CNN Poll of Polls: Trump would now win Electoral College

[quote] Donald Trump’s lead has maintained he’s now got a ten percentage point lead

Huh, OP? Trump's lead maintains he has a lead?

There are 528 electoral votes. Their math adds up to 497.

They have some states too close to call.

Oh, look, another Biden doomscrolling thread 🙄.

*538.

Hello, Op, it's with great joy in my heart that I say FF, delete and block this cumstain excuse for a piece of shit

Have a nice day 🙂

Bitch we been around the block a bit, we don't fall for shit trolls.

So it's 7am in Moscow. Guess the day shift starts early.

Up and at 'em, Yevgeny!

Another Poll Troll Thread, Yawwwwn.

The average datalounger thinks with their emotions. No matter what. Americans will see. Biden is going to likely win the popukat vote. He can’t convince white working class in Pennsylvania, Michigican, and Ohio. I lowkey think Virginia is going to go back red too.

CNN = Moscow

And Trumps poll numbers are going to go up once he picks his VP unless he picks an absolute maniac. That’s how it always happens. Now if the VP gaffes on questions, has a sordid back history the poll numbers will go down a bit but that’s how it always works. He is besting Biden without a VP. Yall need to understand how this political shit works.

[quote] Yall need to understand how this political shit works.

Thanks, y'all R12. Now fuck off, you condescending cunt.

R13. I don’t mean to come across as condescending. There is a lot on the line. I don’t want to relive 2016.

The election is lost. Just accept that Biden has destroyed everything, and then you can move on.

Mayor Pete, we need you here... we need you now.

I’ve been trying to tell you all but I got labeled Boris.

Your life must be so pathetically dismal, OP.

CNN is Russian trolls now?

I must have missed the memo!

Sounds like you did r19. Considering CNN is run by a guy who came from FOX.

I guess I did R20. CNN is as biased and unwatchable as Fox News anyway.

R6, R8

You have his base of true believers, but millions of these voters will deeply regret their Trump votes within weeks of his administration. They have no idea of what’s about to hit them, and that the looming changes can’t be undone. Unfortunately the Dems couldn’t get their act together in the last 4 years..

Sadly the Electoral College is all that matters

Many people will be unhappy with the second Trump administration. Unfortunately Joe Biden was so megalomaniacal he thought he could outrun God, and now here we are. More Americans now see Biden as worse than Trump, and the failure of the party establishment to rid itself of Biden in time will only result in the leftward insurgence analogous to the Tea Party among the Democrats, paving the way for Democratic Socialism in 2032.

Which I am not opposed to.

R21 You don't watch CNN. It's FAR from biased. They've ALWAYS given Biden shit, and if anything, it's gotten worse since the debate.

You tried it tho

I love how the Trumptards CANNOT wait for a political thread so they can try so desperately to convince us that Biden has caused Ragnarök.

𝐏𝐨𝐬𝐭-𝐃𝐞𝐛𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐒𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐏𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐔𝐩𝐝𝐚𝐭𝐞

The latest poll from Emerson College, conducted with 1,000 registered voters between June 30 and July 2, shows that Trump is performing as well as or better in every swing state compared to the previous Emerson College poll conducted before the debate from June 13 to June 18. In both polls, Trump leads in all the swing states surveyed: Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia.

In the latest poll, Trump led by four points, 46% to 42%, in Arizona;

one point, 45% to 44%, in Michigan;

and three points, 47% to 44%, in Wisconsin, matching his leads in the pre-debate Emerson poll.

His lead in Nevada increased from three points to six points, 47% to 41%, in the post-debate poll.

In Pennsylvania, his lead grew from two points to five points, 48% to 43%,

and in Georgia, his lead expanded from four points to five points, 47% to 42%.

The latest Emerson College poll was sponsored by Democrats for the Next Generation. A post-debate poll from Remington Research Group found similar results, placing Trump ahead in every swing state.

[quote] Many people will be unhappy with the second Trump administration.

In a poll earlier this year, 62% responded that they favor a “a new national program to deport all undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. illegally”. If Trump fails to carry through on sufficient measures to address illegal immigration, that 62%, a majority of the country, is going to be unhappy. That’s one example where he could piss off a lot of people.

R29 that makes no sense considering he can’t do anything until after he’s elected

I'm very worried we are in for a second Dump presidency. Things are not looking great right now.

[quote] The latest poll from Emerson College, conducted with 1,000 registered voters between June 30 and July 2

I’ll still be more interested in the polls conducted starting this week, which is after the holiday.

The thing that worries me about a second Trump presidency (well, one of many) is the structural changes made by right wingers who will take advantage of his limited intelligence and big ego, to change the country and as a consequence the world order to suit their weird world view. The greatest nation on earth bullshit, it may fascinate many to learn, doesn't just come with bragging rights, but with responsibilities, too. We see it already domestically in what they've managed to do with the Supreme Court. Trump didn't figure that out on his own. And the problem is the corporate Republicans who hand everything to Wall Street are no longer nearly as influential as the Steven Miller and Steve Bannon type Republicans.

The implications of a Trump presidency are likely to endure for a long time. Putin can pull a lot of shit in four years, as one example.

What the answer is, I don't know. Even if Biden's poll numbers haven't tanked, can you really ask the country to vote for an old man with his optics (and, in fairness his track record - though it doesn't seem to be carrying the day for him) just because Trump is so dangerous? Because human nature being what it is, will the people you need to believe he's dangerous actually believe it?

There is no good answer here but I worry Democrats are so focused on whether he can win the election that they aren't factoring in whether he can deliver four more years. 86 at the end? Tall order. I don't know. I loved the guy. When you folks were screaming for Pete and Warren in the last go round I was arguing Joe was the right guy for that moment. And he was. This guy, this moment... who fucking knows?

If Trump wins, he will be the most hated president of all time, all because people stayed home rather than vote for the incumbent. No one likes or respects Trump, except for MAGA morons. It will be like he won by default.

[quote] If Trump wins, he will be the most hated president of all time,

Read a history book sometime.

I wish people were not so short-sighted. Old Joe Biden, most likely, won't last out the full four years (though disliking Kamala is a whole other matter) but he's surrounded by competent advisors who take their jobs and the business of the nation seriously. Trump as a tool of the far right GOP and our enemies abroad is a forever wrecking ball to the country who'll be surrounded by sycophants and lunatics. I don't look forward to reliving those years, and 2.0 will be 100 times worse. The constant lying by himself and his press staff, Princess Ivanka inserting herself where she doesn't belong and the Oval Office presence of grifting pastors like Paula White in particular amongst 1000 other things I don't want to revisit. Ecstatic MAGA will be insufferable. Oh well. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

[quote] Old Joe Biden, most likely, won't last out the full four years (though disliking Kamala is a whole other matter) but he's surrounded by competent advisors who take their jobs and the business of the nation seriously.

🤣

[quote] Old Joe Biden, most likely, won't last out the full four years (though disliking Kamala is a whole other matter) but he's surrounded by competent advisors who take their jobs and the business of the nation seriously.

R36, for me, sums up the dilemma though. The argument is correct, as far as it goes.

But even at this point, that's the best the Democrats can offer?

It's not right. It's not to say vote for Trump, I'm not, but they have absolutely abandoned country before party if they're falling back on not as bad as the other guy. This is what it's come to.

Jon Stewart accuses Dems of effectively telling voters to ‘Get on board’ with Biden ‘or shut the f–k up’

[quoteIt's not to say vote for Trump, I'm not, but they have absolutely abandoned country before party if they're falling back on not as bad as the other guy.

Jesus Christ, r39, put *some* effort into it. I'm telling you, the trolls we're getting are the absolute dregs.

dammit.

[quote]It's not to say vote for Trump, I'm not, but they have absolutely abandoned country before party if they're falling back on not as bad as the other guy.

Jesus Christ, [R39], put *some* effort into it. I'm telling you, the trolls we're getting are the absolute dregs.

R42.

And like clockwork, r43 proves my point.

CNN is embarrassingly desperate. Nobody listens to them anymore. “But CNN is demanding Biden step down! Why isn’t anyone listening? Aren’t we the cable news leader? ….No?….. Aren’t we sort of listened to?…. No? ….Aren’t our opinions valued by….no? ….. Where did everybody go?”

A lot of people will be staying home in November.

Party at OP's!

Or skipping over President at the top of the ballot

Joe said he would only listen to the Lord telling him to drop out.

[quote]But even at this point, that's the best the Democrats can offer?

Competent government? Or do you think you're voting for American Idol?

Michelle will save us. Really. She will. I know it.

No, she won't. It's a total fantasy.

Michele Lee

[quote]Unfortunately Joe Biden was so megalomaniacal....will only result in the leftward insurgence analogous to the Tea Party among the Democrats, paving the way for Democratic Socialism in 2032. Which I am not opposed to.

R25 is smoking copious amounts of pot. You think if you take down Biden your socialist dream will occur after Trump? Good luck with that 😂🤣😂

[quote]Another Poll Troll Thread, Yawwwwn.

R9, I didn't post this thread. When I post a polling thread, I do it under my own handle.

[quote]Many people will be unhappy with the second Trump administration.

[quote]If Trump wins, he will be the most hated president of all time

R25 & R34, I agree. I've been wondering lately if we may see something similar to what happened in 2004-2008 with the 2nd term of George W. Bush. In 2004 Bush narrowly beat Kerry to win a 2nd term, but within a short period of time voters had regrets and Bush's numbers sank and never went back up. Democrats won a big victory in the 2006 Midterms and Obama won a huge victory in the 2008 Presidential Election.

If Trump wins in November 2024, he may sink the Republican Party in 2026 & 2028, just as George W. Bush did in his 2nd term.

Didnt Trump sink the Repug party already? I mean, has there ever been more defections in history?

What-the-fuck-ever.

The more I read these Biden doom threads, the more I realize how much of a concerted effort it is on the part of trolls with a very vested interest in controlling a narrative.

Yep, string up shit so American or Democrats fight among themselves is only a benefit to Putin and Russia.

Divide and Conquer: Page one of the Russian Troll Handbook

[quote]Bush narrowly beat Kerry to win a 2nd term, but within a short period of time voters had regrets and Bush's numbers sank and never went back up. Democrats won a big victory in the 2006 Midterms and Obama won a huge victory in the 2008 Presidential Election. If Trump wins in November 2024, he may sink the Republican Party in 2026 & 2028, just as George W. Bush did in his 2nd term.

The 2006 election was affected by the never-ending war in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina. In 2008, there was still the Iraq War, about which McCain stated we may have to stay there for another hundred years, plus the financial crisis. It looks like Trump would need to avoid a forever war, a badly managed natural disaster, and a mortgage meltdown.

R58, they're not exactly subtle either. Instead of one or two Biden doom threads, we get like 15-20 per day.

That's what's called an agenda being pushed.

[quote]Instead of one or two Biden doom threads, we get like 15-20 per day.

Almost as if it mirrored the number of story topics written in the news media the last week about Biden.

R61, no. I recognize a troll-brigade when I see one.

[quote]If Trump wins in November 2024, he may sink the Republican Party in 2026 & 2028, just as George W. Bush did in his 2nd term.

R55 - If Dump gets another presidency in 2025 - it really doesn't matter about 2028 (and whether the GOP are sunk) because the damage will have been done. A Dump presidency will change the entire direction of the country and the changes won't be able to be fixed for decades - if at all.

[quote] If Trump wins in November 2024, he may sink the Republican Party in 2026 & 2028, just as George W. Bush did in his 2nd term.

This is the new narrative from Bidenists - “It’s okay if Trump wins this year because he may repeat the mistakes of Bush twenty years ago!”

Never mind that Bush’s repudiation was tied to a war he promised he would win and could not, while no such war exists today

[bold]It does not matter if Trump does not have a good second term. He will replace two Supreme Court justices with far right justices who will guarantee a far right court for fifty years. He will ensure a Republican Senate until 2030.[/bold]

The Poll Troll, who is stupid as fuck, does also not realize that a loss in 2024 may also cause a schism within the Democratic Party and a delegitimization of the establishment like Obama’s win did to the Republicans in 2008, which resulted in the Tea Party. The insurgency would come from the far left instead of the far right and would result in the replacement of establishment Democrats with leftists who may not be able to win general elections.

Bidenists know this but they do not care. They only care about one thing - loyalty to leader.

For shit's sake get a grip R62. You're an hysterical, screeching wench. There are no more than 200 - 300 posters max. on Datalounge these days and nobody cares about trolling us here. Be smarter and think critically.

For what I can understand - and from looking at posting histories and what's generally being said in the media and social media - what we're reading here on DL is posts from disgruntled and worried Democratic supporters who want Biden to retire at the end of his presidency because he has over recent weeks, displayed an alarming array of symptoms demonstrating that he is too old and not sharp enough to win the race in November. It's not about his fantastic record, or what kind of man/President he has been (a great one) - it is about his obvious physical frailty and obvious mental acuity from today onwards. He's too old. He hasn't done anything wrong - he's just too old. To anyone under 55, Biden comes across as a very old grandpa type who means well but is barely present, is visibly not sharp and unable to clearly communicate a message = can't win a campaign. There's some kind of severe disconnect happening between the Dem party and the Dem politicians and the Dem voters at the moment.

And you'll be the first in line shrieking and grinding your false teeth how it was EVERYBODY ELSE'S FAULT in November when that lecherous slob Dump wins another term and destroys the country. You'll probably find a way to blame the very posters you're obsessed with calling trolls on DL for the Dump presidency too.

Go on - call me a troll...

Just ignore R62, he’s a freak.

It must be so frustrating to have nothing to argue except paranoid accusations of you're a troll.

Thanks for posting that R66. Hilarious. This is my favorite one:

[quote] For what I can understand - and from looking at posting histories and what's generally being said in the media and social media - what we're reading here on DL is posts from disgruntled and worried Democratic supporters who want Biden to retire at the end of his presidency because he has over recent weeks, displayed an alarming array of symptoms demonstrating that he is too old and not sharp enough to win the race in November.

You really think that's a fucking great idea? To pull an 11th Hour switcharoo?

Yeah, because that doesn't look fickle or desperate at all!

Not so fast Troll bots, New Poll BIDEN TIED with Trump.

Too bad NATO has already abandoned him.

NATO has NOT abandons him, stop spreading lies. That link does not even say that. Biden built up NATO while on his watch.

Only a Russian Troll would be trying to lie about this.

R72 only a Ukrainian troll would deny it.

[quote]NATO officials are both saddened at how Biden’s fortunes have turned and frustrated that the storyline has distracted from what was to be a celebratory summit. They are also increasingly resigned to his defeat this November, which they fear could halt or reverse the 32-member alliance’s recent momentum, threatening Ukraine’s ability to fend off Russia’s onslaught and the broader stability that has been the bedrock of the organization since its Cold War creation.

R69 yes, because this issue is only going to get worse. every time they wheel out biden, he is going to look like a senile doddering magoo. i think it's worth the risk to get a candidate who can say a full sentence.

"Increasingly resigned to his defeat" does not equal "abandoned him." If there was anything they could do to boost his election chances, they would.

What if they turn on him at the press conference? That would be fun.

No it would be stupid. Why would they turn on one of the biggest members?

Put down the Vodka Boris.

To get him to end his campaign because he is going to lose.

Yes, that would make sense. They want him to win his campaign but they'll turn on him because of some vague sense that he's going to lose.

I'm guessing logic wasn't your strong point in school.

R70, funny that you didn’t share three important points from your single poll. First, Biden is 46 to Trump’s 47. Second, two thirds want him to drop out. Third, Harris is 49 to 46.

"Donald Trump is considering a reduction in intelligence sharing with members of NATO, which depends on the U.S. for the type of information that has helped Ukraine fend off Russia, according to foreign officials informed of the plans.

Trump advisers have told allied countries the reduced intel sharing would be part of a broader plan to scale back U.S. support and cooperation with the 32-nation alliance, according to three European officials and a senior NATO official, who were granted anonymity to discuss internal discussions."

There will be books written about the tragic mistakes the Democrats made in the 2024 election. The only way Biden could win is a huge Anyone But Trump movement, where people would rather vote for a mannequin than Trump.

OP is DLs resident anti-Dem anti-Biden troll. Can’t see any of their posts because I’ve blocked them.

Actually, the blame should go on the millions of Trump voters. That is what history will say. They put him into power, it's not the opposition fault. That's like blaming people who resisted Hitler instead of the people who put him in power because of his rousing speeches.

If you blocked them you would not be able to see the thread on the main page

How stupid do you think people are?

R85, there is a lot of history on how the failures of the opposition led to Hitler. Tony Kushner wrote a play about it before he write Angels in America.

We are actually facing a similar situation. Trump is poised to take Congress and the White House, with untested power and coverages from the Supreme Court. Anyone with eyes can see Joe is not up to this.

R75, have you actually considered the nightmare logistics involved in pulling a switcheroo at this point?

I know you haven't -- because you give yourself away as an obvious troll -- but it would be an absolute bureaucratic nightmare and the deadline for undertaking such a ballot change is either nearing or it has already passed in some states.

If the plan was for Biden to be replaced, that conversation should've happened at least one year ago. It's too late now. Biden is who we have and Biden is who we're going to have to rally behind unless you want Project 2025.

[quote]there is a lot of history on how the failures of the opposition led to Hitler.

Yes, but the ultimate blame is still on the people who said YES to putting a dictator into power.

Lets be honest, even if Biden was 20 years younger with all his experience, charisma, compassion for the American people, or even if it was a different candidate, 1/2 of this country would still be voting for Trump.

1/2 of "Merica" is made up of rubes, wingnuts, religious freaks and selfish a-holes. We are the mullet of the world's stage.

[quote]have you actually considered the nightmare logistics involved in pulling a switcheroo at this point? It would be an absolute bureaucratic nightmare and the deadline for undertaking such a ballot change is either nearing or it has already passed in some states.

Odd that the prospect of such a "nightmare" isn't dissuading an ever-increasing number of lawmakers from calling for Joe to step down.

New Poll:

Biden 50% to Trump 48%

Same Poll has Newsom at 50 and Trump 48

Let's take the non vegetable.

I am OK with either Biden or Newsom. But Newsom has said over and over he's not running this time around.

I don't blame him. Even if he wanted to, the uphill battle of putting together a campaign overnight, trying to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, getting an election team together, it would be a rushed half assed job which mean Trump would still win.

I agree r94 and I agree most Democrats in leadership don't particularly care if Trump wins.

Trump will be President, we just have to accept that much of what is fed to us about the importance of this election was never all that important.

[quote]I agree most Democrats in leadership don't particularly care if Trump wins.

If they didn't care, there wouldn't be so much angst over whether or not Biden should stay in the race.

Some Democrats honestly believe Joe can't win, other Democrats honestly believe Joe is the only path to victory. Both are motivated by the desire to keep Trump out of office.

I disagree with that, the motivation is either to protect their own ass in reelection or simply to do what is told in hopes for their own career advancements. Most Democratic officials simply do not care that much or we wouldn't be in this situation.

Polls don’t vote.

Your cynicism is duly noted, R97. I choose not to see the world that way.

As a non-American, here's what I don't get - and I ask this in all sincerity and would welcome your theories (less the usual accusation of troll every time some of you read something that challenges your world view, isn't what you want to hear or frightens you, because if you're not smart enough to be embarrassed for yourselves, be assured, you're a real waste of space. Sorry, but as an outsider, Christ some of you are a wonder to watch. And not in a Jesus, that's a big dick way. Well, actually in a Jesus, that's a big dick way, but not the good way. Anyway...)

I would like your theories: how can it be that Donald Trump commands half the vote in a poll? It just doesn't make any sense. He is, on the merits, a person of low intelligence, no morals or values, who is a threat to country and the world. How is this happening? What's the drivers? What's the underlying cause of the symptoms? And why can't the Democrats chip away at those causes just enough to swing the polls? There's got to be more to do here than hope. I get disillusionment with the system - the whole western world is disillusioned with their systems - but Donald fucking Trump? It just doesn't make any sense.

Why?

^ Actually, skip it. I'm gonna make a thread. I am genuinely curious.

R100, you leave out where you live, but your country has most likely succumbed to populist movements as well.

Trump is popular this time because people have forgotten the chaos, feel economic pain with inflation and housing, and think his business magic is going to solve it all. They associate good times with people rather than policies

They overlook his stupidity and immorality with a “if the trains run on time” mentality. Many other countries, including those with more powerful executives, have done exactly this.

R102, I hope I made it plain... not a dig... Yes, there is a populist vein in our politics too. Just Trump is so spectacularly bad. With the riot to prove it. Most of the other populists are, so far, all talk. So it's baffling to me how almost half the people polled want to go back to it. I mean, January 6th. More of that? It just doesn't make any sense.

It's not half the people off the street as in 1 of 2 voters. It's more that a plurality don't really want either of them. Those who say they are voting for Trump in polls obviously like his right-wing positions, are responding to his populist rhetoric, and see Democrats as the "nanny state" party.

Please don't shoot the messenger and argue with me personally, I'm trying to explain.

[quote]Trump is popular this time because people have forgotten the chaos, feel economic pain with inflation and housing, and think his business magic is going to solve it all. They associate good times with people rather than policies

Last week a Trump-supporting neighbor said to me, "All I know is I didn't spend $100 on a bag of groceries under Trump." I tried to explain that was no indicator of how prices would fare in a second Trump administration -- and that economists say Trump's proposed tariffs would cost the average household an additional $1,700 a year -- but it was like talking to a brick wall.

R105, it would be challenging to refute the real suffering that Americans have experienced with inflation during this administration, so the result of your attempt to do so is not unexpected.

R105, in my opinion, Biden and his administration have not helped the inflation situation by insisting that the White House is not at fault for inflation, that it's corporate greed, and that Biden is in fact bringing down prices.

Corporations have always, always been greedy and rapacious. Are they trying to tell us that corporations weren't greedy until he took office? If so, why did they suddenly become greedy under his administration? It's bad messaging. It leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

What's more, I don't think anyone feels that inflation has lifted. Even in my conversations with die-hard Democrat friends, people complain about rising prices of everything. Some people are getting downright worried about their ability to keep body and soul together.

"Inflation's because of greed! Anyway, it's not so bad. We've controlled it!" comes across as buck-passing and gaslighting. People don't care what the cause is, they want it stopped, and most people don't agree that it's under control. I hate to say it because I'll get the Jessica Walter eyeroll gif and "Boris!," etc, but I really think it's true.

Compare Bill Clinton's famous comment in a similar context -- "I feel your pain."

[quote]it would be challenging to refute the real suffering that Americans have experienced with inflation during this administration, so the result of your attempt to do so is not unexpected.

Indeed. I did nothing of the sort, of course, your attempt to shoehorn your agenda into a response notwithstanding.

R108, inflation will remain a big issue for the election. Biden’s best bet would be to acknowledge the pain that it has caused, do a mea culpa, fire Yellen and others for lying about inflation being transitory (although it may be too late for that).

And this is all Republican manipulation of the media and polls to get Biden kicked off the ticket before the Democratic Convention because once that happens, Biden is a lock.

Funny how Biden has learned to ride a news cycle. Trump and Bibi have taught him well.

Biden is not going to breech again until the Republican Convention.

If the folks in the electoral wastelands vote Trump, they’ll be the ones slaughtered. It’s sadly comical to watch them support Turnip, who will never do a thing for their benefit, other than filling their hate dopamine levels.

[quote] It’s sadly comical to watch them support Turnip, who will never do a thing for their benefit

I think this time they won’t let him get away with not building a wall and not doing massive repatriations. He’ll have to follow through.

R112 is being naive.

[quote]I think this time they won’t let him get away with not building a wall and not doing massive repatriations. He’ll have to follow through.

He can't run again so "they" have no leverage over him.

R114, the context was Trump and his supporters.