Biden Nomination Death Watch

You’re selling yourself short OP.

He may be forced to resign.

Probably tomorrow. Very symbolic. That is why the ABC News interview (recorded, not live) is Friday.

R1, interesting idea but no one is saying that. And it's the perfect setup for Kamala Harris if Biden withdraws and keeps the WH together from now to Jan 2025 as an elderly figurehead with everyone knowing his aides are doing it all -- and that frees up Kamala to campaign as Nominee.

Not a good look, and quite the opportunity for Trump to attack the status quo. But the alternative (Biden resigns and Kamala has to step in as actual President) would not allow her to campaign much if she's the nominee, and there has been a surge of chatter the past 48 hours about her becoming the nominee ASAP.

Yeah I also feel the ground is giving way beneath him. He should not have run for a 2nd term.

Once again, I have to say this: the Democrats sure do know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The next few months will be the biggest shit show for the Democrats since 1968.

Good job, youngsters. The biggest humiliation in the history of the Democratic Party and US politics is all yours. Hope you wear it well.

Speaking of death, did you know Beau died leading Hannibal's army across the Alps?

Oh God both Harris and Newsom will just assure a Trump victory. Very few want them.

The ground os only starting to give away among our trolls here on DL.

Any Democrat running for President will have a block of cement around their feet if Biden is deemed incapable of running for reelection but is still in the White House where Hunter is now sitting in on meetings. He will resign. Kamala gets to be Queen Charlotte for six months in exchange for not running for the nomination. Gavin Newsom’s campaign begins Saturday in Bucks County, announced yesterday so hastily they don’t have a location. Gavin is the nominee.

You’re a an idiot and you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, R6.

In order to know what people want, don’t you have to actually leave the house on occasion?

And Monday in Manchester New Hampshire

This is a CAMPAIGN.

R7, it's CNN and NYT and headline news this morning.

He is not going to resign the presidency. Jesus Christ, the idiotic prognostications on this board sometimes.

How stupid do you have to be to think that the president of the United States is going to resign his seat because he had a terrible debate?

He will stand down from the nomination. And serve out the remainder of his term with dignity.

I saw that news story too R8 about Newsom coming to the East Coast. Interesting.

I love Biden but there's no possible way he can continue. He can't win the election.

The debate was his big chance and sadly, he absolutely blew it. He was everything the right say he is. Everybody could see it with our own eyes. The perception can't be corrected. He was a wonderful President.

If Biden is smart he will do this and go out with grace being respected and well loved - with millions grateful to him for saving us from Trump. But if he stays and loses - the Bidens will be blamed and loathed.

They have to pick someone new and throw everything into the "get to know you" campaign with Biden's full support. Looks like it might be Newsom.

If Biden was in absolutely tip-top shape, but losing the election, I would still want him replaced. Is it too much to ask the Democrats to put up a candidate who can win?

And by the way, that ain't Kamala.

Also courtesy of OP...

[quote]Biden's Decline is real: Compare CNN Town Hall Oct 2021 vs CNN with Erin Burnett May 2024

r12 It really is interesting how much more unhinged DL is compared to Reddit when it comes to this issue. Usually it's the other way around.

[quote]And serve out the remainder of his term with dignity.

In the immortal words of Barbara Walters upon Star Jones’s exit from The View

“We gave Joe plenty of times to exit with dignity. But Joe had other plans.”

A call has been scheduled for Wednesday and Gavin is flying to DC. Are they replacing Joe or Kamala?

R15, oh no, you showed my hand. Not mortified by that. Yeah, so, I believe Biden should be replaced because he is in significant decline. Most of us believe he is in significant decline.

Because he IS.

[quote]The ground os only starting to give away among our trolls here on DL.

you need to try harder

try harder

try harder

R9 Do you take your head out of the sand at least once a month? It sure doesn't look like it. You'd have to be very very stupid to think either of them has a chance against Trump.

Even Buttigieg would have a better chance. So he doesn't have the experience neither did Trump. He's likeable, intelligent and smart and cleans up well. Yeah he's got a husband but I bet Dems and undecided couldn't care less about that. Perhaps even a few rethugs. After all some of them have gay children who they love. I know some. They do exist.

[quote]If Biden was in absolutely tip-top shape, but losing the election, I would still want him replaced. Is it too much to ask the Democrats to put up a candidate who can win?

Yet another complete idiot.

Yes, let's start willy-nilly replacing presidential candidates for no reason other than R14 has determined that he or she cannot win!

Like, who are you, bitch? Fuck you.

[quote] And serve out the remainder of his term with dignity.

A bit late in the game for Joe to begin worrying abut dignity

Like R14 and so many others R24 you fucking asshole. Like it's just one person. The most ardent Biden supporters had to turn off the debate after 10 minutes. Maybe he can pull a rabbit out of a hat but a lot of Dems are scared unlike you because you're too oblivious. The guy is in his 80s and not aging well at all. There are people in their 90s who have more mental acuity and physical confidence than Joe.

Any reasonable, intelligent, younger Dem choice with a modicum of charisma who is already a bit known could get this. Michelle Obama would get most liberal votes and she'd energize the base of POC voters, they would still go for her. Don't forget, it's white men and women who are the problem: white men and women, in majority, always vote Republican.

Mayor Pete would be great as the VP choice - other than the gay thing, he knows how to present centerist and slightly left policy to conservatives in a way they can accept it, or at least live with it.

It's refreshing that at last, no one is putting 76-year-old Hillary forward. At least they've learned that.

Why isn't there a solid set of Gen X choices? Because the Silent Generation and Boomers still haven't let go? No one can move up until they move on.

"U.S. President Joe Biden pulled even with his Republican challenger Donald Trump this week in the race to win the November election, a sign the contest remains close even after a widely panned debate performance by the Democrat, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll."

I'm surprised no one has put forth Jimmy Carter as prospective nominee. He has the experience, he's 128 years old, and his grandson tells us he's only going to be in hospice care for not too many more years.

Somewhere in my lifetime, the Democrats became the party of the ancient and ancienter.

[quote]Even Buttigieg would have a better chance.

AGENDA ALERT! AGENDA ALERT! AGENDA ALERT!

The GOP wholeheartedly supports a fascist, racist, sexist, felonious traitor-rapist as their candidate, no problem.

The Democrats, meanwhile, fracture and call for his resignation from office and withdrawal of his candidacy after a single poor debate performance.

Christ. Is there any reason some of us are frustrated with things?

WTF, OP? Did Vivian Vance not make the cut?

[quote]Like it's just one person.

The only person that I have seen suggest that Biden should resign outright is YOU, dummy.

You are alone.

You're certainly the only purported Democrat calling for this.

So fuck off, dummy. You're a chaos agent and you aren't very good at it. Get some sleep.

[quote]Even Buttigieg would have a better chance.

R23 have you been paying any attention to anything around you? There is no way the current US would elect a gay president. Ridiculous.

I could only see Newsom if he cuts a deal to make Harris his first SCOTUS nominee. If they ran together, the CA electors could not vote for both of them under the Constitution.

Sane Democrats hope that Biden will decline the party nomination and make way for someone else to run -- someone, anyone with a pulse and the ability to string together a sentence or three.

Its far from one.person.

A Pete-Trump debate would be interesting. They'd probably have Pete sitting on Trump's lap.

R33 - I also said that Biden had to resign and hand the campaign to someone else.

I'm not a troll. I'm a lefty. A big one.

I think we can do better than just calling other posters trolls because we don't agree with them. This thread seems like legitimate posters with legitimate comments.

R33 I am not R14 you very stupid fuck up. Crawl out of bed for at least 5 minutes a day. Take a few deep breaths and then you can crawl right back in.

[quote] I think we can do better than just calling other posters trolls because we don't agree with them.

Never have before. Why would you think it would start now?

[quote]Good job, youngsters. The biggest humiliation in the history of the Democratic Party and US politics is all yours. Hope you wear it well.

R4 no offense but the vibe you’re giving me is “Minnie Castavet complaining to Roman after Terri threw herself from the Bram”

Pete is a vicious debater, R37. He'd shred Trump alive. However, I don't see him being Pres nominee.

It wasn't a terrible debate. A terrible debate means some sort of competency and he was a very poor debater. If his most ardent admirers could only watch 10 minutes it means it was unwatchable, therefore catastrophic.

Let's hope for the next one he does a total 180.

You Pete supporters need to get your head out of his ass. The man is a disaster and only has his job because he’s gay.

Remember when he said the highway system was racist? You can hear the dog whistle from outer space. Dropping a statement like that without context is why there are so many idiots out there.

Yes, highways were put through poor neighborhoods but let’s also remember that Robert Moses wanted to put a highway through Washington Square Park in NYC’s Greenwich Village. Every decision is not about discrimination. And sometimes there are battles on many different fronts and only so many resources to fight them.

But Pete panders and hits the buttons he knows will stir the shit.

What about Al Gore?

He's "only" 76, very bright, in control of all his faculties, and was a VP before. Never seriously pissed anyone off as far as I know. He could carry off "elder statesman" well, and the Millennials loved him back when they were young (remember his climate change movie?). Plus, he's another one who (probably) was elected president before the Rethugs snatched it away from him (I'm looking at you, Jebby!).

Just a thought.

If this is true, I'm thinking there will be a fast swing toward Kamala Harris.

[quote]What about Al Gore?

Al Gore is really an interesting subject because it’s like the Democrat Party completely dropped him. They moved in the direction of diversity (Obama and Hillary) and completely shut him out. They seem to want Gavin as the new white man representative for the party.

Doesn’t that still apply if she remains the VP nominee?

I’d rather have a senile Joe than Kamala. We are so screwed.

Anyone who has had a family member with dementia knows what's up with Biden. I'm another big lefty who thinks he should step aside.

Let's get Gretchen Whitmer in the race. Unlike Newsom, she has the credentials and intelligence--as well as the integrity--to win and lead well.

[quote] What about Al Gore?

#MeToo. Remember those massage therapists he was sexually harassing

#SexPest I think they called him

Gretchen Whitmer may have done well if she was given a primary to show how tough she is.

They did not. She may get on as Veep.

[quote]Unlike Newsom, she has the credentials and intelligence--as well as the integrity--to win and lead well.

I don’t get why everyone is putting their support behind him. California is a mess. People are leaving the state in large percentages. And committees like the reparations committee and handling the homeless piles of cash will not fly in other states.

Biden needs to get angry. He needs to not wait until the Convention to become fiery, He needs to use the Convention as Part two of the attack on the Republican Party.

Plus, the attack needs to come in plain language.

I think Secretary Pete needs to be unleashed as an attack dog and go on the record saying things like Trump's Secretary of State, Tillerson, was right. When pushed, he has to say that Tillerson, who ran and runs a Fortune 500 company, was right when he called Trump a Fucking Moron. Use the words. Tillerson saw that Trump was nothing more than a Reality Game Show host way in over his head. He called out Trump as a fake.

But you can't call out Biden for being a fake. He has 50 years of experience to prove it.

Fucking hell, the best the Democrats can do is suggest names of people more than 75 years old.

[quote] He needs to use the Convention as Part two of the attack on the Republican Party.

Are you living in La La Land?

At the moment, the Republican Party is not the issue. The fact that Biden just told a group of donors that he almost fell asleep during the debate is the issue. Even if that were a joke, it’s a poorly timed one.

[quote]Biden needs to get angry.

The only thing Biden gets angry about is his aides giving him bad news.

[quote]Kamala gets to be Queen Charlotte

She dare not try. I’ll cut a bitch.

Poor OP got greyed out because he dared to suggest that we have not always been at war with Eastasia.

Ah, but the Republican Party and its Big Business grip on the Main Stream Media need to be held to account. When they have focused the debate on Biden's appearance over Trumps bump stock of lies, there are problems with CNN.

I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH A PORN STAR!

OK, ONE LIE amongst the many and they let it slide.

But it was a big one.

Mr. Trump, you sat in a Courtroom in NY for weeks, heard the testimony of the porn star you now claim NOT to have had sex with, your defense team did not object to a single statement she said and went into disgusting details about your sexual act, and you have the nerve to DENY REALITY that you had sex with her? In front of the American people? In front of us? Are you saying that it wasn't sex, like Bill Clinton, when Ms. Daniels had your semen running down her leg or that she wasn't a Porn Star?

Because a jury found you guilty of Election Fraud based on her sworn testimony. Oh, and why didn't you take the stand to prove your innocence under oath?

Waiting Mr. Trump. Because, I will not sit here and ask neutral questions in order for you to lie and expect President Biden to address every one of those lies individually. We do not have the time.

When the quick response would have been Stormy Daniels or Karen McDougal, Mr Trump?

R51? I never heard that. Got any links? TIA

R59, it may yet happen but I'm ungreyed for now.

Being pro-replacement re: Biden is not at all the same thing as being a troll. This is literally a gossip and opinions board! And we all (well, most of us) want the same outcome, we want Trump defeated in November and prevented from being the next President. This disagreement is about what's our best chance of defeating him.

Blue MAGA is called Blue MAGA for reason.

What’s the reason R64?

The Kamala attack ads have started...

r65, because they figured out that Antifa, antifascist, is a concept and not a group, and that people are coming round that the Woke are EVERYONE who is not a evangelical male white nationalist?

Liberal>progressive>politically correct>woke, whenever a label for a democratic coalition wears out, they invent another.

Republican FASCIST propaganda.

NYU is now doing to Greenwich Village what Robert Moses wanted to do.

What a shitshow this election is turning out to be.

It's what Mark Burnette has decreed.

He turned politics from policy to entertainment.

Biden needs to turn it into sports competition.

As far as we know, no one made Biden selfishly choose to run again. It’s on him and everyone who supported him running for a second term.

Biden didn’t selfishly decide to run again. He made what seemed the best decision at the time and a self-sacrificing one at that.

[quote]Biden didn’t selfishly decide to run again. He made what seemed the best decision at the time and a self-sacrificing one at that.

The man knew his poll numbers were low and he knew he was physically declining. He’s constantly checking out to go cocoon himself in Wilmington and avoid his responsibilities. He’s done half as many press conferences as Trump and the least since Reagan. He only works 6 hours a day and yells and humiliates people so badly when they bring him bad news in his daily briefing that they avoid giving it to him.

This man does not want to be President. He wants to be KING. He wants to run for reelection because he wants to DIE in office like a KING. He cannot psychologically accept that he had at best a mid presidency after being so sure for 60 years that no one could do it better than him, that he needs to cast himself as the “savior of democracy” not once but twice in order to satiate his ego. He did not consult with anyone about his reelection besides viziers and toadies, whom have indulged him for four decades or more, including a crack addicted son and a wife so power-obsessed she would make Madame Chiang Kai-Shek blush, and who obviously planned to segue into a role in which she would be de facto regent once his mental facilities reached a point of no return. He failed to develop his vice president so he could use her inexperience and unpopularity as a leveraging tool against her replacing him in 2024. He embraced a political culture based on extreme secrecy, press manipulation and cryptofascist strongman worship while excoriating his rival for the same thing.

I loathe paraphrasing Ronald Reagan but:

Joe Biden is not the solution to our problems. Joe Biden IS the problem.

R73 you sound unhinged.

R74 and you sound like a stupid fucking cunt.

Fuck off, r75. ElderLez is one of our most cherished posters.

except for the fact that she packs heat wherever she goes

And she’s a fucking cunt.

I live in an safe, urban area with plenty of police so I don’t pack heat.

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[quote]As far as we know, no one made Biden selfishly choose to run again.

Except hundred's of years of history of Incumbent Presidents running for a second term.

Trump is the anomaly who did not take the hint with his loss, turned it into a Big Lie and assembled an army in the interim.

It is all about Trump corrupting government.

Shelley Hack, Rose!

One of the finest presidents we ever had was a one-termer. He set goals for his presidency, accomplished them, and then went home.

So was Kennedy.

Stop the Biden assassination.

[quote]I'm not a troll. I'm a lefty. A big one.

R13, I didn't call you a troll. I called you a dummy.

And I stand by that statement.

Biden is doing the "Ruth Bader Ginsberg" and the Democrats are once again doing nothing about.

I’ve received three text polls the last two days. The first asked if I was still planning to vote for Biden, but the last one asked if I wanted him at the top of the ticket

For those who insist "But Democratic voters wanted him after TWO primary seasons!", he was anointed last time after a handful of contents in some early states, while the second time he was the incumbent. Almost no voters were part of a "contest" at all.

ruh roh

R83, are you the poster who thought Polk was such a handsome dude?

Rep. Grijalva's statement seems entirely reasonable to me

[quote]For those who insist "But Democratic voters wanted him after TWO primary seasons!", he was anointed last time after a handful of contents in some early states, while the second time he was the incumbent. Almost no voters were part of a "contest" at all.

Stupidest take in history.

In fact, R88, low information idiots like yourself really should not be permitted to vote. Because you are an idiot. You are poisoning the discourse with your laziness or your mendacity (one or the other).

Joe Biden received 20 million votes in the Democratic primary in 2020. 53% of the people who voted in the Democratic primary voted for Joe Biden.

How does that amount to "almost no voters?"

He'll trip and break a hip and that will be that.

CNN goes there with major headline (online): "Democrats Start Moving Toward Kamala Harris"

(main headline as of 11am Fri July 5)

[quote] CNN goes there with major headline (online): "Democrats Start Moving Toward Kamala Harris"

Everyone is on standby waiting for it to be official. Any campaigning Biden does in the meantime will just be seen as a waste of time.

Kamala can't win.

Bullshit.

This is a Republican campaign, just like reality programming, of style over substance.

If Trump were president during Pearl Harbor, he would have sided with the Germans. There would be no Israel today because there would be no Jews.

Wake up Bibi.

Give Joe the win and live to fight another day.

Noise, Noise...

A committee is being formed! Buy stock in "Tar & Feather" now!

[quote]Sen. Mark R. Warner (D-Va.) is attempting to assemble a group of Democratic senators to ask President Biden to exit the presidential race, according to two people with direct knowledge of the effort.

I think she could get enough "Trump is pretty bad, but Biden's past it" voters. No fan of hers, but she'd call our Trump's lies just fine. She's intelligent, it's her political skills (appeal) that concerns me.

[quote] The only thing Biden gets angry about is his aides giving him bad news.

Well that, and when the kitchen forgets his tapioca pudding.

Kamala is a racist idiot NOBODY wants her except for a few.

And Joe running like Trump is pure selfish ego. Though better because my politics MOSTLY align with his. But to say his running is selfless is beyond the pale. It's like saying a movie star is truly humble. But those pushing him to run is as they say beginning to look like elder abuse. At some point you have to take away the car keys no matter how angry they get. But the Dems have been proving to be very stupid as of late. They should have realized a year ago Biden was in poor health cognitively and it does not get better and thrown themselves before a more viable candidate.

He's in denial / delusional.

Gramps needs to go.

R100 - “Fix your dementia in two weeks Joe! Fix it! Two weeks!”

Barbara Boxer knew when to retire, and had the good sense to not seek re-election in 2016. She was in her late 70s.

[quote] Gramps needs to go.

His entire presidency has been a scripted puppet show. And the puppeteers actually running the government like Jill never received a single vote.

The West Wing once addressed a similar though less pre-planned and pernicious situation. A dramatized one night coup vs an actual four year coup.

[quote]They should have realized a year ago Biden was in poor health cognitively and it does not get better and thrown themselves before a more viable candidate.

The Democrats should have come up with a plan after the Ruth Bader Ginsberg incident. A plan to ease out people who may be liabilities in the future. The party needs a complete overhaul away from people who have one foot in the grave.

"In Denial: Democrats Livid that Biden is Digging In"

I thought Biden grudgingly agreed that the interview was "one last chance" to change perceptions?

[quote] Biden fans are blaming reporters but the press is just letting the public in on what’s really being said.

After those same reporters were co-conspirators the last five years denying Joe's senility

"Kamala is a racist idiot NOBODY wants her except for a few."

Like White Supremacists and Kremlin supporters who want to send most of us, The Woke, to Concentration Plantations?

Kamala is feared because she is not hated by Black men, who kinda find her fuckable.

Well how perfect a president that black men find fuckable. Well they can get lost because though as racist as any plantation owner Kamala likes her meat white.

All I know is if he does bow out it must be within the next week. Because the longer he takes, IF HE DOES INDEED BOW OUT, it will be used against democrats and the candidate of why it took so long, accusations of misleading the public and even manipulating an old man. I’m not team bow out, I’m just throwing that out there. I personally think he should but I’m neutral. I’ll let the power players make that decision. But if he bows out and it is not this week the democrats WILL LOSE THE WHITE HOUSE.

R113 you tried it. I’m sick of people fetishizing interracial couples. She has dated black men including the famous mayor of San Fran for years.

[quote]The upcoming days will be closely watched as lawmakers return to Washington on Monday. Democrats from both chambers are expected to speak privately over the next few days — conversations that will likely serve as a venue to air their grievances over Biden’s performance and try to chart a path forward.

Jeffries will meet with Democratic ranking members on Sunday, and it’s expected that Biden’s viability will come up. And in the Senate, Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) has approached Senate Democrats to organize a discussion on Biden’s path to reelection, while Schumer will hold a routine leadership meeting Monday night, which will allow him to meet face-to-face with several members of his caucus.

“Biden is a very decent human and a legendary leader in many ways. I have no doubt in his ability to make good decisions and finish out this term as POTUS,” said one House Democrat after Friday’s interview, granted anonymity to speak candidly. “But frankly, he’s just not up to simultaneously being POTUS and being a compelling reelection candidate. It’s too much for him, and while it’s obvious to pretty much everyone, he seems stubbornly blind to that reality.”

I have checked a few trustworthy news sources and the reaction has not been good to anything that's happening. Most people want him to step down. He's clearly not what he once was and most people see a very elderly man who should be getting ready to play with his grandkids in peace. Particularly the under 50 demographic. I find this whole thing sad but it is time. This should have been identified and all sorted out behind closed doors then announced. It shouldn't be happening publicly.

Whatever happens, needs to happen quickly. Senior Democrats are backgrounding him to the press and others are starting to come out publicly now. Apparently there is a letter from house Dems being prepared to Biden asking him to consider not running.

This was the opposite of Kenned/Nixon where, if you read the transcript, Biden wins over the Trump word salad.

But we live in a Mark Burnett world of style over substance.

r117,

Asked and answered.

R115 Go ahead to a vomitorium. Yeah she dated them for advancement and to gain black cred. But her behavior during the Floyd riots was despicable and she totally lost me there when I was a supporter and then she was put in charge of the border which was catastrophic. Maybe she eventually got there but it took a while.

In any case if she is the nominee we are lost. There is no way she can beat Trump. And throw in the incompetent Newsom(the white man) who is driving people away from California...Biden couldn't last a year if elected. The Dems have so royally fucked up.

Like someone here said no Dem learned from Ginsburg.

[quote]There is no way she can beat Trump.

We'll see in 2028.

𝐒𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐝 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐑𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐨 𝐈𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐝𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐖𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐒𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞

“Yes, I was given some questions for Biden,” Ingram told ABC News.

The host added that those questions prevented him from pursuing additional lines of inquiry.

“I didn’t get a chance to ask him all the things I wanted to ask,” Ingram said.

Ingram told ABC News that he was given five questions by President Biden’s aides. He ended up asking four of them in the course of a 17-minute interview in which Biden gave lengthy answers — including a response of nearly 7 minutes to his final question. Here were the questions:

1. Can you speak to some accomplishments that we may or may not be familiar with about your record, especially here in Wisconsin?

2. What’s at stake for Black voters this election?

3. A lot of people have been told their vote doesn’t matter. What can you say to them?

4. Let’s talk about the debate: Can you address some of the concerns about your performance and [former President Donald] Trump’s ridiculous remark about Black jobs?

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If the interviewer had gone off script and asked Biden what day it was I wonder what answer he'd have received

[quote]Yeah she dated them for advancement and to gain black cred.

Why would a black person need to date a black person to gain "black cred"?

[quote]But her behavior during the Floyd riots was despicable and she totally lost me there when I was a supporter

"Riots" pretty much gives you away as a Fox News addict, but I'll play along. What did she do that was "despicable"?

[quote]and then she was put in charge of the border which was catastrophic.

What do you think she should have done in regards to the border? Keep in mind that the VP has no power to change any rules, regulations or laws?

r122, so it was more of a Trump Rally.

Biden talked about what HE wanted to talk about.

I still wish the election were tomorrow, no matter which way it goes, so it would be over and everyone could go about their lives without it hanging over our heads.

Biden needs to move up his official nomination. Has Ohio been settled yet?

[quote]Why would a black person need to date a black person to gain "black cred"?

r123 Tell me you're not Black without telling me.

What a goofy-ass question.

Doesn't matter, we are back to a Drop Of Black Blood to make you Concentration Plantation eligible to be 3/5ths of a person in Trump's America.

r129 This hyperbolic scare-tactic is tired. Most of us are more worried about paying bills and shit at this point. That "Gonna put y'all back in change" go-to Dem campaign strategy doesn't work anymore because most of us didn't see a change in our lives one way or the other regardless of who is in office. Mfer's are still out here struggling to make ends meet. So, it's whatever at this point.

*chains

𝐅𝐈𝐕𝐄 𝐌𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐃𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐜𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐬 𝐓𝐞𝐥𝐥 𝐉𝐨𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐃𝐫𝐨𝐩 𝐎𝐮𝐭

Judiciary Ranking Member Jerry Nadler and House Veterans' Affairs Committee Ranking Member Mark Takano are among those who expressed they want Biden to end his White House bid.

Reps. Don Beyer, Adam Smith and Joseph Morelle, the top Democrat on the House Administration Committee, also said Biden is done for

Bunch of Putin stooges.

Looks like this is the week it happens.

R127, Program 2025 is not hyperbolic?

If people put this in the category of Trump being Trump and ignore the corruption of the Supreme Court, then you are being palliative for an American horror in production.

Sorry, not gonna wake up seeing my neighbors loaded on busses to evacuate our city with me.

R130^^^

r134 Have you actually read through *Project 2025? I'm still working my way through it, honestly. Thus far, it's just a reiteration of the same conservative agenda that's been around since like the 80s.

There are many policy proposals that I disagree with, but none of them involve me being whipped and slaving away on a plantation humming spirituals. In fact, the last time I even came close to that level of subjugation was when I had the audacity to give my mother lip and, frankly, I don't remember much about that encounter because I didn't even get the opportunity to finish my sentence.

So basically he's lost the House Dems and the jury's still out on the Senate Dems. My guess is Schumer and Jefferies deliver the news: that he no longer has the party's support. What he does then is anyone's guess, but I hope he steps aside.

In your demented dreams, r137.

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r137, Oh, and the criminal Republican Party is going at Joe Hammer and Tong over BULLSHIT,

The Criminal Capitalists who bought the Supreme Court are having the corrupt Supreme Court issue UN-AMERICAN DECISION AFTER UN-AMERICAN DECISION to enslave AMERICAN LABOR. UK Voters got it after having Conservatives wipe their ass with working people through rich getting richer and workers going through AUSTERITY, Austerity is another name for TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS.

Go back and play Nikki Hayley's answer to what caused the Civil War. SHE SAID BUSINESS PRACTICES. GO WATCH IT AGAIN. The Plantation, the Military Industrial Complex (the guys whose planes are falling apart midair) White Supremacist Criminal Capitalists AGREE. It was always about making cheap labor SECOND CLASS CITIZENS.

Joe is running on building up the middle class. Republicans want Project 2025 to replace the Constitution and permanently enslave us. It all begins and ends with fucking up the vote for Republicans.

[quote] Oh, and the criminal Republican Party is going at Joe Hammer and Tong over BULLSHIT,

r140s post is so masturbatory. The people going at Joe Hammer and Tong are liberal dems.

Sorry, Troll @141, The UK voters got it.

Biden facing a perilous week in DC…

And to be clear R140, this is all happening because Biden’s only real job at the debate was to still seem age 77 like he was in 2020, and not a weak elderly person two steps from needing an assisted living facility.

He failed at that, and the whole nation saw it.

This has nothing to do with Biden’s political agenda — Harris would strive to continue that.

It also blew up the idea that presidential debates don’t ever really affect the race. This one sure did.

We should be glad this happened now rather than having a traditional first debate in the autumn.

Biden wrote a defiant “I’m the nominee and don’t fight me” letter and that’s today’s big news so far.

Fuck him. The most important thing is not that he 'does the best he can'. The most important thing is to keep Dump out of the WH. Joe no longer sees that and the power craving has gotten to what's left of his brain.

Use the 25th Amendment if there's not other alternative. Gramps needs to step aside.

[quote] Biden wrote a defiant “I’m the nominee and don’t fight me” letter and that’s today’s big news so far.

Well, at least 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 wrote a defiant “I’m the nominee and don’t fight me” letter.

As I said when the age thing popped up in 2020, I will vote for Joe Biden if he is a brain in a jar.

Since then, Trump launched a coup against the Constitution, lost defamation suits up the ass, wouldn't shut his mouth, restated he did not rape a woman, was hit with historic fines while saying the woman whose pussy he grabbed, looked like his wife Marla, but she wasn't his type. Then he was convicted of 35 felony campaign violations. He has three major pending cases. He is dirty, filthy, disgusting, and deranged. And he is a criminal whose wife stays away from him in public.

Joe must defeat this Capitalist Marionette.

'Since then, Trump launched a coup against the Constitution, lost defamation suits up the ass, wouldn't shut his mouth, restated he did not rape a woman, was hit with historic fines while saying the woman whose pussy he grabbed, looked like his wife Marla, but she wasn't his type. Then he was convicted of 35 felony campaign violations. He has three major pending cases. He is dirty, filthy, disgusting, and deranged. And he is a criminal whose wife stays away from him in public.'

And all the Trumpers know this and don't care. And his support among minorities is growing.

House Democrats are holding a closed door meeting today to talk about this. No cell phones allowed!

The equivalent of Republican's meetings with no guns.

Alas, it is looking like I was wrong. Unless something drastic happens, the Democrats are going forward with Biden/Harris as is.

I'll goose this thread back to life if things change, but for now... we get to witness a dreadful mistake.

r152, the dreadful mistake was posting your minority opinion. We got to witness THAT dreadful mistake.

Also, start a new thread and not zombie crap back to life.

[quote]it is looking like I was wrong

Shocker.

ruh roh

ruh roh

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Apparently Pelosi and others are waiting to see how Biden does at the NATO press conference tomorrow. (Thu.)

If he falters, they will push him to withdraw.

Drip drip drip...

8 or 9 Reps and now 1 Senator (the other guy from Vermont, Welch) have called for Biden to quit. His first real press conference with NATO reporters is this afternoon around 4-5pm eastern.

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Joe is the first president running against a CRIMINAL Republican candidate, a corrupt Republican Party not held accountable for their Sedition, a corrupt Supreme Court, AND a right-wing corporate media who is able to pay a$787M fine for lying to the American people, that CONTINUES to lie to the American People.

Joe Biden CANNOT DO THIS ALONE.

How did our politics, over the long term, reach such a deteriorated point?

Entire books have been and will be written on this subject, R162. I place at least 90% of the blame on the Fox/MAGA side, seems like the main problem is an entire half of the nation has been trained and shaped for decades now to be as ignorant and resentful and bigoted as possible, and so on -- but were they manipulated in this way, or were they actually in the driver's seat, and the RW media just gave them what they wanted? I'm absolutely biased so not much help.

The Dems have only until August 7 to resolve this if their candidate is going to be on the Ohio ballot.

I think that the president should voluntarily take meaningful cognitive/neurological tests to measure his current functioning, although this would not necessarily alleviate concerns regarding his ability to function in a second term.

I think that [more than] the optics are not good that he has so far refused to do so.

This is not to denigrate the successes of his current term.

r162 It all started when the DNC betrayed Bernie in favor of their golden calf (Hillary). After that, a large portion of an entire political party (Democrats) became disillusioned, said "fuck this shit," and went scorched earth. I wouldn't be surprised if the most extreme of the MAGA cultists are actually Bernie bros who now just want to watch the world burn.

LOL Bernie. He is older than Joe, turns 83 in Sept, and he is a quite marginal figure in the full story of what has happened to America politically.

M'kay, r168

r162, first Citizens United, then Evangelical White supremacists bought Fox, and then they bought the Supreme Court.

Our politics have not been corrupted, they have been bought.

Why wage a Civil War against the government, when you can purchase it outright?

ruh roh

Yeah it's happening. All signs are that the Democrats in House and Senate will really start to push. From there, Jeffries and Schumer will have to be the ones to sit down with Old Joe and tell him what time it is.

he's lost Nancy and Chuck

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"Fucking Disaster": Obama Aides Stick the Knife into Old Joe

oh Lord

omg is that real R176?

sadly, yes

here's a link to the feed

Well, we know what the first question at the press conference should be.

JFC what a meltdown.

Well all the DC Dems were looking for a green light out of tonight, to justify telling Biden to exit the race. He gave them one already and it isn't even press conference time yet.

[quote] here's a link to the feed

Let’s see if people have the nerve to falsely claim it’s a cheap fake, as they falsely claimed about the other videos showing Biden exhibiting cognitive decline.

well it's been reported by CNBC and the BBC, which are quality sources

This all could have been so much more dignified if done last week as a single unified decision.

But the next 24 hours is more dignified than any time after.

I hope Kamala is up to ordering the National Guard to surround the Georgia Legislature and start arresting Georgia legislators who are preventing the certification of the Georgia Electors' ballots.

[quote] I still wish the election were tomorrow, no matter which way it goes, so it would be over and everyone could go about their lives without it hanging over our heads.

While I agree with the sentiment, let me tell you an election will not mean it's over. Whether Republican or Democrat, the losing party will be screaming bloody murder for the next four years. It will be a cacophony of chaos.

Trump is a cockroach that constantly comes back to life. He either gets the death penalty for espionage or he will be with us till he dies, on his terms.

"Four Democratic sources with knowledge tell CBS News that they expect dozens of Democratic lawmakers over the next 48 hours to issue statements calling for President Biden to step out of the race.

The planning is coordinated, and some of the statements are pre-written, according to two sources. And it's not clear that anything Mr. Biden says in his high-stakes press conference Thursday night could redirect the expected course of events."

Since the press conference last evening, only a couple more Democratic Reps have gone on record saying Biden should quit. This "coming tidal wave" is not at all materializing yet. The newest polling data seems inconclusive, and Biden did OK last night, was cogent and knowledgeable on the whole despite two bad gaffe moments.

Maybe these "dozens about to come forward" was a bluff. Or maybe they changed their minds / got scared. Or maybe they'll wait until Monday.

And if that is all it turns out to be, Michael Bennett and The Losers, then Biden is safe.

Have you ever noticed that the great Reality Show wisdom says that after you have a disappointing challenge, wait a news cycle and move on.

Netanyahu is waging an existential war in two week increments. Biden has learned the lesson.

We will see how much the Fascist Media holds Trump to account this week....HAHAHAHAHAHAAH

"... when the DNC betrayed Bernie... After that, a large portion of an entire political party (Democrats) became disillusioned, said "fuck this shit," and went scorched earth"

Oops.