Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

Taking baths with a nanny forty years younger than him is a bad look regardless of the allegations.

The same day they met!

I ONLY FINGERED THE NANNY

I’m sorry. If they entered consensual relationships with him AFTER these alleged “assaults,” they have no basis to complain.

I can't believe some people are shocked by this. The straight guys who constantly proclaim their own "sensitivity" are always the worst. If he's scolding others on Twitter about their alleged lack of "kindness"... stay far, far away, gals.

[quote]I ONLY FINGERED THE NANNY

His ex wife probably has, too.

"Cuddling" and "making out" with the nanny in the bath the very first day you meet and employ her is bananas.

I’ve always felt he was a creepy overrated cunt

Fingerbanging the nanny is some low, coercive shit

His books certainly indicate a pervy mind

[quote]I’m sorry. If they entered consensual relationships with him AFTER these alleged “assaults,” they have no basis to complain.

Bullshit.

You have no idea how a victim of a sexual assault would react, especially if she knows she will lose her job if she complains.

I wonder what Tori will think-

r4 obviously hasn't watched Baby Reindeer with the rest of us. Victims of sexual assault do all sorts of irrational shit post-assault, especially if the perpetrator is someone in a position of authority/power. That sort of experience rewires the brain in some people.

[quote]I wonder what Tori will think-

I hadn't thought of that, but her daughter, Gaiman's goddaughter, is the same age as the nanny.

It’s not bullshit. If you enter into a lasting CONSENSUAL relationship with someone after an incident, you waive the right to make a public fuss about the incident years later when you’re out of the relationship. Why should the rest of us, let alone the law, condemn your ex when you originally decided it was not bad enough to keep away from him. Completely different for a minor, but an adult’s choices have consequences, and one of the consequences of having a consensual relationship with someone is giving up the right to publicly cry “rape” years later.

The problem is no one can separate your motivations for making a complaint about your ex. Yes, it’s possible that you were confused or felt pressured, and only saw the incident clearly years later, but there’s a good chance your motives for going public now are about anger over the end of the relationship or revenge.

Who is he? I looked him up. He's a writer, but really a niche one, if productive. Of all the pervs who've been expossed, why him?

He’s pretty famous

Disturbing, but not as disturbing as Amanda Palmer's eyebrows were

r15 How do you not know who he is, just through cultural osmosis alone.

Guilty by reason of hideousness

R5 speaks the truth.

These accusations are about as shocking as the ones against Russell Brand. And they both look like they always smell.

He's always had a ton of devoted fangirls. I don't see the appeal.

I think we recently had a thread where a poster wondered WHET to Neil Gaiman.

I guess now we know why he got so quiet.

It’s definitely creepy to finger bang the nanny in a bath on the day you meet her, but I agree that the fact she stuck around for 3 more weeks of shenanigans makes the years later cry of non-consensual sex hard to accept.

r23 He hasn't been quiet at all, he's been exec producing The Sandman TV adaptation for years now with the showrunner Allan Heinberg. It's just that the second season got delayed because of the writers strike.

In other words, she changed her mind after the fact.

But he was a creepy asshole to make a move on her on DAY FUCKING ONE that he met her. Jesus.

r24 Three weeks of being confused about what actually happened seems believable to me. I'd be far more suspicious of her if the relationship continued for three more months.

Was she hot

You don't understand-- I hired her to fingerbang her.

If you have a three-week relationship after the fact, it cannot have been so traumatic, or can it? It's not as if he kept her in a cell.

It’s not as if he moved her there to live with him….

I don't know whether he's done anything that rises to the level of criminal assault. But Neil Gaiman is one smug, creepy mutherfucker.

R5 Absolutely.

I thought Gaiman was a gay man.

Scientologist. Explains much.

Gaiman has said several times (including to the New Yorker) that he's not a Scientologist. Palmer denied it as well. He tries to avoid the subject because his siblings were dragged into the cult by their parents and public criticism would invite harassment from the so-called church.

According to Reddit, he and Amanda would try to recruit girls for threesomes at Bard, where he was a writing professor.

I've never been interested enough to pay much attention to him, but he always came off as smug. Amanda Palmer has always been an insufferable pain in the ass.

R37, I was just thinking that he must have gotten into shenanigans up in Annandale.

He kissed me once uninvited but it was on the cheek.

Collecting hot undergrads is a prerogative of professors at institutions of higher learning

This is one of the things that's powering the Trump support. These guys with nasty pasts of harassment, abuse, misogyny, bigotry, molestation, etc. have the crazy idea that Trump- being one of their own- will somehow squelch the movement. Kamala being their biggest fear.

Precisely, R41.

[quote] I thought Gaiman was a gay man.

He has to sleep with women exclusively and be virulently homophobic to be gay.

He looks like Howard stern He had a class on Masterclass — he oozed creepiness and perversion although he seems somewhat intelligent …. He’s a Matt Gaetz in writer’s clothing — paying his concubines with a hefty salary and false hopes of boosting their career — a lot smarter then Venmo

He looks like Howard Stern mid-transition.

Guess the T (testosterone) levels are dropping…

He looks like an old lady Vermont farmer

Women need to grow the fuck up. Borderline Personality Disorder is 99% a female problem and most of these women suffer from it.

Yeah, just shut up and fuck your employer DAMN.

FYI- This is going to blow the fuck up. Sounds like there are MANY women. Many. I would say that he is finished.

R47 pfft. As if any homo would silently deal with a hideous troll employer putting the moves on them. The hissing would never stop…

[quote] One of the women, a 23-year-old named Scarlett, worked as a nanny to his child. She claimed Gaiman assaulted her in February 2022, just hours after they had first met, while in a bath at his New Zealand home. Gaiman told the outlet that he and Scarlett “cuddled” and “made out” in the bath and that it was consensual; he added that in the three-week sexual relationship they were in, they only engaged in digital penetration.

Ok, even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that is all that happened - who the fuck does that with a brand new employee on day one??? Just hire an escort for god's sake. But then it wouldn't have the extra frisson of "seducing the nanny," I suppose.

Even if there was no straight up assault, dude is a lecherous old creep. He couldn't keep his hands off her for even the first day? 🤮 He must have been salivating like Pavlov's dog when she wanted to take a bath.

[quote]But then it wouldn't have the extra frisson of "seducing the nanny," I suppose.

And the whole point of that is that it's a slow seduction, happening over several months or possibly even years (see: Ben Affleck). Where's the thrill in fucking the nanny on day one?

Anyone that would marry Amanda Palmer deserves the side eye at least. She is the most intentionally off-putting person.

I'll never forgive him for vocally defending George R.R. Martin's right to be a shitty, arrogant, failure.

R51- Your point is the key part.. This guy is FUCKED up. The stories we will soon hear will show everyone just how much

You can bet he knew what a woman was while he was fingering the nanny’s pussy on her first day of work.

[quote] dude is a lecherous old creep. He couldn't keep his hands off her for even the first day? 🤮 He must have been salivating like Pavlov's dog when she wanted to take a bath.

[quote]According to Reddit, he and Amanda would try to recruit girls for threesomes at Bard, where he was a writing professor.

Ooh, juicy. Anybody got a link?

This sucks- One of my favorite Tori songs of all time has Neil in it.

Deck the halls

I'm young again

I'm you again

Racing turtles

The grapefruit is winning

Seems I keep getting this story twisted

So where's Neil when you need him.....

Well Tori, Neil is busy fingerbanging an 18 year old nanny after meeting her 15 minutes ago!

R58- reddit

R58 Jesus Christ- go to Reddit and type in the guy's name.

Here you go doodyhead.

Why do all nerdy writers turn into such slimy dickheads the second they get a little bit of fame.

Not surprised, however. Amanda Palmer is an attention seeking goblinfaced twat. Who strips on a red carpet while her husband watches and smiles with every camera in the world is on both of you? An asshole that’s who.

All the world just stopped now

So you say you don't want to stay together anymore

Let me take a deep breath babe

If you need me, me and Neil'll be hangin' out

with the dream king

Neil says hi by the way

Tori loves Neil. Giving each other shout outs became their thing.

[quote] Amanda Palmer is an attention seeking goblinfaced twat. Who strips on a red carpet while her husband watches and smiles

It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it

Who is this person?

Straight from the School of Perversion founded by Epstein and its CEO — forget that twats name.

Some ugly intelligent men can pass as human if they have other good qualities ,.

This guy no! His facial hair and hair on his head looks like it was rippers out from a twat elderly homeless woman or whatever

He does have rapist face.

Pic with Neil and Amanda (of the hairy armpit) for those (like me) who have no idea who she is.

The story is from 2020, just posting it for the pic.

[quote]"Cuddling" and "making out" with the nanny in the bath the very first day you meet and employ her is bananas.

Even by Fran Fine's standards, that's too soon.

Ugh, more bullshit about “power dynamics” from grown women who pursued a relationship with a married / older man, got dumped, and cry about it for money and revenge.

You don’t continue fucking a man for three weeks if he traumatized you so terribly.

They did not fuck for three weeks. He crammed his fingers in her for three weeks until she could arrange an escape.

I thought it was Howard Stern in OP’s pic.

R15, I don't know much about him either. I've heard the name but that's it.

He's well known for his comics, graphic novels and fantasy books, and later on he got into TV and film screenplays. Not my cup of tea, but he has a huge fanbase. He was kind of an alternative/goth darling, a la Tim Burton.

[Quote] Tortoise understands

Wait, what? I don’t want the tea spilled by some lethargic armoured reptile.

I don’t know what all the fuss is about. When I would go to see a teacher after class to ask about a homework assignment I would often slip my pointer finger into her anus and leave it there for the entirety of the meeting.

His spouse ?? Trans ? Shaved off brows with weird pencilled in parentheses

Enlarge her face /-/ ugly ! Thick calves This Neil is into fetishes

It’s not like he even fucked this nanny . Just stuck his fingers into her — he had explained she needed a lot of flexibility to uh work for him

From Reddit: Obviously nobody knows me here, but I've known this about Neil for years. A close friend of mine is a local artist who has worked for Neil and Amanda off and on for years and had to deal with Neil's advances. They knew of others as well. I have posted about Neil's behavior on occasion on social media and sometimes women reach out privately to thank me for saying something, they have long feared coming forward due to the harassment they will likely face.

I'm not going to debate anyone here, but yes I spoke to the reporter behind this, who happens to be well known and award winning. He was looking for information, not a story, and the information is what informed the story he wrote, from people I know and a lot of others. What is presented in this podcast is a tiny fraction of what I and others are aware of. This is what can be demonstrated right now with the permission of the victims willing to come forward and face the inevitable abuse Neil's fans will heap upon them, but there are others, a lot of others. This is the tip of a very large iceberg.

I'm sorry this will impact his fandom, I know it's terrible when someone you look up to turns out to not be a good person. Be careful in your responses here, how you reply to this news will let others in this community know how safe it is to come out with their stories. If you truly believed in the ideals Neil espoused, if not lived, this community should be a model of how to support and create a safe space for the abuses of powerful men, even if it is Neil himself who was the problem. Upvote 185 Downvote 4 awards

This is disappointing- He's one of my favorite authors.

Never get fingered by your heroes, R78.

Speak for yourself R79

It's Girls (the HBO series) "American Bitch" episode in real life.

Once a woman makes an accusation, any support or defense of the man is seen as insulting and further abuse of the victim.

There are male predators. However, there are also female predators and women wanting to get money over false claims.

Both can be true.

I didn't like "Girls" and I've only actually seen a handful of episodes....but "American Bitch" is a standout. Really excellent. And a stand-alone...you don't need to watch any of the other episodes to enjoy it. It was also pretty prescient as it came out a few years before Me Too, if I recall.

BTW, I don't think Neil just like jumped into the tub with the girl randomly like people imagine. He probably had a hiring 'agenda' that went way past making sure the candidates were capable of taking care of his kids. He was likely vetting them in terms of hotness, experience, willingness etc. She was probably a fan and blurted it out during the interview. It doesn't make what he did ok AT ALL.....but it contextualizes it a tiny bit.

R83 Fuck off, Neil.

𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐲 ??

ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 07/05 **1**

What is happening to the author sounds almost exactly like what happened to the director a few years back, also at the hands of the celebrity cult. Neil Gaiman/Scientology/Paul Haggis (Neil Gaiman Denies Sexual Assault Allegations Made by Two Women) (Neil Gaiman discusses his relationship with Scientology) (Paul Haggis Parts With Scientology in Scathing Letter) (Paul Haggis Found Liable on All Counts in Civil Rape Trial)

Except Neil Gaiman actually has admitted all this stuff happened. He just claims it was totally consensual, while the women claim otherwise. Doesn't seem like a conspiracy, more like chickens coming home to roost.

Gaiman has always been a hack and now he has been revealed to be a pervy, sadistic creep

I condole him.

He is someone his fans seemed to WORSHIP. Which is weird.

No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.

So I assume this was acolyte wanted to fuck the famous writer, fucked, decided it kind of sucked, and then later got all pissed off that she had fucked him. Sad, but not rape.

More, more, again, again!

[quote]Two more women have alleged that the bestselling author Neil Gaiman sexually assaulted or abused them, extending the timeline of his misconduct across five decades.

[quote]According to the new claims – which Gaiman denies – he pressured a mother-of-three to have sex with him in return for letting her live with her daughters at his property in upstate New York, and made her sign a non-disclosure agreement in return for a $275,000 payment to help her cope with post-traumatic stress and depression following their sexual relationship.

[quote]A second woman says he jumped on her “out of the blue” in an “aggressive, unwanted” pass in the 1980s, when they were both in their twenties.

This guy is a piece of shit. I am a massive Tori Amos fan too (well before she lost her voice) but I still respect her talent- and I am torn as to whether she should say something or not. He is her daughter's god daughter.

I starting to make her guilty by association. and that is probably not fair.

He is really a piece of SHIT.

[quote] So I assume this was acolyte wanted to fuck the famous writer, fucked, decided it kind of sucked, and then later got all pissed off that she had fucked him. Sad, but not rape.

Not sure why you assume that, given the description of what occurred.

I am a moron- Tori's daughter is Neil's goddaughter

He certainly is ugly.

Why is he getting away with this? I bet he'll be back on tumblr again in no time like nothin ever happened.

When season 3 of Good Omens was announced as a 90 minute episode there was a lot of anger from fans, not at Gaiman of course but at the women making the allegations.

r98, the fans are morons. They're more angry at JK Rowling for defending women than they are at Gaiman for abusing women.

It goes to show that not only are trans identified straight white males allowed to get away with abusing women but so are the straight cis white men that defend them.

He used to be fun and the good kind of weird. I don't mind him fingerbanging the nanny (if it was consensual) - I am appalled by him not owning up to it. I fell out of love with him somewhere in Ep. 1 of Season 2 of Good Omens. Good Omens will always be a Terry Pratchett book to me. The Amazon series shows crassly what is missing when Gaiman does it alone. A lot of pandering, no heart, no depth - lots of creativity, I give him that. (A bit like American Gods which is the objectively better series.)

What I don't get is: Why didn't he hire an escort? Did he and his wife get off on the challenge?

r100, He did a lot more than finger bang a nanny. He brutalized her.

You were there, r101?

[quote] Why is he getting away with this? I bet he'll be back on tumblr again in no time like nothin ever happened.

Oh, dear.

r101, No, Dear. I listened to the podcast where the nanny recounted the sexual abuse that happened.

Women really need to grow up and stop acting infantilized. These women chose to fuck him but want us to believe it was against their will, as if he put a gun to their head. This is why the public no longer buys these stories. Too many women with borderline personality disorder looking for daddy to come to their rescue because they either regretted the hookup or he didn’t leave his wife for them.

R104 is a sucker who buys into “stories”. Typical frau behavior.

r105, They weren't expecting him to choke them and pull a belt out and ignore their pleas for him to stop.

r106, No Im just able to see through straight white guys that use "feminism" and "trans allyship" as a shield.

apparently you can't. poor you.

R101 What did she say; can you summarize? I'm not invested enough in the topic to do my own dive.

Season two of Good Intentions wasn’t as fun as season one.

R108 I agree that it's definitely a red flag.

For a lot of the male "feminists" who indulge in trans activism, the misogyny isn't the primary motive, they have a child they want to prioritise - David Tennant for example.

But for a lot of men getting to tell women they're cunts and bitches and using "trans activism" as an excuse is a real dick stiffener. The pig ugly Scottish comedian was famous for "joking" about violently raping and assaulting women but became a trans ally by telling feminists to fuck off.