Genoa City Summer

Link to the previous thread.

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see what happens with Conner and his OCD.

I miss Vanessa Prentiss

Where the hell is Lorie Brooks when you need her? We need something heavy going on.

is pig nose Nina still on? How did they get rid of Jill?

R5 Junkyard JIll is in London being treated by Snaps, but she's still around. We saw her barking her lines into a web cam last week. Look for her on Monday as well.

I love how there's a Chancellor-Winters corporate board meeting, yet there's no secretary there to record the minutes. Not even ditzy Esther? .. And if Jill was against the split up, why didn't she talk FIRST to try to make her case?

Dear gawd in heaven. Alan says he just read Traci's novel "Echos of the Past" and couldn't put it down, saying he stayed up all night to finish it. .. He must watch Lifetime Television for Women as well. .. Let's not introduce Alan to Danny Romalotti. .. Traci might miss out.

Harrison Harrison Harrison ... Think anyone will ever start calling this kid "Harry?"

We need Gloria back fulltime.

The board has like what, five members? This show doesn't even try. Can we at least move past this ridiculously boring CW storyline that NO ONE cares about?

In recent years, I only turn it on for a couple minutes at a time.

What strikes me is how, lately, they’ve given up on blocking.

So many scenes where almost everyone is sitting. It’s visually inert. There is no sense of movement.

[quote] Let's not introduce Alan to Danny Romalotti. .. Traci might miss out.

Guess who shows up in Paris next week.

Could I get an interview?

R12, you made me laugh!

OMG! .. Nick actually mentioned Christian.

It stinks here

Agreed. Stinky cheese and tuna nastiness that would get them banned at their "home boards"

Aunt Jack seemed downright giddy over the prospect of Traci gettin' some from Alan. .. Made me laugh. .. Girlfriend wants the deets.

And of course, Alan is a big fan of Rock On's. .. Gee .. If Danny and Cricket want to tell Alan a funny story, they should recount the time when Cricket Blair Teen Model found Traci with her head in the oven, and instead of calling 911, she called Danny to come over. .. They waited so long to call emergency services, I'm surprised Traci didn't end up brain dead.

Please, no .. just no to Shick 4.0 or whatever version release this would be. .. And Nick doesn't want to try dating apps? .. Why not? .. He'd be VERY popular. .. Or, he could also just go hang out in the GCAC Steam Room.

Goat Daddy sure did like whatever that was he was scarfing down at Crimson Lights. .. It looked like the same croissants sitting in front of the quartet in Paris.

Did anyone else notice JaBottom's butt hanging over the end of that bar stool at Society? .. Best scene of the day.

Dear Gawd in Heaven. I thought Y&R had finally stopped playing that old record about Daniel being responsible for Cassie's death.

Let's review:

!) Being underage, Cassie wasn't even supposed to be at JT's keg party, but had to go, because she knew her "crush" Daniel was going to be there. She put on makeup and wore these ridiculous disco boots to try to make herself look older. Plus, she was already grounded due to bad behavior, and to go out, she lied and begged her parents to let her out one night to go to the movies with her friends.

2) Because Daniel had been drinking, he knew he shouldn't drive, so he did the RESPONSIBLE thing and crawled into the backseat of his car to sleep it off.

3) Unbeknownst to Daniel, stupid Cassie decided she could drive her crush home, so without his permission, she took his keys and got behind the wheel of his car.

4) Being only 14, Cassie had no driver's license, plus she was wearing those silly boots - not good for driving, ever.

5) Cassie ran them off the road and crashed the car; she could have killed the sleeping Daniel, who wasn't even strapped in with a seat belt. It was believed Cassie herself hadn't been wearing a seat belt (why she was thrown from the car).

6) Cassie was in the hospital and post-surgery was considered stable .. that is UNTIL she decided to take off on her own, walking the dirty streets of Genoa City.

7) It was that action that led to Cassie's infection worsening and turning into SEPSIS, so she basically KILLED HERSELF.

Cassie’s arms weren’t as FAT back then. Sigh.

Wouldn't a couple of houseplants in red and black wigs be cheaper, and equally effective, as keeping the Tessa and Moo-riah actresses?

Traci sweats like a pig.

R18, were Daniel, JT, and their crew of legal drinking age?

What was the name of Lily’s friend (or maybe she was Cassie’s friend?)? The actor was related to a higher up on the show, I think.

Also, whatever happened to Cassie’s Corner at the coffee shop?

Lily and Colleen’s friend was Sierra (Oreo Cookie, as they referred to her on old message boards). The actor (Asia Ray Smith) was related to then head writer, John Smith.

Is this the same show that had Adam play gay, dress like a woman and gaslight Ashley, burn a fetus in the fireplace, and run a little girl down like a dog in the street? And now he drinks coffee and zooms with Miss Connor?

I love how mother-of-the-year Victoria is just now asking Katie about school. She's been home how many weeks now? Also I hope Katie's turn to being nice to Claire is only a ruse to get close to her so that she later shoves Claire into a burning building.

Thanks, R23! I liked that character.

I noticed today that they've finally removed Brytni Sarpy from the credits. .. I guess "executive in charge" Steve Kent must finally be earning his pay, having looked around and asked, "Who the hell is this 'Elena?' character, and why is the actress still on-contract after nine months of not being played?"

R22 JT would have been 21 that year (2005), since Coleen helped him celebrate his 19th birthday in 2003. And I believe Daniel had just turned 18. (He was said to be that age not that long after when he and 17-year old Lily ran off to Vegas to get married with her forged consent form "signed" by her bio-father Malcolm). And yes, one of the charges against him when Cassie was still alive was underage drinking while the more serious charge of DUI was erroneous.

I just want Chance to reveal as much flesh as possible on a regular basis.

Regular probably ain't gonna happen now that Chance has been bumped to recurring.

[quote]I noticed today that they've finally removed Brytni Sarpy from the credits

I supposed Brytni could go back to General Hospital as Valerie Spencer. However, GH used her even less than Y&R did.

Is that pig nosed tramp Nina still on?

Nina. I do not appreciate people sashaying into MY office unannounced.

Looks like someone bought a postcard of Pittsburgh at Sunset.

Where is Aunt Jordan these days? Asking for a friend.

Aunt Jordan's getting to know her new cellmate, Large Marge.

She never knew prison could be so much fun!

Audra’s gettin’ some BBC on Monday.

It would be news if town slut Audra wasn't getting cock

Traci’s mussy is moist! Can Alan even find it? Get out the flour and roll Traci in it.

Alan better bring a can or two of Blow-Off Air Duster.

R40, Another suggestion for Alan.

Susan Walters is the best actress on the show. I really never felt much about the character, but she really zings it.

The best thing this show could do is dump Nikki, Victor, Jack, etc.

The characters are all played out. Hell, they were played out 20 years ago.

Pity most of her scenes are with Jabottom and Aunt Jack

I don't want to alarm you but your Jack is an impostor.

Speaking of BBC, Queen Fairman reports that a casting call has been issued for a black actor to play a prominent contract role. Mid-forties with no less than 10+ inches.

Can someone please arrange a day pass from the asylum so Miss Connor can take Lucy-Woman to get an age-appropriate hairstyle?!

Uh, Lucy is busy stalking dull-as-dishwater Faith to bother with her hair.

The lezzies disgust me! No Tessa and FAT Mariah!

R23 why did they call her Oreo cookie?

Of course, Paul doesn't want annoying Heather and OldLady Lucy dropping in on him over in Lisbon.

He's got a new Portuguese houseboy he's breaking in.

How could Old Lady Lucy not be popular when her grandpa is Danny Ravioli? She could brag he's a hit in Paris right now. How does a strictly bowling alley/cheap cruise ship act rate that???

I'm surprised Faith didn't ask Sharon why this strange 35-year old woman was giving her a bracelet: "She doesn't think I'm like Tessa and Mariah, does she?"

Claire Claire Claire!

Is Griffith trolling poor Camryn? He has waiflike Tessa watch Moo-riah stuff her face on a park bench for their anniversary? Will they go swimsuit shopping at Fenmore's next?

Why is international singing sensation Tessa working as a hostess at Society?

R56 Tessa's tour came to a SCREECHING halt when she developed some problem with her vocal cords a couple of years ago. She had to have surgery on them. I don't remember the exact outcome, but she hasn't sung much since then. I think the idea was that she might still be able to release songs online now and again. Right after that, she took a non-singing job (at Marchetti).

I wish we could have a story where Nikki's total lack of business expertise, education and only being where she is because she is Victor's wife lead to the destruction of Chancellor Enterprises.

[quote]Nikki's total lack of business expertise, education and only being where she is because she is Victor's wife lead to the destruction of Chancellor Enterprises.

That would definitely be a story! Quite a wild one.

Nikki's inexperience at Newman Enterprises leads to the destruction of Chancellor Enterprises.

But we've seen wilder business stories than that on Y&R. So bring it on!

At this point she’s actually held legit corporate jobs for 30 years though.

I’d like to see the story with a newly entitled spouse or adult kid tho.

When will Danny be making his next music video? Seriously though, this show was on all pistons during the brief time of Cricket, Nina, Phillip, Danny, realJill, Tracy making fun of fatty, and that gimp secretary up in everyone's business. Oh, and Niki trying to find a replacement for her when she thought she was dying. Oh yeah and a Brad in the shower when that crazy lady with the beautiful hair was holding him hostage. I loved Niki's sister KC. I was in highschool on the couch with a broken leg. I loved this show. I fell in love with Phillip. When the leg was done I gave up on the show but I do remember it being really good. I've watched various clips on YouTube from time to time. Sheila was the most. I almost tuned back in for her.

Nikki actually has more corporate experience than DuhVon, Lily, and Billy.

DuhVon inherited his $2.7 billion. Before that he was a former street kid turned wannabe recording artist-producer. He went to college, but his degree was in music.

Lily and Billy are both nepo babies. Lily's path to the corporate world is much like Nikki's. She started out as some kind of model, then got into cosmetics. And just as Nikki bought her way into Jabot some 25 years ago by paying off the company's loans, Lily was handed a job by her father/brother to work at Hamilton-WInters. Can't recall? Was that before or after she was in prison?

And we all know Billy's story. If he weren't an Abbott, then Fuck Up Billy would be the cellphone counter clerk at Walmart. After attending one semester at GCU, he dropped out.

Let’s not forget Mrs. Newman’s foray into politics.

[quote]At this point she’s actually held legit corporate jobs for 30 years though.

Yet she still manages to come across as being in her very first week on the job.

How dare you forget Billy’s venture as one of the world’s most exciting podcasters!

Billy's best job was using his trust fund money to buy "Restless Style" and turn it into a quasi-tabloid that did exposées on the townsfolk.

Waiting for the day when Miss Connor decides to do a school report on his dad and comes across the article elaborating Adam's lust-filled hookup with Rafe. Billy got the details from longtime buddy Rafe.

Y&R is so boring! Yawn.

Mami still forcing cottage cheese on Traci while everyone else gets pancakes for breakfast?

That Tessa character comes across as mentally challenged. The way she was acting in the park with Mariah—baby talk, giggling, the silly fantasies—she just seemed develpmentally disabled, or special ed, like she needs a case worker and a conservator. Then, out come the stupid hats that look like they were made in a special day class.

I heard Y&R is spending the most money in decades on the new set for Tessa and Mariah's new digs.

It seems like they've been spending quite a bit on new sets lately. They had no less five new sets for the Ashley story in Paris; and there was the hotel suite in Baltimore for Adam and Chelsea. They've also reconfigured or added to the Chancellor Park set for the new space that everyone seems to be going to now (where Nate first brought Audra to watch the fake sunset).

I live in Baltimore and never saw Adam or Chelsea walking around!

Tessa is useless.

Remember when Tessa's trashy sister Crystal was being trafficked by that hot pimp Zack and Alice Johnson, Cassie's adoptive mom? What happened to those kinds of stories?

Hi bitches

OMG, R75! How I loved Victoria Mallory as Leslie.

So Traci chooses Hollywood over getting to take a rice on Alan? She's probably really running off to get a Full Brazilian Blowout. This could take awhile. .. btw - I wish she'd stop giggling like a schoolgirl.

I'd be excited about DuhVon and Blabby getting married, if they'd go on their honeymoon and never return. Bon voyage.

The only way I'll enjoy Victor's takeover of Chancellor-Winters is. if at the last minute Jill comes in and blows him out of the water. It would still lead to Billy's dismissal, Lily's too. .. Then she can tell Victor to go fuck himself.

If JaBottom and Summer are going to go to battle, she definitely needs to unearth that chemsex video he did with Theo when they were living in New York.

In other news, Melody Thomas Scott is back to sucking lemons during her scenes.

Mel’s been on the ozempic diet. Her face has sunk into her head.

OMG that scene where Drabby poured out her heart to Ashley on their tablets was idiotic to the core. Abby OWNS the place, doesn't she have an office?(Sets, sets - I know) - but who talks about such a private matter like that, with diners all around you??? I was praying Dull-Von would come in and overhear, the one time the stupid show didn't pull that.

And what happened to the BUILD UP to this epic pool party where Old Lady Lucy gets killed? Bitch Face Faith and her new bestie apparently get drunk and don't know OLL is the back seat. You know it's the SUMMER teen story we have all been waiting for!

Also, why would Drabby burden Ashley, who's battling multiple personalities, with her insipid relationship drama with Dull Von? I did love how Drabby basically trashed her entire "romance" with Chance. Cow.

Beth Maitland dishes on Traci and Alan

I hope Traci gets some good D.

It would really suck if Alan ends up being a scammer......but it is Christopher Cousins playing him, so......that's his specialty.

[quote] And what happened to the BUILD UP to this epic pool party where Old Lady Lucy gets killed?

I was hoping for some kind of "Carrie" moment with Old Lady Lucy sneaking into the pool party where some bad boys in sexy swimwear would pull an embarrassing prank on her.

This would send her into mental mode and her "Daisy Carter" genes would kick in to become another crazy bitch on the canvas.

Of course, they'd have to have a pool set to have a pool party, and where the hell is that? It's already going on August, and no one's been seen at a pool yet. That's not summer on Y&R.

When was Beth Maitland’s snatch last diddled? Asking for a friend.

Traci was married to Steve for 20 years (separating in 2013), but the fact that they never had any kids says A LOT.

The parade of cute twink interns at the publishing house kept him happy!

Please, Steve was as gay as an Easter parade.

Too bad Steve didn't show up in town while PC3 was still there. If he had, PC3 would have never had to fake his death so he could move away and come out.

Did Dummer ever officially adopt Harrison?

R87 No. And JaBottom threw that factoid at her during one of their bitchfests this week.

You've got to admit nobody cries like Mel.

R89 Ahem!

Shut up clone.

So was that scene in Paris with Audra way back in mid-June IT for Fucker McFail ??

Trevor St. John's no longer in the credits, and his photo/bio has been removed from Y&R's cast page at cbs.com. Funny, though, you'll still find actors like Jacob Grimes (Moses), Kelsey Wang (Allie), Mishael Morgan (Amanda), and Brytni Sarpi (Elena) on that page. .. I guess middle-aged white guys don't do anything to promote the (fake) impression of how diverse this show is. LOL!

R92 I predicted six months ago or so TSJ would leave the first chance he got. The writing for the character was horrible. When his hypocritical, asswipe son Duhvon takes the moral high ground on him constantly there’s a problem. Plus he lost in every situation on the show. No one wants to play a loser all the time.

I hearts Casey

R94, thanks for the post! I don’t remember Lucas dating Casey at all. Who did she catch him in bed with, Leslie?

Ahhh, back in the days when Roberta Leighton looked human.

R95 Lucas is the man that 28-year old frigid Casey finally had sex with. (She had never been with a man because of Nick's childhood sex abuse.) The story was built around Lucas and Casey first connecting emotionally before getting physical. .. As I recall, even after they finally "did it," Casey still wasn't all that thrilled.. lol.

Also, Lucas was still part of the never-ending L-Quad. I think when that scene in the clip aired he was in something of a triangle with with Jonas NoLastName and "Pris" (blonde Leslie's alter ego). Jonas would want her to remain "Pris" while Lucas was trying to jog her memories to be Leslie again. Maybe he tried doing it with his dick.

I still say Casey should have been brought back.

With a bag over her head? .. Even 25+ years ago when Casey showed up after Veronica Landers pumped a load of bullets into Nikki's mid-section, all viewers on message boards talked about was what she looked like. She looks worse now and like Joan Van Ark might look even scarier in HDTV. I'm not sure she can open her eyes. From last month:

^What the f is that creature??? Beyond scary!!!

I literally gasped

If JaBottom goes to Paris, shouldn't he check in with Cousin Theo?

They're perfectly legal in France.

Holy fuck, she looks like a burn victim.

Did someone say, "burn victim" ?!?

She looks a bit like Mary Williams

Hans and Mel would never allow it but Kim Zimmer would play the fuck out of nuCasey.

A childhood sexual assault victim? Put Kim's name on that fifth Emmy now!

Genoa Summer Sausage

I want dad bod Daniel and drunk Sharon to start fucking, setting the whole town ablaze with scornful judgement.

I would rather nutjob Sharon to dispense bat shit crazy advice all over town. She should tell Chelsea and Adam to forget about Connor, and concentrate on their romantic partners.

[quote] A childhood sexual assault victim? Put Kim's name on that fifth Emmy now!

No thank you. I really don't want to see a 70-year-old woman talk about her childhood sexual abuse, especially one who hasn't been around for 25-years. Plus, the other principals involved (father and mother) are both dead, and Casey and Nikki covered all that back in 1979. Finally, I sense that "Casey" is one of those characters that if she's not played by the original, then viewers would be immediately turned off. Others like that have been Brock, Lorie, and now someone like Paul. Leighton kinda fucked herself with the bad work, because if it weren't for that, I'm sure her buddy Mel would have lobbied to have her show up for special occasions or health crises.

[quote] I want dad bod Daniel and drunk Sharon to start fucking, setting the whole town ablaze with scornful judgement.

I have this vague memory that some HW teased something like that happening quite some time ago. I'd have to think exactly when that was. (Of course Case, still looked normal back then, and it was very believable that Daniel might be attracted to a sexy MILF.) Many (myself included) were kinda hoping it would happen, if only because it be sure to make Phyllis' HEAD EXPLODE.

R110 I was sorta half joking, especially re Zimmer, but you're probably right.

Still, I think Casey was in the background enough that they could do some sort of recast, and even if it was something like having Nikki help Casey if Casey were dying, it would be a nice way to revisit that and add shading to Nikki's character. The Jordan story was OK - helped by Zenk's fearless, nutty performance - but it was a retcon.

I suppose they could recast Brock too but at this point with Kay dead (and Brock's portrayer too) it's sort of pointless. I still wish they'd bring in Brooks Prentiss and make him a new focus of the show.

I miss the days of Jeanne Cooper giving her ‘son’ Beau Kayser blowjobs in her dressing room.

The dentures Wilma Jeanne would remove might still be in her old dressing room as a memorial.

Who hasn’t Sharon fucked on the show except Daniel? He would be great. And Phyllis would go through the roof, making them resume their fights, like falling down stairs and cliff hanging above waterfalls.

[quote]Who hasn’t Sharon fucked on the show except Daniel?

Don't think she ever fucked Duhvon or Nate.

JaBottom has, so far, escaped her bed.

Ditto Cole Howard.

Has she ever trapped Billy Boy Abbott in her spider web?

Did she ever sleep with Chance? Or was that just flirtation?

did Sharon actually fuck Vic?

Sharon fucked JAck, NIck and Billy around the same time and didn't know who the daddy was

I wish you hadn't posted those recent pics of Casey. Thanks a fucking lot. She's my all time favorite soap character. UGH I didn't need that. I would prefer to remember her like this. What the fuck. Do you think she thinks she looks good?

a very, very brief super couple. They killed that romance way too early.

R116 Yes, she actually did, but - PRAISE THE LORD! - they didn't actually show it.

Traci sings fat. I loved Y&R when they did whatever the fuck they wanted with the scripts and had a huge budget.

Snapper and Casey turned into a big tease. I would not call them any kind of "supercouple." The whole time they worked together, Snapper was married to Chris. And while those two had a few ups and downs, neither of them ever cheated on the other during their marriage. In that regard, they became something of a soap opera anomaly, especially since they were in their ninth year marriage when they moved to England. And frigid Casey only slept with one guy during the years she was on (Lucas). Because of what Nick did to Casey, she was portrayed as the total opposite of promiscuous Nikki.

Roberta Leighton gave David Hasselhoff blowjobs back in the day. Before she fucked up her face.

[quote]Waiting for the day when Miss Connor decides to do a school report on his dad and comes across the article elaborating Adam's lust-filled hookup with Rafe.

Enabling Connor to decide it's okay to put the moves on Johnny.

R124 That should have been the reason for them telling Connor and Johnny that they're half brothers.

Wasted opportunity.

Sharon did indeed fuck Chance

My suggestion would be that, if Sharon's going to continue having hallucinations, then one she should have is being in bed with Nick, but then she rolls over, and on her other side is Adam. Then, Sharon looks up and sees Rey crawling in next to Adam, while Chance is already lying next to Nick as he reaches across Nick's chest to stroke her hair.

This would outdo the threesome scene that Days aired in 2022.

I could never stand Cassie. She looked like an oatmeal cookie. I always thought they killed her off so Sharon would not have a daughter close to birthin age.

Cassie would have grown up to have fat arms, like Mariah.

What about me, bitches? I had to birth that cunt Sharon.

I'm surprised that Mariah didn't eat Cassie in the womb

R128 The rumor back when Cassie was killed off (19 years ago!) was that then EP/HW Jack Smith didn't believe that CG had the right look to be a lead soap ingenue going forward.

R115 I was being partly facetious. Of course Sharon hasn’t slept with some of the newbies. And who would wanna sleep with the noxious Duhvon except Abby, but she’s got a pea size brain. But Sharon has been through a lot of them.

Who has - on camera - slept with more men, Nikki or Sharon?

Why they couldn't just recast Cassie, I don't know.

I don't recall Sharon sleeping with Billy Boy.

When did that happen? Who was playing Billy Boy?

Pretty sure around the Restless Style era that Sharon slept with Billy in some trailer?? Billy Miller was playing him.

Billy's affair in the trailer was with Boretoria. .. I remember him (Miller's Billy) having sex with Sharon in a room at the GCAC. I think Sharon had served Jack divorce papers and gotten herself a suite at the GCAC. This was also during her shoplifting/stealing items phase. She and Billy were drowning their sorrows together at the bar, which led to sex up in her room. I think it was a pretty brief affair, and only happened two or three times over the course of a month or so, but enough to later put Billy in the frame for the subsequent "Who's the Daddy?" with Jack, Nick, and Billy being the trio of candidates.

^^^ I was going to add it was a 2009 February Sweeps event.

[quote]it was a 2009 February Sweeps event.

So, that was Maria Arena Bell's doing That was after Billy and Mac (Clementine Ford) were no more, but before they put Billy and Victoria together.

And it was after Sharon and Jack split up but before they paired her with Victor and later Tucker. Or was her pairing with Adam in there someplace too?

Someone please refresh my memory.

At some point a decade or more ago, Sharon was in Hawaii and nearly fell into a volcano as it was erupting. What was that all about? Seems like she was involved with Adam (Michael Muhney) at that point. .

R140 Yes, it was MAB. Billy's larger story at the time was that he'd just learned that he, not Cane, was Cordelia's father, and he was having issues committing to baby mama, Chloe.

Billy was still the bad boy and didn't see himself settling down, thus his random hook-up with Sharon (who was still his brother, Jack's wife) played into the idea that he was still this wild playboy. (Plus, Sharon returned to Jack not long after this fling, so they would eventually play the "slept with brother's wife" angle.)

Sharon's pairing with Adam (Muhney) came later toward the end of 2009, after the fall out from the "Who's the Daddy?" (Nick was Faith's father) and after her divorce from Jack.

During Sharon and Billy's short fling, Adam (still played by Engen) was in prison and devising his plan to fake going blind as a way to secure release and serve the remainder of his sentence under house arrest at The Ranch.

Clementine Ford didn't join the show till Spring 2009, which was after Billy and Sharon's fling. Mac came home just as Billy was marrying Chloe at The Mausoleum.

r141

I think Adam's ex fell in the volcano... I wanna say her name was Skye?

Yes, it was Skye Newman who fell into the volcano, Sharon was there and tried to save her, but couldn't.

Laura Stone (Skye) was the bomb. Very good actress.

What were Skye and Sharon doing on a volcano that was about to erupt?

Were they looking for the Reliquary?

Maybe they were trying to avoid Brad Carlton's thighs of death.

R145 Skye had faked her death and fled to Hawaii. Don't recall the details, but this was part of some wild plan of Victor's to frame Adam for Skye's murder. Sharon was trying to prove Adam's innocence and tracked Skye down to some rural village on one of the islands. Sharon ran after Skye to take a photo of her to prove that she was still alive and somehow Skye slipped and fell onto the first ledge of volcano. Sharon tried to save her but couldn't and Skye fell deeper into the hole, never to be seen again. I think this was some old, inactive volcano. There was talk back then that since it would be impossible to recover a body Skye might have survived somehow and decided to continue faking her death on her own.

Shirtless Chance alert!

A surprise appearance by Cameron Kirsten ... hallucination version.

Lily to DuhVon: "You are relentless. It's like hearing a broken record." .. At least one of the writer's has a sense of humor.

Why couldn't Devon just tell Lily in her office - with the door closed - what Icktor was up to? When was the last time we actually saw someone's kitchen on Y&R? We never see Mrs. Martinez making any of her goodies. We see mega rich Victoria's kitchen as part of the tack house, but they don't even have windows for that kitchen.

I hearts Sheila.

I've just read Linden Ashby's interview at SOD online.

I think this storyline with Cameron and Sharon Case sounds pretty good. It reminds me of when "Figment" continued to appear to crazy Tricia Dennison after Matt/Carter died. That was intriguing material, not to mention a hoot at times. Hard to believe that went on over 20 years ago.

"Abbott Chancellor. That's a terrible name, isn't it. Has the stench of failure."

-- Victor Newman

I wish one of the ABC soaps had stolen the guy who played Brad. He deserved better than salami town. Probably the hottest actor on daytime, ever

I never catch the show live but was in a hotel the other day and saw Sharon.

OMFG WHAT THE FUCK DID SHE DO TO HER FACE?

Between her work and her dentures she looks like Phyllis Diller's grandma!

R155 Case obviously had some cosmetic fillers, but I think something may have gone wrong because she even sounds different (to me), which could mean the material leaked into her sinuses. That would be my guess. It's possible things will "settle in" after awhile and she'll eventually look better. We've seen that happen before. I remember way back in the day when Tracey Bregman (Lauren) had some work done. Something happened on the right side of her face up near her eye, and she had to wear her hair a certain way to cover it. Also, has anyone noticed that Mel's eye work is better on one side than the other. I think it's the right eye where it often shows a dark circle crease under it, absent on the left side.

Mel looks like she's about 300 years old. She'd look better with some fat in her face. Right now everything is sagging toward her shoes.

At least she doesn't look like a Picasso.

Sharon was in a scene with some young teen girl and she was twisting and holding her head a certain way, only filmed from the left side of her face. It was bizarre.

Sharon is having something of a nervous breakdown, hallucinating seeing and hearing Cameron Kirsten. I'm not surprised she's making faces the way she is. She looks perfectly normal to me, just a bit stressed out. And I haven't watched in several months.

R160 The audience knows that Sharon is off her bipolar meds.

I'm sure with there being so many presentations of the illness, people who are bipolar will behave differently, but I think Case is doing a good job showing the changes in behavior when people go off their meds.

What I'm seeing from her, is almost exactly like a friend of mine who is bipolar. There have been several times when he's had his meds changed by doctors and/or he's "neglected" to take them, and I've been able to tell very quickly that something's up with him. It starts off with subtle things. Like being distracted, becoming very unreliable, and talking out loud with no filter. I've never asked him about Hallucinations, but I've read that's not uncommon. I'm thinking that the longer Sharon is off her meds, we might eventually see her cycle through periods of more intense depression and mania.

[quote]The audience knows that Sharon is off her bipolar meds.

Copy cat.

It's about the only thing they can do.

Make Sharon a serial killer, not guilty because she's off her meds. Burn the Newman ranch down again, this time with the whole family there. Then we find out Clare did it, to get everything.

Chelsea, Miss Connor, Ashley, and now Sharon. What's in the water in Genoa City causing all these mental problems?

R165 Apparently, it's the same water that Bill Bell was serving the gals during that year or two back in the 70s when we had depressed and suicidal Sally, soon followed by Loonytunes Leslie wandering off and getting lost 'in her sister's shadow" and ending up a Jane Doe in a New York asylum. Around this same time, we also had Wackadoo Nancy Becker getting carted off to the nuthouse, because of what her husband, Ron, was doing to her. That story came with Peggy Brooks, now psychologically-traumatized because Ron had raped her. And of course, there was always Kay Chancellor, the town's resident "dipsomaniac" (how Bell referred to her once). The Old Battleaxe tried to kill herself more than once during these early years. And I'm pretty, it was during this same time that Brock had to bust in and save the depressed JoAnn Curtis from killing herself after she'd stuck her head in the oven. She wasn't looking for dinner that time.

Re: Adam — what was the final resolution about his vision? I know he played up being/going blind but didn’t he actually have an impairment?

Similarly, can someone remind me how Devon’s hearing impairment was fixed. He hasn’t worn the cochlear implant in years, but I can’t remember how his condition was reversed.

I was swooning at Billy man spreading on the couch in Lilly’s office in that gray suit. Jason Thompson is sexy as fuck to me.

R167 Originally, Adam came up with a plan to get himself out of prison by faking that he was coming down with his mother's genetic-based retinitis pigmentosa causing blindness. .. To do this, he began injecting botox in his eyes to fool doctors. .. But what happened is that during this ruse, the fickle finger of fate intervened, and Adam actually started to show real symptoms of the disease. Some time later when he was legally blind, he underwent a state-of-the-art operation to restore his vision that was being done by some whiz-bang doctor in a clinical trial. As I recall, it had something to do with implanting some miniature devices in his eyes??? ( For all intents and purposes, such an operation doesn't exist in real life and there is still no cure for retinitis pigmentosa.)

As for DuVOn his hearing was restored rather similarly. Bio-Father Fucker used his wealth to find an out-of-state doctor who was restoring hearing with some kind of miracle surgery. The problem with that one is that we'd already seen DuhVon have cochlear implant surgery. And it's my understanding that once someone has that done, the cochlear is so modified that no future surgery to restore hearing will be possible. You have to have the natural cochlear. That's why some deaf people opt to only have it done to one ear, so that they'll always have one ear available to take advantage of any future advances in the field. .. Like with Adam, DuhVon's surgery sounded like science fiction as well.

R169, thank you so much! I couldn’t remember the details on Adam and don’t think I was watching much with Devon.

It would make so much more sense, to me at least, to just have Devon to continue wearing the cochlear implant apparatus. The original story was pretty powerful and well-done (much like Abigail’s story on Guiding Light).

I wasn't watching by then but was Phillips gay fright return from the dead storyline as dumb as it seemed?

R171 I gave Maria a pass on that storyline because I totally agreed with her that Latham's horrific "Cane is the Real Phillip" retcon had to be undone somehow, someway.

Was what she did the best way to go about? Probably not. But I'm just glad she did. File under: One Bad Retcon Might Result in Another to Undo It.

Why haven’t Adam and Heather run across each other yet? They used to be quite involved back around 2009 (with Vail Bloom as Heather) when Adam was busy seducing Rafe. If I recall correctly, she caught them making out or having just blown each other or something (fuzzy memory of that s/l).

Anyway, it’s weird that they have yet to cross paths in any of the four eating establishments available in Genoa City.

Also, Faith is a little cunt. Fuck her. I like Grandma Lucy.

Miss Connor will rain vengeance on Faith for her treatment of Grandma Lucy.

R173 Heather never walked in on Adam and Rafe. That was Nikki who spied the two men kissing as she peeked through the doorway to Adam's bedroom at The Ranch. Nikki silently stepped away and later at the hospital got a good chortle over blabbing the news to Victoria that Adam was gay. None of the Newmans were homophobic in their reaction. Vicki was surprised but after some snickering, almost felt sorry for Adam, thinking that he was closeted because of the pressure and notoriety of being Victor Newman's son. A week or two later, Nikki told Nick. He was pretty nonchalant about it and was more concerned about Adam's deception, thinking that if he's lying about his sexuality, then there are other things he's being dishonest about. .. And Victor Newman loves his gay son.

Nikki eventually wrote Paul a note about Adam's affair with Rafe - thinking he should tell Heather about her boyfriend's deception. (Nikki did this when she skipped out on her wedding to Paul.) This led to Paul telling Heather, which then led to Heather's big blowup scene with Adam out at The Ranch. I remember laughing during this scene, because Vail Bloom sounded like a very nasal honking goose as she shouted her lines. We now know (from her) that she had a bad coke problem back then that was affecting her work and led to her abrupt departure from the show and the quick recast with Eden Riegel.

I didn't get from their last scene in Paris that Alan was going to accompany Traci on her trip to Los Angeles.

Sounds like they may taken their relationship to "the next level" while there OFF-CAMERA.

Aunt Jack seems overjoyed and notes how "giddy" they are. Meanwhile, Billy looked liked he was trying to imagine what position they use to prevent Alan from being crushed or swallowed whole.

I imagine 'Alan' is the evil twin? No doubt a twist no one gives a crap about. If 'Alan' goes on a killing spree, please don't forget the Newmans.

Has Y&R ever had a good murder/trial plot line?

I cant remember a good trial but for murder that blonde woman back in the 1990s... Paul was in it up to his eyeballs. A more faithful viewer will know what I mean.

I believe her name was Cassandra Rollins

R190 Are you talking about the infamous Cassandra Rawlins played by the beautiful blonde, Nina Arvesen?

Cassandra wasn't murdered. The murder charge Paul was up to his eyeballs in was for Cassandra's old, sick husband, George Rawlins, who actually decided to kill himself and frame Paul for his murder. George did this after he found out Paul and Cassandra were having an affair. The audience knew all along what George had done, so there was no big mystery there. The hook was whether or not Paul would be able clear his name. As I recall, the trial was starting, but Paul, faked his own death (with his father and Victor's help) and went undercover to investigate. They did a big location shoot in Bermuda and this is when Paul discovered that Cassandra was also involved with another man named Adrian Hunter (Mark Derwin).

This was very similar to the story about 10 years earlier when dying Vanessa Prentiss killed herself and in the process framed Lorie Brooks for her murder. There was a trial for that one, though, hinging on the testimony of young Brooks Prentiss having seen Grandma at the typewriter.

^^^ Typo: meant R180

The 2011 story "Who Killed Diane Jenkins?" was a BIG murder mystery. ... Retconned now, of course.

I think there were something like 10 suspects. Lots of artsy promo spots were aired as well.

Nina's cop son, Ronan Malloy, was on the case. Viewers began to joke that Ronan's white board at the GCPD should get a cast credit. Sony even set this special page up at Y&R's official website called "Inside Ronan's Desktop" to let murder mystery buffs track things.

And Diane was dead dead dead.

Murphy didn't find her corpse till the next morning when he went fishing and had to pull her body out of the water.

The real star of the mystery was that memorable green and white Diane Von Furstenberg wrap dress that they had Maura West wearing before Diane was killed. Maura must've worn that dress for a month to tape all those scenes with all those characters.

The Lorie Prentiss murder trial after Vanessa framed her, juping off the balcony. Little Brooks remembered seeing nutso Granny typing on Lorie's typewriter, so that was enough to not convict. It had a lot of gothic moments. Vanessa resting in the coffin, face intact after jumping from a high rise, lol.

The Twitter activity of the Y&R actors is more interesting than anything going on on this boring show these days. Eric Braeden is always going in on people (usually Trumpers) who disparage him for his liberal views and is not afraid to straight up call someone an asshole 😂. On the flip side, Doug Davidson is total MAGA. Always going after Joe and Kamala and always being called out for being a disappointment because of it. I’ll admit, I had no idea he’d be so far gone. I thought he was better than that.

Check out Nina’s trial re David Kimble.

David wasn't dead, though. Nina was on trial for his attempted murder. They wheeled David into the courtroom in his hospital bed. He was faking his catatonic state. Jill Foster Abbott took the opportunity to grab David by the nutsack to try to prove he was faking it. He was able to maintain the ruse, but the audience heard David screaming in his brain. Nina was ultimately found not guilty. That was when David decided to fake his death and started a fire in the hospital, putting a dead body from the morgue in his bed.

Oh David. Now I remember him. He was the gay who played a bad guy on nearly every soap, a Matlock, and a Diagnosis Murder.

Classic Jill and David

who sliced up David's face? Or was that another soap.

R192 After David faked his death with the hospital fire, he went to a plastic surgeon and told the doctor to make him look like David Hasselhoff. The surgeon figured out that David was a wanted criminal and wrote "KILLER" on his face instead. That's why David had to don his Colonel Sanders disguise when he came back to Genoa City to get his revenge on Nina and Cricket and start wooing Nina's mother, Flo, as "Jim Addams."

He played like the same exact character on Ryan's Hope and One Life to Live.

David turned out to be a killer. His real name wasn't David Kimble, but "Tom Harper."

We learned that Tom had murdered his first wife "Rebecca Harper," then he murdered a friend of Rebecca's named "Vivian Wagner," after she came to Genoa City, trying to track him down to get justice for Rebecca.

Trivia: The actress who played Rebecca in the flashbacks (Kelly Garrison) returned a year later to play Michael LaBaldwin's former sexual harassment target and first wife, Hilary Lancaster Baldwin.

[quote]He played like the same exact character on Ryan's Hope and One Life to Live.

Ryan's Hope and SEARCH FOR TOMORROW. Michael Corbett was never on One Life to Live.

Did Michael Corbett and Chris Bernau hook up with Alan Dysert during that photoshoot?

Drew Pillsbury was hotter than Michael Corbett.

Alan Dysert was so incredibly fucking hot.

Didn’t George Rawlins kill himself by putting a gun in a block of ice?

R200 No. I believe Adrian was also the hired assassin whom George had hired to shoot him dead with a gun that was then planted to make Paul look guilty. Anyway, the famous scene you're thinking of with the melting block of ice was Adrian trying to kill Cassandra. Hero Victor saved her just in the nick of time.

Next on The Young & the Restless ...

Billy goes from agreeing to bow out of Abbott-Chancellor to kicking Lily to the curb. .. How does that work? .. Jill's not dead yet.

Dianejenkins asks Aunt Jack if he's willing to get his petticoats dirty to fight Victor and save JaBottom? .. Seriously, at this point, anything Jack v. Victor is total snooze.

Sally's question to Adam would be far more interesting, if she were asking him, "Yes, or No? Did you have a Grindr hookup while you were in Baltimore?"

Melody is a horrible actress. They gave her big words today, 'hubris' and 'chasm' lol. Like Nikki would know either. So I'm assuming Lily and Billy's argument at the Athletic Club was for show?

R203 I don't think so. Lily and Billy have been squabbling like that for a few episodes now, with it getting worse each time. I'm not sure who they would have been putting on a show for. They were down in the Jazz Club when they were arguing, while Victor and Nikki were up in the dining room of the GCAC.

Oh Lordy, I took two weeks off and NuFaith and Old Lady Lucy have gotten themselves into a pickle.

Is this the story where Sharon forgives Daniel so they can start fucking?

Is Danny using a walker yet?

Geez the acting was soooooo bad when Nick/Sharon, Daniel/Heather found their respective daughters side by side. Case over the top, no real reaction from the other 3. Do they have direction? And cheap, cheap we didn;t get to see the car crash.

SPOILER ALERT!

Catherine falls off the wagon and starts drinking again. Esther quits in disgust.

How did Jeanne Cooper ever deserve an Emmy? Sorry her haminess was funny, not Emmy worthy.

I saw her once on a Big Valley episode. She was very pretty when she was young. She still sounded like she was 86 though.

The Old Battleaxe never lost her smoker's voice. Neither has that NuJill who wears jewelry from the Wilma Flinstone collection and barks her lines like a junkyard dog. And I suppose if your ass is that wide you have to wear pants suits.

Anywhere Kelly Monaco could fit on the canvas?

Are you the same Kelly Monaco troll from the B&B thread? Are you her mother or something?

Watch out Alan!! Tracy’s pussy is dripping wet!!!! She’s ready to get stuffed.

In hindsight, Jeanne getting a facelift on camera was very shrewd. No matter the outcome, the audience was on the journey with her.

Sharon Case seems to be morphing into a gargoyle with startling speed, and it's quite jarring.

R215 Eileen Letchworth did it first on AMC years before Hambobe Cooper, Y&R(Bell) & AMC(Nixon) were blatantly stealing from one another during the mid 70's. After Jeanne took off as a drunk, suddenly Ruth Warrick's Phoebe became one on AMC; Y&R copied the Phil/Tara marrying themselves with Brock/Jill doing the same. Leslie had a mental breakdown on Y&R, and months later so did Erica(though that was a good way to write the pregnant Lucci off).

I'm loving the parade of hair-don'ts that MTS has been sporting lately.

Kelly Monaco IN as NuDoris Collins.

Doris to Sharon: "Girl, what have you done to your face?! Let me refer you to my own cosmetic surgeon! As you can see, he's taken 20 years off, and Nick just made a pass at me!"

Speaking of hair, what grade motor oil is Joshua Morrow using on his hair?

[quote]Sharon Case seems to be morphing into a gargoyle with startling speed, and it's quite jarring.

Very true.

I first noticed her face seemed different during the Cameron Kirston reprise last year. She likely had had subtle work before that but suddenly when Cameron was back stalking her, it was startlingly noticable.

Now, she just looks even more bizarre . Almost like she's getting a new procedure every other week. Doesn't even give the procedures time to settle before doing the next one.

No pancakes for Traci.

Today, with her hair pulled back, I actually thought Sharon looked a little better, like whatever she had done is finally beginning to "settle in" a bit or something.

oink oink

Is Sharon going to kill Lucy? I have a feeling that's where we are headed. Then Daniel can be redeemed for stopping her, and keeping it hushed up. Then Sharon will seduce him.

If only R224 was writing this dumb show

Does Traci hide pancakes in her dusty old twat?

Beef broth, cottage cheese, and weight watchers bread for Traci!

They could do an Ozempic PSA with Traci.

Alan becomes perturbed over Traci's 20 lb weight loss, telling her to STOP! "Look, Traci. I love the way you look. Your size is the main reason I was attracted to you in the first place.. I just love getting lost in your massive rolls of blubber! .. And if I wanted someone thin, then I'd fuck a twink ... which I do, by-the-way, every other Thursday. All the cute bell boys at the GCAC offer exquisite full-service!"

When they started this Cameron Kirsten ghost haunting Sharon story arc, I rolled my eyes in disbelief.

But now I'm totally into! Love Cameron egging Sharon to give into her anger and get revenge. Can't wait to see what Sharon ends up doing.

Dexatrim makes Traci's head itch.

Ho hum. The Genoa City Business Hour continues.

Okay, do they want us to hope that The Old Goat succeeds in causing Billy Boy to fail? They're writing Billy as such a pathetic looser now, that there's no rooting for him. .. And I'm totally bored with Thompson's rendition of the character. At least when Miller's Fuck-Up Billy acted stupidly or brazenly, there was still some charm and humor in the portrayal. .. And did I miss it? There's been no Skyping Jill to comment on Billy getting rid of Lily -- the CEO whom Jill hired? .. Oh right, Lily told DuhVon that she didn't want to "bother Jill" with this. WTF?

I wonder what Chance will do if he quits Chancellor? .. I think Only Fans could be an viable option.

On another note, Adam looks so "summery" NOT while playing in the park. Wardrobe puts him in ALL BLACK for a scene like this? Do they have only one color palette for Grossman? For crying out loud, the guy used to be a model! Would it have killed them to put him in some white short-shorts? Miss Connor could have joked, "Dad's having his own Labor Day White Party."

Is Sharon going to kill Lucy?

Today was learned that Tracey Bregman's SAG insurance is good for another year.

Chrissy's selling his Beverly Hills condo located about two miles from the studio. I wonder if this could mean even less time in L.A. and more time in Nawlins.

Are Christian and Tracey even really needed on this show anymore? Aside for nostalgia reasons I say no. Michael Baldwin was greatly diminished and turned into the ultimate bitch when he begged Victor for another chance. Chloe too is useless and is just another Adam basher. The show has plenty of these. Jason Thompson doesn’t hit the mark all the time with Billy, but has had some funny lines against Victor lately, like today when he told him to walk out to the pasture and stay there lol.

[quote] Are Christian and Tracey even really needed on this show anymore?

They're definitely not needed if Alan and Traci are going to be installed as the new, lovey-dovey recurring couple that fraus get giddy over. Those two probably cost less too.

Tracey likes to spend time at her Nashville ranch. She’s loaded by the sounds of it.

Hasn’t Christian been sick?

Chrissy works about 5 days a year. He’s dough loaded.

From what I know, LaBergman got a pretty hefty divorce settlement when she and Mr. Recht called it quits after 23 years. He's been a commercial and multi-housing property developer-constructor in Southern California for close to four decades now, so given the market during this time, their marital assets were probably significant. In her court case against Lloyds for the house in Malibu that burned down, it was said that she'd insured the place for $9 million, and her claim was that they were low-balling the rebuilding costs and not fulfilling the policy. She's since bought (two) large horse ranch type properties in Tennessee. Chrissy and his husband have also made out well flipping real estate. They sold a house in the foothills of Sherman Oaks for a profit and downsized to the condo in Beverly Hills. When the condo sells, the profit off that one will be another $300K. They've also bought, renovated, then sold places in New Orleans for profit. Looks like the house they have there now is going to be their forever home.

Both Tracey and Chrissy might like the camaraderie of being part of the show, but it doesn't appear that either one of them really need this job.

Tracey has said she and her ex remain quite friendly.

An ex-wife doesn’t remain close with a rich guy who didn’t give her her fair share.

R240 Yes. They remain friendly. I've seen him show up at family events.

Tracey’s tits get lifted once a year. And not by Chrissy LeBlanc! lol

When Bergman first got her boob job they were GARGANTUAN. She was showing them off every chance she got. She looked like she was attending the Adult Video Awards instead of the Daytime Emmys. She's only 5'4. That must be a horrible strain on her back.

She'd have to look like Sean Carrigan for Chrissy to pay attention to her chest.

I thought Bregman was shorter than 5’4”. I thought she was very petite, maybe topping off at 5’.

Her bios say 5'4, but maybe she's shorter and just never takes her 4" stilettos off.

I'm still dead bitches!

Sean Carrigan was so hot. He looked so much like one of my favorite st8 porn stars.

Couldn't act worth a damn, but that's not unusual for soaps.

I didn't think Carrigan was that bad. .. However, I would agree that the last arc where they turned "Stitch" into Mariah's kidnapper was horrific.

One thing I remember is that when JFP created the new role of "Dylan McAvoy" specifically to hire FOJ Steve Burton, she cast Carrigan as his recurring military buddy and talk-to, "Stitch" Many Y&R viewers (myself included) weren't familiar with Burton and had never seen him on General Hospital, so both he and Carrigan were brand new to them. The prevailing sentiment was that Carrigan was the better and more interesting actor, and they would have preferred to see more of him than Burton.

Sean Carrigan was great in his first stint. He was very captivating. Much more interesting character than Burton's Dylan McAvoy.

His return where he kidnapped Mariah was awful Character assassination on the level of turning Jaggar on GH into a revenge minded fed or Paul Hornsby on GH into a serial killer.

Lucy's fixation on Faith reminds me of Tootie's on Jermaine Jackson. Will a paper mache bust of Faith be making an appearance?

Meanwhile, how fat is Moo-riah going to get before Tessa leaves her? Claire and Kyle are going nowhere, so maybe "Clessa" or "Taire" can be a thing.

No flour products for Traci.

Flour is only allowed to roll her around in to find the wet spot.

Claire needs to grow a penis and then Jabottom might be interested.

I'm still sad about the way Casey looks. What possessed her to do that to her face?

Even if Claire had a penis, she'd need a personality transplant to become a top who's capable of satisfying JaBottom.

Holy fuck! Mariah has gotten so FAT! She’e entering Traci territory. Svelte Sharon Case can still get it. The FAT actresses, not so much. MOOOriah is a fat pig.

Traci and Brad were laughable together. He always belonged with Ash.

Sharon's dreamy delusion featuring Nick should have had him appearing to her buck naked. .. Isn't that how sex fantasies usually work?

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SHARON >> Nick?

NICK >> Sorry to wake you. You just look so beautiful, peaceful .. I couldn't resist.

SHARON >> Oh, Nick. Does this mean you still want me?

NICK >> Of course, I do, Sharon. .. But how can you tell.

SHARON >> Those 9 1/2 hard, throbbing inches staring at me are making it abundantly clear.

It's too bad Sheila never beat Traci up.

Wait till Sheila has plastic surgery to look like Traci.

It's only when Traci is trying to stuff a trayful of Mrs. Martinez' muffins down her throat, thereby choking her to death, that Lauren realizes that it's actually Sheila.

Lauren screams, "How crazy are you, Sheila? You're willing to gain 350 lbs just to kill me?"

That storyline would be a zillion times more interesting than the dreck we're being served now

Icktor wandering around like Satan, pulling the strings on all of the other characters is soooooo stupid, if there is no payback for this creep. I think Chance going back to the police force means one thing - a murder, or attempted murder plot is imminent with ole Vic the victim.

R262 Victor ain’t going anywhere.

R262 There do seem to be some things aligning that could lead to that. But I think it would have to be attempted murder, because I pretty much agree with R263 -- unless for some reason Hans has decided to retire before he can't waddle around and mumble any longer.

Thirty years of Sharon Case.

There's an action-adventure stunt coming up.

[quote] In the lead up to her anniversary, The Young and the Restless has revisited some of Cases’ favorite storylines, but here, the actress is referencing an action-adventure story that kicks off the week of September 23. “When Sharon was younger, I did a lot of stunts,” she reminds. “It was hard work as a young person, but I have wanted to do more action over the years – and that’s happening now. Be careful what you ask for!”

[quote] This beauty boasts a regular regimen of going to the gym a few times a week to take yoga classes, work the machine circuits, and sweat it out the elliptical – but that didn’t quite prepare her for shooting an action storyline at 53! “It’s exhausting, physical work,” says Case, whose only workout these days is onset. “It’s harder than going to those emotional, dark places. Even if you are physically fit, there’s different kinds of fitness. My hands are always very sore, because I don’t normally do… what I can’t tell you I’m doing!”

Sharon a serial killer??? I'd love it.

Sharon was legitimately scary this week when she was screaming at Lucy at Crimson Lights.

Who hasn't wanted to scream at Lucy? She's annoying AF.

Lucy needs to spend more time with her grandmother, Phyllis.

Lucy would annoy Phyllis so much, Phyllis would strangle her after about 20 minutes.

It's midi-September. Shouldn't Faith have already gone back to Ann Arbor to start Fall semester by now, and Lucy be in her second or third week of classes at Walnut Grove?

Lucy was last seen at that dive bar on the outskirts of town where Nikki always goes to get wasted in private. She’s sneaking leftover drinks.

Interesting. Amy was forever ago. Wondering how this will play out.

Just what this show needs .. another character on Social Security!

My only guess would be Any's being brought in to work a case as a private detective. Last we saw, Amy worked for Paul and Nathan at their detective agency. Amy was like the precursor to Lynne Bassett-Hound, only Amy was smarter, savvier, prettier, and definitely a better actress than Lynne. By the time Amy left, she was actually doing some detective work at the agency.

After Amy's love interest, Tyrone Jackson, left town, I believe she soon followed to see if she could make things work with him. (Headed for Los Angeles or San Diego, as I recall??) Tyrone's brother, Jazz Jackson, who was always sweet on Amy was still in charge of security at Newman Towers, but he was subsequently never shown. So by the late 80s both the Jackson Bros and Lewis Clan (Amy, Frank, and Loretta) were gone. .. On the GCPD front we got the memorable Detective Salena Wiley (Fay Huaser) who seemed like a replacement for Amy. Eventually, we got the Barber Sisters, who both became involved with Nathan; then Neil Winters was added, followed later by Malcum.

Is Jazz coming back too?

Stephanie E. Williams replaced Valerie Pickford on OLTL. Now is Valerie is replacing Stephanie on Y&R.

R274 Doesn't say anything about Jazz coming back. Doubtful. They'd have to recast that role as well. Jon St. Elwood hadn't appeared in any TV role since 1987. And it's been reported that he died last year. This is not on IMDb, but that's what it says on Wikipedia:

[quote] On September 19, 2023, Jon St. Elwood passed away at the Veterans Home in Yountville, CA.

Could we get Gina back? At least she'd be younger.

Gina Roma played by Patty Weaver? She's 74, which is 10 years older than Pettiford.

The signature makes me think you meant Lynne or someone. Skip? Carole?

So Amy is back to maybe usher in a small black family (?).

The actress who played Carol has been dead since 2011.

I think now that Traci’s using her dried up old snatch again, Amy’s returning to get advice from Traci on how to reopen her musty old gash.

Eric Braeden's been dead for 20 years but still he manages a few shows a week!

Maybe Amy will return as some sort of detective or cop. Wasn’t her father (played by Brock Peters) on the police force with Paul’s father?

YR was the weird show where some black dude pretended to be white. Or was it the reverse?

They should have Casey back as a serial killer. She's already got the clown face.

They should totally cast ((((((BELCH))))))) me! Me as Casey!!!!!

you're too fat Kim.

[quote]They should have Casey back as a serial killer. She's already got the clown face.

I resemble that remark.

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Actually, if they're just going to have Jill Foster Abbott Sykpe most of her appearances for these business meetings, they might as well bring BrendaD back. She could probably handle that and look absolutely FABULOUS doing them.

Welcome to My Skype!

"Phyllis? .. Phyllis, is it? .. I do not appreciate you sashaying into my Skype unannounced!"

I hope ghost Cameron gets a contract and hangs around talking shit about everyone to Sharon until CBS pulls the plug.

Figment Cameron is like dead Matt Clark was to nutty Tricia Dennison. .. Rick Hearst and Sabryn Genet were equally entertaining. (Dear Gawd in Heaven, 23 years ago!)

Rick Hearst can sit on me anytime!

Victor’s jeans in R293’s clip. Wow.

^He looked sexy in those mom jeans.

Was Cousin It standing in for Nikki's hair todaY? She's almost 70 and looks ridiculous.

They've been trying out a parade of hideous hairstyles on MTS, each more ridiculous than the last. I pray they keep it up as it's about the only thing that livens up this dreck of a show.

So there’s no one at Y&R who can tell Mel Scott that no, you are not going onscreen looking like that? Hideous hairstyle.

I tried but she pointed and laughed at me.

is no. 3 Aunt Jack?

No 4 is Gloria Monty

No 3 is Mr Eva Tits LaRue - John Callahan. Apparently Eva wasn’t enough for him.

No. 2 could be Michael Park from ATWT. The soap was still on 15 years ago.

Billy Masters had already penned a very obvious blind item about his alleged bathhouse activities on his way to work in the mornings.

I remember that r304, and I dared to suggest it was Scott Holmes. His "biggest fan" was not pleased to say the least.

R305 The original item had to be Park, because Billy - who wrote blinds with actual clues - placed the daytime actor in the Big Apple and referred to him as "our jack of all trades." There was also a line in there about "walking across the park." Apparently, daddy was on the hunt for twinks during his bathhouse visits, a scenario that still stirs the imagination.

[quote]#3 - This ABC soap actor got fired back in the day because he was using the network's phones to call 1-900 numbers and spent tens of thousands of dollars.

#3 is John Callahan who played Edmund on AMC. During his time on there, he would stay in his dressing room late calling 900 numbers. (All this happened while he was married to Eva LaRue). When TPTB questioned him about these high phone charges, Callahan blamed a janitor. AMC then fired the janitor.

This was detailed in the now infamous Jossip column about Carolyn Hinsey's firing in 2009.

[quote]#1 - This former A list evangelist got this soap actor fired because he didn't like that the character was a pimp. This actor also was on an iconic coming of age show.

So, of the four soap blind items, we've already solved three of them. But what about #1? What actor played a pimp?

R308 The actor for No. 1 is almost certainly Conrad Dunn (who also went by the stage name George Jenesky).

Dunn played pimp, "Nick Corelli," on Days of our Lives. The prostitute whom Nick controlled was young "Eve Donovan" played by the popular Charlotte Ross. Over time, their relationship started to change and started to turn into a love story. Many female viewers were enthralled with it, but this may have freaked some fundies out. The couple was getting a lot of press in the soap magazines and appeared on the cover of SOD. Then, quite abruptly and for no apparent reason, the actor was let go with the Nick character killed off.

Billy Clyde Tuggle. Same actor was on a short lived soap called something like A World Apart playing Susan Sarandon’s brother in 1970. They were teens and it was a social issue type soap.

Add to R309 .. The ICONIC coming of age show Conrad Dunn was on was "Degrassi: The Next Generation"

Those are rather dated soap blind items. #4 is 40+ years old, while #1 is 35+ years old.

Among the newer ones, #3 is 25+ years old while #2 is about 20 years old.

Had to guess they'd be OLD with phrases within them such as: 1) "former," 2) "fifteen years ago," 3) "back in the day," and 4) "now dead."

Josh Morrow, Sharon Case and Michelle Stafford all started on the show in 1994. Here they discuss their 30th anniversary.

Counting the two times she quit, I think The Stafford has more like 23 years.

Can Josh Morrow be more of an asshole than we already knew? Don’t do a fucking interview Josh if the baseball game is more important. Arrogant asshole. Oh and Joah, you’ve never won an Emmy!!! lolololololololol

After 48 minutes with Alan Locher, I'd probably excuse myself as well.

I doubt Josh gives a shit if he wins a Daytime Emmy. He's the guy who cared more about signing five-year contracts with the show, because he was smart enough to know this was the gig that was going to allow him to make regular bank, so that he could rake in the bucks flipping real estate. Daytime Emmys don't make you a millionaire.

Josh’s son seems equally an asshole.

I hearts Nia Pepples.

Peeples would probably rather forget her time at Y&R. .. In one interview, she seemed to indicate that working with KSJ was something of a chore, and she had no use at all for that amateur, Eva Marcille, who was playing :Tyra. .. Then, even when they opted to let Peeples go, Sony fucked up the notification requirements (based on her 26-week cycle), so they had to bring her back and fire her all over again when that cycle was up.

btw, I don't blame Rauch/MAB for deciding to cut Peeples loose. Whatever Latham had in mind with Neil and Karen wasn't working. But I don't really blame Peeples. Viewers love KSJ, but honestly, did he ever really *click* with a love interest on the show other than Rowell? .. I'd say he and his little butt buddy Ryan McNeil may have worked, but that's about it.

Noted that Graziadei was celebrating his 45th birthday a couple of days ago. How old does that make you feel?

Anyway, he put up this cute video of him singing to his twin boys.

buh bye Heather

I wonder if this is going to be a cop-out ep with Sharon waking up.....

I hope not, good performances by both actresses.

Sharon Case working HARD for an Emmy, bitches!

Win or lose, that permanent look of shock on her face will suit.

Is crazy Douggie Davidson coming back?

LOL I'm sure that secure building has NO security cameras to see Sharon's coming and going, and dragging the body to the garage. I mean this is where Nikki and Vic lived after Sharon burned down the ranch.

Sharon Case's 30th anniversary episode is tomorrow.

Complete Character Assasination of Sharon.

R326 This could be why Amy Lewis is returning .. i.e. Paul can't come, so he asks Amy to investigate the disappearance of his daughter.

Well, I guess this means we'll never get that much-anticipated scene where Heather walks up to Adam in Crimson Lights and snarkily asks, "Fucked any hot Latino ass recently?"

That horribly bright spotlight that they had shining on Sharon's FACE when she was on the bridge dumping the corpse in the river was pretty unforgiving. .. And I hope they burn that taupe? outfit she's been in for more than a week. The wardrobe website indicates that it's a James Perse (London) French terry design with each separate retailing for about $300 a piece. .. Seriously? They could have bought an entire French terry tracksuit on sale at Walmart for $42.

Seeing young Josh Morrow when he first met Sharon in the flashbacks, you'd think it was his son who's currently on B&B.

Cassidy Ann Newman. Has there ever been a character who's death has been milked this much? I suppose Phillip Chancellor II comes close, but at least his death formed the basis of the Kay-Jill feud. .. Anyway, when it comes to Cassie, I've had sufficient, and I'm glad that before Heather bit the dust they had her point out that stupid Cassie basically killed herself and could have taken victim Daniel along with her in the process.

So, they're killing off Paul's daughter and yet Paul isn't around to deal with the ramifications. Or even come to the funeral?

What did Doug Davidson do to piss off TPTB at Sony?

Sony put Doofus Dougie on the chopping block way back in 2008 - ordering MAB to cut the budget by getting rid of him OR Don Diamont. She opted to cut Don, which in the end worked out well for him.

P3's "death" caused years of conflict as well

Heather’s probably not dead. It’s a soap after all.

Mini-spoiler from Monday, R336 ...

There is one line that Sharon throws out there, but it isn't dwelt upon, where she's talking to Figment Cameron and asks, "Why can't I remember what happened .. or how it happened?"

It was a good episode, very well done. Sharon Case should submit these episodes for Emmy consideration. But, no office, Sharon Case's face. Whoo boy. 😱

R338 agreed. It’s been 25 years since she’s won her only Emmy. The story is an illogical crapfest, but Case sells the hell out of it.

[quote] Or even come to the funeral?

If Heather is actually dead and her waterlogged and decomposing corpse is found, I could see Daniel getting a phone call from April telling him that she's arranging to have her daughter cremated with her ashes interred in New York in the Stevens Family plot. That way, there'd be no need to show a funeral in Genoa City, and we'd simply see Daniel and Lucy preparing for the journey and hear that Paul was flying-in from Portugal to join them in NY. Who else in Genoa City would go to Heather's funeral? Phyllis and Summer for Daniel's sake; perhaps L'Bug who's known Heather since she was a child.

Doug Davidson is a MAGA moron on Twitter, which is opposite of Eric Braeden, who has always sticking it to Orange Julius.

Sharon should've killed Lucy.

Is that porcine looking Nina still on?

I really thought that’s what was going to happen, R342. Kudos to the writers for this thing with Heather which I totally did not see coming.

SPOILER: The Amy Lewis development begins tomorrow:

Nate receives a text from Amy saying. "Need to see you about an urgent family matter."

Of course, Nate doesn't know who Amy even is and replies, "Sorry. Do I know you?"

Amy texts back, "When we meet, it will all be clear."

I believe Amy was gone before HoLivia and DruSilly showed up, so the only connection Nate might have to Amy would be through his deceased bio-father, Nathan.

After Hot Andy Richards left town with dull Faren, Nathan joined Paul and Amy at the detective agency. Amy was the one who taught the illiterate "Kong" (Nathan's street name) to read. He started to fall in love with Amy, but she stopped him from saying it, because she'd already decided to leave Genoa City. That scene with them was actually featured in one of the "Classic" episodes that Y&R showed during the 2020 production halt due to COVID.

Hmmm .. I wonder if they're going to do a retcon and say Amy was preggers with Nathan's baby when she left twon, and Nate has an older sibling? .. Medical emergency or something?

Maybe happily Aunt Mamie croaked and Nate gets all her shares.

Mamie has shares?

Pathetic Mamie went back to Shady Pines to live with a battery-operated device she calls "Mr Abbott."

Jill, you should have told someone to get those black bitches out of your face. Get on the Tercel to Llanview.

They made a doctor, a police officer, a barista and a housekeeper into business professionals in order to tell these pointless, monotonous corporate machination stories. Christ, this shit is so boring.

The “Abbott Chancellor” storyline is so fucking boring and dumb. And the actor playing Billy looks terrible. He always looks like he just came off a bender. Red-faced and strained. Not sexy in the slightest bit.

Doesn’t Jason T have an alcohol problem?

Was there some September sweeps that I was unaware of?

Y&R had me glued to my TV watching psycho Sharon breaking into Daniel's apartment, accidentally killing Heather and dumping the body in the river on Wednesday and Thursday.

Meanwhile, GH had me on the edge of my seat on Thursday and Friday with the Lucky rescue, complete with an unexpected but passionate kiss between Anna and Jason.

Such spellbinding and climatic happenings are generally reserved for sweeps. But here they were happening in late September.

What caused major storylines on two different shows to climax at exactly the same time during a non-sweeps period?

R353, good question. Do sweeps periods for network shows still work the way they used to? Sweeps used to be February, May, and November. The rating during those months set advertisement rates. Does it still work the same way?

JULY was also sweeps...

Sweeps still exist, but Y&R has often been known for doing something big in either September or October.

This story surrounding Sharon and what she did last week could now lead up to some kind of major reveal or fallout during November sweeps - which start October 31, so just 22 episodes from now.

I only Swiffer now.

I am loving this Sharon storyline. It’s excellent and Case is nailing it.

I miss Terry Lestah

I hope we can keep Linden Ashby around for a while. Love Cameron being the devil on her shoulder.

R360. Meh. It’s gotten tedious. I’ve started ff through their stuff. Ashby should be thankful he was able to make a little more money off a dead character. I can’t see it going on for much longer.

I guess it's obvious Jack is going to hire Audra at Jabot.

I wouldn't doubt Sharon might start to see Figment Heather appear to her.

And to keep things lively, perhaps Figment Cameron and Figment Heather could morph into a double act.

[quote] Ashby should be thankful he was able to make a little more money off a dead character.

I don't think Linden really needs this gig. He does it because Susan's on the show. He works as a director (with two other projects already in production and pre-production). And the last time he was on (when they killed Cameron off), he said Griffith had been trying to get him back for quite some time, but the scheduling never worked out right due to his other projects. He ended up being able to work it in after something freed up, and he told Y&R that he could give them a couple of weeks. Griffith immediately jumped at the chance and rearranged other storyline to accommodate HIM.

Ahhh, that explains a lot. Thanks r364.

I always wondered why Ashby's return last year as Cameron was so rushed. Felt like it came out of nowhere. No real buildup to his return. And then a mere three weeks later Cameron was dead. I figured they would at least keep him there for six weeks, if not several months. But no, he was dead and gone.

But if they were trying to accommodate a limited window in his schedule, then it all makes more sense.

I would love for Heather to start appearing to Sharon as an angel on her shoulder to contrast it with Cameron's devil on her shoulder.

Or maybe Cameron and Heather could be turned on by each other and start flirting until they eventually fuck on Sharon's couch.

R365 Yeah, his statements back then made sense as to why the story came off like a "Movie of the Week."

Jesus Christ! Warn us please! Mariah’s FAT ASS shots on Monday scarred me. The caboose on Mariah took wide lens to a new level!

Wow. They've already got a corpse on the slab.

I had forgotten Heather was the infant who lived next door to Chris and Snapper. We saw her April raising her and Chris was always helping her out, even fixing her up with Greg(Wings Hauser) who'd had his fill of Nikki. I remember Cindy Eilbacher's hair always being in her mouth, so she must have had a wig.

It was hilarious when Bell wrote the entire Stevens family out in one fell swoop. April's adopted out, non-identical twin, Barbara Ann Harding, had gotten some kind of inheritance or trust fund and had enough money to support everyone, so even though Barbara barely knew her bio-family, she invited the piss-poor Stevens to come live with her in New York City .. in a deluxe apartment in the sky, no doubt. .. Dorothy, Wayne, April, and toddler Heather just up and left with Barbara. Paul didn't seem to mind much that April was leaving town with his daughter. He'd originally been portrayed as a deadbeat dad after Heather was born and seemed to have been guilt-ed into being a father. Plus, he'd just fucked Barbara, which made April mad.

Bring back the adorable Doug Davidson!!

Doggie is too MAGA for daytime tv. His tweets are horrendous.

*Dougie (Freudian slip, but it was appropriate).

The Williams have been dead to me for quite some time and no longer required.

Heather was actually a smart choice to kill off: a character who's been played just enough to make her death substantial, but not really important enough to leave a big hole in the canvas.

Now can we just move on to Daniel having grief sex with Chance with Summer walking in on her brother and boyfriend?

Love how they murder a character without a single law enforcement officer on canvas to investigate, so they throw in a scene about Chance being unfulfilled with corporate work and having already called the police commissioner about getting his old job back.

[quote] I remember Cindy Eilbacher's hair always being in her mouth, so she must have had a wig

The hair was definitely Cindy's. It was kind of an "Eilbacher" trait, as she had both a sister (Lisa) and brother (Bobby) who acted. You can find Cindy's hair in her face a lot.

Lisa is the most popular Eilbacher. Loved her in Ten To Midnight and Beverly Hills Cop.

I loved the stories with April and the other Stevens (minus Barbara) back in the day. Heather was usually played by a doll. Greg really loved April, Paul was an asshole, April’s mother was a total harridan…

I think the last time we saw April was when Griffith and MAB were producing/writing the show during the 2008 strike. .. They hired Wil deVry's partner (beard?) Rebecca Staab to play April. She came to Genoa City because Clueless had finally told Heather that he was her father, causing Heather to get angry with both him and her mother. April was pissed at Paul for just blurting it out without any involvement on her part and then tried to smooth things out with her daughter.

While in the back of my mind somewhere, having Chance mention his little history with Heather to Daniel was appreciated. I'd kind of forgotten about it since the two characters were being played by John Driscoll's Chance and Eden Reigel's unfortunate Heather when it occurred. As I recall, Reigel's Heather also got to sample Chance's brother, Ronan Malloy. The trio were all in the Law & Order business, so crossed paths that way.

How hot were Chance and Ronan when they had their big fight in the pouring rain? .. Kudos to the wardrobe department ... here we have Chance in his wet see-through shirt and Ronan sporting a tee that could easily be turned into a crop top! .. This still photo from it looks like it could be a scene from "Brothers Should Do It."

MINI-SPOILER:

As we all figured, they've come up with a reason why Paul won't be able to make it to Heather's service.

A hospital in Lisbon calls Daniel and leaves a message that Paul had a heart attack and isn't in any condition to travel.

I haven't heard anyone mention April.

If Paul can't make it, maybe Steve Williams, Peggy Brooks, Patty Williams(sorry she's in the loony bin) or Father Williams(Corbin Bernsen - man did his career go to shit) can show up for Heather. Maybe Chris and Snapper can show up, if Snapper isn't too busy saving Jill's heart condition.

or Casey.

The actor who played "Steve Williams" left acting decades ago; then he got fat.

Valarie Pettiford taking over for Stephanie E. Williams as Amy Lewis, is this possibly the first time where the exact same two actresses played the same role? Stephanie replaced Valarie as Sheila Price on OLTL in the 90's. Stephanie also left Y&R in 1990, which is when Valarie made her OLTL debut.

R386 It's possible Griffith remembered that recasting at OLTL, because he was writing for the soap during that timeframe.

R387 You're right, wasn't even thinking of that. With Michael Malone as hw- Josh was either co-hw or associate hw, then as hw again in the 2000's iirc before eventually landing at DOOL and then Y&R

Correcting myself at R388 with Griffith's full writing history, for anyone who's a stickler for details:

*Santa Barbara

1988-1991 (Breakdown/Script Writer)

*One Life To Live

1991-1994 (Associate Head Writer)

1992-1995 (Co-Head Writer With Michael Malone)

*Sunset Beach 1997 (Co-Creator With Bob Guza)

*One Life To Live

2003 (Head Writer)

2003-2004 (Co-Head Writer With Michael Malone)

2004 (Associate Head Writer)

*As The World Turns

2005-2006 (Script Writer)

*The Young & The Restless

2006 (Breakdown Writer)

2006 (Creative Consultant)

2006-2007/2019-2023 (Co-Executive Producer)

2007-2008/2012-2013/2019-Present (Head Writer)

2006-2008/2023-Present (Executive Producer)

2018-2019 (Supervising Producer)

*General Hospital

2009 (Story Consultant, Breakdown/Script Writer)

*As The World Turns

2009-2010 (Script Writer)

*Days Of Our Lives

2015-2016 (Co-Head Writer)

Griffith's full writing history also includes two telenovelas that he did for Sony Pictures. .. One was the Spanish-language telenovela, "Bienvenida Realidad," and another was the Nickelodeon series, "Hollywood Heights" -- the project he did with Jill Fuckup Phelps (from whence came Robert Adamson, Melissa Ordway, and Summer King). I only mention these two because they were both youth-centered. The Spanish-language series was even compared to the UK's popular "Skins" series as well as Spain's hit serial drama "Física o Química."

Funny how we don't see much youth-oriented stories on The Old & the Listless, because Griffith himself has done quite a bit of that type of storytelling in the past.

[quote] Melissa Ordway

There's another dreadful Ordway girl?

"That Ordway creature." ®

Not liking this Sharon storyline. I guess Sharon Case wants to leave permanently. Can't see her coming back from this.

[quote]Not liking this Sharon storyline. I guess Sharon Case wants to leave permanently. Can't see her coming back from this.

I am loving the Sharon storyline. Love Cameron being the devil on her shoulder encouraging her darkest thoughts. They're doing this to get Sharon Case an Emmy nod.

As for redeeming the character, all Sharon has to do is start taking her bipolar meds again and Cameron will go away. A judge will gvie her probation and some community service. While doing the community service, she'll meet a cute guy and fall in love with him.

Don't believe me about Sharon getting probation? Phyllis killed her insta-husband Jeremy Stark and let everyone believe she was dead for four months. She didn't go one minute of jail time. She got probation

Last week I happened to overhear three women at a restaurant in the booth behind me talking about Y&R.

They looked to be in the preferred demo (something under 54). They all agreed that the Sharon storyline is what's keeping them watching. They all said it was great.

For the most part, they also agreed that there are "too many" business storylines.

I nearly spit my food out when one of them asked, "Have you noticed how BIG Mariah is getting?" .. I wanted to turn around and ask. "Pardon me. But do you happen to post on The DataLounge?"

R394 Yeah, this storyline started out with a change in Sharon's meds. .. They've brought that fact up more than once.

I sometimes wonder if we're eventually going to find out that her meds are some new drug with limited FDA approval, and there have been reported side effects of psychotic behavior.

It could all come down to some Big Pharma company having rushed something to market, the FDA not receiving or ignoring data, and a doctor who's not doing appropriate follow-up and monitoring Sharon per requirements to give her the drug.

I wonder if this is why they included that little scene today of psychologist Alan being introduced to Sharon. He may not be a medical doctor, but perhaps he could eventually play some role in fact-finding.

Mariah’s arms and arse get bigger and fatter each episode.

Will there be sticky buns when Alan dumps Traci for Moo-riah?

R390 Right Hollywood Heights, didn't think of anything outside of daytime. I remember Jill even brought people from Hollywood Heights to Y&R, Melissa Ordway iirc was originally from there. Wasn't familiar with the Telenovela, thanks, did you watch? Hollywood Heights, did you watch as well?

R390 I actually didn't see that you referenced Melissa Ordway, Robert Adamson and I believe Hunter King, originating Hollywood Heights. Laughed as soon as I saw Jill Fuckup Phelps 😆

*Originating from Hollywood Heights at R400. Jill Fuckup Phelps is still on my mind 😆

HOME AGAIN HOME AGAIN

Oh for fuck’s sake! Edward cheated all the time on Melody is 80 fucking years old. RETIRE already! What can an 80 year old bring that is new to Y&R??? Jesus.

Maybe it’s just the acting choices but… is Sharon Case sober? The smeared, dark eye makeup, the puffy face, sometimes slurring her lines. Ten years ago I feel like she would’ve been absolutely brilliant in this storyline but the stand-alone episode was like the spirit of Stafford took over. It was like vaudeville.

She does sound drunk but it is hard to tell now since she is playing a mentally ill person now.

ugh. Scott, a Senior Producer? .. Geez - Besides EP Griffith, they've already got FIVE other Producers, a Supervising Producer, and an "Executive-in-Charge." .. And didn't Sony-Corday fire him from Days back in the day, because of improprieties with a young actress?

As for the way Case sounds, I think it could be more evidence that something went wrong with a cosmetic procedure. Filler having leaking into her sinues or something? It happens.

Snott

My Edward would NEVER cheat on me.

I can't stand Abby or Dullvon, so I rarely pay attention to them, but hasn't it been years since they blew up their respective relationships, and they're STILL not married?

And didn't he inherit BILLIONS, and she got $500m, and they can't find a wedding venue? WTF show?

R409 lol I thought the same. They LIVE in The Chancellor manse, which has a ballroom. Gee, scratching my head why would they need a venue? And doesn't that moronic character Abby own a piece of The Grand Phoeinx? Sooooooooooooo STUPID.

It seems they will just use one of the sets. I wish they wouldn't be cheap and created a new set just for the wedding.

What happened to that elaborate house set they built for Aunt Jordan? That thing was bigger than the Abbott mansion.

Plus, they created no less than FIVE new sets for the temporary Paris storyline.

I figured they might at least reconfigure and repurpose some of those sets to become something new in Genoa City. i.e. The elegant Tucker (Audra) hotel suite with balcony ... Ashley's equally elegant apartment ... Alan's townhome - complete with second story! ... the large Parisian bistro with its old-world charm.

They must have broke the bank!

[quote] It seems they will just use one of the sets. I wish they wouldn't be cheap and created a new set just for the wedding.

As long as Tessa sings at the wedding is all that really matters !!!

Braeden steps on all of his scene partners' line readings. It's hysterical.

Someday, someone might punch Hans in the face for doing things like that!

And the way he moves now, he'd probably fall and not be able to get up!

Victor is a walking corpse, the creepiest soap character since the original Barnabas Collins, but with zero charm. He was sexy at one point when Braeden staarted beefing up his body, but yuck. It's like Trump.

Tessa is still on this show???? Why???? God I can’t stand her.

R418 well she’s married to Mariah, so it’s only natural you’ll see her every now and then. She’s not on a lot anyway. If the character disappeared tomorrow I wouldn’t miss her tbh, but in a limited capacity it’s fine.

Is she tied to anyone else?

Seems like they’d want to make sure a placeholder character like that was a person of color or some other token representation if not tied to a family (?).

If she doesn’t have any family, they should free up Mariah to date or be tied to another partner who is a legacy family member (barber).

r420 No. Soaps don't need anymore incest. We need more characters who are not tied up with the 3 major families.

The show doesn’t need Tessa or Moo-riah’s big fat caboose.

I disagree with you, R422.

What happened to Tessa's sister, the runaway hooker?

Is Leslie Brooks going to come back to sing at Devon and Abby's wedding?

What will Great Grandma Nikki's next disaster of a hair style be?

What happened with Jill coming back to straighten out Billy? What about BIlly's launch party? A month ago it was supposed to be the next day.

It's October why aren't Victoria's brats back in school?

[quote] What happened to Tessa's sister, the runaway hooker?

Crystal lives in Canada. She was able to attend the Messa wedding, because Rey had been able to get all the charges against her dropped before he was killed. Crystal indicated her life there was "better than okay," especially since she didn't have to be looking over her shoulder all the time now.

[quote] What happened with Jill coming back to straighten out Billy?

Jill was just seen in Friday's preview for next week addressing this very subject. Lily looks very nervous at the prospect of Jill getting involved and is trying to dissuade her.

[quote] It's October why aren't Victoria's brats back in school?

It was decided that Johnny and Katie wouldn't be going back to boarding school, and they're now attending Walnut Grove. .. Similarly, we heard Faith is still around because she applied to skip a term at college.

r242 Tessa is boring but it is good to see a person who is not part of the 3 same families.

They could always do a PSA with the gals where Tessa gently suggests that Mariah talk to Elena about the health benefits of combining diet and exercise with Wegovy..

"Look, Mariah ... If I wanted to be with someone who weighs 225 lbs, I'd hit on that hot, 6'2 muscle jock over at the bar."

R421, fair enough to not tie her to the whole Newman/Abbott/chancellor mess but the character could be used to tie someone else in…

A lesbian niece could be the 2024 equivalent of a mom in a wheel chair.

So good to see Chance back working for the police, where he belongs. Working for Chancellor never felt right for the character.

And thanks to Heather's death, Chance is getting a lot more screen time. Here's hoping crime continues on the upswing.

They need Linda Lavin. I would love to hear her scat the theme song.

"Tessa & Mariah" allows CBS to inform GLAAD know about them, so that they're included in the organization's annual "Where We Are on TV" diversity report, which refers to them as "a queer couple."

In NO universe would that fat pig Mooriah be eating out Tessa’s snatch. They just don’t go together. Tessa is straight.

Perhaps Tessa owns a big black strap on, because when they first introduced Mariah, we heard that she'd been shacking up and running scams on the West Coast with Tyler Michaelson's BBC (Redaric Williams). .. When she reconnected with Tyler in Genoa City, we learned that they'd actually been engaged to be married.

If this show brings back any set, it should be the GCAC Steam Room.

YES PLEASE!!!!!

If Victor's attempt to takeover Chancellor were to result in Jill getting the better of him and squashing his plans, this story would be worth it.

I'd love to see Junkyard Dog Jill walk in and tell The Old Fart where to shove it. I've always seen her as more of his equal than Aunt Jack, and someone needs to put him in his place.

Love this old Jill vs. Victor scene, which was part of the 1996 primetime special. Remember those? That's the one that ended with Victor getting shot.

r435 They should do prime time episodes in the summer when nothing is on!

R436 I was surprised that CBS didn't do a prime time special for the 50th in 2023. .. March, the month the anniversary occurred in, can be a dead zone in prime time, since February sweeps has just ended (often with some kind of mid-season hook), and many prime time shows switch to reruns for a few weeks prior to their end season push in April and May. .. But I've read that when CBS used to do those specials they had to negotiate (pay) a separate license fee for them outside their standard contract with Sony; so like everything else it probably comes down to them not seeing any cost-benefit.

Today's ep proves Jack and Diane are in it together - all their arguments in public places - to set up Ictor. Good- that smirking creep needs to put in a grave or retired.

I laughed out loud the other day when Victoria, Cole and ClairEve were watching Aunt Jack and Dianejenkins argue in Crimson Lights . After Diane exits and Jackie did his melodramatic lip-biting thing, Victoria comments, "Jack doesn't normally act out like that."

What planet has she been living on since 1989?

I had a hard time getting through Friday's special *white-washing* episode for Syphyllis' 30th Anniversary in one sitting. I kept looking at the clock and had to stop twice. It just seemed to drag on forever.

And it's nighttime in Wisconsin, in the Fall, and we see that Daniel, Summer, and Lucy wearing jackets/sweaters, yet Syph is clomping around the park in this sleeveless get-up with her chest exposed. At first I considered menopause and hot flashes, but she's about five years too old for that.

I'd forgotten about Nick's Hipster Van Dyke period.

Michelle Stafford’s pussy stinks! Ugh!!!

What a waste of an ep today. Momenteum was building, and then this boring re-tread of Phyllis. Michael Damian did look hot in the clips I saw, but that was about the only thing to see. All the holes in the story - no security cameras capturing the comings and goings of the complex Daniel & Heather lived in make you want to scream aboyt stupid writing. Cameras are EVERYWHERE now, and the stupid writer doesn't know this

I don’t understand why they do this shit. Who cares who has been on for 30 years?? I don’t.

Thirty years of the character, but not really 30 years of The Staff. .. They conveniently leave out the part where she said 'adios' to the role in '97 to pursue fantasies of moving to prime time. I was perfectly happy with Sandra Nelson in the role. Then, MS left again in 2013 when she apparently didn't like the notes she was receiving from JFP about her constant three-peating of lines and adding junior high school words like "absolutely, totally, definitely, etc." to everything that came out of her maw. Even viewers who like her were complaining about how "lazy" her acting had gotten. Personally, I was bored with Phyllis at that point, so the way I see it, Gina came in and revitalized the character.

Stafford was doing a lot of “ham and cheese” acting before she left in 2013. I love the Gina era. She was great.

Gina was a better actress and pretty. Sorry Stafford is odd looking and ugly.

Stafford is NOT ugly. She’s approaching 60 and looks incredible. Bitch needs to stick with whoever she’s going to for her nip tucks etc. I liked Gina and her take it down a notch or two approach to the role (when the writing called for it) but let’s face it, Staff OWNS Phyllis. Yesterday’s episode was fun. Phyllis is boisterous, crass, insecure, petty and funny. It’s the nature of the character. Many times all within one scene. Gina couldn’t quite pull this off.

r447 She is ugly as hell, although I do think she is in good shape. Her acting is horrible. Not campy in a good way, but just bad acting. And she doesn't look good with any romantic pairing. She has no sex appeal.

R448 she’s won three Emmys. Same as Gina. I know the Daytime Emmys aren’t the be all end all of deciding talented actors, but it’s something. Plus Michelle has survived the daytime soap landscape for thirty years. To say she can’t act or her acting is bad is just ludicrous. She wouldn’t still be cranking it out if she didn’t have the chops.

r449 Are you her publicist?? Are you Michelle?? LOL

r449 She is racist (rumors for years) and winning a daytime emmy doesn't mean much since there is so much bad acting on soaps. And I say that as a fan of daytime soaps.

Stafford is also a creepy $cientologist.

R452, isn’t that the reason that we lost the character of Murphy?

R453 Michael Fairman (Murphy) is the actor whom The Staff verbally threatened, because of her Scieno cult shit. .. I don't even think she got reprimanded for harassment in the workplace.

But I don't think we lost Murphy, because of that. There really wasn't a place for Murph after Kay (Jeanne Cooper) died.

r454 What did he say that made her go off??

R455 He didn't say anything. He and his wife were Scientologists who were trying to get out of the cult. The story is she knew this because of her high-ranking position, and went off on him at work. His story was all over the Net.

btw - Fairman himself did not identify who the harasser was, but the quotes seemed so Staff, and everyone believes it to be her.

R451 I’ve never heard the racist rumors. And better to have three Emmys vs zero. The poster up thread said they were fine with Nelson. Unlike Gina, I hardly remember her in the role. So that’s how much she registered in the part. They always keep coming back to Stafford for Phyllis. If you prefer Gina, fine. She’s a good actress. But she didn’t entirely capture the character.

r457 Stafford is memorable because she is full camp and is a giraffe.

R458 she should be a dl icon at this point then.

Didn’t Michelle spit on our beloved Vicky Rowell?

r460 yes

r444 Yeah. The same thing with michael baldwin. He was off the show and in jail for a couple of years but he had a 30th anniversary too.

If they arrest Daniel and put him in jail, it will be a HUGE oversight if his bestie, Kevin Fisher, doesn't come visit him. .. I know Rikaart's on Days, but they let him appear on Y&R for Tracey Bregman's (Lauren's) anniversary show in 2023, and again during the 2023 holiday episode that featured the Baldwin-Fishers.

I think we should assume Kevin's still in Genoa City since we still see annoying Chloe every now and again in business scenes. .. Of course, maybe this would be a good opportunity to let us know that the couple finally split up. I don't believe they ever actually remarried, so perhaps Chloe could report that Kevin finally met the man of his dreams, "Clark Harding" (Mark's twin brother), and they now live in the Hillcrest area of San Diego.

Do dullbirds Danny and Cricket know what is going on? Or are they still on the European tour for the sold out torture, er tour?

R464 RockOn appeared in Friday's preview for what's in store for this coming week. We saw him on a video call with Daniel about what's going on.

The bug is back next week according to the previews.

I don’t like Michelle Stafford. I DO love that JFP sent her packing. Of course Michelle came crawling back after Jill left. Gina Tognoni winning an Emmy for Michelle’s role gnawed in Michelle’s twat. Such justice.

Is Danny releasing any new singles?

Danny and Gina's live version of WAP is getting a special vinyl pressing just in time for Christmas.

Melody’s husband has NEVER cheated! Never ever. lolololololol Ever?

Stafford reminds me a lot of Andrea Evans.

A revelation on her first go round, capturing a very sexy, scheming fun character with serious sides.

But in later returns, the sexiness was either watered down/muted or dialed up to crazy in a way that was just sad and OTT, not fun. I'm not a big Stafford fan but I will say the writers have done her no favors whatsoever since she's been back.

[quote] Is Danny releasing any new singles?

To support Daniel's legal defense, RockOn will be headlining a fundraising concert called "It's Okay to Say No (to Prison Gangbangs)" where he'll debuting his new single, "So Tight, But Not Right."

Midway through, special guest, Larry "The Wartman" Warton, will take center stage to recount his emotional story of reform and redemption.

[quote]let’s face it, Staff OWNS Phyllis. Yesterday’s episode was fun. Phyllis is boisterous, crass, insecure, petty and funny. It’s the nature of the character. Many times all within one scene. Gina couldn’t quite pull this off.

Michelle Stafford IS Phyllis. Gina Tognoni was Kelly Cramer moves to Genoa City.

Stafford is exhausting to watch, and every bit as much on my nerves as is Melody T. Snot. Just annoying actresses. Jess Walton is another, shrill harpy. I think she can thank her Emmys to Bell & Co, leading a campaign to malign Dickson and reward Walton. See she's Jill NOW, she has an Emmy and Brenda was never nominated. Same deal with Bergman winning while Terry Lester never won.

I wish they would get rid of victor and nikki. They are just expensive and add nothing to the show.

What's in the water that makes every citizen of Genoa City capable of being CEO of an international company? Did any of them go to college?

Drunk Nikki should've mowed Abby down like a dog in the street. That would've had years more fallout than Delia's speedbump story.

Lazy writing where the writers don't know there are other positions within a company then CEO or COO. If they are going to focus so much on business, why don't they do research and have the characters in the office and in the board room talking.

The dumb business stories are a needed break from listening to Dull-von and Drabby yammer on about their wedding.

Chance is looking even hotter than usual lately somehow. Beautiful man.

I'd have DuhVon and Abby get married and go on an extended honeymoon .. yeah, bring Dominic with them.

Then, a month later, when absolutely no one misses them, a couple of people in Genoa City would hear from the newlyweds and report that they've decided to relocate to the French Riviera.

We'd then learn that Abby has purchased a hotel to run in Monaco, and they'll live in the penthouse there. .. Meanwhile, DuhVon is setting up his office in one of Hamilton-Winters nearby subsidiaries, which was acquired after they purchased Mergeron from Dina.

Au revoir.

So in real life, whose snatch does Chance eat? He is a straight pussy hound.

If they want to focus on corporate storylines why don't they look at succession, suits, mad men, and similar shows.

R481 Conner's girlfriend's name is Carly. I believe he said awhile back that they've been together 3+ years. He brought her to both the Y&R 50th Anniversary Celebration and the Daytime Emmys. ... They're over in Paris right now. Pic from this evening:

Michelle Stafford - is she of the lebanese persuasion?

r484 No, she is from the USA. But she might be a lesbian.

She's of the wackadoo persuasion.

Back in 2013, it was reported by an ex-Scientologist (who'd been raised in the cult and had been able to escape from it) that MS at that point in time was already at OT-VII (Operating Thetan Level 7). .. Given that, she's probably been far too busy for any kind of relationship outside the cult since she more than likely wants to get to the highest auditing level of OT-VIII where "the truth is revealed." She may already be there by now and can go further by some reports. .. That ex-member also revealed that she'd been "granted permission" by the cult to have a baby, and in a subsequent ceremony, she'd become "Silver Meritorious" and made her 3-year old daughter a "Patron Meritorius." .. Don't ask.

Love her or hate her, JFP didn’t put ip with Michelle’s shit and sent her packing. lololololol

I'd welcome JFP back on any of the 4 shows. She knew how to cull a cast. (And blow shit up)

I’m finally watching the Phyllis episode and I’m really enjoying it.

It’s really fun to see the flashbacks — and all of Phyllis’ many hairstyles. I’m sure alone, I really love her in the shorter, easy, breezy, weed whacker cut.

Has Cricket got that new line of lipstick on the market yet?

During the special episode, Syphilis was bitching about "no family," but there was no mention of her sister, Avery Bailey Clark. Jessica Collins was on the show for four years. As I recall, Summer and Aunt Avery got along famously. And you'd think they'd ask Avery to come represent her nephew, Daniel. That's what Avery did. She was a defense lawyer who gained fame by taking on cases where people had been wrongly convicted at some kind of "Innocence Foundation." The regime that fucked around with the Avery character is long gone.

R491, I’m R489 and I was thinking the same exact thing about Avery.

I did like (lazy as it is) the narrative structure of having Phyllis tell stories about her life to Lucy.

Did the Staff have some new choppers in that episode?

Has Aunt Jordan been pouring vodka down Sharon's throat?

The Staff has a nice body. I just like her repeating the line repeating the line.

^ Oh fuck. I DON’T like her repeating the line. Repeating the line.

Staff's exhausting three-peating of lines has gone way down since the time right before she exited in 2013. It was so bad back then that it had become quite laughable. .. Totally ... definitely ... absolutely !!!

Was Frank able to break this annoying habit while she was on GH?

Isn't repeating the line a CoS thing? I seem to remember someone calling out Elizabeth Moss for doing it at awards shows.

R498 Don't know. ... But in The Stafford's case it seemed as if it had become a way for her to "remember" or at least "ad lib" her lines. .. People noted that it seemed like she'd gotten lazy and was winging it. .. She hadn't always been like that, so it was very noticeable as something new.

I usually hate Staff, but loved her yesterday raising her voice in Society with clueless Nick.

This should make some viewers happy.

But I do wonder how Victor has been able to secretly rebuild The Ranch without Nikki knowing? Did he do it when she was drunk off her ass?

I wonder if it will include a new Big Blue Plate?

R501, thanks for posting that!

Say what you want about Victor, but I think Eric Braeden is really one remarkable dude — genuine and honest and never afraid to show his emotions.

Yes. His full range of emotion, from A to B.

r502 = Eric Braeden

Like a lot of elderly folks, Hans has mellowed during the last 15 years. Remember when he was publicly telling Sony to go fuck themselves in the press. lol.

And while he's definitely someone who's been sucking on the Bell teat for decades, at this point, I'd probably miss seeing the old relic waddling around the set mumbling his lines.

I also don't mind his politics. He's been making regular donations to Act Blue, Harris for President, and other tight races in the country where the Democratic candidate needs support.

Instead of making bracelets, Daniel should be in the shower practicing with a collection of dildos so prison isn't too rough.

One can see from next week's preview that they're also bringing back Nate's penthouse apartment set.

And with The Old Ranch set returning, I wonder if they're going to retire The NuRanch set that they've been using or keep it and move someone else into the place? Seems ridiculous to think that Victoria, ClairEve, Johnny, and Katie all inhabit the "Tack House." Or maybe Nick could move there with MIA Christian. We never see that "mancave" set of Nick's any longer with that huge wrap-around hallway that was just a big waste of space.

The tack house looks like shit. Victoria is a billionaire, and we’re supposed to think she’s living like this? They should build her another house set with the space that was the tack house. Or move back in with Victor and Nikki.

Who doesn't want to wake up to the smell of horse manure coming from the barn next door?

R509 that's not horse manure, it's Victor after a nightcap of Metamucil.

What happened the teal(ish) dream home Victoria lived in?

R511 Aunt Jordan burned "The Father Knows Best" house down. (See link.) That's one of the reasons Katie was pissed off at ClairEve when she met her new sister, because the fire caused her to lose all the personal stuff she had in her room at the house.

Clair is a useless character. That noodle hairdo yesterday makes me wonder if she shares Mel's stylist

Mini spoiler:

Corpse Heather getting in Sharon's head during the Halloween episode is pretty entertaining.

This Connor shit is excruciating, and has gone on too long. I miss the days when Dummer and Fen were torturing the street kid that lived in the dumpster.

Moo-riah looking ready to eat all of her baby's Halloween candy.

Mooriah would just go ahead and eat the baby

Isn't Conner supposed to be 13ish? A little old for Halloween.

That poor kid blaming Dom is one ugly little guy.

Connor and Johnny weren't going trick-or-treating, they were going to a Halloween party. Sounds age-appropriate.

As for Dom, where do they find these kids who can't act? He was as bad as Smurf Harrison with the stupid hair.

Halloween seems like the perfect night for Aunt Jordan to kidnap all the children of Genoa City.

[quote]Halloween seems like the perfect night for Aunt Jordan to kidnap all the children of Genoa City. —Holly Lindsey, never forgetting

Not a very big haul. You've got Harrison, Conner, Johnny, Katie and Lucy. Plus baby Aria.

And of course, there's also invisible Christian, who is often referenced but never seen.

Holly had a much bigger haul. Plus most of Holly's haul was under 13 years old.

I'd save Aunt Jordan's reappearance for ClairEve's big wedding day when she's about to naively enter into a lavender marriage to JaBottom. .. The bitch would sneak into the back of the church and broadcast a video on the ceiling that shows Theo topping Kyle at a party held out in the Hamptons (ca 2018). .. Jordan obtained the sex tape from Harrison's mother, Tara Locke, who's just been released from prison herself.

The Messa stans are going to HATE Thursday's show ...

They spend quite a bit of time on Tessa with Daniel, and there's far more chemistry there than with Mariah.

R522 Thanks for the head’s up. I FF through anything Tessa. Cannot stand her and that nasally lazy delivery.

LOL at Heather's funeral. Why would Sharon dare to attend? Why do Daniel and Phyllis hang out, and have conferences at Sharon's place of business? Why wasn't Tessa at the memorial? Did they have their biggest ever lunch crowd at Society? No mention of April? Sharon Case is delivering it, I can't imagine how Sharon Newman is going to get out of this.

Oh puke at today's 11/8 ep being a love letter to two awful, overused, overstuffed characters, Icktor and Miss Piggy. Mel's fat face when she was younger and Hans's gaunt look certainly have improved over the years, but these 2 morally corrupt characters being the focus of this show for almost 45 years makes me sick.

As gross as they are, I'd rather watch Icktor and Piggy instead of the chemistry-free duo of Jabottom and Claire.

There are no charismatic couples on this show. Summer & Chance - blah; Mariah and Tessa, Billy and Chelsea, yuck. There is no one to root for. I guess I liked Adam with Sally, but they messed that up too. They've de-fused Audra, the best bad girl they've had in ages.

My bigger beef with this stupid show is the lack of follow up. Sharon runs out of the MEMORIAL for Heather, and there is no follow up for the next 2 shows.

The NuOldRanch still isn't right. They stuck the front entrance on the (wrong) opposite side where the bar and dining room used to be in the old set. The front door should be on the other side where the atrium is. How simple is that?

And they better remove some of that crap all around the place. It looks like the set designers were given a blank check to buy out Tuesday Morning. The Old Ranch had a lot of stuff, but it wasn't THAT cluttered. And those red and white, striped draperies are downright distracting.

Why would Victor offer the Ikea Ranch to single man Adam, when Victoria is living in the cramped Tack Room with three kids and Cole there most of the time?

I suppose this means Chelsea and Connor will be moving in with Adam soon.

[quote] No mention of Heather.

R524 Yeah. that's not just ridiculous, but downright odd. .. And it's not like Griffith hasn't played this character before. He's the one who brought in NuApril (Rebecca Staab) when he had Paul finally tell Heather that he was her father. This was when Griffith was producing/writing during the 2008 writer's strike. Vail Bloom was in the role of Heather, and April came to town pissed off at Paul, trying to explain to Heather why she'd kept her paternity a secret. During this little arc, April even happened to meet Daniel Romalotti, who at the point was just a friend of Heather's.

It's even more absurd that Nikki thought there was an irrigation system going in, yet there's obviously a 2 story HOUSE being built on the property (by elves one would assume) and no one notices it???

That, and all those candles lit. I'd love for Crazy Sharon to burn this one down too! Preferably with Nikki, Victor, Claire, Victoria in it.

They make off that Victor and Nikki are all lovey-dovey over this gift of The Ranch, but in actual storyline she's royally pissed off at him over his ongoing revenge plan against Aunt Jack because of how he got her to sober up and get her ass to rehab.

Did Hans skip out?

What a strange wedding.

Faith and Adam and Victoria's kids not invited to their Aunt's wedding? Sally designed the dress, but is also absent. So why are Jill and Esther there? And Jill capitulating to Victor and throwing her son and Lily off the bus to let Victor and Nikki win....is just gross. Stupid show!

I assume Jill's at the wedding because ever since Lily was married to Jill's faux son, Ethan 'Cane Ashby' Atkinson, and Jill herself was married to Cane's father, Colin, they've played her as some kind of grandma to Mattie and Charlie. And even with Cane gone and her marriage to Colin over, they still basically play her as some kind of "adopted Winters." .. Silly, I know.

Besides playing the Esther character to meet Linder's minimal contract requirement, I assume she's there because of her undying devotion to "Mrs. C", who was Devon's grandma for a hot moment.

Faith not being there is funny-odd, because we just heard ClairEve declare, "I'm going to my Aunt's wedding," someone she's known all of five seconds; yet Faith has known her "Aunt Abby" her whole life, and was even in the episode.

I immediately recognized "Reverend Holmes" as Melvin Robert, one of my favorite local TV gays here in Los Angeles, He was at Spectrum 1 for years and is now at morning show, Good Day L.A.

Melvin's such a smart, handsome entertaining guy.

r536

I thought Jill would have gone due to Devon being Katherine's grandson.. same with Ester

When was the last time Jill was even in town? The 50th anniversary party in March 2023?

R538 That too, but Jill's connection to the Winters has been played for years and years, one of the reasons she was okay with the "Chancellor-Winters" merger to begin with.

Hilarious that Aunt Mamie wasn't on the guest list. DuhVon had had sufficient.

Big reveal at the end of Thursday's episode.

As many viewers thought, it looks like someone's behind all this mess Sharon is in.

And not just some ONE, but TWO.

Not sure I understand the motive, but they're both insane.

R541 yup. Ian and Jordan. So why are they targeting Sharon and Phyllis, when both of them had very little to nothing to do with them. More stupidity from this show.

What a cop out R542! Utterly shit writing. We saw on screen what we saw. Is Jordan out of prison again? This is like Batman where the Arch Villains kept popping up every few weeks. And again, how sickening Jill caved to the Walking Corpse.

I wonder if we'll find out that Jordan was (is) a member of Ian Ward's New World Commune? She seems like the type who would belong to a cult.

Melissa Ordway bumped to recurring.

This show! lol

Case is obviously using Madonna's surgeon.

All of her fillers cushioned her head in the crash

When Duhvon going to be bumped to recurring or shown the door?

When’s

R549 Now would be the perfect time for that to happen. See previous post at R480.

I think pairing the two most boring characters on the show was a fantastic idea. Let them go off and be boring together. Show up occasionally to prove they're still in town.

Clearly Josh Griffin likes Devon and Abbey as much as we here on DL do.

Homewrecker CZP is back? No thanks!

Has Claire been in cahoots with the dastardly duo this whole time? Is Vicsnoria's baby really dead after all?

R552 Josh Griffith is the one who wrote Kay Chancellor's will leaving DuhVon $2.7 billion, thus changing his character and moving him into the "movers and shakers" on the business front. So stupid. Kay knew him for a hot minute, and granddaughter Mackenzie was far closer to her, not to mention Phillip and Chance. The will was so fucked up.

[quote]Josh Griffith is the one who wrote Kay Chancellor's will leaving DuhVon $2.7 billion,

JFP was likely pushing Griffith to have Katherine leave everything to DuhVon.

JFP was pushing to get more black viewers -- she was also setting up Redaric Williams (Tyler Michelson) as the new Shemar.

So, making DuhVon a billionaire mover and shaker was a way she saw to bring in more black viewers to JFP's way of thinking.

When it comes to DuhVon, too bad JFP didn't have the foresight to realize that sometimes when you want to take a character in a new direction, you have to first figure out that the current actor in the role isn't capable of conveying that new direction, so a RECAST is in order. We've been putting up with this dull 'mover and shaker' now for almost 12 years.

The best part of the episode was Audra cunting about the ridiculousness of marriage to two people who had just gotten married. The worst part was Drabby's disco wedding gown.

So we heard Sharon blacked out (again). She's obviously some kind of pawn in Ian and Jordan's game and didn't kill Heather.

As many considered, Aunt Jack and Diane are actually in collusion and used Victor. But when they told JaBottom about this, why would they allow ClairEve NEWMAN to be privy to their big act?

At least with Syphilis in a coma, Y&R won't be so LOUD & OBNOXIOUS for awhile.

Had to laugh when DuhVon gave his little speech and specifically thanked Mz. Ashley and Mr. Victor for "bringing Abby into this world" ... something Victor had absolutely nothing to do with and was all down to the desperate SpermHo who's bio-clock was ticking. .. If Devon thanked anyone it should have been Dianejenkins, who'd gotten the Old Goat's stored semen released to her as "Mrs. Victor Newman" and was keeping it in a freezer at the penthouse, which then allowed Ashley to break in and steal it for her use. .. They won't talk about that, though...lol

I wonder if it will come out that Aunt Jordan has always been a member of the New World Commune and a follower of Ian's. She seems like someone who would be a member of a cult. .. In the preview for next week, these two come off like a couple of camp villains from the 1960s Batman TV series.

btw - After Syphilis was taken to the hospital, I was hoping Nick and Chance would linger awhile and go have a quick fuck in the woods.

SPOILER ale.. er, well, too late.

Is anyone wondering how Aunt Jordan got out of prison?

R561 she probably used a file on the bars. I wouldn’t be the least surprised if they used this excuse. That’s how ridiculous this Aunt Jordan getting out of everything shit has become. It really HAS gone into Batman territory at this point.

I remember the days when Aunt Jordan was spreading her legs for Mark Pinter. The good ole days!

Aunt Jordan should've been watching Dabby's nuptials from the air vent.

Biden pardoned Aunt Jordan in his most senile moment. The only possible explanation.

My guess would be Ian Ward got Jordan out somehow. He's like Houdini. I think he was even able to magically come and go as he pleased during one his prison stints, that way they didn't think what was happening was done to him, when it really was.

I see the show's getting a new costume designer with Monday's episode, so I guess that gay dandy (Mr. Zyla) is out. Frankly, I've never been too impressed with his work.

I'm thinking of dropping the new gal a line, suggesting that she find new foundation for Mel, stop dressing Adam in black all the time, and seriously think about putting JaBottom in some snug short-shorts this Spring, because that would be character driven.

Take this for what it is worth - I AM skeptical - but a Y&R insider told me Faith is involved with Ian and Jordan in framing Sharon. Faith has been the one switching the meds, and it will be revealed she is in a new cult that Ian started on her college campus, so she is under his influence. Her line "I'm meeting friends" as her reason to miss the wedding was the clue she would be with Ian and Jordan. We'll see...

I don't mind that at all. Burn this show down. Now, if the Scoobie gang of Old Lady Lucy, Miss Connor, Cunty Katie and Johnny Angel are the ones to figure it out and set a trap, even better.

The college campus that apparently Faith never goes to now?

I pray the new costume designer makes no changes for Mel or Amelia. I love that they routinely look like shit.

[quote] The college campus that apparently Faith never goes to now?

That was covered a couple of months ago, when Faith announced that she'd officially applied to take a break from her studies at the University of Michigan. She said she wanted to stay closer to Sharon and also wasn't ready to be around where her ex-bf Moses still is.

Ashley’s dress made her look fat and that Eileen Davidson has a pot belly.

Well, Sharon Case certainly deserved her pay today. She must've been emotionally drained and exhausted by the time this episode was over. I actually had to take a break while watching.

Case's cosmetic surgeon should be tarred and feathered in Chancellor Park.

Nick and Sharon's daughters are all weepy over her fate.

Meanwhile, over in London, Noah's texting, "Hey mom! How's it going? Just saying, hi. I'm off to Vauxhall Tavern for a night on the town! Love ya! Cheers!"

[quote]Case's cosmetic surgeon should be tarred and feathered in Chancellor Park.

Is it surgery or injectables?

Noah should come home alone and let Chance comfort him. Conner Floyd looked so hot today.

Conner could be in a clown suit and be hot. Sharon is acting her ass off in this storyline, but her botoxed face and the water works were a lot to deal with and watch today.

Today’s episode was great all-around.

Zenk and Wise seem like happy campers.

Sharon must've been the most stylish gal in the prison holding cell while she was locked up waiting to be arraigned. .. That cute vegan leather moto jacket she was wearing today when they came home cost $300. File under: " I always dress for my mugshot."

Are we supposed to imagine that Pervy Ian (who likes 'em young) and Aunt Jordan are sharing that bed at the Notel-Motel they're hiding out in? .. I used to think Jordan might have some kind of lesbian-ish fixation on Nikki Reed, since she kept photos of the former stripper when she was young and once mentioned Nikki's "Hot Hips" video.

With Ashley out of the psych hospital and back in Genoa City(?), are we ever going to find out what *big trauma* occurred to her when she was young that caused her to come down with DID in the first place?

I wonder if Victor took Glissade and raided all of its assets leaving the company in shambles. .. As I recall, that's what his plans for Prentiss Industries were when he took control of that company back in the 80s, but I think Lorie tricked him and got Lance's shares back before he was able to accomplish that.

And finally, any news on who's going to play Nate's half-bro, Damien? .. I hope to god they don't go and make the character a black stereotype where he's some down-and-out, loser-criminal-type who needs saving from himself simply because Amy told him his dead daddy wasn't his real daddy.

The Amy return/reveal is a big dud. No one cares. Poor Elena being brought to keep saying 'we're monitoring her very closely' is kind of insulting, when there is no scenes between her and Nate, or her reaction to Dullvon marrying Crabby. Is Brytni still dating whatshisname, the once one name wonder?

They need to do something with Audra, who has potential and get rid of the bores. Claire is a snooze.

Why weren't Faith, Mariah and Tessa at Sharon's arraignment? Was Faith off visiting friends instead? Why weren't Johnny and Katie at Abby's wedding? They live on the property now. So many holes in this stupid show.

The less of Messa the better. They've totally wasted the Audra character so that we get to spend time with Claire, who seems developmentally disabled, and is yet another fucking Newman. At least Dullvon and Drabby will be on their "honeymoon" for awhile.

R583 Agree. The less of Messa the better. How this Tessa character has lasted 8 years is a sign of incompetence. About 3 people will miss Tessa if she’s written out or killed off.

Will we get to see Aunt Jordan and Uncle Ian knock boots in that cheap motel bed?

There's still a fairly significant "Teriah" fan base out there.

Don't ask me why. I have no clue what the attraction to this anemic couple is. Perhaps like gay men who watch this genre looking for something-anything, these lesbian fangirls do it because there's not much else.

The lezzys have to go.

Y&R is looking better since Ed Scott returned.

And the stories even feel a little more coherent now. I guess with Scott overseeing producing, Josh Griffith can focus on the storytelling.

When did Ed Scott officially return? I first noticed Ed Scott's name in the credits as senior producer a few weeks ago.

Ancient MAGA Ed's first episode was November 4.

Why did Y&R bring back Ed Scott? He's been gone for almost 20 years. I thought he was content over at B&B.

Kinda weird that Sony brought him back to Y&R, since he was FIRED from their other soap (Days) under a cloud of bad behavior.

Wasn't it Lynn Marie Latham who originally pushed Ed Scott out of Y&R as part of her quest to install her husband, Bernard Lechowick, as EP?

Or was Ed gone before LML got to Y&R? I can't recall the exact timeline.

Isn’t Ed Scott in his 80’s? Jesus Christ - fucking retire already. He’s gonna die in the control room. Does he not want to be at home with Mel?

Mel is at work, too.

They need someone in place when they fire Griffith, who should never have been HW and EP.

[quote] Or was Ed gone before LML got to Y&R? I can't recall the exact timeline

R592 The answer is both.

Ed left the first time in 2001 when he was EP. He and then-HW, Kay ALden, had their big dust-up over the casting of the "Sean Bridges" character, which was the first inkling that there were underlying "issues" between Bill Bell's two handpicked successors.

Scott then returned to Y&R in 2004 as a Senior Producer when Jack Smith was both EP and co-HW (with Alden), so he was basically in-charge and could be a buffer. And yes, he then left again in 2007 when Lathag enacted her "scorched earth" policy to get rid of all Bell vets.

CBS is tightening up their 2 current soaps to give BTG a good starting foundation.

BTG is gonna fail. Mark my words. 1.1 million viewers their first week, similar to The Talk. Then downhill as the curiosity factor wears off.

Time for a new thread.

I'M STILL DEAD BITCHES!