Thanks Bernie! This is yours and all of your bros’ fault.

THANK. YOU. GURL.

Why? Did Bernie give Joe that spray tan? There's one person to blame and his initials are J. B.

Nope.

Bernie and his bros wouldn’t and couldn’t vote for Hillary.

And their temper tantrum destroyed America.

I blame Debbie Wasserman Schultz

When will you pig-headed, elderly Centrists come to recognize that nothing supports your "feeling" that Bernie cost us the 2016 election? You know what did? Hillary's poor campaigning + Robby Mook's arrogance + yes, to an extent, fucking James Comey.

Although I know you won't bother even reading it, OP, the University of Virgina's Center for Politics published this very interesting analysis of this question.

[quote]A higher percentage of [Sanders'] voters backed Clinton than her voters backed Obama in 2008 or Rubio and Kasich voters backed Trump in 2016. Assuming that [Sanders'] voters cost her the election ignores the fact that, if he had not run, in all likelihood there would have been another credible Democrat that ran against Clinton.

R5, calling people pig-headed and elderly does not help your statement.

[quote] You know what did? Hillary's poor campaigning

How embarrassing for you, blaming Hillary for her poor performance when Bernie could not even get enough votes to make it on stage.

R7 - get a fucking clue. BILL FUCKING CLINTON knew that Hillary's campaign was making mistakes, but Robby Mook knew better. It's an understatement to say that Bill Clinton was neither a perfect man or President, but he certainly had MUCH better political instincts than his wife or her trusted campaign manager. Their blunders in ignoring State-level campaign staff in swing states that narrowly decided the election were FATAL mistakes. And they cannot be blamed on anyone but the campaign manager and the candidate.

Give up your diva worship of Hillary and her pantsuits and realize, whatever skill she had as a working politician, did NOT translate into being a remotely effective campaigner.

[quote]Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook comes across very badly indeed, and appears to have been the wrong man for the job. First, he had a Machiavellian streak (the authors call him a “professional political assassin” bent on “neutralizing” competitors), which he seems to have directed less towards defeating Donald Trump than towards squelching his power rivals within the campaign team by selectively depriving them of knowledge.

[quote]Second, and worse, he appears to have been an idiot. Mook was a numbers nerd obsessed with data analytics, but had such blind confidence in his statistical calculations that he followed along when they told him to send Hillary to spend the last stretch of the campaign in Arizona rather than Wisconsin. Every single decision he made was based on the elaborate analyses of campaign stats guru Elan Kriegel (a man whose name should live in infamy), from which Mook concluded that it was a “waste of time and energy” to try to persuade undecided voters or to go to rural areas. Mook ignored pleas from state-level organizers for adequate organizing and advertising budgets, and rebuffed everyone who dared to question the algorithm’s superior wisdom. They were fools who didn’t understand the superiority of cold hard math to fuzzy intuition, and Mook felt they failed to adequately appreciate the superior rationality of his strategy.

[quote]Thus every time Bill Clinton warned that the campaign was dangerously losing support among the white working class, and “underestimating the significance of Brexit,” Mook responded that “the data run counter to your anecdotes.” After the election, asked to explain what the hell had happened, Mook blamed the data. (I can’t help but be reminded of Michael Scott obediently following his GPS as it directs him to drive into a lake, because “the machine knows.”)

She threw too much faith behind her Hollywood/Celebrity support and no one gave a shit.

R9 is TRIGGERED!

Calm down Bernie Bro, smoke some weed, everything will be OK.

I still don't get the argument that someone running for a nomination against some other person cost that person the general election.

Hardly anyone runs unopposed in a primary (maybe an incumbent, which Hillary wasn't). Hillary had only *one* opponent, but that was too much for her to overcome. Good lord. Grow up.

This:

AGAIN. For the the eldergays who didn't remember to charge their hearing aids....

In 2016, a higher percentage of Bernie Sanders primary supporter voted for Hillary in the General election than Hillary primary supporters voted for Obama in the 2008 election. YES, a higher percentage of Hillary supporters voted for the Republican candidate in the general election. Put another way, the so called far-Left Bernie Bros were actually MORE LOYAL to the Centrist DNC machine than Hillary supporters were.

People didn't want the Clintons back in the White House. Clinton decimated the Heartland. Trump (dishonestly) claimed he would resuscitate industry. People knew Hilary wasn't going to do anything. They may have even voted against her for that reason, in some Midwest states. Obama was president for 8 years and if there weren't term limits he probably would have been elected over Trump. HRC wasn't popular, the end.

Not all, OP. Save some smoke for these mutherfuckers:

[quote] I am going to say this as gently as I can.

[quote] Some of us have been warning you *forever* that most of these NeverTrumpers you kept promoting were going to bite us on the ass the minute they didn’t feel “in charge” anymore.

[quote] That’s why we told you not to elevate them.

Bernie is stumping for Biden. So what the fuck

You Hillbots are annoying as fuck, god.

Bernie Bros still Butt Hurt after all these years. Someone needs to grow the fuck up.

I was pro-Bernie in the primaries, but once Hillary got the nom, I was supporting her. Bernie was just one factor in 2016. The media was another. Hillary not campaigning properly in the swing states was also a factor. But Comey's announcement of reopening the investigation just days before the election was probably the most significant weight on the scale.

[quote]You Hillbots are annoying as fuck, god.

She speaks the truth, r17, sorry if you have a problem with that.

Sooooo----it's NOT PawPaws Bidens fault?....WHEW....Thank goodness cause he really shined in the debate!! PawPaw!! PawPaw!! PawPaw!!

The problem was Bernie and his crackpot supporters did irreparable damage to Hillary’s image and campaign. They did the GOP’s job for them. They also stole the DNC voters’ records. The DNC bent over backwards for a non-Democrat to shut up his loony supporters who were crying foul every two seconds. They had a fart in at the convention when Hillary received the nomination.

Well it Bernines, fault, had they just done what Repugs do all the time and back the winning candidate, Hillary would have won the election, Dump would have gone back into Fart Lago, Biden would never have run.

I hope Bernie’s bros turn out for Biden. The men among them, too.

There are no men among them.

Little Bernie

THIS IS ALL I am thinking, and posting and screaming all week, and nobody else seems to care or fucking remember!

One of the most useless, do-nothing turds crawls out of his hole to create a rabid hate campaign against an actually qualified Presidential candidate to save us from Donald Trump and the most corrupt Supreme Court in history, snaring millions with his nonsense! Well, he did say "We're gonna have a REVOLUTION!" and finally he's right about one fucking thing!

Oh, and to those linking to Chris Hayes, please claim your clown school diplomas now!

[quote]HRC wasn't popular, the end.

Weird thing to post, considering that she won the POPULAR vote by several million.

R22, the Clinton’s ran some of the dirtiest campaigns of all, so why should we care that it was done to her. If a politician cannot survive attacks from his or her own party, they cannot survive them from the other side.

Hilary actively alienated large portions of the electorate and ignored vital swing states. That’s on her, and her alone. I held my nose and voted for her, because the alternative was horrible, but she did nothing to erase her unlikeable image.

Blame the one man with a spine who didn't despise half his electorate, right.

Electors caused this

While the crusty OP is lost in the past (and completely ignoring data and factual information), here's Bernie on the Sunday talk shows being a better advocate for Biden than BIDEN is!

[quote][R22], the Clinton’s ran some of the dirtiest campaigns of all, so why should we care that it was done to her. If a politician cannot survive attacks from his or her own party, they cannot survive them from the other side.

[quote]Hilary actively alienated large portions of the electorate and ignored vital swing states. That’s on her, and her alone. I held my nose and voted for her, because the alternative was horrible, but she did nothing to erase her unlikeable image.

Well, r29, you certainly have the Reich wing boilerplate post down pat. I especially like the "holding your nose" part...it's so classic.

[Quote] She threw too much faith behind her Hollywood/Celebrity support and no one gave a shit.

All that crap is WAY under the bridge.

But there's still time to avoid another huge RBG mistake. Learn from it!!!

R35 I actually predicted RBG dying while Trump was in office. I never forgave her for that.

In the end, RBG was selfish woman who cared more about herself than the nation. Part of her legacy will always be the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

Bernie has nothing to do with the DNC getting behind and propping up obvious losers. He also has nothing to do with the liberal trend of identity politics that has alienated the general public. He's basically a mild new deal democrat who stays on message with working class populism. Go to bed Hillary.

Girls, Girls, GIRLS!!!!

Dump is SOOO disgusting, true Democrats would vote for virtually any other candidate. And there's plenty of Repubs that would ONLY vote for Dump because they know Biden is incompetent.

It's obvious and clear any candidate other than Biden can win. Dump is that toxic.

Hillary learned nothing from the primaries and ran a shitty campaign that inspired nobody, it's her fault.

Her fault she won the popular vote?

aren't we Tim?

The fucking Hillary voters need to get the fuck over it already. IT'S BEEN EIGHT YEARS.

They're just as obnoxious as the Bernie Bros they detest so much.

[quote] All that crap is WAY under the bridge. But there's still time to avoid another huge RBG mistake. Learn from it!!!

So is RBG Dear. She could not predict when she was going to die or who was going to win the election, this is the most pathetic obfuscation of responsibility from Bernie Bros I think I have read.

R45 RBG had several very serious illnesses. The odds of her dying within 4 years after Obama leaves office in 2016 who definitely a strong likelihood.

When you are that age, lets see how you feel about the odds r46.

And in case you have not noticed, for some odd reason, most the the Supreme Court Justices seem to live way past the average life expectancy.

If HRC was a Republican all you fans would hate her. If someone has a D after their name you ignore all their bad traits. You never want to looking into anything D because of what you might find. HRC is like a saint to you.

...And if Bernie had been allowed to win the 2020 primary he'd be POTUS now and what would be all his fault?

I’m sure old spitty shouty would love to have Joe drop out so HE can be nominated instead.

HRC is like a saint to you?? No Dear, she's not, but she was the best choice at the time. Personally dont car about her at all. But lets look at it the other way Bermin is a saint to you butt hurts. If Berine was a far alt-right you would all hate him. Works both ways.

R51 Dear, Bernie or his voters did not cause Hillary Clinton to lose. A politician has to face opposition, and win over opposition. How many people can you (or she) blame for her loss? I don't remember Adlai Stevenson or Hubert Humphrey or Al Gore whining and blaming the people who ran against them for losses. Oh, poor, poor, Hillary! People were not 100% supportive of her! Politics is a tough business. And now you're reaching back into the past to blame someone for what's happening in 2024.

Hillary won the popular vote by almost 3 million.

We live in a country where a grand total of 79,000 voters from just three states (Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania) can cancel the votes of 3 million others.

Yes. Because we're a republic that uses an Electoral College system. One that you never had a problem with until Trump won. Hillary has NEVER been the best choice for anything at anytime. Everything she touches turns to shit. Both personal and public. I don't want to say what she is but it starts with a 'C' ends with a 'T' and it's cunt.

You give yourself away, r54, with...

[quote]One that you never had a problem with until Trump won

I give myself away as what? Tell me when do you roar against the Electoral College? In your 2nd grade thesis? You're an idiot.

[quote]Dear, Bernie or his voters did not cause Hillary Clinton to lose. A politician has to face opposition, and win over opposition.

Oh please, Berine sat there at the convention and pouted the whole time not wanting to pass the torch. A good portion followers were even worse and voted against her even when he encouraged them not to. Thats not her fault, it's Bernie for creating a cult like MAGA type fallowing who were Bernie or bust.

R57 It's already been stated that more Bernie supporters voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters voted for Obama. I voted for her, myself. Then she went around bad-mouthing us. Fuck her.

Hillary Clinton must become the next president of the United States. The choice is not even close.

People like Hillary and Biden are place keepers. They don't have progressive policies. Clinton and Gore and those Democrats actively wanted to change the Democratic party from the party of FDR to something that would appeal to the managerial class. The Democratic party has become a party that believes in big business. Not workers. We're the only civilized nation without some kid of government-sponsored health care or with government health insurance. Those railroad workers who were striking were striking for sick days. Biden crushed the strike. These people are actively resisting progress. I don't see why you love them so much.

R8 I will never forget his face the day after the election. If tragedy had a face. I think I actually felt more sorry for him. He was completely shell shocked. It hit him like a ton of bricks.

Hillary would be finishing up her second term right now, and the country would be in such a better place. Full student loan relief. A fabulous economic recovery. (There was nothing like a Clinton economic recovery) No COVID debacle. A stellar health care system. Several Supreme Court justices. A more liberal Supreme Court. It would be wonderful.

People don't like her because of Bill. The truth is she is a very moral and ethical person who truly cares about people. The way she carried herself with the utmost dignity was very impressive as well. She is a class act in every sense of the word.

Bernie is a phony shitbag of a human being who has sold out on all of his principles. True Independents despise him for the way he has cozied up to Biden. They see him for the bullshit artist he's always been.

[quote] One that you never had a problem with until Trump won.

R54 Not true. I've had problems with the concept since reading about it in high school civics. .. And don't forget. It's the Electoral College that gave us "W," since Gore also won the popular vote. The whole debacle in Florida based on 537 votes wouldn't have mattered.

I can only imagine the Founding Fathers invented this mechanism, because they thought the country would eventually far more than two strong political parties, and there might be occasions when each candidate won 25-30% of the vote.

But now that the country appears stuck with horrible two-party system, the EC doesn't work. All we hear about is "battleground states." If there are only seven states that can swing an election, why even bother with a general election?

R60 In nearly every other Western nation the equivalent of the Democratic Party represents the working class. But the democrats had to sell that dream decades ago because they kept losing elections to the GOP who would bamboozle the working class with the cultural wars. In Western Europe there had never been social issues to trump working class interests but then again like most things it’s boils down to the legacy of slavery. Those countries are more ethnically homogeneous. You add the puritanical nature of American Christianity in regards to things like homosexuality you see why democrats had to go corporate.

There isn’t a true equivalent of the GOP in Western Europe. The conservatives there are really more like US democrats.

At least half of Bernie's speech was a ringing, rousing endorsement of Hillary. Did you even watch it?

I love that picture of Bernie btw. He is such a northeastern Jew through and through and just really comes across in that pic.

[quote]There isn’t a true equivalent of the GOP in Western Europe. The conservatives there are really more like US democrats.

Which is hysterical when you hear about Americans shrieking "the right wing is taking over Europe! Fascism!" They have no idea what they're talking about.

R67 You are right my friend. But it’s funny. The more conservative, in their relative political framework, those countries are becoming as their populations become more diverse. Why can’t we all just look like Puerto Ricans.

[quote]It's already been stated that more Bernie supporters voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters voted for Obama.

Obama was not a close race numbnut. I know several Bernie supporters that just went bat shit crazy after he decided to pull out. Nothing I could say to them would change their mind, they sat out the vote and whined about how all the Democrats are corrupt. Then they can't believe Trump won. Then they blamed Hillary.

Doll face thread.

She had been dealing with multiple bouts of colon cancer for over fifteen years and then later on pancreatic cancer. It was a matter of how quickly she was going to go, and not if.

[quote]If HRC was a Republican all you fans would hate her. If someone has a D after their name you ignore all their bad traits. You never want to looking into anything D because of what you might find. HRC is like a saint to you.

Why should Democrats be any different than Republicans? You've ignored the orange lump's many gaffes, rants, felonious offenses, impeachment, and coup attempt, and the memes of him looking like an action hero makes it seem like he is a god to most of his dimwit voting base.

[quote]People like Hillary and Biden are place keepers. They don't have progressive policies.

President Biden has enacted some of the most progressive policies in thirty years! Are you living under a rock, or just a sad Bernie Bro, or local DSA chapter President?

R64 I think it's more like the Democrats had to figure out how to sell their fake populism as real working class policy - which Bill Clinton did with his focus group/marketing psych driven campaign. Whatever element in politics represented real public interests had been stamped out after Nixon.

Bernie Tells Bros to Vote Biden!

"Enough! Mr. Biden may not be the ideal candidate, but he will be the candidate and should be the candidate. And with an effective campaign that speaks to the needs of working families, he will not only defeat Mr. Trump but beat him badly. It’s time for Democrats to stop the bickering and nit-picking."

As Joe Biden recently said, "Mushalakabubblefromtastic."

It's Bernie's fault that Biden is senile?

The Great Chicago Fire is Bernie's fault. Everything else is Trump's fault.

Bernie is not at fault and has been actively helping campaign with Biden. His “supporters” who ever they may be has lately been fairly silent

OP is an idiot--rehashing the 2016 election AND blaming Sanders for where we are in 2024? Grow the fuck up.

Newsflash: the overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters voted for Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton defeated Hillary Clinton!!!

The electoral college beat Hillary. LOLZ. It worked just the way it was designed to.

Overwhelming majority… but not all?

2016 was the illusion of choice. Hillary Clinton was the Anointed One. Everyone was instructed not to run against her. Many people preferred to have another primary candidate...in a presidential primary. A primary is supposed to allow you to see the candidates run against each other, so their views can be defended and challenged. So they can present their side. She wasn't the incumbent!! Where did all the usual people go, who run for president? 2020 was a huge clown car of candidates--because suddenly no one was instructed not to run against an anointed candidate. Bernie Sanders did even better than in 2106 and was the presumptive nominee. Despite the clown car. Then Obama pulled strings, Bloomberg was out, then on the eve of Super Tuesday, Klobuchar, Pete, Beto--but Warren stayed in until after Super Tuesday, to take votes away from Bernie.

This is the illusion of democracy.

As time goes by Obamas presidency is becoming irrelevant, his legacy will be Hillary losing in 2016, 2020 Biden winning in 2020 and Biden losing in 2024...

If Obama didn't have too much of his hand in the DNC things could've played out differently and we could be in a better situation. Biden winning 2016 and successfully doing two terms would've saved the world so much chaos. But again centrist fail to see inwards and instead are blaming Sanders again, they have been especially mad because these past few years they were told Biden was in great mental health only for it to blow in their faces on June 27 2024!

The centrist are the BPD abusers in a really bad relationship.

So much Monday-morning quarterbacking. Let it go girls. We have a real election to worry about now.

Vote Blue no Matter Who. - Thats all we need to do.

Dont let the MAGA trolls and Boris of the word get you drawn into blame game or endless replacement battles. If you do, they win.

r84 is ranting his opinions and delusions as facts again...

R85 Yeah, forget about being the first biracial/black president. His legacy will definitely be the crap you mentioned, that no one will even remember ten years from now

R87 Which parts are not factual?