DL elders, tell me about Tina Turner's comeback

When I was a kid (born 1975) Tina Turner's comeback was my first real introduction to her. Previous to that I just had a scant memory some woman scaring the shit out of me in Tommy. I'll soon be 50, so you will have to go elder-er.

She smelled a chance to use her "proud victim/endurer/symbol" status to grab the attention and the bucks, while managing to stifle her complicity for all sorts of things that went on when she was with Ike.

Superb management, smart marriage.

Private Dancer is one of my favorite albums of all time. I never skip a track.

r2 = the ghost of Ike

Tina Turner convinced Olivia Newton-John’s manager, Roger Davies, to take her on. He fought music business politics and helped reintroduce Tina as a contemporary 1980s artist.

She didn't make a comeback, OP, she made a...return.

Her return can be credited to a number of British producers who changed her sound from R&B to the then currently popular New Wave Britpop sound of the time. Rupert Hine and Martyn Ware (Heaven 17 and Human League) produced her album and introduced her to a new set of fans who neither knew or cared about her history at the time.

[quote] She smelled a chance to use her "proud victim/endurer/symbol" status to grab the attention and the bucks, while managing to stifle her complicity for all sorts of things that went on when she was with Ike.

To be cynical about Tina Turner is to essentially say you hate life.

I pity you.

She was reintroduced through ONJ's TV special. Olivia heard she was fucking singing at McDonald's conventions. So ONJ brought her on her post Grease special as a try out for Roger Davies. The rest is history. Tina herself credited ONJ on several occasions. They would go on to become very good friends.

OP, there’s an internet site called Wikipedia.

There are so many answers to questions like yours, you’ll be amazed!

Please write the internet address on a notecard for future inquiries.

fuck off R10`

Let's talk about her pre-comeback, when she used to appear on Hollywood Squares. Before she became a professional victim.

Yes, ONJ got push-back from the network of having Turner on, but ONJ insisted. She wouldn't do the special without her, so ABC agreed. Suddenly, the world took notice of Turner once again. (To think - of the three women, only Toni Tennille is still with us).

I remembered her from Proud Mary and Nutbush City Limits as a little child, so my brain smiled in recognition when Let’s Stay Together struck in the winter of ‘84. That single edit was atrocious though. I loved having her around in the same breath that David Bowie, Elton John and hell, even little Michael Jackson was still around at that point. We still entertained Chicago, Roberta Flack, plenty of “dinosaurs” from the earliest days of the 1970s, and several acts from the ‘60s in 1983/84. It wasn’t extraordinary growing up to have a top 40 with familiar acts that even my parents could enjoy.

I loved her during this period. What's the rumor that she stole the songs for Private Dancer from another singer who was going to record them?

I remember the fuss over that hairdo (and Patti Labelle's "New Attitude" bucket 'do)

Mark Knopfler wrote Private Dancer. I don't think Tina stole the song from anyone. MK wrote the song but thought the singer should be a woman. Hence, Tina.

Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Peaches is dead?

I followed both Tina and ONJ. I used to love it when they would send shout outs to each other.

My friend Olivia Newton-John sent me such a lovely video message about “Happiness Becomes You”! Olivia, thank you for your kind words. I am glad to hear that the book brought you joy! As always, you look absolutely stunning ❤️

Rolling Stone had an article at the time that explains it all. She didn’t back out of the performances she had booked prior to Private Dancer bringing her new found success , but honored the commitments even after she was topping the charts.

It was fucking crazy. The competition just for the merch was savage.

People were breaking into homes and tearing Tina Turner clocks right off the walls.

My home, fool!

I think she had a surprise hit with the single "Let's Stay Together" then an album was rushed into production to capitalize on the new found recognition. Then What's Love Got to Do With It really took off.

Tina's rebirth into an 80s superstar was remarkable, both to her longtime fans and to us teenagers hooked on MTV. When you're 15, a 44 year old seems OLD.

Lots of posters above are crediting Olivia for the assist in connecting Tina with Roger Davies. David Bowie also gave Tina a huge boost -- forgive me linking to the NY Post but this is a good telling of the tale. Bowie brought a group of high level music industry people to Tina's show back in '83 when Let's Dance came out. Everything began to click, fast, after that.

Her 1985 and 1987 tours were amazing. So much energy and joy. Best arena-filling solo entertainer I've ever seen live

r6 you tried

ps minor correction -- he brought music execs to Tina 's show in early '83 when they were celebrating the signing of a new record deal with EMI. Let's Dance came out a few months later in Spring '83.

She had a rough life with Ike. She ended up in bad casinos singing covers & oldies. She recorded an album that became a hit. She had more hits. Kinda the story of any comeback.

I love me some Tina Turner. Her music and videos were some of my favorite childhood 80s memories

Tried...what, r25?

Here’s another thing that must have helped her immensely: There is no dirt on Tina. None. Zero. No scandals, no corruption, no diva antics. She was always on time, never let her audience wait (I only saw her last tour, in 2009).

Thoroughly professional through and through.

She was a sensation. This woman we had known and loved for years, showed us a side of herself and her talent. An absolutely staggering repackaging.

Some asshole above said she was a professional victim. She was a professional SURVIVOR, you rancid cunt.

I know. Proud MARY!

It started with Tina Turner Wall Clocks at Spencer's Gift in the mall.

R30, yeah, in interviews and in her book Tina said she saw the hell of drug abuse up close in what it did to Ike and how much more abusive to her he became. She stayed clean. Also was trying to raise the kids (admittedly that was not Tina's strong suit)

She appeared on-at a lot of Cher’s shows about the same time ONJ gave her a hand. I read that Cher flew to Switzerland to see Tina just before she died. They were lifelong friends, quite likely because Cher kept her working and in the public eye.

R30, an exquisite point.

Cher and Tina on Oprah

Most of the finer points of her comeback are mentioned here. I think meeting ONJ's team was important, as was the Heaven 17 collaboration.

The other lucky thing for Tina is that around 1984ish, the charts were really as diverse as they'd been before and possibly since. I'm not talking race as much as.....the British invasion had opened some doors and broadened some palates, and there had been a bit of an old school revival, so Tina's comeback album was timed perfectly - Aretha also had an indisputable comeback with Freeway of Love at around that time, and some other older artists had hits in that timeframe/era too. It wasn't all new young artists, nor the Mick Jagger at 80 sort of vibe we have now.

At the same time, Carly Simon was having a resurgence with her "Comin' Around Again" album and single, Streisand went to the top of the charts for three weeks with "The Broadway Album" , Diana Ross hit it big with her "Swept Away" album, and Dionne Warwick (and friends) hit #1 with 'That's What Friends Are For'. So it was a great time for female singers who started in the 60s and were in their 40s. The stars were aligned for them.

Yes, R38. Gladys Knight also had some hits in that era.

Patti LaBelle too! Hit it big solo late '84-85 right after Tina did.

She and Mick Jagger were friends and she'd sometimes sing with The Stones at their concerts.

A friend of mine was Tina’s business manager in the ‘90s and adored her. She described her as “bookish, wise, down-to-earth, a little shy, and the cool grandma to the entourage she toured with.” She loved to cook for people and to listen to them talk about their families and relationships.

One Tina story I love, and I hope I get it right, it's been a while. She had a booking at a small club that overlapped her huge comeback. She honored the gig. It was somewhere in Europe. It was a very small venue. When they were setting up they found out that the core of the audience was a tour for the mentally and/or physically handicapped. The venue told her she didn't have to go on. She said of course I do. She went out and gave a hell of a show.

The 80s was really the last decade in which the legendary singers could still chart on Billboard. It's remarkable when you think of all the career comebacks that many of the stars from the 60s had during that period.

What made the music shift so much to the youth in the late 80s and into the 90s?

It's true, R44, there was some crossover between Top 40 and Adult Contemporary in those years. By the 2000s there was none.

There was also a time 1980-1982 when there was a lot more crossover between the Hot 100 and the Country chart. That stopped by the end of 1983 when new trends in music began to dominate.

Let’s Stay Together landed her in the top 40 right before, but obviously What’s Love catapulted her into a different realm. Plus it had an an incredible video which added to the luster of the song. She was in her mid 40s but looked amazing, and kids and adults alike loved her. Roger Davies definitely brought her back from the dead, and she gave her record of the year Grammy to him. The above posters are correct. She honored her commitment of being an opening act, including Lionel Richies tour.

Tony Bennett had a big resurgence in the 90's with his MTV unplugged special and album.

r47 Ok?

The guys from Heaven 17 did a side project of R&B covers called Music of Quality & Distinction, credited to the British Electrical Foundation. Tina covered Ball of Confusion. There was a video that received MTV airplay in '82-'83. And she toured constantly. Opening for both Lionel Richie and the Rolling Stones, plus her own headline gigs. More tracks with Heaven 17 (Let's Stay Together) and she recorded a slew of tracks with different producers that became Private Dancer.

Then magic happened and she became Saint Tina of Nutbush.

The whole 80s decade was magic for music. Then,, it felt like the flip of a switch, it was over.

Here's a listing of number one songs of the 80s. There was something for everyone.

R49 I loved Heaven 17 (a name taken from a band in A Clockwork Orange). “We Don’t Need No Fascist Groove Thing”was a keeper and should be re-released today. It’s apropos. Tina was always great about giving Martyn Ware credit for her late success.

It was kind of remarkable -- she went from Let's Stay Together being a minor hit, to What's Love being Song of the Year, a mega-platinum album, a Grammy, a sold out world tour and an offer to co-star in Mad Max III Beyond Thunderdome, all within a year.

Run Tina!

And a DL meme. that beats everything.

Yeah, I remember her being 40+, but I thought she was good-looking.

The weird thing is that I don't feel like listening to her music from that time. But I had at least one of her albums (the comeback one, probably), back then.

I’m sure I can do my own research, but what made her choose to move to Switzerland? I mean it’s something I think more than a few sane people would consider, if they had the resources.

She got married to a guy who lived there, I think. Maybe tax reasons, as well. She said she got treated better in Switzerland (than the US), IIRC.

When I was in HS back in the 60s Ike and Tina Turner came to our school and performed. Tina was a great performer even back then. I remember being mesmerized by her and don't remember Ike at all. I don't even remember what they sang.

Didn't Ike also take her to court to force her to drop "Turner" from her name?

I’m so happy she seemed to find new life, love, fame and happiness after I left our singing group.

Tina was a joke in the years before she came back.

I have always loved her voice and she was one hot woman.

R44 The way Billboard calculated chart positions changed mid 90s, partly because of the implementation of SoundScan (a different way of counting what was sold) and partly because of additional weight they gave radio airplay.

It meant that songs moved more slowly through the charts and youth oriented stuff went to the top and stayed there. So after that stretch of time where veteran musicians were making the charts in the 80s and early 90s, the charts pretty much became totally off limits to them.

[quote] Anyone old enough to remember the buzz she caused?

No, no one.

Datalounge skews very young, after all.

All we remember is the 2010s.

[quote] She didn't make a comeback, OP, she made a...return.

In her words, it wasn't a comeback because the "real" Tina Turner did not arrive until "Private Dancer."

I was in high school and I was in love with her. Prior to "Private Dancer" two great Tina tracks were included on the 1982 'Summer Lovers' soundtrack -- "Crazy In The Night" and "Johnny and Mary." So by the time "Let's Stay Together" came the stars were aligning. I distinctly remember hearing the extended version of "What's Love Go To Do With It" the spring of '84 during a midnight ride back home from the amusement park. Her re-emergence on the scene in 1984 was monumental.

The first time I heard Tina Turner was on River Deep Mountain High, she got my attention. Phil Spector, say what you will about him but he knew what he was doing. He later complained that the radio didn't play that song enough. He's right, I remember hearing it just a couple of times but it was memorable.

Her documentary on HBO, Tina, is actually very good and very sad. She was a grown women well into her 50s who never once knew love - her words. Loved by the world, but actually never really loved by anyone. It wasn't until she was married to her second husband that she said she felt loved.

OP, if you are really curious, I would suggest watching it. It's in her own words and marks her journey.

My partner saw her perform just before her big relaunch. He says in terms of energy and sheer charisma, it was the best show he’s ever seen.

[quote]R21 It was fucking crazy. The competition just for the merch was savage. People were breaking into homes and tearing Tina Turner clocks right off the walls.

You also had every other person in America (male and female) rushing down to City Hall to change their name to Tina.

It made the workplace very confusing.

What about the huge[bold] “I (heart) Tina” [/bold]tattoos that made everyone look like a self-professed drug addict a decade later?

Six or seven year old me was obsessed with We Don't Need Another Hero. Obsessed.

I was so gay.

Her James Bond theme song is the best one in the entire series. She has stiff competition, there are a lot of very good Bond themes. It's not one of her better-known accomplishments but it should be.

Well, her mesh dress in that WAS pretty great.

[quote] Tony Bennett had a big resurgence in the 90's with his MTV unplugged special and album.

What the fuck does that have to do with Tina Turner?

R74 Someone (R44) was talking about how music shifted to the youth in the 90s. So Tony Bennett was brought up.

Idiot.

R63, I don't understand why anyone gives a shit about airplay. I like how the UK charts do it, I believe it's exclusively based on sales. As it should be! Billboard changing their rules is why Mariah had so many of those songs that topped the charts for 10+ weeks.

[quote] My partner saw her perform just before her big relaunch. He says in terms of energy and sheer charisma, it was the best show he’s ever seen

I believe this. It's why Tina managed to sell out tours for a few decades. And it's probably a big reason she was massive in Europe.

R2 is the truth teller.

Tina Turner ran from her blackness and by extension herself. She wanted to be white and seemed to have found solace in being accepted by a white man.

That's because it was I, R78.

Poor Anna Mae. Nothing against her, but, please. There was more than Stockholm syndrome going on.

And if anyone questions her commitment, her going Buddhist, marrying a German (after all those years together) and living in Switzerland sure showed that she didn't want to re-mind anyone of that fabulous, messy past. She ASCENDED!

[quote] Her James Bond theme song is the best one in the entire series. She has stiff competition, there are a lot of very good Bond themes. It's not one of her better-known accomplishments but it should be.

She doesn't have the range!

R79... "accepted by a white man"? He loved her deeply. The man literally gave her one of his kidneys.

R79 = Tina’s therapist who never existed.

My mom saw Tina as "the entertainment" at a convention in Vegas a year or two before "Let's Stay Together" and came back raving about TT as a force of nature. (Mom was a Classical music gal, so it must have been pretty special.)

If you're willing to read, this is a FANTASTIC and very thorough article from a few years back (the 25th anniversary of "Private Dancer") documenting the mechanics of her comeback. My favorite anecdote: "Let's Stay Together" was a first take, beginning to end.

I saw Tina in 1986.

She was squarely "back" by then but she took the stage at 9 pm and saaaaang like it was Friday and the rent had been due on Monday. Most concerts were done by 10:30 but when we left at 11 she was still at it, and I think the review the next day said she'd stayed on until almost midnight. Her energy never flagged.

Yeah, but did she sit in a wheelchair and wave around a mermaid tail? I think not.

I’m not sure I’d call her success in the 80’s a “comeback” because it far surpassed anything she and Ike achieved before that. I remember their Phil Spector produced “River Deep Mountain High” was supposed to be their crossover breakthrough on the charts but it didn’t happen. Their version of Proud Mary was a hit but i don’t remember much after that.

She was doing her record-breaking "Break Every Rule" world tour when I was born.

The tour spent a lot of time in Germany, and lasted a year, and touched five continents.

R53 Spielberg also offered her the role of "Shug Avery" in THE COLOR PURPLE, but she turned him down. She said she already played that character in real life, and didn't want to repeat it.

[quote] Yes, ONJ got push-back from the network of having Turner on, but ONJ insisted. She wouldn't do the special without her, so ABC agreed. Suddenly, the world took notice of Turner once again. (To think - of the three women, only Toni Tennille is still with us).

This is massive horseshit. Tina pretty much sustained herself by making appearances on variety shows and one-off specials after she left Ike. Hell, she even did The Brady Bunch Variety Hour (which, btw, was on ABC). Tina Turner doing a variety show was the equivalent to Betty White doing a game show.

Being on Hollywood Nights did nothing for Tina's career. And the number of people she's credited for her comeback rivals that of who threw the first brick at Stonewall.

She worked that record-breaking crowd in Rio in 1988 without any gimmicks* ore skipping half the lyrics of a song for self congratulatory posing in flowing chiffon**.

A very well deserved record for the 'largest paying concert attendance for a solo artist' by performing in front of approximately 188,000 people at Maracana Stadium in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

She’s no Janet Jackson.

[quote]And the number of people she's credited for her comeback rivals that of who threw the first brick at Stonewall.

Drag queens launched Tina's comeback?

R90 Talk about horseshit, you're comparing Turner's appearance on 'The Brady Bunch Variety Hour' and other 'variety shows' in the 70s to appearing on ONJ's primetime special in 1980, when ONJ was at the peak of her career ? Seriously ?

You may as well compare her winning a Grammy Award in the 80s to her winning a Talent Show in the 50's.

Karen Carpenter was also on the ONJ special and she looked awful.

At the time, ONJ and KC were the best of friends in the industry. I think this aired when KC was launching her solo project.

R95 I was FUCKING POOPED!!

Karen looked kinda thin on that ONJ special (she was in the group cover of Heartache Tonight) but not "cry for help" thin.

But the following year she REALLY looked anorexic next to Olivia on the Merv Griffin Show. So sad.

It’s just too bad that pussy has no nutritional value.

If Mama Cass had given Karen Carpenter her ham sandwich, both would be alive today.

Master Blaster rules Bartertown.

She 100% owes her success to hot sax player Tim Cappello. His arms gave me an instant erection as a teen.

By the way, if you were a huge fan in '85, why are you asking for us to tell you about her?

I remember seeing her concert in Cincinnati of all places when I was just out of high school. This would have been about 1993. They double printed my tickets and when I arrived, there was already someone sitting in my seat. So they moved me up to the front row. I got to see her perform up close and at one point she smiled and pointed at me during. a song. I couldn't have been more excited.

I must have one of those faces, because on a completely random other note, when I was a sales bottom at Bloomingdales in NYC and Aretha Franklin came walking through, she smiled and waved at me. It was funny because my white colleague asked me if she smiled at me. He said she was only saying hello to the black sales associates., HA!

My dad loved her, he even had an 8 track that included Proud Mary for his car. But she was perceived as a joke by many in those Ike & Turner Revue days, especially by my parents' lily-white middle class friends. Even Carol Burnett spoofed her.

It changed with her "return " in the 80s. Suddenly her previous detractors were calling her a living legend, saying they appreciated her all along.

Her two songs on the Summer Lovers soundtrack are easily two of her best. I wore that cassette out.

I remember when the autobio movie "What's Love Got To Do With It" came out, people were mad at the ending of pulling away from Angela Bassett and then zooming in on Tina. I was like "Whuuuuuuuuuuut?" It was a fun way to end the movie.

Dropped in from Munich with a master plan

Guess he left his wife and kids at home

He's got so much money rollin'

From the crimes he'll commit

But the Siamese cats are gonna take a little bit

R105 Burnett spoofed everyone on her variety show in the 70s - including he friends Cher and Streisand. That's what she did for comedy - and she was damn good at it. Not a slight to Tina, not in the least.

Her cover of Let's Stay Together is the best cover of all time imho. She fucking killed it.

R30 sure it did. It’s where she met ONJ’s manager, Roger Davies.

[quote] Talk about horseshit, you're comparing Turner's appearance on 'The Brady Bunch Variety Hour' and other 'variety shows' in the 70s to appearing on ONJ's primetime special in 1980, when ONJ was at the peak of her career ? Seriously ?

Do you even know what the fuck you're babbling about? Hollywood Nights was made to help promote the notorious flop, Xanadu. Olivia was at the peak of her career TWO YEARS before this thing aired and it was nothing special. If you look at Tina's IMDB page, you'll see she made appearances on variety shows and specials on the regular, so no, ONJ did not do her any massive favors, nor did appearing on this special do a fucking thing for Tina's career, you idiot.

R2

You are correct. Evidently there is entire story with Tina and Ike and groupies that will never be told. Yes he beat Tina but it is alleged Tina was not a saint.

Cher helped Tina as well by booking her and getting her acquainted with Bib Mackie.

Cher and Tina were close friends until the end

R112 I have to agree. MTV putting What’s Love Got to Do With on constant replay did the trick. It’s easy to forget that MTV often played stuff that wasn’t on terrestrial radio. When American teens got hooked on Europop, Tina got swept up in it, along with Duran Duran et al. The other stuff with ONJ? I don’t remember that at all. Okay….I was shocked to see The Tubes in the Xanadu movie. That was pretty lame.

R104 If Aretha Franklin smiled and waved at you you should’ve ran right out and bought a lottery ticket!

[quote]and getting her acquainted with Bib Mackie

We used to call him Bibsy.

you stupid asshole doing Hollywood nights for Olivia was her introduction to Roger Davies Olivia‘s manager Olivia was the most popular pop singer on the planet in 1980 Xanadu had not been released yet and the hype around the movie was phenomenal. It was everywhere. Olivia had one of the biggest hits of 1980 and two other top 10 hits and a molt and a double platinum album soundtrack, you are a piece of shit

R114 Cher didn’t have a goddamn thing to do with her come back

R112 You’re also a piece of shit because that special Hollywood nights aired right before the goddamn Oscars telecast and was one of the highest rated television specials of the fucking year. It was on the front of the fucking TV guide, asshole liquor.

R112 Tina begged Olivia’s manager to take a godamned chance on her and to manage her.

This is a good video about what is probably Tina’s ACTUAL story without the PR spin.

[quote]asshole liquor

I have sufficient.

R112 you piece of shit. Olivia Newton-John was one of the biggest fucking pop singers in the world in 1980 you piece of shit.

R114 in 1980 Cher’s career was in the toilet

R96 KC sucked

[quote] I saw Tina in 1986. She was squarely "back" by then but she took the stage at 9 pm and saaaaang like it was Friday and the rent had been due on Monday. Most concerts were done by 10:30 but when we left at 11 she was still at it, and I think the review the next day said she'd stayed on until almost midnight. Her energy never flagged.

Why'd you leave at 11? How do you know her energy never flagged if you left at 11?

[quote]Olivia was at the peak of her career TWO YEARS before this thing aired

Olivia had a number one that summer with Magic and had the biggest song of the 80's the following year with Physical.

This show was at her peak. She was white hot.

You can’t fix stupidity op is stupid and all of his posts are equally stupid

The point of her being on the ONJ show was to let Davies see her do pop. He knew her credentials as a nitty gritty soul singer but that's not what he did. He wanted a showcase to see if she could do smiling pop music like Olivia. So Olivia put her in her special and that was the start. That's music history. Confirmed by everyone involved. Would Tina have made a comeback without ONJ? Most likely yes. Her talent was immense. Did ONJ give her a huge boost? Of course. ONJ could have made Charlene a star at that point in her career. I don't know why it's now up for debate about Olivia's role in Tina's comeback. Especially when Tina herself was quite vocal about it.

Ladies, you're all stupid pieces of shit. OK?

I didn’t know Frank Sinatra’s daughter was black? When did she marry Ted Turner?

Agree, R130. Tina always mentioned those who helper her reinvent herself in the 80s: Olivia Newton John, Cher, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, to name a few.

She has always maintained to be extremely skeptical about doing What’s Love Got To Do With It, insisting that she wanted to do rock songs like It’s Only Love, with Brian Adams.

But Roger Davies knew best, he really did — and Tina stayed loyal to him throughout her impressive solo career.

R112 is a delusional piece of shit. Time to FF his ass.

[quote] Why'd you leave at 11?

Had to go to school the next day.

[quote] How do you know her energy never flagged if you left at 11?

It was in the review I read the next day, plus other friends of mine went and said so.

Jesus fucking Christ, Mary. Got any more interrogations?

I like your efforts to explain a normal life r135.

[quote] Yeah, but did she sit in a wheelchair and wave around a mermaid tail? I think not.

The other thing I remember is how much reverence Tina received from other artists. Bette Midler gave her a hell of an introduction at the 1984 MTV Music Awards.

[quote] [R53] Spielberg also offered her the role of "Shug Avery" in THE COLOR PURPLE, but she turned him down. She said she already played that character in real life, and didn't want to repeat it.

The role was not "offered" to Tina, they wanted her to read for it but she wanted no part of it.

I’m mad they didn’t induct her in the hall of fame until the year she died. She couldn’t even be present at the ceremony and had to send in video remarks. She was such a cute little elderly lady by then. I saw her perform during her 3 farewell tours. She was great. She was all over MTV in the 80s. I have great respect and admiration for her. RIP Tina you were simply the best.

The industry knew full well of her abuse. It was other musicians who rescued her career. I grew up with Sonny & Cher and she was the guest, not Ike. In the end, she had to realise her worth. Her album and videos legitimized MTV for an older generation because she was between the RB & Rock genres. People 35-50yrs

It didn't hurt that her James Bond theme "Goldeneye" was a huge hit. I saw her perform at The Gorge at George (Washington State) not long after the release of Goldeye and the audience went wild. Her stamina onstage was jaw-dropping.

This thread is making me want to rewatch Mad Max 3.

I remember her coming on stage with Rod Stewart singing 'Hot Legs' and that was before Private Dancer. To be honest after living through that time the Private Dancer album and Born In The USA (Springsteen) were so overplayed I got sick of them both. I did love 'Simply The Best' song when it came out (now overplayed on Shitt's Creek)

Memorial Day Weekend 1984. Merrillville, Indiana. 4th Row 'obstructed'(not at all IMHO). I don't even think the album was out yet. She was unbelievable - she had her set that she had been building (Let's Stay Together was especially good). She opened with Let's Pretend We're Married and nailed it. Her I&T material. River Deep Mountain High. It was my first love. It was his very first show, ever. I bought everything for the next 25 years. She was a preformed icon to me from remembering Proud Mary as a kid, and her Acid Queen from Tommy and I saw her as the magic pixie dust in the air took those great reviews in the Village Voice of her live set that said she is ascending and it altered me for the better.

Aretha, at 7:05, does a quick but cute impersonation of Tina ("We're gonna do it rough"). The whole video is funny. Joy Behar telling Aretha, while watching an old clip of AF singing: "Look how skinny you were." Barbara Walters acting like she can't believe Aretha was learning opera (singing and piano), acting skeptical.

Aretha was nice about it all, she had her Christmas CD to promote.

I just watched the video at r122. Great stuff there and very believable. Tina in this version reminds me of my grandma and aunts all raised in the south in the same way. All of them were fighters. So I can see Tina being exactly that person described in the video. Recently my older cousin told me, that was just life. Normal. Friday would come and men would beat their wives. Wives would fight back, it’s just what happened. Almost to the point if your husband wasn’t beating you he didn’t love you, didn’t care enough to get mad. That was the thinking then.

But I can totally see Tina being slutty, being prostituty, bring a bottom bitch madam for Ike too.

The video also paints a more realistic version of a life’s trajectory. The beatings were bad but Tina did stay. By the end they were common place in her life. She enjoyed the fame and the money. And it wasn’t so much that that final fight was anything worse than before - it’s just that at that point the money in the Ike and Tina review had dried up as well - so she was out.

There was a tiny blip because in her drive to pay off debts, she took all kinds of bookings, including Sun City in South Africa. That was in conflict with a campaign to reject those bookings because of then apartheid in South Africa. It quickly died down, I think because people liked her and understood her debt issues.

R147

She also had been doing a lot of self-esteem building and learned a lot about Buddha. She She knew that she had come to the end of the line with Ike and also felt strong enough emotionally and spiritually to leave him

[quote]It’s just that at that point the money in the Ike and Tina review had dried up as well"

After Tina left, Ike was trying to get Chaka Khan, Rick James and Natalie Cole to help him out with his career. All were drug buddies as well.

Chaka even talked about in in JET magazine.

[quote] The other thing I remember is how much reverence Tina received from other artists.

I think even people that didn't love her music could celebrate that she'd worked long and hard to get back to the top.

Tina wasn't exactly a super ass kissy kind of friendly person but she generally was kind and polite to fellow musicians, and that went a long way. Aretha pissed away a lot of goodwill about her comeback because she was perpetually a shady cunty bitch

As stated above, due to her many variety/talk show performances over the years post-Ike, she was never forgotten by US audiences. This would likely be her last US TV appearance before Private Dancer shot her into the stratosphere.

It was a big deal. Circa 1979 she was playing Ramada Inn lounges. The comeback to permanent A list status was impressive.

David Bowie also played a part in the comeback, as she has mentioned several times.

As has been mentioned in this thread several times.

Interesting to see at R152 that she was singing Steel Claw a few years before it was recorded.

My favorite barely charted. Paradise is Here.

R155 please tell me where David Bowie has been mentioned several times in this thread in relation to Tina’s comeback?

Fuck off you’re argumentative

R158 not gonna do your work for you but I posted that same Bowie piece from the Post, in this thread like 4 or 5 days ago

.. and R157, yes, love it. Paradise Is Here was Tina at her Adult Contemporary gorgeous best. She did a lot of schlock in that genre later on, but this track is a beauty.

R161 that my dear IS schlock. My least fave song by her

Op is from India

R159 You posted shit and a lie, got called out for it, and now you’re throwing your toys out of the pram in retaliation.

You are fat, lazy and pathetic.

I admire Tina for knowing when to retire from the concert stage. Madonna, Cher, Paul McCartney, Springsteen and the Rolling Stones should take note. Streisand also should have stopped performing live after her 1994 tour.

Grace Slick also knew when it was time to retire. She was pushing 50 and said she felt ridiculous on a rock and roll stage singing all the 60s songs when she was so much older and that time had long since passed. She retired to Malibu and has no regrets.

R12 are you really trying to disparage a dead battered woman. Really? That’s what hot in the streets? That’s what’s poppin? You know that bridge in San Fran. Jump off it.

Girls! Girls!

YOU'RE BOTH FAT CUNTS FROM HELL!!!

Geez, Tina never gave ME any credit and I bought her damn album.

In 1981, Tina was doing a gig in Communist Poland (yes, those were the gigs she was getting at the time). In a pre-concert news conference, Miss Turner claimed she had no idea of what had been going on in Poland (this was in the middle of the Solidarität mass strikes):

{quote]She did not make the Polish crisis disappear completely. At one point, Miss Turner tossed back her hair, hitched up to the microphone and growled, 'What do you want?'

{quote]'Food,' came the reply from somewhere back in the crowd.

It was spectacular.

107. ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 07/11 **2** Speaking of victims who also had a mean side, this permanent A list alliterate singer used to beat women and traffic them just so she wouldn't be subject to the same treatment. Tina Turner (BLIND ITEM REVEALED 05/16/22) (BLIND ITEM 11/03/22)

Who is an abused spouse who was trying to do anything to survive, Alex?

I'll take Stop Victim Shaming for $1000