Reporting from the Road -- A Gay Black Gen Z in Love with Trump!

Mental illness. Probably manic as hell.

On another note, I can't imagine ever asking a stranger who they're voting for. Just seems likes bad manners, no offence.

May that be the worst part of the Trip SL.

this never happened. ffs

Every demographic in the US is moving right, That the GOP offers zilch to make anyone’s life any better, and will in fact make most people worse off is of no consequence. People love the vibe.

As a customer, you ask employees who they are voting for?

That is truly bizarre behavior.

He probably does slave/massah roleplay with daddies on Grindr.

[quote] People love the vibe.

It's a doomsday cult. Too bad they can't serve the Kool-Aid before November.

Bullies always attract the unsure, the scared and the plain dumb.

That's most of America.

The desk clerk and I had talked for a long time the [italic]last[/italic] time I stayed there (back in January), and he remembered me. So I was completely at ease asking who he was voting for. Most people are quite happy to tell you their opinion if they know they're not going to be challenged. But if I had known the way that exchange was going to rattle my cage, I wouldn't have asked.

Thanks for thinking of me, EL @ R2. Truthfully, I sat in ridiculous traffic from Richmond to Frederick, and that was nerve-wracking. But I've checked into my hotel and I'm sitting here with my mother, so I hope the worst is over.

OTOH, it's 92 here in PA and 87 at my place in FL. Life is funny.

1/10 OP.

Consider enrolling for another creative writing class.

I here community colleges are affordable.

R10? And I thought [bold]I[/bold] was cynical!

[quote]I here community colleges are affordable.

What did you [bold]hear[/bold], R10? I heard no community college would take you.

Was his name TeaCake?

It's terrible, but I don't know his name. Mea culpa.

^ Hopefully they have a Homophones for Homos class.

Will you stay there on the way home SL? Might be interesting to get an update if you do.

Every time I hear that man’s voice yelling lies, I just want to throw a boulder at the screen.

That does seem twisted - wonder if he will stay a Trump worshipper these next few months when pretty much all young Black people around him in NC will be either pro-Harris or disengaged/disconnected from the election. And there will probably be some ugly racism coming her way from Trump/MAGA.

I just assume that a black person is looking for attention/followers/money when they claim to like Trump. It seems like a grift.

Who the fuck asks a stranger who they're voting for? That's weird.

they live in fayette-nam or rocky mount and are scared to say otherwise.

none of this happened.

or sl looks like a 'rumpster and he was as'kered to say otherwise.

Yes DL’ers not all gay and not all black people subscribe to the lefts ideology. Trump isn’t a republican, he’s a populist and we need a populist to knock these elites, who think they’re better and smarter than us (and they’re robbing us), off their feet a little bit.

The media and the Pelosi’s of the world aren’t our friends.

Trump was the first and only President in the history of our country to be pro gay rights and marriage BEFORE he was elected. Biden and Obama were VERY anti-gay marriage. And of course, everyone before that was too,

Biden was pro gay marriage and pushed his president in that direction. Supreme Court codified gay marriage June 26, 2015, therefore Biden considered gay marriage a settled issue BEFORE he was elected President.

Are you a troll or just incredibly sloppy and ignorant in your typing?

EL @ R15, I am seriously considering that, since I have decided that NC hotel will be my go-to whenever I do the "going up Home" road trip. The problem is, I did a detour east to my bff's place on the Jersey shore, and I would have a hard time making it to that hotel from there in a day on the way back down.

It might be worth it just to talk to that kid again. But I doubt his opinion has changed. Still, as a political scientist, I am [italic]dying[/italic] to find out. Anecdotal evidence, and all that.

I'll keep you posted.

[quote]Biden was pro gay marriage and pushed his president in that direction.

I don't know why this myth persists to this day. The whole administration was planning to come out in support of gay marriage, but Biden gaffed and let it out of the bag before the agreed upon announcement date. He didn't push anyone, though Obama was lowkey grateful the old straight white man said it first, as it was better optics and the response wasn't what he feared either.

I am not surprised more people are voting for the right. I have been noticing black men are going for Trump. Most men are voting for Trump. The young people were excited for Obama but didn't vote in great numbers for him. Young people tend not to vote. Kamala only has the Democrats and that is not enough to win. Anytime people feel like the economy is hurting them they vote for the other party. And Kamala was part of the administration. And don't tell me the economy is great. That is a lie and people are perceiving it as things were better for the economy when Trump was in office. I know that isn't fair but this isn't about facts it's about feelings.

Can someone please redirect OP's sad young man to Taylor Swift or Beyonce? He can get caught up in their cults far more happily.

[quote]He said, "I fell in love with Trump! It's like a cult. You get swept up in it. You can actually lose yourself with him.

That’s where OP’s tale falls apart for me. Nobody would say this about the person they plan to vote for as president, it’s too self aware. People in cults don’t know they’re in cults.

Verificatia of sizemeat?

Being self aware doesn’t necessarily preclude making bad choices. We like to think it does, but it doesn’t.

C- for R27

Have a great time down the shore SL. I hope you do get to stop and get an update. Maybe you can pick up an ice tea for him.

Exceptionally Satisfying Tale, as we used to call it on DL of yore.

To OP - Sure, Jan. This really happened.

Nice try, Yuri-bot.

That's what you get for stopping a Bo Jangles. Besides a whopping case of the Hershey Squirts. A side of straight-up CRAZY.

Elaborate Scenario Thread - I thought it stood for

Hmmm, isn't it common knowledge that Trump polls better among black and gay voters than previous Republican candidates?

OP describes herself multiple times as a political scientist but has apparently never previously polled someone who was a minority in their own demographic?

OP, you're not the former President of Harvard, are you?

How’s your niece CE?

For anyone concerned about the actuality of SL’s existence, I would encourage you to temporarily use the block and stalk. I know we are all a little on edge about the trolls, but SL seems to me as real a poster as we have on DL and very much neither Yuri, nor a bot.

Oh, FFS. If I didn't already know how many of you boys are batshit crazy, I'd tell you exactly where I did the polling and why there weren't many minorities there. Plus, this was the mid-90s, at a not-very-well-funded public university, and I read the scripts off stapled packets of paper and marked the answers there with a pencil while I held the phone to my ear to talk. The poll results were published in a small but well-known newspaper and were thought to be important. I was paid for the work (not very well), but I had three different PT jobs in grad school trying to keep a roof over my head, even with my TA stipend and my tuition paid for.

And I have said more than once here on DL that you guys are more than welcome to come to my neck of the woods and visit me, if you have the balls. I know of at least one guy in FL who lives about 45 minutes away from me and I mentioned something about meeting at a restaurant we've both been to, but he didn't seem so inclined. No big thing.

Failing that, why don't we have another big DL gathering -- I know there's been at least one before, in DC if I remember correctly. Pick a (not ridiculously expensive) place, and I'll come on my motorcycle and meet some of the guys I know have been here on DL for many years, just as I have. Since I'm retired, I have the time. I'm more than willing to put my money where my mouth is... Are you?

Free Press’ Honestly podcast just had an episode about Black Trump voters.

A Black Chicago woman, who was from a very poor background and heads a GOP group, said that Democrats have fixed nothing. She was from whatever the public housing is called there. She (or a guy?) said that people are upset about how much better the undocumented immigrants were being treated that Black people in need.

When asked if she thought the GOP was racist, she said someone saying racist things bothers her must less than people in charge of racist policies, and she believes Dem policies somehow let any money get siphoned off, providing few solutions.

The interviewer asked if she would switch her vote to Kamala. She said no because she is “not sentimental like that.“ She said she is practical.

The men claimed Trump is masculine, and says what is on his mind no matter how bad, which they respect. He also knows how the law could turn on anyone. The guys said Black people tend to be more conservative about certain issues and align more with GOP thinking.

One guy served decades for a gang-related murder and said that from where he was from it was kill or be killed. Another guy had been bussed and ended up at a mostly Black gifted high school. A theme with some was that they needed to send a signal to Democrats, rather than aligning with Repubs on everything.

[quote]She (or a guy?) said that people are upset about how much better the undocumented immigrants were being treated that Black people in need.

That is a valid point. People in NYC are beyond pissed about the free hotel rooms and debit cards and health insurance.

R39 Yeah Trump and a GOP congress will be better for African Americans.

(SL isn’t a Yuri-bot, but R39 and R40 might be)

R38 OK, sorry OP! I tend to take 'political scientist' to mean faculty at a university rather than a summer job in college but we won't argue ;)

You really shouldn't be *that* surprised though, I mean, there were black people who voted for Roy Moore. All sorts of batshit combinations of opinion exist out in the wild ;)

And I'm gonna don my flame-retardant suit for this one, but let me say.... it isn't that surprising. Donald Trump is a malign figure who might be the worst person ever to become US President (a crowded field, of course) and if I had a vote I would never consider voting for him but.... the man has real charisma and presence. Even I as an avowed leftie was quietly cheering in 2016 when he just ran through such smarmy, slimy, unctuous individuals as Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, and Marco Rubio, (and yes Hillary too) whom even their allies and supporters don't like. They had no idea what to do with him, and it was just beautiful to see. Lots of people love to see a mouth who just doesn't give a fuck take down the powerful people. Low-information voters will have lapped it up, so I'm not surprised he has created a cult around himself.

R37 Hi Elderlez! I guess you mean my cousin K with her rather eccentric wife C from Idaho I told you about before? Hoo boy.

Well the UK does not give out family and partner visas for cheap, and the newlyweds needed just short of £20,000 to get C her residence permit, and since K was hard at work on her Masters' degree, C schlepped back to Idaho shortly after the wedding to earn the money and study for the endearingly weird 'Life in the UK' test. This can contain such questions as 'What percentage of Europe died in the Black Death' and 'who developed RADAR?'. Their relationship had been in majority online, and my mother speculated to me that she wouldn't ever come back. However, credit to her, she signed up for hard labour at one of Bezos' warehouses, raised the money, aced the test and came back after 9-10 months. Unfortunately she hasn't gotten a job over here yet but claims to make money from twitch streaming, so that's what she does all day, in K's parents house, to their absolute joy.

She is something of a challenging person (K's mother says she has no filter). We were all at a family barbecue once very shortly after we had met for the first time and she asked me if I could stop chewing so loud ('I'm sorry, but it really bothers me!'). Well I never, DL! I can assure you my table manners are impeccable. She met K's cousin for the first time at another event and immediately starting talking about how 'feathery' his hair was (this is a little gay kid well into his style and bleached blond hair, who looked momentarily horrified). I onceheard her say to K's sister 'I may be autistic, but....' with the rest of the sentence inaudible, so it might be a joke, but frankly, if she really were autistic it would explain a lot.

Anyway K got her degree and a good job and a substantial inheritance from her grandfather, so they are in a position to buy their own house in a nearby market town. If you know Northern Ireland the area is a DUP stronghold, which doesn't really bode well for a lesbian couple living together, but on the other hand the place likes to think of itself as a respectable community, so it might be better for them and they won't stand out so much as in a rural area. We'll see how it goes. BTW K is a quiet person and doesn't usually do anything weird.

C means well, I think. I do give her credit for working hard to raise all that money and giving up her whole life in the US to come over here. She still hasn't gotten used to the manual driving and 'tiny, narrow' roads we have. I guess she's our family eccentric now, I'm sure I'll be able to mine her for a few more DL anecdotes.

Jesus, R44, I used to like you. You know what DLers used to tell me: get a blog.

BTW, I was faculty at a number of colleges. i taught at two universities. But I was never given a tenure-track position because I was out and proud and these schools were in FL, [italic]and[/italic] other gay/lesbian faculty in my department (and one provost) who were closeted were terrified I would out them. You can call me a liar all day long, but it's true. And of course, being out, everyone knew I was (am) a liberal and I was teaching my students to be Marxists, gay/lesbian, etc. Not having any job security in academia whatsoever for many years (and having been terribly paid, to boot), I worked on and off as a statistician for bosses/entities who wanted me to "fudge" the data. I actually got two of my bosses fired (and a third was led out in handcuffs for embezzlement). No one wants someone like that working for them.

I've had quite the interesting career. Why do you think, with the education I have, I'm poor as a church mouse?

Sticking to your morals and principles is a tough row to hoe, especially in FL, where damned near everyone is as crooked as a three dollar bill. Whaddya gonna do?

True equality is where a member of any minority has the same right as any member of the majority population to vote based on their own financial self-interest/greed, selfishness, lack of engagement with the wider world, and limited outlook, and not be questioned for it.

True equality is the right of any individual to make stupid choices.

Why are you talking with the help?

I like to make small talk with strangers, R48. Hell -- I'd even talk to you!

SL hope you are enjoying the beach today.

EC, sorry for misremembering the family relationship. Thank you for the update on your cousin! It is very much appreciated and it sounds like things are going well. Looking forward to future anecdotes. There really is a pot for every cover.

We were in “Norn Iron” very briefly this spring and I thought of you. I don’t think I could ever get used to the roads. Luckily we had a driver

[quote]The whole administration was planning to come out in support of gay marriage

Please provide evidence of this claim, R26. My lived experience differs. In fact, if you actually watch the [italic]Meet the Press[/italic] clip in which Biden "gaffed", he clearly states that he was speaking on his own behalf and specifically not the administration's.

Thanks EL @ R50 -- I'm going to a beach party being thrown by my bff's friends, a (Republican) lesbian couple I've been hearing about for years. They are anxious to meet me; I am ambivalent. Wish me luck.

Same rodeo, different year.

I no longer try to make sense of people like this, & instead, completely block them from contaminating my life, & I vote.

That’s it. I no longer give a fuck why you will vote for him or why you support him. It will never make any sense, regardless, so fuck off.

I just love that R23 thinks that a man who has been ripping off contractors in NYC for decades, out of millions upon millions of dollars, AFTER they renovate his properties, and who scammed hundreds of people out of thousands of dollars each when they enrolled in his phony university, is a fucking populist. And I’m only using those examples, as these examples are the ones where his fraudulent behavior directly affected mostly working class folk. We all know there are a plethora of other examples.

Robin Hood, he ain’t.

Fascism has an emotional appeal. Surrender and dissolve into the whole. That’s the secret sauce.

Islam literally means “submission.” Same vibe.

R52 I hope they are never Trumpers at least.

DK, R56. Bff putting her face on. We'll see.

But I'm certainly not going to bring up the topic -- I know better. As my godmother used to say, don't poke the snake.

Gay people who support Trump are fucking self-loathing morons.

Black people who support Trump are even lower and worse.

Hey R45 I'm a struggling, precarious academic too. I know how bad it gets :( I think Florida would be a whole new level of awful though. I can just see myself having to discuss with a class what the good aspects of slavery were.

Nowadays, though, my college has LGBT networks for staff and advertises its pride events on all its social media channels, but then it goes on to give many of those same staff 3 or 6 month contracts and a salary barely scraping past minimum wage. So right now I feel like I don't want to pinkwash my own exploitation.

Don't be too mad at me, there's still some hope for us. Enjoy the beach!

Oh wow Elderlez @50 that's really cool you came to visit, where did you go? Were you there during summer marching season? (if not count yourself lucky).

If you struggled with the roads too maybe I'm being too hard on C. It's not that bad, you just need to indicate as you pass each flock of sheep.

R8 well hopefully most of America doesn’t vote Trump.

Why are you harassing people in their workplace and asking them who they're going to vote for? That's none of your business. It's especially patronising to expect black people to vote by default for Harris.

What has Trump ever said that's anti-gay, r58? The Democrats, on the other hand, are fully behind the homophobic, literally gay-destroying trans cult.

His poor parents must be in despair.

Have a safe trip, SL. It's always good to see your posts.

R64, are you suggesting people should vote on the basis of what their parents believe and solely to satisfy their parents, as opposed to voting for what they themselves believe and support?

[quote] His poor parents must be in despair.

I don't know about his parents, but his poor gran ain't having it.

R65 I think it is natural for parents to be upset when their children join a cult.

CE my wife has always wanted to visit Ireland, we hadn’t been to Europe since 2018 and we aren’t getting any younger so we did a very touristy, fancy tour in the spring with two friends. It was far too much in a week and I wish we had a bit more time.

NI was Derry, Giant’s Causeway, Belfast (Europa - blech) and dinner with other (not trip) friends’ family.

Giant’s Causeway was my priority and it lived up to expectations. Unfortunately due to weather Cliffs of Moher had zero visibility and that was a bummer because it was the thing my wife most wanted to see. Slea Head Drive/Dingle and Donegal were the highlights of the Republic section of the trip.

R66 Too funny. Now which one of her nephews done stole her credit card to donate to Trump.

Voting for a particular candidate isn't a "cult", r67. What's cult-like is being horrified that someone has different opinions from you.

Given that the person in question acknowledges the cultish influence himself I’d say that it is.

Different opinions is one thing. Wearing a maxi pad on your ear to identify with dear leader is entirely another. Wake up and smell the flavor aid.

What has Trump ever said that's anti-gay, [R58]? The Democrats, on the other hand, are fully behind the homophobic, literally gay-destroying trans cult.

Look who he has put in the Supreme Court—people who seek to impose conservative Christian ideology as the law. Look at who is behind him—Christian Nationalists who oppose gay visibility let alone gay marriage., People who believe women should be stay at home baby ovens.

You are a moron.

^first sentence should be in quotes

R63 is a special kind of moron.

R69 can't see that MAGA and Trumpism is a cult... which means he's either deaf, dumb, and blind... or he's in the cult and like a fish swimming in water, cannot perceive that which is all around him.

At the same hotel, but the kid I talked to last time isn't here. Maybe he's off on Sundays.

Well, you can't say I didn't try.

How were the Republican lesbians of the Jersey Shore?

EL @ R76? Thanks for asking.

They didn't talk politics at all, and were well into their cups by the time I met them. Played loud country music. The other women invited to this party/concert were all seemingly wealthy 60ish straight women who also liked to drink. By the time I left 90 minutes later (I drove my own vehicle), everyone but me (clean & sober 43 years) was positively sloshed. And then they walked the short distance from the condo to a concert on the beach. **shaking my head** There's nothing sadder than aging party girls.

I'd arranged things so my bff could stay (and drink) and I drove back to her place to pack. But (and I hate to say this) it seems all the stereotypes about Jersey housewives (even the lesbians!) are true. Too much hair dye, garish make-up, expensive but distastefully flashy jewelry, etc., etc. And lots and lots of booze.

Strange to say it, but I'll be glad to get home to FL.

EL @ R76 !!!!

The young man was at the front desk this AM, and (since we're old friends now, my having chatted with him for four hotel stays) I asked him if he'd changed his mind. I told him that I had some people who wanted to know his opinion (that would be you and other DLers).

"No! Of course not!" he said. "I want to be able to retire one day! And if she becomes president, she's going to take [italic]everything[/italic]."

I thanked him for telling me, but didn't encourage more conversation. I have a sore throat and a splitting headache (NYC germs, I'm guessing). I just didn't have the patience.

Poor deluded bastard. I wonder how many more of them are out there. Some people never learn.

Poor guy. I hope someday he’ll be happily reflecting on how the Democratic Party saved his retirement and how glad he is that that awful Trump he was all caught up in went down in flames.

Safe driving getting home and feel better.

Thank you for the update!!

OP declares a state "lost" because some idiot said the wrong thing to her.

As for the rest of the "sympathy" here, it's just lesbians leaping at the chance to pity something other than themselves. At least for once it's not a one-legged dog or a faceless kitten.

EL @67 wow you crammed a lot into a week! The Giant's causeway is quite something, it's close to where my grandparents lived when I was a child, I remember visiting with my grandfather on what turned out to be his last trip before his death from cancer (he got me one of the little rock collections they used to sell). There was a mini political storm a few years ago when some DUP evangelicals objected to the official blurb describing the rock formations taking shape over millions of years, which was very funny.

The Europa is officially the most bombed hotel in Europe! Perhaps that may be why it underwhelmed you. Glad you had a good visit all in all.

OP is this who you ran into?

They told us about the bombed part at check-in! The rooms were teensy-tiny even by NYC standards and the lobby was full of drunk teenagers in fancy dress because of a boxing (????) match. Oh and then the fire alarm went off as soon as we got into the room.

Mind you the last place we had stayed was Lough Eske Castle.

LOVED the Giants Causeway and how the audio tour would go back and forth between the real geology and the folk tales.