Who should Kamala pick as VP?

Gretchen Whitmer but I don't want to lose her as our Governor. I like Pete too.

Seth Moulton

Roy Cooper, Governor of North Carolina. A white male from a Southern state may help balance the ticket.

It must be Buttigieg, LGBTQIA+ will not let themselves be passed over again.

I’m going with Pete only because I think he’s the best messenger in the party and we really need that right now.

We've been through this already, electors in CA couldn't vote for both Harris and Newsom. Not going to happen. Same for Rubio.

Gretchen Whitmer. Reproductive freedom is the message this year.

Some of these choices are insane. Tim Kain? Beto O’rourke? Is this a loser convention.

R6 But isn’t her residence currently Washington DC?

If it happens the VP will be either Roy Cooper of NC or Josh Shapiro of PA.

2 very popular governors of critical states

Two women would lose by a landslide. That's why Hillary didn't pick Elizabeth Warren. I chose Beto, because Texas is on the verge of being a swing state.

R11 He’s a loser. I like him but he has lost 3 major campaigns. You can’t pick losers running against Trump.

Andy Beshar

The reason why I think Kamala will win is because she will ensure black voter turnout. It will be crucial this election. Her poll numbers may not be through the roof with black ppl as a whole but at the end of the day we function on code. ALWAYS. White husband and all.

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BetoBot?

Beto has too many moles.

BetoGod

A black woman and a gay man?

Yeah, that's going to happen.

Barack Obama.

[quote] If it happens the VP will be either Roy Cooper of NC or Josh Shapiro of PA.

Yes, or Andy Beshear.

Op, you completely ignored the three most likely - Roy Cooper, Andy Beshear, and Josh Shapiro. Why did you leave them off?

JB Pritzker would probably the best bet.

How would a governor from a deep blue state help, R23?

Haley "Creepy Dollface" Stevens

She should pick Morgan Freeman to fuck with Joe.

[quote] Haley "Creepy Dollface" Stevens

Dollface post.

R27 No. It's Creepy Dollface. Creepy Dollface already has a nice campaigning outfit and hat picked out.

I see I was left off the list.

"You can’t pick losers running against Trump."

Oops...

Why the fuck can't anyone spell Newsom correctly?

No one can reasonably deny that Beto deserves a fourth chance.

Potato … Potatoe, R31.

No to Beto. He looks worn down and should have a rhinoplasty done years ago.

I should have been included in the poll.

Bernie

R35: The California electors can't vote for both her and him story, again.

I think R35 was being sarcastic with the smug face.

It is admittedly precariously late to introduce a new running mate who has such a low national profile. The race calls for someone with a high degree of name recognition and a proven history of political commitment. One surefire winner comes to mind over all other capable candidates:

Sharon Stone.

Whether it’s standing up to China in her advocacy for Tibet or her tireless work on behalf of the marginalized through her leadership in AmfAR, Stone has the stellar track record and the hard-won reputation for confronting challenges head on regardless of the opposition.

Moreover, her history of not just portraying but inhabiting a diverse array of complex characters means she will bring an untold level of empathy and compassion to various groups. The addict Ginger in Casino understands only too well the root of the opioid crisis; gunslinger Ellen from The Quick as the Dead recognizes both the harm of gun proliferation as well as the appeal of gun culture in Red America; and Catherine from Basic Instinct won’t need to don a pussy hat - she uses the power of her vagina directly to intimidate and disarm even the most resolute cabal of sexist men, even one led by you know who.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. And if you are looking for someone who never shrinks from desperation, only one name rises above all the others: Sharon Stone.

Being able to debate Vance, Trump's likely pick, is one requirement.

Beto has the biggest dick.

Beto is a loser like Stacey Abrams.

Are there any millennial politicians (not Pete B) who could help Kamala reel in voters?

George Clooney, Matt Damon or Tom Hanks.

OK, I was joking. I'd go with Whitmer because she could deliver not just Michigan, but Ohio, Wisconsin, and Maybe even put places like Kansas, Missouri and Iowa in play.

[quote]Beto is a loser like Stacey Abrams.

And yet, I have no desire to suck Stacey Abrams cock.

R39 😂 That was good yo. You’re good.

I se a HArris/ Whitmer in the near future,... and I would name Pete Buttegieg my White House Chief of Staff, which puts him in the room at all times and allows him to be a significant presence.

Shapiro or Cooper, whomever can better help to win their respective states, both having the same number of electoral votes.

Jamie Raskin

I think Raskin is not well enough to run a vigorous campaign.

JB Pritzker will crush whoever’s he’s up against. If he sits on them.

Mark Kelly

Lori Lightfoot

Kelly for the win! He puts Arizona more in play. Helps Gallegos in his race. Has border expertise. Matches up well with Vance due to his military background. Also because both parents were cops & he worked in fast food restaurants to support his family. Having the wife being a face of political gun violence helps. And the Democratic governor gets to fill his seat if he wins.

Whitmer might get slammed by far right wing loons for having a lesbian daughter.

Cooper! We need Kelly to stay in his Senate seat.

Adam Kinzinger. JD Vance won't be able to wipe the drool off his face during the debate.

Colin Allred

It aint gonna be kamala at the head of ticket.

I’m for Andy Beshear.too.

I wish it could be Jon Ossoff

R61 the best choice.

Josh Shapiro

Mark Kelly at the top of the ticket would trounce Trump

Joe Biden

A Black woman with a Jewish running mate may be a bridge too far.

I listened in on a Mark Halperin discussion this evening and he said that some republicans were viewing a Harris/Kelly ticket as "formidable."

There's a Big Donor coup going on and it has House and Senate candidates shitting their pants because their campaigns have been threatened. These fucking donors give to both parties so this is clearly a filthy game plan designed to undermine Joe. If he was really struggling and having trouble he would have been ready to go with the support of his team and family. I have said this before. The media campaign driving this story, has been designed to humiliate Biden because there has been no exit ramp for him. He has d one an amazing job. He is a consequential PResident. No one can tarnish his legacy because his legacy is his accomplishments. This about voter suppression because it's also designed to divide a depress voters. If Biden drops out we will definitely lose some of his supporters. I'm talking a significant %. We are going to have a close election because of all the dirty tricks. But if we lose Joe and his hardcore supporters, it will weaken us. And honestly the turncoat shit for br ains candidates for Congress who are abandoning him, will lose their elections anyway and blame him when they should be looking further.

What do you think is informing all this, R68? Do you believe they want to take out Biden just for sport?

But Harris would pick up all the voters Biden has lost because of his age. And the hardcore Biden supporters will still vote for Harris because they understand they can’t let Trump win.

Andy Beshar two time Gov of Kentucky

I like Kamala and I like Pete but if you guys think America is ready to elect a black woman and a gay man you don't know America.

R68 All these "in the media" spats across social media... pretty much annoy me. The reference to "it's the mainstream media creating this story" and "it's the elite, the wealthy donors with their corrupt power" etc etc.

Everything you say about Biden's accomplishments are true. I have been a strong Biden supporter in 2020 and in 2024. He's declined in the past couple years... I was pretty worried, and then the State of the Union was reassuring. I was looking forward to the debate - such a great case to make against Trump - the record of the last three years vs Project 2025. Then the astonishing debate, subsequent interviews, and an angry defense of a "victim" instead of a party leader.

My own eyes, my own thinking and analysis, and my own assessment of how best to beat Trump... lead to by strong belief Joe needs to pass the torch. It's not the media. It's not wealthy donors. It's me. A democrat.

Some Biden defenders have started sounded like MAGA.

It’s not so cut and dried, R70. There are a lot of Biden voters that were his alone. Older voters & non-college educated voters. It’s why Trump risked impeachment to keep Biden from getting the ‘20 nomination. Can Harris attract other voters in numbers to offset Biden’s secret sauce? The great unknown.

So Nancy Pelosi is not savvy enough to understand that, R73? Or Chuck Schumer? They're just stupid and don't understand electoral politics?

R73 The voter/demographic story of this election - before the debate when Biden was only a couple "within the margin of error" points behind - it was noted that Biden/Dems were losing support among young black and latino voters (especially men) and losing Gen Z. Harris is the candidate from central casting for Gen Z and voters of color.

A Harris candidacy may well be a net plus in that she attracts/recovers more voters than she loses. But no one, not even Nancy Pelosi, can know with certainty that she, like Biden in ‘20, and unlike Clinton in ‘16, has the secret sauce to beat Trump.

I think Harris/Kelly would be a fine ticket. He will draw a certain demographic being a former Navy captain and serving in the Gulf War. Also being an ex astronaut will appeal to another demographic and hopefully shut up Musk. Harris will help get the women’s vote and hopefully poc.

Joe needs to be allowed to bow out with dignity and soon. People will grumble who want him, but they will move forward if the Dems come out strong and fresh.

Harris is popular among Spelman alumnae, but that was never Biden’s problem. He’s losing young black and Latino men who (presumably) view Trump as the more authoritative candidate able to be tough on foreign stuff and border stuff and crime stuff. Kamala will have a hard time among moderate whites shaking her goofy, giggly “Momala” media perception; she’ll have a tough time with young POC voters shaking her prosecutor / border czar “Copala” social media perception.

Mark Kelly has enough “tough” creds to outflank Trump by virtue of having been an astronaut and military guy. He can keep libs interested by talking about his wife who (actually) was shot in the head in the line of duty and by contrasting his record with fellow Arizona senator/saboteuse Kirsten Sinema.

If Biden drops out, which I hope he does even though I acknowledge he’s the most consequential president of my lifetime, Kamala will almost certainly be the nominee. I think she has poorer prospects than Biden. If Kamala was out of the picture, it would be sort of stupid to try and run a gay or a Jew, just given how high stakes this all is. Kelly seems like our great white hope at this point.

George Clooney

Davida for Secretary of the Interior

Andy Beshear would be a safe choice. He’s well liked in a very red state. A uniter. We need Andy.

While extolling the virtues of a Mark Kelly candidacy, Mark Halperin raised the doubts of locals about Beshear’s campaign skills for a national campaign.

The ticket should be John Fetterman/Haley Stevens

Make Creepy Looking People Lead America Again

OK, let's pretend for a moment that the Fetterman suggestion was a genuine one. He would be very risky even for reasons beyond his precarious health. I read a profile of him lately, in The Newyorker, I think, and he's become addicted to FOX News since they've been portraying him in a rather flattering light lately. There are legitimate concerns he might be Sinema 2.0.

^ He looks like he ate Sinema.

Wendy Williams

The Fetterman suggestion was unserious, r84. You obviously didn’t win the Little Miss Reading Comprehension pageant.

John Fetterman should run so we can get the first ogre president.

Tammy Duckworth

R72: they are incredibly bitter about what's happening to "my Joe"! Seeming totally unconcerned about losing everything down ballot as well, almost as though they're okay with Biden leading us off a McGovern/Mondale cliff.

Mark Kelly/Tammy Duckworth would actually have me interested

With prospects of defeating Trump now, at least, looking bleak, why would anyone with future presidential ambitions, e/g., Josh Shapiro, want to be on a (losing) Harris-led ticket?

The best ticket would be Gretchen Whitmer for VP. Excellent person. BTW she is busy fundraising for Senate candidates and she is still with Biden. Enthusiastically. There is some dirty shit going on behind the scenes that people are unaware of. Steve Schmidt has organized a formal group, The NEw Democratic Coalition...to tell Biden to drop out. That's their name. Steve Schmidt, the loudmouth, John McCain guy who gave the world Sarah Palin. There's also a Republican backed informal media group that does calls to discuss strategy on how to use different topics under the heading of Biden is too Old. THey have been pretty effective in bullying him. But it all started with a pollster who worked for Paul Manafort and the Trump guys paid more than half a million to publish in the WSJ. This stuff did not happen organically and it reminds me of the Nixon Dirty Tricks brigade of 1972. Manafort and Roger Stone.

Huh, R93?! In the same post in which you push Whitmer for VP you attack those (ex-Republicans ... the horror!) trying to push/bully Biden out. Please make sense of what you wrote.

Didn't Steve Schmidt run Dean Phillips' campaign (yeah, remember that guy?)?

Whoever she chooses it needs to be a relatively conservative white male with no scandal whatsoever attached to him. Like they used to say about Caesar's wife, he must be beyond reproach.

Mark Kelly or Jim Himes would be excellent.

Milo Yanopoulous is a straight white man now.

It’s never going to be Buttigieg. He’s got the stench of that burning toxic train in Ohio all over him. He was head of the DOT and bungled the aftermath. That’s his Benghazi.

Is Milo even a U S citizen?

[quote] It’s never going to be Buttigieg.

As much as I'd like to see Gina Raimondo on the ticket, preferably at the top (yes, I'm the one), an all-Biden team ticket is an absolute non-starter.

What?

A gay person as VP probably wouldn't fly with many Americans. This country is still quite homophobic.

Elissa Slotkin would be good VP material. But, she's Jewish and the anti-Semites will trash her.

Jim Himes is a turncoat. As much as I liked him I was disgusted by his defection from a PResident who would walk over hot coals to support him. He took himself out of consideration when he turned on Joe.

In fact no one who has publicly deserted Biden would be eligible. Baggage would undermine. Personally, this cannot happen. We cannot allow all this behind the scenes undermining of a successful PResident to force Joe out. If he was on life support I would vote for him. I hope Mark Cuban steps up to help stop the donor desertion.

[quote] In fact no one who has publicly deserted Biden would be eligible.

Is our party a cult of personality, too?

Op ed on USA Today

John Heilemann is pushing Shapiro as the obvious pick. He quoted a Republican operative who told him that Trump has 25 paths to victory, including flipping just Georgia & Pennsylvania, so holding on to Pennsylvania with Shapiro was key.

Shapiro will easily win Pennsylvania over Trump. He won his Governor race by a significant margin over his Trump-endorsed opponent.

But, Shapiro might not be able to win in other states.

Mark Kelly or Big Gretch

I love Gretchen but a ticket with two women? Maybe in the future. Now, that's going to bring out the worst in the misogynistic GOP.

As much as we’d like to think that means something, R108, I think we know that Trump has a certain special electoral appeal that those trying to run under his banner do not.

[quote]But, Shapiro might not be able to win in other states.

This race comes down to three states. The three that Hillary lost and Biden won.

And Nebraska-2, R113.

[quote] I love Gretchen but a ticket with two women? Maybe in the future. Now, that's going to bring out the worst in the misogynistic GOP.

I agree with this. It won't happen. It drives me fucking crazy that some people can't realize that this country is still very misogynistic.

If it’s Kamala, & there’s a debate, I can’t wait for Trump’s inevitable, sneering, “Such a nasty woman.” I’m imagining a rejoinder for the ages. Ah yes, the prosecutor vs. the felon.

tRump is stupid but not stupid enough to debate Kamala.

If Kamala becomes the nominee, she needs to go with a white Southern male VP. I like Beto but for whatever reason, the voters don't, so he's out. And for God's sake, choose someone under fucking seventy.

Beto is a loser

[quote]If Kamala becomes the nominee, she needs to go with a white Southern male VP.

Andy Beshear

Roy Cooper - governor of North Carolina, which is a swing state!

[quote]Roy Cooper

No More Boomers.

Pritzker is too fat. Shapiro.

A two-women ticket could be a good idea. It would bring out the absolutely worst in Trump. Nobody thought Obama could happen and he did.

[quote]Pritzker is too fat.

I suppose candidates must pass the No Fats, No Females filter.

Chris Christie (on the View) said if it's Kamala she has two choices - the better one is Josh Shapiro because the D's have to win Pennsylvania. The 2nd choice is Andy Beshear.

The same Chris Christie who,, in the end, said he would still vote for Trump? I think DNC should absolutely heed his advice.

Uh, no, R 127.

While I would love to see Harris, if she's the nominee, debate Trump, I can't see him debating her (or anyone else) unless the polls flip. He'll just say the Dems engineered an anti-democratic coup & he recognizes only Biden as the rightful nominee.

It'd be a gamble that to some he looks afraid of her.

Misogynist young men who don’t want to pay child support will vote for two women this year when Griswold vs. Connecticut is on the ticket.

Exactly. A huge bump in the MAGA membership came from MRAs and regressive younger men in whom even a mere mention of the word "feminism" induces fits of rage.

He's not as well known as others but Mitch Landrieu from New Orleans who is part of the Biden Administration would be great Check him out on You Tube. I hope WHEN we get back in office in 2025, we get rid of Merrick Garland, and hire Doug Jones as AG. And I want Pete Buttegeig to move from Transportation where he has done an excellent job, to White House Chief of Staff. He'd be perfect.

[quote]Pete Buttegeig to move from Transportation where he has done an excellent job

He has not done an excellent job.

Christie recommended Shapiro or Beshear because that would get rid of a Democratic governor, and open the door to a Republican candidate to win PA and Kentucky. Also, a lot of talk about BeShear running for the Senate. So running for POTUS, potentially could take him out of that. Now neither i a bad choice, but neither has a lot of name recognition outside their states. Gretch has more, IMO.

OK. I just heard this.... HIllary is going to fight Michelle Obama for the nomination in a battle royale at the convention. There will be blood on the floor. (They're both post-menopausal.) Neither one will agree to being the VP, they both want to be President. OMG

Shapiro is a great option. He’s confident, well-spoken, moderate on most issues, and likable.

Kamala needs to pick a straight white Christian male to have a fighting chance.

Agreed that she would. Interesting that there's not much call for her to replace him, as there is for an open convention.

Two women can win this year. Vance wants to take birth control away from straight men.

Either Kelly or Shapiro. If she thinks NC is a better demographic fit for her than Pennsylvania - they both have an equal number of electoral votes, she should go with Kelly to pick up Arizona.

Kelly's got the best storyline.

ME!!!!

WHEN WE!!!!

R142 Kelly has no charisma and he is ugly. He looks like he is from outer space. And Gabby is in no shape to be his partner in this endeavor.

I suspect that Gabby Giffords is mostly under the care of paid caregivers and Mark just remains married to her for financial reasons.

Pretty much anyone on the Democratic bench is better than the GOP shitshow ticket.

Shapiro

Why does it have to be a straight white man? Why nit a gay black man, but who is a dominant top, like Big Mike.

I'd like to see the Atlanta mayor Andre Dickens. He is done a lot of great things for Atlanta. And I would love to see him up on the world stage doing those things. I live in Atlanta and I voted for him and I would vote for him on whatever ticket he was on.

I'm for either Beshears (he is hot!) or Whitmer. I saw her on Colbert and she is a really poised, fun, smart person! And she's a lawyer. Think about it. Two lawyers, women. The SCOTUS would shit itself.Kavanaughhasstill not recovered from Kamala's questioning him, and Clarence and Sam will be ready to commit suicide.

At first I thought "no way would a two women ticket fly." Now, I'm not so sure. Maybe it's good to let GOP show all those female voters how truly misogynistic they are.

I just hope Kamala picks someone that America likes and not someone she likes like Hilary did with her pick of Tim Kane.

Could Senator Gary Peters (Michigan) be a possibility?

I highly doubt any Senators will be picked as a running mate, the Democrats need every Senator they can to stay in the Senate and a Governor will better balance out the ticket.

[quote] I highly doubt any Senators will be picked as a running mate, the Democrats need every Senator they can to stay in the Senate

Do you understand how senators are replaced if one resigns or dies?

Beto is the best one.

People need to be strategic.

No currently sitting Dem Senator should be picked, because we absolutely need to keep the Senate. Too risky.

Similarly with sitting Dem Governors in swing states.

Newsome makes no sense because you'd have two people from California. That's an easy attack line, as well as a complete lack of demographic power when we need to win the Electoral College.

Someone from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, ... I'd say Shapiro but it's not guaranteed he'd be replaced by another Dem as Governor of PA. So not him. But we need someone that doesn't turn off huge swaths of the left or the middle. And we need someone that excites voters in a swing state.

Beto doesn't fit the bill at all.

[quote]Do you understand how senators are replaced if one resigns or dies?

It differs by state, so the answer to that is different depending on which Senator you want to select. Some may be less risky than others. Some are appointed by the governor, some trigger a special election, ... so look into the details before suggesting any Senator.

A Senator from a swing state is a potentially a lost Senate seat and a Senator from a safe blue state is not helpful demographically.

R156 is Beto.

Beto is a fugly loser.

[quote] Someone from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, ... I'd say Shapiro but it's not guaranteed he'd be replaced by another Dem as Governor of PA. So not him. But we need someone that doesn't turn off huge swaths of the left or the middle. And we need someone that excites voters in a swing state.

Sounds like Mark Kelly.

I'm going with Shapiro as things stans now.

I'd love to see Pete Buttigieg but I dunno if a "woman + gay man" ticket is something this country will choose going up against alleged "macho man / alpha" Trump.

[quote] "macho man / alpha" Trump

Oh, it feels so good to laugh again!!!

If it’s Kamala, then Shapiro is the only choice.

Cooper and Harris were campaigning together Thursday. Coincidence?

[quote] Cooper and Harris were campaigning together Thursday. Coincidence?

I think not!

It won't be Mark Kelly. It will be someone younger. Andy Beshear has that southern wholesome charm that will appeal to a lot of moderates in the flyover states. Plus, he's very handsome. American politics are all about optics as well as policies, and he just looks ready-made to be VP. It will be him.

Her running mate will overshadow her no matter who it is.

Mike Memoli, NBC's WH correspondent, mentioned two names. Roy Cooper & Mark Kelly.

Try thinking with more than your dick, R169.

Roy Cooper is also a former AG. Two former AGs on the same ticket?

Also, he looks kinda old to me.

Kamala’s menu of potential VPs:

If the democrats want to put their money where their mouth is regarding this election being an extensional threat to democracy (which I definitely believe it is) then they need to do something different like a unity ticket: Harris/Adam Kinzinger

Oh fuck no.

If they want to win, then it shouldn’t be Harris.

Oh fuck YOU, R177.

Beshear looks the part

I knew that "fear, uncertainty, doom" trolls would regroup and show up after a while.

[quote] Also, he looks kinda old to me.

Cooper's 67.

Beshear

[quote] Try thinking with more than your dick, [R169].

I am, dear. This is the time to ignite young voters, and all the names thrown out there of possible VPs are as old or older than Harris. Young people need to be energized to vote, and choosing someone old won't cut it for Gen Z. One of the biggest complaints you hear from Gen Z is that they're tired of seeing people old enough to be their great-grandfathers in leadership positions in Washington. Harris already appeals to younger people, and adding Beshear will be a plus for her campaign -- especially ensuring white working-class voters in the Midwest support her.

Kelly, Shapiro, Cooper, etc., would be the equivalent of HRC picking Tim Kaine.

[quote]Cooper's 67.

We’re not doing Boomers.

So I hate to say this, because I fucking loathe those left-wing activists who've been protesting Biden and calling hi "genocide joe" but we need their votes, and I think putting a Jewish person in the VP slot would cause them to lose their shit and refuse to vote for Democrats. Not that a ton of them will anyway, but we need SOME Of them to.

Ugh. I feel dirty for even bringing this up.

She needs a VP that can appeal to voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Nevada. That’s it. Please stop with the fantasies about young voters turning out in droves to support a young VP.

The only positive is that Vance was a bad choice for VP. Trump should have picked a woman or a black VP.

Trump would've never picked a woman. In the end, Elmo and Thiel basically told him who to pick in order to get those checks. And give that both of them are neonazis, it was never gonna be a Black guy (or anyone non-Aryan), no matter what.

[quote] So I hate to say this, because I fucking loathe those left-wing activists who've been protesting Biden and calling hi "genocide joe" but we need their votes, and I think putting a Jewish person in the VP slot would cause them to lose their shit and refuse to vote for Democrats. Not that a ton of them will anyway, but we need SOME Of them to.

You do realize Harris's husband is Jewish, don't you?

[quote] She needs a VP that can appeal to voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Nevada. That’s it. Please stop with the fantasies about young voters turning out in droves to support a young VP.

Wasn't that Hillary Clinton's reason for choosing Tim Kaine? And look how that turned out.

Young people (and women) were the reason for the high turnout during the 22 mid-terms, and they denied the Republicans their red wave. Stubborn eldergays like yourself refuse to live in the reality that the demographics have changed and still see elections as if we're still living in the 90s.

Josh Shapiro for the Pennsylvania swing state vote. He's popular in his state.

I bet you that more of those young people would prefer Bernie Sanders to Beshear. Not that I think that would be the right way to go either.

Kamala should pick Hunter Biden, think of all the money they would save not having to print new signs.

This is a joke, it is clearly a joke so don't take it all serious.

Yeah, focus on the critical states. Who can win

She needs to swat down the “laughing Kamala” nickname and start sniping the fuck out of Trump and Vivance. She’s been a cynical political climber throughout her career despite the sweet, kooky persona she shows the public. Now is the moment to drop the veil and let the country see how much of a ruthless cunt she can be. Let everyone know she is willing to kneecap anyone who stands in the way of her defending and advancing the Biden/Harris agenda.

[quote]Wasn't that Hillary Clinton's reason for choosing Tim Kaine? And look how that turned out.

Tim Kaine wasn’t from any of the important swing states. He brought nothing to the ticket.

How old is Elizabeth Warren?

My vote is Whitmer. Beshears is second.

I wanted Mark Kelly for the top of the ticket, but I think he could still give Kamala a lot of uplift among “never Trump” whites as her running mate. It’s hard to not take him seriously.

Gavin Newsome should not even be a consideration. And if he thinks he will open the convention with a challenge to Kamala, he is nuts. If Nancy is smart she will get on the Kamala train because it's getting ready to leave the station. You already have Manchin thinking about re registering as a Democrat to challenge her. He is another sick fuck.

Newsom endorsed Harris, R198.

I would not mind that laughing and cackling if I felt it was genuine. She can't be so incredibly amused about Venn diagrams al the time. She has to take on nuclear-armed Iran in a few years so she better does what R194 says.

[quote]If Nancy is smart she will get on the Kamala train because it's getting ready to leave the station.

Nancy will not get on the Kamala train until she’s convinced that Kamala has the votes.

Beshear or Kelly

[quote] Tim Kaine wasn’t from any of the important swing states. He brought nothing to the ticket.

Maybe because no one, including Trump, thought she was going to lose. Much like what informed the Vance pick.

Frankie Grande

Can someone give me a sane reason why it should NOT be Andy Beshear? He seems like a no-brainer choice to me.

How can we determine what will propel Gen Zs to vote Dem when they've never had young candidates to support for President or VP before?

HARRIS/BESHEAR 2024

It will be Bashear or Shapiro. Shapiro has the advantage because he brings a must-win state and will have crossover appeal in the other must-win Rust Belt states.

Will Beshear do well debating Vance?

[quote]How old is Elizabeth Warren?

Too old.

It will be Shapiro or Kelly. Or Cooper.

R19 is right too freakish for regular folks.

Jon Ossoff

I wonder why Jon Ossoff hasn't been mentioned as a potential VP pick.

Is there any other rational possibility that hasn't been listed here yet, or will this thread just go on rehashing the same ones over and over?

Ossoff is great but too new to the Senate (and politics) and with no national profile.

I love Shapiro but worry that being Jewish (read elitist) will work against him (and I'm Jewish).

Mark Kelly is too old and sad to say, not attractive enough (as shallow as that sounds).

Beshear is the clear winner here. Winning the Governorship (twice!) of Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul's state says everything you need to know about his popularity and appeal, especially to 20 and 30 somethings.

that Kennedy family twink otter kid for VP

It will absolutely not be Jon Ossoff who needs to stay in his hard-won Senate seat.

I would love if it were Pete but I don't know if some people could handle a black woman and a gay man. Mark Kelly is ugly but he has a good reputation and is clean (already been vetted)

It will be a straight white guy.

BeShear is attractive but he seems so scripted.There's a mannequin quality about him. I like Gretchen. She is spontaneous and smart and fun.

[quote]I would love if it were Pete but I don't know if some people could handle a black woman and a gay man.

I was just looking at Pete Buttigieg trending on X, from people wanting him to be the VP nominee.

I think Beshear is great, but he has that weird Hemorrhoidal look going on.

R219, someone who is young, telegenic and never goes off script has the exact right qualifications for a veep slot, R219. That's why I think he would be the best choice.

It'll probably be Kelly, but if Kamala really wants this to be an election about generational change, Beshear or Shapiro are the smartest choices, and there are other good options like Ossoff and Buttigieg who could fill that role as well. Roy Cooper is too old, and North Carolina is always just slightly out of reach.

Who the hell is the Kennedy twink otter kid?

That Joe Kennedy III?

r223 Caroline's son, the one who does the crazy tiktoks - Jack Schlossberg

I really hope they encourage her to run as dirty and shady as possible on Dump.

Thanks, r224.

She needs to go the High-Riding Bitch route.

For what it's worth, eight hours ago:

@CaptMarkKelly "I couldn’t be more confident that Vice President @KamalaHarris is the right person to defeat Donald Trump and lead our country into the future. She has my support for the nomination, and Gabby and I will do everything we can to elect her President of the United States

Great Kamala ad attacking Trump in 2020

R225 I don't think she needs encouragement. She knows what's what.

On Sunday, Cooper said Biden cemented his place as one of the best U.S. presidents and endorsed Harris as the party's presidential nominee. He later spoke with her by phone to offer his support.

"Kamala Harris should be the next president," Cooper said Sunday on social media. "I've known [Harris] going back to our days as AGs, and she has what it takes to defeat Donald Trump and lead our country thoughtfully and with integrity. I look forward to campaigning for her as we work to win NC up and down the ticket."

The VP pick must be a white male. There are three options:

Gov Andy Beshear of Kentucky. He is a rising star in the Democratic Party, although he won't help to win KY.

Gov Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, and another rising star who would help to win PA, although the country may not vote for a black woman and a Jew on the same ticket.

Gov Roy Cooper of North Carolina would help the Dems win NC. He lacks charisma, but he may be the type to appeal to the voters of Michigan and Wisconsin.

By the way, Gov Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan is a no-go because two women on the same ticket won't sell.

My pick: I don't know yet, although Biden stepping down feels like a huge weight has been lifted. Today I feel that there is a great sense of renewal and optimism.

Sen Mark Kelly of Arizona is a nonstarter. The Dems cannot afford to lose the Senate seat. The Repug AZ governor will appoint a Repug to fill the seat.

R233, how could you not remember that Katie Hobbs beat Kari Lake to become governor of Arizona?! Mark Kelly is definitely a contender.

Cooper or Shapiro. NC and Penn are key states. Without them Dems can’t win.

Dems cannot win without EITHER of NC or Pennsylvania, R235; they don’t need BOTH.

Beshear

Shapiro

Re: Mark Kelly. Yes, he’s over 70… HOWEVER… I think to have Gabby Giffords on the campaign trail, to show what an ACTUAL victim of an assassination attempt looks like (as opposed to a booboo on an earlobe) could be VERY powerful.

It would cock block that faux martyrdom PERFECTLY… and Kelly is an ASTRONAUT… try to denigrate him, Hillbilly.

They are going to fucking fight it out at the Democratic National Convention. Even MANCHIN wants the job now. So does Bernie. Little Pete probably wants it too. The DNC is fucking this up. Kamala is going to lose to Trump. This is Hillary all over again.

Oh, shit! Mark Kelly is only 60! My bad!!! Sign him up!!!

The GOP is going hard on Biden not resigning now. And they have a point. What a fucking avoidable mess.

[quote]I agree with this. It won't happen. It drives me fucking crazy that some people can't realize that this country is still very misogynistic.

Even countries that have actually elected female leaders, such as Germany, can still be very sexist and misogynistic.

It will be Beshear.

Mark my words.

Is this Desperate Buttigieg using his home state newspaper to peddle HIM as a possible Veep pick?. How sad. She ain't picking Pete.

[quote]This is Hillary all over again.

Doubtful. Hillary didn't have the votes from disillusioned Republican Never Trumpers. Kamala has the advantage of voters having experienced Trump's demented presidency.

[quote] Mark Kelly

My god. ENOUGH with the Baby Boomers, FFS!

Mark Cuban

Make the Orange Menace work for Florida

Andy Beshear. An actual holler raised hillbilly who didn't go running off to suck Theil's foreign dick

The type of people who won’t vote for two women already won’t vote for a woman on the top of the ticket.

[quote]Andy Beshear. An actual holler raised hillbilly who didn't go running off to suck Theil's foreign dick

I would love to watch Vance shrivel up during this debate.

[quote]The GOP is going hard on Biden not resigning now. And they have a point. What a fucking avoidable mess.

How could the "mess" have been avoided R240?

Is she is the democratic nominee she might as well pick Dylan Mulvaney.

Don't you have to go and lick Dump's asshole right now R251?

Jussie Smollett

Such a weird thing to say R252. Are you OK?

[quote][R233], how could you not remember that Katie Hobbs beat Kari Lake to become governor of Arizona?!

Isn’t Kari Lake still claiming that she’s the actual governor since the election was stolen?

[quote]The GOP is going hard on Biden not resigning now. And they have a point. What a fucking avoidable mess.

Biden has absolute immunity and can do whatever he wants, per the Supreme Court. He should just tell the GOP to fuck off or he’s going to have them assassinated.

[quote]The GOP is going hard on Biden not resigning now.

Not to interrupt the enemy while he's making a mistake, but they might want to focus on Kamala now if they intend to win this election.

[quote] Andy Beshear. An actual holler raised hillbilly who didn't go running off to suck Theil's foreign dick

He's the scion of a political dynasty.

[quote] Not to interrupt the enemy while he's making a mistake, but they might want to focus on Kamala now if they intend to win this election.

To play the devil's advocate, is it possible they want to see her locked in as the nominee first, before going at her full blare? Maybe they don't want to give the Dems an excuse to field what could be a stronger candidate?

Why should Biden resign to p,ease Trump? No way.

r259 Maybe. But time is running out!

Buttiegieg is winning the poll by a long way.

She’s already been voted on and won. She was the VP nominee on thus year’s ticket where the Presidential candidate was likely to die in office.

Bootyjig is never going to happen.

[quote] Is she is the democratic nominee she might as well pick Dylan Mulvaney.

Are there photos of them together? If so, that will be blasted.

Jussie, who else?

VP's are meant to be the attack dog of the ticket. Beshear is too nice. You need the meanest bully on the block who strikes fear into the other side.

Mitch Landrieu, yep. Big Gretch, too. Newsom can cunt. So can Hakeem Jeffries, but we need him where he is. The rest on this list not so much. It's a hard brief to find a Democrat with the assholery of a Chris Christie, but that's what is needed here.

Whitmer and Newsom are too big to be VP, they'd never play second fiddle to Kamala like that.

[quote] VP's are meant to be the attack dog of the ticket.

Top cop/prosecutor Kamala has to be the alpha dog of this ticket.

Once again re: Newsom

They're both from California.

It's weird how everywhere else I see Buttigieg getting the most excitement, while here he's barely mentioned.

And I feel like Shapiro would alienate the millennials and gen-Zers who are all bent out of shape over Israel and Gaza and would provide a huge line of attack from the Left... unfair as that may be.

One thing I don't see being considered by any of you is that you don't want a VP that puts a target on Harris's back... there are a lot of racist, sexist sickos who would immediately seek to take her out so a straight white male could be in that spot. Buttigieg doesn't do that, for obvious reasons.

I'm also thinking a Hispanic male would be a great option demographically, but I'm not sure who would fit the bill or fit the qualifications.

Shapiro is a very solid choice. It makes me laugh to think the idea that he's a Jew will make people not vote for Harris. We've already a black presidenrt and Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. Do people really think people will not vote or vote for Dump simplyt because a Jew is on the ticket? That's absurd. Shapiro is also not a rabid pro-Israel supporter.

Pennsylvania also voted for the Jewish guy. Before everyone says Pennsylvania is not the rest of the country, I would remind you that Pennsylvania--also sometimes known as Pennsyltucky--is about as indicative a cross-section of red and blue as you'll find in any state.

[quote]Mark Kelly [quote] My god. ENOUGH with the Baby Boomers, FFS!

He's a Generation Jones like Kamala.

[quote] He's a Generation Jones like Kamala.

DL doesn’t consider that a real generation. When I said that I was an Xennial in a thread a while back, I was told to fuck off.

R275, I'd consider Generation Jones and Xennials to be sub-generations, but that's a minor distinction, and I do think they're real.

I think the problem with Kelly isn't where he sits precisely on the generational divide, it's that he looks older than his actual age while Kamala looks younger. It might not be fair, but optics do matter, and if one of the strengths of your campaign is generational change, a man who looks like the old guy from Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul doesn't really deliver that message.

Mark Kelly. Give them space lasers! Not Jewish, but still...

Auditions in full swing now.

R275, they are both so close to GenX to be honorary members

coop and harris campaigned twice last week in nc. he is a "dear friend" to her per her.

read the room.

Gavin Newsom—-no way they put 2 Californians on the ticket. This is fantasy

Andy Beshear—-Gov of Kentucky, love this dude but do we really want to pull a Democratic Gov out of KY?

Gov Whitmer—she already said No.

Roy Cooper—could help us win N. Carolina. Still Not feeling it

Josh Shapiro—he hands us Pennsylvania, that's the ballgame. He’s loved there. Strong possibility. He’s also Jewish though so here comes all the anti-semitic attacks

JD Pritzer—billionaire gov of Illinois…not feeling this. Im feeling too much billionaire baggage

Mark Kelly—-could hand us Arizona. Astronaut. Served our country. Gabby Giffords, his wife, brings a lot to the ticket because people love her…my number 1 pick

Wes Moore…sad to say, I know nothing about him. And honestly, two black people on the ticket? Come on. In this racist fucking country. I don't think he has any chance this round

Pete Buttigieg…could hand us the Midwest. Smart. Served our country. Would be my number 1 pick. But lets face it, dudes gay. I'm gay. And we all know a black woman & a gay dude on the same ticket? I think most of America, besides open-minded people and young people would wet themselves. Fucking bigots. But its reality.

[quote]coop and harris campaigned twice last week in nc. he is a "dear friend" to her per her. read the room.

Harris just campaigned with Shapiro in PA last week too.

I'm with Beto or Tim Kaine, we need to secure Texas and Virginia!

Beto is a non-starter. It won't be him. And he wouldn't help carry Texas anyway. He's a three-time loser here. He lost to TED CRUZ.

Did she call him a dear friend ¿

It's too early to be reading the tea leaves. A shit ton of polling is going to be done between now and the convention, at which point she's going to choose someone who polls well AND helps her out in a weaker swing state.

R278 He's so cute, the things I would do to him :P

Of all the front runners: Whitaker, Beshear, Shapiro, Cooper, Cooper is the only candidate of them all to have run on the same ballot as Trump twice. Not only did he run on the same ballot, he won on the same ballot Trump won on, and got more votes than Trump both times in those statewide elections.

This proven ability to out compete Trump in a state which people may say is purple but has only elected a Democrat for president once in the last 7 presidential cycles, paired with the fact that they are, by Harris’s own words, old friends means that the smart money is on Cooper.

I like the cut of your jib, r256! And I heartily concur with your sentiment.

Presidential immunity lets Joe cunt punt some fascist pricks, free and clear.

That astronaut with the wife that was shot. It's almost too cynical for words, but it cancels out any sympathy Trimp gets from his shooting.

Mark Kelly isn't as easy on the eyes as the other suggestions and that plays a part as well, let's be real.

Kelly’s not going anywhere. He just got reelected and if he left, Katie Hobbs would appoint a replacement to serve until the next regularly scheduled election.

Considering how Kelly, who is by all accounts very popular and has great name recognition, only beat political newcomer Blake Masters by .22 of a percent, it’s too much of a gamble to pick him.

R292, Kelly beat Masters by almost 5%, a pretty clear margin.

IF Shapiro runs as VP what happens to the Governorship? That's my problem with Beshear too.

Lieutenant Governor Austin Davis automatically becomes the Governor in PA if Shapiro resigns.

You really should have included Sen. Mark Kelly of Arizona . He’s getting a lot of mentions and if elected, a Democratic governor would appoint his replacement

Please think about 8 years from now after Kamala has served her Presidential run. Who do you want to be the Dem Presidential candidate then?

Cooper? Kelly? Too old!

Beshear? Shapiro? Just right.

Mark Kelly wasn’t even registered as a Democrat until he ran for Senate the first time. Not necessarily the picture of the strong party soldier you’d typically expect from a VP.

R297, the Democrats don’t have a history of electing VPs as Presidents, Biden was an anomaly. Even when the Republicans do it, the Presidents haven’t been successful or elected to a second term.

It doesn't matter at this point, the election is a little over 3 months away. How can they get it together in so little time. Let's just play our violins while the Titanic sinks.

I think the choice should be someone who actually ran something: a state, city... even a large corporation.

r299, I honestly don't think we can look to the past for guidance anymore. It's the 21st century and everything is different now. Just think about tRump amd what a different world it is. Sad, but true.

R300,what are you talking about, getting it together? The Democratic Party platform, and particularly the opinions of the current POTUS and VPOTUS, haven’t changed. The vast majority of people are going to vote for one party or the other, no matter who the candidate is, and if you’re still undecided then there is plenty of time for Kamala to let you know what she believes in. The convention hasn’t even happened yet.

R302, I appreciate your opinion but most levelheaded people will choose to believe verifiable facts and history than some amorphous feeling unsupported by any actual observation.

R298, Eisenhower wasn’t a registered Republican until he ran for president.

[quote] Eisenhower wasn’t a registered Republican until he ran for president.

Military leaders get to do that because they are supposed to be nonpartisan until they run for office.

Mark Kelly….from a swing state…..marine veteran….looks like a macho MAGA…..astronaut…wife poster child for gun control

Buttigieg

It needs to be an LGBTQ.

R307, the ticket “needs” to win. That, more than anything else, is what is needed.

NOT a middle aged white male to balance the ticket. It did Hillary no good at all - she should have gone with Julian Castro.

My vote is Pete, or the Governor of Kentucky.

[quote] Buttigieg, It needs to be an LGBTQ.

Pete is busy (?) right now not doing anything about the Delta Airlines meltdown. Another transportation disaster to add to his list.

[quote] Mark Kelly isn't as easy on the eyes as the other suggestions and that plays a part as well, let's be real

He looks an 1980s high school football coach.

Kelly is a badass being a former astronaut. A lot of young people are into Neil deGrasse Tyson. He could call out Elon on X.

I know he’s unattractive, but so are most straight men.

[quote] Mark Kelly wasn’t even registered as a Democrat until he ran for Senate the first time. Not necessarily the picture of the strong party soldier you’d typically expect from a VP.

Trump was a Democrat and donated to Kamala...twice!

R313, and you see what they got with him! He’s not a Republican either and has wrested the party away from the actual Republicans!

R309, Julian Castro has proven himself to have the political instincts of a wet noodle, and to be disloyal and all around a massive disappointment. Hillary was absolutely right not to pick him. Ugh.

It would be great if there were a Hispanic man who actually WAS a great choice... but I cannot think of one off the top of my head.

This is what we need to crush Trump.

Julian Castro is a fugly phony.

Jim Clyburn in today's Newsweek article heralded Beshear, Shapiro and Cooper (all governors, Jim gets it) as the leading candidates for VP and I'd be surprised if Kamala went against his recs. I can't imagine it won't come down to Beshear and Shapiro.

I see Shapiro as the more dynamic personality of those two, but I think that's what could work against him. Kamala might benefit more with someone less fiery as a running mate and Beshear fits that to a T. And of course, he's not Jewish, which unfortunately might turn away some idiot voters. from Shapiro.

But I'm all for Beshear in any case.

It will be Cooper. Shapiro doesn’t have the experience and Bashear is from a political dynasty in a state that Harris will never win.

Cooper is a friend of Kamala’s, they know one another well and have for a long time. Cooper also has a track record of successfully working with Republican legislatures and successfully getting Republicans to vote for him. He also has gotten more votes than Trump each time he’s run, on the same ticket, and the other two haven’t even been on the same ticket and even then haven’t gotten the number of votes got in their states that Trump did in 2020.

NC has almost as many electoral votes as PA and has been a state targeted by the Biden/Harris campaign as a state they think they can flip.

Unless the VP can deliver a swing state, the choice has historically had very little impact on the race. She should pick Shapiro, Whitmer or Kelly.

Shapiro is a total alpha. He'll destroy that little pussy Vance on the campaign trail.

Whitmer has announced that she won't accept the VP if offered. Also, America is not ready for 2 women (sadly).

Stop suggesting her.

So, will we soon be hearing of polls with these VP candidates, and will that determine who'll get it? Will Kamala follow the polls?

[quote] It will be Cooper.

But Cooper is old. He's 67, and by the time it's his turn to run for president, he will be the same age as Biden. The Democratic Party is already mounting attacks against Trump for being the oldest presidential nominee in American history. Kamala Harris's campaign is signaling that this is a generational election moving away from old people at the top.

It's between Beshear and Shapiro, with Beshear being the likely person she'll pick.

R324, not everyone who serves as vice president runs for President. As a matter of fact, Joe Biden was the first one in a quarter century to do so. Not every VP even serves two terms, in fact most in our history haven’t.

Cooper seems like a good guy, and he is obviously a great campaigner at the state level, but he isn't an exciting speaker (as Tom Kaine isn't). They need to fire on all cylinders for the next 3 months.

R326, crowds don’t come to see the VP, they aren’t the guys giving big arena speeches. They are there to travel around and talk to the base and get out the vote.

She needs a white man who can reShear is good looking, but he has a pronounced Southern accent, and...his teeth. So there's that. IMO these qualities make him the perfect VP candidate. He also projects good energy.

[quote] Will Kamala follow the polls?

No Rose at R323, she’s going to follow the yellow brick road!

R328, I remember one reporter said that Beshear gives middle class dad in a family mini van energy. Things like that appeal to voters in the Midwest.

Plus, he has the advantage of being from Appalachia, like JD Vance. I could see him torching that phony in a debate.

Beshear is what mayonnaise would look like if it became a sentient being

Mayo on French Fries

Ooo Laa Laa

Make hay (and contributions) now folks

I'd only watch the Olympics if Macron opened the diving competition wearing the skimpiest of Speedos.

I posted this elsewhere and I’ll post it again here.

Bashearnis acting like a man auditioning for a job. He’s been on two or three networks today. Roy Cooper is acting like a man who has a job offer, or at least knows what the potential employer is thinking. He went on Morning Joe early and said:

[quote] "I appreciate people talking about me, but I think the focus right now needs to be on her this week," Cooper said. "And she needs to concentrate on making sure that she secures his nomination and gets the campaign ready to go. The vice presidential conversation needs to occur later."

I also pointed out that of all of the list of front runners, Cooper alone has most certainly been talking with the Biden/Harris campaign about a cabinet position for most of the last year. All of the others are still serving their terms and the Biden/Harris campaign would have wanted them to stay put rather than risk a loss in a special election. One assumes the thinking of the Harris campaign is very much like the thinking of the Biden campaign on that front.

Ken Thomas @KThomasDC

[quote]Harris' campaign has requested vetting materials from potential VPs, including Cooper (NC), Kelly (AZ), Shapiro (PA), Whitmer (MI), Walz (MN) + Pritzker (IL), according to a person familiar. Beshear told CNN he hasn't been asked to submit info at this point.

Minnesotan here. Loooove our governor Walz. Probably the most normal/relatable of that bunch.

Just googled an image of dear Governor Walz of Minnesota. Uh, no. Just....no.

[quote] he has the advantage of being from Appalachia, like JD Vance

Democrats would want to contrast their VP pick with Vance. They don’t want a metoo Appalachian.

Beshear seems a bit awkward to me - and had to bring up his faith (in this interview since Joe stepped down). ugh

Sure hates J D Vance though. The people of Kentucky are NOT lazy dammit...

Have to admit I find Andy a little dull and robotic there at r340, but I can only think that will be a plus for Kamala as her running mate. He seems Iike he'd balance her perfectly and sway those reluctant voters on the fence.

Pritzker is morbidly obese WTF? But worth 3.5 billion, so I guess there's that.

Walz is ok - kind of boring. Cooper's slightly shaky or smth but if he brings North Carolina onboard, I'm guessing he's the guy.

With her husband being Jewish, and the campus protests about Israel and 'genocide Joe', uh, I'd worry about Shapiro.

[quote]and had to bring up his faith (in this interview since Joe stepped down)

Yeah, that's a total turnoff. Too thirsty, no one likes seeing someone tooting their own horn. It also implies Kamala's Baptist faith isn't sufficient.

[quote] Sure hates J D Vance though. The people of Kentucky are NOT lazy dammit...

I got give Beshear credit for slamming Vance on that.

I have never read Hillbilly Elegy. I remember some book blogger said that many of the things Vance claimed in the book seemed inspired/lifeted from Regan's "welfare queen" stories.

[quote] It also implies Kamala's Baptist faith isn't sufficient.

Kamala gives off closet atheist vibes much like Obama does. I suspect most politicians are closeted atheists or agnostics and they attend churches for social standing and networking.

[quote]Pritzker is morbidly obese WTF?

His whole family except for the daughter is fat. I don't understand why that's still a thing in the age of Ozempic.

Even his cousin is fat!

r345 Totally. Trump was probably the most atheist president so far.

[quote] Beshear seems a bit awkward to me - and had to bring up his faith (in this interview since Joe stepped down).

Yeah, I have to admit, he came off a little anxious in that interview, which is odd because I've seen him in other interviews, and he was more relaxed.

I still think Harris will pick him because he checks all the boxes: He's young, white, male, attractive, wholesome, and has a bit of a southern drawl. He has that appeal that white middle-class suburbanites like.

The only reason why it won't be Shapiro is because of his response to the campus protest regarding the war in Israel. Harris wants to attract younger voters, and they're already energized and like her (she has a ton of memes on TikTok). Picking Shapiro will turn them off.

I still want Beshear in me quite deeply.

Followed by Josh Shapiro.

[quote] His whole family except for the daughter is fat. I don't understand why that's still a thing in the age of Ozempic.

He and his wife could have weight loss surgery done years ago. I wonder if they get some kind of weird power trip/fetish from being fat.

JB's brother Anthony isn't obese. He's sort of a cute nerd guy.

[quote]I wonder if they get some kind of weird power trip/fetish from being fat.

That's my theory as well. Rich people love flaunting their wealth in every way imaginable. They used to be proud of their gout back in the olden days because it meant you ate well.

Pritzker reminds me of the actor Pat Hingle. I think Hingle gained weight as he aged, but was never obese.

MK Pritzker is an odd looking woman. She looks like a overweight version of creepy old fashioned doll.

Maybe they don’t want to risk the side effects of Ozembic? Or maybe they don’t care that they’re fat. He gets elected anyway.

There are far more side effects to being morbidly obese than they are to taking Ozempic, which protects you from at least ten different obesity-related cancers, and that's even before we get to blood pressure and cholesterol.

Anyway, we've strayed so far off the main topic, it's almost comical.

Interesting R335.

Castro would not have done Hillary any good at all, either, R309.

Revised poll in light of “issues” with OP’s list

Oops

If being Jewish knocks Shapiro out of the running then it also knocks Pritzker out.

Pritzker just seems like a bad idea on numerous levels. He's the Dem version of Chris Christie.

I could see Shapiro or Pritzker being passed over because of the far left brat voters who worship at the feet of dumb twats like AOC, Rashida Slob, Ilhan Omar etc.

If Kamala has to pick a big man from IL let it be Mike Frerichs, the 6 ft 8 state treasurer.

Definitely a man.

Who ever she chooses has to reassure people. Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan was asked by Dana Bash today, if she had any ideas about a possible VP choice and she said, "Well, you know we have been looking at two men leading the ticket since forever, so I don't see why we can't have two women..." But she named no names... I'm looking at you Gretch!

Not possible to win with 2 women. Sad but true

Are they betting in Vegas?

Any sense at all of when the VP pick will be announced? Has there been any indication of a timeline on this? A week? A month?

Weeks not months

this week.

R368 Two ways to think of the timeline.

One: before the roll call vote (online, one the phone, before the convention on Aug 19). A "ticket" nominated.

Two: announced and voted on at the convention on Aug 19.

I am thinking it's #2 because 1) there is so little time to vet the potential nominees, god forbid someone is chosen and there are scandals/secrets found out later and 2) the "suspense" would be good TV for the convention.

Apparently it's between Kelly, Shapiro, and Cooper. I think Kelly ticks the most boxes and it would be an amazing feel-good story to get him and Gabby out there. Drown out the toxic misery of Dump and the Repugs and show what a real American hero looks like. Appealing to both men and women.

Another vote for Roy Cooper. He should bring in the votes for North Carolina. The only drawback could be his age. He's 67.

it will not be the jewish guy. that's not a risk to take.

But he's a very well perserved and good looking 67. I'd go with him or Kelly. Keep Shapiro in PA.

Gen X will vote Trump if there’s not an Xer on this ticket. It’s beyond time. Shapiro.

Chuck Todd was just on MSNBC and these were his thoughts:

Mark Kelly, Andy Beshear and Josh Shapiro are the best candidates for VP. He said that Kelly brings the most to the table and is probably the top pick right now. Beshear is in second place, since he successfully won two grueling campaigns for governor in a red state. He said that Shapiro may not have enough experience as he has only served for two years.

He thinks Harris should wait till after the Olympics before announcing her choice. Let the country get to know her first. Plus, the speculation is fun.

Chuck thinks she should hold talks with Liz Cheney to send a message to Never-Trumpers and Independents that she want their votes. Todd sees Cheney getting a role in a Harris administration. I'd love to see her meet with Nikki Haley and Mitt Romney, too. Trump's head would explode.

[quote] I know he’s unattractive, but so are most straight men.

Not the straight men I know, R312.

Enough with this bullshit that Shapiro being Jewish is a liability. He's a very popular governor in a crucial swing state, and he has not expressed any pro-Israel sentiment that would get in his way. So knock it off.

[quote] Chuck thinks she should hold talks with Liz Cheney to send a message to Never-Trumpers and Independents that she want their votes. Todd sees Cheney getting a role in a Harris administration. I'd love to see her meet with Nikki Haley and Mitt Romney, too.

Chuck Todd is the Aaron Sorkin of punditry. Good lord, this is stupid. Nikki Haley has already endorsed Trump. Mitt Romney is retiring. And Liz Cheney is still a Republican, despite her anti-Trumpism. Harris already has the anti-Trump Republicans in her corner, she doesn't need these three for anything.

r379, member of the tribe.

R381, actually I'm not, but you sure sound like an anti-Semite hick. Asshole.

I'd also be fine with Cooper. In that order.

Considering how stupid Democrats are to get behind a candidate like Kamala that 75% of the country thinks she's a dork (even Black voters don't care much for her), I wouldn't be surprised if they picked another woman or Beto O'Rourke to complete the idiot ticket and hand the elections over to the Orange Menace without a hitch.

i don't think the county will go for it, nor for pete.

not good moves.

simple

R377 I'd be OK with Cheney and Adam Kinzinger getting some kind of role in a Harris administration.

[quote]I'd love to see her meet with Nikki Haley and Mitt Romney, too.

I’d like to see her ask Nimrata if she’s embarrassed to have licked Trump’s asshole on live TV.

R383 thinks in her infinite wisdom that Biden, who was told by his personal polling team that any path to defeating Dump was "gone" (to quote them, as reported in the Times) and that there was the very real danger that Democrats would lose both houses of Congress, that we were better with Biden--even though Harris was polling slightly higher against Dump than Biden in four different polls.

R383=braintrust. and the fact that Miss R383 uses the word "dork" makes her sound like a MAGAt troll. At any rate, FF to you, CUNT.

[quote] (even Black voters don't care much for her)

R383 is lying through her teeth. Black women raised many, many millions of dollars for Harris on Sunday night alone.

[quote]Todd sees Cheney getting a role in a Harris administration.

No. Cheney’s whole schtick was preventing Trump from being elected. Once Kamala wins, there’s no role for Cheney. She’s a hard-core conservative, anti-choice, pro-gun, pro-Bible right wing nut job. Kamala needs to tell her to get lost.

We're going to see a lot of cunt trolls like R383 on DL threads until Election Day--or not see them, meaning BLOCK.

Kelly has accomplished a lot without family connections and Arizona is a swing state, but Beshear has more political experience and is, I think, the better speaker. On balance, I'd bet they'll pick Kelly; either of them will bring some great assets to the campaign.

I'm not interested at all in any faux-concern trolls like R383. They're liars about their true intentions here. Blocked.

Anyone else who continues to drag Harris and say Biden was our only chance against Biden will also be blocked. Life is too short, even on DL, to put up with these cunts. We'll win the election or lose it, but we're going forward with a 20-year-younger, tough-as-nails prosecutor who knows exactly what to say and how to say it.

And saving either or both houses of Congress is also crucial, going forward. I loved Biden and think he did a great job saving the country from Dump, but I did not want to see him then tarnish his legacy and lose to that fucking traitor. Better to run Harris and possibly lose than the indignity of seeing Joe lose to Cheetolini.

I think she needs to move fast on this. The sooner they have a solid team and a positive message the better. Time is running out.

*say Biden was our only chance against Dump

"I'd love to see her meet with Nikki Haley..."

After that bitch endorsed Turd at the convention? Let him be the stank she can never wash off.

WHY would anyone want to see her meet with that idiot Nikki Haley?

They are vetting the top 2/3 candidates as we speak. They also shouldn't move so quickly that they choose someone who ends being a liability. I am sure Shapiro is a great guy, but if there is anything that causes the Free Palestine bunch to get their panties in a bunch and refuse to vote, better to find out before it's too late.

That's why they're vetting him and all of them, r397.

That's what vetting means. Figuring out who they are and how they come c=across. Kamala should take the time she needs.

Cheney can do something in regards to election integrity or rooting out domestic terrorists and insurrectionists. A role can be found for her. Amash can be our diplomat to Palestine.

How did they fuck up vetting Sara Palin? She did have great media presence, but when you scratched the surface she was a hillbilly idiot. One of the OG maga (tea-party)

[quote] Enough with this bullshit that Shapiro being Jewish is a liability.

How on earth would he get past the antisemitic, pro-Palestinian wing of the party? That’s not a minor hurdle.

Because it isn't a "wing" of the party, you hyperbolic bitch, R401.

[quote]How on earth would he get past the antisemitic, pro-Palestinian wing of the party? That’s not a minor hurdle.

That segment of the party is a small fringe of lunatics. If they stay home, the moderates and independents Shapiro will pick up will far outnumber those terrorist-sympathizers.

Biden picked a Senator and won

Trump picked a Governor and won then ran again with the Governor and lost

Hillary picked a Senator and lost

Obama picked a Senator and won twice

Romney picked a congressman and lost

man I am going to need John Meacham, Michael Beschloss and Doris Kearns Goodwin to figure out a pattern here.

Adam Kinzinger

I'm gonna say it again: We are now in uncharted territory (thank you, Dump & MAGATs) and recent history has no bearing on what's to come. First of all, there's a BIPOC woman running for President against a convicted felon, rapist and outright liar.

Life has radically changed, and it makes no difference what happened 10, 20, 30 years ago. There's no real comparison. It's about as relevant as Martin van Buren's 1837 bid for the Presidency.

She’s needs to pick who can best get her to 270 electoral votes. And that’s Josh Shapiro.

Agree r406

If you could image a prediction, what do you think will happen?

Beyoncé

It's been over 60 years since a vice presidential choice helped to win his or her home state, so that should probably not be the deciding factor in any pick.

R410, Shapiro has an excellent chance of winning Pa for Harris. He's very popular and was elected in a landslide.

What SHOULD be the deciding factor?

R411, as a inveterate political junkie, I love this regular parlor game more than most, but there's little empirical evidence that people vote on the basis of the vice presidential candidate.

Cory Booker? Joaquin Castro? Really, op? Really?

That’s bottom of the barrel shit.

Pete B is on CNN right now with Kaitlan Collins, touting Kamala and proxying for her like hell. Not in the Veep sweepstakes, but certainly out to grab some limelight for himself this week. He's been everywhere.

Ron Brownstein, who, as he surveys the Blue Wall states, doesn't exactly paint the rosiest prospects for a Harris win, is urging Whitmer, but thinks it'll come down to Shapiro or Kelly. He thinks Shapiro makes more sense because Harris needs more help in winning Pennsylvania than she does in taking Arizona.

Chasten is really pushing Pete to get out there and campaign for Kamala, and to secure a cushy job in her administration. He's not about to move back to tacky Indiana now that he's tasted the good life. Chasten wants a big house in McClean, VA with a pool and close proximity to an equestrian club.

The Buttiegiegs wouldn't be moving back to Indiana, R416. Michigan is their home base now.

One of my favorite photos was Chasten and Doug Enhoff together during the 2000 election. They are all good friends.

I think we need to think beyond the election to consider what kinds of strengths a VP will bring. For Obama, it was obvious what Biden brought to the table. His vast experience and knowledge of Congress, especially the Senate, and his understanding of government, in terms of the process and how things get done. Obama was a one term Senator with limited foreign policy experience. Joe knew foreign policy inside out t oo.

For Kamala, I think she will need help with Congress. It is one thing to list all the things you want to do. But getting them done will be no easy task. JFK would have been lost without LBJ. OBama would have been lost without Joe Biden. Jimmy Carter was pretty much a disaster with Congress and things would have been much worse without the very likeable, very experienced Walter Mondale. Gore was a huge help to Bill Clinton.

So who does Kamala choose who can really help with that? Mitch Landrieu. He's already on Biden's WH staff. Whether she chooses him for VP or not, I hope he decides to stick around. She'd be a fool to let him go. I think Pete needs to be part of her administration, too. And She needs someone great at Treasury. Yellen has been very effective. An Environmentalist like Jay Inslee at Interior. A real advocate who is knowledgeable and creative in Housing, and her HHS person better be prepared to expand Medicare. I hope Blinken sticks around for at least another year or two to transition to a new SoS, and she needs someone better than we have now for Defense and CIA. Maybe appoint Joe U.S. ambassador to Ireland?

"That's what vetting means."

They vetted me. It was incredible. They said they'd never seen someone pass with such flying colors. Everyone said so. I did nothing wrong.

R414, Pete has been out on all of those shows because he’s one of the best communicators the Democrats have and seems to be one of the few who doesn’t mind doing it with less than friendly outlets.

R415, I don’t know really how much weight to give a conservative leaning journalist’s comments conservative group’s new site about traditionally blue states. A horse race is good for them, if Dems thinks they can actually win it they might stop giving these poloticos without a party money.

[quote]Maybe appoint Joe U.S. ambassador to Ireland?

I wasn't around to post over the weekend with all the news, but I could definitely see a continued, limited role for Joe in a future Harris Administration, perhaps in foreign policy issues where he excels and has tons of experience. An Ambassadorship, if he's up to it, or Special Envoy status to help out in specific global hot spots.

[quote] Chasten wants a big house in McClean, VA with a pool and close proximity to an equestrian club.

r416 If any of that was true, he would be pushing for Pete to get out of politics and get a better paying job. Government work doesn't pay that well unless you are getting gold bars from foreign lobbyists.

Minnesota Gov Tim Walz was on MSNBC, nothing to look at but he was good at delivering the message. He wasn't on my radar but they said he was being vetted for VP.

[quote] I could definitely see a continued, limited role for Joe in a future Harris Administration, perhaps in foreign policy issues where he excels and has tons of experience. An Ambassadorship, if he's up to it, or Special Envoy status to help out in specific global hot spots.

If he were a horse, he’d already be at the glue factory. Let the man live out the remainder of his twilight years at the beach.

[quote] I don’t know really how much weight to give a conservative leaning journalist’s comments

I don't know with whom you're confusing Ron Brownstein, but he is a longtime liberal/anti-Trump commentator. And he makes a very good point about Harris's difficulties with older whites &, most particularly, the blue collar whites who are heavily represented in the Blue Wall states. Biden did 5% better than Clinton and that was dispositive.

Brownstein noted that Harris will be more competitive than was Biden 2024 in the Sunbelt swing states (Georgia, Arizona & Nevada) He questions, though, whether she can bring them back into play because the hole Biden left behind is pretty substantial. If Harris can't win Georgia, or Arizona & Nevada, she is, he said, in the same place as Biden in needing to sweep the Blue Wall states (& Nebraska-2). But, he added, these states are not built as much for her demographic strengths.

He talks about how Harris can replace Wisconsin (90% white, 55%-60% non-college educated) with Arizona (definitely the best of her options among the Sunbelt states). And how she can replace Michigan (80% white) with Arizona & Nevada. If she loses Pennsylvania (80% white) she'll need to take Georgia & Arizona or Georgia & Nevada. For Harris to keep these Blue Wall states, she will need to squeeze out bigger Black turnout & votes (along with that of white collar whites & younger voters).

I would trust Pete the most to take over as POTUS.

I live in Arizona, and Mark Kelly would be very good on the ticket. He’s a white man (will draw in people who don’t quite trust a woman in the big job), a Navy fighter pilot, and a freaking astronaut. Due to the assassination attempt on his wife he can speak quite eloquently on gun issues. He is a senator in a border state who is very popular with Latinos, a group that has been drifting away from the Dems. And Arizona is a swing state that he can bring home for the ticket. And the Arizona constitution says that if a Senator leaves office before his/her term is complete a member of that Senator’s,party must be appointed as a replacement.

A moot point about a Kelly replacement, R 428, as the Arizona governor is a Democrat.

R426, I was not familiar with him but his Long association with The LA Times, a historically conservative leaning outlet, made me think that he’s likely not the most liberal guy in the world. Maybe I’m wrong, and maybe he’s like James Carville who is happily married to a conservative political operative, but the Bulwark is certainly a conservative news outfit, anti-Trump or not.

[quote]Gen X will vote Trump if there’s not an Xer on this ticket.

Bullshit. Most of us just want her to win, regardless of who she picks.

[quote]even Black voters don't care much for her

You seem to be the only one who didn't hear about the Zoom of 40,000 black women who raised 1.5 million in just a few minutes.

[quote] You seem to be the only one who didn't hear about the Zoom of 40,000 black women who raised 1.5 million in just a few minutes.

And black men raised even more for her on a following zoom call. The myth about black people not supporting Harris is complete bullshit.

I don't want Mark Kelly.He's not attractive. He's bald. He looks like an alien, and not the earthling kind. And he has funny looking ears. He looks old too. Like 80 He isher Tim Kaine. You watch.It will seem like a good idea at the time.OTOH< If I were Dougie, I'd feel better about Kamala spending a lot oft ime with Mark instead of Andy.But the best possible choice IMO is Whitmer.

"Beshear was asked to submit vetting materials to the Harris campaign, ABC News reported Tuesday. The report stated Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly, and Govs. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Roy Cooper of North Carolina were also asked to submit." These are the 4 I have been seeing being floated since Sunday.

Governor Roy Cooper of North Carolina or Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania.

Kamala did not do well with Blacks in the 2020 primaries, but she was still a relative unknown and it was a crowded field led by the Obama’s VP. Being a former prosecutor as the BLM movement was gaining steam didn’t help either.

She’s spent the last four years, among other things, doing outreach to the Black community and strengthening her ties to the Black Greek system through her membership in AKA which has helped immensely with her favorability ratings in the Black community.

R437, was the BLM movement gaining steam by the end of 2019, when Harris suspended her campaign, before any votes were cast? And the early votes then were in lily white Iowa & NH.

It will be Beshear.

He has Midwest/South appeal the others don't.

We've gotta have the Vance/Beshear hick vs. hick VP debate to really convince swing voters why they should vote Democratic/progressive — that "family values" don't mean the Handmaid's Tale and turning the clock back to the 1920s.

She should announce at the convention, Draw it out to keep the interest on Dems and keep Trump off balance.

She’s nuts not to pick Beshear. He comes from a very popular political family in the Bluegrass state, and it’s like he was made in a lab for this moment. He’s used to dealing directly with a very hostile opposition and winning against the grain of his state.

Most importantly he is young. Read the room. That’s what people are screaming for. I really like Roy Cooper, but his age is a factor. If they win two terms, he will be 75 when it’s ’his turn’, and we’ll be right back with the same issue.

Kentucky is unique in that’s it’s a Midwest/Southern blend as mentioned by R439. He can appeal to two Red regions simultaneously. Louisville has more in common historically and culturally with Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and St Louis than it does with Atlanta.

Andy is right there Kamala, snatch him up!

I do find it telling that Cooper and Shapiro are the only ones not feeling the need to be all over tv.

Cooper is almost 70, and can't leave NC (often) because of the nut job Lt. Gov, no?

R438, BLM was started in 2013 after the acquittal of George Zimmerman and gained momentum resulting in hundreds and hundreds of protests across the U.S. leading up to the nationwide mass protests in the summer of 2020. It was already such a large movement by 2017 that four of the most famous athletes in the country: Lebron James, Chris Paul, Dewayne Wade, and Carmelo Anthony opened the ESPY awards, the Oscars of sports, with a BLM message. By the end of 2019 the NFL had just finished dealing with the players who kneeled during the National anthem and Colin Kaepernick had just settled his suit against the NFL for collusion.

In short, yes the BLM movement was nearing its zenith right around the time Kamala was seeking the 2020 Democratic nomination.

[quote]Pete B is on CNN right now with Kaitlan Collins, touting Kamala and proxying for her like hell. Not in the Veep sweepstakes, but certainly out to grab some limelight for himself this week. He's been everywhere.

Buttogieg is angling for another Cabinet position like he has now. That’s as far as he’s going to make it in politics. He can’t win a statewide election and certainly not a national one. Appointed positions will be his career.

[quote]I wasn't around to post over the weekend with all the news, but I could definitely see a continued, limited role for Joe in a future Harris Administration, perhaps in foreign policy issues where he excels and has tons of experience. An Ambassadorship, if he's up to it, or Special Envoy status to help out in specific global hot spots.

If she were smart, she’d never mention Biden, Obama, or Clinton again after she wins the election. People want to move forward, not backward.

[quote]For Kamala, I think she will need help with Congress.

She doesn’t need help with Congress. She was a Senator.

Her VP needs to be a Governor, a younger one, who can be easily teed up to become the Presidential candidate in 8 years.

[quote] She doesn’t need help with Congress. She was a Senator.

She was only there 4 years, a good part of that plotting & running for president, & then vice president. She wasn't known there for being particularly collegial.

now we know why shapiro had not been doing interviews.

kelly and cooper.

and for what it's worth, i don't think cooper cares about being president. shit, i bet he comes back to nc every chance he can.

I sincerely hope Whitmer will reconsider. I think Andy Beshear and Gretchen Whitmer are the two strongest candidates. Although if Whitmer were on the ticket the media would keep trying to start a girl fight drawing comparisons Josh Shapiro is great. But he hasalmost too much energy. And so what if he handles the Palestinian question OK in PA. If he goes national the Republicans and the media will tear him to shreds. It will distract. We cannot have distractions. Leave Cooper where he is. I agree. No old men.

[Quote]now we know why shapiro had not been doing interviews.

Context?

This was no secret, R449.

not on tv?

[quote] If they win two terms, he will be 75 when it’s ’his turn’, and we’ll be right back with the same issue.

R441, not all VPs run for President, or even serve two terms. In spite of being a hugely successful politician, never losing a race in his career, he has always said he’s not interested in being President and I believe him. That said, he is at heart a public servant and will take any role Harris thinks she’s needs him for. He is, of all of the suggested picks, the only one who has proven ability to outperform Trump in a reddest of purples state.

R443, what you mention has been brought up here in N.C. but because the legislature is adjourned, and couldn’t generate new bills even if it was, Cooper won’t be needed to veto any legislation. The N.C. Governor is otherwise a relatively weak executive and other than issuing non-binding proclamations the Lt. Governor wouldn’t be able to wreak any havoc as acting Governor while Cooper was out of the state. This was illustrated recently when Cooper traveled to Japan to meet with Abe and all he was able to do was issue a proclamation stating support for Israel in its war against Hamas.

The New Republic has a column today saying that Shapiro is the one VP pick who could ruin Democratic unity.

In the end, people vote for the presidential candidate, not the vice-presidential candidate.

That's been said and said, R456. But choosing a VP from a crucial swing state who is popular in their state CAN ONLY HELP.

Can we put that to rest now?

no, this will be like the folks on here recasting follies or dreamgirls.

blah, blah blah...

[quote] But choosing a VP from a crucial swing state who is popular in their state CAN ONLY HELP.

You're right. Gore lost NC in 2000 by 12.83%; Kerry, with Tar Heel Senator John Edwards as his running mate, whittled that loss down to 12.44%.

The knives are out for Shapiro.

Meh, R460. How much of a voting bloc do you think the far left consists of? And also--Mediaite?

A friend claims it will be Walz from Minnesota. She got the intel from “an insider” but then did the shrug emoji, so take it with a truckload of salt.

R461, you must not hang out in Gen Z spaces - TikTok, Reddit...they are obsessed with Palestine.

I also think Shapiro might be a little too nerdy for the Joe Sixpack types. I think Mark Kelly has more broad appeal.

Shapiro's stance on Israel helps him in PA, but hurts him in Michigan.

No, I don't even have accounts with any of those sites, R463. And they are a fringe minority of voters.

"Oh, gee--a Jew (who never even sided with Netanyahu) is going to be the VP? Well, then, I won't vote!"

Meh. They're fringe and we should know better than to give a flying fuck about them.

[quote] In a screed for The New Republic, David Klion complained that “Shapiro stands out among the current field of potential running mates as being egregiously bad on Palestine,” and “is an observant Jew with personal ties to Israel.”

I and others told you so, that the Jew-hating faction of the Democratic Party is large enough to block Shapiro.

[quote] Shapiro's stance on Israel helps him in PA, but hurts him in Michigan.

The antisemitic protests against Jews and Israel have been across the country and not limited to one state.

SCOOP: CBS News has learned that the Harris campaign is considering approximately 12 individuals for her VP pick – a larger number than previously reported.

The list includes: -Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro -North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper -Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear -Minnesota Governor Tim Walz -Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker -Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer -Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg -Arizona Senator Mark Kelly -Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo

The Harris campaign is also looking at individuals who do not currently hold elected office, according to our source.

It's not time to take any chances. Go with Cooper (my favorite because of those 14 electoral votes), Kelly (9 ev's), Beshear, or Walz.

R138 Look how well that turned out for Hilary. I can’t believe Trump is getting elected into office twice with the help of a WOMAN. Fuck this shit.

[quote] The Harris campaign is also looking at individuals who do not currently hold elected office, according to our source.

That's interesting.

I feel like Cooper is a better fit for Attorney General than VP.

Who could she be talking to that isn't currently in office? Any guesses?

R470 cunt blocked. Not tolerating that kind of bullshit.

Al Franken!!

I feel like they're just throwing that number out there so that people don't think it's down to two or three people.

George Clooney?

[quote] CBS News has learned that the Harris campaign is considering approximately 12 individuals for her VP pick – a larger number than previously reported.

That’s way too many to start with. It’s not like picking out all the possible outfits to take on a cruise.

I don't think she's seriously considering all twelve to be her running mate, R478. The Harris campaign probably knows it's down to the three or four top choices, but there's no harm in vetting some lesser choices anyway, since they might make good cabinet picks in a few months and will already be cleared.

I think the twelve are being sorta vetted and organized as "surrogates" on the campaign trail. I think the two off-the-charts pics who are not currently elected are Gina Raimondo, Sec of Commerce and Stanley McChrystal, the Heap Big General, whom Obama canned when he talked smack about Biden.

Raimondo is very interesting. And if the Harris campaign really wants to shake things up and defy the usual wisdom, Raidmondo and "two women" could get her the Oscar. Raimondo is very, very impressive.

Unlikely to happen, but if the internal numbers still look like it's a lock for Trump, then why not swing for the fences.

[quote]The Harris campaign is also looking at individuals who do not currently hold elected office, according to our source.

Mark Cuban is rumored to be one of those.

She should run with the person with whom she feels most comfortable in the end.

If two women are considered, it should be Gretchen Whitmer and the 15 EVs.

If she picks a woman, then it will be Whitmer because of Michigan's electoral votes and her higher profile. Don't pay attention to what Whitmer said about not wanting it. If she's offered the job, then she will most likely accept.

Antisemitism trumps misogyny in the USA.

[quote] If two women are considered, it should be Gretchen Whitmer

I assume they are both post-menopausal, so lady problems won’t be an issue with their ability to serve. Harris will never be an old scold or harridan, but I worry that Whitmer may be a bit of shrew. That could be an issue,

I like Mark Cuban as a person, but can we please not do the businessman/reality star thing again, for the love of Vivian Vance!

Shapiro will lose the youth vote, and there will be pro-Palestine protests against him at rallies. That's the last thing we need right now. We desperately need the youth vote right now. I think Shapiro is fading fast, especially because Netanyahu's speech to Congress today has reignited the whole conflict again. Ugh. He was my favorite, but I don't know now. Kelly and Whitmer are now the favorites.

It won't be Kelly because we need that Senate seat in Arizona. And while AZ has a Dem governor, I don't put it past the MAGAts there to pull some type of legal shenanigans to take that seat.

It won't be Whitmer, as they will consider it too risky for two women to be on the ticket.

It will be Beshear. He's the safest choice and has that wholesome image that many find appealing among middle-class and working-class whites.

She should pick Conor Lamb from PA.

He's young, he's tall, he's hot.

[quote] Kelly and Whitmer are now the favorites.

The problem with Kelly is that he’s been in space and we may never know what happens up there.

I love r487

Thing about anti-semitism is that First Gentleman is Jewish!

R461, the Mediaite article quotes from the TNR anti-Shapiro screed note upthread.

[quote]Who could she be talking to that isn't currently in office? Any guesses?

Taylor Swift.

[quote]Shapiro will lose the youth vote, and there will be pro-Palestine protests against him at rallies. That's the last thing we need right now. We desperately need the youth vote right now

Chasing the youth vote is a terribly stupid idea. They are unreliable voters and have a poor understanding of the issues. Throwing away Pennsylvania's electoral votes which Shapiro will deliver to appease some terrorist sympathizers who aren't going to show up on Election Day anyway is very foolish.

Maybe she is gonna ask Jill Biden....Oops!I mean DOCTOR Jill Biden.

[quote] Raimondo is very, very impressive.

Agreed!

Asshole at r497

And your doctorate is in which field of study, R497?

R497 is Doctoress of Cuntology, of course.

Beshear Beshear Beshear

Will someone please tell me why he's not the OBVIOUS first choice? He literally clicks all the boxes and will definitely ignite young voters (even if it's only because they don't know any better).

This is the first time I've heard Tim Walz speak, and I'm kinda blown away. He such an articulate and charismatic speaker--more so than any of the other VP candidates. I wish he were younger and better looking.

He would guarantee that we win MN, and he could help in Wisconsin and Michigan, too.

[quote] [Walz] would guarantee that we win MN

If Minnesota is at all in doubt, katy bar the door.

Actually, Walz's looks are perfectly presentable in that r503 clip.

that's like some old english shit.

Pete certainly has the intelligence, personality, class and diplomatic traits necessary for the job. I just worry that the country is not ready for a gay in the position. Or that gay + bi-racial + female is too much too soon. Which is sad. But the fact that we are even discussing such things shows how far we've already come.

[quote] Who could she be talking to that isn't currently in office? Any guesses?

Eva Marie Saint.

[quote] Who could she be talking to that isn't currently in office? Any guesses?

Remind me of the general whose name has been bandied about?

I agree, R482, which is why my money is on Cooper. They’ve been friends since before Kamala was in the Senate and have campaigned together a lot.

While you can postulate about the suitability of Bashear because of his age and suitability to run for President and after two Harris terms, I think that’s getting a bit to far over your skis.

Cooper is the only one of the suggested picks who has a proven track record of outperforming Trump on the same ballot, twice. And while Bashear almost certainly can’t deliver KY, Cooper’s average outperformance over Trump is more than enough to swing N.C. to the blue column if Harris can get as many votes as Biden did in 2020 in N.C.

[quote] And your doctorate is in which field of study, [R497]?

My guess is it's not trolling since he's not particularly good at that.

Poor forgotten Tim Kaine. Sweet man and good Senator fighting for reelection right now.

But choosing him as VP was one of Hillary's blunders. He did not come off well against the polished, icy closet-case Pence. And came off as soft, and yes, very gay to the straight male voters he was supposed to attract.

He's lost a ton of weight and looks much better and healthier now.

I would totally suck him off. I love furry Irish daddybears,.

Gen. William McRaven

R512 couldn’t agree more

I’ve said this many times on DL, when I saw the debate he had with Pence, I knew Hillary would lose.

Felt it in my bones.

I can barely remember Tim Kaine on the campaign trail. Nice guy though.

He seemed nice and meek, too non-confrontational.

David Axelrod & Mike Murphy, on their pod, have it down to their Big 3: Shapiro, Kelly & Buttigieg. Axelrod, btw, makes Trump the heavy favorite to win,

[quote] David Axelrod & Mike Murphy, on their pod, have it down to their Big 3: Shapiro, Kelly & Buttigieg.

Which really means just Shapiro and Kelly, same as the consensus on DL.

Axelrod being a Kamala skeptic tracks with there being rumors of underlying drama between the Bidens and Obamas as well as the fact that Obama hasn’t yet endorsed Harris.

Listening to a slew of podcasts as I have, R519, I’ve heard a number of similarly situated Trump-hating pols & pundits who are not exactly bullish on her Electoral College chances.

Shapiro and Kelly are the only choices that make sense.

Axelrod has basically been a Republican since Obama left office. I can't remember the last time I heard him say a good word about Democrats or their political chances,, even though Democrats have won almost every election since 2016. He thought there would be a blue wave in 2022. He's been wrong about everything, like most of the CNN pundits.

she should pick either (a) Hannibal Lecter, (b) Charles Manson or (c) Gacey... either of them would work quite well!! do you guys agree? 😂

[quote] she should pick either (a) Hannibal Lecter, (b) Charles Manson or (c) Gacey... either of them would work quite well!! do you guys agree? 😂

It’s bad form to laugh at your own “jokes”.

The Space Cadet will pick The Astronaut.

I'm sorry. But IMO the Extreme Right isj ust waiting for her to choose Shapiro of PA. They can resurrect all the hateful Palestinian rhetoric and target him, and make sure there are disruptive demonstrations several times a week. Bought and paid for courtesy of Vladimir Putin. They will use the nomination to be as disruptive as possible. It doesn't matter how effective Shapiro is or how well he does in PA. He will not do well in Michigan, Ohio, or Wisconsin, and forget about Georgia. The other thing to consider is, do we want to spend all our time on Shapiro being JEwish, and the Israel/Palestine conflict, or do we want to talk about the policies and programs that win for us? And IMO, again, Mark Kelly is her Tim Kaine. He seems like a good idea right now, but, no.

R524 = MAGA keeps field testing their talking points. They are having difficulty.

r521 and r525, just curious.....why no mention of Andy Beshear?

I don't want to go through over 500 replies, but she could actually nominate Obama for vice president, if someone hasn't mentioned it before.

R528, it’s not been decided by the courts but all signs point to yes, possibly.

It’s a moot point because no former President would sully their legacy by doing such a thing as accepting the VP nomination, even if it’s likely legal.

I saw that Tim Walz lost the glasses. He's wants the VP job.

I love how competitive the VP race has gotten.

No old people.

Walz is going for an Ed Asner kinda vibe and I'm all for it. I'd be happy if he's the pick.

Walz is 60. How old is too old?

According to a few rabid fanboys in this thread, R533, anything older than 46 like Andy Beshear.

R525 here. My choices would be Andy Beshears or Gretchen Whitmer.

The VP must be Gen X

Why, r536? Kamala is a boomer.

[quote] Shapiro and Kelly are the only choices that make sense.

Shapiro is out of the running. Sexual harassment and Israel. No go.

PITTSBURGH — Republicans increasingly see one of the Democrats under consideration to be Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate as the most likely to offer her a boost and make their efforts trickier: Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro.

These Republicans say that Shapiro, a first-term governor of a critical swing state, is someone who could help broaden Harris’ appeal with independent voters and traditional Democrats who are drifting away from the party, and help win over his home state — the most pivotal battleground on the presidential map, in their view.

In Shapiro, they see a governor who not only won in a 2022 landslide over state Sen. Doug Mastriano but is well regarded as an effective campaigner and messenger who has not totally alienated Pennsylvania Republicans in the process.

“I just think Shapiro is super strong,” one ally of former President Donald Trump said. “And Republicans should be concerned about it. If I were her, that would be the pick.”

This person added that Shapiro has avoided blistering attacks from Republican counterparts “because he’s actually pretty moderate,” adding that the governor, an observant Jew, could speak to disaffected voters of faith who years ago voted for Democrats but now feel detached from the party — and might even be a stronger candidate than Harris.

“Shapiro creates a super interesting dynamic,” this person added.

A second Trump ally said that while they did not view Shapiro as a moderate, they saw his “really nonthreatening” persona as having boosted his credibility with independents and Republicans. This person added that Shapiro is “the one that does the most to help her.”

Shapiro is the best pick by far in terms of winning the Rust Belt states.

r537 She's actually Gen X, which I believe began with those born '64-'65 or later. She was born in late 1964, I'd put her at the very beginning of Gen X - she seems like she fits into that group more than the Boomers.

Shapiro is a great campaigner. He's smart, quick-witted, handsome, commanding, very charming. Which also works against him. Kamala should be the only star. Shapiro would make a great candidate for President, but his talents would be wasted as VP. And we need him to stay in Pennsylvania. Any votes he could deliver on the ticket he can still deliver staying right where he is.

Mark Kelly is stable, predictable, kind of bland. He's married to a well-known victim of gun violence, he's got that astronaut thing going for him, (I happen to love his blue eyes!). He'd be a better VP than Shapiro (who would make a better POTUS).

There is a difference.

My 1st choice had been Shapiro. After some thought, I'd now go with Kelly.

Everybody is so over the pro-Palestine protestors that I think Shapiro's chances just rose again. The public has had enough after the horrible protests in DC this week.

Kelly would also drive Putin crazy. He is a major advocate for Ukraine and helped Ukraine get F-16s (he even helped train the pilots!) I don't think he is bland at all, just maybe not the most eloquent speaker.

Beshear won't be picked because he's unknown outside of Kentucky. They already have to reintroduce Kamala to the country in just a few months, so they don't time to also introduce a running mate to the country, too. And he adds nothing electorally to the ticket. Beshear is not going to happen.

R536: yeah, why?

Well ACTUALLY R541, and I swear I’m not really one of those well actually people, Scouts’ honor, she’s at the tail end of the demi-cohort called Generation Jones, sandwiched in the decade between the Boomers and the Xers, 1953 to 1964.

Born during the economic boom between the end of the Korean War and the start of the Vietnam War in earnest, the Joneses came of age during the shift of many jobs from manufacturing to service, stagflation, and the oil crisis to then start their adult lives as AIDS hit, inflation shot up, and interest rates were north of 12%.

While Cooper is my first choice, I’d be perfectly happy with Kelly. He’s just cosponsored a bill with Sen. Tom Tillis to reduce the price of blood plasma-based pharmaceutical products, so he’s get stuff done and doing it across the aisle. He also is able to confront the gun issue with little serious criticism because of his wife’s shooting combined with his military experience.

I don’t know if he’s doing a lot of media, like Bashear and a few others, or if he’s keeping his head down and his cards close to his chest like Cooper. I suspect the latter.

Speaking of Roy, he’s not doing a press tour but instead is campaigning around NC for Kamala, hopefully whipping up votes to flip the state.

[quote] "There are a lot of people that she can choose," Cooper said. "She's going to make the right choice. I just want her to choose the person that gets the best chance to win."

R557 Cooper is too old and runs counter to Kamala's campaign message of generational change.

Where the GOP choice of Vance shows that they're ready to mentor millennials and younger for leadership, choosing Boomer Cooper further shows that the Dems have zero interest in engaging the younger generations

[quote] It’s a moot point because no former President would sully their legacy by doing such a thing as accepting the VP nomination, even if it’s likely legal.

Then-former president Gerald Ford, albeit a never-elected president (or vice-president, for that matter), came very close to joining Reagan's ticket in '80.

[quote] Then-former president Gerald Ford, albeit a never-elected president (or vice-president, for that matter), came very close to joining Reagan's ticket in '80.

Listening to the proposal and politely asking questions on how the hell it would work didn’t make it “very close” to happening.

No, R541 & 547, Harris, born Oct. 20, 1964, is a (very late) boomer. The baby boom generation ran from Jan.1, 1946 through Dec. 31, 1964.

When I think of how a Walz or Shapiro could slice 'n dice Trump onstage... Just public humiliation.

Harris is actually Generation Jones.

I want a LEGIT Xer on this ticket, like age late-40s to mid-50s, max. Gen X is not going to be ignored.

[quote]I’ve said this many times on DL, when I saw the debate he had with Pence, I knew Hillary would lose. Felt it in my bones.

Yet, she still won the Popular Vote.

I we want to win this election she should go with Kelly. I like him and he'll definitely appeal to the swing state alpha crowd.

I think Beshear is the best bet. He has more executive experience and isn't old or weird looking like Mark Kelly.

Beshear would do fine. My concern is this. Do we want to allow the GOP to distract voters with t urbulence about Israel, and demonstrations for Palestine? Yes, they will instigate and finance expanded demonstrations. Or do we want to continue to build momentum on the future and kitchen table issues which we can win with. Because the GOP is really terrified we will talk about Projectv2025 and their record and their plans for the future. And compare that to our record and our plans for the future. All the talk about them being scared of Shapiro is a feint. Don't believe it. Do not let them trap her.Beshear or Whitmer are her winners. She needs to Midwest. And BeShear will do fine in the Midwest and in Georgia...... And he's adorable.

Meaningless R555

Why aren’t those kids protesting Dump’s Palestine position?

Are they dumb? He just said he’d let Netanyahoo do whatever the fuck he wants - including razing the whole place to the ground and supply the weapons to do it.

Do they not care about that? Or figure the thugs would ignore them anyway, so they just punish the very people who might be able to help them get what they want?

Srsly, they seem “special”.

Shapiro and Beshear's presidential plans are kind of screwed if Kamala wins. That means they would have to wait until 2032 to run for president. It's no secret that both of them have presidential ambitions. In 8 years, they will be older and less desirable, not to mention new shiny candidates will come along in the meantime. Being VP may be the closest that either one of them gets to the White House. I think that's why all the candidates are fighting so hard for the job.

Pete is the son-in-law white suburbanites wish they had. They loved him in IA and NH.

No one is really giving any reasons not to make Beshear first choice for VP. He's no more unknown to Americans than any of the competition.

I'd never even heard of Walz or Cooper before last week and I watch the news constantly. However, I was aware of Beshear because of his fierce and very public stance on abortion rights.

Sadly, Shapiro being Jewish is bad timing right now (and I'm Jewish). Having a Jewish First Gent will be quite enough for a lot of Americans.

Astronaut trumps Hebe.

Mark Halperin's been thinking it was Kelly, every day, all the way. Until today. He now thinks Shapiro is the favorite, with a mystery person - Buttigieg, he said - number two, and Kelly, number three. Since he mentioned this big shift in his thinking in the context of vetting issues, it appears there's something troubling in Kelly's background.

I remember when everyone thought Joe Biden would pick Whitmer, Warren, or Klobuchar as his vice president in 2020. Those were the three names thrown around the most in the media. Many here scoffed at the idea that Harris was under consideration and how Biden would lose if he picked her. Look how that turned out.

Politically speaking, Beshear is a young, attractive WASP who is massively popular in one of the reddest states in the union and makes the most sense out of all the names out there. And if he ran for president in 2032, he would only be in his mid-50s.

[quote] However, I was aware of Beshear because of his fierce and very public stance on abortion rights.

Same. I also became aware of Beshear because he stood up for the teacher's union in Kentucky. I live in Wisconsin, and many here are familiar with him. He would certainly help win Wisconsin for Harris.

Is Halperin a trustworthy person? He works for Newsmax...ew

Mark Halperin is a discredited sex pest who has ZERO credibility. I don't know why anyone here would quote him as some source of truth.

On Halperin:

[quote] The Washington Post's Dana Milbank called Halperin's analysis in the 2016 United States presidential campaign "soulless" and "amoral", citing several instances when Halperin praised Republican nominee Donald Trump. Milbank noted that Halperin had declared on Morning Joe in March 2016 that Trump was "one of the two most talented presidential candidates any of us have covered." Earlier, in January 2020, also on “Morning Joe,” Halperin said Trump’s attacks on the Clintons were “politically brilliant.” In June 2016, on his Bloomberg TV show, With All Due Respect, Milbank noted Halperin asserted that "it's not racial" for Trump to attempt to disqualify an Indiana-born federal judge as a "Mexican" because of his ancestry. His reason: "Mexico isn't a race."

Stop bringing up this bootlicking asshole as if he brings any value to this conversation.

The likes of Joe Scarborough, Eleanor Clift & Jill Abrahamson, the former executive editor of the NYT, are regulars on Halperin's daily calls.

I've always thought Halperin & Al Franken were two who got bad MeToo# raps. In Halperin's case, his offenses long proceeded the movement, he received treatment long before the movement & there was no evidence of recidivism. Along with his former writing partner, he was an acclaimed political analyst before he was exiled. He's not nearly as partisan as Heilemann, but he has some worthy insights.

Look. Everyone wanted to be Joe Biden's VP because he was old. But the reality has always been that almost any VP is best positioned,no matter if it's 4 years or 8. What counts is how successful the administration is. Joe is a huge success. So Kamala has that to boost her. And if she stays the course and follows the path Joe set for her,we will continue to grow.She will be tougher on somethings he waffled on and that's a good thing. She will also do things he was reluctant to do. She is just a bit to the left of him. The reason he put Court Reform on histo do list is because of her.he has been consistently reluctant to mess with it. That's one example. She will expand Medicare and at some point we will see Medicare and the ACA merge. And she will be tough on guns and the Environment. But the original point is that whoever she chooses will have national prominence because she chooses them. And Beshear is young enough that he can afford to wait. So is Shapiro and so is Whitmer.

Democrats can win the presidency without Arizona, but they can't win it without Pennsylvania. That's why Shapiro is the favorite. The violent and anti-semitic protests in DC yesterday also changed the dynamic. Kamala even issued a press release today to condemn the actions. By picking Shapiro, it helps Independent voters in swing states know that she's not some crazy liberal that is anti Israel. I think that's why Halperin is saying that Shapiro odds have gone up.

[quote] Everyone wanted to be Joe Biden's VP because he was old.

I was listening to Chuck Todd's podcast with his guest, NBC WH correspondent Mike Memoli, who's been in Bidenworld since he was an embed on the '08 campaign. They agreed that, but for the George Floyd murder, Gretchen Whitmer would have been Biden's pick in '20. Chuck Todd also said that, but for the Covid campaign restrictions, Biden, already significantly aging, would not have won that election. I also learned - if I hadn't just forgotten - how much opposition there was, especially from Plouffe, to keeping Biden on the ticket in '12. Ironically, the "prick" Axelrod opposed these efforts.

Starting at 1:01:40 of the Halperin link, I like the pushback the Trump voter gets when he smugly cited the NYT poll showing that Harris was winning only 63% of the Black voter and 57% of the Latino vote. Without missing a beat, Halperin says, "If that's true, she'll win the election ... 'cause if she's tied [in the poll] & only winning 63% of the Black vote, she's got a lotta room to grow there."

What I remember is that no sooner than Biden got the nom in 2020, he announced that he would choose a Black woman as his VP and several were vetted, not only Kamala. Val Demings and a few others whose names I'm forgetting....

Am I crazy? Did that not happen?

I want to work in the White House. Look at all that boyfriend/husband material in one place. What a joy it must be to go to work everyday surrounded by smart and ambitious men who share the same values as you. I want to be in that circle. So many of them are gay, too.

R575, Yes, that's correct. Susan Harris was another one of the potential candidates. I wonder if she's being considered by Kamala?

You mean, Susan Rice, R577, who was said to be, with, Harris, a co-finalist.

And wasn't there a Black congresswoman from California, first name maybe Karen....?

Bass, R579.

NOT Susan Rice. Michelle Obama

R575 and 577, it was not a pledge to choose a black woman as a running mate, it was a pledge to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. He mentioned that he had fulfilled that pledge as one of his administration’s accomplishments during his Oval Office speech last night.

[quote] it was not a pledge to choose a black woman as a running mate, it was a pledge to appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. He mentioned that he had fulfilled that pledge as one of his administration’s accomplishments during his Oval Office speech last night.

That's what I remembered. Harris was not the leading contender for vice president, especially when she ended her campaign before the primaries.

Yes, it was the fallout from the George Floyd murder that committed Biden to pick a Black running mate, after earlier promising a Black female SCOTUS appointment.

[quote] And Beshear is young enough that he can afford to wait. So is Shapiro and so is Whitmer.

No. Gen Xers do NOT have the affordability of time on their side.

And do you want to know why?

That's because Millennials are here, we're turning 40, we outnumber the Baby Boomers and every other living generation and we're not going to wait around until we're 60 to get a piece of that pie.

So they need to get to it. Because we're next and we're not get wait around forever for Baby Boomers to hand that baton. We will sooner steal that baton than wait around.

R584, Biden never committed to picking a particular race as his VP, he only committed to picking a woman. The idea that he committed to picking a black woman is a lie spread by the GOP in wedge-issue ads targeted at Latinos.

I thought after Clyburn/South Carolina/AA support saved Biden during the primaries, that it was sort of 'understood' that Biden owed them (the VP pick as well as the Supreme Court). And they'd feel betrayed otherwise. That's how I remember it anyway.

R587 perhaps there's another 90-year-old white man that Clyburn and South Carolina Dems would feel more comfortable with instead of Kamala?

Then take it up with the staff at factcheck.org, R587, who totally contradicted your recollection when they wrote the linked piece five days before Harris was announced at the VP pick.

There are people who trust Factcheck.org?

Can't wait to have the first asian american president!!!

This thread needs a part 2

R590, The Society of Professional Journalists, the country’s oldest and most respected organization representing journalists, obviously think they are trustworthy since they have recognized factcheck.org’s work with the SPJ’s highest award, twice.

There are people who trust the Society of Professional Journalists?

Beshear with his zingers and Kelly releasing a video where he's cosplaying as Tom Cruise in Top Gun... The girls are really doing everything to secure that VP spot. They're too thirsty, it's actually off-putting.

Whatever. It was eventually understood that Biden HAD to pick a Black woman. It’s why Klobuchar & Whitmer bowed out of consideration. And it’s why the remaining finalists were exclusively Black women.

R595 is Pete Buttigieg.

R572, it won't be a Jew. Those same anti-Israel protestors are part of the Democratic base (the squad's acolytes and Hamas dupes).

Mayor Pete leads DL's poll.

With all due respect, attitudes like yours are why this country, hell even the world, is in the state it’s in.

You express a unsubstantiated opinion, colored by propaganda and marketing, and when met with probable facts supported by expert analysis, you immediately dismiss it with a shrug and double down on an untrue version of history built on nothing more than feelings and supposition.

I don’t care what you believe, you can fool yourself all you like but you’re not going to try to fool me too without being called on it.

^directed to R596