CNN’s Van Jones, On Verge of Tears, Says Biden Should Be Replaced: ‘If He Will Let Us’

The way he walked out and then babbled blew it from the start. Oh Joe.

I’d like to bring Van Jones to tears with a slow, deep and nonstop rimming.

The way he walked out and then babbled blew it from the start. Oh Joe.

I swear I thought I saw both Biden and Trump had to be seated before the cameras went live, I thought that was deliberate to spare Joe being seen as you describe.

It was a condition of Trump's team that they stand.

Van Jones is a crier.

Replace Joe Now.

Poor ill Biden had to lead Joe off the stage after dismal debate.. Unguided I wonder where he would have wound up

Joe looked like a slack-jawed corpse while Trump spoke. I was worried that a June bug or some other winged insect was going to fly right into his gaping mouth during one of the reaction shots.

Why has it taken THIS LONG for people to "notice" there's a lot wrong with Biden? It's almost like the media has conspired to keep his condition under wraps, or something! Everything today is captured on video, yet it took this long?

Oh noes, OP...yet another thread?

Van Jones is a dumb bitch

[quote] Why has it taken THIS LONG for people to "notice" there's a lot wrong with Biden? I

Maybe because anybody who tried to point out the problem was call Boris and silenced; and the specifics posted were "disappeared" by head in the sand denial.

At what point do we start calling this elder abuse, though? Serious question.

Van Jones is telling the truth. It's not anti-Biden or anti-Dems to say Biden was a catastrophe tonight. He just was. Yes, we know the orange menace is full of shit but it wouldn't surprise me if those "undecided" focus on the most obvious aspect of tonight's debate: Joe's devastatingly poor performance.

Well. I didn't watch and I'm glad.

Can someone please comfort me? Tell me it was THAT bad?

PLEASE?

I also didn't watch the debate. I just watched the post-debate crying on MSNBC and CNN. Analysis of their body language and voice stress levels would indicate YES, It was THAT bad.

[quote]Can someone please comfort me? Tell me it was THAT bad?

Trump actually seemed to restrain himself from going as hard on Biden’s cognitive issues as he could have whenever Biden misspoke. I think it was out of fear that Biden will be replaced with a stronger candidate if he’s destroyed on the debate stage. So, yes — it was bad, but it could have been worse?

Young Turks turn on Biden. Declare the race is over.

ANDERSON COOPER is demoralized,

‘Is That How He Is Every Day?’ A Visibly Concerned Anderson Cooper Asks Kamala Harris About Joe Biden’s Condition

Interesting, POTUS is being told to step aside. But a convicted felon who usurped the peaceful transition of power isn't being told to fuck off.

Very interesting times we live in.

You are uncomfortable with a slower moving candidate due to his age.

While his opponent, who is the same age,is a felon, who has promised to end democracy, he is your guy.

Why is a convict permitted to share the stage with POTUS.

Isn't this a security breech.

Your orange savior is a SECURITY BREECH.

I just don't appreciate the gaslighting about Joe Biden's "lifelong stutter." This man has been in politics for over 50 years and no such stutter has ever been detected nor seen. He could very easily formulate a coherent thought and spoke very clearly. People act like archive footage and the internet aren't a thing, now.

R21-------That is NOT going to work. We ALL know Trump is a crook. We are talking about BIDEN, who is fucking tanking his own campaign. I blame the DNC. I really do.

No. YOU aren't going to work. I am talking about your orange God.

R24 How does complaining about Trump help anything? You just keep throwing dirt at a filthy person. How are you not alarmed by the debate? WTF?

Quoting pure speculation from Mary Trump who makes a profitable career of cashing in on her decades long family feud. Looking at the polls she really hasn't scored very many points.

This look tells me “better renew that passport!”

Newsom is the man for me!

I dare not speak against your lord and savior, Agent Orange, it is sacrilege.

This look makes my three-inch pecker become semi-erect.

Your insights are remarkable r26. Since you know everything, where IS that binder on election interference in 2016?

For the Dataloungers who drool over Dan Abrams----these were his political "analysts" tonite.....Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera. No joke. screenshot.

Hashtag winning, r32

Joe Biden will not be replaced. Joe Biden will be reelected.

Tonight was not good for Biden, but the country will not allow Trump back into the White House.

^^Thanks for the reassurance, Obi-Wan Kenobi.

President Biden did more than try his best. He has been tasked with restoring this country's presence on the international stage. He has been tasked with moving this country forward from the chaos wrought by a fascist who was too busy grifting to attend to a crisis. But you don't want to move forward. You want to go back and eat shit from a diaper. Scat Queens. You don't do democracy. You don't understand it. And you want orange permanently installed in the White House for all time. President Biden must step aside. He's, like, so old! Orange? A convict? And the same age as POTUS, must be installed in the White House. Again. Permanently.

Did you ever ask why Jared Kushner and the daughter wife were grifted a prominent role in the government, with no experience. Grifted a full security clearance? With no experience?

Van Jones is crying because President Biden is old and slower moving in his advanced age. Bidens got to go! Van Jones isn't crying about a convict, who attempted to usurp American democracy, sharing the stage with POTUS as if IT is a legitimate candidate. President Biden's age is the topic. Not this 👇

I’m horrified today - the possibility of Trump winning is growing and that is very disturbing

R12, Van Jones is a Yale Law grad. I'd like to see you get through one fucking semester at Yale Law. Go ahead, give it a whirl.

These faux alarmist anti-Trumpers here like r38 are so obvious.

STFU.

We all know about what you posted.

This is about Biden.

This debate was the shitshow we all knew it would be. Trump lied, Biden stumbled.

These debates do little to sway the electorate. There’s no one voting in November that doesn’t know what they’re getting with these two candidates. No one.

The only winners, yet again, are the media outlets who get to make breathless pronouncements about the state of the union and the doom we all face if we don’t do as our corporate overlords advise. Fuck them and this game. VOTE.

A vote for Joe is a vote against Trump and that's why Biden still gets my vote.

These comments are terrifying. I didn’t watch and now I’m glad I didn’t. Still voting dem.

R36 attention idiot - everyone saying we want Biden replaced is saying that because they hate Trump. It isn't a smokescreen to hide our secret desires to see Trump win. You realize that 90 percent of the population is functionally retarded? They can't read a fifth grade level book let alone understand what the president actually does or how the government functions. Biden look too old that's all they'll ever be able to wrap their head around. Dems need to wake up and pivot NOW.

Billions of third world refugees mourn

Pretty bad when even the NY Post can’t even make fun of you.

any remarks from mark cuban? he said he would vote for biden even he's really bad mentally...I can't remember his exact words

Has Susan Dey commented?

Uncle Joe will retire if we ask him nicely. But he may ask us to pull his finger first.

If they let Biden keep his Playskool Oval Office the Power Brokers can ease him out without his ever realizing

Please spare us the "this is elder abuse" concern trolling.

Don’t worry, Biden lovers. Grandpa would rather drive into a tree than give up the car keys. Only an act of God can stop him.

“When I die, I want to die like my grandfather who died peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like all the passengers in his car.”

Is bawling all the time Van Jones' shtick? Gag.

Van Jones is an insufferable twat.

Anytime, any position, Van.

Van Jones is a fucking moron who can go fuck himself. Jesus fucking christ. Why does anyone have this moron on their shows? He's always awful.

Kicking a stutterer when he's obviously suffering from a cold.

Nice.

I would totally Mandingo with Van Jones.

I have never watched his show so I don't even know who he is but a man crying on TV? c'mon!!!! toughen up!

Get better taste and more self-respect, R60

R62, I'd tell you to mind your business but you evidently have none if you're sweating who wants to bang Van Jones.

Unclench, dear.

You buying, r40? Are you? Because I will absolutely take you up on that offer.

Jones is a sniveling bitch. Always has been.

We're a laughing stock on the world stage. That's just the reality. Even Japan thinks we're a joke. Translate the comments. The consensus of the comments, and overall opinion of the guy in the video, is that Biden doesn't seem cognitively fit to serve as president. This is embarrassing.

[quote] Even Japan thinks we're a joke.

Australia also had a big laugh

How hard were they laughing when dump sold them out?

But go ahead and think dump is a better alternative. He’s already sold your nuclear secrets and spies out. Guess you want to be invaded by China? You wanna speak Chinese?

“You wanna speak Chinese?”. Do you want to learn English, R67?

There is no “Chinese” language - the national language is Mandarin with Cantonese spoken widely in the Pearl River Delta.

Whose nuclear secrets and spies, R67? You sound a little confused yourself.

Recognizing Biden’s abysmal performance doesn’t equate to supporting Trump.

It's not about President Biden, or his age. This is about American democracy. You don't get it due to the fact you're a magat. The other guy literally and figuratively tried to put the breaks on American democracy and install himself along with the mouth breathers in his immediate circle in the White House permanently. Again, you don't see a problem with this because you're a magat.

Orange got 2 Supreme Court picks, and they are taking away rights hard fought and won.

Absolutely. Laughable

Yes, it does, r68.

It’s a binary choice. Either Joe or death.

China would love to bribe the orange traitor to turn his head while they invade Japan, South Korea and every other SE Asian country. How long do you think it would take Xi to invade Australia without the US Navy support?

You can be pedantic, but the rest of us have read the history. You can either be for your freedom or hop your train to the reeducation camp.

R71 What if Biden drops dead before the election. Would we be doomed? And, if he’s irreplaceable, should we eliminate presidential term limits? Oops — he currently has a 7 year life expectancy. Oh shit.

[quote] It’s a binary choice. Either Joe or death.

Or a Ternary choice, counting down a president's term whether you like him or not. Just as the opposition did under Obama and now must do under Biden.

Well R72 if you’re going to tell me that I’m being pedantic I feel obliged to tell you that Japan and South Korea are in North Asia, thousands of kilometres from South East Asia.

I appreciate that you feel strongly about this but you lose the argument with the bluster and factually incorrect postings.

No, R73. It's a binary choice. It'll be either Biden or Trump. It'll be either continued Democracy or a Fascist authoritarian Christian Theocracy and Kakistocracy. There is no magical third option.

He’s such an asshole

I didn't watch the debates because I know I'm voting for Biden.

Van Jones has been against Biden running for 2024 for at least 2 years now.

[quote] Yes, it does, [R68].

[quote]It’s a binary choice.

This is what autism looks like.

What, only autistic people can state simple, obvious, mathematical facts?

[quote]China would love to bribe the orange traitor to turn his head while they invade Japan,

r71 The vast majority of Japanese people don't feel any more secure with Biden in office because they think he's too weak on China, their greatest enemy. If you followed Japanese media, you'd know this. But, that would require you to learn and understand Japanese, of course.

Or even to locate Japan on a map.

Well, Japan can take their chances with dump then.

Biden-ojiisan need tea and futon. Not nuclear codes

Didn't Van Jones get dragged at some point for gushing that Donald had "finally turned presidential"?

And all the pundits all need to take a long walk off a short pier.

You’re blaming Japan for Biden’s debate performance, R83?

And not sure where you’re going with Japan’s nuclear codes - Japan has no nuclear weapons.

But then it seems that logic and facts aren’t exactly your core competencies.

Sorry for appearing pedantic, R83 - but I’ll ask again - whose nuclear secret and spies are you referring to in R67? I’m curious.

r86 I'm r84. I made the "nuclear codes" joke. r83 Has no idea what "ojiisan" means nor can he read the kanji in the signature. But he knows a lot about what Japan thinks about both candidates, somehow.

Anyway, I'm still searching high and low for this "lifelong stutter" Biden has apparently had. It is, weirdly, very difficult to find evidence of this pre-2020.

All good R88 - I was referring to R83 who did refer to Japan’s supposed nuclear secrets upthread in R67.

lol. You know how many elections I’ve lived through where the media declares a candidate just destroyed their campaign because of a poor debate?

Americans have the attention span of a gnat. There will be another debate in 2 months.

I don’t watch presidential debates because they’re meaningless. I especially won’t watch a debate with Donald Trump. This is his third go-round and “moderators” let him lie like a motherfucker.. Enough is enough. And I never, ever …ever …watch CNN. I dont watch any “cable news.” It’s as real as wrestling.

And Biden shouldn’t have taken part in debates with Trump anyway. He should’ve said, “Been there, done that.” (I didn’t watch those debates either)

Ah. r89 In r67's defense, I think he was referring to Australia. Then again, they also don't have nuclear weapons, so who knows what he's on about.

Excuse me, I'm going back to hunt for this elusive, but "ever-present," Biden stutter. So far, I keep coming across a very alert and articulate man who had his wits about him and could string two sentences together. Very frustrating discovery, indeed.

How interesting that liberal CNN and NYTimes seem so hellbent on getting rid of Biden. As different posters are offering on social media, maybe it’s because their ratings were better and they were more profitable with big-money Trump in the WH—or else, their more radical progressive staff hope for an even more “woke” Dem to seize the Presidency and carry out more extreme leftist agenda? I just don’t get it.

R66 you linked to two ultra-right-wing Australian shock jocks. Most of Australia is crestfallen and disturbed by Joe Borden’s performance. When the USA sneezes, Australia catches a cold.

This is fucking Hillary all over again. Biden is going to lose and Idiot Trump is going back to the White House. On the upside it will be nice to have a president who doesn't allow children sex change operations. And of course biological men won't be allowed to steal womens sports medals anymore either.

I just watched "highlights" of last nights train wreck...I mean debate. God, you Americans are really fucked.

[quote]How interesting that liberal CNN and NYTimes seem so hellbent on getting rid of Biden.

More importantly, why is Biden hellbent on going down in flames — taking the whole party and the country with him — instead of retiring gracefully so that a younger, sharper, and more charismatic candidate can take his place and beat Trump?

Van Jones is a slimy, grimy, lying grifter that goes to whoever and wherever the check is signed. Don't be fooled by the self-righteous fool.

Fuck Van Jones. And fuck CNN.

R97, so true. I think he’s a hack and very mercenary.

[quote]why is Biden hellbent on going down in flames

Because there is no one who is better that can replace him. He's beat Trump, he has proven himself at least once. Name a real person who could do the same. Hiltz could not do it, all the Republicans who he debated the first time could not do it. Not even obnoxious Kristy could not do it. Nor could corporate Romney.

Didn't Van Jones get something like 100 million from Bezos after he did that stupid penis flight into space?

R90 A motherfucka doesn't even lie as much as Trump.

[quote] He's beat Trump

Oh, dear.

Van Jones prefers white meat.

Did Van Jones suggest a viable alternate candidate to Joe?

Because until there's a viable alternate who can beat tRump , there's no point in discussing Biden stepping down.

[quote]Because there is no one who is better that can replace him.

That's absurd. In "the greatest country on earth"? Fuck off.

Van Jones just needs to go away.

Van Jones, the man who helped Kim Kardashian study for her bar exam.

You should take him seriously. Democrats are worried and rightly so. The problem isn’t former Biden voters in swing states switching to Trump. The problem is them not coming to the polls.

Sticking your head in the sand and saying “lalalala Boris” is exactly what will get Trump elected.

To the guy who keeps posting this "orange man bad" shit - WE KNOW. That's why we're upset. Are you capable of holding more than one thought in your head? We're like the ones who scream at you (and each other) that the bridge under our feet is crumbling and you refuse to acknowledge it but also keep shouting back how cold the water is and that the fall might kill us. You're one braincell away from calling everyone Boris.

Biden is not "crumbling".

Obama had a terrible, awful, bad debate and won anyway.

Stop wetting the fucking bed, you spineless coward. The ticket is Biden/Harris. Square your fucking shoulders and get out and vote for them, and for every other Democrat on the ballot, because the threat from the GOP is VERY REAL and it's SO MUCH MORE THAN TRUMP. You're not voting for a single man, you're voting for an entire administration. And Biden surrounds himself with highly competent, hard-working, good, decent people who GET THE JOB DONE.

R110, Obama was then 51 years old, Biden is now 81 years old.

In 1980, there were serious concerns in the media and elsewhere that Reagan was too old to be running for President and he was then 69.

R111, you say that like it's meaningful.

The alternative is still Trump, who is just as old, and who is clearly suffering dementia and who is a narcissistic sociopath and a complete monster who will destroy everything.

So WTF is your problem here? The choice is still as clear as a bell. Stop whining.

[quote] Biden is not "crumbling".

To crumble he'd need some solidity. This has been more of a balloon's steady deflation.

These short term Hair On Fire threads need to be closed and deleted, not to be zombied later in the year by Trolls.

Let the Trolls work harder.

Oh fuck off R114. Seriously.

R113, If you cannot see the difference in comparing a 51 year old to an 81 year old, then there’s obviously no hope for you.

Obama was expected to bounce back in the second debate, the same expectation is not there for Biden.

Whoever DNC picks, if you are a Democrat, vote for them. How many Republicans hate Trump but are voting for him anyway?

The DNC doesn't "pick".

Voters picked from those who chose to run in the primaries. Biden won overwhelmingly. It wasn't even close.

Biden should have never agreed to do any debates. All this does is legitimize Trump by pretending that he's a qualified Presidential candidate rather than a convicted felon awaiting sentencing.

Biden's campaign should be showcasing Kamala Harris more to demonstrate that she's Presidential material. Many people have concerns about whether she's ready for the job if Biden can't complete 4 years.

Kamala has a fantastic team backing her — she’ll do fine.

[quote] Biden's campaign should be showcasing Kamala Harris more to demonstrate that she's Presidential material.

They won’t because she’s not and a total trainwreck.

It wasn't even a primary. Come on.

(rolling eyes at the misogynist racist asshat at R123)

Van Jones has always been on the lookout for something to whine and squall about. He's a mouthy bitch who needs to stay in his lane.

[quote]That's absurd. In "the greatest country on earth"? Fuck off.

Is that why America elected Trump? Was he the best?

America didn't elect Donald Trump. He lost the popular vote, remember? He won by a stupid technicality.

Popular votes are irrelevant if your system does not account for that. So you are saying anyone working in your electoral system who wins in the best, and so the best you had to offer the world was Trump.

While ya'all have been pissing the bed, the corrupt supreme court has dismantled the federal government.

Which is EXACTLY why we need to stick with Biden.

Alito and Thomas will be gone and we need to give Biden two SCOTUS picks.

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Which is EXACTLY why we need to stick with Biden.

Alito and Thomas will be gone and we need to give Biden two SCOTUS picks.

I think what happened was, despite all the bad polls, many of us were just hanging in there with Joe but when his performance did nothing to dispel the trolling, we had a break with him. He’s got to go.

He’s not going to be much use in that regard if he loses, r132.

And he’s going to lose.

[quote]He’s got to go.

Not happening, r133.

[quote]And he’s going to lose.

No he isn't, r134.

If you want Biden to step down, like LBJ, we have to look back and decide if 1968 was worth it. LBJ withdrew, Hubert Humphry became the Democratic nominee and Nixon/Agnew THE MOST FUCKING CORRUPT REPUBLICAN TICKET IN HISTORY, won in a landslide even with racist George Wallace running as a third party candidate. Baby MAGA won in 1968. LBJ should have not given up. LBJ threw us to the wolves. We have to believe that any replacement at this time will ALSO LOSE TO TRUMP.

This is 1968 with a more corrupt Republican than Nixon and a corrupt Republican Party.

The same players are around from 1968

R136, It was not a landslide victory for Nixon in 1968. The popular vote was rather close, but Nixon excelled in the Electoral College tabulations.

The results were not known until the next morning.

Do you think Van Jones is shedding a tear about this:

r138, you have to consider that TODAY, Nixon would get all the RACIST George Wallace votes. It was a landslide for white racists.

No one posted orange is bad, that is a grotesque understatement.

Agent Orange is ending American democracy. The guardrails are off. I don't have to ask if you are capable of understanding this, you can't and you don't understand this.

In your twisted magat fantasy, a plump convict with a bad hair weave and a face covered with orange pancake makeup, shitting in his diaper possesses more masculine vigor than POTUS.

This is on you. You don't become a magat because you are capable of logical thought or personal insight.

[quote]Agent Orange is ending American democracy.

Trump IS the puppet.

The puppeteers are White Supremacist Billionaires who corrupted the Senate, whose Senators went on to Corrupt the Supreme Court.

Biden has to wage war on Senate Republicans if he has a chance of stopping their Anschluss on America.

r138 Seeing California red and Texas blue, as a millennial, is wild.

[quote] He won by a stupid technicality.

The technicality being the very same Constitutional rules that decide EVERY presidential election

Joe Biden could be in a coma and I'd vote for him to keep Trump out of the White House.

[quote] Joe Biden could be in a coma and I'd vote for him

You have excellent changes of getting your wish

R145, people are writing that of some variation on it endlessly here.

The problem is that not enough other people will do the same.

Is the goal to be self-righteous or to win?

What kind of person would let a criminally corrupt felon, conman, fraud, and traitor win?

Anyone who wouldn't fall all over themselves to vote for Biden in November is a fucking traitor to the Constitution, and is stabbing everyone in this country in the back.

Where is Biden THRIVING? Not the Black Community. Not the Latino Community. Not the Trans Community. The Israel-Gaza conflict is losing him votes on both sides. Where is Biden gaining ground? No where.

I'm voting for the guy who respects the rule of law.

I'm voting for the guy who believes in democracy.

I'm voting for the guy that supports workers & unions.

I'm voting for the guy that got roads & bridges fixed.

I'm voting for the guy who created jobs & raised wages.

I'm voting for the guy that doesn't lie every single time he opens his mouth.

I'm voting for the guy who isn't a convicted felon with many dozens of charges still pending.

I'm voting for the guy that Putin and China DON'T like, but that all our allies DO like.

I'm voting for the guy that didn't bang a porn star while his third wife (who he cheated on his second wife with) was home with their newborn anchor baby.

I'm voting for the guy who can still ride a bike, and who doesn't babble about batteries and sharks and shit.

I'm voting for the guy who has the most progressive, accomplished, and successful first term in modern times.

I'm voting for the guy who surrounds himself with competent hard workers that get shit done.

I'm voting for Joe Biden.

Why is this even a question? WTF is wrong with people? The choice is the easiest choice I've ever had to make.

If Joe Biden staying in the race ACTUALLY meant Trump would win, Fox & their ilk, overt & covert, would be praising the President’s performance non-stop & preaching to the rafters that Biden dropping out would be a disaster

Yet they all seem to agree he has to go…

FUNNY THAT.

R150 = You want Joe of yesteryear. The confused old man from the debate is in his place now. Do not blame voters. [bold] NOW we know why Biden wouldn't debate Dean Phillips in the primary. [/bold]Blame the hubris of the Biden Administration and the Democratic National Committee. It's not the voters fault. I am a Democrat. Sorry, but I am not voting for someone who performs like this.

R150 - that’s great, and honorable. What if you had the opportunity to vote for a person who had a better chance at beating Trump in November?

R150 You do that. You would also vote for a carton of milk if it's anti Trump and that's okay. That's not an argument for the carton of milk being fit for office though. Take a candidate who can talk, walk, and answer questions. How hard can it be? There are more voters than just you and to those, these things matter.

I'm starting to think Trump Derangement Syndrome might be an actual thing. Normally, mental afflictions end up harming the afflicted and those around them. If you're so anti-Trump that you can't admit that Biden's presence is a liability that will end up biting the Democratic party, and this country, in the ass maybe you, too, should sit this one out. The democrats need a better candidate.

They should have put more color on Biden's face, why was the makeup so pale he looked like a light bulb.

What r154 said.

and r150, I assure you, the choice is easy for me, too. I'll vote Biden if he's the candidate.

That doesn't, however, shut down discussion of whether Biden SHOULD BE the candidate.

and I think this whole thing of it being too late to change candidates is overblown.

I see it as invigorating the convention in Chicago, with Old Joe himself getting to make the nominating speech.

I think Kamala Harris is unfairly underrated. I think she'd be a good US President.

But the painful, unfair, sickening reality is that Kamala Harris can't be the candidate. She will lose to Trump on the scale of Mondale losing to Reagan.

Real men wear pancake makeup and diapers. Real men take orders from despot.

"President Biden is too old (4 years older than it) and must leave the campaign". "But his replacement can't be Kamala Harris, the VPOTUS, she will lose". You Magats make a lot of orders. But you have not atoned for attempting to end Democracy.

R153, name someone who has a better chance of beating Trump in November. Go ahead. Try.

R155, if you're not anti-Trump enough to realize that the most important thing in the entire world is ensuring Trump is defeated, you are the problem.

Joe Biden can walk, talk, speak, debate, lead, negotiate, etc., JUST FINE. He had ONE OFF NIGHT for chrissakes. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

[quote]I think this whole thing of it being too late to change candidates is overblown.

It's not.

Why the fuck would you throw away the power of incumbency, throw away the guy who has literally had the best administration in your lifetime, has literally accomplished more progress than any President in your lifetime... and take a risk on some unknown that NOBODY CAN AGREE ON ANYWAY? Why would you do that over one poor debate performance where the moderators were shit, Trump lied every time he spoke, and Biden was suffering from a cold and having traveled literally all over the world the last month?

GET SOME FUCKING PERSPECTIVE, DUMBASSES. Jesus. Do you WANT to lose to Trump, and lose EVERYTHING you hold dear and value? Jesus fuck, what is wrong with you people?

[quote]ake a candidate who can talk, walk, and answer questions. How hard can it be? There are more voters than just you and to those, these things matter.

Well then, Trump should be out of the game if you want to be intellectually honest.

[quote]Blame the hubris of the Biden Administration and the Democratic National Committee.

No, blame Joe. Apparently one thing he can always remember is his hubristic conviction that he's the only man, woman or carton of milk in America that can beat a corroded, corrupted moron like Trump.

Biden/Icarus '24.

[quote]What kind of person would let a criminally corrupt felon, conman, fraud, and traitor win?

Right now to close or slightly more than half the country.

I’m already tired of this stupid conversation. Yep, he did bad. Don’t care. There is no alternative path and Trump is a felon who wants to throw me and my friends in prison. Shut up and get to work. — The New York Times wants Biden gone — but they seem OK with a convicted felon. PUTIN wants Biden gone. That alone is enough to make me want him in office, never mind the 10,000 other reasons.

Democrats want to avoid the chaos of 1968 and are not expected to pressure Biden into retirement.

Democratic leaders, including House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, have no plans to push Biden to drop out of the presidential race despite his recent poor debate performance. They believe Biden can recover and strategize to improve his campaign.

However while Trump's debate performance was deemed better by some polls, it didn't inspire confidence among swing state voters. Independents are coming to Biden after the debate. Most "normal" people didn't watch and this tempest-in-a-tea-pot won affect their votes come November.

[quote]Most "normal" people didn't watch and this tempest-in-a-tea-pot won affect their votes come November.

You really believe "most normal people" don't know what went on Monday night? You're kidding yourself.

On the verge of collapse

I can admit Biden didn’t have his best performance but he answered every question, had receipts, it's just his delivery just was not great. Imagine throwing him away just because he didn’t sound like how you wanted. Unreal! Too many of you are ageist, dramatic and annoying. Go to hell!

This is like RBG all over. But with an opportunity to do something.

Some of you goofy nincompoops sat out 2016 because you didn't like Hillary, and because of your selfishness, we have a rogue Supreme Court that is dismantling our protections.

Now, you same goofy nincompoops are doing it again with a debate that doesn't mean shit. Wake up.

R171, if you mother fuckers had voted for Hillary, the RGB thing wouldn't have been an issue.

And just like then, if you motherfuckers would shut up and vote for Biden and every Democrat you can, THERE WON'T BE AN ISSUE.

The power of the exclamation point has made me reverse my view entirely. God bless you, R170!

R173, go motherfuck off. I voted for Hillary, gave money, and have never voted for a Republican. But I suppose you enjoy making up false enemies to justify your bad choices.

Again, you seem utterly fascinated by form over function, R174. How shallow are you?

Sorry, R176, I never meant to suggest you fascinated me.

If Joe stays, Trump wins. Some of you are in deep denial, or not very bright.

1. Biden is not stepping down, nor should he.

2. Biden is the best chance Democrats have of winning.

3. Critics seem to have lost all sense of humanity over one 90 min debate.

4. A healthy, well rested Biden is an excellent candidate.

5. A TV debate is not the election.

If you show up to vote, Biden wins. Some of you are in deep denial, or not very bright.

[quote] Biden is the best chance Democrats have of winning.

lol. Enjoy your additional four years of Trump.

I am not sure Trump wins, but Joe now, after that and as he is, really heightens the risk of it.

This is not a test of loyalty. It's a cold, hard political calculation.

I remember the DL of 2020, when the majority of you were screaming he was too old [italic]then.[/italic]

R180 thinks if Trump wins, it's just 4 years. First off, he'd likely not last that. Second of all, the people he would usher into the halls of power would suspend the Constitution and eliminate legitimate elections. There would be no 2028. There will be no chance if any of you voting for Democrats and having any hope they'd win, if you're even allowed to vote at all.

[quote]Some of you are in deep denial, or not very bright.

That describes you to a "T".

[quote]Critics seem to have lost all sense of humanity over one 90 min debate.

So you think the meandering and incomprehensible gibberish was just a one time event?

[quote]A healthy, well rested Biden is an excellent candidate.

For 7 days he had been resting and preparing for the debate at Camp David. How much resting does he need?

[quote]A TV debate is not the election.

The whole purpose of a debate is to sway voters.

For those who think replacing Biden would help defeat Trump, here’s a question:

How long has it been since a party in the WH held on to the WH without incumbency?

36 years.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Has Van Jones stopped crying yet?

The Van Jones and Anderson Coopers are protecting a colleague of theirs. Orange is a media personality who is protected by his peers.

[Quote] Very interesting times we live in. You are uncomfortable with a slower moving candidate due to his age. While his opponent, who is the same age,is a felon, who has promised to end democracy, he is your guy.

Incomprehensible this got 20 likes. This represents the exact binary most brainwashed cable news supplicants let themselves be sucked into. Whataboutism and denial. You attack our guy? Well your guy is worse. No regard to whether Dems and never Trumpers will stay home rather than vote for a man who has trouble forming a sentence and is expected to endure 4 more years. “Slow moving” is a gross understatement acknowledged by everyone who watched the full debate.

Of course Trump is worse! There are myriad lawsuits to prove it. You’re pretending half the country doesn’t despise and reject him. Biden can still be a man who should be in memory care in a nursing home. The Democratic party can still hope to put forward a candidate that doesn’t make Dems cringe and cross their fingers every time he speaks.

Never get an answer to this but asking again: what would you guys be saying if Joe Biden, as he is, after Monday, was the Republican nominee?

O please, not Van Phucking Jones.

Will no one rid us of this meddlesome creep?

r187 I just don't understand how these people can look at past clips of Joe Biden, stutter-free, alert, and articulate, and not see a completely different person today. I'm indifferent to him and always have been, but the way he was struggling Monday kinda made me see him as a feeble, elderly man who is struggling to run things and it was as embarrassing as it was discomforting.

I was actually starting to feel bad for him because it's not funny anymore. There is something genuinely wrong with him. To ignore this is irresponsible and borderline cruel at this point.

If Biden does remove himself, who will his loyal supporters blame. Will they blame the media or democrats that called for change? They will have to blame someone.

Van Jones worked for the president and is real about shit. Biden’s deficiencies used to be just regular old people shit. He is beyond that.

The NY Times would not publish an article asking for Buden to step down even if they down wtf was up. They wanted to for the past year. The debate gave them ammunition to do so. Previously, they were giving in to political pressure.

Who you think has been feeding the rumor mill for the past year. Now just Magas. But young people who work on Capitol Hill and interact with the president.

I can't believe you are all falling for this. The debate was obviously a deep, cheap fake. Some of you will fall for anything. Russian Magats.

Oh my god fucking Mac and Me. You just want to tip the kids wheelchair over.

sorry wrong thread

[quote]The whole purpose of a debate is to sway voters

Actually, that's just a made up concept you have bought into. Debates like that didnt exist when America was born. It was not written into the constitution, it was not done in person before TVs were invented either. It was not the intent of the founders of our country. Reason being, running a country is totally different than preoperative debating skills.

Someone with masterful arguing skills does not mean they know how to run an office, a city or a country. Totally different skill sets.

televised debates started with Kennedy/Nixon.

R196

That was a one time deal r198, not an established tradition.

Without a doubt if Biden/Harris was swapped out for some as-yet-nobody-can-agree-on ticket at the last minute, they'd lose. This is what happens when that is done. We have experience. We have history.

And it's not a false dichotomy to say that if you don't vote for Biden/Harris, you get Trump and that that will be a disaster. And it's not wrong to respond to all the whining about this or that with Biden/Harris by pointing out how massively worse Trump is. It's called Perspective.

We have a process for if a President becomes incapacitated and can no longer server, or dies in office. We've used it. It's in the Constitution. Harris has been training for 4 years for that job and she will do it fine. Are you really so afraid of a black woman becoming President that you'd even THINK of risking Trump and his white supremacist Christian Theocrats taking power and never letting it go again? Seriously, wtf is wrong with you people?

Biden/Harris is the ticket. Get behind them, or get Trump.

Swapping out Harris is a no-brainer. She ain't it.

Is he still dating Kim K?

R200 I hear you but can you tell me the past examples.

[quote]Are you really so afraid of a black woman

Fucking Christ. It's like you people's brains are on a cult-loop incapable of nuance and rational thought. I meann, goddamn, is this thing A.I? The only individuals who think this way are in cults.

No, R204, when it's clear as can be that the only real objection to Harris is sexism & racism. Because there are no legitimate reasons to want to pass over her when she's literally one of the most qualified, experienced, and effective VPs you could possibly name.

No one else has the money to run right now at the drop of a hat except Kamala Harris. She has access to the Biden/Harris campaign money. It cannot be given to anyone else until AFTER the campaign is over.

[quote]Actually, that's just a made up concept you have bought into. Debates like that didnt exist when America was born. It was not written into the constitution, it was not done in person before TVs were invented either. It was not the intent of the founders of our country. Reason being, running a country is totally different than preoperative debating skills. Someone with masterful arguing skills does not mean they know how to run an office, a city or a country. Totally different skill sets.

What are you babbling on about??

Do tell us: why was the Commission on Presidential Debates created?

[quote]she's literally one of the most qualified, experienced, and effective VPs you could possibly name.

List her qualifications and accomplishments, r205.

[quote] televised debates started with Kennedy/Nixon.

Great idea. That gave us Field Marshall Jack who gave us Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.

Jack who knew better than General MacArthur.

Van Jones is an idiot who is close friends with Jarvanka!

He's so impressed with everything that comes out of his mouth it's comical. If he weren't so good looking we'd never know his name.

Just fuck off Van Jones. Does anyone else remember when Drumpf gave some speech at the beginning of his presidency and Van said :

“At that moment, he just looked presidential .”

I’ll never fucking forget . Now he is Van Moron

It’s fascinating how the Keep Biden crowd is personally attacking just about anyone who is making the extremely warranted and reasonable suggestion that we look for another path before the convention. They’re not answering our questions about how Biden can win or how he can govern credibly given this humiliating performance. No, just attack Van Jones and the New York Times.

R212, maybe because it’s a completely unreasonable question. I mean, explain to us, in your infinite experience and wisdom with these things, the path forward TO. A. WIN. with another candidate. Go ahead.

Harris is a handicap. Regardless of what anyone thinks about a black woman, she is unelectable. Simply put, people just don't like her. You can't change that.

Joe Biden needs to step aside for the good of the country...for the good of democracy. We need a man like Governor Josh Shapiro to get the nomination. I agree with R214. Harris is unelectable as POTUS candidate. And I'll go further...only a man can defeat that racist, sexist, irresponsible, imbecile who is also a convicted felon.

Biden is unfit and everyone knows that. Trump is unfit and everyone with a brain in the world knows that. Are we supposed to just rally behind old Joe because he's not Trump? That is a tough strategy with the American people FEELING like they are poorer than ever and FEELING like crime/illegal immigration are at dangerous levels. It does not matter what facts and actual data you can show them to prove otherwise. People vote based on how they feel. Biden doesn't stand a chance of winning. He's already lost in the minds of many undecided. The undecided votes are the only ones that matter now.

[quote]And I'll go further...only a man can defeat that racist, sexist, irresponsible, imbecile who is also a convicted felon.

I agree, this time a man is needed. Keep it simple.

[quote]That is a tough strategy with the American people FEELING like they are poorer than ever and FEELING like crime/illegal immigration are at dangerous levels.

I know a lot of people in the working-class, and especially the Black community, are beyond pissed at the fact that migrants were getting prepaid cards for food and supplies. This especially stung that it was pushed through so quickly while actual struggling Americans are still waiting for their DHS applications to be approved or going through appeals over some bullshit. Yes, these decisions are mainly on state and city government levels. But most people see one party behind certain choices, and if the president happens to belong to that party, the president is seen as guilty by association to the average American.

That is how Biden, and Democrats as a whole, are losing a lot of the Black vote. Dems are fully conscious of the fact that such assistance programs are disproportionately needed in the Black community. They run their campaigns on this very issue. To then turn around and do something like this is a slap in the face and was, to me, political suicide.

Immigration should have been dealt with during the GWB years.

[quote] Are you really so afraid of a black woman becoming President

It’s not an unspecified black woman. It’s Kamala Harris, and she’s a problem.

R215 A Shapiro victory would be unlikely due to the Christian Nationalist Trumpster faction.

r218 i'm homeless in california making nearly 2k a week and don't qualify for assistance of any kind. it doesn't bother me because the party that's helping them is trying to help me too. republicans are less obstructive to democratic policy they think will be unpopular. the last thing they want is for poor whites to be helped.

r223 It should bother you because non-citizens, under no circumstances, should receive assistance before American citizens. That 2k per week check is lighter because of the taxes you pay. These people don't pay taxes. It's out of order and unacceptable.

R224 as far as I know they're the most tax positive demographic in the country because they contribute to payroll and sales tax but never get social security

r224 and to whatever extent that bothers me it motivates me to support more progressive candidates and wings within the democratic party. it would be absurd to become a republican voter - the gop wants me dead or in prison.

[quote]they contribute to payroll and sales tax but never get social security

r225 The migrants coming in are not contributing to payroll and sales tax. And how do you not know that food purchased with SNAP benefits is sales tax exempt? The migrants coming in aren't working and the government food assistance they receive allows them to purchase food without paying sales tax. Can you read up on how SNAP benefits function in this country, please? I mean...damn, man.

[quote]Sales tax cannot be charged on items bought with SNAP benefits.

Source:

Stupid argument.

Black Americans are disproportionate recipients of most government services i.e. welfare and if you want more stupidity, please note poor rural Americans received no 40 acres and a mule!

Almost 100% of Mar a Lago's employees are non-citizen immigrants! Why can't he hire black American taxpayers, huh? You'll certainly never hear the media ask him!

Van flip flopping right now on CNN.

[quote] Almost 100% of Mar a Lago's employees are non-citizen immigrants!

wow somebody should call Homeland Security and deport them

Yeah, r227. As if any but the smallest amount are on assistance. And that is because asylum seekers are prohibited from working for 30 days, down from the 150 days pre Biden. You are a hardcore idiot.

r231 You are a goalpost-shifter and tragically dim because the entire point is that they shouldn't receive government assistance nor be legally employable before every single US Citizen waiting for assistance and employment is properly taken care of first. Period.

It doesn’t matter whether Joe Biden respects the rule of law.

It doesn’t matter whether Joe Biden believes in democracy.

It doesn’t matter that Joe Biden supports workers & unions.

It doesn’t matter whether Joe Biden got roads & bridges fixed.

It doesn’t matter whether Joe Biden created jobs & raised wages.

It doesn’t matter what Biden has accomplished

It doesn’t matter that Biden beat Trump the last time.

It doesn’t matter that Biden can ride a bike.

Joe Biden needs to step aside because HE CANT WIN.

Biden needs to step aside because if he doesn’t, the Democrats are going to LOSE TO TRUMP.

Black Twitter is rightfully dragging his Stepin Fetchit ass.

I just saw Biden’s “ statement” about the SC decision —— no fire!!! Weak weak how did he get so fired up at the rally and can’t do it here? When he was done he did a weak about face and wandered off.

We truly need another candidate . And Debbie downer dems need to stop saying wah wah it won’t help ?????

Newsom could get people fired up to vote

No. Your orange Jesus lost bigly both times.

If it won why was it calling around looking for votes

How do we get Harris out of the way?

Who is we

R236 It doesn't matter how many votes one person has over the other. The only thing that matters is the Electoral College. Nixon won the popular vote against Kkennedy. Gore won the popular vote. Hillary won the popular.

And every day you get down on your crusty knees to say your prayer to Baphomet for the electoral college, your party hasn't won elections in decades without intervention.

If you are talking to me I voted for both Gore and Hillary and screamed at anyone who wanted Bernie because of abortion.

R242 That is devastating.

[quote] It doesn't matter how many votes one person has over the other.

They know that. It's just a game they play

You sacrificed a musty goat and a pet dog to thank Baphomet for the electoral college

Multiple sources tell him that there have been at least 15 occasions in the last year and a half “where the president has appeared like he did at that horror show (his debate performance).”

Bernstein reports that in the last six months sources have told him that there has been a marked incidence of cognitive decline.

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Remember Hillary's 3am call campaign commercial? Trump will probably buy the rights and run an updated version about 10am to 4pm Joe

Well don't give him any ideas R247

[quote]Trump is unfit and everyone with a brain in the world knows that. Are we supposed to just rally behind old Joe because he's not Trump?

You answered your own question, YES. MAGA is going to rally behind Trump at 100% full speed ahead no matter what. Even if you found a drema replacement for Biden, it would not change MAGA by a single vote. And Dems never back their own candidate 100% like Repugs do. So the answer is YES, at this point and time in history, Dems need to vote for Joe Biden no matter what. Or get used to saying President Trump for 4 more years and goodby to the Supreme court for another 40 years.

[quote]Joe Biden needs to step aside because HE CANT WIN.

[quote]Biden needs to step aside because if he doesn’t, the Democrats are going to LOSE TO TRUMP.

See you at the convention.

Biden needs to drop the hammer on the entire Republican Party.

He can't do it before he is locked in as the Nominee.

Until then he is running the country.

SCOTUS gave full immunity to POTUS or are MSNBC / CNN making that up?

If true, I say, let's turn the script on the Justices and let Joe Biden take out Trump: Joe will have full immunity.

Once it has been done, Joe can do whatever the fuck he wants, I'm down with it.

I know everyone has been joking about how Dems could take advantage the the ruling today, but the party leaders should really consider doing this. The supreme court gave them a new tool today. USE IT! Dont just hand it over the the neighborhood bully before you build a stronger fence and capt the bully at the knees.

I haven't even looked at this thread previously, but based on yesterday's Supreme Court ruling, Van Jones has much bigger things to cry and whine about now.

First, the Democrats aren't going to use this ruling to pull anything underhanded. That's not who they are. Second, even if they did, this Supreme Court would immediately step in and rule that the action in question is not an "official act."

I think that Biden may secure swing state validation of Electors by calling out the National Guard in Ohio, and Georgia. For example.

r233, A beautiful AI Troll post. I love the bothsiderism with the conclusion that Biden, not Trump, should go.

What bullshit.

We represent the Democratic Party. Why on Earth would we be responsible for their candidate? This is deep denial - like whining that the world isn’t fair. Those of us calling for Biden to step down are 100% committed to defeating that felon, rapist, traitor.

If you were really commuted to defeating Trump by having Biden step down, you would have a plan, a candidate willing to run, and the money lined up.

So do you want cheese with your whine? Or do you want to post your plan here and now.? Name names, not dream names but actual people who have said they would be willing to run right now.

R258, if you don't know that'a s ridiculous distraction from the discussion, let me be the first to tell you. What a silly proposal. What would it matter if R257 did? DL isn't deciding anything, you jackass.

With the ripple effect of the Biden debate debacle, the generic Congressional vote in the USA Today poll now has the GOP ahead by two points.

Well duh, the GOP is doing what you normally do, dont say anything and let the other guy dig a hole for themself with their own infighting.

Ripple effect, R260?

Seriously?

[quote] We need a man like Governor Josh Shapiro

List all of Shapiro’s accomplishments. We’ll wait.

R263, He has pillow soft lips.

R264 No that's Ben Shapiro, who deserves to be hate-fucked until his belly is full of lib cum.

I haven't even watched this yet. I just already know it's hilarious because...Josh Johnson.

Has the bitch stopped sniveling yet?

That is a tough strategy with the American people FEELING like they are poorer than ever and FEELING like crime/illegal immigration are at dangerous levels. It does not matter what facts and actual data you can show them to prove otherwise.

What sheltered world do you live in where you haven't noticed groceries and other essentials have gone up in price (some of them doubling in price)? People who aren't making more money then before, or who are on fixed incomes, do indeed FEEL like they're poorer. Because they ARE. They don't need to be shown data to figure that out.

Sorry, 1st paragraph should have been in quotes.^^^

[quote] do indeed FEEL like they're poorer. Because they ARE. They don't need to be shown data to figure that out.

Yes they ARE, and when they return home with their very more expensive groceries they see today Joe went on television bragging how much better off they are now

My condo fee has gone up $200 a month in 6 years. Because the services included in the fee have gone up so much in price. A kind of Cabot's cheese I used to buy for $5.99 around 3 years ago is now $8.99 - I can't afford to buy it any more. I'm sure it will soon be $9.99.

Sorry about wrecking the constitution, everybody, but in my defense my favorite cheese is more expensive.

I've mentioned before about a year and a half I dug deeply into the freezer and found a pre-covid overlooked and forgotten one pound pack of hamburger marked at $1.89. Looking at the online ad for the exact same package from the same store, tonight it's $5.99. Similarly a 2 liter pepsi that cost $1.25 under Trump from the same store now is $2,99. It's like that across the board.

Wow that's fascinating R273! I was going through my files and I found an old pay stub where I was making $1,540 per week and now it's $2,500. My how things change under Biden.

This is exactly why the Democrats are bleeding voters. People say they can't make ends meet due to rampant inflation and they respond with some variation on "suck it up, buttercup."

The Democrats used to be the party that championed the working class. Now they are at least as elitist as the Republicans used to be, and Republicans are the ones saying "we care about you and want you to have a good life, and have a plan to give you that life." They don't have any intention of following through, of course. But they're at least pretending to care, which Democrats these days seemingly can't be bothered to do.

[quote] I was going through my files and I found an old pay stub where I was making $1,540 per week and now it's $2,500. My how things change under Biden.

That’s how I picture it, the few who have benefitted under Biden basically saying fuck you to everyone else who hasn’t.

Wow, that went right over your head R276. It was a snark on how clueless it is for someone to point out that prices went up and blame it on Biden when it's a GLOBAL event. What are you implying by pointing out things used to be cheaper? We all know that....other than to assign blame on the current president which is wrong. He's actually minimized the effects of global inflation more than any other country.

So R275 would rather be lied to, instead of facing the harsh reality. Got it.

Why should the harsh reality be that Democrats don't give a shit anymore about people who are struggling financially?

Republicans these days are telling these people that they care about them and will help them. Democrats are telling them that they are to feel that they are barely keeping their heads above water. They quote statistics that supposedly prove that they are actually doing just fine. They shrug and say "guess you should have gotten a degree/a degree in something that actually matters." They call them deplorable.

In their place, who would YOU vote for? The party that pays you lip service and allows you to hope, or the party that tells you to sit down and shut the fuck up?

Telling them that they are *wrong* to feel...

You are putting worlds in the Democrats mouth. Dems are for the people, Joe Biden always says himself you grow the economy from the middle out not form the top down. That's not a message the Republicans ever say. Joe was the first president to join a union picket line to help workers demand more pay from private companies. Get the F out of here with your Dems are shaming people bullshit.

[quote]In their place, who would YOU vote for? The party that pays you lip service and allows you to hope, or the party that tells you to sit down and shut the fuck up? In their place, who would YOU vote for? The party that pays you lip service and allows you to hope, or the party that tells you to sit down and shut the fuck up?

As a thinking adult I would be skeptical of the people who tell me what I want to hear and open to someone who has an opposing view. Then I would look at what they did, not what they said.

What you are saying is all Americans are 5 year olds who respond to the lollypop oblivious to the pedo who handed it out. Maybe that is your view, but I chose to think most Americans are not that stupid. At least 50% of us anyways.

r272, except for transportation, that hamberder should not be much more expensive because Meat Processors has basically exempted themselves from FDA regulation and child labor laws.

Meat raising and packing monopolies can do what the fuck they want. And now that Monopolies can TIP government employees AFTER the fact, get ready to be poisoned by our food supply.

Get ready to find out that this Post Facto Tipping, what we called BRIBES, PAYOLA, GRAFT, has been going on for years at Boeing for years. With Chevron gone, and Gratuities legal as long as you tip AFTER the effect of the bribe, YOU COULD NOT PAY ME TO FLY ANYWHERE.

I wonder if Speaker Moses Mike has been doing this FOR YEARS and is the reason he has no bank accounts. His Lobbying Tips have been going into CHURCH RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS.

Time to tax and more importantly, AUDIT THE SBC!

Capitalist Republicans have been passins a law over here and using it to cover up financial crap over there for DEDADES.

Australia inflation jumps to 6-mth high in May, ramps up rate hike risks

On X the biggest screamers demanding Biden step down are the “never Trumper” Republicans. George Conway, Bill Kristol, Tom Nichols. Highly suspicious. Then there’s James Carville, who’s married to not just a conservative, but an evil rightwinger who’s done her best to kneecap democracy,

Van Jones is a duplicitous hack.

Why do trolls with sock puppets keep bumping up their old threads?

r287, I believe it was explained that if you change your IP address, you show up as a sock puppet on previous threads. Not an issue.

R287, it’s a tactic used by DeFacto in the run up to the 2020 election. He’d bump old threads, typically from 2015, when there was significant negative news about his orange god. This was apparently done in order to bury threads about such negative news. It appears that same tactic is being used in this election cycle.

Well, we see her.

R275 Both parties seem to be devoted to trying to make the working class get used to a lower standard of living. The Democrats never even talk about the working class, just the middle class. Democrats who are of the professional managerial class don't care if the party does anything for the working class. It's like Chuck Schumer talking about how for every working class Democrat vote they lose, they'll pick up two middle class professional votes (I think that was in 2016, not sure).

(non-Trumper Republican votes, e. g.)

[quote] The Democrats never even talk about the working class, just the middle class.

[quote] Chuck Schumer talking about how for every working class Democrat vote they lose, they'll pick up two middle class professional votes (I think that was in 2016, not sure).

Well that was contradictory, and you managed to do it in one paragraph.

President Biden often talks about the working class and did so during the 2020 campaign and since.

[quote]The Democrats never even talk about the working class, just the middle class.

It may also be a semantic and strategic choice.

I just realized that despite his looks, Van is pretty corny. He says the most cliched, uninteresting things when asked to respond. I don't recall him being like that years ago.