OFFICIAL First Biden-Trump Debate Thread PART TWO

bless you

Did the Nazis come out of a field or a forest?

Trump speaks lies proudly.

Biden speaks truth weakly.

In 15 years, that has never gone so fast. No one had time to post a second to part two!

Please someone give Joe a shot of vitamin b12 during the break

Where is Amy Klobuchar.....we need her!

Will we find each other?

I may stroke out

I think I'm over my first impression of Biden's comatose behavior. I'm able to overlook the weak voice and concentrate on what he's saying. I actually think he's loosening up because Trump is pissing him off.

I don't think this debate will sway voters. The majority hates Trump.

Ruth Bader Biden

I am so shocked by Joseph’s performance. It’s devastating.

This torture watching this. I’d turn it off, but my partner wants to watch it to the end

I think Joe's recovering. First part was not good, but no, not devastating.

Is it possible Biden had a stroke and no one told us?

Someone very famous needs to die tonight and take the focus off the debate. Oprah or Jimmy Carter.. Not wishing them ill but…

On Twitter you can really see who the fanatics (or paid shills) are. They are trying to say that Dark Brandon is taking Trump down. It's like seeing a Goebbels broadcast.

Ooh, oooh, wait -- "Nobody has done more for the blacks than I have. Black people love me!" -- Dump

Joe needs to go home. And the Dems better come up with someone who can win.

R3 nailed it

[quote] Someone very famous needs to die tonight and take the focus off the debate.

I nominate Trump to die.

R19, did he really say that? I can’t watch.

They don't, R11. It's presently [italic]a tie [/italic] between a convicted felon and a doddering fool.

Stop seeing it as you wish and instead as it is. Becayuse it's really fucking bad. The narrative tomorrow is rambling Biden.

We are doomed.

R21 He did that in 2016 and Hillary's jaw fell open on camera.

He actually said "THE BLACKS" on national TV.

I hope someone is preparing hot tea with honey for Joe for during the break and a Red Bull chaser.

Joe didn't need any rehearsing with facts and figures.

He needed ACTING LESSONS. Stride, don't shuffle. Backbone straight. No squinting. Keep mouth closed. Project voice. Don't look down.

R22 Oh, pleeeeez, let this happen.

Just hope Trump snorts something during the break.

He needs to close his mouth when he's listening to Trump.

Biden. Seriously? Generations will look back on this and ask what the fuck were Democrats thinking?

Whoo!!

I would have preferred ABC to carry this debate, George Stephanopoulos wouldn't have taken any shit from Trump.

BLACK JOBS!!!!

Politicians aren’t going to save us. We have to save ourselves. And NO, I reject all forms of violence. But we need a peaceful revolution against our kleptocratic system.

[quote]Trump speaks lies proudly. Biden speaks truth weakly.

Con men and grifters -- if nothing else, they know how to convincingly smooth-talk their marks

Trump acts like 2020 never happened

Elder abuse is a real thing.

Considering how Trump handled Covid I am glad he wasn't here to handle inflation, and inflation hit the entire world. Coming out of Covid caused inflation

I just love this clip.

What the fuck's a "black job"?

Side note but if a woman (e.g. Hillary) was in the same position as Joe and her performance was this bad she would have been removed as the nominee a long time ago.

I second the nomination R22.

WHAT ARE BLACK JOBS???

Immigrants are "taking Black jobs"?? WTH IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN, Joe did not ask.

True question. First thread is closed, AND YET, posts continue to appear. Is there a magic trick one of you old-timers can share? We need this link posted there if possible.

[quote]Biden. Seriously? Generations will look back on this and ask what the fuck were Democrats thinking?

No, they're going to look back and ask what were MAGAts thinking?

Oh, God. Fuck me.

"Student debt. The inflation. The woods. My son. Iraq. We're gonna. I'm serious. Black. I mean hispanics. Democracy. We're there's nothing we can't do. I put more. We. Equity. There's a lot going on."

[quote] More than anything, this debate is going to diminish voter turnout. Nobody is happy.

That may be a good thing for Biden.

I suppose now we know why Garland desperately doesn't want to release the Robert Hur recordings of Biden's responses.

R15, but I think people have check out and are watching something else...

Oh that black jobs remark will bite him in his fat ass.

I bet Tapper and Bash slammed back a couple of shots during the break. This is like something out of "Network," but it's real.

Nobody told Joe to CLOSE HIS OLD MAN PIE-HOLE!

Yes r51

R71, and that is killing us

The maggots will be impossible to deal with tomorrow.

Joe should bring up the n-word flying around the Apprentice set. But of course, he won't because that would be a "low blow"

Bloated blowhard.

From the NYT:

[quote] Live Updates: Biden Tries to Rebound After Shaky Start in Contentious Debate

are you fucking kidding me? We had immaculately clean air and water? sadly this is when being a completely unembarrassed lying whore actually works.

"Black jobs are the ones you'd expect. Cleaning toilets, driving city buses, and stealing car stereos!"

I’d rather have an embalmed Biden as president than a living Trump. Neither one of these two geriatrics is actually going to “lead” the country, their inner circle will. I’d prefer more of the same than Project 2025.

He keeps saying he had the best this/that numbers, and never cites any sources.

Trump: “We had H2O…!” LOLOLOL

[quote]Joe should bring up the n-word flying around the Apprentice set. But of course, he won't because that would be a "low blow"

Did you hear the part where Joe said Trump had sex with a porn star while his wife was having a baby? I don't think he's worried about the level of the blows.

The debate moderators are just letting Trump lie with impunity. They're just sitting there like lumps on a log. A dead cat could moderate better. The result is CNN is basically hosting a Trump rally. IT's fucking irresponsible.

'"The best environmental numbers ever!"

Poor Daniel Dale, he has to document all of Trump's lies for the CNN after show.

We had water, in the far-away times!

[quote] The maggots will be impossible to deal with tomorrow.

The oldheads on Facebook are gloating and whooping it up

Well, tomorrow the Supreme Court will announce that Trump is NOT immune from all crimes. This will remove the taste of this debate from our mouths. Or so we can hope. The shelf-life of news cycles is so very short now.

I am a Biden supporter, given $1200 to his campaign this time around. And I see a man pretty incapable of stating the case as to 1) what he has done, and 2) what he is going to do. It's so much worse than I feared might be possible. Point by point Trump lies and wins the argument.

Trump - MIGRANTS BAD! That's all he's got.

People forget that we are also voting for the Administration and those who come with it....

Why isn’t Biden going after the Repubs agreeing to a border closure!?

well, the plan CAN'T be, CNN will note all the lies. No, honestly, that really is Joe's job here. Call him a liar, but effectively. And relentlessly.

No one will remember this debate come November

In the words of my dearly departed mother: "Oh, my achin' arse!"

[quote]Poor Daniel Dale, he has to document all of Trump's lies for the CNN after show.

If Trump told only a few falsehoods, it would be big news. If he tells a lot, the noise of it all will cancel the effect.

[quote] I don't think this debate will sway voters. The majority hates Trump.

That’s why Trump is leading in the polls and blowing Biden out of the water in state after state. Trump is now expected to win in a landslide thanks to the electoral college. Wake up and stop living in an echo chamber.

It's not the moderators' job to fact check. This is a debate, not an interview. It's the opponent's job.

Dump does sound like a raving, paranoid bigot, with "the migrants, the migrants, the migrants".

R75 And that is exactly the argument Biden should be making. And is not.

Donald always speaks in the superlative.

"The BEST! The RICHEST! The WORST! The YUMMIEST!"

Someone probably taught him in childhood that if you don't have facts on your side, you can still sound smart by declaring shit the best or the worst.

They're impossible to deal with now...

Good point, r82.

[quote] People forget that we are also voting for the Administration and those who come with it....

And they forget the electoral college.

You expect the WSJ to come out and say corporations were using “supply chain difficulties “ and Covid excuses to hike up their prices so they could have record profits? Inflation? No, greed.

^not agreeing to (apologies).

Nothing has been debated.

And BTW

R43, wow - how true

[quote] I am a Biden supporter, given $1200 to his campaign this time around. And I see a man pretty incapable of stating the case as to 1) what he has done, and 2) what he is going to do. It's so much worse than I feared might be possible. Point by point Trump lies and wins the argument.

I, too, have contributed to the campaign, but Joe has never been able to use the bully pulpit of his office. A major failing.

There’s no inflation. That’s a lie.

Biden keeps saying, "The idea!" like old people do.

In Cali, black construction workers had excellent paying jobs but were replaced by immigrants. There are many industries which have been devalued by immigrants, but in reference to his "black jobs" comment, there were certain niches that were populated by black people.

Joe's voice is a bit raspy and weaker than normal tonight. I've seen him talk numerous times in recent weeks and tonight he sounds almost meek. Perhaps he was talking too much during his prep that his voice was affected?

R85 is a lying moron who is wrong about everything. Fucking dumbass.

“President Trump, did you lose the 2020 Presidential election?”

[quote] Dump does sound like a raving, paranoid bigot, with "the migrants, the migrants, the migrants".

So you’re calling Americans bigots. Run on that.

You do anything with SS or Medicare, that will UNITE all voters.

More Katie Rogers:

[quote] Here is a little scene from the one journalist in the White House pool who was allowed to watch Biden and Trump during the commercial break: Biden and Trump stared straight ahead as photographers snapped photos. They did not talk to or look at each other.

Joe could do A Weekend at Bernie's and I'd still vote for him over Trump.

the laptop, oh fuck off you whore. and really, just say that, Joe

It's clear that Trump thinks immigration is a winner for him.

Again, the "losers and suckers" quote was from one of Dump's own generals!

[quote] Bidens Infrastructure Bill was TOO BIG. And it fueled the inflation we now have.

Inflation in Turkey is 67% I suppose you want to blame that on Biden too.

R99 "Cali" dude, give it a rest. A Californian will tell you - no immigrant has taken "black construction jobs" here. You don't know what you are talking about.

R108, it’s one of the top issues with voters.

Trump is such a racist it makes me want to vomit on him.

[quote] True question. First thread is closed, AND YET, posts continue to appear. Is there a magic trick one of you old-timers can share?

If posters don’t leave the old thread the dialogue box stays open and they can still post. It happens in Oscars threads a lot.

R105, She considers that news? Who would've imagined otherwise?

Liberals have just woken up to immigration. Now it’s a problem since it ended up on their doorstep. Even Cher was complaining about it.

I imagine how a Joaquin Castro, Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker could slice 'n dice Trump on live TV.

I think someone beat you to it, R114.

Dump is taking advice and talking points from an actual wannabe-nazi (Stephen Miller). That should be enough to vote for anybody but him.

damn, this is another opening. You constantly hire people and say they are awesome and then fire them a little later cause you say they suck.

SAY THAT.

Biden better say “I don’t fire people because I hire the right people, unlike you.”

More Zolan Kanno-Youngs:

[quote] Democrats are starting to react to the debate. Quentin James, a co-founder of the Collective PAC, an organization dedicated to Black voters and supportive of President Biden, says, “I’m very surprised to see Biden’s voice in the shape that it’s in. Compared to the State of the Union and on the campaign trail, I’m wondering if they did too much debate prep. There’s very little range. Him being hoarse is hurting his performance.”

Yeah I do know what I'm talking about, R112. Quit sucking Newsom's balls.

Does anyone really believe that our country is destroyed?

I’ll always vote for the Democratic candidate, and I do like Joe, but why oh why, haven’t the Dems been grooming someone younger, more dynamic to be the candidate? It’s too late now for Joe to step down, and now I think anyone who was maybe on the fence but can’t stomach voting for Trump will just stay home and not vote.

Number one, number two. God I need a Looney Tunes cartoon right now. This is worse than I ever imagined. Trump is a fucking idiot and Joe is pretty much dead. I need paper cuts in the web of my toes. Ouch, mommy

[quote][R99] "Cali" dude, give it a rest. A Californian will tell you - no immigrant has taken "black construction jobs" here.

And we sure as hell don't say "Cali", r112.

Biden is losing. Sad.

Is it possible that Trump might actually be turning off voters?

R115, thank you!!!! I did not know that, or I forgot it.

Biden says Trump was worst president in history and moderator says, “Let’s talk about child care.” This Ian really a debate - more like a joint press conference.

Of course the media will make Biden's poor debate performance a much bigger deal than Trump's 34 felony convictions. We live in crazy times.

"He's the worst president in the history of our country!"

Every Dump accusation is a confession.

I like how CNN has the question asked of Trump - re child care - was noted at the bottom of the screen while Trump talked about something completely unrelated.

Trump's making faces like a four year old.

Eduardo Medina, NYT:

[quote] Democrats are starting to react to the debate. Quentin James, a co-founder of the Collective PAC, an organization dedicated to Black voters and supportive of President Biden, says, “I’m very surprised to see Biden’s voice in the shape that it’s in. Compared to the State of the Union and on the campaign trail, I’m wondering if they did too much debate prep. There’s very little range. Him being hoarse is hurting his performance.”

He's the worst!

No! HE'S the worst!

No, he's the worst EVER!

R126, the Dems have a huge bench of talent. In fact, that’s why there is so much frustration. We have others who can beat this mother fucker.

finally laughing at the dumb fuck. good.

The irony: Trump doesn't even want to go back to Washington. He wouldn't be running without the money flowing in. The Trumps aren't even trying to sell things anymore. Why? Just sit back and let the cash pour over you.

Trump's tax cuts caused $4 trillion of his $8 trillion increased debt

Michelle Obama can GTH. She is very full of herself. I suppose her refusal to campaign for her Party's incumbent is "going high."

But then, her husband is no Joe fan, either. Never was, or he never would have gone over him and supported HRC.

Dems have no one unless you mean the antisemetic Squad.

But only one who has, r139. Only one who has.

Trump is ramping up. Is it it really good strategy to keep trashing our country?

[quote] I may stroke out

Kinky but I don't see how you can do it. Neither Senile Joe nor Nasty Trump are hot enough to rev your motor

More Zolan Kanno-Youngs:

[quote] This is the best Biden has sounded so far as he defends the reputation of the United States and talks about the need for a child tax credit. He sounds more coherent and clear.

OMG Can someone do a count on Trump's "hes the worst president" talking point. That's what he want's MAGA to repeat.

[quote]We have others who can beat this mother fucker.

Who, r139?

Boooooooooooring

[quote]Is it possible that Trump might actually be turning off voters?

The constant "America is horrible/an embarrassment/3rd-world country -- I'm the only one who can fix it" is classic verbal abuse language.

Newsom/Whitmer

[quote] Trump's tax cuts caused $4 trillion of his $8 trillion increased debt

a debt that Trump promised to pay off.

Trump doesn't want to discuss the opioid question

[quote]but in reference to his "black jobs" comment, there were certain niches that were populated by black people.

Yes. Those jobs that were defined by white males and laws passed to enforce them.

Holy fuck. Russian troll farms are all over this thread.

Joe keeps disappearing into his secret garden when Trump is talking.

Can Tapper take his clothes off, please ? I wanna see his cock fully erect. It would be much more interesting than this debate.

How can he just lie and lie and lie and lie and lie

We bought the certain dog

WTF

[quote] Newsom/Whitmer

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

R159, grow the fuck up.

Fuck off R156. You motherfuckers need to get down off the cross once in a while.

[quote]Newsom/Whitmer

too soon

[quote]But then, her husband is no Joe fan, either. Never was, or he never would have gone over him and supported HRC.

Obama SAVED Biden's public image. Prior to that, he was most known for having to drop out of a Presidential race because of plagiarism, the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill fiasco and working with Republicans to co-author a bill that made it impossible for students to declare bankruptcy on their loans.

He supported Hillary because she could get the job done.

[quote] Holy fuck. Russian troll farms are all over this thread.

Here we go again. 🙄

Dump has not answered the question other than we had the best number, the best numbers.

The drugs are wearing off Trump now, and the babbling has entered the room.

The best idea I've heard tonight is to lick Gavin Newsom's balls. A lot more fun than this shit!

R78, I doubt there will be a second debate...

Trump just said that drugs coming across the border increased while he was President.

Tell him to cite his fucking sources, Joe! Jesus.

R159, reruns of Hazel would be more invigorating.

The debate panel people run how they want things to go, ironically, by organizing the order of what question types they want asked of these two guys.

Trump has definitely lost a lot of weight. Must be the Ozempic.

WAIT, where is Greg??

More Zolan Kanno-Youngs:

[quote] Biden has mostly just stared ahead and listened as Trump has spoken tonight. That’s very un-Biden. In previous debates, he has smiled, laughed or mocked his opponents. He’s jotted down notes. But not tonight.

I think a good guy. Oh fuck off you whore. You won't have anybody out.

Trump sounds insane.

Trump wouldn't pay to pay to have hostages released, he would just give Putin what ever he wants.

The mods are not not modding this debate, the same question could have been asked by an intern.

Lakers drafted Bronny James in the second round.

Lebron stays in Cali!

"25th Amendment" is trending on Twitter.

Making a late-night snack, r177.

THE AGE QUESTION and Biden's voice goes. Come on Joe.

Going after the journalists he doesn't like -- that's not very First Amendmenty of him!

R181, SOUNDS?!?!?

A positive for hoarse, meek-sounding Biden could be said to be that he shows strength by hanging in there with what he’s trying to say…when he finally gets to the end of it, that is.

They're not allowed to take notes, per the rules.

Biden botching this age question badly.

The age question is going really well for him.

I don't watch CNN, who is that woman? She sucks.

More Michael Gold:

[quote] Jake Tapper has twice now tried to get Trump to answer his question about how he’d help Americans in the throes of addiction. Trump again evaded the question, instead somehow ending up talking about Evan Gershkovich, the Wall Street Journal reporter detained in Russia on espionage charges

Oh we are fucked.

oh, shit, the cognitive tests.

Dana Bash

[quote] They're not allowed to take notes, per the rules.

They were not allowed to bring notes, they have a pad of paper and pen to take notes.

[quote]"25th Amendment" is trending on Twitter.

Of course it is, Elon is paying the blue-checks extra tonight.

Now Trump is bragging about his cheating at golf??

Democratic operatives are already tweeting that we should have an open convention and pick a new candidate.

Joe has a cold tonight, but that's not the real problem. And voters won't care if he picked up toward the end. They'll only remember the first ten minutes, where he was sleepy and rambling and exactly as old as Trump says he is.

Keep laughing Joe!!!!! Makes you look alive!

my shithouse rat, drunk, addict doctor Ronny Whatshisface said I was awesome.

R192 It's so fucked. There isn't much he has handled well. He was a hero at State of the Union. He's not put a hand on Trump in this debate. The "comparison" favors the felon, dictator. I wonder how this will play out.

How about you name the Ten Commandments, or better yet, the articles of the constitution.

Adam Nagourney, NYT:

[quote] Notable that Biden did not respond to the inevitable question — age — with a self-deprecatory joke. He’s talking about South Korea. The moment is emblematic of his night.

Madness.

Trump blew the age question. He could have slaughtered Biden at this point but he made it all about himself.

Cognitive tests are pass/fail not a letter grade. So Trump didn't Ace anything.

oh, shit that was a silly moment

Unbelievable that there is a discussion about golf.

More Reid Epstein:

[quote] We have reached the point in the debate in which Trump is bragging about his golf game.

Elderly men arguing about stupid shit.

Golf handicap bragging. Totally a kitchen table issue

Jesus, they are fighting about golf and calling each other children. Fuck me. This is a farce on top of everything else.

RFK Jr has offered to allow Joe to gracefully withdraw and endorse the Kennedy campaign

This is fucked

I’m happy to play golf with you if you can carry your own bag. Think you can do it?

I thought they were supposed to freeze the other person's mic when the other was talking. That's it CNN, no more debates for you!

you'd be in a fucking jail cell

We need to see which candidate can do a 1000 piece puzzle faster after bingo

More Zolan Kanno-Youngs:

[quote] As we close out this debate, Biden has sounded hoarse and his answers have been meandering. Some Democrats are already texting me questioning if he did too much debate prep, possibly wearing out his voice. I’ve attended many of his speeches and this performance, particularly earlier in the debate, has been worse than usual. That said, some Democrats say he’s done well when it comes to describing the substance of some of his policy achievements.

Trump would vote for radical justices.

We are the envy of the world, we are not a failing nation, Trump is always a failure.

R207, That person can FOAD. Most politicians use questions as excuses to make whatever point they want to.

Kennedy may end up being the winner of this debate.

Ain't that America

More Katie Rogers:

[quote] “I took two cognitive tests, I aced them,” Trump said, when asked about his age. (He has not specified which tests he took.) “I just won two club championships, not even senior. To do that, you have to be quite smart, and you have to hit the ball a long way.” Biden just looks entertained, and starts going after Trump’s height and weight. “Take a look at what he is. I’d be happy to have a driving contest with him.” Now they’re arguing over golf handicaps. This is not a place I thought we’d go tonight.

We are not close to WW 3, you'd love that Trump, you psycho killer.

Biden is not blinking

WTF—the “SNL” Season 50 opener’s skits are writing themselves here! Is this a prez debate, or a UFC pre-match trash-talk competition? 😛

Well, of course we're closer to WWIII -- you sold Top Secret documents to God knows who.

Answer the fucking question!

Trump will never accept election results where he doesn't win.

TRUMP GAVE PUTIN SYRIA AND AFGHANISTAN

[quote] Joe could do A Weekend at Bernie's

That's quite possibly exactly what's happening right now

Trump just surrendered Ukraine. Well, gee.

Not because of Putin. Ukraine and the beautiful gold domes. Biden’s fault!

Yes, we know, you'd like to be in Russia right now, and hopefully you'll go there.

R236 And the sad truth is that Biden should make that point. And doesn't. And apparently can't.

Trump did the same bullshit "the election was rigged" when he lost The Apprentice to Big Brother

A nice location like jail?

But of course, if he loses, it won't be a fair election.

"You're a whiner."

You're a whiner!

R99, any self respecting Californian does not call the state Cali....they just don.t

THANK you, Joe!

The topic basically was fitness. So Trump addressed it. It was Trump who threw down the golf glove, and Joe was not about to let that opportunity to grab back some "vim and vigah" (JFK) slide. Frankly, it was a highlight!

Dana Bash and Jake Tapper were pretty bad.

When is it over?

They sucked.

WE WERE INVITED BUT WE DECLINED!

[quote] WTF—the “SNL” Season 50 opener’s skits are writing themselves here!

Nah. SNL would never admit Trump mopped up the floor with Joe

r247, As a self-respecting Californian, I can say with confidence that we really don't give a fuck what we're called.

Ok, that was a good blow delivered by Biden to Trump about every Court rejected his claims.

I know Biden didn't sound well tonight but I think he did better than you Catastrophizing Cats here tonight.

Dump didn't like the whiner comment. His facial expressions.

I do like the format and I'm surprised by that. I like that the moderators are just asking questions and not jumping into the ring and sparring with the candidates. Kudos to CNN.

When does this end?

Trump’s belligerent smirking make him appear immature, anrrogant and boorish.

If Biden's the nominee, maybe it was best to get this first - last? - debate over before the calendar hit July.

did better than you Catastrophizing Cats here tonight want to make it seem.

I once worked for an older politician. He could get very stubborn about his schedule. Joe is showing all the symptoms of someone who is overtired. He should fire his scheduler because he knew this event was coming and was important, but he thought he could just fly in to Atlanta at the last minute, go outside and shake hands a pose, and then hit the stage. He has been flying all over the place since June 6th. In and out of the country twice, then all these domestic trips as well as trying to run the country. He should have paced himself. He should have been fresh, and rested. His voice is gone. He was at 80% on the facts, but his voice was too fragile. Trump in presentation and terrible on content. He lies. He lies. The main thing to remember is he will say anything to get elected. Anything. His sole purpose is to be POTUS to shield himself from prosecution. To give out pardons. He is filth. Tapper asks him what he would do and he pulls stuff out of his ass. It doesn't matter. He just lies. It is outrageous that a convicted felon can run for PResident as if it doesn't matter.

Trump at a rally in Las Vegas while he was complaining about the plight of electric boats.

[quote] it hot don't any of you die, I don't really care about you, I just want your vote.

Dump’s act is so fucking played out.

Biden was not at his best tonight, but the differences between the two men were perfectly clear. Biden is a decent, law-abiding man who works for other people. Trump is a self-centered egotist who cares nothing for anyone else.

[quote]As a self-respecting Californian, I can say with confidence that we really don't give a fuck what we're called.

Neither do I but when I hear people call us Cali I think airhead transplant.

One of the rules of politics: if you're explaining, you're losing.

The last statement is probably what Biden spent time memorizing so it should be good.

[QUOTE] Joe is showing all the symptoms of someone who is overtired. He should fire his scheduler because he knew this event was coming and was important, but he thought he could just fly in to Atlanta at the last minute, go outside and shake hands a pose, and then hit the stage.

He’s the President of the United States. Most of the shit he deals with doesn’t fit in a schedule.

Biden needed to pull ahead with this debate. He fell behind. I agree with him on every point, except for one. He needs to drop out.

Newsom, Whitmer, Moore, Buttigieg, or Warren could do it.

Is Biden doing a Max Headroom impression?

[quote]Dana Bash and Jake Tapper were pretty bad.

They asked questions, which was what they were supposed to do. They weren't there to fact-check, as someone said, that's the candidates' job. I just with Bash and Tapper weren't so quick to pointedly cut Biden off.

R264 That gaga politician was well hidden tonight.

It may be time to think about directing our limited resources (time, money) to making sure the Democrats control both houses of Congress.

Michael Bender, NYT:

Tight debate rules are spotlighting Biden’s stumbles.

Donald J. Trump appeared to gain an edge during his first debate with President Biden on Thursday thanks to a restrictive set of rules that barred the kind of interruptions that tripped up the former president four years ago and, in turn, shined a spotlight on the incumbent’s frequent stumbles.

The two men agreed to a set of rules that allowed CNN, the debate’s host, to mute their microphone when it was not their turn to speak. Mr. Biden’s team requested that rule to guard against Mr. Trump’s affinity for talking over his debate opponents.

But Mr. Trump was clearly prepared to operate within those guardrails.

As Mr. Biden fielded the opening question, Mr. Trump remained silent behind his lectern for the full two minutes of his opponent’s answer. When it was his turn to respond, Mr. Trump spoke in a steady and deliberately measured voice.

A few minutes later, Mr. Trump’s restraint was apparent when Mr. Biden jabbed at him over the number of troops who died on his watch.

“The truth is, I’m the only president this century that doesn’t have any — this decade — that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world like he did,” Mr. Biden said.

Instead of shouting or interrupting, Mr. Trump puckered his lips and waited until Mr. Biden finished.

“Am I allowed to respond to him? Mr. Trump asked the moderators.

Jake Tapper, a CNN anchor and debate moderator, said he would be able to do so during a follow-up.

With the former president restricted from interrupting, Mr. Biden’s stumbles were on particularly vivid display.

Making his case for a tax increase on the wealthiest Americans, Mr. Biden trailed off and appeared to lose his train of thought.

“We’d be able wipe out his debt,” Mr. Biden said, describing how tax increases on the wealthy would increase federal revenue. “We’d be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do — child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the uh, Covid, excuse me, with dealing with everything we’ve had to do with, uh — look, if — we finally beat Medicare.”

Mr. Trump waited patiently for his mic to be turned on, and then pounced.

“Well, he’s right he did beat Medicare — he beat it to death,” Mr. Trump said. “So he was right in the way he finished that sentence. And it’s a shame.”

And when we see you repeatedly talking about “Cali,” we think you are OCD.

These threads are filling at warp speed, and I got really high after just ten minutes of the debates because it’s too depressing, so I wanted to get this done before I get more stupid from the weed. I made Part Three so it’s ready, but someone will have to repost it later here or make another one.

And, the closing isn't great....he is rushing which is hard for someone who has a stutter.

I love Joe Biden, but he is having trouble talking clearly and that’s a problem not likely to get better.

Trump calls Biden a complainer????????

Pure projection...

More Reid Epstein:

[quote] You can tell Democrats are freaking out about Biden’s performance when progressive groups blast out press releases that begin like this one from the Progressive Change Campaign Committee: “Despite President Biden’s cold impacting his voice, the message in this debate was clear.”

Act III: Put on your RayBans, President Biden, time to kick some diaper-rashed ass.

Blah, blah, blah, the country's going to hell...

Trump makes no sense at all

Moderates will approve of Joe's performance. That's who will decide the election. Fox and the Republicans will talk about cognitive decline. People want results not slogans. Except, the trumpy racists. The economy is booming and things are good.

Trump calling Biden a complainer? Ha!

R247, yet CALI voted in a governor that pronounced it Cal-ee-fawn-ia. Go figure.

Trump the largest increase in debt in history.

The last statement is probably when Biden will get misty eyed and start talking how Beau died landing on Omaha Beach

Annie Karni, NYT:

[quote] A group of House Democratic lawmakers said they were watching the debate together and acknowledged it was a “disaster.” They were discussing the need for a new presidential nominee.

[quote]They asked questions, which was what they were supposed to do. They weren't there to fact-check, as someone said, that's the candidates' job. I just with Bash and Tapper weren't so quick to pointedly cut Biden off.

That's just BS, they just didn't want to be responsibility. Other mods would have fact checked. Like I said, an intern could have done their job if those are the standards.

Trump: We’re living in hell!” That’s his campaign pitch?

well, there you go....100% NOT what I thought it would be...

God help us all!

Alan Rappeport, NYT:

[quote] In his closing argument, Biden leads off by hitting Trump’s tax plans. He clearly thinks that the issue of tax fairness, and the suggestion that Trump wants to benefit the rich, is his best chance at winning the economic argument.

Bullshit, he will do nothing to improve medical care.

Post-debate commentaries and tomorrow's editorials can only describe this as a low point in the history of American political discourse.

More Reid Epstein:

[quote] Biden, in his closing statement, did not mention abortion — the issue that polls say is his best contrast with Trump.

🤢🤮

[quote] Joe is showing all the symptoms of someone who is overtired.

The campaign has barely begun. Things will only get more grueling and intense from here on out. If Joe is already exhausted, and it's only June, we're in trouble.

The moderators don’t fact check. That’s not how it works. Tapper & Bash were professional

Someone with vigor would have ripped Trump bullshit talk to shreds.

I like Joe and think he’s been a good president, but this debate didn’t him any favors.

Let’s all hope this goes away soon and come November he sweeps it, or we’re all fucked

Biden lost the election tonight. Fuck. There will be no second debate, as Trump doesn't need one

Just a whimsy, at this sad moment: think what Gavin Newsom would have done with the bombastic lying Trump.

Four years ago this week when Trump was President 6,000 new confirmed covid deaths in the past week brought the total to over 124,000 confirmed deaths in the US.* The unemployment rate was 11% and there were 18 million people unemployed. Trump left office with fewer people employed than when he came into office.

R303

You belong in a psych ward.

Dump only "sounded strong in the beginning of the debate" because Joe sounded weak.

All of that was largely incoherent.

R159, with a cock ring

All of those predictions about Trump wanting to call it off were nonsense. The man loves any opportunity for attention, so that was obvious to anyone with a brain, but apparently he actually has more stamina than people thought too. And I missed 95% of the debate, but it sounds like it was a rough night for Biden. I thought it was a good move for Biden to offer this debate and a bad move for Trump to accept, but oh well.

I think you're going to see Democratic donors directing their money to House and Senate candidates now. That's what we have to focus on going forward. Democratic candidates are outperforming Biden's poll numbers anyway, so it's a smart strategy.

Well, it’s finally over, Bitches!

Please don’t fret… JUST VOTE FOR BIDEN!

No one's going to remember Trump's verbal nonsense. They're not going to remember that he lied constantly, or invented ludicrous bullshit.

They're going to remember that he said it with energy and conviction, and Joe Biden couldn't measure up.

Humans are almost hard-wired to be drawn to loud garbage over sober reality. Look at their TV viewing habits. Look at their support for Hitler and Dane Cook.

The freaky thing is, neither one of them could beat any other candidate. They could only beat each other.

Joe supporters tonight

R295, Team Biden should know better. That "tax the rich"/"the rich aren't paying their fair share" argument has never appealed to, resonated with, or moved Middle-Class Americans. 18th C. French and early 20th C. Russians, yes.

But not Americans.

Are you ready for the Republic Party to rule from now on?

YOUR SOAKJNG IN IT.

Axelrod, CNN: there is a dense of shock… there are gonna be discussions.

Biden will be asked to step down.

My God...are you watching CNN and MSNBC? They are in despair.

Today was an example why Democrats need to stop blocking out opposing news sources and believing that whatever the right says is a total fabrication. Same goes for excoriating left-wing journos who raised alarms about Biden fitness. Sometimes the right smells blood and goes for our weaknesses.

R194, if you don't watch CNN, don't worry about it.

MSNBC is freaking out.

R315, truer words were never spoken. You are so on point.

“ there is a dense of shock”

I like this term: a dense of shock

Those who prepared Joe have been fired already, I'd bet, like the slain would-be assassins of Michael Corleone.

R323 Not freaking out, just saying the truth. Wouldn't it be nice if all news channels told the truth, no matter what the tribal talking points are.

So, if Joe gets replaced, who would it be?

Who cares who is the president? We must vote our self interests. And that is Biden. Trump's wife wasn't even present. That woman loathes him, and could see he's a phony. Trump is running to avoid going to jail. Biden has a done a good job. We're a week away from the 4th of July, no one but us nerds is really paying attention. Trump turned off moderates by his boisterous attitude that they've hated from day 1. Old voters don't want ppl poking at Biden saying he's too old for the job. They see that as bullying

Jonathan Karl on ABC said Democrats on Capitol Hill are wishing Biden had debated like this during the primaries and then there would have been a different nominee. I said at the time that it was a mistake that the DNC and Biden campaign were preventing primary debates. Of course, there were people on DL who scoffed at the notion.

Van Johnson, CNN: Biden failed tonight....there is still time for us to figure a way forward if he (Biden) will allow us to do that.

Truth is Joe was always too old and we're very lucky he hasn't been seriously tried in his presidency.

Gavin thinks Gavin

[quote]We're a week away from the 4th of July, no one but us nerds is really paying attention.

The people who didn't watch are going to find out about it from word of mouth. You think that will be okay?

The after-party feels more like a wake. We'll all feel better in the morning.

[quote] CNN and MSNBC? They are in despair.

One may hope. Their years of news malpractice has left them with a huge karma bill to pay

Anyone has had to tell grandpa to stop driving… grandpa doesn’t want to stop driving

Joe’s Dem aides need to lay off obsessing about their Kumbaya rainbow unicorn woke feelings crap and get their administrative skills shit together to get Joe’s campaign and its talking-point response priorities straight (and tough, at that).

Anyone remember the first Obama/Romney debate, Obama did horrible people thought the election was lost

Obama won the election 332 to 206 electoral votes.

Maybe viewers had low expectations of Joe. They just wanted to see him walking and talking. That's enough.

Hi girls! Reporting for duty.

Biden will have to step down now. It could actually be a really good thing for Democrats. The convention would be riveting TV if that happens. There would be so much excitement to see who gets the nomination. The convention would get amazing ratings if they have to pick a new candidate. Democrats and young people would be energized again. Maybe tonight needed to happen so Democrats could finally come to grips about Biden.

It’s a come to Jesus moment for us Dems. Biden needs to leave now ( health crisis or something) let Harris be Prez and then select a young VP (maybe Pete?) or hispanic. If we are going to defeat trump.otherwise we are sunk. This was cringeworthy

He's go to go.

Rachel mentioned that Kamala will be on MSNBC soon. That will be interesting to listen to.

Gretchen Whitmer

Gavin Newsom

Sherrod Brown

Elizabeth Warren

Claire McCaskill

Tim Ryan

Maddow said Joe was getting over a cold and I don't think he felt real well which is why I think he sounded so weak in the beginning.

At this point we will just have to wait until the election to see who wins. (it will be Biden, believe it or not)

A heads up that he was getting over a cold would have been good.

If Joe stepped down, and he can't and won't, any younger, middle of the road democrat would trounce Trump. Anyone except maybe Gavin Newsom and/or Elizabeth Warren.

This disaster was actually a good thing. Now we can do what needs to be done with clarity and real hope.

R345, another fucking disaster in the making.

Biden will come back strong at the DNC; this debate isn't the last word at all.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, OBAMA WARNED YOU YEARS AGO

Don't Underestimate Joe's Ability To Fuck Things Up

Why didn't you guys listen?

Joe Biden did come across as old, perhaps because he IS. But he looks well-scrubbed and pleasant, and like he could probably finish the crossword if he starts it by 10AM. DJT is such a fat greasy fuck, like assaulting 20 year-old young women backstage in Atlantic City is still his most cherished memory.

Holy shit the denial.

I just donated to Biden's campaign on principle.

They say being president will age you a lot. Didn't Obama turn gray?

Please NO Warren, unless you really want Trump to be President again.

Batman analogies? The leader of the free world is now reduced to Batman analogies???

Candidates have had bad debates before and still choose me back to win.

The problem is that a lot of people set great store by how someone looks and sounds.

[quote] The people who didn't watch are going to find out about it from word of mouth.

Or from social media. By tomorrow, social media will be full of "Sleepy Joe" videos from tonight's debate (some of which will be altered to make Biden look even worse). None of the substance of the debate will be remembered. It will be remembered as the debate that proved Biden is tired and feeble.

What is so bad about Newsom?

well, it's time for the artists of spin to earn their keep. That could've gone better, but it doesn't matter. Time to pound the message of Trump sucking over and over and over into the ground. It's the only way. Biden needs to wake the fuck up, with whatever medication is necessary and get out there. And go as low as possible, no more, well, anything that advisors are advising.

It is the Democratic instinct to give up, constantly, and always in advance. We are going to have to resist that instinct, for the sake of the country.

Quit being fucking crybabies.

His voice clearly isn’t 100%. He’s making every policy point despite getting his mic shut off. He’s targeting his anger despite his stutter. He’s killing the felon on morality while the felon can’t look him in the eyes. He’s showing empathy. Vote.

81 is not too old to be President. Biden comes across as older than 81. Where we go from here? I don't know.

“Choose me” = “come back”!

[quote]Biden will come back strong at the DNC; this debate isn't the last word at all.

As has been pointed out, and as anybody who has had a relative with a mental decline understands, you don't bounce back from it. It's a progressive decline. With my mother it was very rapid. Each month I expect Biden to look worse than the month before.

Biden was terrible. So sad.

[QUOTE] What is so bad about Newsom?

Other than the fact that he’s a rich, snobby prick?

R364 Newsom would destroy Trump in a debate.

[quote]Biden keeps saying, "The idea!" like old people do.

I kept hearing “Well, I never in all my life…”

Warren chopped Bloomberg into shreds on national TV. She has lots of negatives, but she could take down Trump.

Even MSNBC is saying Trump annihilated Biden. You know it was bad when even they are praising Trump’s performance

So many trolls in this thread, dear Lord. And you can stop posting tweets from Reid Epstein already, he's not privy to anything and said Trump would win in 2020.

R372 have you seen LA? Newsom wont win. That’s why his running was canned.

How can anyone see that and think 4 more years are a good idea

The people that were going to vote for Biden still will. The people who were going to vote for Trump still will. we still have RIE months until the electi0on. That is a Long time. A thousand things can happen between now and then.

A young, hot stud Democrat would win.

Those who want Kamala, R378

eye caramba!

FIVE months (I hate this keyboard)

NOT WATCHING

Jill Biden keeping her teaching job was an idiotic idea.

R377 I was born and raised in LA.... am there all the time. Live in the Bay Area now. Newsom is a good governor and would be a strong candidate for President. He is brilliant on media. He would chop Trump up and fry the pieces in pig feet.

[quote]The people that were going to vote for Biden still will.

I agree. That 38% that approve of Biden's performance are not going to desert him at this point.

Mother o’ Christ.

Biden came across every bit as elderly as he is. It feels like 2024 may be lost.

R379, wtf are RIE months??? We need to respectfully remove Biden from the ticket and find a replacement

I have no idea who she is anymore outside of a South Jersey accent

I feel sorry for Joe tonight.

From Frank Luntz: “My group of undecided voters are moving away from Trump as he gets more and more vicious toward Biden.”

Notice that there is no agreement of a good replacement for Biden even among the posters here.

Question is, has this changed who anyone is going to vote for, or made up any undecided voter decide who to vote for based on this debate?

[Quote] A young, hot stud Democrat would win.

absolutely!

Agree with r379

I think what makes this so concerning, is that so much is at stake. Many lives will be fucked

Four More Years chant. Such optimists.

And NO I don't think Joe will let go of of the presidency

The Pony Soldiers line again. He mind has slipped back to 2015

Biden just came out with the dog faced pony soldiers line again

Andy Beshear or Gretchen Whitmer could easily be nominated at the convention and defeat Trump.

Kamala Harris is the most important figure in all of this. She has to be the one to convince Biden to step down. She also needs to realize that she could not beat Trump in November, and step aside. But would she do that? It's no secret that she and Biden aren't exactly best buddies.

A new candidate!? when the Democratic Convention is 54 days away and the election is in 130 days!? I think you're overestimating their chances. We have more people in our side, and Trump will lose. Newscasters blow their own horn cuz they need the ratings. Just a bunch of hot air. Like before Russia invaded Ukraine, a bunch of people were nervous. But not Biden and Zelensky.

[quote]The Pony Soldiers line again. He mind has slipped back to 2015

He thinks he's running for VP again, but it doesn't matter.

Does anyone feel safe now let alone with him at the helm for four more years? Ditto Trump. It's a dangerous fucking world out there. Neither of these men should be running.

[quote] I just donated to Biden's campaign on principle.—Anonymous

Sign you name Ivanka

I think they will pull Biden. They let him fall flat tonight on purpose. He will get pulled by August and replaced. The issue is who will replace him. And it won’t be Newsom.

#SwapJoeOut

[quote]How can anyone see that and think 4 more years are a good idea

You're absolutely right -- four more years of Dump would be a disaster -- the likes of which you've never seen (tm)!

MSNBC grasping at straws

[quote] A young, hot stud Democrat would win.

He's not exactly young anymore, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe the time has finally come for Beto O'Rourke to whip out his huge cock to rally voters.

I don’t think Biden is going to be the candidate. We’ll pick a new one at the convention.

I don't think Newsom is a wise idea for the Democrats. Will be seen as too far left just because of the California label and more liberal issues he's had to address as governor of a solid blue state. Plus, there will be the easy attacks on the San Francisco situation.

IF Joe should withdraw, the Dems should put in Pete Buttigieg as the candidate. He's intelligent, young and a veteran. He would trounce Trump. Only the rednecks would vote against him but they're in the minority.

[quote]Even MSNBC is saying Trump annihilated Biden.

That is not at all what they are saying.

why does r403 think she's in a videogame?

cocaine straws

If it's an open convention, we run the risk of that asshole Bernie swooping in and taking the party full commie with just three months left.

Bernie's even older than Joe, and he honeymooned in the Soviet Union. He will not save us.

I’m ready put me in coach!

The big debate loser: Muriel, who clearly can’t control these trolls in here.

R406 no they aren’t. MSNBC gets ratings. Theyre second place to Fox News. CNN is at the bottom. Even NewsMax passed CNN now

Joe Biden is old which we already knew and Trump is a pathological liar which we also already knew. It's a good thing there won't be anymore debates and its good it was done this early, the person that will benefit the most from this is Biden...I wouldn't have said that prior to this debate performance.

R396 "john wayne trying to get the apaches back on the reservation..." oh, good, Joe! That will help.

R411 yes they are. They’ve been trashing Joe’s performance all night

R410 a gay man won’t win the presidency.

It doesn’t matter that he’s a veteran.

In a perfect world, sure. We aren’t there yet.

Obama is the only dem who could take the reigns and win…

Likes are being reversed so she's trying her best, R416

[quote] Newsom, Whitmer, Moore, Buttigieg, or Warren could do it.

There is still too much sexism in the US for Whitmer or Warren to be elected POTUS.

Some of you people don't understand how the nomination process works, Biden will only be replaced if he withdraws, he has the nomination locked up, it is his if he wants it. There is no process to force him out.

[quote][R411] yes they are. They’ve been trashing Joe’s performance all night

But they're not praising Trump's performance, which is what you implied.

[quote] How can anyone see that and think 4 more years are a good idea

Tom Nichols

[quote] Biden's answers occasionally rambled. But they were fact-based, rooted in sensible policy, and reflected the politics of a decent man. Trump was lying his ass off.

I feel sad for Joe too.

He should have bowed out and said he wasn’t running for a second term

Pete B! Seriously.

My life is much better than it was 4 years ago. I just donated to Biden to thank him.

Whitmer is just to freaky. She looks like she kills dalmatians and makes fur coats out of them. Then she has so much covid shit that will turn her into a laughing stock,

[quote]Maybe the time has finally come for Beto O'Rourke to whip out his huge cock to rally voters.

Has there been serious discussion before now about Beto's huge cock and its impact?

Trump: “Let me tell you about the Blacks”

Gosh, you Democrats see a so-so performance and yall freak out. Get out there and fight! Biden has never been the best speaker but the results are the best for the country! Let's give it back to them! Let's fight!

R421 that poster is so out of touch. Everyone knows Pete won’t win. People aren’t making a gay man President. Some gays are so delusional

Most of us DO understand, R425.

We’re just spitballing aimlessly in order to self soothe. And we aren’t the only ones doing so, trust.

Bob Casey. Pennsylvania.

Newsom is incandescent

A woman won’t beat Trump. A gay man won’t beat Trump. A POC won’t beat Trump besides Obama and he isn’t eligible. That’s a fact.

They need a white straight man who can win people over.

Biden was asked after how he thought he did at the debate, and he said that he was really looking forward to it.

Alternate Universe Joe, to any and all questions tonight:

"I could cite facts, figures, and statistics about the accomplishments of my Administration, but I know you and Mr. Trump can look them all up. You want to know, deserve to know, what Mr. Trump and I plan to help you, especially the Middle Class.

I plan to lower even more prescription medication prices through the Biden bill we passed. I plan to keep improving your roads, highways, and bridges through my Infrastructure bill. I plan to forgive more crushing student-loan debt, through my directive.

I plan to keep defending the peace of post-World War 2 Europe, the peace that our Greatest Generation fought so valiantly to win back from the Nazis, to remain in NATO, and to aid the brave Ukrainians in the war with the invading Russians.

I plan to support Israel in its fight against terrorism, because terrorism is the scourge of the Free World. But I will also work with the legitimate leadership of the Palestinians to effect a peaceful resolution to their plight.

Yes, I plan to raise taxes, but here's the part you need to hear clearly: Only on Americans making $400,000 a year or more. Now, that might be some of you listening tonight. If so, I'm counting on you to see the fairness of this proposal.

Am I old? Well, 81 isn't young! My opponent is 78, not young either. We are both experienced Presidents now.

We have records to compare.

I'm hoping you do. Don't take our words for it."

True, r434. There's this very odd love of despair in the Democratic Party. it's a stupid indulgence and people should stop indulging themselves in it.

President Biden is a good man, excellent president and someone I trust. It pains me to say that he came across as old and unhealthy at the debate. That matters to people.

R434, thank you!

R425 you should check twitter. All Biden supporters are breaking down and admitting he failed tonight. Everyone is.

Jake Tapper and Dana Bash are getting slammed on Twitter.

Who is this Asian beeyotch with Gavin, talking about Democratic and Team Joe "panic" and "replacing Biden"??

On what planet was this a so-so performance?

He had one job.

He fucked it.

[quote]Some of you people don't understand how the nomination process works, Biden will only be replaced if he withdraws, he has the nomination locked up, it is his if he wants it. There is no process to force him out.

A party convention, like Congress, can vote to suspend or change the rules and do as they please.

And that's the big difference between Democrats and Republicans r443. Republicans have no problem telling people what matters to them, while Democrats are cringing in a corner hoping the people tell them. Fuck that noise. Get out there, starting tomorrow and tell everyone that they are complete fools and morons if they are thinking of voting for Trump. Ignore and fight, ignore and fight. And that goes for all the sob sisters gathered in this thread.

R445 I didn't say that Biden didn't fail tonight, he did, but many here are acting like it is possible to kick him off the ticket, it isn't. It is a waste of time to consider it.

Biden's strongest moment was when he defended our country after Trump continuously called it a third world hellhole.

R438, I could look at that visage for a long time.

Gavin Newsom no man looks good with a duck tail hair cut. Trim that hair above your collar.

The Democrats are fucked. If they keep Biden, he will only decline. If they replace Biden, the Republicans will say, “They can’t even make up their minds on who their candidate is, why should anyone think they can run the country?”

[quote]Biden will only be replaced if he withdraws, he has the nomination locked up, it is his if he wants it. There is no process to force him out.

There's an out if the so-called "superdelegates" vote for another candidate:

Automatic delegates are unpledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. Automatic delegates, who are often called superdelegates, are not required to pledge their support to any presidential candidate. Automatic delegates include members of the Democratic National Committee, Democratic members of Congress, Democratic governors, or distinguished party leaders, including former presidents and vice presidents. They are free to support any presidential candidate of their choosing.

Even CNN is losing it after this.

But Gavin's voice is AWFUL!

Thank you for your despair r456. Now fuck off, you silly twat.

Joe has to step aside. He did so poorly that Trump will likely skip the second debate.

"the person that will benefit the most from this is Biden...I wouldn't have said that prior to this debate performance." -r418, you're way off with this. Even papers that routinely call Trump a threat to democracy are really going hard on Biden. This looks terrible for him.

Unless Biden withdraws, he is the nominee.Can you imagine a convention where his supporters refuse to nominate him saying he’s unfit. Yikes.

The GOP should pull Trump and replace with Adam Kinzinger. That way if the GOP wins, it wouldn't hurt as much. He hates MAGA.

Jimmy Carter is trending. Is it being suggested that it would be better to nominate him since he would appear more fit than Biden?

Isn't there any other drug Dr. Jill could prescribe to Joe as a pick me up?

I would like to know who coached Joe for tonight

R457 the panel on MSNBC just discussed this, they said it isn't happening, Now maybe Biden could be convinced to withdraw, but I doubt it, but he is not being replaced against his will. A fight to force him out will surely hand the election to Trump.

I could so get behind Andrew Yang.

R464 Trump is Republican’s best bet to win. No one else has his numbers

Have yall seen these MAGA folks? Half are on meth, the other half wants to blame others for their own decisions. Biden did as well he could. Don't let Russian bots overtake your thought processes. Trump and his kind lie like crazy, we gotta do the same in our loyalty to our guy.

[quote] I could so get behind Andrew Yang.

well that would give him one vote.

Harris joining CNN momentarily

I thought Trump sounded like a mental patient the entire debate. His schtick is boring as fuck. And all he does is repeat the same bullshit talking points. How can anyone take that seriously?

Thanks, R455. And so relevant.

[quote] Whitmer is just to freaky. She looks like she kills dalmatians and makes fur coats out of them. Then she has so much covid shit that will turn her into a laughing stock,

Whitmer has sociopathic eyes and probably is a sociopath. But, she was likely trained and taught to be charmer and to do some good things. Her father was CEO of BlueCross BlueShield of Michgan and he may have taught his daughter how to appear normal and that could explain the weird accent Whitmer speaks with. There are probably plenty of sociopaths in politics, but some are less dangerous than the others.

Every liberal media outlet is saying Biden failed and panicking. Every conservative media outlet is celebrating because Biden flopped so bad. For once both parties are on the same page, Biden failed.

R464, Get up to speed. Adam has said he is voting for Biden. No lie.

Does anyone have access to Fox News? What are those cunts saying about the debate?

R476, is Whitmer a sociopath or is Dump, huh, cunt?

R476 Gretchen Whitmer has a Michigan accent. It's not that weird to people who live there.

r471, the NYT, the BBC, the Guardian are not all Russian bots. And they're all reporting the same thing. I'm not saying "It's over. Trump wins.", but jesus with your comment...

R450 Have you listened to Newsom or Whitmer speak at all? Forceful, direct, on target. Democrats can win these "form" arguments.

I'll just keep telling people the same thing I told them four years ago. You can't vote for Trump because he'll get us all killed.

[quote]MSNBC is freaking out.

Fox is piling on I am sure.

I was on the road and listened to it on the radio, and I thought Biden did well. I don't understand why MSNBC is freaking out.

I was molested.

Newsom makes me feel better. He's right, calm the fuck down people, everyone has bad days.

Okay, fine; Joe Biden lost the vitality contest with an insane liar.

NOW WHAT, VOTING AMERICA?

You're going to vote for a man whose plan comprises only REVENGE and RETRIBUTION?

If Obama, Harris and the Clintons approach Biden and ask him to step down, then I don't see how Biden can remain the nominee.

Calm down--oh, okay, R490. If Newsom says.

R488 see R485

The short answer is along the lines of nervous nellies wanted to be appeased...and he didn't

Obama had a horrible debate against Romney, everyone freaked out.

Obama destroyed Romney

R490 I am coming around to a similar conclusion: i.e. ok, Biden IS old, he looked old, now what do we need to do to win this election?

That will happen, R492?

I’m curious about Biden has a cold report.

Could it be that he took an Alka-Seltzer Plus or some other cold medicine right beforehand?

Those cold medications that stop a runny nose can raise hell with you.

Trump lied like crazy as usual. OMG, if you were buying a used car you'd punch this weirdo... Moderates tuned in and saw that he showed no remorse for his criminal indictments. But no. Same small narcissist man with a teenage complex

"Panic" seems to be the word of the night.

Biden isn’t there mentally and it’s obvious. He’s a mess. Dems need to accept this.

No one here stopped to think why the debate happened in June? They did it earlier this year with new rules. Stop and think why…

R495, that's not what this is.

Joe Blew It

Biden has the problem of being 81 years old.

Whitmer shakes her had and sound like cousin Jeri from the facts of life..

R500 because they are all panicking. He did a TERRIBLE job

Psst....Trump is a convicted felon

R495 so you think this changed anyone who was planning on voting for Biden or changed anyone undecided?

Can someone translate for R505?

Trump runs away with the betting market ! BETTING MARKET NOW OWNED BY TRUMP

Screenshots taken from the political betting site PredictIt right before the debate indicated that the price of a “share” predicting that Trump would retake the presidency was 53 cents and the price of a Biden “share” was 48 cents, suggesting that the market only slightly favored the former. (A share cashes out at $1.00 if the candidate wins the election.)

But now Trump’s shares have shot up to 61 cents as of 10:10 p.m. ET, while Biden’s have plummeted to 38 cents.

Psst, R507--it's a stupid country.

Most Americans think as far as president goes - no country for old men. No one's listening.

R480 It's possible for Whitmer and Trump to both be sociopaths, but one is a lesser evil.

Biden lost it before it even started - shuffling in from stage right with his arms slightly held before him and muttering - something - it looked like classic Parkinson’s to me. That plus elder abuse.

Yes, R491, because the US is stupid.

Won’t watch it -feels like watching a plane crash but will tune in tomorrow to see who died,survived or who was torn to shreds..

I listened to some of it on the radio and Biden didn't sound bad. He's boring, and that's the problem with society today: they want shade and weave snatched and oooh, SNAP!! He was the adult in the room.

R495 I’m tired of people bringing up the 2012 debate. Obama fluttered a lot but it was nothing like this. Nothing.

Maria Shriver...

[quote]I love Joe Biden. I know he’s a good man. I know his heart is good. I know he’s dedicated to our country and is surrounded by good people. Tonight was heartbreaking in many ways. This is a big political moment. There’s panic in the Democratic party. It’s going to be a long night.

But both Obama and Romney were considered by the general public to be fit to be President. Despite being the current President, Biden missed that bar a bit tonight. (Note: I agree that Trump's lies would disqualify him as well in a better world, but this isn't about the truth level of what was said tonight.)

[quote] That plus elder abuse.

God, the idiots like R514.

BREAKING: MSNBC Hosts Report ‘Panicked’ Biden Inner Circle Discussing Dropping Out

MSNBC's nerve has cracked

Biden will win. Even trump's Make America Great Again sounds so hollow. I mean, didn't he get a shot at the big chair and he blew it!? Trump is old news. People want stability and not thinking their city is gonna blow up cuz of some white trash with New Money.

[quote] I’m tired of people bringing up the 2012 debate

Go to bed then.

R523 no. Biden won’t. And Dems know it. That’s why they are panicking

Biden will withdraw if he’s told to. Like someone on MSNBC said, he is a puppet being controlled. He even had an earpiece in feeding him what to say.

It was like Kathy Bates yelling into Jessica Lange’s earpiece, “Stay with me, goddammit.”

My partner has Parkinson’s disease.

Joe sounded like him with slurring his words, low voice, and mumbling

A bright note: Trump seemed like a lying politician tonight. Exactly what so many Americans (including MAGA) say they DON'T like. Biden looked bad... but Trump did nothing to add to his position.

R526 1) Biden was incoherent. 2) Biden was saying what folks told him to say. Jeez, I am tired of current politics.

My thoughts are with you and your partner, r528. Hug.

Biden has been a puppet his entire presidency. Many know it. He’s old and fragile. He isn’t making any of these choices. He’s doing what he’s told to do.

He’s also too old for this. He isn’t vital at all.

My partner has OCD with a tranny complex. Sounds just like Trump.

Was any Democrat watching and not cringing in anticipation of Biden’s responses?

Can you imagine Trump picking three more Supreme Court nominees? The whole nation will be teaching the Bible in schools.

Thanks r530

Dr. Mengejill walking him down the steps after the debate was the cat's pajamas.

[quote] Whitmer shakes her had and sound like cousin Jeri from the facts of life

No, it's Haley Stevens who is the Michigan congresswoman who speaks very strangely and acts like she has cerebral palsy like Cousin Jeri.

Jason Blum was over it while watching tonight. Lol. Twitter was insane tonight. Blum gave up halfway through

The only reason they will keep Biden in the running is in hopes he wins still so then Kamala can take over and become our first Madame President by default. She can’t win if she runs organically.

Biden is old school policies. Getting things done for the American ppl. Never flashy. The Federal Government is running smoothly because of him.

Biden is not going to withdraw.

We are fucked.

People are definitely prepared for another 4 years of Trump.

I cannot stand Trump but let’s get this over with. It’s been almost a decade of Trump. I can’t take much more of it.

R542 If Trump is elected again, it is VERY FAR from over in 4 years. Have you not been paying attention?

Speechless here-just hope hate doesn’t win.

I made so many of these.

Biden lied several times.

He said no soldiers were killed on his watch. That’s not true. There were American deaths leaving Afghanistan.

He said the Border Patrol Union endorsed him. The Border Patrol Union immediately issued a statement on X that they do not endorse him.

Plus, why was Biden arguing with Trump about his height and weight and golf game? Who cares?

Articulate and forceful defense by VP

Daniel Dale CNN Fact Checks: Trump 30, Biden: 8

I’d pay good money to watch Newsom debate Dump. Real money. Newsom would DESTROY him.

Crockett is great at this

And how many times did Dump lie, R547?

I honestly think that Jill and his family will convince him to step down. It's clear as day to everyone that he can't do this for another 4 years.

Democrats have several fantastic candidates that can step in right now and defeat Trump. I think Democrats would be completely energized to find another candidate that they can really get behind.

Sooooo many

So, I just realized...No one seems to want Kamala as his replacement out of electability concerns, but the fact she is the VP means that skipping over her would lead to the whole "You'r5e sexist, racist" shit that would tear the Democratic party in two. OK, yeah, I think this moment is more difficult for the Democrats than I realized.

Trump has no family members to greet him. Not even his Eastern European catalog wife. Gosh, give her an extra 200 bucks to escort to the podium

A group of Democrat congressmen were said to now be discussing the need for a new presidential nominee after watching the “disaster” unfold, The New York Times reports.

Maybe Kamala will step aside too or want to remain the VP candidate states

She has to know she won’t win the election as the president nomination

Dems need someone young with a strong fluid progressive brand that can work it gurl!

What if we were attacked today. Could our POTUS shuffle swiftly to the situation room?

yes, maybe everybody will step aside and all the sad twats all over this thread will finally get their heart's desire: no Democratic candidate at all.

I don't know why people are so shocked at this. He's not doing anything out of the ordinary. This is what it's like when people get old. This is my parents at this age and my grandparents at this age. I didn't have to convince them to step down as the nominee. Just to stop driving and they couldn't live alone. I don't get the shock. Too many of you were lying to yourselves and screaming cheap, deep, fakes. This is where you eventually end up too. Take a good look.

We know r546, you're a silly cunt and this is what you do. We know.

[quote] Democrats have several fantastic candidates that can step in right now and defeat Trump. I think Democrats would be completely energized to find another candidate that they can really get behind.

It would have be a moderate straight white guy to defeat Trump. People who are posting suggestions for Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, and Gretchen Whitmer are dumb. A gay man wouldn't be defeat and neither would a woman.

[quote] The New York Times reports.

Also breaking news: water is wet

R560, our former prez Dump could barely shuffle down a ramp. Fuck outta here, cunt.

R388:/Torta is that really you?

Where have you been?

They would keep Kamala in the VP position and put someone else at the top of the ticket. Everybody knows that she can't beat Trump.

I love these cunts. Die, everyone just kill yourself. It's all over man, game over, everybody kill yourself, it's done!

Oh, shit, I am cracking up at the crazed and stupid despair of the sad cunts all over this thread. You make me laugh, so much. thanks for that.

And yet, r562, I have a 93-year-old relative that is way more alert than this. Way more. She walks every day and can debate politics as well as she could 20 years ago. It's what usually happens at a certain point if something doesn't take you out first, you're right, but the age it can happen at varies dramatically.

[quote] Trump speaks lies proudly.

Proudly of what, R3? Being a felon?

Kamala was solid on MSNBC just now. A pleasant surprise.

She wasn’t in that clip with Anderson

And if Biden were more energetic than everyone would say he was on drugs - and no one in the media would counter this.

No matter what he does, he can’t win.

It’s not like Trump - who likely is drugged up - can run a marathon or something. He can’t even hold a glass of water with one hand and is often unsteady on his feet. It’s easy for him to talk a total stream of uninterrupted bullshit - and everybody thinks this is impressive?

Ultimately, you get the leadership you deserve.

When Trump was POTUS I didn't feel safe one day of his term. I don't want to go back to that.

Democratic source on MsNBC “Biden had one job to do tonight, and he didn’t do it”

But did anything happen to you while he was president? Just you being nuts.

Gretchen Whitmer just won re-election two years ago by a bigger margin than the first time she was elected. She is the popular governor of a must-win state. The person who keeps trying to trash her chances doesn't know what he's talking about. Republicans are terrified of her.

R568 you don’t know how it works, huh? If Biden wins again and something happens to him, Kamala takes over.

R580 that’s different. That job is for a state. Not for the whole country. A woman isn’t winning. That’s reality.

R581, I know that, ding dong! I'm talking about if Biden steps down before the convention.

[quote] And yet, [R562], I ha 93 year-old relative that is way more alert than this. Way more. She walks every day and can debate politics as well as she could 20 years ago. It's what usually happens at a certain point if something doesn't take you out first, you're right, but the age it can happen at varies dramatically.

My grandmother was very alert and sharp up into her late 80s. Shortly before 90th birthday, she started to decline and was diagnosed with dementia. She died six years later. In the year before my grandmother's death, a close friend's father was diagnosed with dementia at 59 and my friend moved into his parents' house to help care for his father. . My friend's fathe had other health issues and died two years later.

Former Senator Claire McCaskill is stating hard facts!

Honestly, Vice President Kamala Harris would be a better candidate but unfortunately, the majority of white Americans, and some Americans of color, including some of you DL ass whipes, would not vote for her.

A stroll down the road is not being president. Joe would have zero difficulty with the activities you describe your relatives doing. You are making a false equivalency.

‘You Can’t Come Back From That’:

CNN’s Chris Wallace Declares That Biden ‘Wasn’t Capable of Doing Any Better’

And that's after a WEEK of prep and doctors.

So Biden did so poorly and Trump so well, that the large segment of the population who've already decided who they would vote for before the debate are going to suddenly change the candidate they are supporting and the entire race is now a foregone conclusion. Trump just won the election tonight and nothing can stop his landslide victory in November. Tonight was THAT consequential. Does that really make any sense or should we calm the fuck down with the apocalyptic predictions?

It's elder abuse!!!

r586, I wasn't making an equivalency, exactly. I was making a point that the mind goes at vastly different times. And yes, Biden would struggle debating the way this relative does. I can tell that from the way Biden performs on a regular basis. (And I only mentioned one relative, singular.) But yes, the Presidency is more demanding than a stroll down the road. But not the point.

R579 I hear you loud and clear, Boris.

The fact is that it's still a toss up. This might change 1% of independents going for Trump but that fact is that it is not a huge game changer.

I like Gretchen Whitmer and I respected her after she revealed in the recent NYT interview that she was a wild rebellious teenager and she didn't become ambitious until she went to law school. Not many people own up to their screw ups of their youth. That said, she wouldn't be able to defeat Trump in a presidential race.

Keep calling people Boris. it's been so productive.

[quote] Does that really make any sense or should we calm the fuck down with the apocalyptic predictions?

the problem is that he was already losing before this "debate." If he can't will a war of words with the king of unhinged word salads then he needs to get out of the way.

Go ahead with the apocalyptic predictions. It's safe since Datalounge predictions never come true.

Where's the "Mighty Joe Biden" thread maker now?

For those of you who think Newsom, think again. His record in California is dismal. People are leaving California faster than they left the Titanic.

R592 even liberal media polls show Trump has been leading Biden for a while now. This may push Trump a little further in the lead

R598 only an idiot thinks Newsom has a chance. He’s been blamed for California falling apart for years now. Most of the country won’t vote for him

Of course Biden would be a better choice than Trump. That's a given. But after tonight, we can no longer ignore the fact that Biden should retire and let a younger and more able candidate take his place. It's the right thing for the country at this critical moment in our history.....and it's the right thing for Biden.

Trump was right in that when Putin and Iran and China and North Korea see Biden in this mental state, they’re likely to see a weakened USA.

Newsom is too smug and condescending.

So, tonight demonstrated that Trump CAN keep quiet and stick to rules when he needs to. Doesn't that ability to control himself make him an even bigger asshole than before? (Not saying how it will be viewed by the public, just commenting. )

So. Only ONE topic, ONE story, ONE "take-away" from tonight. So it appears. "PANIC!"

Not any of Trump's lies. Or his golf posturings.

Trump could even have spoken all about those sharks and sinking electric boats and waterless showers and loser soldiers and jobs for "the Blacks" (oh, wait....), and NONE OF IT WOULD BE MENTIONED.

Just ONE story, people. If there's a Debate #2 and Joe is and sounds more alert, it won't matter. Trump has conditioned voters to think "drugs."

Moreover, though Dana said "former President Trump," Jake Tapper kept using "President Trump," as though he, Trump, were the Incumbent.

Have Snoop, Amy or Lena commented?

And they see Trump as a weak puppet whom they can control R603.

R600, All the GOP would need to do is show photos of San Francisco.