BREAKING: Joe Biden is not seeking re-election - Part 2

Oh, fuck off, R1, you silly cunt.

[quote]They've disenfranchised millions of voters. The DNC pushing Biden out is the biggest assault on our democracy since the Civil War. Shame on all of them.

The RNC has been trying out different talking points all day.

So Joe stepping down is worse than trying to overthrow an election? Sure, Jan

This all really does feel like a season of Scandal.

In America R1 the Vice President is there to replace the President should the President have to step aside. The voters voted for Harris to be the Vice President. So this the opposite of an assault on democracy. I know this all must be mind boggling for you.

[quote]Biden has garnered 10X more goodwill and praise today than Trump did after his assassination attempt. People see what a good and honorable man Biden is. You can feel the tide turning.

I don't know if we just witnessed the country being saved or doomed, but something big has shifted.

There are reports that Joe Manchin is switching his affiliation back to Democrat to throw his hat in the ring for president.

What a cunt.

R1 Posting from...um, yesterday. Check today's zeitgeist. It's "thank you Joe" time.

Manchin will make NO headway if he does.

Manchin is about as likeable and trustworthy as RFK Jr. He needs to slither back into his hole.

IGNORE THE TROLLS!

MSNBC: Gavin Newsom endorses Harris.

WOW, r12. That’s huge,

I don't get the anger, R8. It's not like Manchin's talking about running as an independent. He's running as a Dem in the open convention. And he's not going to win.

I firmly believe that another term would have killed Biden. I hope this extends his life. Leaving aside politics, he is a good man who has been dealt too many bad hands. To lose your wife and daughter in a car accident and then have your son die of a brain tumor is brutal. It would be nice if he could now have several good years in Delaware with his grandkids and his dogs. Far away, in every sense, from that orange scourge.

The anti-Harris trolling is all over the map. It's surprising, I'd have expected that they would have gotten their talking points together better.

Republicans in disarray.

Democrats in array.

Kamala can't win

It looks like Harris has it. Anyone who could run against her is supporting her. I think it’s obvious they’re going to let her fight Trump and run in 28 if she loses.

If Trump wins, we'd have three consecutive one term presidents.

Although they need to get their tech people working. KamalaHarris.com still redirects to JoeBiden.com.

All Manchin will accomplish is to lose his hat.

R23, And who is President?

[quote] Kamala can't win

A bold statement for a country that elected a failed businessman & a cheesy reality tv host.

Manchin would actually be a great VP choice for Harris. Will never happen obviously.

R22, 1 + 1 = 2.

Are there ways to donate WITHOUT going through Act Blue? I made the mistake of donating a couple of times and have not stopped getting texts, emails and phone calls multiple times a day. I will not give them money ever again. As it was explained to me they get more money selling donor lists then they get from actual candidate donations. Fuck ‘em.

[quote][R23], And who is President?

It's a campaign site, boo boo, not an official government site.

r23 it directs to ActBlue for me.

R27, How so? Manchin the Quisling, Mr. Coal, would alienate multitudes of Democrats.

[quote][R23] it directs to ActBlue for me.

Weird. Maybe I'm getting an older version, but I get a page talking about JD Vance and asking for a donation to reelect Biden and Harris. The actual donation page says Harris Victory Fund, but most of the text still says Biden/Harris.

He should resign now, so Kamala will have a few months to prove herself.

The entire election takes place in 7 or 8 key states. It’s not about pushing Dem turnout in blue states. It’s about independent voters in a few states.

Biden should NOT resign. That’s ridiculous.

All of these “a woman/gay man/brown person can never win…….because those middle Americans won’t vote for them” are full of shit. It’s political “won’t anyone think of the children” Just grow a pair and admit that you are uncomfortable with the idea. Then remember that Harris would win against Trump in every western democracy. She can win. Pete could win some day. But you don’t help when you let rural, uneducated, low information voters live in your head

I'm so proud to be a Democrat today.

They're flailing.

Mexico elected a woman.

The UK elected a prosecutor.

I'm reminded of something that Samantha Bee said in the first Blue Wave election (in 2017): All we have to do is show up.

Agree with r17

r38 I wonder how it feels for her to know that she was just too fucking ugly for the job?

Not just *in* array, r19, but *quite* the array!

Am I the only one who doesn’t consult the bots on DL for political guidance?

[quote]Tomorrow I am introducing a resolution condemning Kamala Harris’ role as Joe Biden’s “Border czar” leading to the most catastrophic open border crisis in history.

You can almost smell the desperation.

Go to Act Blue and donate folks. Let's make this a record day in American politics. You can "unsubscribe" to the subsequent texts and emails from Act Blue later.

Republicans are sitting on their thumbs after they tweet incoherent attacks on Harris.

Rosie posted this yesterday before the news was announced. She makes many good points and I find her little talks to be soothing.

But you, Pres. Cleveland (@ R22), were not precluded by a constitutional amendment from running for reelection in 1896 (as a newly-elected Trump would be in 2028).

Even PAKISTAN elected a woman, r39

I justfeel relief that the Biden saga is over, and even some hope.

[quote] He should resign now, so Kamala will have a few months to prove herself.

And allow the likely acting vice president Mike Johnson to do what Mike Pence refused to do in 2017?

Me too, r49. I am optimistic for the first time in a while.

There is no "border crisis" (although I give it 2 months until we hear about the "caravans" again). What there is, is two-fold:

Border Patrol stopping record numbers of attempts; and

Republican smugness in their lies, as they know we can't verify OR disprove their claims.

R47, Cleveland served two terms. If Trump is elected and lives until 2029 January, HE will have served two terms. So your "3 consecutive one-termers" would be, I believe, inaccurate, if we mean the men and not the separated terms of office.

^ Trump, 2017-2021; Biden, 2021-2025; Trump, 2025-2029.

I’m thinking Josh Shapiro might be the VP pick. He’s very popular in PA and Dems need PA for the presidency. He’s a great guy and very smart, and he will smoke JD Vance in any debate.

Yes, r53. Did I not say that in r52?

But if one man serves two terms non-consecutively, is he a one-termer twice over, or a two-termer?

It's a silly digression, but still....

In any case, I'm now bored. There is no more story until Joe speaks this week.

^I think - I hope - Joe is preparing a speech that will cause us all to bawl our eyes out (except for those MAGA cunts, of course), pass the torch all that & inspires everyone to go out & vote

Do you really think Trump gonna only serve one term this time ?

Well, R58, I think even this SCOTUS couldn't ignore the plain language of an actual constitutional amendment.

Bless your heart, r59.

R58, He can only serve one more term, legally.

Promising.

I’d be surprised if Biden now lives through 2025.

R62, Shocker!!!

[quote]There is no "border crisis"

That's funny. Come to Manhattan and take a look at all the migrants everywhere.

I didn’t see this coming. What a dramatic time for US politics. Good luck to Kamala. I don’t live there but I love your country annd many people who live there and you deserve better than that orange thing.

r66 has never been to Manhattan.

Nikki Haley voters PAC are endorsing Kamala.

Thank you, r67.

Honey I live here. Immigration is a big deal even among people who vote Democrat. NYers are sick of this shit. Fuckers are getting health insurance. HEALTH INSURANCE. Five minutes after they cross the border. Free hotel rooms and debit cards. It's bullshit.

Flog your strawman harder, R72.

When they're in mental decline it's time to leave the workforce r72.

And don't even get me started on wealthy Boomers who could retire tomorrow and live very comfortably for the rest of their lives but the stubborn old assholes just refuse to get out of the way. And they're never up to date with tech or anything else modern.

R72, if you’re going to troll, you gotta come up with something better than that.

[quote] I didn’t see this coming.

Are you Stevie Wonder?

AOC has endorsed Kamala. I'm loathe to mention that here, because I know how the DL hoi polloi view her, but that's the clearest sign of "Democrats in Array" that I've seen.

All the squad except Rashida. Up to over 30 million dollars today.

Yeah, it's all falling into place so quickly. I'm a little surprised by that, but I guess after this hell week, or two weeks or whatever, everyone's just ready to be done with all the upheaval and uncertainty. I know I am. Just ready to get onto supporting Kamala Harris and her runningmate and winning this damn thing.

Kamala ain't winning, unfortunately. The next four years are going to be hell.

^ Hallelujah, Miss Cleo has returned from the dead!!!

AOC was pro-Biden, of course she was going to endorse Kamala. I agree with r79, we are all SO EXHAUSTED and just ready to fucking fight, and this feels like a bolt of lightning. I am excited about the race for the first time this year. I feel genuinely hopeful again.

[quote]All the squad except Rashida. Up to over 30 million dollars today.

Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, and Adam Kinzinger all but endorsed her as well.

I'm a bit high, so who knows, but I'm hopeful. For the first time I'm seeing a light.

[quote]The next four years are going to be hell.

For you, r80? How so? If Trump wins he'll deal with that horrible migrant problem you're always complaining about.

Fuck! I’ve been out all day with a dead phone. Now I log on and see this?

I feel bad for Joe. Poor dude. Stabbed in the back.

Let’s stop the infighting and elect Kamala!

Rashida Tlaib is a Palestinian first and an American second, that’s her lens, with what’s happened to Gaza. Understandable but I wouldn’t take it as a wider sign of problems in the progressive wing.

Rachel Maddow has pointed out that Schumer and Pelosi have not yet endorsed Harris.

Claire McCaskill is supposed come on and be interviewed about why they haven't done it - yet.

I can't remember who it was but some political person on Twitter was saying they were being told to hold their horses on calling out Pelosi, implying that it's coming but it'll be a bigger more official type thing than a tweet

Schumer, Pelosi and that cunt Clooney had best get their asses in front of a mic and give their full throated endorsement of Kamala.

Then shriek Dump is TOO FUCKING OLD!!! Ad infinitum

$47M donated to ActBlue today. In seven hours.

R90, Lucie Arnaz donated $50.00.

She tried to donate more but the ghost of Gary advised against it

Totally agree with R17. Well said. Biden must be showered with love and goodwill now.

[quote]Hallelujah, Miss Cleo has returned from the dead!!!

All told, Miss Cleo's predictions were more truthful and accurate than Trump's acceptance speech.

Gary Burghoff predicted this would all happen

R93, Please, no more showers.

Can you imagine if Trump just decides to thrown in the towel and is like “ I’m not doing this shit anymore”

Trump is already trying to dodge the September debate. He said it should be held on Fox News instead of "biased" ABC. I knew he'd weasel out.

Trump will only honor the September debate if he's behind.

I don't think Trump CAN bow out, he needs to be President so he can weasel out of all his crimes (not that he's exactly had the worst run of doing just that anyway) but I was trying to mentally game out what would happen if he did drop out. It's not the same with him since he's just been officially nominated, while Biden hadn't yet. Would Vance become the candidate? The GOP has become such a cult around that one bloated disaster conman I don't see how they pick up the pieces without him - without a complete meltdown.

[quote]Can you imagine if Trump just decides to thrown in the towel and is like “ I’m not doing this shit anymore”

What are you even talking about R97? Never gonna happen.

Kamala in 1986 at Howard University.

[quote]Can you imagine if Trump just decides to thrown in the towel and is like “ I’m not doing this shit anymore”

Alas, r97....he can't.

Trump agreed to Biden’s ground rules in the first debate.

Only fair that the Democratic candidate reciprocates in the September debate.

Trump made a hell of a lot of money by claiming the last election was stolen, if he loses he will of course claim he was cheated and beg his donors to contribute to fight fight fight and send me money. No one will send money to him if he drops out.

I still have this vision of him disappearing for a few days and then suddenly reappearing in St. Petersburg. Hopefully in a rambling video declaring that Kamala and the Deep State are trying to kill him and although he wanted to stay and fight for all you, the little people, he had no choice but to run. But for anybody who wants to help, here is a GoFundMe that you will all want to contribute to.

I know he won't, but I have a dream!

While we're all dreaming and speculating, why not have Bernie as VP?

[quote]There are reports that Joe Manchin is switching his affiliation back to Democrat to throw his hat in the ring for president.

People should hold back their hate until some polling is done to see how Manchin fares against Trump. He might poll higher than Harris.

Taylor Swift will probably work her ass off getting the girl power vote out. I doubt many football fans will vote blue but Travis Kelsey might be able to pull a few over.

CNN: All 50 Dem state chairs signal support for Harris.

Dems in array!

Yeah, no r109. I'm going to go ahead and say Joe Manchin can keep his dreary old ass home, and we can skip whatever nonsense he thinks anybody wants from him.

[quote] While we're all dreaming and speculating, why not have Bernie as VP?

No more old farts, for the love of god!!! The only way to motivate young voters is to get (relatively) fresh faces in there who are sharp, articulate, and without one foot in the grave.

[quote]MAGA world and its bots are in full freakout and bombarding TLs with keywords like coup.

Biden loyalists, including those on DL, were stating before today that Biden primary voters would be "disenfranchised" if Biden were forced to drop out. Now that it's happen, their tune has totally changed. Now, and only now, are they criticizing and warning about the same sentiment that they themselves were expressing.

Joe Manchin is a mega cunt!

Exactly r113 and the Dem party has an enormous roster of good young candidates. The list of names I'm seeing are all terrific options. I've come around on Bernie some since 2016 but Kamala just set fire to the OLD MAN narrative and picking an old man would be real dumb

Fyi, r117, that's exactly how Stephen Miller talks about everything. I guess if that's a meltdown, he has one every day.

[quote]Biden loyalists, including those on DL, were stating before today that Biden primary voters would be "disenfranchised" if Biden were forced to drop out

Good thing Biden wasn’t forced out, then.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, r114.

Now let's all get with the program, turn that frown upside down, and let's get Kamala elected.

This is wild....

This will be the first election since 1976 without a Biden, Bush or Clinton on the ticket. 1980 Reagan-Bush vs Carter-Mondale 1984 Reagan-Bush vs Mondale-Ferraro 1988 Bush-Quayle vs Dukakis-Bentsen 1992 Bush-Quayle vs Clinton-Gore 1996 Dole-Kemp vs Clinton-Gore 2000 Bush-Cheney vs Gore-Liebermann 2004 Bush-Cheney vs Kerry-Edwards 2008 McCain-Palin vs Obama-Biden 2012 Romney-Ryan vs Obama-Biden 2016 Trump-Pence vs Clinton-Kaine 2020 Trump-Pence vs Biden-Harris

^sorry about the formatting. Hit post too soon.

[quote]No more old farts, for the love of god!!! The only way to motivate young voters is to get (relatively) fresh faces in there who are sharp, articulate, and without one foot in the grave.

100%!!!

First Harris ad?

Well, if this make Nazis heads explode, I’m all for it.

Because fuck a bunch of fucking Nazis!

R124, that's a leftover ad from 2019.

Sorry. That’s an old ad at R124.

Number of times Democrats have had a ticket with someone other than white male: 6. (If Harris pulls this off)

Number of times Republicans have had someone other than a white male on the ticket: 0.

I am not a Harris fan, I'm not. But dammit, there's momentum and excitement here and I think she can pull it off. Joe Biden saved the country again today and the Democrats, to their credit, are falling into array. I feel more hopeful than I have in weeks.

[quote]First Harris ad?

r124, that is a good ad. If it aired with an absence of anti-Harris ads, it could be effective. However, I think the anti-Harris ads will easily overpower her good ad.

[quote]I feel more hopeful than I have in weeks.

Same here R129. I feel like the sun has come out and there is a much more reasonable chance of winning now.

[quote] Number of times Republicans have had someone other than a white male on the ticket: 0.

You forget Sarah Palin. I wish I could forget her too.

[quote] I feel like the sun has come out and there is a much more reasonable chance of winning now.

At least there's a chance where before there was none.

We’ve become so accustomed to such ancient politicians, I completely lost sight of the fact that this more youthful replacement is almost 60.

[quote] At least there's a chance where before there was none.

You have brought hope to those who have none.

Exactly R133. There was sadly no chance with Biden as candidate. (He didn't do anything wrong but he had to retire).

It was going to be keep Biden and certainly lose or replace Biden and at least have a chance of winning. Now we have a chance.

[quote] Whatever nefarious Russian anti-Biden AI bot farm bullshit trump was relying on to win are now useless. That’s why he’s so pissed.

Isn't it delicious?

Agree r129. I've been thinking for a few days this was going to happen, ever since the news that Nancy Pelosi had basically told Biden it was time to go. But I thought I'd feel all this worry and conflict about whether this was a good decision or the right decision and how exactly everyone will navigate this unprecedented thing and on and on.

I feel nothing but a huge relief and a huge sense of hope.

R132. Touche. Thanks for the correction. I had mercifully forgotten her as well

[quote]why not have Bernie as VP?

Oh for God's sakes.

R101 he can't throw in the towel until he is elected so he can pardon himself. But he might do that after he is elected and it would of course guarantee Vance as president which would be some shit. I would prefer Trump's bullshit to Vance who is probably more dangerous. Trump is more liberal than Vance. Vance thinks people shouldn't be allowed to vote if they don't have children and he thinks Domestic Violence is fine. He thinks even married couples should be allowed birth control.

^^ should not

Hi R141. Yes that's what I said too.

Your comment should be addressed to R97.

The dumb-ass Russian bots are desperately trying to start a new "birther" thing:

Joe needs to put his feet up and enjoy himself.

[quote] Joe needs to put his feet up and enjoy himself.

And take advantage of his "presidential immunity" during the remainder of his term.

r146 Bad behaviour like that could prove a poisoned chalice for Kamala, glad he's not taking advice from DL.

[quote]I feel like the sun has come out and there is a much more reasonable chance of winning now.

I had this exact same thought on my morning run today. This actually seems doable.

Now is the winter of our discontent

Made glorious summer by this daughter of Oakland;

And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house

In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.

Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths

Oh sorry R143

"Beating Trump won’t be any easier than it was in 2020. But Democrats are better positioned than the pundits will tell you to run against the man and what has become of the Republican Party— because, while the GOP is now a cult of personality, the United States is not." - John Nichols

We'll have to see how Democrats handle the early virtual roll-call that is needed to get on the Ohio ballot.

[quote]We'll have to see how Democrats handle the early virtual roll-call that is needed to get on the Ohio ballot.

Sorry, I see now that the deadline was extended. I wasn't paying attention to it when that happened.

Before today, Donald Trump was measuring drapes for the White House. Now he’s getting measured for prison blues.

^ But I was shot.

This ruined Trump’s day.

Mary!

Obviously the Tweet at r156 was not and could not have been written by Trump. The punctuation alone is too on point, never mind the coherence.

Do they think that calling Joe a Trojan Horse that cost them money and time is a good look?

Someone ^ mentioned that Trump is more liberal than Vance and y’know Republicans have decided that spouting the most horrific, regressive, mean spirited views will get them into power. I don’t know if Vance really believes those things. His life choices suggest he does not. We know for sure that Trump doesn’t believe what he says. Republican voters are very comfortable with hypocrisy and they believe words, not actions. In its current state, the party is a grifters paradise. A grifter doesn’t have to change anything about his life, just say shit and it’s all taken at face value.

I can't believe society has reached a place where I can say "I wish there were more people like Mitt Romney," but here we are.

Poor Trump. Nobody’s talking about his all-rather-suspicious assassination attempt anymore. Maybe he’ll stage something else.

r161 I was so sure that shooting would have enormous political repercussions. It's almost shocking how quickly people have moved on from it, and it only happened like nine days ago. Of course, it helps that the shooter was one of theirs.

He didn't even look badass with that enormous patch on his ear at the convention, he just looked pathetic and weak.

Via mouthpiece Mike "the cunt" Johnson - the GOP are threatening various legal actions because the Democratic Party changed candidates. They thought they would have an easy win against Biden and things have suddenly changed.

LOL! Tough titty and fuck all of them.

Musk tweeted 121 times yesterday, the most tweets per day ever. He's totally unbothered by this development, obviously.

[quote]Via mouthpiece Mike "the cunt" Johnson - the GOP are threatening various legal actions because the Democratic Party changed candidates. They thought they would have an easy win against Biden and things have suddenly changed.

Okay, if they're freaking out and flailing this much, then I know this was the right call, as painful as it is.

Fuck that cunt Musk too. Fuck all of 'em.

R162 Should be a warning to him and frankly everyone. Had he been shot, the country would have moved on in 2 weeks. The death of a beloved household name actor holds the nation for about 4 hours. A mass shooting even less, 2 hours and the news has moved on.

[quote]He didn't even look badass with that enormous patch on his ear at the convention, he just looked pathetic and weak.

*Tampon on his ear.

He's gonna wish he died in that shooting after Kamala is done with him.

[quote]Poor Trump. Nobody’s talking about his all-rather-suspicious assassination attempt anymore.

R161 does anyone seriously think that an unskilled shooter was trying to only hit the tip of his ear?

Nobody even cares R170.

I think this is correct. MAGAts love Trump's casual cruelty, largely because it has given them permission to engage their own worst impulses, but the majority of Americans are turned off by it.

It will get really ugly, though.

[quote]I was so sure that shooting would have enormous political repercussions. It's almost shocking how quickly people have moved on from it

It's because of who Trump is. Everyone acknowledges his astonishing luck - but due to his disgusting character the sane population has no inclination to wallow in sympathy.

Trump will naturally still attempt to wring pathos and admiration by saying he 'took a bullet for democracy.' But in fact he suffered a flesh-wound. It was a blameless fireman who took a bullet.

Big events will continue to make Trump's flesh-wound recede into irrelevance, try otherwise as he will. As we've already seen, this'll make his bitter tweets all the more berserk - yet more useful material to show the weirdly undecided what horror needs to be crushed in November.

Bracing for those first Trump/Kamala polls... Hopefully they aren't too devastating.

We're probably getting the first post-convention, post-Vance polls this week. The size of the bump should be pretty telling.

[quote] Bracing for those first Trump/Kamala polls... Hopefully they aren't too devastating.

Well the republicans were running essentially unopposed of late, with Biden's candidacy in limbo & (justifiably) under attack by his own party.

I think it looked more like a maxi pad on his ear than a tampon.

Some of those MAGATs must be remembering the preaching around Revelation 13:3 and feeling uncomfortable.

r172 Prepare for four years of them calling her Camel Toe. And you know what, I don't care, as long as it's President Camel Toe.

He didn't look presidential at all with that maxi pad strapped to his ear during his big speech. He looked like an emasculated victim. Which his people hate.

[quote] Musk tweeted 121 times yesterday, the most tweets per day ever.

Some of it was crowing about news reports that people close to Biden and in his campaign learned about Biden stepping down by seeing it on X, not from being told. He’s boasting about X being the best source for news.

Everyone knows DL is the best source for news.

[quote]Musk tweeted 121 times yesterday, the most tweets per day ever.

Doesn't he have a job?

[quote]Doesn't he have a job?

Yes, promoting X, among other things. This morning he’s promoting xAI.

I think now that the Democrats are united, they are UNSTOPPABLE.

Everybody wants to see Trump behind bars. Everybody wants to see the SCOTUS expanded - by a black, female President, just to wipe those smirks off those Conservative judges’ faces. Everybody wants to deal with climate change and maintain a booming economy, etc.

Trump is a lost cause now and he knows it.

Absolutely

[quote] Win or lose, I cannot wait to read the books that will come out of this!

Suggested title for one such book: "24 Days".

I think the ugliness will work in the Democrats favor because it will get terribly ugly.

This is going to be close in all likelihood, nail biter close, but I think it would have been, in the end, even with Biden as nominee. It will come down to slivers of voters in suburbs and amongst women. Those people are likely to take a broader view of the election than your run of the mill rural voter outside these groups. So the more ugly they see, if Harris presents as calm, capable and with a clear, mostly moderate view of moving ahead, they will move toward her and she will carry the day.

But the polls will probably freak us out through November and it will be terrifyingly close, but I think she will prevail and I think the Republicans and Trump will help her as much as anything else. She's basically Biden without the age worries. Biden's biggest strength was he's not Trump. Neither is she.

There's speculation that RFK, Jr., will use his presser today to endorse Trump. I hope so. He'd then no longer be a place for the double haters to park their protest vote.

People baying for blood just need to be mindful of the fact that a woman being nasty even once is perceived differently than Trump being nasty 24/7.

Save it, R188. Gloves are off--period. Being "ladylike" will get her NOTHING.

[quote] But the polls will probably freak us out through November and it will be terrifyingly close, but I think she will prevail

Get ready for three months of Kamala people on DL ranting about how the polls are wrong and can’t be trusted.

Look how Hillary was punished for her prophetic "basket of deplorables" comment.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will), but isn't Trump & Co's claim of "fraud" unfounded, as the primary was voting for a Biden/Harris ticket, not just Joe Biden, right? So. Kamela taking over for Joe as candidate is legit.

r192 Yes, it's completely unfounded. Let's not even get into the fact that the Dem convention hasn't even happened and no Dem candidate has been chosen yet.

To add to what R193 said, until the convention chooses the candidate, Biden (just like Dump until last week) was the presumptive nominee, nothing more.

Chris Murphy CT with a good summary of the Biden administration and an endorsement of Harris.

FLASHBACK: Nikki Haley in January:

"The first party to retire its 80 year old candidate is going to be the one who wins this election."

No chance that Haley would reaffirm that statement now.

Haley will detach her mouth from Trump's hole when Kamala is declared the winner, and will reattach it in 2028 when Trump runs again. She has no principles of any kind.

Have all those people who unsubscribed from The New York Times now re-subscribed?

[quote] post-Vance polls

I’m glad DL polls are read like tea leaves by the political cognoscenti.

No, we're waiting for the "Trump is too old" articles to come out first.

When LBJ withdrew from the 1968 campaign, he was just 60 years old.

R202, Actually, he was still 59.

And then LBJ died 5 years later at age 73.

Kamala Harris is the least qualified candidate for President in American history.

R204, No, sweetie. LBJ was 64 when he died.

r204 Off by almost a decade. Gurl, pull yourself together.

Calm down, girls.

In the first few minutes of this 1996 interview, Lauren Bacall doubts that there will ever be a female President in this country.

No, MAGAt at R205, that would be Dump. Now fuck off, cunt.

[quote]Kamala Harris is the least qualified candidate for President in American history.

Less qualified than Forrest Trump?

Oy, vey!

Has Kamala Harris ever won or even placed in a primary or caucus for President of the United States?

Answer: No.

She was on the ticket that won the presidential election. That trumps any kind of primary or caucus.

I see it said that dumping Biden and putting in Kamala may be just for saving the down ballot races. There’s an expectation that Kamala would also lose, but she won’t drag down the Democratic House and Senate candidates the way Biden would have.

Bless your heart, R215.

Just stating the facts but thank you, r217.

Manchin says he's not running.

[Quote] Has Kamala Harris ever hosted the #1 rated tv show

### MAGA has entered the chat ###

Please speculate some more, I love reading this shit.

[quote]Has Kamala Harris ever hosted the #1 rated tv show?

Is that the show about which a producer of said programme recently wrote a long detailed article, concluding with his having heard, in company, the presenter using the n-word? Just checking.

Because being a reality star is all one needs to be to be qualified to be the fucking president.

I always was amazed at how Republicans made people believe that having prior government experience was a bad thing. Would you board a plane if the pilot had never flown an airplane?

LOL you idiots are so wound you can’t detect sarcasm anymore

Apparently, black voters don't care about that, if they're flocking to him now in large numbers?

[quote] so wound

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This is a perspective from Canada... it makes some positive observations about Harris' candidacy:

"To understand why better-informed Democrats have come to that conclusion, it may be worth looking at polls – but not the ones we usually see. In those, Mr. Biden has consistently averaged several points behind Mr. Trump since his shambolic June 27 debate performance gave voters a sense that he was suffering a serious impairment.

Ms. Harris has generally fared a bit better. When voters are asked about a hypothetical Trump-Harris election, she has sometimes come out ahead by a couple points, sometimes behind. But those polls aren’t that useful, because most Americans know little about their Vice-President.

More important are surveys that pit Mr. Trump against what pollsters call “generic Democrat” – that is, any opponent who isn’t Mr. Biden. The last time this was asked directly in a large-scale poll, in November by NBC News, Mr. Biden lost by two points to Mr. Trump while the generic figure won by an impressive six points. Another poll this month showed “generic Democrat” figures, albeit at the congressional level, leading Republicans by three points. Such polls have generally shown Democrats ahead of Republicans all year. Indeed, CNN found earlier this month that three times as many U.S. voters believed “someone else” would have a better chance of winning an election than Mr. Biden.

In other words, if you erase voter concern about Mr. Biden’s appearance of advancing age and incomprehensibility, and replace him with any Democrat who doesn’t have those liabilities, you probably have a winning candidate."

R228 delusion

[Quote] a producer of said programme

Says you, R228--with no better answer.

WTF does that even mean, R231?

R205, r214, Stop the stupidity.

Trump was NOTHING in politics before he ran for President.

From Tim Alberta.

[quote]Most striking thing I heard from Trump allies yesterday was the second-guessing of JD Vance—a selection, they acknowledged, that was borne of cockiness, meant to run up margins with the base in a blowout rather than persuade swing voters in a nail-biter.

John Heilemann said something similar, R235 – the Trump campaign was convinced it was going to win in a landslide, so they doubled down on the crazy rather than select someone who could potentially broaden the appeal of the ticket.

Tant pis.

My own two cents is that they should take care in not softening up Kamala like they tried to do to Hillary. I think if Kamala projects toughness along with intelligence, that’s a winning combination. She needs to especially come after Dump—pour it on, show the world how incompetent he is. And be relentless!

Kamala and Hillary are two different beasts. Fair or unfair, Hillary came with a decade of baggage and a unique level of partisan revulsion. Hold your caftans, again, I'm not saying it was fair and yes, yes, she won the popular vote but how'd that work out for her (and us?) HRC was a far more complicated prospect than Harris, and she ran a campaign that could have been better.

If Kamala is as open to advice as the party is to her candidacy, she can do it. 100%. And what a miracle that would be: America electing it's first woman and of color. Fucking mind blowing.

I disagree she needs to go too hard on Trump. Trump is baked in. She can paint the contrasts, for sure, but she's a fresh start, she needs to look forward. Overdumping on Trump is stuck in the past, which was Biden's second biggest problem after the perception of his age and mental capacity. It's a fine line and I'm not looking to deprive anybody of their Trump bating or bashing entirely, but she cannot run too heavily on bashing Trump. To look forward will be to draw the greatest contrast. The candidates who land big wins are the optimists: Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy...

He looks almost Asian from this angle. Such a strange, strange creature.

Her strongest fear points are choice, the Court and Project 2025.... esp '25 because the wheels are coming off Trump's claim he knows nothing, nothing, nothing.

I've already heard several people say Kamala did nothing as VP. So I guess that's the initial talking point being pushed by the right.

I don't recall anyone characterizing the job performance of Mike Pence, Joe Biden, Dick Cheney or any other male VP as "well, they've done nothing."

[quote]Kamala Harris is the least qualified candidate for President in American history.

Odd, a new Trump Super Pac ad claims that Kamala was actually running the country while Biden was "in decline."

Poised, confident, relaxed. She might just do this. From the 5:00 minute mark.

. . .

R234, Trump had decades of success as a businessman, useful experience for a President.

Yes, multiple bankruptcies are great experience, r246!

R247 is unaware of how the corporate business world operates.

r245 I don't think I've ever heard that word used for an older woman before, how unbelievably crass. Then again, the vulgarity is all they have left.

Megyn Kelly is truly hateful. I don't think it's an act, she is a truly terrible person filled with hate, if you go by the garbage continually coming out of her mouth.

R246 bahahahaha. Try again clown.

You mean the Trump "business" world r248, but then again you're just throwing Trump Cult bullshit out there, pretty much for the fuck of it.

Breathe, and grieve.

Megan Kelly, still a nasty CUNT!

More vileness.

[quote]JD Vance says Kamala Harris is a “childless cat lady” who is “miserable” because she didn’t have children & not having children means that she doesn’t have “a direct stake” in America.

^ Go tan your testicles with Tucker, JD.

Pelosi just endorsed her.

I've been no fan of Harris, but willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully, she'll learn from some of Clinton's mistakes.

Pelosi took one look at those ActBlue numbers today and thought, "I've seen enough."

Has there ever been anybody as effective in American politics as Nancy Pelosi? She's an Italian powerhouse.

Many comments today at certain sites by (mostly) older women grieving over the "backstabbing" of Joe. They are [italic]hurting[/italic]!

r260 They'll get over it, just as Berners (mostly) got over the 2020 primary when it was time to vote in the general.

[quote]in 2028 when Trump runs again.

Surely he will have stroked out by then?

r262 I've been hearing that prediction every single year since 2016.

When he loses this time, the party will turn on him.

[quote]When he loses this time, the party will turn on him.

He'll put on his little black leather fascist gloves, shout, "We're going to march on THE CAPITOL..." - but no one will be there.

Here's a handy endorsement tracker, for all your endorsement needs.

My friend has friends in the DNC / high-wealth donors, and this has been in the works for months, and the final candidate will be...Michelle Obama. She will do it just to beat Trump despite her desire to not do it. She has a better chance than Kamala or any other candidate.

[quote]JD Vance says Kamala Harris is a “childless cat lady”

Oh, hell no! We gotta get rid of these anti-cat Nazi motherfuckers.

Thank you, R225!

[quote]Has there ever been anybody as effective in American politics as Nancy Pelosi?

Thankfully the Republicans don't really have anyone like her.

[quote]and the final candidate will be...Michelle Obama.

Not gonna happen.

Michelle Obama is not qualified to be president. She doesn't want the job and she would probably lose. It would be putting president Obama in his third term.

[Quote]My friend has friends in the DNC / high-wealth donors, and this has been in the works for months, and the final candidate will be...Michelle Obama. She will do it just to beat Trump despite her desire to not do it. She has a better chance than Kamala or any other candidate.

I have never heard anyone day they seriously want her, or even say much about her at all. Still can't believe that, what is the number cited, 60%? seriously want her to run?

When Michelle was out campaigning for Hillary in 2016, she was so good at it, I commented at the time that if she ever did run for office, I’d move to be able to vote for her.

But that being said, the stakes are too high. As much as I like her, and as much as I think she’s a brilliant woman who probably would be a good president, this is not the time.

It's a silly myth that has floated around and will probably float around forever r273. You may as well look for the magical Oprah candidacy that will inevitably win every single state. Ain't real, ain't happening, ain't anything.

Willie Brown speaks . . .

Trump's businesses have only declared bankruptcy six times. That is truly the mark of success.

R277, Over six decades.

. . .

[quote]Ohio Republican State Sen. George Lang told the crowd at Sen. JD Vance’s first solo rally as Donald Trump’s running mate that it would take a “civil war” to save the country if the GOP ticket isn’t elected this fall.

Right as if they could R280

Wow!

[quote]Trump had decades of success as a businessman,

Trump Airlines

Trump Beverages

Trump The Game

Trump Casinos

Trump Magazine

Trump Mortgage

Trump Steaks

Trump's Travel Site

Trump Tower Tampa

Trump University

Trump Vodka

Trump Fragrances

Trump Mattress

[quote] I've been no fan of Harris, but willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.

What choice do you have, R257?

R283, the problem for Democrats is that literally all of Trump’s past and present is already baked into the numbers. It has no additional impact beyond the impact it already had. Harris, on the other hand, can still go up or down based on what is said about her before the election. It’s possible that her current 39% approval rate is her high water mark.

[quote]It’s possible that her current 39% approval rate is her high water mark.

But not bloody likely.

[quote]the problem for Democrats is that literally all of Trump’s past and present is already baked into the numbers.

Which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Moving the goalposts, are we, r246/r248?

And how naive ARE you to regard Trump as a "businessman," when what he was, and remains, is a conduit for Russian Mob money (people who think his bankruptcies, particularly of his AC casinos, weren't Mob 101 also are naive)? He owes the oligarchs bigly, and they want our Top Secrets as payment.

Now, you may counter as Michael Corleone did, with "Who's naive, Kay" in regards to the world of politics, and you may be accurate in finding it just like the corrupt world of business, in which case Trump's life was indeed preparation for the White House.

Regardless, in terms of actual dictionary-definition political experience pre-Presidency, Trump had zero.

I prefer businessmen who haven't declared bankruptcy.

[quote]*Tampon on his ear.

Panty liner on his ear.

Did the Republicans have their convention yet? With the timing of the Biden announcement, the convention and the publicity for it is but a distant memory.

if Pelosi was aware that the latest polling was going to show the GOP ahead by 5 points in the generic Congressional vote, that may have been the impetus for her and others to go nuclear and demand Biden drop out immediately.

Trump Mattress R283? How did I miss that one? The thought of it immediately conjures up bedbugs and a giant blood stain.

[quote] the convention and the publicity for it is but a distant memory.

Considering the history of political conventions in the U.S., that’s the best outcome. When people remember conventions, it’s always for something bad (e.g. Chicago, 1968).

[quote]The thought of it immediately conjures up bedbugs and a giant blood stain.

Probably used mattresses from his hotels.

Bless your delusional heart, R288.

Trump seems so incredibly old and dated all of a sudden

He already was, the switch makes it more obvious.

like an old broken down pile of crap

Yeah, it's true r297. Weird old rambling fuck with nothing to say. Grandpa Simpson pretending to be some world leader.

R297, exactly. He is not the “change” candidate. He’s the same old-same old.

[quote] Trump seems so incredibly old and dated all of a sudden

Yep, he really does

I'm sure Andrea Mitchell will change her tune on Trump's youthful vitality.

Kamala Harris has pulled in $81 million in donations after Biden exited the race on Sunday, setting a new national record, her campaign announced Monday.

The donations add up to the highest amount raised by one candidate within a 24-hour period and include funds from more than 888,000 grassroots donors, 60% of whom were identified as first-time donors in the 2024 cycle, according to a statement released by her campaign.

For comparison, Trump’s campaign said it pulled in nearly $53 million in the 24 hours after his New York felony conviction in May. That sum was boasted at the time as breaking online records for Republicans.

I donated for the first time in many months. I suspect there's a lot of pentup demand, or I guess supply in this case.

Just out of curiosity, how exactly are people donating? What's the best way, or link? I did Act Blue

[quote]I did Act Blue

Ah, yes, the Alex Forrest of fundraising platforms.

[quote] 60% of whom were identified as first-time donors in the 2024 cycle

This is the important part. The majority of the country was begging for a new nominee not named Trump or Biden.

A good chunk of those 60% were going to sit this election out and not vote. Democratic enthusiasm was on the floor, which is why Biden had to be replaced.

R306 I did Act Blue too

I made a large donation on ActBlue, but she’s got new merch in her campaign store and I kind of want this one.

Or this.

I donated after Joe’s bad debate performance. And I donated to Kamala last night. I’m proud to support them.

Risky move!!!!

Joe Biden was the most voted person in the history of the US, and like it or not he had the advantage of being a straight white male.

The average democrat couldn't care less about Kamala being a brown woman, they're all excited to vote for her or for whoever is not Dump.

But not everybody who voted for Biden in 2020 was an average democrat, if the independents who skipped the 2016 election also decide to skip this one, Dump becomes the president once again.

On the bright side Trump is now a convicted felon, which he wasn't before 2024, and everybody who hated him in 2016 and 2020 now hate him even more, So I am really hoping that Kamala will be the first female president of the USA from 2025 through 2033. It's about time.

Kamala 2025!

Slacker!

So dropping out of the race has affected Joe Biden's campaigning schedule, New York Post? Great, thanks for the breathless update.

Now do how Trump is heap big mad that he memorized all those old jokes about Biden and now they all suddenly apply to himself.

This was all planned. Just 5 mos. ago Joe gave a fiery SOTU speech with nary a blip, then moseyed out talking animatedly to all his old comrades. Are we to believe he has been overcome with dementia in 150 days?

Happy retirement, Joe!

"Hopefully, she'll learn from some of Clinton's mistakes."

What, no pantsuits? Hillary ran a respectable campaign. But how could she win against the Russiapublican kompromat machine and hackers?

Kamala’s speech to her campaign workers. Pretty inspiring!

R316 I was a caregiver for a dementia patient; she went from almost normal to shuffling/forgetful/unsteady/fixed stare in just 6 months.

I have a very bad feeling about President Joe's health. I believe it's much more serious than has been shared.

R320 So do I. I said in thread 1 that I thought he might resign, for whatever reason, during his 2nd administration.

Anybody saying MO is willing to get involved is either a trolling liar, a moron, or a deluded Pollyanna.

Michelle Obama would rather get poked in the eyes with a sharp stick.

Looking at the increased energy online over the last 24 hours…

This doesn’t feel like 2008, but it feels a lot closer to that than 2016.

Yes, things feel refreshing. There's some excitement in the air. Thank God.

[quote]Vice President Harris: As a former Attorney General and courtroom prosecutor, I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, and cheaters who broke the rules. So hear me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type.

I think we’re going to be okay.

Her speech was impressive, in content and delivery. I believe she has learned a lot. She was impressive and never sounded like she was trying to fake anything. That was HRC's problem... she wasn't a natural at communicating or connecting. Harris is much better at speaking than I expected.

CNN reporting that more than 28,000 volunteers have signed onto the Kamala campaign in the last 30 hours.

Well, she was a practicing attorney in litigation (court), so she should be able to speak in public.

[quote] Her speech was impressive, in content and delivery. I believe she has learned a lot. She was impressive and never sounded like she was trying to fake anything. That was HRC's problem... she wasn't a natural at communicating or connecting. Harris is much better at speaking than I expected.

And this when she didn’t know she’d be giving this speech 24 hours ago.

I admire Hillary. I was proud to vote for her in the 2008 primary (at the end of the day, the right candidate won, but I don’t regret that vote for a second) and equally proud in 2016.

But she was never that same kind of combo of fiery and warm that Kamala gave today. If she can keep it up, by god, we might just do this.

She’s always been a better debater and public speaker than Biden. Why are people surprised?

Keep trolling, r314, the NY Post can't do it alone.

Love this.

She was notorious for her word salads and cackling. The woman today was calm, cool, collected and plain spoken. She returned to prosecutor and abandoned candidate bullshitting. All the advice to be something you're not is how we got Elizabeth Warren having a beer.

R334. She “cackles” frequently during public addresses?

Rachel is saying the DUMP camp is 2nd guessing Vance as the VP pick!

They picked him to draw in donors (money) - now that Kamala brought in over 81Million in 1 day they are questioning their choice - too late!

Kamala needs to go after Trump but not his Magats, no basket of deplorable remarks. Comments like that just energize his base.

Can Trump dump Vance at this point?

Awkward given Johnson's threatened lawsuits to stop changes to the tickets.

R334, it wasl well-meaning but wrongheaded advice that the same men gave to Hillary, that she has to be likable. Bullshit advice. She just needs to be herself.

Kamala has a higher approval rating among democratic voters than Hillary did on Election Day 2016.

Might that be…enthusiasm?

As if that gasbag would know, R336.

lol... Rick Wilson (on Donny Jr.): "Cokely is shook."

r343 is also:

*I read the Fauci book*

[quote]“fauci” means “fraud” in Italian.

[quote]Fauci is well known for his sordid breath.

*BREAKING: Joe Biden is not seeking re-election - Part 2*

[quote]Kamala Harris is the least qualified candidate for President in American history.

[quote]R234, Trump had decades of success as a businessman, useful experience for a President.

I think we know who the gasbag is.

More Wilson:

She's secured enough delegates.

She's the presumptive nominee.

Yay! I’m so happy.

Me too.

I'm honestly hopeful. I was putting on a brave face and bracing for the worst, but I don't think we're preordained to lose anymore. The shift in energy is tangible.

Kamala needs to go for the jugular, whoever her running mate is needs to make Vance look like the empty suit he is, and they need an attack dog to go toe-to-toe with Trump's insults. I'd even suggest the sitting President.

[quote] Can Trump dump Vance at this point?

I'll tell my followers to build a noose. It almost worked last time.

I don't think she will win. She is too loopy and always seems a little drunk. I don't think the voters will warm up to her any more than they did in 2020.

I think Shapiro needs to be the VP nominee-

Mexico elected a woman.

The UK elected a prosecutor.

Get you a country that can do both.

R351. Agreed. After sharp-as-a-tack leaders like Biden, Trump, and the Bushes how does she dream that she could measure up? Silly old woman

Ok, so Kamala has now secured half the delegates which is what you need to be the nominee. She is now officially the nominee. Large donors have pledged 150 million and she raised 80 million on her own. The rest of Biden's money will go to her. there is almost 500 million in her coffers. She could win this.

[quote]The rest of Biden's money will go to her. there is almost 500 million in her coffers. She could win this.

She has a lot of catch-up to do. It's a big challenge to overcome a 8-10% deficit this close to the election. On the other hand, the TV and radio stations that end up will all the campaign cash will be happy no matter what.

[quote]Looking at the increased energy online over the last 24 hours… This doesn’t feel like 2008, but it feels a lot closer to that than 2016.

Yes, however I'm just hoping this energy will be sustained over the following three months, rather than being just an initial burst of euphoria that'll die down after a week.

R351 is a MAGA troll. His stink is all over anti-Dem and anti-Biden posts.

Love how The Atlantic centred his maxi pad in this shot.

[quote]Yes, however I'm just hoping this energy will be sustained over the following three months, rather than being just an initial burst of euphoria that'll die down after a week.

We may look back and liken it to the Donner Party happy to take the Hastings Cutoff instead of the well-established route.

[quote] We may look back and liken it to the Donner Party happy to take the Hastings Cutoff instead of the well-established route.

Or we may not. This is so silly, this deciding in advance exactly what is going to happen when this thing has barely started. And yes, this thing has barely started no matter what some dingbats said about Harris weeks or months ago. Nobody gives a shit, and nobody should give a shit.

If nothing else, it is starting with a huge bang of energy and excitement and contributions. Something has definitely changed here.

R359 he looks like my great grandfather, even when he’s spray painted to look human

From the Quinnipiac poll, this is very unexpected. I would think, even with sympathy for the shooting: "Donald Trump: 46 percent favorable, 49 percent unfavorable, 2 percent haven't heard enough about him - the highest favorability rating for Trump since the Quinnipiac University Poll first asked this question of registered voters in May 2015."

"Kamala Harris: 37 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable, 11 percent haven't heard enough about her."

Although Harris is a lot less popular, she still has 11 percent undecided about her and that leaves room for her to grow her favorability rating. Trump's favorability may wane as more time passes after the assassination attempt.

Dump is a crater faced hag

and this is why I can't take this shit too seriously r363. Here's 538 on Trump: 41% favorable, 53% unfavorable. Yes, bitch, they hate you, they really hate you, still.

r365, the polls taken before the shooting and the convention are lower and are going to bring down the average. It's the current polls that show that Trump got a favorability bump from the shooting, the convention, or both.

and that will undoubtedly fade, pretty quickly I assume r366. A cunt is a cunt is a cunt, and Trump will do everything in his power to remind everyone what a cunt he is every day. So no, I am not convinced that Trump is now permanently beloved by the nation. Sorry.

Keep trolling, r366.

I can believe that Trump is second-guessing Vance. IMO, that was a boring choice. I thought he was going to choose a woman or a black / biracial man.

Choosing a woman made the best sense this year, a frau to appeal to fraus struggling with abortion politics. A black man was virtually out of the question.

But regardless, for Trump, his inane and stupid bigotries will always win the day in the end. He must be beside himself at the terror that a black woman might be about to kick his ass.

[quote]I can believe that Trump is second-guessing Vance. IMO, that was a boring choice. I thought he was going to choose a woman or a black / biracial man.

What have you been smoking?! Dump would NEVER pick a non-white man as his running mate. He thinks ALL persons of color are unintelligent. Today the fat old pants-shitter had the nerve to call Kamala "dumb as a rock" (and yet he's petrified of debating her).

As for Vance, I knew the hair mousse, guy-liner, double chin-hiding beard, and procreating with a brown woman would be a turn-off to the "Alpha male" types who back Dump.

r368, Harris will very likely also get a post-convention bump.

[quote]Trump seems so incredibly old and dated all of a sudden

Plus he's seen his older dated needed easy opponent step aside, and be praised for it. Because that's what old dated men should do, is the earsplitting message.

Kamala so suavely saying she knows how to handle men like Trump brilliantly put him back in his sordid little box. The absolute lack of respect for his flesh-wound will incense him.

All Trump can do now is dredge for more ugliness. He has no charm energy or intelligence to contribute. The implosion will be spectacular and glorious.

[quote]Today the fat old pants-shitter had the nerve to call Kamala "dumb as a rock"

The same guy who cut her a $5,000 check when she ran for office in 2011. If she's that dumb, why did he fund her twice?

I said this in another thread, but Trump really is between a rock and a hard place.

All the usual insults that he and the right-wing media at large will try to fling at Kamala -- a la "dumb as a rock" -- are going to alienate the very same undecided voters that he desperately needs to win the election (women and people of color). At this point, I think anyone who is not a dyed-in-the-wool MAGA is tired of Trump: his insults, his capriciousness, his rancidness. Look at the way he's acted since the assassination attempt. He's a festering sore on the American body politic.

Unfortunately, Trump really doesn't have anything else to grab from his bag of tricks. He has no unifying ideas anymore. No "Build the wall" or "Lock her up." All that's left is bombast and insults. And as we've seen since 2015, there is no pivot. I was listening to right-wing media in the car yesterday (as is not my wont, but I wanted to get a sense of how they're framing Kamala). They, too, can only really insult Kamala based on identity. "She's the diversity hire you love to hate!" And "Dems can't win without cheating!" That's not nearly enough to sway anyone who wasn't already going to vote for Trump.

[quote]Donald Trump: 46 percent favorable, 49 percent unfavorable, 2 percent haven't heard enough about him

I really envy that 2 percent.

. . .

Looks like Trump has settled on an epithet for Kamala:

"Lyin’ Kamala Harris, the Biden appointed “Border Czar” who never visited the Border, and whose incompetence gave us the WORST and MOST DANGEROUS Border anywhere in the World, has absolutely terrible pole numbers against a fine and brilliant young man named DONALD J. TRUMP!"

"NBC News Poll: Lyin’ Kamala Harris is the most unpopular Vice President in history. WOW, that is not a great sound bite!"

The man is a) insane and b) a poor speller. Where are the editorials calling for him to exit the race?

Pole numbers

r378

[quote]Lyin’ Kamala Harris

Oh, honey, he's gonna have to do better than that. That's some weak sauce name calling.

R381, The cackling cunt?

As he limps closer and closer to defeat, he may get that desperate, R382.

Yes, r382. I'm sure misogynistic taunts will win over undecided women voters.

[quote]Lyin’ Kamala Harris is the most unpopular Vice President in history.

Notice the felon has started to drop his g (askin', lyin'), just like a real hillbilly. And Kamala's 'unpopularity' has just bagged the biggest sudden donation glut since records began. Trump sounds as insane as a flat-earther.

Oh please, please, please let Trump and Vance keep using misogynistic slurs against Harris.

That and insulting pet owners will clearly deliver the election.

. . .

“Kamala Harris’ office has had a staggering 91.5 percent turnover rate since she became vice president, an investigation from government watchdog organization Open The Books (OTB) revealed on Monday. Of the 47 staff members hired when Harris took office in 2021, only four reportedly remained in her employment as of March 2024.

The report comes as Biden’s X account announced he will “stand down” from his reelection campaign and “fully support” Harris as the new nominee. OTB utilized U.S. Senate disclosures to obtain records from the vice president’s office, including 2021 and 2024 payrolls.”

Now do Trump's cabinet.

A note for those freaking out over polling:

I am not saying the polls are wrong, and I'm not saying we can be complacent. However, as a reminder, in 2022, the Detroit Free Press had polling that showed Gretchen Whitmer was an extremely comfortable nine points ahead, and was cruising to reelection. But her Republican opponent published its own polls showing a much tighter race, and that sold more papers, so they released a series of articles about how she was struggling and might be in trouble. Fast forward to election day, she absolutely wiped the floor with him and won by an even larger margin than the non-biased polls suggested.

All this is to say that the media has an agenda, and it's not truth. If you really want a sense of what's going on, ignore the noise, ignore the concern trolling, and focus on how the campaigns are actually acting. I think it's very clear from how much the GOP is freaking out and don't know how to respond that they realize Harris has a real shot here. Don't get complacent: give money if you can, talk to people, and for God's sake, vote like your life depends on it. But the only sure way to lose is to give up.

Also, Nate Silver is Peter Thiel's butt boy now, so don't pay attention to a single thing he says.

BREAKING!

MSNBC reports the Harris campaign is vetting five candidates:

Roy Cooper

Tim Walz

Josh Shapiro

Gretchen Whitmer

Mark Kelly

There isn't a bad choice on that list.

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Lyin’ Kamala? Didn’t he use that insult for Lyin’ Ted Cruz? He isn’t creative enough to even come up with a new insult

Im surprised he hasn’t come up with whorin’ Kamala. Watch the women in this country really slap him down.

You know, if Megyn Kelly could get a big black cock shoved in her whatever, she'd be a happier person.

R394, Megyn Kelly is doing just fine at home. Hubby Doug Brunt is hot as fuck.

Doug looks gay AF

[quote]Hubby Doug Brunt is hot as fuck.

He's an average looking white man with roughly symmetrical features, so by DL standards, I suppose that does make him hot as fuck.

Just keep up the sexist attacks, GOP. Please. And then watch women voters hand the election to the Dems.

Best quote I've seen about yesterday:

[quote]I swear to god, this entire day feels like Joe lit the Beacons of Gondor and Rohan freaking ANSWERED.

Yeah, there's no way he mounts another comeback after this defeat. We're THIS close to getting rid of him forever, so we can't fuck this up.

Asked Monday morning if she was prepared to take the vice presidency if it was offered, Whitmer replied, “No, I’m not planning on going anywhere.”

“I am not leaving Michigan,” Whitmer told WLNS political reporter Tim Skubick caught up with her as she left an event at the state capitol. “I’m proud to be the governor of Michigan. I’ve been consistent. I know everyone is always suspicious and asking this question over and over again. I know you’re doing your job. I’m not going anywhere.”

It makes me laugh that governors of larger states are even being considered. They're far too big for the VP spot, I'd never take the job if I were them. So I totally get where Whitmer is coming from.

My feeling is, at this point, anyone who is offered the spot will accept it. It’s too important. So Whitmer’s answer tells me she knows or has been told she won’t be offered it. And the news this morning is it’s down to Shapiro and Kelly.

[quote]So Whitmer’s answer tells me she knows or has been told she won’t be offered it.

I don't know about that, I think she – much like Newsom – wants to become president in her own right, without the baggage that comes from serving in a previous administration. She has big ambitions and that's perfectly fine.

They are not going to put two women on the ticket.

It will be a safe white male, a la Kelly.

Trump misspelling 'pole' numbers in his tantrum tweet is likely intentional. He's trying to imply that Kamala is a slut, unlike the very fine and classy lady Melania.

Agree r405. If Beshear is out of the running, I'd love to know why. But regardless it will be a straight white guy. I'm a little nervous about the fact that Shapiro is Jewish, but maybe I'm worrying too much there. It's primarily about the left and Gaza, but maybe they've determined that young people will be excited enough about a black female president and will downplay that issue. Or maybe they just assume the far left is a lost cause to anyone who isn't crazy, like RFK Jr. Who knows?

Imagine how much more unhinged he's gonna get if the polls start showing her in the lead?

I’ve mentioned this before, but foreign wars and issues like Gaza have never affected a presidential election unless US troops were involved. Just search recent history.

Exactly, it's just Reddit moaning about it, they'll all fall in line in November.

Oval Office address tomorrow.

Can our conspiracy Marys maybe give it a rest now?

Is Pennsylvania a fragile Democratic state? Isn't Shapiro better there than on a ticket that is guaranteed a win?

[quote]Is Pennsylvania a fragile Democratic state? Isn't Shapiro better there than on a ticket that is guaranteed a win?

The current Lieutenant Governor of PA is a Millennial Black man, and as part of the ticket with Shapiro won in 2022 by 15 points.

PA will be fine.

The one person that I wish had been bandied about was Abigail Spanberger, but she's focused on being Virginia's first female governor next year, and has a very good shot at being that, so steady on.

[quote]I swear to god, this entire day feels like Joe lit the Beacons of Gondor and Rohan freaking ANSWERED.

And Denethor scowled and pouted and then set himself on fire.

Simon Rosenberg said that Democrats raised $250 million in a day and a half after Biden dropped out. Like he said, that's an insane amount of money in such a short period.

40k black women were on a phone call to organize for Harris on Sunday. 35k black men were on a organizing call on Monday. MSNBC's Zerlina Maxwell said the organic energy and enthusiasm in the black community right now feels like 2008 all over again.

And she's a she r414, so no. It really can't be an all-female ticket. I'm sorry. Maybe once America gets over the weird trauma we have about a female president, it can start treating an all-female ticket exactly the same as an all-male ticket. But not until then.

[quote]And she's a she [R414], so no. It really can't be an all-female ticket. I'm sorry. Maybe once America gets over the weird trauma we have about a female president, it can start treating an all-female ticket exactly the same as an all-male ticket. But not until then.

I'm aware. I mean, Harris-Whitmer would be my dream ticket right now, and I'm enough of a realist to know it's not happening. And Spanberger will be a great governor.

She's more moderate than I am generally, but she's the right kind of Democrat for Virginia and beyond into the rest of the New South.

[quote]And Denethor scowled and pouted and then set himself on fire.

Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the king.

My fellow eldergays:

I need you to listen closely. We need to stop hissing, adjust our caftans, and get to work. Kamala is up about 25 points among young voters, and we need to do everything we can to get them to show up. That means we need to at least try and be nice to them for about the next 100 days. I know we hate everything, but forget that for now, just be supportive and engage them in the process. They can grow twisted and cynical like the rest of us later. We only get one shot at this.

They won't let go of that fucking Palestine issue, it's so frustrating. Like it's the most important issue facing America right now. They better get their shit together come November.

The people who won’t vote for a two female ticket won’t be voting for Harris anyway.

Harris needs to keep sucking up all of the oxygen in the race. This is a year to bold. Safe doesn’t work against Sauron.

[quote] The people who won’t vote for a two female ticket won’t be voting for Harris anyway.

I disagree. I think there are plenty of people who are winnable, but don't want to feel that they are totally excluded from the whole thing. Yes, it's fragile male ego or whatever the fuck, but it's there, and we shouldn't make our need to change everything immediately the goal. We are asking for some radical stuff already, including somebody who technically didn't really win a primary despite our legalistic arguments that she sort of did.

We can do what we can to allay any additional fears and worries, and still make a huge advance in progress for this country. "Go for it, all of it!" I don't think is a winning strategy right now.

[quote]They won't let go of that fucking Palestine issue, it's so frustrating. Like it's the most important issue facing America right now. They better get their shit together come November.

Look, I get it. But remember we were all young and idealistic once too. And the bigger problem is that the issues with Israel are way more nuanced than either extreme wants to admit, and I will not be turning this into a thread about it. The best way through this is to just remind them that of the options, the best shot they have is the woman that will at least listen to them, rather than the autocrat that just wants to enrich himself, damn the human cost.

Be supportive. You might not agree with their conclusions, but they're coming from a place where they care. Show 'em that we care too.

Yeah, I'm staying away from Reddit live threads until after the election, I swear those people have the most misplaced priorities. DL bubble only for me from now on, for better or worse.

If the DL bubble seems like sanity, Reddit must be bonkers.

I agree with R423. This the time for smart choices, not feel good choices.

Doug's ex-wife is all in

r388 - r392 - r395 is a troll...F/F and Ignore.

Schumer and Jeffries have solemnized their endorsements. That's the whole Congressional leadership.

Might Obama and Tlaiba and others change their minds about that open contest thingy?

No one cares what Tlaib thinks.

I'm sure they're saving Obama for a big event, either the convention or an in-person appearance like her one in Milwaukee tomorrow.

Tlaib is....well, I do respect her takes on certain things, but the rest of the Squad was wise enough to know what was up.

Kamala is in the lead according to a new poll. Yay!!!!

Tlaib should run as an indepedent. She's loyal only to running her mouth and her crazy far left bullshit.

r433 Link it, hoe!

I'm paraphrasing something that I saw on social media, but I think it sums up how I'm feeling:

I hate that it happened, I hate how it happened, and I REALLY hate that I've realized that it had to happen.

at link: Harris 44, Diaper 42.

Fucking hell. And that's *with* the traditional convention and VP bump.

[quote]at link: Harris 44, Diaper 42

KEEP GOING.

And getting shot.

r440 Oh yeah, I forgot that little detail. Even funnier!

I get that r436. I don't feel that, but I get it. Right after the debate and for about a week or so I felt it, a kind of sadness and stubborness combined, but that changed into a grim feeling that if Joe stays in it's going to be a long dreary path to November, defending and supporting somebody I knew deep down wasn't up for it anymore, and would probably lose.

Since he did graciously step aside, I just feel gratitude and euphoria and a feeling that yes, we have real hope, and we can do this, and in fact we WILL do this.

I'm not usually New Agey, but I kept feeling this idea that "sometimes what you fear the most is what you need the most to set you free." And that's kind of where I am now. I feel so much more free than I did before Biden's announcement. And I don't seem to be alone in that.

[quote]at link: Harris 44, Diaper 42.

Ketchup will be flung tonight!

Kamala to speak imminently at her first rally.

Agreed r428, I’ve already had that MAGAT dummy blocked. Block and FF!!

[quote]I feel so much more free than I did before Biden's announcement. And I don't seem to be alone in that.

Oh, you're not alone. I've seen more than a few people talking about getting choked up, either by how graciously Joe did this, by the overwhelmingly positive response, or both. There have been some great political cartoons as well, including one of him throwing her the keys to his care that got to me too.

There are still some latter-day PUMAs who are saying some nonsense, but I feel like they're being roundly mocked, as they should be.

And if Joe ended things on his terms and not because he was strong-armed, he made the right choice. He saved us from fascism and may have done it again by stepping aside. I just want him to get an absolute hero's welcome at the convention.

We were really, really lucky to have him. And for his wisdom in stepping aside.

So many people RSVP'd to her Milwaukee rally, they had to move to a larger venue.

Joe is amazing. He pulled us out of Covid hell and made us the envy of the world again. This country owes him a debt of gratitude we can never repay. I’m devastated he has to go. I really hope he can spend time with his family and perhaps become a sort of elder statesman.

Chuck Todd's ranking:

1. Mark Kelly

2. Andy Beshear

3. Josh Shapiro

Yes, but it's Chuck Todd and he doesn't know shit.

[quote] Authority is not given to you to deny the return of the king.

Steward!

“Envy of the world again”, R448?

Our economic recovery post COVID is considerably better than most of the world.

How soon before J.D. backs-out for "personal reasons"?

Wouldn’t it be easier if Thiel just has him killed like he does with his other Exes?

There were chants of "Lock Him Up!" at. her rally today.

As something I saw on social media said, this no longer feels like the worst timeline and I don't know how to deal with that.

Just because, a clip of then-AG Harris telling the clerk of the LA County court to shut up and issue a marriage license to Paul Katami and Jeff Zarillo, two of the plaintiffs in the case that overturned Prop 8.

What's not pictured: immediately after, she performed the ceremony for Kris Perry and Sandy Stier, the other two plaintiffs.

^^^^.

r421 I follow some leftist Twitter accounts. They are trying to push the "Kamala is pro-genocide" line, and trust me, most responses were NOT having it. It kind of surprised me.

I think that a lot of the same people who were marching and occupying last spring will be voting for Kamala in the fall. The seriousness of Project 2025 cannot be overstated -- "literal fascism," as one response pointed out -- and I think people will vote accordingly.

Nikki Haley having a tanty:

[quote][R421] I follow some leftist Twitter accounts. They are trying to push the "Kamala is pro-genocide" line, and trust me, most responses were NOT having it. It kind of surprised me.

Actual leftists, or a bunch of trolls and bots?

R460: I loved her line today: Can you believe they put that stuff in writing?

I laughed.

These are good times. She's rocking it, the Republicans are in disarray and the wheels keep coming off... I hope it lasts.

Actual leftists, r462, as I know one of them in real life.

And they respond, R461

[quote]Actual leftists, [R462], as I know one of them in real life.

I honestly think that dog won't hunt.

Anybody who's saying they won't vote for Harris because of Gaza wouldn't have voted for her anyway.

Also, if you want a good ugly cry, here's Lawrence O'Donnell opening his show last night.

It’s unfortunate that you can have a group fraudulently using Haley’s name. I suppose Republicans can likewise create a “Harris Voters for Trump” group if they wanted to since you don’t need permission.

She even has ads from 2020 she can still run.

There’s a lot of bad commentary going unchallenged about how the 2020 candidacy of Harris, a former prosecutor, was a bad fit in 2020 because of the Black Lives Matter protests that grew out of the George Floyd murder. Yet, her campaign ended well before the Floyd murder.

She was mean to Uncle Joe in the debates. It was uncalled for and inauthentic in 2020.That’s how she lost my support then.

It will be authentic and called for with Trump.

She WAS that little girl back in 2020. But now she's all grown up and wiser, ready to take on the final boss.

Actually, we should be saying 2019, she dropped out before the end of that year.

I wonder how much of this anti-Shapiro sentiment currently circulating online is organic and how much the competing VP camps slinging mud at each other. 👀

Do you mean "He's unacceptable to those grieving over Palestine" sentiment? That's the main negative I've seen on him.

I wonder how many objections are being raised in comparison to Vance, who calls for a national abortion ban.

This double standard of what's not acceptable for Democrats compared to everything being acceptable for Republicans just because they're Repugs is over. The contrast is too stark. This country is not going ro be voting on Israel in this election.

r475 That, and some sexual harassment stuff he apparently excused on his watch. I saw a whole-ass anti-Shapiro bulletin post earlier today.

*bullet point

r476 Agreed, the purity tests need to stop, too much is at stake.

Dump used campaign funds to pay off a porn star.

Ignore the haters.

We are in a fortunate position where there are no bad choices for veep. I like every single one of them, and every single one of them adds something to the ticket.

This is a good place to be.

The Democrats are in a solid, united much better place than they were up to last weekend, and it's driving the Repugs crazy.

Much like with Kamala declaring almost immediately, I feel like the same should be done with her VP pick. The longer the wait, the more opportunity for division. Should be done as soon as possible after Biden's speech today, internal polling be damned.

No. Let them do thorough vetting. On the surface, we have nothing but good picks, but if there's a Ralph Northam-in-blackface image of one of them floating aroung out there, we need to know ahead of time.

It seems like the GOP is having buyers remorse with Vance. Let's not fall into the same trap.

Eventually, it will be the person she feels most comfortable with. Perhaps, there's a bit of tension in the background of her not being so close to Bashear, but advisors suggesting him as the strongest political asset?

It's notable, I think, that it seems like Bashear and Walz are the ones who have been all over the media since Sunday. Which is why I thought it was odd that when they first dropped the list of people they were vetting, Basher wasn't on it.

I'm imagining the sweet Santa-looking governor of Minnesota strapped to a polygraph as I type. "Have you or someone you know ever appeared in blackface?"

From Politico:

FIRST IN PLAYBOOK: In the two days since Biden dropped out, Vote.org saw its highest levels of new voter registrations of the whole cycle: 38,500 people signed up, a 700 percent spike and higher even than when TAYLOR SWIFT made an Instagram post. Most were 34 and under.

r488 Thanks, we hate it.

Oh, apparently they're also vetting Pete.

The fact that he's even in the conversation is remarkable to me.

The Republicans are have a bad time.

The only media play they're getting is retooling against a new opponent, scolding the rednecks about DEI hire quotes, and Vance: in or out and how bad was the childless comment?

Not a good stretch for a campaign that practically should have been ready to go after Harris of all people - the playbook should already be written. Even if they retool, they should be out there using the messages as if she was only Veep.

I mean, it's great, obviously, but a bit of an exposure as to how little is actually on offer from this candidate and his bottom of the barrel team.

Damn, if you want concrete proof of "Black Don't Crack," Tim Walz is only seven months older than Kamala.

Wow, r492. It's not fair, I know, but this is the year you don't pick an old guy, or someone who looks like an old guy. Just from that picture, I'm guessing it won't be him.

R488 Fantastic. Now imagine if Taylor would get off her ass and endorse Kamala.

That’s also probably why it won’t be Cooper, who’s even older.

Kelly was also born the same year as Walz and Harris (and is actually the eldest of the three), but he reads as more youthful. The rest are in their 40s and 50s.

[quote]FIRST IN PLAYBOOK: In the two days since Biden dropped out, Vote.org saw its highest levels of new voter registrations of the whole cycle: 38,500 people signed up, a 700 percent spike and higher even than when TAYLOR SWIFT made an Instagram post. Most were 34 and under.

That's because Ariana Grande posted the registration link on her Instagram mere seconds after Biden endorsed Harris.

[quote]Now imagine if Taylor would get off her ass and endorse Kamala.

Mayhaps?

"Several Hollywood publicists and agents told CNN the DNC will be star-studded with one source sharing that conversations with an A-list pop star are currently underway about a possible performance."

I said on another thread that not all black people are down with Kamala. I watched videos of people saying they were not voting for her.

This is hilarious. John McCain ran bitter ads against “Celebrity Obama.” Trump will go crazy.

[quote]conversations with an A-list pop star are currently underway about a possible performance.

imagine if it's Britney, omg.

Me and my cooter are with her, y'all.

[quote]I said on another thread that not all black people are down with Kamala. I watched videos of people saying they were not voting for her.

Some of the country's 48 million Black Americans don't like Kamala! Film at 11!

If Tay Tay endorses Kamala, it will be a Reagan-esque landslide. I just had a conversation the other day with a Swiftie and it was like talking to a cult member. She went on and on about how wonderful Taylor Swift was and that she has spent thousands of dollars on tickets. If Tay Tay says to vote for Kamala, they absolutely will do it. She needs to do it soon so that they can get their asses registered in time.

Here are some photos of Kamala and the Second Gentleman in the 80s. She's fab, of course, and looks like Halle Berry, but he was surprisingly cute. I would have totally had a crush on him.

Josh is HOT as hell. Alpha.

Kamala really has a beautiful face at r504, gorgeous eyes and great bone structure. Great hair is a plus as well. She's remained very attractive up into her 50s, it's a big part of her appeal (even though we're not supposed to say it out loud).

R504 holy crap, was Doug a dreamboat! A Luke Perry doppelganger.

And what a GORGEOUS shot of Kamala! She really does have exquisite features (that have held up). As Samantha Jones once said shrewdly, the country does better when there's someone hot in the Whitehouse.

Damn, Josh back then had the exact Jew face I tend to go for.

^*White House

Kamala looking Lisa Bonet-esque there R504. And Doug is looking hawt!

R508 That's not Josh, that's Doug.

I thought it was Josh! Whoever it is, he’s hot.

r511 Yeah, I meant Doug. I was thrown off by r505.

LoL, r498, the Officer Tatum???

[quote]I said on another thread that not all black people are down with Kamala.

They're not a hive mind, ffs. Not all Asia American Republicans voted for Haley in the primary either. And she doesn't need every single eligible black voter to vote for her to win, anyway. Just enough of them in the right states.

*Asian American

r498 is also:

*Biden’s Wednesday Primetime Address*

[quote]Kamala doesn't seem like a serious person. I can't see her as president. She says goofy things about shit like Vinn diagrams and then laughs manically. Her constant maniacal laugh is bizarre. Her word salads. She doesn't come off as unlikeable to me just silly and goofy. I could be friends with her but I don't see her as president.

*JD Vance calls Kamala Harris a miserable, childless cat lady*

[quote]There is a lot that will come out about her. There is a whole book about how bad she is. It's Called Amateur Hour. She goes through staff like crazy. She was not serious about being the VP—her rise to high office through Willie Brown. She is more progressive than Bernie Sanders.

[quote]Vinn diagrams

Oh, lordy.

I heard someone suggest that not all white people like Trump. Has anyone investigated how that will affect his prospects?

HILARIOUS that they’re citing “staff turnover” on Harris. Anyone care to cite the staff turnover in the Trump admin? Let us begin with Sean Spicer and Reince Priebus.

R517, t

^ Or Scaramucci. That was a world record.

Oh for goodness sake, ignore my post at r521. R517, they are a bot or totally lacking in creativity. They made the exact same post on another thread.

Speaking over Scaramucci, he's taking bets on how long Vance will last.

He's currently staying two Scaramuccis.

Replacing Vance might be Trump's only Hail Mary left at this point. Aside from the economy imploding over the next three months, which seems unlikely.

These are the convention speakers on my wishlist:

Barack Obama

Michelle Obama

Oprah Winfrey

Hillary Clinton

Liz Cheney

Pete B.

A performance by Beyonce

I'm curious which Republican amongst Romney, Cheney, and Kinzinger will appear. At least one of them has to.

I think Romney would impress me the most.

Replace Vance? Maybe

But I think that many, many Repugs would absolutely LOVE to replace Trump.

Of course their Maga-Lardo base has them over a barrel.

Good. That’s what they get.

Oh my gosh, Axios is doing DL level historical revisionism. They claim the fact that Harris was made border czar actually isn’t true, despite the fact that Axios itself reported in 2021 that she was made “border czar”. You can’t trust any news media in this post-truth world.

The community notes on the tweet point out the lie:

Readers added context they thought people might want to know

Axios previously reported on April 14 & March 24, 2021 that Kamala Harris was appointed as Border Czar:

"Harris, appointed by Biden as border czar..."

“President Biden is putting Vice President Harris in charge of addressing the migrant surge at the U.S.-Mexico border"

R526 performance by Taylor Swift. She has such a mob of fans who could be encouraged to vote on her say so.

[quote]Oh my gosh, Axios is doing DL level historical revisionism.

Oh my gosh, I can't possibly vote for Kamala if Axios is doing historical revisionism.

R531, I see that CNN is doing the same. Not a good look for them.

I want to see Megyn Kelly paraded through the convention floor in a cage, like in triumphs of old, for calling Kamala a nimrod. I'll never get over that.

Here’s her first ad.

I like it.

Trump should dump Vance.

He absolutely shouldn’t!

Trump won’t dump Vance, but he might order his hanging.

Trump must keep Vance to help the Dems.

Can he dump Vance? They had their convention, the formally nominated Vance as their VP candidate. The Dems don't have an official nominee yet, they can make changes. That isn't the situation with the Gross Trump Party.

[quote]Can he dump Vance? They had their convention, the formally nominated Vance as their VP candidate.

Eagleton dropped out in 1972 and was replaced.

Yes, he can dump Vance, they can renominate over Zoom. These party bylaws aren't set in stone, they can be adjusted when the need arises.

Yes, R539, he can.

R542 is right. The only way they can replace Vance is if Vance resigns. That’s what occurred in 1972, Eagleton had no intention of quitting but was “persuaded” to resign for the good of the campaign. Sadly, it didn’t help McGovern at all.

This is the most likely scenario, if Dump has buyers’ regret. They will “persuade” Vance to resign. And just like Eagleton, it won’t do them a lick of good.

Again I ask: how exactly does Trump ditch him? Change the rules, and if Vance doesn't like it - tough? Say privately to him "I made a mistake, quit or I'll disown you!"?

r544 Why on earth would Vance talk back to Trump in that scenario? Of course he'd go along with it, he's a fucking nobody.

R544, it happens as you say: Dump privately persuades him to resign. Although Repukes have no morals, if Vance refuses I can see Dump working to change the party rules to remove Vance. But that would be messy and might take time. The easiest path is for Dump to make Vance an offer he can’t refuse.

And you thought I was a problem?

Here's what I fucking hate about this whole Trump-Dump-Vance thing.

Not against my dear fellow DLers, but in the media discussion.

I'd be a millionaire if I got a dime for every time I heard, in past elections, some variation of "He'll be judged by his very first act as the candidate on whether he gets his VP pick right."

Where is that being said about Trump? Why is he getting a pass on that?

Trump has no power in this situation. He needs that Peter Theil cash. He can't force JD out.

Y'are in that chair, Trump. Y'are.

[quote] I'd be a millionaire if I got a dime for every time I heard, in past elections, some variation of "He'll be judged by his very first act as the candidate on whether he gets his VP pick right." Where is that being said about Trump? Why is he getting a pass on that?

It’s hard to believe someone is asking that question. The statement you quoted pertains to people who have not been president already. It would have applied to Trump’s pick of Pence.

[quote] The statement you quoted pertains to people who have not been president already. It would have applied to Trump’s pick of Pence.

Then it's even more to Trump's discredit that he got is so wrong - again.

I'm so glad that SOB Trump is squirming over his choice of Vance.

Per his biographer, Biden's not at peace with his decision.

He'll get over it eventually. Trump getting defeated is more important than Biden being at peace, sorry.

Also, this is pure speculation by his biographer, not something a source close to Biden said. So it's worthless anyway.

Jon Stewart talked about the difficulties in getting his 90-year old mother to stop driving, He then imagined what it'd been like to have millions on social media attacking him. "Let the bitch have the car!"

While I think it was tough for him, I think he's now completely okay with Harris instead.

Yeah, I seriously doubt he's anywhere near the "completely okay" stage of grieving, yet. And won't even be quite there if Harris wins, something we know he doesn't believe is gonna happen.

The great thing about Harris is the upside potential she has. Trump has a concrete ceiling with no upside potential. Biden had a firm ceiling, too, because of the age concerns.

The Lincoln Project took out an amazing ad to endorse Kamala. It opens with a very lovely tribute to Joe.

I was really wrong about them. I kind of figured after 2020 they focus on pivoting the GOP back towards sanity from within. But they’d stayed on the attack the entire time.

R558, they realized their old party was gone. There was nothing to go back to.

Brilliant spot by the Lincoln Project. Hopefully, it will play everywhere.

[quote][R558], they realized their old party was gone. There was nothing to go back to.

Good. Give the few Never Trump Republicans left something to rally around.

I hope Haley is kicking herself.

And just like that the RNC called me for consent to participate in their opinion polls.

I hope you said yes.

FUCK.THEM.UP.

R558 DAMN

(Love the Epstein cameo!)

I did! And then I gave him an earful!!!

Get it, elder lez! That’s awesome!

ElderLez, do you have a land line? Just curious if they're reaching out to people on their cell phones.

Yes - we forwarded the landlines to our cell phones after Superstorm Sandy and have never undone the forward so I don’t know when I get a call what number they dialed.

Yes, Joe Biden has accepted his decision with equanimity.

Joe Biden doesn’t even know what a telephone is now.

[quote]Yes, Joe Biden has accepted his decision with equanimity.

I say this with admiration for Nancy: Bitches get shit done

Word for word with TheVoice at r572.

I adore Mighty Joe, but I was wary and had misgivings when he announced a couple of years ago he was running again.

And let me throw this in, too. Because Pelosi has been so effective at wielding power, we think she's somehow excluded from regret and pain.

I think she hated to, and was in pain at what she knew had to be done to oust her old buddy Joe. That had to hurt just from a human standpoint.

Nancy Pelosi is the best Speaker of my lifetime, and up there with the rest from history. In a very real sense, I consider her the House counterpart to the whole Master of the Senate thing that LBJ had.

If/when Kamala Harris walks into the White House as President in January. it won't be because America is finally "ready" for a female President. It's because Nancy Pelosi read the tea leaves and did what what had to be done. If Nancy was a man, we'd just accept that without needing to justify it.

She has the instincts of a shark. I'm going to be confident if she is.

Bravo VOTN, well said. We wouldn't be examining any of her motives with as much scrutiny, were she a man.

She has the instincts of a great politician and leader, one of the best of either gender, not that of a shark. She gets done what needs to get done, when it needs to get done.

I got my "When We Fight, We Win" t-shirt in the mail today.

I'm scared to own campaign merch. But here we are.