OFFICIAL First Biden-Trump Debate Thread

Anyone else, like me, too nervous to watch live? I sat out the 2020 debates, too.

I’m watching the highlights and post-debate discussion on MSNBC. I can’t stomach looking at that fat orange POS for more than a minute.

That, for sure, R2, and I’m too apprehensive about how Biden will perform.

r3, I can’t imagine Biden doing worse than Mango Mussolini.

Will Trump have the woman Bill Clinton allegedly sexually assaulted arrayed in the spin room?

I will be on my run at the time and will join you post festum. I do not have the nerves to watch it live.

What will Trump say? "I built a wall on the U.S. border- and made Mexico pay for it. I replaced the hawrubble Obamacare with the incredible Trumpcare. I brought industry- and jobs- back to America. I created fabulous trade deals with Jinah. I eliminated ISIS. I ended the American carnage and united the country. And I made Covid go awaayy"?

He doesn't have to say anything, people are still creaming themselves over his big fat tax cut and are annoyed by Biden's inflation.

No OP.

The decisive point in the election was Trump’s conviction for 34 felonies.

It was decisive because it helped him.

Trump leads among all metrics in yesterday’s Times Siena. He is headed for a blowout victory. Nothing can be done now. This is what Joe Biden’s legacy will be. America’s Neville Chamberlain.

Nothing can be done.

No one will save you.

No one.

Will.

Save.

Us.

TROLLS R US apparently. 😱🤮💩

Datalounge said that Trump will back out.

If Trump had Bill Clinton-like poll leads over Dole, there would be something to saying the election had already been won, but he doesn’t. And so it’s ridiculously premature to be writing the history of this election.

I'm ready to watch. I know President Biden will be prepared. I'm planning on donating to his campaign during/after as a show of support.

I hope Trump bombs worse than he did at the Libertarian convention.

I was molested.

R12 you can type as many emojis as your little autistic fingers can find.

Under a second Trump term, Thomas and Alito will certainly retire, and Trump will replace them with people who are even worse.

This could mean an extreme far right Supreme Court for fifty years.

This is what Joe Biden has done. He knew he was unlikely to be reelected. He did not care.

Also R14. Honestly, go to hell. Seriously. It is almost July. A little over four months are left.

Biden supporters will keep moving the finish line until election day and then they will blame everyone else for failing to warn them.

You were told exactly what would happen. You did not care. Go to hell.

Actually I’m sorry, I take that back. You don’t need to go to hell.

Hell will continue to us.

We are at this point in the movie now.

“Come with us quietly, Rosemary. Don’t make a scene.”

Keep digging, babe, Biden's gots this.

R19 = Roman Castavet

Looks like a little agitator had a bad night's sleep!

I won't watch because I avoid absorption of neurotoxins, but I look forward to seeing what you bitches have to say.

R21 = Dr. Saperstein

This is a good movie by the way. Maybe the best horror film of the 20th century.

I’ll watch my Blu Ray tonight.

To make my mind at ease.

I'll be recording it and will have to read these threads later. It definitely has train-wreck potential. However, since there are no audiences, Trump may not go off the rails as he's known to do at one of his rallies. Also, turning off the microphones won't deter Trump from badgering Biden, it'll just keep us from hearing him. So, that plan may backfire, though I've read that Trump admits that wasn't a good tactic last time.

If the Joe that was at the SOTU shows up, he will do well.

You know,.I've never gotten around seeing it, r23? It may be time.

DEBBIE DOWNER and MARY WORRYWART are very concerned.

R25 of course you haven’t.

But watching Rosemary’s Baby for the first time is a thrill

It’s about many things. An abusive marriage to a malignant narcissist. Post-Kennedy assassination paranoia.

But it is also about an older generation, who present themselves as genial friendly people who want to take care of you, who are in fact selling you to the Devil. Pay attention to that one.

[quote] Also [R14]. Honestly, go to hell. Seriously. It is almost July. A little over four months are left.

The Quinnipiac poll is of REGISTERED voters. And we know that Biden polls much better among likely voters. Also, critically, he's close or ahead - even among the larger pool of registered voters - in the dispositive big three Rust Belt States. He's behind, by three points, among this expanded cohort in Michigan, my home state. And he's not going to lose Michigan.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, r28.

I will never believe polls after 2016

This must be R17's first rodeo. Thinking that a close general election is over on June 27th.

R14 I have a question

Are you stupid

Or evil

It's one of the two. I'll be generous, you can take your pick. Stupid or evil.

[quote]The Quinnipiac poll is of REGISTERED voters. And we know that Biden polls much better among likely voters.

[bold]The poll I linked to, from yesterday, from the top ranked polling firm, has Trump leading by FOUR among LIKELY VOTERS. He leads with SIX among registered voters.[/bold]

These are the kind of people who are asking us to just have a little more faaaaaaith. They can't even bother to read a few goddamn lines of information

R31 = Lara Louise.

Dump will be medicated to give him the right amount of pep and restraint - particularly restraint so he doesn’t go off script - and he’ll be heavily prompted. I don’t think you’ll see the word salads he typically serves up, but you’ll still hear the Republican soundbites and dog whistles, aka lies.

[quote] [R14] I have a question Are you stupid Or evil ... The poll I linked to, from yesterday, from the top ranked polling firm, has Trump leading by FOUR among LIKELY VOTERS.

Ahem.

[quote] As President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump prepare to face off in the first presidential debate of the 2024 election cycle, Trump has a slight lead over Biden 49 - 45 percent in a head-to-head matchup, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

I'll shelter behind tough DLers who are taking one for the team by watching in real time and posting here.

I'm too nervous to watch it myself. It'll be on, but muted.

If the posts indicate an all clear and Biden is doing fine, I'll peak at my TV and maybe even put the volume on.

R35 so you are stupid.

The poll I provided was the top ranked pollster Times/Sienna. The poll you are talking about is from the #19 ranked Quinnipiac.

You keep reiterating the data from a poll I am not referencing and which does not have a very good ranking.

Therefore, you are stupid.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to provide the cross tabs because R35 is too stupid to understand how to read a graph.

This thread will be great for laughs AND for blocking trolls.

See you tonight, bitches!

Weak as water. WEAK AS WATER, many of you!!!

Why so many concerns about President Biden? You don't believe in your guy?

I will watch it live. I'm very confident that President Biden will WHUP Trump's ass!!! Very Confident? No. I'm sure.

Hopefully, this "entertainment spectacle" will put an end to Trump and/or send him to the Republican Convention in such a weakened state that they won't even want him.

R39 = autistic, blocks people he disagrees with and tells everybody to do the same because he cannot tolerate dissent.

Also starts soap threads.

In my Scarlett: O’Hara voice: Fiddle-dee-dee! Polls, polls, polls; this polls talk's spoiling all the fun at every party this summer.

[quote]Why so many concerns about President Biden? You don't believe in your guy?

R40 Correct... did you not understand this? How many times do people have to tell you?

[quote] Those results are notably different than the new national polling average released by The New York Times this week, which shows Mr. Trump leading Mr. Biden by about one percentage point. It is difficult to determine whether such results, known in the polling industry as an outlier, reflect a change in public opinion not yet seen by other pollsters or are produced by random error.

Again R44 you are insanely, legitimately stupid.

You are referencing a POLLING AVERAGE. A Polling Average means they take all the polls, high and low ranked, and average them together. That will produce a much different result than an individual high ranked pollster.

r41 / r44 is, not surprisingly, the biggest troll on this thread.

Block her and be done with it r45.

[quote] You are referencing a POLLING AVERAGE.

Polling averages were thoroughly discredited in '22. Please try to keep up.

R46 again I have to reiterate, you are really fucking stupid.

I am R45.

R48 is delusional, too. R48 is NOT R44.

The fact of the matter is that we are about to have an election where an incumbent is going up against an incumbent once removed. That unprecedented situation should tell you that the polls can't quite capture the actual state of the race as they normally would.

And by the way, thanks to Trump screeching about rigged elections for almost a decade now, both Google's and Microsoft's AI chatbots have been intentionally hobbled by the developers to such an extent, they now even refuse to answer how many American presidents there have been, in fear of coming across too political. Totally fucking normal times we're living in.

[quote]I'll peak at my TV

Oh, dear, R36! Will there be snow at the top?

Oh that's right I'm not R44. My bad. I was R41 and R45.

R44 was the idiot who doesn't know what a polling average is.

[quote] [R44] was the idiot who doesn't know what a polling average is.

Oh, I know what a polling average ... and how discredited they have become, e.g., inclusion of inferior pollsters, outlier polls.

I thought I had blocked most of the trolls, but, alas, they keep popping up. So enjoy talking amongst yourselves.

[quote]Oh, I know what a polling average ... and how discredited they have become, e.g., inclusion of inferior pollsters, outlier polls.

Then you are demolishing your own argument.

[bold]The Times Siena Poll from yesterday was not a polling average. It was a specific individual poll. Poll TSJUN26 I'll call it because you need concrete examples apparently.

The quote you selected from the article I provided specifically says, "those results" - (TSJUN26) - "are notably different than the new national polling average released by The New York Times this week, which shows Mr. Trump leading Mr. Biden by about one percentage point."

The results of the most recent poll from the highest rated pollster - the TSJUN26 poll - are more unfavorable to Biden than the polling average provided by the Times.[/bold]

I thought autistic people were supposed to be good with statistics.

Trump's drug accusations originated from the observation that Biden starts out strong in speeches and pressers, but by the end he is fumbling words and stuttering in a much quieter voice.

I *heart* you r40.

- r36

I do have confidence in Biden. The Mariana Trench couldn’t contain my disgust of Trump and Trumpers.

But this whole ridiculous debate thing indicates uncomfortable, upsetting viewing, and there’s not one thing I can do about that.

My deepest gratitude to you.

President Biden's SOTU kicked ass. Major ass kicking, minimal stuttering. I'm thinking we'll see a part II of that from him.

Oh for goodness sake, Biden might be caffeinated, but no amount of drugs will help someone remember shit or improve their analytical capabilities. But drugs will definitely exacerbate the crazy—for example, calling Al Capone and Hannibal Lechter great, or going on and on about sharks.

My feeling is there will be careful dosing re Dump.

If I was Biden I wouldn't even mention the 34 felonies. It's the pink elephant already in the room, and Turd will probably mention it himself anyway ("The Biden Justice Dept.'s illegal witch hoax"). To say it out loud would just be a cheap shot. A grin or side-eye would be more effective.

We’re on vacation in France. Torn between waking early to watch live or waking up to the headlines. Both are equally anxiety producing. I hate hate hate what that psycho has done to our collective mental health.

I see the Aspie troll is off her meds again, all over this thread, and insisting that Trump will win in a landslide. We fools are in la la land for thinking Biden even has a chance.

r64 I just don't understand why he's so rabid about it. Even if I accepted his claim that Trump has already won the election, what am I then supposed to do with that information?

His hair looks grotesque here.

[quote]Tonight’s debate could be Trump’s last act

Here's hoping he suffers a massive heart attack mid-debate.

Dump a 🪣 of 🐖 blood on his head tonight!

[quote] We fools are in la la land for thinking Biden even has a chance

Oh, you finally got it!

I think lack of a studio audience plus lack of stimulants means “low-energy” Trump. Like rallies where he just reads off the teleprompter in a monotone. I’m hoping the post-sundown, 9 pm start time has a deleterious effect.

The reason why “convicted of 34 felonies” doesn’t register with MAGAs is because it was a New York jury. New Yorkers aren’t REAL Americans like Jim Bob and his friends with confederate flag bumper stickers on their pick up trucks. /s in case there’s any doubt.

I don't have the nerves to watch.

And I quit drinking years ago, so I can't get wasted to deal with those nerves.

I guess I'll go for a long walk.

Can’t watch, either.

There are a thousand different things that can happen between now and election day. Either one of these men could drop dead or have a stroke. Russia, China, Israel, Iran and N Korea will all pull some sort of stunts to try and affect the outcome. There will be several fake videos that pop up just before election day. Both candidates will make moves that try and affect the outcome. Polls taken in June/July only tell you what would happen if the election is today, it isn't.

What time is the debate?

Will it be carried on YouTube?

Past my bedtime.

9 Eastern.

r74 9 p.m. EDT. It's on CNN. Will also be airing on PBS News, NBC News, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Newsmax. Not on YouTube, but will be airing on CNN's website as well.

Thanks r76

Thanks r77

Just remember, every derogatory thing Trump says about the Biden administration and Joe Biden himself, will be projection of Trump's own shortcomings.

After all, Trump can only talk about himself.

[quote] The fact of the matter is that we are about to have an election where an incumbent is going up against an incumbent once removed. That unprecedented situation

That “unprecedented” situation like Taft/Roosevelt/Wilson in 1912 and Harrison/Cleveland in 1892?

Optics are not Biden’s friend. He looks and sounds like someone whose batteries are dying. He looks and sounds ancient. This will be Kennedy vs Nixon again. Trump is old but has some energy in him. Joe looks likes he’s ready for the retirement home. We really need to have age limits for the presidency. 81 is too goddamn old to be running the county. Biden said he was only going to run for one term. He lied and it’s going to cost all of us in November.

^ Biden is old. Thanks for the revelation R82.

[quote]Biden said he was only going to run for one term.

Never happened but keeps getting repeated because it suits your narrative.

Trump will throw out one conspiracy theory after another about Biden using his administration to go after him and will definitely trash his son while referring to the Biden Crime Family repeatedly. This is going to get really ugly.

r82 / r84, your concern is duly noted.

[quote] I will watch it live. I'm very confident that President Biden will WHUP Trump's ass!!! Very Confident? No. I'm sure.

I’m happy to see someone be consistent and show they believe what they say. If people say that they are confident that Biden will win the debate, but say they are too nervous to watch, that’s admission that they have just been blowing smoke about what they really believe are Biden’s chances.

[quote] Never happened but keeps getting repeated because it suits your narrative.

It absolutely happened.

Biden said it on tape in 2020 in Philadelphia too.

Sorry r84 -- r86 was meant for r85!

I have some really surprising news for DL that no one has ever heard before. Biden is old.

And he pulled this stunt before.

“Joe Biden and the long history of the one-term-pledge gimmick”

[quote]Optics are not Biden’s friend. He looks and sounds like someone whose batteries are dying.

True.

But he also has the ability to pull himself together and present himself well.

I think the focused "State of the Union" Biden is the one we'll see tonight.

Yeah, well, Biden being old is going to be the reason he’s not elected. All the polls that came out yesterday state that likely voters are concerned about his age.

Biden's State of the Union was not good.

He was one of the rare Presidents not to receive a polling bump from it.

Clinton was young. Young and HORNY. John Edwards was young. Young and HORNY. Gavin dated Gargoyle when he was young, so she has all the dirty details on him...just waiting to spill. Young doesn't work out well for us.

He's old. But he is getting shit done. You don't have to fuck him, just vote for him. He is saving Democracy and your gay asses. Stop whining, oh my God.

[quote] According to four people who regularly talk to Biden, [bold] all of whom asked for anonymity [/bold] to discuss internal campaign matters

hmmm....

[quote] The new owner of Politico, Axel Springer, has a decades-long record of bending journalistic ethics for right-wing causes

[quote]Yeah, well, Biden being old is going to be the reason he’s not elected. All the polls that came out yesterday state that likely voters are concerned about his age.

The reason he's not going to be reelected is because they dislike him. That's the core of it. Biden's approval rating has been fairly steady for the past two years, in the high 30s. He is historically unpopular, the most unpopular president in 70 years.

[quote] He is saving Democracy

How is handing the election to Trump saving democracy?

Please. Enlighten me.

Biden's sister mentioned that he might not run for reelection that one time in 2019, then the Sanders campaign ran with it like it was gospel and it has stuck with the Borises to this day. No public pledge of any kind, that's all a hallucination by our overzealous trolls.

Many people in 2020 did not believe anybody who was 82 years old would run for reelection in 2024. It was taken as common sense that Biden would be a one term President.

Nobody knew he was goddamn Don Quixote.

Do you do anything but troll, r100?

Need I remind my fellow gays bitching about Joe's age--old ass JOE was the one who pushed the namby pamby YOUNG Obama into supporting same sex marriage.

"You love who you love"

R102 even your brother's widow!

Just block the trolls and be done with it.

[quote]Our advice: don't feed the godamned trolls.

[quote]Don't engage them, that's just giving them what they want, which is to watch you get your panties all in a knot.

Trump will come up with sane, coherent, and effective policy prescriptions for national issues.

[quote] “Wouldn’t that be great for the whole world to see?” – Self-proclaimed prophet Hank “Hairpiece” Kunneman, repeating the QAnon claim that President Biden actually died shortly after taking office and has been replaced by a body double.

How can Trump even be allowed to run? He is an insurrectionist and the constitution says he's not allowed.

As others have said, the biggest problem with the age of Joe Biden is the skin of Kamala Harris

Scared to watch and I have plans but I might torture myself with a replay for the full effect. It's alarming to contemplate a debate where person is so chaotic and prone to absurdity and lying. You know, the Hilary op-ed on this topic was good and pretty forceful.

[quote]How can Trump even be allowed to run? He is an insurrectionist and the constitution says he's not allowed.

He's a WHITE MALE.

R110 He looks orange to me.

Meh, constitution says a lot of shit r107

“blah blah blah Biden Crime Family”

“I’d like to remind my opponent that he’s been convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records and violation of election laws, a felony. He’s also been found liable for fraud and he and his organization have been barred from conducting business in NY for three years. He’s also be found liable for sexual assault and defamation of the victim and fined (?) $88 million in those cases. He has other cases pending in Georgia for plotting to overturn election results in that case; in DC for conspiracy to defraud the US and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding; and in Florida for illegally retaining national security documents and obstructing the DOJ investigation. He joins his campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, national security advisor, foreign policy advisor, political consultant and personal lawyer as convicted felons.

Note: doesn’t mention that Eric and Junior were also liable for business fraud in NY case. But Biden should go there if Trump keeps harping on Hunter.

R108 Yep, scary black lady Kamala is a motivation for the Republican racists to vote for Dump.

[quote]I’d like to remind my opponent that he’s been convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records and violation of election laws, a felony.

"I'd like to remind MY opponent that his own Special Counsel decided against bringing criminal charges against him because he would be difficult to convict, describing him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.""

The debate doesn’t start for hours, yet some of you MARYS! have already clutched your pearls to dust.

Chill. Joe will be fine. He’s a professional. He’s done this plenty of times. He knows what he’s doing and how to handle himself and the orange traitor.

I will be at work while it’s on, but the break room TV will be tuned to C-SPAN After Dark. And, of course, I will be checking in here from time to time.

So, R115... You support the overturning of Roe that has now placed millions of women at numerous health risks? You support the overturning of same-sex marriage? You support the banning of contraception and IVF? You support niche grants being denied to groups who otherwise have no other access to capital? You support the banning of books?

“And I’d like to point out that that particular Special Counsel is a Republican”

[quote]Chill. Joe will be fine. He’s a professional. He’s done this plenty of times. He knows what he’s doing and how to handle himself and the orange traitor.

Right on! He will WHUP Trump's ass!!!

Ari Melber @AriMelber 5m

What’s your drink or snack for tonight’s Presidential debate?

I actually think there is something to the suggestion that the US Supreme Court is deliberately holding the immunity decision until tomorrow morning based upon the scheduling of this debate.

Shi'ing bricks over here!

I hope that when Joe finishes mopping up the floor with Trump's fat white, entitled, pompous, blowhard ass tonight, all of the so-called constantly whining "moderate Democrats" (on DL and elsewhere) will finally shut the fuck up about Biden's abilities, and then get out the vote for Biden and the rest of the Democratic party ticket.

Thief Donald Trump and has band of very racketeers, (as well as the Slovenian slut and Heinrich Himmler wannabe Barron) must not be allowed back anywhere near the White House.

R94, Biden's State of the Union put the fear of Truth into the Sedition Caucus.

Biden is an attorney. He is a trained communicator. Trump is a long failed business fraudster who pays people to believe what he babbles.

This is a Biden rodeo as to how he rides the wild beast.

When will the red carpet for the debates start? Will Laverne Cox be hosting this one?

R125, because Laverne is, Black, is trans and represents 2nd class citizenship to racist Republicans?

I wonder what will get under Trump's skin the most and completely throw him off?

Maybe if President Biden somehow says that "big hands doesn't always equate to a big... well, you know what the women you have taken have said..."

or

I know you and the rest of the Republicans have a fascination with my son's naked images (and I'd like to note that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...) but wouldn't it be more productive to do...

or

Your hair looks good tonight...

or

You said that Mexico would pay for that wall.

[quote]Biden's State of the Union put the fear of Truth into the Sedition Caucus.

No, it did not. You just say things and use big words and hope that it makes it true because you think you sound intelligent. You don't. You sound like a dumbass.

Biden was just as unpopular after the SOTU as before, and even more unpopular now.

[quote]Thief Donald Trump and has band of very racketeers, (as well as the Slovenian slut and Heinrich Himmler wannabe Barron) must not be allowed back anywhere near the White House.

Joe Biden has guaranteed it.

He is the equivalent of the EPA official from Ghostbusters.

R128, and you immediately pivoted back to poll. I said that Biden it the fear of Truth in the Sedition Caucus. They have had their hair on fire ever since Biden out maneuvered them on every lever if power they threw. Trump putting the kibosh on Border Security was a huge shot in the foot. We'll see.

Speaking of movie references (I love movie references) R124 in another thread I quoted the Ned Beatty monologue from Network "There is only IBM, and ITT, and AT&T, and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon."

and you replied: "IBM is a shadow of its former self. Dupont has been turned inside out and being spun off into three separate companies as we speak. Dow bought Union Carbide over 20 years ago. It's officially ExxonMobil, since Exxon bought Mobil about 20 years ago. Do try to keep up."

You took me literally and even went through the trouble of researching the companies. You took everything I said extremely literally. You didn't understand I was quoting a movie, even though I had linked to the YouTube clip of the monologue below my post.

I thought the insult you used against Barron Trump was oddly cruel, the boy is known for nothing if having developmental difficulties. And yet you ascribed him the personality of the architect of the Holocaust. (the remark was so vicious I had to see who had made it.)

Now why could that be?

What could you and Barron Trump possibly have in common?

R128, you have the very annoying habit of thinking that each and every utterance out of your huge, gaping piehole is gospel truth.

Fact of the matter is, you know no more or less about politics than anybody else around here, so quit your "I'm smarter than the rest of you" condescension, as well as your didactic, morally superior tone. You sound just like every other Republican blowhard when you post such obviously bogus horseshit.

I wonder if Biden feels the weight of the world on his shoulders? The future of U.S. democracy? He has to avoid stuttering, flubbing every other word, looking disoriented, losing his temper and 'fading' (losing energy, whispering, etc.).

R131, finally the ad hominum and the appeal to authority.

You are a phenomenal AI troll.

And yet wrong. My opinion. Stop debating opinions.

R133, I thought r131 was spot on. And not AI. But your final line looked a lot like AI.

Oh, and R131, calling me a Republican is perfect disinformation. You are a magnificent AI Troll, because you idiocy is perfectly on point for Earth2.

R134, calling me a Republican leads me to believe that you are not a critical reader

Five hours to go.

I'm going to bed now and will see you more courageous souls on the other side. Good luck to Biden!

"The reason he's not going to be reelected is because they dislike him."

There's nothing 'unlikable' about Joe. He's a handsome, accomplished, intelligent man with a sense of humor and a heart. He took on the job of beating Trump when he could be enjoying retirement and fishing on golden pond. And now he's doing it again. He's trying to save this fucking country.

Weak minds are susceptible to propaganda and brainwashing. It was the same with Hillary: the MSM told us over and over and over how unlikable she was, yet she took the popular vote away from the supposedly super-popular Trump. How'd that happen?

[quote] If people say that they are confident that Biden will win the debate, but say they are too nervous to watch, that’s admission that they have just been blowing smoke about what they really believe are Biden’s chances.

Oh come on man, lets face it, Trump will blow almost every answer or just not answer a question he doesn't know and make some wild accusation against Biden and most of his MAGA supporters will love it. If Biden makes just one mistake or even pauses for a couple of seconds all the news media will declare the election over Biden has lost, half of his supporters will believe it, there is a reason to be nervous.

R138 =

R138, you need to find a better way to tether yourself to reality.

MAGA melting down earlier today over Daniel Dale doing a fact check after the debate, and now melting down over the mic situation as well. That and the drug testing crap is a blatant tactic to dismiss the debate as rigged should Trump underperform.

Them's the rules they *agreed* to.

Hold me closer, Tony Danza.

I’m so nervous.

R136, you’re definitely a Repuke and a MAGAT. That takes no critical thinking at all to determine.

Don't care if Biden is hopped up to the gills on ginkgo, as long as he beats that human trash.

Of the first 146 posts, I've blocked 5, 9-11, 17-18, 20, 22-23, 27, 32-33, 37-38, 41, 43, 45, 48, 52, 55, 69, 81, 87, 94, 97-98, 100, 103, 105, 112, 128, 130, and 140-141. Have I missed any pearls of wisdom? I see I failed to block R136.

R147 No one gives a shit.

R136, no matter how many times you repeat, ad nauseam, that I am a MAGAT Republican, it will never be true.

You might want to check in on one of my, I'm the OP, other threads. I have some regrettably BAD AI Trolls.

All they can do is Nuh-uh.

Oh, and 145, I was talking to you.

The rightwing agitprop machine seems to be convinced Trump is going to shit the bed tonight.

Exhibit A:

Shit the bed, throw feces, it's all trump 24/7.

At this rate, we'll need a new thread by the time the debate starts tonight.

I bet he will be so loud that the mics will pick it up anyway. And they won’t be brave enough for soundproof booths at the next debate.

R152 Ha ha at that blonde bimbo seething!

[quote]Shit the bed, throw feces, it's all trump 24/7.

Our democracy is on the line, r153. Sorry if that bores you.

I didn’t get the impression r153 was saying he’s bored.

r155 I think anything Dump does tonight that makes him look boorish will only help Biden.

r157, again not a critical reader in my reply to r151.

I am totally engaged as to what embarrassing thing Trump will do.

r153, et ali

The networks trying to prop that turd up for ratings/clicks need to re-think their strategy: after Biden wins and goes back to doing his job in a competent manner, they get to publicize the fuck out of all of Orange Jesus' many trials. His sentencing. His jailing. And the trials of all of his congressional enablers need to be televised and discused, too.

I will tune in and so will many, many others. To watch and hear about Justice finally finding her mark? Oh, yes. I will watch that every night.

[Quote] The decisive point in the election was Trump’s conviction for 34 felonies.

[Quote] It was decisive because it helped him.

Cuomo and Maher discuss the trila in NY

r154, it is the reason I added MSNBC -Part 59 in anticipation of all the live-streaming.

[Quote] It was decisive because it helped him.

Thanks Defacto — so I guess you were a stealth Hillary supporter when you were baying “LOCK HER UP.”

Ok, r150 (I think I’m addressing the right poster), mea culpa, I definitely lost the thread when I called you a MAGAT. Checking back, I think you responded to a poster that you thought posted an anti-Biden comment. But I think you called out the wrong post number and I went from there. That’s not to blame you, I need to make sure I’m accurate Jen calling something out. In any case, I did a Trolldar and you are definitely not a MAGAT. Having been accused of crap on here too, I admit when I’m wrong.

Many apologies. Now back to bashing Dump.

So many Trumptard trolls! 🤮 How ever did they get in?!?

They've always been here, r166. They'll just be exceptionally noisy for the next several months.

Then they'll go quiet for a while, just popping in to astound us with their "wit".

Will they shake hands?

Joe Biden can spend 90 minutes alternating between napping and drooling and I will still vote for him in November.

[quote]Will they shake hands?

I think no physical contact would be best for both sides.

They’ll just hiss at each other, R168.

[quote]Joe Biden can spend 90 minutes alternating between napping and drooling and I will still vote for him in November.

The problem, dear reader, is that too many people who are not you, will not.

Some of you really struggling to understand this republic concept.

For Christ's sake! Ari Melber is equating this debate to a rap battle...

This is the problem with our politics. WE ARE THE PROBLEM! We want entertainment instead of substance!

Trump hasn't bailed yet so I guess he's going even though he hates not having an audience.

Alright now... Rev. Al just came up with one...

He said that President Biden should sneak in the comment; "Did you have to call your parole officer to get permission to come to Atlanta tonight?"

Mmph... just hurt my feelings...

Former President Trump arrives in Atlanta without Melania Trump by his side.

Since I’m too nervous to watch this debate live, any recommendations for some live online reporting/commentary?

Aaron Rupar on Twitter does good "I watch so you don't have to" coverage of Trump rallies and surrogate interviews on right wing TV and Sunday morning shows. Includes summaries and clips. Acyn does, as well.

r123, AGREE!!!

r130, It is known that Baron was a school bully. He’s on his way to be as shitty as his pieces of shit dad and his brothers.

Looks like Don, Jr.'s scathing, cocaine-fueled wit.

I'm thinking about just listening to the audio, I dislike looking at the bloated buffoon.

HERE, r177.

Why go anywhere else? The DL has all of the scathing, witty commentary the MSM wishes they could get.

R177 is just here for GG threads and prune recipes.

MSNBC has started its "special" coverage

[quote] MSNBC has started its "special" coverage

Like for those in special ed?

By those in special ed, R185.

so how do you watch this thing for real

[quote] Former President Trump arrives in Atlanta without Melania Trump by his side.

MSNBC has started its "special needs" coverage

R40 is Mrs Slocombe

And after 2016, I have zero confidence in polls

[quote] MSNBC has started its "special needs" coverage

🤣😂😭😭😭

If only it was on MSNBC and Joy Reid was the moderator.

If only Nicole Wallace was the moderator.

I'm stress eating.

I just dug into a pint of Ben & Jerry's Strawberry Cheesecake Ice Cream.

I think I'll add Smucker's Hot Fudge.

Apple Martini for me, R194. I usually have one as a night cap but started early.

Cheers, r195.

I don't drink alcohol anymore, so I'll vicariously enjoy yours.

I'm too nervous to watch, plus watching Trump gets my Irish up.

I'll happily read the post event punditry.

NOTWORTHY TONIGHT

Secret Service is making an exception by letting a convicted felon get this close to a sitting President.

Trump tried to kill Biden during the first debate, he had covid and knew he had it. Thankfully they didn't allow a handshake because of covid but that is probably why Trump was constantly talking, attempting to spread it to Biden.

[quote] Trump's final chief of staff, Mark Meadows, revealed that Trump had tested positive for COVID days before the debate with Biden

Will Trump attempt to kill Biden again?

Is it over?

Did Biden win?

Ari Melber should be serviced tonight

Well?

When one candidate can just lie and lie. (Trump) while the other sticks to facts (Biden) it’s hard to win a debate for the truth teller, but Biden did win both debates last time.

Oh yes, the Boris and Svetlana trolls will be here in droves. Ignore them.

I think there was only one debate in 2020, no?

Kamala mopped the floor with Pence and his fly though

R188, it was obvious that the renegotiated prenup excludes public appearances in court or campaign or residence in DC.

Everyone will remember until at least tomorrow where they where this night.

Speak for yourself, toots!

[quote] Oh yes, the Boris and Svetlana trolls will be here in droves. Ignore them.

Better to just block them. Maybe they'll scamper away if they're only talking to each other. Kinda hard to be a troll if they have no audience.

I may be too scared to watch.

I’m watching the whole thing. Biden will win.

[quote]I’m watching the whole thing. Biden will win.

Well, faith is the evidence of things unseen.

I’m not even sure these debates matter much anymore.

Unless Trump or Biden stroke out, most people know who they’re gonna vote for and this debate won’t change their mind.

I can’t remember, but back in 2015 did people think Hillary or Trump won?

That Triumph the insult dog video showed that there are some undecided people.

I'm watching C-SPAN showing video from the Trump/Biden debate 4 years ago and it's incredible how much younger Biden looked then than he does now.

This is and remains the decisive election moment

Are you suggesting Trump has been embalmed, r215?

I'll be on MSNBC with Closed Captioning.

WTF has happened to Laura Trump’s face?

Biden doesn't like talking about abortion, but he needs to HAMMER it.

Undecided voters are in favor of abortion rights by a huge margin.

Biden has really aged but I will vote for any Democrat over Dump.

HOLD ME, DAVID.

I don't know what they've got in these performance enhancers, but I'm feeling pretty jacked up.

Try it yourselves, folks.

See you in a bit

THANKS YOU r222 I dropped my cable so needed a streaming source. Appreciate you!

I love Biden.

You're very welcome, r224.

One has natural BDE one has fake BDE and a well known mushroom nub

[quote]THANKS YOU [R222] I dropped my cable so needed a streaming source. Appreciate you!

You seriously didn't know how to search YouTube? If you just went to the site, it likely would have shown you at least of the several news channels that have a YT stream tonight, without even searching.

OMG is that a drop and go wig that guy has on CNN you tube

I can't believe these MSNBC hosts are so uninformed about the rules of this debate

CNN has said that Jake and Dana will not be controlling the mute button

CNN did a demonstration with two anchors of the mute button, you can the other person if they are talking but not clearly.

Biden at his worst is better than that sociopath Trump at his best. Trump’s new economic plans would ruin our economy and give us hyperinflation. It’s why zero Fortune 500 CEOs support Trump this time.

r228 I just got home and got online, came here first so I didn't have a chance to look around for it yet. They saved me time by posting it here and I appreciate that. Now Go Joe!

CNN Anchors Demonstrate How Cut Mics Will Work at Trump-Biden Debate

Little Phil took part in the mock muting

I don't have the fortitude to watch and now I don't think I can even stomach read the comments here.

I’m going for my walk. Keep me updated, fellas.

Watch CNN's "mute" button not fucking work tonight.

I'm ready, T minus two minutes.

I've got the "Soundscapes" cable channel on, you know, Meditation Muzak.

I'll read the thread while listening to that.

eeeeeeeeeee..........here we go

Please let Dump keel over tonight!

Push his buttons, Joe!

Datalounge said that Trump wouldn’t show. What happened?

Please let Dump shit his pants on live today

DL was wrong Rose. Now shut up and sit down.

Jake looks awful in that vest.

Buck up Joe you look like a corpse. Beat 'em!

r245 I'd prefer a massive stroke.

no handshake

MAGAts whining about how CNN is an unfriendly network for Dump, as if they don't have paid Dump surrogates on their network.

I want to see Trump's head explode.

Uh Oh Joe's voice is weak

Is Joe sick?

I can't stomach more than a few seconds of Dump's hideous, felonious visage.

JFC! Whilst I’m DEFINITELY voting for Biden, BOTH men look like the walking dead.

Biden’s voice started off bad, but is getting better.

Go Biden!

Joe walked out like a very old man.

That's why I'm on CC, r253.

Biden's gonna have to kick it up a little bit

uh-oh

[quote] Jake looks awful in that vest.

Jake from State Farm?

WE ARE FUCKED

OMG I just watched 2 minutes of Biden and I had to turn it off and com here! Hold me Datalounge!

Lies already, of course.

Is Biden having an on-air stroke?!

Well, you can't accuse Joe of memory problems. He's reeling of what he memorized. And its sounds... mechanical and rushed.

Why did they do a split screen when Biden spoke, but now we're just seeing Dump?

everything was rocking good?

[quote]Is Joe sick?

Many of us will look like that if we are fortunate to live to the advanced age of Joe.

Trump seems sedated.

Why is Joe talking a mile a minute? He does sound "jacked up" (I'm not a MAGAt -- calm down!)

My stomach is in knots worried Biden is going to screw up. I am turning it off

[quote] Whilst I’m DEFINITELY voting for Biden

From where, England?

Trump claiming he got us OUT OF COVID!

Biden is barely audible. Ugh.

Such a hateful look on Trump's face, get the hook!

Bitch, we wouldn't have been in this "Covid mess" had you not trashed Obama's pandemic policy!

Do they get water??

These two selfish old men can go fuck themselves. The greater good my ass.

Biden will at least get credit for his mastery of facts. But he sounds like a dying grandpa.

Did Biden wear out his voice practicing for this debate?

Trump has no idea how tariffs work

I can't watch anymore, so I am going to trust you bitches in this thread to provide all relevant updates.

uh oh...SLOW GRAMPA showed up at the podium....

I cant do this. I am gettting my passport ready.

Red tie. Blue tie.

Biden’s resembling Gary Oldman as Dracula.

Trump’s looking like the Sahara Desert—all of it.

Trump bought commercial time on CNN during the debate to air his political ads.

Biden's facial expressions are funny.

Grampa needs some Red Bull. Stat!!

Where the English language came from into what is now known the United States of America, R275?

we spurred, that tax spurred. again, no fucking idea about how anything actually works

I love Biden, but every time he looks down at his podium he looks like he’s falling asleep.

Trump is contradicting himself

I’ve never seen Trump so self-controlled. Anyone want to wager when he begins breaking tonight’s set rules?

Trump's been heavily rehearsed.

This is Evil Kennedy and Good Nixon. My head hurts.

Jake is asking good questions. I like this format.

Dump drinking game:

"We are a laughing stock"

"This country is an embarrassment"

"The likes of which you've never seen!"

"I've had the greatest _____ in presidential history"

"Hunter Biden's laptop"

"When you look at..."

Trump may be full of shit, but he's coming off a lot better than Biden.

[quote]Such a hateful look on Trump's face, get the hook!

Diaper malfunction.

Oh gawd. Biden looks like he's about to fall over.

C’mon, Joe, loosen uuup!

Less tax money means more money for the country? Okay, Don.

God how I loathe Dump.

Biden's got no fight left.

Biden keeps clearing his throat.

The US is a 3rd world county now? Really?

OK, he's rocking a bit now.

I miss CNN’s debate “follow-the-bouncing-ball” audience-response up and down animated live graphics.

oh fuck. he froze.

Oh, shit. The first minute or two of Biden weren't good at all. I had to turn away. I'll try to tune in again in about 30 minutes. Hopefully, Biden will have loosened up and warmed up by then. C'mon, Joe, you've got 4 months of intense campaigning ahead of you.

Jake is doing a fine job.

[quote]Trump may be full of shit, but he's coming off a lot better than Biden.

Rattling off the same shit he's been rattling off the last 4 years. Snore.

Fucking car crash.

OK. Joe can't do this.

Exactly, r296. He's promoting top execs NOT paying less in taxes. Not what he means.

UGH.....come on Joe.

MAGA shit.

Well kids, you were here for the end of the US as we knew it.

The irony of Trump talking about Biden destroying social security abd Medicare

Oh, right, Joe/Democrats are gonna destroy Medicare. Lying fat fuck.

Dems need a new nominee asap

Even if the press eviscerates Biden after this, there is a still a long way to the election. Don’t underestimate Trump

They think we're stupid because Dump is even up there.

Biden doesn’t really want to be around any more.

so he thinks the people that "show up" immediately start getting social security. No, you silly bitch, they start paying in. they may never actually get it.

When Trump started talking about Tarrifs being paid by foreign companies, I had to go.

Has someone given Trump a fist full of ritalin and phenobarb?

Oh, let's talk about "criminal" -- you really wanna go there?

R315, my soon to be husband

Biden and Pete ignored economists who said the Infrastructure Bill was too big and going to cause a recession.. And it did. We are spending money for RICH PEOPLE EVs.

WHY ARE THEY SAYING "PRESIDENT TRUMP"???

BOTH men should be addressed as "Mr."

Joe, blink if you're still alive.

Fucking Biden. Thanks for handing over us to be slaughtered.

Everybody? Everybody, you silly whore? Everybody?

economists who said the Infrastructure Bill was too big and going to cause a recession.. And it did.

Oh R333 you liar we are not in a recession fuck off

Trump saying everyone wanted abortion to be decided by the states is not true.

Biden saving democracy.

you gotta follow your heart. If it means a lot of dead pregnant women, well, so be it.

Gavin Newsome. NOW!!!!!!!

You are stupid, r333. We are not nor have been in a recession.

Abortion after birth?!

Biden needs to star poking Trump to make him angry. Maybe ask about the electric boats & sharks…

I'm worried for Joe. He looks like he's going to collapse. And he needs to take a sip of water.

"Taking the life of the baby after birth" is a fucking lie! Call him on it!

OK, horrible answer on abortion.

For the first time I’m thinking Joe is taking the RBG mistake of not leaving when there was time to find a proper replacement.

[quote]Biden and Pete ignored economists who said the Infrastructure Bill was too big and going to cause a recession.. And it did.

Tell us you don't know what a recession is without telling us.

It’s seems the us is set on a collision course and we duck and weave, but bad shit is eventually gonna happen

Grampa Joe whispering isn't exactly reassuring..

R342, it will never happen - he is too progressive. I'm in CA and not a fan either.

Joe, that was inept. needed a much tighter answer there, not one about someone killed by a migrant.

Trump flips abortion on immigrants killing women. Joe wake up!

Joe looks confused and rehearsed.

Oh fuck Joe's losing this big time. He should be going back at Trump but he's barely conscious.

Maybe this debate is happening before the nomination conventions for a reason. Biden is not the official nominee yet.

This is not good. WTF

Why doesn’t he hit Trump on this odious infanticide charge?

R351...correct.

I wouldn't care if Biden was mute, I'd still vote for him over Trump.

Why God, why?

Jesus, Joe, show a sign of life, anything!

Joe needed to strut out on that stage with confidence. Instead he shuffled out looking for jello.

Why did Trump have to develop discipline tonight?

What is he fucking talking about?

They've overprepped him. He's not making sense. Fragments of messaging. Jesus. This is Jayne Mansfield territory.

Joe better go on the attack to refute and rebut!

What the fuck meds do they have Biden on?! Those eyes are BLACK!

Dump is behaving himself. I don't have a good feeling about how it's going so far. The low information voters will think Dump is presidential.

[quote]For the first time I’m thinking Joe is taking the RBG mistake of not leaving when there was time to magically find a proper replacement who doesn't exist.

Fixed it for you, r349.

This is visually like watching a Kennedy vs. Nixon Presidential debate, but with each of them as they’d look and sound these 6 decades later.

This is not going well. Joe needs to drop out.

Jesus christ!!! You bitches are stressing me out even more than the actual debate!

If Joe is gonna be a church mouse, he better be a shit talking church mouse.

You know it's bad when Joe is struggling to win the abortion segment

ugggh, no, the answer is not "we are not for late-term abortion." That is not the answer. It happens when it is medically necessary and we are for that without a team of assholes weighing in on whether a woman is close enough to death to get one

"Biden keeps clearing his throat."

I think he has a snack before his speeches. Bad idea. Singers know this. It can make your throat full of saliva and phlegm, and meje you more tired. He shoukd just have a tall cold glass of Mt. Dew with lots of ice.

It's so insulting to see this hatemonging piece of shit in a presidential debate.

I didn't even last ten minutes watching but I do thank the person upthread who provided the CNN link.

I need ice cream or cookies or cake or all three.

So far a Democratic dumpster fire.

And for 51 years, "ripping the baby out at 9 months/killing it after birth" has never been a thing!

Raspy vs Rapey.

I need Jake.

Trump goes low with a senility blow. Wake up Joe!

He did NOT sound like this during the State of the Union address. So what gives?

Agree, R373.

He looks and sounds tired. His stumbles will look like he's confused.

It's not that Trump is any good, but Biden is so bad.

This debate is gonna reignite the MAGA fuckers even more

I Trump goes over and hits Biden that might help the debate even out. Come on Joe

Time for Gavin Newsome.

Dump thinks he's Howard Stern.

DURING COVID, yes, people weren't coming over the border

Biden needs to firmly close his mouth when he’s listening to that moron.

We. Are. Fucked.

DId Trump just call Biden Brandon?

I noticed that when Trump came out on stage he didn't even look at President Biden. Everyone else always shook hands before and after.

Well well well. If I wasn’t the very thing I warned you people about. Here I am Mauricing Evans for months to be called a troll and a Russian, repeatedly F&F’ed and mocked for my autism.

[bold]Joe Biden has sold all of you to the Devil. He was Steven Marcato all along. All the people boosting him here all this time - all of them witches.[/bold]

We are now at this point in the movie.

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la

R396, yes.

Joe is showing his age....he is 81. I'm 62 and I want to be in bed at 9:00,

Biden is starting out like Tina Turner. I will be patient.

Yes.

I’m screaming out, “WHY GOD? WHY TONIGHT!?!”

Look at that face!

The Democratic National Committee did this. THEY didn't push Biden aside. We are FUCKED. Look at Joe. WTF? Seriously?

#SleepyJoe is trending. WTF? C'mon Joe you need to get some energy

BREAKING NEWS - there is no second debate.

Close your mouth, Joe!

Biden's blank stare at Trump, mouth partially hung open... this is embarrassing.

Biden spent a fucking WEEK preparing for this? And this is what we get? Hillary knows how this is going to end.

Yeah, stop remembering long rehearsed lines, and fucking react to this asshole.

Biden is nervous, tired, perhaps over-medicated?

Fuck. Maybe people will not remember this in a week or so.

Trump is NOT answering the question.

[quote] Time for Gavin Newsome.

Learn how to spell his name, fucking idiot.

Oh.

And from now on, every post I type will include this.

Could Joe shut his mouth? Literally. He looks like Grandpa wondering how he got here, mouth agape.

I turned it off; I'm hitting my lorazepam.

Fuck Dump is coming off as more lucid even if he is lying his ass off

I thought MAGAs wanted Joe to take a drug test before the debate?

Well, they should have tested for quaaludes and Ativan.

Trump does have passion to lie and sounds convincing to those who are naive.

Obama is going to have to save Joe somehow. Taylor Swift, too.

I can’t believe I’m writing this.

Trump is about to lose it.

Oh, God, the Beaus are starting.

Is Biden on Ambien?

hope so, gotta get Trump actually mad and let people see it

I'm noticing Trump is starting with his OTT bullshit. If Joe can't speak up maybe Trump will do himself in.

You can over rehearse....

Joe doesn't get it. The people tonight want BLOOD. And we don't care if Joe tells great whoppers, too, as long as he looks VIGOROUS AND IN CHARGE.

Alas......

Joe took my advice and called Trump a loser! I'm SO pleased.

yeah, Joe, stop looking amazed at the lies. Laugh at them!

I'm so glad I'm reading this instead of watching. Thank you Datalounge.

Joe needs some Adderall.

Even with the moderators on his side, Biden can't win the debate? Seriously? Why the fuck is he whispering?

The problem is that you never know which Joe Biden will show up. Will it be fiery "State of the Union" Biden? Or will it be sleepy, mumbling Biden? If Biden really wants to win, he needs to be "State of the Union" Biden every day from now to November. I don't think that's possible.

I think Joe is doing splendidly. Never give up, Mr. President.

This is just serving to highlight that electing an eighty-one-year-old US president is downright cruel (although Trump becoming president would be crueller for the rest of us)

Joe just found his mojo. I hope he keeps it.

It's a "made up quote"? Didn't Gen. Milley put that in his book?

For the love of God, bring up his draft-dodging, Joe!

You can be 81 and vigorous. But Biden is not.

Reid Epstein, NYT:

[quote] The split-screen is not kind to Biden. While Trump is speaking, the president is watching, mouth agape, as his eyes dart back and forth. But while Biden speaks, his own voice is clearly hoarse and he is having trouble delivering complete thoughts. If Biden hoped to dispel the age concerns by goading Trump into an early debate, he has not done so in the first 30 minutes.

Well, the moderators and the debate structure are wins.

It's hard to say that there is a winner of this horror show. I think it will be that Trump lost less than Biden did.

Trump just lies & lies & lies, but he exaggerates & brags a lot, too. Will anyone besides his base believe all his bullshit?

This is pretty much a nightmare. How can Trump seem presidential in comparison? Nightmare.

Chasten and Pete will be shopping for luggage tomorrow. Back to Hooterville.

What’s this fiery SOTU speech bs? It wasn’t. It’s the reason he received no bump in the polls. He was barely awake. Stop letting MSNBC rot your brain.

It's all optics. Two different debates. Trump is Trump. Biden isn't doing what he needs to do.

This debate was a huge mistake.

Two words: Josh Shapiro.

MALARKEY! Mary, mother of God.

More Reid Epstein:

[quote] The feedback I’m getting from Democrats early in this debate is not kind to Biden. People — Biden supporters — who have not watched either candidate closely this year are shocked at how much more articulate Trump appears in this debate.

So, is anyone gonna ask about the court cases and the 34 felony convictions?

OMG biden looks hoarse

MALARKEY!

NO, trump does not look Presidential. He looks like the confident narcissistic sociopath he is.

This is late for two 80-yr. olds to be up.

We will never have this bizarro situation again: two people that old vying for President. Never. It's kinda historic.

Put me in, Coach! It's my turn, just like it was Hillary's turn.

Joe looks like he’s one comment away from bursting into tears.

Biden needs to drop out

Trump is just a loudmouthed liar that stupid people believe.

Trump is going to have an even bigger bump in the polls. CNN reported today that Trump blows Biden out of the water in state after state. This is Trump’s election to lose. Joe is toast.

I want to cry. I want to cry. I want to cry.

Chickens have come home to roost.Biden should not have gone with I’ll pick a black female vice President. Harris is not popular. If he’d gone with someone better, he could step down and Dems would have a new leader. Oh well.

Why does Bash have to be so fucking cunty with her "THANK YOU!" cut-offs to Biden?

Atlanta needs a power failure ASAP.

Democrats need to constantly bring up Project 2025.

Trump seriously said some Democrats want to allow abortion after birth? Literally murdering newborns? What the fuck is he on?

Trump's hand gestures are unrelated to anything he says. Just tomahawks and accordions.

Any high-profile Democrats who really care about the future of democracy should call for Biden to drop out.

I bet Jake and Dana are stunned.

They need to replace Kamala on the ticket now. It's our only hope.

I actually think Biden is quite competent he just doesn't have the energy to instill confidence in his abilities. Bad optics.

[quote]Trump is just a loudmouthed liar that stupid people believe.

Yes. Unfortunately, this country is teeming with stupid people.

[quote] Biden should not have gone with I’ll pick a black female vice President.

well, at least you admit your real issue here.

We need ya Joe, we need ya! Call out that lying sack of shit.

Harris is the least of his problems. A problem, but nothing compared to this malarkey.

Joe is fine and anyone with active brain cells don't want the alternative.

Who can we put in his place for the convention? What about Wes Moore, Governor of Maryland?

[quote] Two words: Josh Shapiro.

Can you get any dumber? Shapiro is a failure as is Newsom. They will NEVER be president. Wake the fuck up!

I think Joe’s starting to speak in incomprehensible tongues—all but his own?!

Biden is blowing it.

ICBM attack??

This painful to watch. Oof.

Let’s hope this is forgotten in a week

[quote] well, at least you admit your real issue here.

Identity politics have killed the Democratic Party.

Mallistic Bissile.

Biden took a week to do debate prep, so be grateful that he isn't as bad as he would have been otherwise.

Jan 6?

Felony convictions?

Project 2025?

Have any these topics been raised yet?

Gavin Newsom is there at the venue.

Let him finish the debate.

We are in for 4 YEARS of HELL. Thanks a lot DNC. Hope you're fucking happy. Not another DIME.

And we thought “nucular” was bad from W.

This will not be forgotten in a week. This is cement and it's gonna set.

[quote] He looks like the confident narcissistic sociopath he is.

You forgot -- the American public loves sociopaths. Look at our pop culture -- Scarface, Darth Vader, Batman, Rambo, John Wick, ad nauseum.

R460, Then we will prove the adage of getting the government we deserve.

I would want Americans to rue the day, and I include myself.

How long is this debate?

23 NATO countries are now meeting the 2% of GDP the most ever. even more than when Trump was President

Deer. Plus. Headlights. Equals. Joe.

Meanwhile at Democratic Underground, all is fine. No problems with Joe.

Trump is running all over Biden, who looks ancient, confused and is mixing up his words. This is not to say that Trump is doing great, because he is being his usual blowhard self who lies. But because it's an issue of comparison and because Biden is doing so poorly, the Democrats can't risk putting him forward. The need to stop acting like his age doesn't matter and pretending that he is a good candidate. I hope they switch him out soon before it's too late.

Jonathan Swan, NYT:

[quote] The Biden campaign demanded that the mics be muted tonight because they were worried Trump would relentlessly interrupt as he did in 2020. Turns out there was no need; Trump is sitting back, seeming to enjoy himself. In the weeks ahead of the debate, Trump privately told advisers that he knew he had messed up and turned off voters with his argumentative behavior in the first 2020 debate. Trump’s aides — who were hoping he wouldn’t fall back into the 2020 pattern — are so far delighted at what they’re seeing tonight.

Sorry Harris is a big problem. She’s a bad politician and has no support. She got picked because of race and gender. A young, charismatic VP would help Biden tremendously. Not to mention being ready to take over.

Putin in NATO, uh oh.

I'm going to have a glass of wine to calm myself down. Trump triggers me!

R487, fuck Gavin Newsom. He is the worst.

This is worse than I feared.

Biden looks like I did at my Ph.D. oral exams, one of which I failed.

Poor old guy.

The DNC didn’t pick Biden. Take some fucking responsibility. You did this. You called everyone MAGA and Boris and now you’re having to deal with reality. Deal with it. We warned you. Mighty Joe Biden’s collapse is complete.

Damn it, ask the orange fuck what it feels like to be the first convicted felon running for president!

[quote]I want to cry. I want to cry. I want to cry.

Calm down, this debate isn't gonna change any minds.

Trump is winning this so far. Just saying.

How will Maddow and MSNBC spin this at 10:30 ?

YES, finally a January 6th question.

Trump never answered the question about deporting everyone.

[quote] You can be 81 and vigorous. But Biden is not.

I saw a clip the other day of Elizabeth Warren speaking about abortion at a rally. She sounded vigorous, forceful, and very convincing. And she's 75. I'm not suggesting Warren should be the nominee (she has plenty of baggage and made some big mistakes when she ran in 2020), but she's evidence that you can be really old and still full of energy.

Trump not answering the question again.

The moderators are trying to save Joe. Should have started that 15 minutes ago.

Katie Rogers, NYT:

[quote] Meanwhile, several people in Biden’s orbit have told me different variations of the same thing as this debate continues, which is: This looks very bad.

This is changing minds of Democrats who thought Joe could pull it off.

January 6 question which Trump has totally ignored.

1/6 is brought up and Dump just lies and spouts nonsense about the border, etc.

This is a 90 minute debate. 50 minutes to go. Enjoy.

The reason we were "respected" on January 6th is because we came to our senses and voted him out.

Trump just keeps repeating the word horrible. Kind like like his orange tan.

Trump wanted 10.000 troops to protect his demonstrators not to protect the Capitol.

We wouldn't be in this predicament if he hadn't chosen such a lightweight VP.

Joe looks almost lifelike, but not quite. He's dying up there. Literally.

More Reid Epstein:

[quote] Be prepared for some Biden allies to compare his performance tonight to that of John Fetterman, who months after suffering a stroke had what was widely viewed as a disastrous debate performance in 2022 before cruising to a victory in his Pennsylvania Senate race over Dr. Mehmet Oz, a Trump-backed Republican.

Trump is just babbling nonsense. Fucking pounce Joe.

Billions and billions of dollars came flowing the next day. Just like his lies.

If Biden is our guy, we will lose. FACT.

Joe looks utterly lost.

Trump as commander and chief had nothing to do with it?

The orbits of my eyes are throbbing.

R512, 75 is not 81. There’s a difference.

[quote] Calm down, this debate isn't gonna change any minds.

That's the problem. Biden is slightly behind Trump in all the recent polls, and behind Trump in nearly every swing state. Biden needs to change some minds.

Close your mouth Joe!

oof!!

It's a bloodbath on Twitter.

HE WAS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF -- HE COULD'VE OVERRIDDEN PELOSI (who didn't turn down military intervention because it wasn't her call)

Joe's facial expressions are killing me.

It won’t be forgotten at all.

Here is reality. I am voting Biden. Most of you are too. But make no mistake, the Dems are in free-fall — we are losing the messaging war. It is not a hopeless situation, there is *still* time. But the Dems haven’t been on the field in the messaging game in a looooong time. And Joe’s age is a tangible problem with no easy solution.

If the Dems messaging comes down to fear, which is what they’re doing right now, they will lose. Their message has to project a vision for the future that is overflowing with hope, opportunity, security, prosperity, justice, equality for all. Lay off the trans, lay off student loans, lay off worrying about student protests. The vast majority here are struggling to make it. That’s who you need to talk to, the Have Nots. Then you sell the Haves on the vision of lifting up the bottom of our country will benefit quality of life for all.

Our problem is our message and our messenger.

Four years of HELL. Thanks a lot, Grampa.

[quote]Trump is just babbling nonsense. Fucking pounce Joe.

He can't. Joe has blown it.

[quote] this debate isn't gonna change any min

[quote] We are in for 4 YEARS of HELL

It will be YEARS not just 4. Trump will do irrevocable damage. He will gut any safeguards for the American people and the environment. And the Supreme Court…ugh.

Biden isn't conveying his thoughts well and when you aren't sure what he is saying or can't hear him. he is disregarded.

Trump blaming other people for the riots on HIS WATCH?

Trump is only riffing on right wing greatest hits, but it doesn’t matter. He looks stronger.

Trump is now coming unglued.

R478, Join the "Stupid" Sign crowd. My Governor Shapiro is popular.

Oh, he could call in the National Guard for Portland, but not the Capitol?

Yes! Convicted felon!

More Jonathan Swan:

[quote] Democrats wanted to see Biden assuage voters’ deep and well-documented concerns about his age and fitness for office. His performance tonight — his halting, hoarse voice and occasional struggle to finish his thoughts — is spiking Democratic anxiety.

yea, give it some time, Trump starting to slide.

Is Biden continuously listening to people talking into his ear (either offstage aides, or voices neither he nor we recognize)?

I hate Trump's face. There, I feel better now.

Finally said "Convicted Felon!" Keep it coming, Joe.

Is this debate sponsored by DEPENDS

[quote] Lay off the trans, lay off student loans, lay off worrying about student protests.

People make it sound like Biden talks about nothing but trans and student loans. It is a TINY part of anything that anyone in the Democratic Party has talked about. A tiny part. People sound like Joe Biden starts every speech with a salute to our beloved Trans and our Beloved Queers for Palestine.

Just once, can the many people who have advice for the Democrats make some fucking sense. Just once.

He's just so feeble.

He's going after your kid Joe. GET MAD!

Wonder what the age group of people watching this. I know no one under 50 that’s watches cable news to hear the outcome of this debate.

Zolan Kanno-Youngs, NYT:

[quote] This moment by Biden earlier in the debate struck me as emblematic of his struggles thus far. He had a clear, seemingly prepared rebuttal on abortion rights. “The idea that states are able to do this is a little like saying, we’re going to turn civil rights back to the states,” Biden said, noting each state would have a different approach. But then Biden seemed to meander and mention the funeral of a young woman who was murdered by an immigrant. He appeared to be questioning why Trump pays attention to one issue but not another, but the delivery was mangled.

Got called a felon and he does Cheetolini pose.

Hunter!

You know what would be fun? Doing a control F, find any poster who called people Boris or Svetlana because they criticized Biden, and giving them a nice F&F.

Convicted felon. Trump is losing it.

HE IS NOT "PRESIDENT TRUMP"!!!

STFU with that, Tapper!

Trump keeps swinging. Grampa keeps looking confused. Stop WHISPERING Joe!!

GO LOW JOE!!!

Trump going after Hunter Biden is a BIG MISTAKE. People don't like that.

Trump is not losing it.

I DiD nOtHiNg WronG! - Donald dump

What the fuck happened to Joe's voice?

Did he and Jil have a screaming match or what?

More Katie Rogers:

[quote] And there it is. Biden brings up Trump’s conviction in the context of those who were charged with crimes during the Jan. 6 riot. “The only person on the stage that is a convicted felon is the man I’m looking at right now,” he said. “The idea that those people are patriots? Come on.”

Better, should've said rape, but better.

"His son is a convicted felon at a very high level"; let's see now --

Hunter - 3 felony convictions

Dump - Thirty-fucking-FOUR felony convictions, and counting!

The morals of an alley cat. LOL.

"I did not have sex with that Porn Star".........

Giiiiirl! Biden just said dump has the morals of an alley cat! Hahahahahaha

also, first big mistake by Trump, totally denying he fucked Stormy. Use that, use it Joe.

Well, it will be even more delicious if Turd loses to Joe again. It will be proof that the majority of Americans just don't want him. Anyone but Trump.

“You have the morals of an alley cat!”

I did not have sex with that porn star?

In Joe a DLer???

"I didn't have sex with a porn star" -- then what was she?

I want that phrase in a tshirt!

I've gotta say, I would deny fucking Stormy too.

Biden is doing better, but the press coverage will be all about style & appearance. This just isn’t doing what we need it to. I doubt if it will hurt much either, though. Probably stay about the same.

He just did go low at Trump! I can’t believe “porn star” has now been mentioned in a Presidential debate! (On Datalounge, sure—but maybe a first for these debates!?).

[quote]The morals of an alley cat.

People wanted Biden to go there and he did. Let's see if it does him any good in the polls.

Morals of an alley cat?

I’m giving my democrat cat a HUGE hug when I get home.

Blowup dolls.

I don’t think one debate is gonna tank Biden.

R470, makes their job easier though....and they go out as rockstars

Biden is losing this.

R512, There is a huge, huge difference in abilities between 75 and 81. I'm almost 75, and I can out-Trump Trump in energy and bombast any stray.

The voice still sucks. Over fucking rehearsed. But the actual words are starting to get better.

More Jonathan Swan:

[quote] Biden seems to have gotten under Trump's skin by calling him a convicted felon.

Watch Dump deflect.

I think the Trump campaign gaslighted the media. He's more polished than I expected. Far from perfect, but not as nuts as usual.

We are now at this point in the movie.

Joe bringing up the Charlottesville Nazis is good but Trump is just lying his fat ass off. 🤬

Punch HARDER JOE! It’s making an impact. Dump is starting to slurp back his saliva.

Biden didnt take the Hunter attack bait. Good.

R471 with Amy Klobachar

First impressions are everything. Lots of people tune in to these debates for the first few minutes and then tune out. Biden needed to be vigorous and forceful right from the start. Even if Biden regains his footing during the last half of the debate, the narrative for this debate is already set: Biden looks and sounds tired and weak.

Biden is serving verbal Jumbo Stew.

WHO has debunked it?

What fucking forest???

Trump just keep making up lies.

Why is Trump pursing his lips so much? Like a butt hole.

Part two!!!! Is someone posting it?

"Would you fucking get it together. Do you WANT to lose?"------------JILL talking to Grampa during the commercial break.

Trump keeps doing those vagina lips when Joe talks

Trump is 78, asshat.

Trump finally pissed Biden off. Good! Wake up Joe and give him hell!

Not really R607, he just likes to reiterate certain points. I understand him.

Do we have a new thread?

People always get bored with debates and turn them off.

What they’ll get to hear on loop tomorrow is alley cat, porn star and convicted felon.

Maybe Biden is using the old heavyweight boxing trick of letting the other guy wear himself out, then go in with a body blow and upper cut.

Part 2

More than anything, this debate is going to diminish voter turnout. Nobody is happy.

Melania is at Trump Tower selecting her Inaugural ensemble.

Dump likes to purse his fucking lips like he’s a schoolmarm or a little pouting girl.

Damn, Joe sounds feeble as fuck. Where's the SOTU Joe?!

Oh, for the days of Obama or Bill Clinton...

I guess a big selling point for the "undecideds" to vote for Joe is that he may resign early in his second term (a few folks I know are predicting this).

Part 2

Debate Participants Elderly Bladders Relief Break! ;) I’m beginning to think that between these 2 differently clueless guys, in the end Trump comes across as always seeming nasty and Biden, although senile-like, comes across as well-meaning and kind.

The Scranton City Council should not have been so quick to rename an expressway, an alley and a downtown street after him. An expressway! Maybe the bike path.

Republicans have been stealing elections since the 90s? Because they know demographics now prohibit them from ever winning an honest one. Look at Abbott in Texas and DeSantis in Florida. Neither was actually elected.. That's why it's an open season for corruption.

Closed Thread.