Project 2025 Says That Discrimination Based on Sexual Orientation is Okay

Love it! They only mean the other gays, not me.

It's just for the transeses! Not the gays! Gay marriage is CODIFIED! Nothing can happen to us.

Peter Thiel, ya listening?

Horrifying. Hit me in the gut like the Dem’s “Project for a New American Century” did, wherein a Pearl Harboresque event was suggested to rally Americans behind the overthrow of enemy government(s). But, this time, they’re coming for me.

R2 Wrong. This will allow gays to be fired from jobs, assaulted, lose custody of children, etc with no recourse.

OMG seriously R5! It was sarcasm...

I know exactly what Project 2025 are going to do and it [bold]IS[/bold] about the gays. What worries me is all the gays who are completely unaware of the plans of Project 2025 and Agenda 47 and don't care to find out more. Essentially, they want to remove all LGBT protections and anti-discrimination laws, LGBT language in all official capacities so we don't exist, gay marriage back to the states and send us back into the closet. And after abortion - we are next up on their list.

But no movement gets everything they want. I can't see anti-anti-discrimination of gay people passing.

Like even when Democrats had a filibuster proof majority, they couldn't get a public option with Obamacare. There are bridges that are too far.

Lawrence v. Texas will be overturned, as well.

R6 is absolutely correct.

Then you're a goddamn fool R7.

Learn about Project 2025 (100+ hard right nasty Christian lobby groups and other villains who are directly part of the Trump agenda now and the team of staff he plans to install if re-elected) and Agenda 47 (Trump's personal policies/agenda based on Project 2025).

And just because gay marriage is codified doesn't mean it can't be overturned via various methods (a bill or SCOTUS). Project 2025 want to send it back to the states like they have with abortion. Remember what happened with abortion?

And these people are in it for the long haul and they are never giving up. Never. The thing they hate most is abortion but we gays are directly next on their list. We in danger gurl.

I really don't want to be R10 but yes.

And what worries me is the level of cluelessness or outright disinterest from fellow gays about what Project 2025/Agenda 47 will specifically do to gays. I'm doing all I can to educate everyone around me but so few people are interested.

This is why Dems must win in November. If we don't then gays are fucked. It's not a joke.

Just read about what Project 2025 has planned to do to active military and our vets.

Those mother fuckers.

If any of you reading are active or vets, you better go read RFN. And tell everyone else.

Fuck those gdamn bastards.

A summary:

The opening essay of the plan, written by Heritage Project President Kevin D. Roberts, succinctly summarizes the goal of Project 2025: a promise to make America a conservative nation. To do so, the next presidential administration should focus on four “broad fronts that will decide America’s future.”

Those four fronts include:

1. Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.

2. Dismantle the administrative state and return self-governance to the American people.

3. Defend our nation’s sovereignty, borders, and bounty against global threats.

4. Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.”

[bold]Number 1 on the list means gays.[/bold]

They go into great detail in the actual 920 page document about what they want to do to us. Remove rights, anti-discrimination protections, remove language in official capacity so we do not exist because the word LGBT does not exist in any official capacity, remove information about us from sources such as libraries, public services, tv etc. - and of course - overturn gay marriage.

Please read and learn more about this.

They won't go after gays they will go after trans. They can't do anything about gay marriage it is already codified law. More than I could say about abortion which was never codified.

Codified laws can be overturned by SCOTUS and also by an introduced bill to overturn the law R15.

[quote]They won't go after gays they will go after trans.

No R15. Project 2025 clearly speaks about what their plans are for we gays. They are coming for us and if you read Project 2025 then you will find out what their detailed plans are.

Here:

How would that work? You can be married in some states but not in others so if you visit a state on vacation you are not married while you are there.

R11 and r18, I think states have to recognize marriage performed in other states.

It won't be recognized in the states which don't allow gay marriage R18. Those states which choose not to allow gay marriage will rewrite their laws to make this the case. That's what Project 2025 says.

Bottom line - those states don't want gays to live there.

*And by not recognized I mean for state legal protections which straight couples are entitled to, legal authority for your spouse (i.e. medical situations), taxation and other status issues etc.

It's not great news.

They also want to ban porn

I’m white so I will be fine

Where may I read Project 2025? Sometimes I like to be horrified so that I think I'll never be scared again.

The loss of Federal recognition of gay marriage would also likely end spousal social security benefits, even if you live in a state that recognizes gay marriage. We were already through this before. The Windsor case might be overturned, leading I think to restoration of The Defense of [heterosexual] Marriage Act.

Can interracial marriage be far behind? I'd love to see the panthers eating the face of Clarence and Ginny Thomas. Wouldn't that be a kick in the cuntbone?

Bottom line is, what's going to happen is going to happen.

Just make sure it doesn't happen to you.

Liberals had a good run in the late 20th/early 21st centuries.

It's time for the pendulum to swing back.

[quote] Restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.

R14 What about the approximately 50% of married MAGAs that are getting divorced? Will divorce become illegal? What about the adulterers? Will they be stoned to death?

[quote] Secure our God-given individual rights to live freely—what our Constitution calls “the Blessings of Liberty.”

Where in the bible does God give humans individual rights to live freely? What about atheists, Buddhists, and yes, Muslims?

@r27, Yep, just give up and take it and when they bring back slavery because the bible says... Oh, well, freedom had a good run

Nope, die fighting for your rights, because living like Russia/ North Korea is the same as being dead anyway

My take on this so far is that they want to go back to at least 1963. That was before Johnson’s Great Society, the civil rights movement gaining strong national momentum, and Federal control of companies that poisoned the environment. I don’t know if Medicare and Medicaid (started in 1965) are mentioned specifically, but it’s clear that MAGAs also want to weaken/dismantle/privatize them.

Some of the religious mandates might take us back to the 1700s when under the rule of European monarchs who dictated the national religion.

You married bitches who think it cant be taking away are deluding yourself. You talk like one guy at the top is doing this, in reality it will be all three branches of government if Trump gets in. We already know the Supreme Court would green light this, it's predicted that both the House and Senate will be majority Republican this round, and then Trump wont think twice about signing it into law giving Evangelicals what they always wanted.

^ "it's predicted that both the House and Senate will be majority Republican this round"

Fuck off, asshole. No one is predicting that except trolls and repugs

I hate you fucking trolls and your miserable lives

I hear blacks are all for the return to slavery when life was simpler and we learned trades and sang songs. Such a happy people we were

Ain't that right, trolls?

^ I don't know about that, but women sure are tired of worrying their pretty little heads about voting and working. They long for a time when the can be incubators again and bake cookies

Ain't that right, gals?

As a Gay man I know I'll be relieved when I can go back to being in prison so I don't have to worry about finding a date 🙄

R24 - I linked to the 920 page document at R17 and here's the link to their website.

Everything they plan to do is spoken about it meticulous detail.

We're so fucked.

I can't believe this shit is actually happening. I love Biden and I don't think he should step down (to do so would be even worse than him staying in).

But I just don't see how he's going to get the votes after that debate.

Again, we're so fucked.

As a poor kid I'll be happy when they do away with a free education so I can work in the factories and fields and be a productive member of society

@r37, Yes, you fucked in the head if you think that debate is going to convince anyone that psycho-boy dictator Donnie is the better choice, but you're a troll with a job to do, so carry on. Asshole

I'm out, this thread is invested with trolls who only seem to show up in the early morning. I wonder why that might be?

Yeah R39. Sure. Yell at me. That's useful.

If you think that debate didn't change a few minds you're insane. And it will only take a couple hundred thousands minds to change for Orange Bastard to win.

Do you think I like that? I fucking hate it. But it's reality.

Calling me names for expressing how fucking lost I feel makes you sound like a typical right wing bullying asshole.

R29 I guess I'm just a fatalist.

I think reading a lot of world history does that to you.

Trump is now trying to distance himself from Project 2025 even though his own Super PAC is promoting it!

[quote] Trump is now trying to distance himself from Project 2025

It’s a reality check to both sides talking about Project 2025. Both sides have the premise that once elected, Trump would be ordered by the Heritage Foundation to enact it and he would simply obey. That premise is so stupid on the face of it. It was never going to happen. It’s good that Trump snuffed the pipe dream of the Project 2025 supporters. The people who were fearful that it could actually be enacted should be happy, but of course they won’t be.

Trump will empower power people who want a straight, white America. Everyone else will be stripped of their rights and have no recourse. And if you think it can’t happen, you’re wrong. Vote like your life depends on it because it does. And spread the word VOTE BLUE.

Thanks for your contribution, R44.

You can now remove your lips from Trump's shit encrusted asshole.

If you don't think Trump is going to extract revenge and get some paybacks once he's back in office, you are as dumb as the day is long.

And hate crime will rise to record numbers! So when you’re swishing down the street be prepared for a beaten with an inch of your life, or it could be your life! Because there will be no laws to protect you! Life under trump will give haters more a a reason to do whatever ever they like with no consequences any kind of punishment. It will be free rein on people of color, sexuality and religion.

R46. Exactly! I’m hoping we don’t come close to it, I’m also not naive to think it can’t happen. It’s people who don’t think it can’t happen are as delusional as the cult and could be in for the surprise of their life.

I totally believe Trump when he says he's not a part of Project 2025. Of course, we all know how he values honesty and never lies.

Former Trump advisor John McEntee, who helped draft Project 2025, told Steve Bannon that Trump will enact it when he's elected

Trump's own press secretary is shilling for Project 2025

But, sure, he knows nothing about it

Project 2025 delivers non-Christian others to white Christian capitalists for new enslavement.

The return of the Plantation and that the Lost Cause was NEVER a lost cause to them.

Gary North was a leader in the Christian Nationalist movement. He said "God is indeed a homophobe", who "hates the sin and hates the sinner." He believed homosexuality should be a capital offense, to be carried out by stoning. Stoning is "biblically approved." Stones too, are plentiful and easy to find. They're "cheap", the execution is cost free. Moreover, it'll be a group activity; everyone can participate. Christian nationalists primarily hate gay men with a passion. They want us to suffer a violent death, to be obliterated from the earth. Of course, they hate lesbians and transgendered, too.

Trump apparently said in the last few days he is “not familiar “ with Project 2025. But he doesn’t agree with it totally. Sorry-no link.

All you can do is vote, my friends. And get others to vote. But hand wringing won't do anyone any good.

this has been not sleeping at night

r54, he also said he'd be a dictator on day one

Trump disagrees with something he knows nothing about.

R4 NEEDS TO BE EDUCATED.

THE PFNAC WAS A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN MANIFESTO.

9/11 under BUSH 43/CHENEY was therefore VERY CONVEEEENIENT.

R15, Gee, that would disappoint Caitlyn.

ugh, people like r27 keep me up at night! how can you be so DENSE

"Christian"** Nationalists hate most of all mirrors.

**Notice how they actually prefer the Old Testament and its battles, punishments, admonitions, and strictures, more than alluding to the New Testament Christ's words.

This is why they want the 10 Commandments, with its plethora of "Thou shalt not...." rules, posted in schools instead of Christ's words of forgiveness.

Evangelical Prosperity Gospel "Christians" want nothing to do with the Beatitudes.

The Beatitudes are expensive.

Plan 2025 is basically a White Christian Nationalist Fascist Wish List.

It is The South's Lost Cause hate list.

What of the most self loathing gay men l know, thinks Project 2025 is a great idea.

He’s also a staunch Catholic, and refuses to believe that Evangelicals do consider Catholics to be ‘Christians’.

^ Peter Thiel?

[qote]Trump apparently said in the last few days he is “not familiar “ with Project 2025. But he doesn’t agree with it totally. Sorry-no link.

"there are good people on both side"

2024: ""I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it," bla, bla, bla, [bold]I wish them luck,"

If young people, especially women, don't vote.........they get what they deserve. These are very scary times.

Yeah, but when the plane goes down, why do we have to be in the seat next to them?

Trump shaking hands with the Heritage Foundation fucker who was just calling this the next American Revolution:

I'm like Mark Cuban...because the stakes are so high and there is such peril to us and the nation as a whole...I'll vote for Biden on life support or any other Democratic candidate over this filth!

I’m a Democrat and I’m FURIOUS with the party. We should be focusing on Project 2025, but everyone is obsessed with the debate. We need to support President Biden. We need to stand together and shut the fuck up about that goddamned debate. Move on! We need to fight against Project 2025. It doesn’t matter if Biden steps down or not. It’s important to support every Democratic candidate.

R66, I think you mean "Evangelicals don't...." (Source: I'm Catholic; in-laws, including 2 ministers, are Evangelical Congregational.)

Little Miss Abigail Disney is withholding her donations until Biden steps down. MAGA is all over this.

“I had a father who died at 92, but at 81 I took away his car, and it was a very simple test for me,” “If you were driving from downtown Beverly Hills to Malibu, would you want Biden to do it at night? Would you want Trump to do it at night? If the answer is neither, you cannot have them running a $27 trillion company called the United States.”

God, what a dipshit. First of all America is not a corporation, it's not supposed to be run like a corporate pyramid where the CEO is at the top and everyone else is a subordinate. We have 3 branches of government Abigail.

Secondly, Biden is not driving around town, he had a driver Dear, Secret Service and all the trappings of the presidency, so yes would not mind Biden out and about at night. Motor skills are not the same thing as cognitive ability. But more importantly, he is surrounded by very smart advisors and leaders who do the actual work. His record proves that. So your implication that you would not trust your 91 year old father to drive a car is irrelevant because your 91 year old father only has a spoiled grand daughter to talk to.

R75 Poor analogy. My uncle drove until age 95 when he started having problems with his peripheral vision and decided on his own to stop.

^^You are correct. Thank you. I DID mean don’t.

Stephen Miller did ads for Project 2025

Does anybody else these Stephen Miller looks like Adolf Eichmann?

Biden needs to ignore the Hatch Act and send Pete out, and ALL the Cabinet, to rebut Trump's shit.

Trump's lies are so numerous that if he is held accountable by Biden's surrogates, than Biden can run the country and run for President.

We are living in a Game Show Mark Burnett Real Politic world.

My President needs to address it.

Bump

[bold]They want to DE-FUND the Ryan White Care Act. Throwing millions of people with HIV into the streets without money for medications. Hello HIV outbreak. Hello rare cancers missed you guys.

[quote] Can interracial marriage be far behind? I'd love to see the panthers eating the face of Clarence and Ginny Thomas. Wouldn't that be a kick in the cuntbone?

I'm not sure, if they would go after it. If it did happen, they would be knocked down several pegs

R75 Fuck Abigail Disney

I'm sure they'll be thrilled with doctors and pharmacists refusing to prescribe Truvada for religious reasons 🤔

I don't know "Project 2025"

He was just the coffee boy

Not really, r79.

But he does resemble closely Goebbels. Would that there was another similarity. 😈

Millers eyes are dead; as was Goebbels’.

Hope it spreads, r88.

Amen r73

r90, be furious with the media that spins political debate into reality show contests.

We need to revolt against the MEDIA.

Get the fuck out of here with your FAKE NEWS bullshit r91. It wasn't the MEDIA that caused the SCOTUS to start taking away rights and giving more power the executive branch.

Focus, people, Focus!

I'm still trying to go through the Project 2025 stuff. But, do they mention anything about wanting to gut services for people with disabilities or wanting discrimination of disabled people to be decriminalized.?

I worked in case management for a home healthcare company for several years and dealt with disabled clients and their spouses, POAs, guardians etc. I have also volunteered with non-profits that aid people with disabilities since the mid 2000s. While I have met many great people and families through my past job and volunteer work, I have met some disabled people and or/their families who have their own prejudices such as homophobia, racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, anti-atheist etc. Some of those people and/or their families are huge Trump supporters and they ignored or downplayed the incident of Trump mocking the disabled reporter back in 2016. One of the people I know is a woman whose son has been disabled for many years due to a brain injury from a car accident. He functions at the level of 10 year old. This woman is the type of person who will post memes on Facebook saying that it's not ok to make fun of disabled adults and children, then she posts tons of memes calling various politicians or celebrities "retards". She still loves Trump of course. She has also posted tons of vile things about immigrants and the meme about the Border Patrol should use alligators. This woman and other Trump supporters I know who have a disabled loved one or are disabled themselves have posted on social media about various financial issues they face and they have mentioned this in some Zoom meetings or in person meetings that I have been to.

I have friend and clients from my past job who aren't Trump supporters, but they would be negatively effect if services were gutted or if discrimination was decriminalized. I do worry about them. The Trump supporters I know have become difficult empathize/sympathize with because of the vile beliefs they share with Trump despite him making fun of that disabled reported.

r92, but it is Media that spun "Trump is just being Trump" bullshit into a mantra of acceptance.

It wasn't fake news, you made it REAL news.

Fuck you, Magat, go buy a snake flag.

Ain't nobody here stopping you r94 and your little protest sign from hanging out at CNN HQ.

Project 25 says NO-FAULT divorce should be illegal. Project 25 is the devil’s handbook. If steven miller and jeff bannon are swinging it around, it’s real, it’s bad and you better take ti seriously

[quote] Project 25 says NO-FAULT divorce should be illegal.

It would probably be easy to compile a list of policies like that from Project 25 to show why Trump would never support it.

^ Don't forget John "Trying to Get the Homeless Arrested" McEntee

Heritage Foundation pres gives Trump credit for Project 2025

Those who say it won’t happen…Roe v Wade, anyone?

Straight white Christian men want to take this country back to the 1950, or perhaps 1850s. You’re delusional if you think they don’t want to, and don’t have a plan to do it. They don’t give a rat’s ass about Trump, he’s simply a means to their end. They’d like to fix it so they don’t even need to depend on the President, or even Congress, as they’ll have a whole army of like-minded federal workers handing us our asses on the regular. Bureaucracy is where the real power lies.

[quote] Heritage Foundation pres gives Trump credit for Project 2025

Trump didn’t even write his own book, The Art of the Deal, but we’re supposed to believe he ghostwrote a 992 page book providing a detailed government assessment and hundreds of political policies?

Trump also wrote my $69.99 Bible

Well, maybe, like God, he "inspired" it r101. Somehow they channeled all the wise and wonderful Trump plans into one big book.

No, just like the Federalist Society compiled Trump's list of corrupt judges to nominate to the Federal Benches, Project 2025 is the compilation of policies the same Criminal Capitalists want Trump to institute for the complete purchase of the United States. Trump gets to wake up at 11am, while America burns.

Get your pink triangles out.

Why does he give the Nazi salute?

I don't know her

Project 2025 is a wet fever dream for all the right-wing lunatic fringe nuts who have propelled the US into all the hate since Trump was elected in 2016.

The Heritage Foundation gives Trump “credit” because they know he won’t implement any ideas not perceived as “his”. And even then, they’ll have to catch him on a good day.

Spread the message.

[quote]The [WHITE] Heritage Foundation gives Trump “credit” because they know he won’t implement any ideas not perceived as “his”.

Like the List of Nominees from the Federalist Society implemented to corrupt the Supreme Court?

Ryan Walters, the far-right head of Oklahoma schools, wants this in charge of the state's social studies standards

EVIL AS ALWAYS = GOP.

The Heritage has always wanted to do shit like this but they can't implement it. It is wishful thinking on their part.

They lost their shit and had to go full bore on corrupting the Supreme Court when Lawrence and Obergafel were decided for teh gays.