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Neil Gaiman accused of sexual assault

[quote]Neil Gaiman has been accused of sexual assault by two women with whom he was in consensual relationships and is the subject of a police complaint in New Zealand. Gaiman’s position is that he strongly denies any allegations of non-consensual sex with the women and adds New Zealand police did not take up his offer of assistance over one woman’s complaint in 2022, which, he says, reflects its lack of substance.

[quote]Scarlett, 23, alleges that Gaiman sexually assaulted her within hours of their first meeting in February 2022 in a bath at his New Zealand residence, where she worked as a nanny to his child. Tortoise understands that Gaiman’s account is that they only “cuddled” and “made out” in the bath and that he had established consent for this. His position is that, over the three-week sexual relationship that followed, they only ever engaged in consensual digital penetration.

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by Anonymousreply 91July 17, 2024 1:38 AM

Taking baths with a nanny forty years younger than him is a bad look regardless of the allegations.

by Anonymousreply 1July 3, 2024 6:37 PM

The same day they met!

by Anonymousreply 2July 3, 2024 6:42 PM

I ONLY FINGERED THE NANNY

by Anonymousreply 3July 3, 2024 6:44 PM

I’m sorry. If they entered consensual relationships with him AFTER these alleged “assaults,” they have no basis to complain.

by Anonymousreply 4July 3, 2024 6:46 PM

I can't believe some people are shocked by this. The straight guys who constantly proclaim their own "sensitivity" are always the worst. If he's scolding others on Twitter about their alleged lack of "kindness"... stay far, far away, gals.

by Anonymousreply 5July 3, 2024 6:49 PM

[quote]I ONLY FINGERED THE NANNY

His ex wife probably has, too.

by Anonymousreply 6July 3, 2024 6:50 PM

"Cuddling" and "making out" with the nanny in the bath the very first day you meet and employ her is bananas.

by Anonymousreply 7July 3, 2024 6:53 PM

I’ve always felt he was a creepy overrated cunt

Fingerbanging the nanny is some low, coercive shit

by Anonymousreply 8July 3, 2024 7:01 PM

His books certainly indicate a pervy mind

by Anonymousreply 9July 3, 2024 7:05 PM

[quote]I’m sorry. If they entered consensual relationships with him AFTER these alleged “assaults,” they have no basis to complain.

Bullshit.

You have no idea how a victim of a sexual assault would react, especially if she knows she will lose her job if she complains.

by Anonymousreply 10July 3, 2024 7:12 PM

I wonder what Tori will think-

by Anonymousreply 11July 3, 2024 7:16 PM

r4 obviously hasn't watched Baby Reindeer with the rest of us. Victims of sexual assault do all sorts of irrational shit post-assault, especially if the perpetrator is someone in a position of authority/power. That sort of experience rewires the brain in some people.

by Anonymousreply 12July 3, 2024 7:17 PM

[quote]I wonder what Tori will think-

I hadn't thought of that, but her daughter, Gaiman's goddaughter, is the same age as the nanny.

by Anonymousreply 13July 3, 2024 7:43 PM

It’s not bullshit. If you enter into a lasting CONSENSUAL relationship with someone after an incident, you waive the right to make a public fuss about the incident years later when you’re out of the relationship. Why should the rest of us, let alone the law, condemn your ex when you originally decided it was not bad enough to keep away from him. Completely different for a minor, but an adult’s choices have consequences, and one of the consequences of having a consensual relationship with someone is giving up the right to publicly cry “rape” years later.

The problem is no one can separate your motivations for making a complaint about your ex. Yes, it’s possible that you were confused or felt pressured, and only saw the incident clearly years later, but there’s a good chance your motives for going public now are about anger over the end of the relationship or revenge.

by Anonymousreply 14July 3, 2024 7:44 PM

Who is he? I looked him up. He's a writer, but really a niche one, if productive. Of all the pervs who've been expossed, why him?

by Anonymousreply 15July 3, 2024 7:48 PM

He’s pretty famous

by Anonymousreply 16July 3, 2024 7:50 PM

Disturbing, but not as disturbing as Amanda Palmer's eyebrows were

by Anonymousreply 17July 3, 2024 7:59 PM

r15 How do you not know who he is, just through cultural osmosis alone.

by Anonymousreply 18July 3, 2024 8:04 PM

Guilty by reason of hideousness

by Anonymousreply 19July 3, 2024 8:12 PM

R5 speaks the truth.

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by Anonymousreply 20July 3, 2024 8:15 PM

These accusations are about as shocking as the ones against Russell Brand. And they both look like they always smell.

by Anonymousreply 21July 3, 2024 8:19 PM

He's always had a ton of devoted fangirls. I don't see the appeal.

by Anonymousreply 22July 3, 2024 8:23 PM

I think we recently had a thread where a poster wondered WHET to Neil Gaiman.

I guess now we know why he got so quiet.

by Anonymousreply 23July 3, 2024 8:25 PM

It’s definitely creepy to finger bang the nanny in a bath on the day you meet her, but I agree that the fact she stuck around for 3 more weeks of shenanigans makes the years later cry of non-consensual sex hard to accept.

by Anonymousreply 24July 3, 2024 8:28 PM

r23 He hasn't been quiet at all, he's been exec producing The Sandman TV adaptation for years now with the showrunner Allan Heinberg. It's just that the second season got delayed because of the writers strike.

by Anonymousreply 25July 3, 2024 8:29 PM

In other words, she changed her mind after the fact.

But he was a creepy asshole to make a move on her on DAY FUCKING ONE that he met her. Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 26July 3, 2024 8:29 PM

r24 Three weeks of being confused about what actually happened seems believable to me. I'd be far more suspicious of her if the relationship continued for three more months.

by Anonymousreply 27July 3, 2024 8:30 PM

Was she hot

by Anonymousreply 28July 3, 2024 9:19 PM

You don't understand-- I hired her to fingerbang her.

by Anonymousreply 29July 3, 2024 9:39 PM

If you have a three-week relationship after the fact, it cannot have been so traumatic, or can it? It's not as if he kept her in a cell.

by Anonymousreply 30July 3, 2024 9:39 PM

It’s not as if he moved her there to live with him….

by Anonymousreply 31July 3, 2024 9:41 PM

I don't know whether he's done anything that rises to the level of criminal assault. But Neil Gaiman is one smug, creepy mutherfucker.

by Anonymousreply 32July 3, 2024 9:42 PM

R5 Absolutely.

by Anonymousreply 33July 3, 2024 9:43 PM

I thought Gaiman was a gay man.

by Anonymousreply 34July 3, 2024 9:51 PM

Scientologist. Explains much.

by Anonymousreply 35July 3, 2024 9:58 PM

Gaiman has said several times (including to the New Yorker) that he's not a Scientologist. Palmer denied it as well. He tries to avoid the subject because his siblings were dragged into the cult by their parents and public criticism would invite harassment from the so-called church.

by Anonymousreply 36July 3, 2024 10:12 PM

According to Reddit, he and Amanda would try to recruit girls for threesomes at Bard, where he was a writing professor.

I've never been interested enough to pay much attention to him, but he always came off as smug. Amanda Palmer has always been an insufferable pain in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 37July 3, 2024 10:29 PM

R37, I was just thinking that he must have gotten into shenanigans up in Annandale.

by Anonymousreply 38July 3, 2024 10:38 PM

He kissed me once uninvited but it was on the cheek.

by Anonymousreply 39July 3, 2024 10:39 PM

Collecting hot undergrads is a prerogative of professors at institutions of higher learning

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by Anonymousreply 40July 4, 2024 12:04 AM

This is one of the things that's powering the Trump support. These guys with nasty pasts of harassment, abuse, misogyny, bigotry, molestation, etc. have the crazy idea that Trump- being one of their own- will somehow squelch the movement. Kamala being their biggest fear.

by Anonymousreply 41July 4, 2024 12:36 AM

Precisely, R41.

by Anonymousreply 42July 4, 2024 12:41 AM

[quote] I thought Gaiman was a gay man.

He has to sleep with women exclusively and be virulently homophobic to be gay.

by Anonymousreply 43July 4, 2024 12:42 AM

He looks like Howard stern He had a class on Masterclass — he oozed creepiness and perversion although he seems somewhat intelligent …. He’s a Matt Gaetz in writer’s clothing — paying his concubines with a hefty salary and false hopes of boosting their career — a lot smarter then Venmo

by Anonymousreply 44July 4, 2024 12:57 AM

He looks like Howard Stern mid-transition.

Guess the T (testosterone) levels are dropping…

by Anonymousreply 45July 4, 2024 1:00 AM

He looks like an old lady Vermont farmer

by Anonymousreply 46July 4, 2024 1:01 AM

Women need to grow the fuck up. Borderline Personality Disorder is 99% a female problem and most of these women suffer from it.

by Anonymousreply 47July 4, 2024 2:16 AM

Yeah, just shut up and fuck your employer DAMN.

by Anonymousreply 48July 4, 2024 2:19 AM

FYI- This is going to blow the fuck up. Sounds like there are MANY women. Many. I would say that he is finished.

by Anonymousreply 49July 4, 2024 3:01 AM

R47 pfft. As if any homo would silently deal with a hideous troll employer putting the moves on them. The hissing would never stop…

by Anonymousreply 50July 4, 2024 4:01 AM

[quote] One of the women, a 23-year-old named Scarlett, worked as a nanny to his child. She claimed Gaiman assaulted her in February 2022, just hours after they had first met, while in a bath at his New Zealand home. Gaiman told the outlet that he and Scarlett “cuddled” and “made out” in the bath and that it was consensual; he added that in the three-week sexual relationship they were in, they only engaged in digital penetration.

Ok, even if you give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that is all that happened - who the fuck does that with a brand new employee on day one??? Just hire an escort for god's sake. But then it wouldn't have the extra frisson of "seducing the nanny," I suppose.

Even if there was no straight up assault, dude is a lecherous old creep. He couldn't keep his hands off her for even the first day? 🤮 He must have been salivating like Pavlov's dog when she wanted to take a bath.

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by Anonymousreply 51July 4, 2024 1:27 PM

[quote]But then it wouldn't have the extra frisson of "seducing the nanny," I suppose.

And the whole point of that is that it's a slow seduction, happening over several months or possibly even years (see: Ben Affleck). Where's the thrill in fucking the nanny on day one?

by Anonymousreply 52July 4, 2024 1:43 PM

Anyone that would marry Amanda Palmer deserves the side eye at least. She is the most intentionally off-putting person.

by Anonymousreply 53July 4, 2024 1:54 PM

I'll never forgive him for vocally defending George R.R. Martin's right to be a shitty, arrogant, failure.

by Anonymousreply 54July 4, 2024 1:58 PM

R51- Your point is the key part.. This guy is FUCKED up. The stories we will soon hear will show everyone just how much

by Anonymousreply 55July 4, 2024 3:25 PM

You can bet he knew what a woman was while he was fingering the nanny’s pussy on her first day of work.

by Anonymousreply 56July 4, 2024 3:41 PM

[quote] dude is a lecherous old creep. He couldn't keep his hands off her for even the first day? 🤮 He must have been salivating like Pavlov's dog when she wanted to take a bath.

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by Anonymousreply 57July 4, 2024 3:45 PM

[quote]According to Reddit, he and Amanda would try to recruit girls for threesomes at Bard, where he was a writing professor.

Ooh, juicy. Anybody got a link?

by Anonymousreply 58July 4, 2024 4:07 PM

This sucks- One of my favorite Tori songs of all time has Neil in it.

Deck the halls

I'm young again

I'm you again

Racing turtles

The grapefruit is winning

Seems I keep getting this story twisted

So where's Neil when you need him.....

Well Tori, Neil is busy fingerbanging an 18 year old nanny after meeting her 15 minutes ago!

by Anonymousreply 59July 4, 2024 4:12 PM

R58- reddit

by Anonymousreply 60July 4, 2024 4:12 PM

R58 Jesus Christ- go to Reddit and type in the guy's name.

Here you go doodyhead.

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by Anonymousreply 61July 4, 2024 4:16 PM

Why do all nerdy writers turn into such slimy dickheads the second they get a little bit of fame.

Not surprised, however. Amanda Palmer is an attention seeking goblinfaced twat. Who strips on a red carpet while her husband watches and smiles with every camera in the world is on both of you? An asshole that’s who.

by Anonymousreply 62July 4, 2024 4:42 PM

All the world just stopped now

So you say you don't want to stay together anymore

Let me take a deep breath babe

If you need me, me and Neil'll be hangin' out

with the dream king

Neil says hi by the way

Tori loves Neil. Giving each other shout outs became their thing.

by Anonymousreply 63July 4, 2024 5:20 PM

[quote] Amanda Palmer is an attention seeking goblinfaced twat. Who strips on a red carpet while her husband watches and smiles

It's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it

by Anonymousreply 64July 4, 2024 7:19 PM

Who is this person?

by Anonymousreply 65July 4, 2024 9:12 PM

Straight from the School of Perversion founded by Epstein and its CEO — forget that twats name.

Some ugly intelligent men can pass as human if they have other good qualities ,.

This guy no! His facial hair and hair on his head looks like it was rippers out from a twat elderly homeless woman or whatever

by Anonymousreply 66July 4, 2024 10:54 PM

He does have rapist face.

by Anonymousreply 67July 4, 2024 11:01 PM

Pic with Neil and Amanda (of the hairy armpit) for those (like me) who have no idea who she is.

The story is from 2020, just posting it for the pic.

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by Anonymousreply 68July 5, 2024 6:45 AM

[quote]"Cuddling" and "making out" with the nanny in the bath the very first day you meet and employ her is bananas.

Even by Fran Fine's standards, that's too soon.

by Anonymousreply 69July 5, 2024 2:19 PM

Ugh, more bullshit about “power dynamics” from grown women who pursued a relationship with a married / older man, got dumped, and cry about it for money and revenge.

You don’t continue fucking a man for three weeks if he traumatized you so terribly.

by Anonymousreply 70July 5, 2024 5:29 PM

They did not fuck for three weeks. He crammed his fingers in her for three weeks until she could arrange an escape.

by Anonymousreply 71July 5, 2024 5:44 PM

I thought it was Howard Stern in OP’s pic.

by Anonymousreply 72July 5, 2024 8:00 PM

R15, I don't know much about him either. I've heard the name but that's it.

by Anonymousreply 73July 5, 2024 9:54 PM

He's well known for his comics, graphic novels and fantasy books, and later on he got into TV and film screenplays. Not my cup of tea, but he has a huge fanbase. He was kind of an alternative/goth darling, a la Tim Burton.

by Anonymousreply 74July 5, 2024 10:55 PM

[Quote] Tortoise understands

Wait, what? I don’t want the tea spilled by some lethargic armoured reptile.

by Anonymousreply 75July 5, 2024 11:24 PM

I don’t know what all the fuss is about. When I would go to see a teacher after class to ask about a homework assignment I would often slip my pointer finger into her anus and leave it there for the entirety of the meeting.

by Anonymousreply 76July 5, 2024 11:27 PM

His spouse ?? Trans ? Shaved off brows with weird pencilled in parentheses

Enlarge her face /-/ ugly ! Thick calves This Neil is into fetishes

It’s not like he even fucked this nanny . Just stuck his fingers into her — he had explained she needed a lot of flexibility to uh work for him

by Anonymousreply 77July 5, 2024 11:31 PM

From Reddit: Obviously nobody knows me here, but I've known this about Neil for years. A close friend of mine is a local artist who has worked for Neil and Amanda off and on for years and had to deal with Neil's advances. They knew of others as well. I have posted about Neil's behavior on occasion on social media and sometimes women reach out privately to thank me for saying something, they have long feared coming forward due to the harassment they will likely face.

I'm not going to debate anyone here, but yes I spoke to the reporter behind this, who happens to be well known and award winning. He was looking for information, not a story, and the information is what informed the story he wrote, from people I know and a lot of others. What is presented in this podcast is a tiny fraction of what I and others are aware of. This is what can be demonstrated right now with the permission of the victims willing to come forward and face the inevitable abuse Neil's fans will heap upon them, but there are others, a lot of others. This is the tip of a very large iceberg.

I'm sorry this will impact his fandom, I know it's terrible when someone you look up to turns out to not be a good person. Be careful in your responses here, how you reply to this news will let others in this community know how safe it is to come out with their stories. If you truly believed in the ideals Neil espoused, if not lived, this community should be a model of how to support and create a safe space for the abuses of powerful men, even if it is Neil himself who was the problem. Upvote 185 Downvote 4 awards

This is disappointing- He's one of my favorite authors.

by Anonymousreply 78July 5, 2024 11:39 PM

Never get fingered by your heroes, R78.

by Anonymousreply 79July 6, 2024 12:42 AM

Speak for yourself R79

by Anonymousreply 80July 6, 2024 12:53 AM

It's Girls (the HBO series) "American Bitch" episode in real life.

by Anonymousreply 81July 6, 2024 1:33 AM

Once a woman makes an accusation, any support or defense of the man is seen as insulting and further abuse of the victim.

There are male predators. However, there are also female predators and women wanting to get money over false claims.

Both can be true.

by Anonymousreply 82July 6, 2024 1:45 AM

I didn't like "Girls" and I've only actually seen a handful of episodes....but "American Bitch" is a standout. Really excellent. And a stand-alone...you don't need to watch any of the other episodes to enjoy it. It was also pretty prescient as it came out a few years before Me Too, if I recall.

BTW, I don't think Neil just like jumped into the tub with the girl randomly like people imagine. He probably had a hiring 'agenda' that went way past making sure the candidates were capable of taking care of his kids. He was likely vetting them in terms of hotness, experience, willingness etc. She was probably a fan and blurted it out during the interview. It doesn't make what he did ok AT ALL.....but it contextualizes it a tiny bit.

by Anonymousreply 83July 6, 2024 3:01 AM

R83 Fuck off, Neil.

by Anonymousreply 84July 6, 2024 4:27 AM

𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐭 𝐚 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐲 ??

ENTERTAINMENT LAWYER 07/05 **1**

What is happening to the author sounds almost exactly like what happened to the director a few years back, also at the hands of the celebrity cult. Neil Gaiman/Scientology/Paul Haggis (Neil Gaiman Denies Sexual Assault Allegations Made by Two Women) (Neil Gaiman discusses his relationship with Scientology) (Paul Haggis Parts With Scientology in Scathing Letter) (Paul Haggis Found Liable on All Counts in Civil Rape Trial)

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by Anonymousreply 85July 6, 2024 7:24 AM

Except Neil Gaiman actually has admitted all this stuff happened. He just claims it was totally consensual, while the women claim otherwise. Doesn't seem like a conspiracy, more like chickens coming home to roost.

by Anonymousreply 86July 7, 2024 12:02 AM

Gaiman has always been a hack and now he has been revealed to be a pervy, sadistic creep

by Anonymousreply 87July 8, 2024 1:51 AM

I condole him.

by Anonymousreply 88July 14, 2024 2:07 PM

He is someone his fans seemed to WORSHIP. Which is weird.

by Anonymousreply 89July 17, 2024 1:27 AM

No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money.

by Anonymousreply 90July 17, 2024 1:34 AM

So I assume this was acolyte wanted to fuck the famous writer, fucked, decided it kind of sucked, and then later got all pissed off that she had fucked him. Sad, but not rape.

by Anonymousreply 91July 17, 2024 1:38 AM
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