word (and no one should never use it), then you should also not use the Q word or the other F word.

“ If you don’t use the N word (and no one should EVER use it),”

Do you mean the word "faggot"?

Matt Damon

R26, you used the other F word. It’s better to replace one more letters with an asterisk to show that you don’t condone it.

[quote] If you don’t use the N word (and no one should never use it), then you should also not use the Q word or the other F word.

This is actually fairly racist of you to say R24.

R23 Nice word salad. Are you drunk again?

R28, you saw that I corrected the typo.

R30 I had seen that before replying.

R29 no I’m not, are you 8 years old and thus cant understand a compound sentence?

R4, they have to shoehorn the words "and other queer women" in because they want to convince us that there are so many different types of "women", so that we start to believe that transwomen (i.e. men) are women.

R7/r8, they don't mean bisexual women. If they meant bisexual women then they would have simply said "lesbian and bisexual women".

Oh you're right R33! Luckily there should be no trans women in the games though, I hope.

Realistically, is there anyone good looking enough to deserve support other than Arthur Nory? I think there’s probably some low level support for Daley that still exists somewhere.

R23 Let me clarify then; queer is a meaningless word in terms of describing sexual orientation. You can continue to use it to describe items and weird people, but it doesn't mean gay.

The thread was going perfectly fine until the clueless DYKE TROLL ARRIVED.

Here's the deal sweetie : We DON'T CARE about transexual women, transgender women, lesbian women, queer women, non binary people, bisexual women, straight women, bicurious women, closeted women, county women...

WE'RE HERE FOR THE GAY AND BI COCKS OF CISGENDER MALES. GO START YOUR OWN THREAD.

^^^^^^^

Cunty women

[quote] Let me clarify then; queer is a meaningless word in terms of describing sexual orientation. You can continue to use it to describe items and weird people, but it doesn't mean gay.

Hmmmm I mean it’s somewhere in the middle R36. If being used to describe a person, it generally means they’re not cis or not straight, so it’s useful on that front.

Idk why you ppl get so upset by it lol.

It’s going be almost all straight AILFs that we discuss when the games start.

R39 "you people" really? And you said the word "cis" too so I now know your opinion is invalid. Thanks.

Tom Daley isn't "queer". He's a gay man.

I don't even know what "queer" means, but it generally seems to be applied to people who are deliberately non-gender-conforming (Daley is), and who do shit like dye their hair weird colors and have weird tattoos and piercings (doesn't apply to Daley at all).

I wish people would stop trying to force the word 'queer' on everyone who is LGBT. Some of us are perfectly normal and not at all "queer".

Queer means not cisgender or not heterosexual.

Glad to help.

More than 100 women and only like 10 men. That's the problem. Gay women in sports are normal. Not so for gay/bi men.

E6 Exactly. Lesbians are often masculine. They are drawn to the masculinity in sports. Gay men are not common in sports at all. There is still a lot of homophobia directed at gay men in sports.

R6 Exactly. Lesbians are often masculine. They are drawn to the masculinity in sports. Gay men are not common in sports at all. There is still a lot of homophobia directed at gay men in sports.

"Queer means not cisgender or not heterosexual." - I don't belong to any category with the trans loons, r43. Any attempt to align me with them - such as the imposition of the word "queer" - is bullshit and I reject it.

So queer means not (fake word) or straight? Got it. But how are the natal women who are fat and 40 and married to men falling into this category? They have never scissored with another woman and never would, yet they are "queer". I guess it's the edgy haircut that does it.

Zzzzz troll, of course you're NOT queer, you're one of them ugly republican straight incels who think they're welcome on Datalounge.

All gay men ARE queer, including the idiotic login cabin useful morons.

"who are fat and 40 and married to men falling into this category?"

If they ARE queer, then they must closeted lesbians or bisexuals, and if they are then they aren't claiming to be queer.

[quote] Tom Daley isn't "queer". He's a gay man.

“ “I think it’s important, if you’re a visible queer person, to try and help other people and not just sit with your privilege,” Daley told HuffPost.”

lol R42.

These talks about the right labels is a bit tiring isn't it? You change the meaning of labels every five years, and all of a sudden nobody knows anymore what they mean. Language is supposed to make life easier not more difficult. And has anybody here ever needed Zoloft after they were called the wrong label? Maybe people should just focus on issues that actually matter.

More on topic: Are there any openly LGBTQ members in track and field?

[quote] "you people" really?

I thought it was fairly obvious that I was talking about you and the remainder of the group of around 10 losers that start these “QuEEr iS a slur!!1!!1!” every few weeks when I said that R41. Like R49 said, it’s very incel behaviour. Get a grip and stop being such a fucking baby about it 😂

When other marginalized groups declare a word or label to be offensive, we accept it and respect their pronouncement. When we object to “queer” and correctly point out that it’s highly offensive, gay people are told to just accept the use of it.

R54 Jesus this shit again. Queer can be offensive when used by a straight person when meant derogatorily. When used by some lesbian throwing a party for her gay friends it’s not to be upset about, and if you’re still crying about it then idk what to tell you, don’t you have anything better in your life to be worrying about? And fyi LGBTQ people have been using it to self describe for decades at this point, it’s not new, don’t you read?

You mean you're not aware of LGBTQ runner Nikki Hiltz, r52?

Queer means trans, r55. I'm not trans, so why should I use it or have it applied to me?

R55 see R54. He doesn't want it forced it on him. Other groups are respected when they say they don't want a word used for them, why is this different?

le sigh R58. Ok first of all:

[quote] When we object to “queer” and correctly point out that it’s highly offensive

This statement is fraudulent. Like I said upthread, 'queer' can be used as a slur, but also can be used in a way that is not a slur. So many gay people use 'queer' willingly, with no offense taken, that there is no clear indication to anyone that it is offensive when used non-maliciously. "queer cinema" is used as a genre for movies. You would never use other terms listed above (genearally as racial epithets) for this use. Queer has been used by LGBTQ people (and yes millions of gay men) as a collective noun for DECADES at this point, when are you trolls going to realize that you've lost this one. And there are enough (the majority self evidently if any of you ever socialized with other gays) LGBTQ people using 'queer' that you can't speak for them.

I'm going to finish with a very simple setup. Let me know if you understand the below:

1. "Hey queer" said by straight man as he's about to throw a punch at you for no reason other than you being gay - This is offensive. Queer here is being used as a slur. Be as upset as you want go ahead you have my blessing.

2. "Hey my friend is throwing a queer party downtown, wanna come?" a friend of friend is throwing a party downtown, and your friend is inviting you. This is not offensive. Queer here is not being used as a slur. If you have a problem with this, and get upset by it, you are a loser and don't understand how to be around other humans sorry!

[quote] The athletes we want to be gay aren't -- sadly.

German judo guy seems pretty hot.

R59 thinks that it’s okay to call people “oriental” and “Chinaman”, you know, as long as it’s not intended to be offensive.

Yup. There is no one, and no context, where anyone calling me "queer" wouldn't offend me

And I'm not a republican or an incel. I'm not even one of those anti-Trans loons. I'm just from a generation who had to suffer being forced to play "Smear the Queer" in gym class. It's NEVER been anything but an epithet and a slur. And one of the worst ones. It's deeply offensive. On ever level. I will NEVER identify with that word.

The thing is, it really is meaningless and it really is useless. Even by those who for some bizarre reason champion its use, it's just redundant. If "Queer" meant someone who didn't fit into any of the other categories (LGBTIA), that'd be one thing, but it doesn't. A "Queer" person is ALWAYS one of those other things. And if they're not, why are they being lumped in with those of us who are?

A straight person who weirds weird clothes and has weird piercings has NOTHING in common with gay people.

If you really mean someone who isn't trans just say "non-trans". If you mean someone that is non-gender-conforming, just fucking say that. Why invent an "umbrella" term that never actually is an "umbrella"?

Leave it to DL to turn a thread that should be all about slobbering over hot gay athletes into yet another bitchfest over terminology. Sad!

Ok Boris R57.

🙄🙄🙄🙄

R18, when Queer Nation was around back in the day did you pretend to be offended by it, too?

More made up words are coming everyday.

R65, I didn't have to pretend.

I want videos of hot man on man olympic sex, dammit.

R62 👍

"I'm just from a generation who had to suffer being forced to play "Smear the Queer" in gym class. It's NEVER been anything but an epithet and a slur. And one of the worst ones. It's deeply offensive. On ever level. I will NEVER identify with that word."

Fuck off with this bullshit because the chant "we're here, we're queer..." Was already around in 1993, people who were then 20 are now in their 50s already.

So you'd have to be an old mummy to act like the use of queer to describe Lgbttq is anything recent or that started in the 21st century.

Plus, not everything revolves around you. Most gay men of nowadays see no problem with the term queer being used to describe the whole LGBT community, and we don't care what boomers think.

It makes sense for anyone to spend some effort trying to shut down offensive language, but it's not as clear why r70 spends so much effort to try to legitimize his "right" to use offensive language to describe gay people. Is he just a mental case, or is there some other agenda?

Ooo La La!

I think you are just another out of touch Eldergay, there's something called CONTEXT which normal people do understand very well.

This word has been appropriated and it's meaning has changed, it can be used offensively, but it's not offensive for the LGBTQ to use it to describe itself.

The exact same way gay doesn't mean happy anymore and it can't be used to describe a heterosexual man, but it could in the 1940s.

Are you stuck in time or are you one of them agents of chaos and divisive trolls wanting to capitalize your own personal trauma to cause a disruption in the LGBTQ movement and silence dozens of millions of people around the globe who have claimed the term queer?

Tom Daley is the equivalent of 30 'regular' gays.

R59, why would I, a lesbian, want to go to a "queer party" when that means it's going to be attended by heterosexual men who call themselves lesbians?

R73, the term "LGBTQ" is anti-gay. LGB and TQ are not the same thing, the TQ is detrimental to the LGB and those of us who are LGB should not be force-lumped in with the TQ.

It's also a bullshit term when it comes to sports as it's a tactic to try to sneak biological men into women's sports.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Try harder, division troll R76.

The vast majority of lgbttq people disagree with you 🥱💤

Also guys, please notice how the thread was happy and essentially celebrating the fact that many athletes now come out as LGBTQ and are not terrified of losing their contracts and jobs because of it, how we have come a long from the beginning of the century until now; but then the same division trolls with their Russian agenda showed up and derailed the thread to the useless discussion of who's queer and who's not, how there's no such thing as lgbttq, why queer is a slur,transgenders should not be in sports, why we should hate queers bla bla bla......

If I didn't know these are just PUTIN trolls in action I would claim several posters on DL suffer from OCD.

Great! Another thread devolved into old gays bitching about young people using old words to describe themselves.

"The vast majority of lgbttq people disagree with you" - What is the extra t for, r77? Not sure if you've conducted a poll of all LGB people, but every lesbian I know does not believe that lesbians have penises and I don't know anyone who believes that biological men should compete in women's sports.

R79, you realise we're talking about sports, right, and that "LGBTQ" and "queer" are terms used by those who want biological men in women's sports.

"Queer" also doesn't mean gay but a whole bunch of other things, so anyone of any age calling themselves "queer" is not specifically saying that they are gay.

For all the effort you go through to say that when someone wants to be called by this or that pronoun or this or that name, you should just accept it and do it... it's weird you cannot provide the same courtesy to someone who does NOT want to be called "queer". You insist you have a right to call the "queer" no matter what, and that there's something wrong with them for not identifying with or wanting to be called with that label.

Do you see your own hypocrisy, R70/R73?

Unclench.

R81 I’m not that commenter but you’re being disingenuous. Like R73 said context is the important thing here. If someone calls you queer in a malicious way then you should be upset, but if a fellow gay person says it to you in a way that is not meant to be insulting, then you shouldn’t be insulted. Then you’re just being a baby, victimizing yourself and being a drama Queen. And then projecting an attitude onto the person that said it that was never there in the first place. Which isn’t how normal people socialize.

Also nobody is forcing you to self describe as queer so there’s really zero reason to be upset by this. It also again is worth saying, gay people have been using queer to self describe enthusiastically for four decades plus at this point, you’re being fraudulent if you’re acting like this is some new development only popular with the kids.

[quote] I want videos of hot man on man olympic sex, dammit.

r68, may I help you with Brazilian gymnast Arthur Nory? He was catfished once and has helped me through hard time since then.

How about we focus only on the LGBs?

R83 He doesn't fucking like it, quit trying to gaslight people. You're being deliberately obtuse, not everyone likes and they're not going to use it. You can say it's not offensive, bu

[quote] He doesn't fucking like it

So R86? Who gives a fuck what he irrationally likes or dislikes. This is about applying reasoning over time to socializing, and growing to understand the contextual use of language. If he’s not able do that because “I don’t like it” then he’s just an adult toddler still getting crusts cut off his sandwiches.

Like I said, nobody is forcing anyone to use it to self describe, but you gotta be an adult realize when a fellow gay person uses it to include you in a group you don’t go and piss and moan about it. You’re supposedly a grown up, then act like one. I grew up with ‘gay’ being used as an epithet, I’ve managed to do this thing called maturing and use it to describe myself, without hurling generalized insults at other gay people in the process, you losers should try the same thing.

The contextual use of language: "We're here, we're queer, get used to it" in the 1990s was an ironic chant used occasionally on marches or protests because it rhymed and "queer" was a funny word that would freak the straights out a bit. Gay people in the 1990s did not call themselves "queer" as an identity, sexuality or community. "Queer theory" is developing around this time, and claims that homosexuality is a "social construct", which not all gays agree with by any means.

"Queer" in the context of the 2020s: a pretentious, deceptive word favoured by the media because it's supposedly "inclusive" and covers gay men, bisexuals, lesbians, trans, nonbinary, genderqueer, etc. It's sole purpose is to erase the distinctions between lesbians, gay men, bisexual men, bisexual women, biological men who claim to be women and lesbians, nonbinaries, gay youth who are increasingly being given the impression (thanks partly to the use of the word queer) that if they're attracted to their own sex then they must be trans, confused young women who get their tits chopped off because they've been told that's fighting the patriarchy, straight girls who want to be edgy, etc., etc. "Queer" is a way of lumping all this lot in with the gays so they can steal all the work we've done over the past decades while at the same time erasing the gays.

If you want to call yourself queer, then go ahead, but don't impose that word on everyone else, especially when we're telling you we think it's shit.

R80 Really? A thread about the Olympics includes sports? That's INSANE

BTW, Have YOU conducted a poll of people who use "LGBTQ" and "Queer" to see if they want biological men in women's sports? OR are you talking out of your ass like you accused R77?

See how that works?

You sound confused, r89. But I'm impressed by your suggestion that people who use terms like LGBTQ are opposed to biological men in women's sports. That would mean that the LGBTQ do not believe that transwomen are women. Which would mean that the T in LGBTQ and the trans who call themselves queer do not believe that transwomen are women.

R90 Nahh, not confused at all, and I did not suggest anything. You criticized someone for making an ASSumption, and I did the same to you.

You're just being a contrarian.

Honestly, we’re just here for hot gays with hot bodies. Fuck off with your queer politics.

Yeah, show us some Olympic men for men.

This diver came close to death. Coming out as gay helped him reach the Olympics.

Maxim Bouchard represented Canada with pride at the Olympic Games, after overcoming obstacles that once seemed impossible.

[quote] Coming out as gay helped him reach the Olympics.

Good. Coming out as “gay” is the right answer.

Damn, I wanna snack on Max…